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A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Liz Flynn, on behalf of the driu working group.


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Working Group Name: DNS Resolver Identification and Use
Area Name: Operations and Management Area
Session Requester: Liz Flynn

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  1.5 Hours
Number of Attendees: 100
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 First Priority:  dnsop,  dprive,  doh, rfcplusplus,  saag,  secdispatch




People who must be present:
  Paul E. Hoffman
  Warren Kumari

Resources Requested:

Special Requests:
  rfcplusplus is also in the conflict list
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Greetings. Even though the discussion here has been less vigorous than I ex=
pected, there is clearly some interest in the topics. I suspect when we get=
 a bunch of people in the room, the mic lines might engender more interest =
in specific topics.

Also, I'm volunteering folks who might not be attending the meeting. If you=
 are interested in preparing a presentation but are not going to be at the =
meeting, getting someone else to present is just fine.

We have 90 minutes. I propose the following, but am totally open to other s=
uggestions. In particular, if someone has a draft or even a partially-forme=
d idea about topics related to DNS resolver identification and use, please =
speak up now so we can give scheduled time instead of open mic time. Some a=
reas I suspect people may have ideas are:
- DNS resolver choice in protocols other than DHCP
- DHCP configuration for protocols other than DNS that have multiple transp=
orts (maybe SMTP?)
- Fallbacks from secure to non-secure where there is no user interface for =
warnings

Intro to the topics: 15 mins (Paul Hoffman)
DHCPv6 Options for private DNS Discovery: 15 mins (Tom Pusateri and Willem =
Toorop)
Levels of security and privacy for different resolver transports: 15 mins (=
Sara Dickinson)
Open mic (remainder of time)

With the current agenda, we are just before the last DNSOP meeting, so we w=
ill hopefully have a good turnout of DNS folks. I hope we also get a good t=
urnout of folks who think about configuration as well.

--Paul Hoffman=


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> On Jun 20, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> =
wrote:
>=20
> Greetings. Even though the discussion here has been less vigorous than =
I expected, there is clearly some interest in the topics. I suspect when =
we get a bunch of people in the room, the mic lines might engender more =
interest in specific topics.
>=20
> Also, I'm volunteering folks who might not be attending the meeting. =
If you are interested in preparing a presentation but are not going to =
be at the meeting, getting someone else to present is just fine.
>=20
> We have 90 minutes. I propose the following, but am totally open to =
other suggestions. In particular, if someone has a draft or even a =
partially-formed idea about topics related to DNS resolver =
identification and use, please speak up now so we can give scheduled =
time instead of open mic time. Some areas I suspect people may have =
ideas are:
> - DNS resolver choice in protocols other than DHCP
> - DHCP configuration for protocols other than DNS that have multiple =
transports (maybe SMTP?)
> - Fallbacks from secure to non-secure where there is no user interface =
for warnings
>=20
> Intro to the topics: 15 mins (Paul Hoffman)
> DHCPv6 Options for private DNS Discovery: 15 mins (Tom Pusateri and =
Willem Toorop)
> Levels of security and privacy for different resolver transports: 15 =
mins (Sara Dickinson)
> Open mic (remainder of time)
>=20
> With the current agenda, we are just before the last DNSOP meeting, so =
we will hopefully have a good turnout of DNS folks. I hope we also get a =
good turnout of folks who think about configuration as well.
>=20

I expect much of the discussion of DHCP to get bogged down in the threat =
analysis of providing secure DNS configuration over DHCP. I think this =
would be better served by creating a separate agenda item for =
discussion. As mentioned before, I have written a threat document here =
but continue to work on it.

=
https://github.com/pusateri/draft-tpwt-dhc-dns-discovery/blob/master/threa=
t.md =
<https://github.com/pusateri/draft-tpwt-dhc-dns-discovery/blob/master/thre=
at.md>

