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Changed milestone "DOTS Telemetry draft to WGLC", set state to active from
review, accepting new milestone, resolved as "Done".

Changed milestone "8782-bis draft to WGLC", set state to active from review,
accepting new milestone, resolved as "Done".

Changed milestone "DOTS Multihoming draft to WGLC", set state to active from
review, accepting new milestone.

Changed milestone "DOTS Telemetry Use Cases document to WGLC", set state to
active from review, accepting new milestone.

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Hi Jon,

fixed all, except for (see below):

> Hi Frank and Valery,
> 
> Some comments on the minutes (for clarity)
> 
> DOTS Multihoming
> 
> s/Jon: there isn't too much there, just [list of topics], but yes/Jon: there
> isn't too much there to review, just guidance with a set of examples, but
> yes, this may trigger some more reviews/
> 
> DOTS Q-Block interop report
> 
> s/what (CoAP) method to use for requesting missing blocks - using PUT
> triggered a full response, but should not have./What (CoAP) method to use
> for requesting missing response blocks - e.g. using PUT triggered a full
> response, but should use PUT to request missing  response blocks./
> 
> s/Clarify that GET (NUM==0, Mbit=1) should be treated as a request for the
> entire body./Clarified that GET (NUM==0, Mbit=1) should be treated only as a
> request for the entire body./
> 
> s/ implementation/ implementation/

Sorry, I didn't get what to change here. Can you please clarify?

> s/ telemetry document to talk about it/ telemetry document to encourage its
> use/

Regards,
Valery.

> Regards
> 
> Jon
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Valery Smyslov [mailto: valery@smyslov.net]
> > Sent: 30 July 2021 22:06
> > To: dots@ietf.org
> > Cc: dots-chairs@ietf.org
> > Subject: [Dots] DOTS at IETF111 draft minutes
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > draft minutes for IETF 111 are uploaded to the datatracker:
> >
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/111/materials/minutes-111-dots-02
> >
> > Many thanks to Ben for taking them.
> > Please review and send corrections to chairs.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Frank & Valery.
> >
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Hi,

on the  DOTS session at IETF 111 many people expressed an interest in adopting 
the document draft-bosh-dots-quick-blocks-03 (Distributed Denial-of-Service 
Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel Configuration Attributes for Robust Block Transmission).

This message starts a two weeks adoption call for draft-bosh-dots-quick-blocks-03. 
The call will end on Saturday, August the 21st. Please send your opinion
to the list. It'll be great if you also provide some reasoning for your opinion
and also expressed whether you are going to review the document (in case you are 
on favor of adoption).

Regards,
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The DOTS WG has placed draft-bosh-dots-quick-blocks in state
Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Valery Smyslov)

The document is available at
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Hi All,

As an author, naturally I support this adoption call!

Yes, I have reviewed the document and have also added the functionality into
libcoap in PR https://github.com/obgm/libcoap/pull/611 .

Regards

Jon

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(5.3.1) Please clarify if the entire source-prefix needs to fall within the
responsibility of the DOTS server.

e.g. If the client needs all of 1.2.3.0/24 to be squelched, and this prefix is
split between two domains, can the client send the same request to both
servers, or can it simply replicate the same message to both and expect them to
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Reviewer: Sean Turner
Review result: Ready

Hi! Reviewing this because I got asked. I will note that it appears this
document has already been through IETF LC, SECDIR, and GENART among others.

These two are pretty minor (and look like a secret secdir review):

1. I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis refers to DTLS 1.3 [I-D.ietf-tls-dtls13}. Should
this I-D also refer to DTLS 1.3 [I-D.ietf-tls-dtls13} in s1? Pretty sure
changing the reference isn't going to slow down publication because this I-D
normatively references I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis.

2. Assuming that the answer is yes and you could use (D)TLS1.3 with this
protocol, I think you need to say something about or refer to the early data
concerns (see s7.2 of I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis). You might consider just
expand the 2nd sentence in the 1st para of s8 to also refer to s7.2 or
I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis?



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Hi Sean,

On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 08:47:01PM -0700, Sean Turner via Datatracker wrote:
> Reviewer: Sean Turner
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> 
> Hi! Reviewing this because I got asked. I will note that it appears this
> document has already been through IETF LC, SECDIR, and GENART among others.
> 
> These two are pretty minor (and look like a secret secdir review):
> 
> 1. I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis refers to DTLS 1.3 [I-D.ietf-tls-dtls13}. Should
> this I-D also refer to DTLS 1.3 [I-D.ietf-tls-dtls13} in s1? Pretty sure
> changing the reference isn't going to slow down publication because this I-D
> normatively references I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis.
> 
> 2. Assuming that the answer is yes and you could use (D)TLS1.3 with this
> protocol, I think you need to say something about or refer to the early data
> concerns (see s7.2 of I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis). You might consider just
> expand the 2nd sentence in the 1st para of s8 to also refer to s7.2 or
> I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis?

Thanks for spotting these; they are good questions to ask (it's what I get
for not advancing this document until after DTLS 1.3 got approved).

My first reeaction is that there's not a clear reason to pick one route or
the other, but I could be missing something.  (I agree that changing the
reference is unlikely to slow down publication.)

-Ben


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Hi Martin,

Please see inline.

