From nobody Mon Aug 20 04:40:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: driu@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: driu@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03515130F5F; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 04:39:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FbEaoy_FdTRE; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 04:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x232.google.com (mail-qt0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62E74130F20; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 04:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x232.google.com with SMTP id d4-v6so15728330qtn.13; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 04:39:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jubMFbzLpk4ErCQy43s6/iS3VddULLnUULx9weIBN7k=; b=sHKuov06ubpkT+vo3TNlBpKqp2MSQEiYPrzeBKdRDINxCMbSEMJFYFJ6bcpdQIDXqg KkNqAtXuvulYhxcoEnpLh5FAWxUnhbhO7fji178LvIc5P0O+3SeKM7t/6cOn6Z1zMtHb 6BxJHvdY3UKmjAhIid3/aQUUv1EihV4qiHMxjoxpkEH9dkWaijQHotl12dtOxilR6zBH AAiPZrWepUdGN1igoAUnRPbjRRC0j7FzWHbie4MopaF4vevXWYX++N+9LLedv4M4Qfp6 e5YkSLJLGUR68A1gdxXRDSxB4NVmalhv7n+0HD5LiCWPBMJ3DGYhCKJ8+eBrOFzGPLgX efzQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jubMFbzLpk4ErCQy43s6/iS3VddULLnUULx9weIBN7k=; b=aWg3T1+QaLcM7CngAAUY+quUKQP9A0Fvvpt0YQ/W9IZ/nqYN2mfjbbaELy9GGmA50a hWIxTlO9B5XhhSXbZ9bveP6zI8QJLqfQ6uloLidjtRB+QqYXcWcBh8jPxukx9rUbwGq1 IN1Y3BMGJDGv8HByf02gcUq8ZWmU4WuhC+1f7KBSt49ta+lac/yOlBmVDpL8D3czg//A zde38rDqEG/o+lonLXB67vIx/gDZ0wpeQU9uyn+v5lIeGCaz6TAA5jnJxx8LiquUzBVU oetqMNT5YYaiy8DLqfURt9HbTlxGVA11Nx8Ic1xmqcFoFc2Py9LfB6G8LVe0H2dKGfFm s5Zw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlH4k9PJg2Nv5VYDgbZmLtbkAcEPt5V20A+TgAm2JtXN3DPRBj6O eQ93Ip73vNuAZEMNwuidDD/iHWYJgd9ECqPxhB5NkA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPwH+i91QyT8vFUwYJ4+qvzm6vtHHoaIfxNTllZtL/BPvPzPAoDeGSQPma+U3EGLWdtuLNgB79mZKFQ7zSKL1XY= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:3759:: with SMTP id p25-v6mr228972qtb.310.1534765192528; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 04:39:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4a845808-5348-d6e4-dda2-59aaf0e85c14@nostrum.com> <3DF5A66C-CCBF-4116-A1FC-35CF8E05808B@hopcount.ca> <82099DED-CCB6-4CDC-BFE6-97B1AB3EB0A4@isc.org> <7A9000F5-0772-49FC-BDBB-862C8141BA54@mnot.net> <23365.25230.573067.921128@gro.dd.org> <23365.25333.904112.575031@gro.dd.org> <1F3A6A86-3520-4AC9-BA2C-0A462F42BB60@mnot.net> <8840E959-EB84-4D60-BB4B-B8D944BF13AF@mnot.net> <10038742-b65c-7d38-0628-315c34555619@time-travellers.org> In-Reply-To: <10038742-b65c-7d38-0628-315c34555619@time-travellers.org> From: Sebastiaan Deckers Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:39:41 +0800 Message-ID: To: shane@time-travellers.org, adam@nostrum.com Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, doh@ietf.org, driu@ietf.org, ietf-http-wg@w3.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001d48fe0573dc5e8e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Driu] [Doh] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tuesday (room change) X-BeenThere: driu@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "DNS Resolver Identification and Use \(DRIU\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:39:56 -0000 --0000000000001d48fe0573dc5e8e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thank you for sharing these notes. > Action: Adam Roach will set up a mailing list. Where? (With apologies for the cross post.) On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 7:43 AM Shane Kerr wrote: > All, > > I took some random notes at the meeting. Apologies for any errors or > misstatements. > > Cheers, > > -- > Shane > _______________________________________________ > Doh mailing list > Doh@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh > --0000000000001d48fe0573dc5e8e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you for sharing these notes.