Tom



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class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jun 20, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Paul Hoffman &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:paul.hoffman@icann.org" =
class=3D"">paul.hoffman@icann.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Greetings. Even though the discussion here has been less =
vigorous than I expected, there is clearly some interest in the topics. =
I suspect when we get a bunch of people in the room, the mic lines might =
engender more interest in specific topics.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Also, I'm volunteering folks who might not be attending the =
meeting. If you are interested in preparing a presentation but are not =
going to be at the meeting, getting someone else to present is just =
fine.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">We have 90 minutes. I propose the =
following, but am totally open to other suggestions. In particular, if =
someone has a draft or even a partially-formed idea about topics related =
to DNS resolver identification and use, please speak up now so we can =
give scheduled time instead of open mic time. Some areas I suspect =
people may have ideas are:<br class=3D"">- DNS resolver choice in =
protocols other than DHCP<br class=3D"">- DHCP configuration for =
protocols other than DNS that have multiple transports (maybe SMTP?)<br =
class=3D"">- Fallbacks from secure to non-secure where there is no user =
interface for warnings<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Intro to the topics: =
15 mins (Paul Hoffman)<br class=3D"">DHCPv6 Options for private DNS =
Discovery: 15 mins (Tom Pusateri and Willem Toorop)<br class=3D"">Levels =
of security and privacy for different resolver transports: 15 mins (Sara =
Dickinson)<br class=3D"">Open mic (remainder of time)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">With the current agenda, we are just before the last DNSOP =
meeting, so we will hopefully have a good turnout of DNS folks. I hope =
we also get a good turnout of folks who think about configuration as =
well.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><br =
class=3D""></div><div>I expect much of the discussion of DHCP to get =
bogged down in the threat analysis of providing secure DNS configuration =
over DHCP. I think this would be better served by creating a separate =
agenda item for discussion. As mentioned before, I have written a threat =
document here but continue to work on it.</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><a =
href=3D"https://github.com/pusateri/draft-tpwt-dhc-dns-discovery/blob/mast=
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class=3D"">https://github.com/pusateri/draft-tpwt-dhc-dns-discovery/blob/m=
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On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:18 AM, Tom Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com> wrote:
>=20
> I expect much of the discussion of DHCP to get bogged down in the threat =
analysis of providing secure DNS configuration over DHCP. I think this woul=
d be better served by creating a separate agenda item for discussion. As me=
ntioned before, I have written a threat document here but continue to work =
on it.
>=20
> https://github.com/pusateri/draft-tpwt-dhc-dns-discovery/blob/master/thre=
at.md [github.com]

Does this sound better?
DHCPv6 Options for private DNS Discovery: 15 mins (Tom Pusateri and Willem =
Toorop)
Secure DNS Configuration over DHCP: 15 mins (Tom Pusateri and Willem Toorop=
)

--Paul Hoffman=


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> On Jun 20, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> =
wrote:
>=20
> On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:18 AM, Tom Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> I expect much of the discussion of DHCP to get bogged down in the =
threat analysis of providing secure DNS configuration over DHCP. I think =
this would be better served by creating a separate agenda item for =
discussion. As mentioned before, I have written a threat document here =
but continue to work on it.
>>=20
>> =
https://github.com/pusateri/draft-tpwt-dhc-dns-discovery/blob/master/threa=
t.md [github.com]
>=20
> Does this sound better?
> DHCPv6 Options for private DNS Discovery: 15 mins (Tom Pusateri and =
Willem Toorop)
> Secure DNS Configuration over DHCP: 15 mins (Tom Pusateri and Willem =
Toorop)
>=20
> --Paul Hoffman

Can we reverse the order? I think Ted would argue that we should decide =
if it=E2=80=99s something we want to do before we show how we would do =
it.
=E2=80=98
Tom



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Greetings. Even though the discussion here has been less vigorous than I ex=
pected, there is clearly some interest in the topics. I suspect when we get=
 a bunch of people in the room, the mic lines might engender more interest =
in specific topics.

Also, I'm volunteering folks who might not be attending the meeting. If you=
 are interested in preparing a presentation but are not going to be at the =
meeting, getting someone else to present is just fine.

We have 90 minutes. I propose the following, but am totally open to other s=
uggestions. In particular, if someone has a draft or even a partially-forme=
d idea about topics related to DNS resolver identification and use, please =
speak up now so we can give scheduled time instead of open mic time. Some a=
reas I suspect people may have ideas are:
- DNS resolver choice in protocols other than DHCP
- Fallbacks from secure to non-secure where there is no user interface for =
warnings

Current proposed agenda:

  Intro to the topics: 15 mins (Paul Hoffman)

  Secure DNS Configuration over DHCP: 15 mins (Tom Pusateri and Willem Toor=
op)

  Earlier DHC WG discussion on configuring other protocols (like SMTP) usin=
g DHCP: 10 minutes (Ted Lemon)

  DHCPv6 Options for private DNS Discovery: 15 mins (Tom Pusateri and Wille=
m Toorop)

  Levels of security and privacy for different resolver transports: 15 mins=
 (Sara Dickinson)

  Open mic (remainder of time)

With the current agenda, we are just before the last DNSOP meeting, so we w=
ill hopefully have a good turnout of DNS folks. I hope we also get a good t=
urnout of folks who think about configuration as well.

--Paul Hoffman