Regards

Jon

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> 
> (5.3.1) Please clarify if the entire source-prefix needs to fall 
> within the responsibility of the DOTS server.
> 
> e.g. If the client needs all of 1.2.3.0/24 to be squelched, and this 
> prefix is split between two domains, can the client send the same 
> request to both servers, or can it simply replicate the same message 
> to both and expect them to administer the relevant portions?
> 

Jon> Yes, the entire source prefix needs to fall within the 
Jon> responsibility of the DOTS server.  Further into 5.3.1, there is:-

" The Call Home DOTS server MUST check that the 'source-prefix' is
   within the scope of the Call Home DOTS server domain.  
  ....
   Invalid mitigation
   requests are handled as per Section 4.4.1 of
   [I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis]."

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 15:13:04 +0530
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Thanks Sean for the review. Please see inline

On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 09:17, Sean Turner via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org>
wrote:

> Reviewer: Sean Turner
> Review result: Ready
>
> Hi! Reviewing this because I got asked. I will note that it appears this
> document has already been through IETF LC, SECDIR, and GENART among others.
>
> These two are pretty minor (and look like a secret secdir review):
>
> 1. I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis refers to DTLS 1.3 [I-D.ietf-tls-dtls13}.
> Should
> this I-D also refer to DTLS 1.3 [I-D.ietf-tls-dtls13} in s1? Pretty sure
> changing the reference isn't going to slow down publication because this
> I-D
> normatively references I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis.
>

Yes, I will update the draft to refer to DTLS 1.3.


>
> 2. Assuming that the answer is yes and you could use (D)TLS1.3 with this
> protocol, I think you need to say something about or refer to the early
> data
> concerns (see s7.2 of I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis). You might consider just
> expand the 2nd sentence in the 1st para of s8 to also refer to s7.2 or
> I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis ?
>

Sure, I will update the draft to discuss early data.

Cheers,
-Tiru

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks Sean for the review. Please see inline=C2=A0</=
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 Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 09:17, Sean Turner via Datatracker &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:noreply@ietf.org">noreply@ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
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d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Reviewer: Sean Turner<br>
Review result: Ready<br>
<br>
Hi! Reviewing this because I got asked. I will note that it appears this<br=
>
document has already been through IETF LC, SECDIR, and GENART among others.=
<br>
<br>
These two are pretty minor (and look like a secret secdir review):<br>
<br>
1. I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis refers to DTLS 1.3 [I-D.ietf-tls-dtls13}. Shou=
ld<br>
this I-D also refer to DTLS 1.3 [I-D.ietf-tls-dtls13} in s1? Pretty sure<br=
>
changing the reference isn&#39;t going to slow down publication because thi=
s I-D<br>
normatively references I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis.<br></blockquote><div><br>=
</div><div>Yes, I will update the draft to refer to DTLS 1.3.=C2=A0</div><d=
iv>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
2. Assuming that the answer is yes and you could use (D)TLS1.3 with this<br=
>
protocol, I think you need to say something about or refer to the early dat=
a<br>
concerns (see s7.2 of I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis). You might consider just<b=
r>
expand the 2nd sentence in the 1st para of s8 to also refer to s7.2 or<br>
I-D.ietf-dots-rfc8782-bis ?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sure, I wil=
l update the draft to discuss early data.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<=
/div><div>-Tiru</div></div></div>

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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal
   Channel Call Home'
  (draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-14.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Benjamin Kaduk and Roman Danyliw.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home/




Technical Summary

  This document specifies the DOTS signal channel Call Home, which
  enables a DOTS server to initiate a secure connection to a DOTS
  client, and to receive the attack traffic information from the DOTS
  client.  The DOTS server in turn uses the attack traffic information
  to identify the compromised devices launching the outgoing DDoS
  attack and takes appropriate mitigation action(s).

  The DOTS signal channel Call Home is not specific to the home
  networks; the solution targets any deployment which requires to block
  DDoS attack traffic closer to the source(s) of a DDoS attack.

Working Group Summary

   WG support for the adoption was strong.
  The draft was well discussed and has been reviewed by many WG members.

Document Quality

  The document authors are also co-authors of core DOTS documents (signal channel, data channel etc.)
  They have good understanding of DOTS architecture so this document should fit well into that architecture.
  There are at least two implementations of the draft.

   The IANA ports expert did not see sufficient reason to allocate another port for this usage, but the WG
   has found flaws in all alternate proposals raised to date.  It is also noted that NETCONF and RESTCONF
   call home have their own dedicated port numbers, and the situation here is somewhat analogous.

Personnel

  Valery Smyslov (shepherd)
  Benjamin Kaduk (AD)


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Hi,

noone objected the adoption, and some people promised to review it, so the draft is adopted.
Authors, please re-submit it with draft-ietf-dots- name.

Regards,
Valery.

> Hi,
> 
> on the  DOTS session at IETF 111 many people expressed an interest in adopting
> the document draft-bosh-dots-quick-blocks-03 (Distributed Denial-of-Service
> Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel Configuration Attributes for Robust Block Transmission).
> 
> This message starts a two weeks adoption call for draft-bosh-dots-quick-blocks-03.
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel Configuration Attributes for Robust Block Transmission
        Authors         : Mohamed Boucadair
                          Jon Shallow
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dots-robust-blocks-00.txt
	Pages           : 19
	Date            : 2021-08-23

Abstract:
   This document specifies new DOTS signal channel configuration
   parameters that are negotiated between DOTS peers to enable the use
   of Q-Block1 and Q-Block2 Options.  These options enable robust and
   faster transmission rates for large amounts of data with less packet
   interchanges as well as supporting faster recovery should any of the
   blocks get lost in transmission.


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