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> Action: Adam Roach will set up a mailing list.

Where? (With apologies for the cross post.)

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 7:43 AM Shane= Kerr <sh= ane@time-travellers.org> wrote:
All,

I took some random notes at the meeting. Apologies for any errors or
misstatements.

Cheers,

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Shane
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--0000000000001d48fe0573dc5e8e-- From nobody Mon Aug 20 09:23:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: driu@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: driu@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F4209131016; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:23:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c_weRTnUPu0k; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D7A9130FA3; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Svantevit.roach.at (cpe-70-122-154-80.tx.res.rr.com [70.122.154.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w7KGMBsc094813 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:22:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-122-154-80.tx.res.rr.com [70.122.154.80] claimed to be Svantevit.roach.at To: Sebastiaan Deckers , shane@time-travellers.org Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, doh@ietf.org, driu@ietf.org, ietf-http-wg@w3.org References: <4a845808-5348-d6e4-dda2-59aaf0e85c14@nostrum.com> <3DF5A66C-CCBF-4116-A1FC-35CF8E05808B@hopcount.ca> <82099DED-CCB6-4CDC-BFE6-97B1AB3EB0A4@isc.org> <7A9000F5-0772-49FC-BDBB-862C8141BA54@mnot.net> <23365.25230.573067.921128@gro.dd.org> <23365.25333.904112.575031@gro.dd.org> <1F3A6A86-3520-4AC9-BA2C-0A462F42BB60@mnot.net> <8840E959-EB84-4D60-BB4B-B8D944BF13AF@mnot.net> <10038742-b65c-7d38-0628-315c34555619@time-travellers.org> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <3cd27f5d-55d7-60f5-afc5-95a79b83a7f7@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:22:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Driu] [Doh] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tuesday (room change) X-BeenThere: driu@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "DNS Resolver Identification and Use \(DRIU\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:23:22 -0000 On 8/20/18 6:39 AM, Sebastiaan Deckers wrote: > > > Action: Adam Roach will set up a mailing list. > > Where? (With apologies for the cross post.) Apologies -- this fell between the cracks. I have a request in to create the list now, and will respond to this message with further information when it is set up. /a From nobody Mon Aug 20 12:16:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: driu@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: driu@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C084130DC6; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:16:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S-24hp0Px3q5; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3D44129619; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Svantevit.roach.at (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w7KJGZIe024055 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 20 Aug 2018 14:16:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be Svantevit.roach.at From: Adam Roach To: Sebastiaan Deckers , shane@time-travellers.org Cc: dnsop@ietf.org, doh@ietf.org, driu@ietf.org, ietf-http-wg@w3.org References: <4a845808-5348-d6e4-dda2-59aaf0e85c14@nostrum.com> <3DF5A66C-CCBF-4116-A1FC-35CF8E05808B@hopcount.ca> <82099DED-CCB6-4CDC-BFE6-97B1AB3EB0A4@isc.org> <7A9000F5-0772-49FC-BDBB-862C8141BA54@mnot.net> <23365.25230.573067.921128@gro.dd.org> <23365.25333.904112.575031@gro.dd.org> <1F3A6A86-3520-4AC9-BA2C-0A462F42BB60@mnot.net> <8840E959-EB84-4D60-BB4B-B8D944BF13AF@mnot.net> <10038742-b65c-7d38-0628-315c34555619@time-travellers.org> <3cd27f5d-55d7-60f5-afc5-95a79b83a7f7@nostrum.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 14:16:30 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3cd27f5d-55d7-60f5-afc5-95a79b83a7f7@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Driu] [Doh] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tuesday (room change) X-BeenThere: driu@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "DNS Resolver Identification and Use \(DRIU\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:16:40 -0000 On 8/20/18 11:22 AM, Adam Roach wrote: > On 8/20/18 6:39 AM, Sebastiaan Deckers wrote: >> >> > Action: Adam Roach will set up a mailing list. >> >> Where? (With apologies for the cross post.) > > > Apologies -- this fell between the cracks. I have a request in to > create the list now, and will respond to this message with further > information when it is set up. The list is now ready to go. Subscription information is available at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/http-srv /a From nobody Tue Aug 21 10:08:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: driu@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: driu@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8985D130FDE for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8z4FnZWyY9NL for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.portfast.net (hydrogen.portfast.net [188.246.200.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64CD3130F76 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 82-69-21-132.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk ([82.69.21.132]:64017 helo=Barbaras-MacBook-Pro.local) by hydrogen.portfast.net ([188.246.200.2]:465) with esmtpsa (fixed_plain:ray@bellis.me.uk) (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1fsA8O-0006N5-Ke (Exim 4.72) for DRIU@ietf.org (return-path ); Tue, 21 Aug 2018 18:08:00 +0100 To: DRIU@ietf.org From: Ray Bellis Message-ID: <13062979-2b13-12b7-c907-39902e76403a@bellis.me.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 18:08:02 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Driu] Alternate resource record? X-BeenThere: driu@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "DNS Resolver Identification and Use \(DRIU\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 17:08:22 -0000 Thanks for creating the mailing list. As mentioned at the side-meeting in Montreal, I strongly believe that the way forward should be a new RR that is specific for the use of HTTP(s) (c.f. MX for SMTP) and that would be automatically looked up by recursive resolvers and returned in answers [*] This recursive lookup step would give this record the equivalent performance to CNAME whilst avoiding the complexities (and failings) of SRV or ANAME. I'd like to write that up in a draft, but to do so I'd like to co-author with HTTP specialists to ensure that any such RR has the fields they deem necessary without the extra ones that SRV has that we heard are not desirable (specifically port numbers and load-balancing / weighting). Who'd be up for helping with this? Ray Bellis ISC Research Fellow [*] one caveat - the look-up would have to be optional in the specification because making it mandatory would prevent the use of the RR Expert Review process which doesn't allow for the assignment of RRs with mandatory server side processing. From nobody Tue Aug 21 11:38:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: driu@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: driu@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E45130E65 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2018 11:38:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2n7NQGUuOgPa for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2018 11:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.portfast.net (hydrogen.portfast.net [188.246.200.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C406130E63 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2018 11:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 82-69-21-132.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk ([82.69.21.132]:64213 helo=Barbaras-MacBook-Pro.local) by hydrogen.portfast.net ([188.246.200.2]:465) with esmtpsa (fixed_plain:ray@bellis.me.uk) (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1fsBXs-0008QV-9S (Exim 4.72) for driu@ietf.org (return-path ); Tue, 21 Aug 2018 19:38:24 +0100 To: driu@ietf.org References: <13062979-2b13-12b7-c907-39902e76403a@bellis.me.uk> From: Ray Bellis Message-ID: <02fe1090-e85d-f419-f0f5-94a8d81d9fdc@bellis.me.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 19:38:26 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <13062979-2b13-12b7-c907-39902e76403a@bellis.me.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Driu] Alternate resource record? X-BeenThere: driu@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "DNS Resolver Identification and Use \(DRIU\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 18:38:31 -0000 I wrote: > Who'd be up for helping with this? Gah, wrong list - sorry folks! Serves me right for trying to keep up with IETF stuff while on vacation... Ray