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Received: from xrelay03.mail2web.com (xrelay03.mail2web.com [168.144.1.54]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0EE1FE14 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.144.251.140] (helo=M2W035.mail2web.com) by xrelay03.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dquqm-0005do-R7; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:33:22 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22005758153312837@M2W035.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: badra@enst.fr X-Originating-IP: 211.28.1.48 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "badra@enst.fr" To: hannes.tschofenig@siemens.com Cc: jari.arkko@piuha.net, eap@frascone.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: AW: [eap] methods and expert reviews X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:33:12 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Hannes, Thank you for your review=2E Some comments are in-line=2E=2E > 1=2E Does the method document its security properties > in sufficient manner, as required by Section 7=2E2 > of RFC 3748=3F > > 1a=2E Mechanism=2E Is the mechanism explained=3F > > the mechanism used eap-tls, draft-ietf-tls-sharedkeys and some additiona= l "inner" mechanisms similar to peap or ttls (but seems to go beyond them)=2E= > the security properties of the "inner" mechanisms are not well described= (e=2Eg=2E, the usage of draft-urien-eap-smartcard or other authentication mechanisms such as kerberos)=2E There is some inner mechanisms used within eap-double-tls=2E All of them a= re optional and are used if the client and the server want more security services=2E For example, if they want to establish a secure session with P= FS and identity protection, so they establish an anonymous TLS as inner mechanism=2E If they don't care about these services, they may be satisfie= d by the first session (based on Pre-Shared-Key)=2E Concerning the draft-urien-eap-smartcard, we suggest to introduce the use of EAP smart cards as an optional method in order to securely store secret and private keys=2E For that an appendix is added at the end of the draft=2E I think that there is an Internet Draft that explains the use of the Kerberos over EAP=2E Kerberos also remains an optional mechanism=2E The dr= aft suggests the use of any key exchange protocol during the second phase in order to generate new secret keys and to remplace the old ones=2E > 1b=2E Security claims=2E Are the claimed and not claimed > properties listed=3F > > since the method introduces many optional parts it is difficult to illustrate the security properties in a single list (e=2Eg=2E, the draft n= ame says "double-tls" but one option is the protocol is it to use it without the "double" part)=2E as a consequence the security properties are entirel= y different=2E Ok=2E But I think that the draft shows the differents services offered by eap-double-tls in the case of an anonymous TLS that is used as an inner mechanism by default=2E > the aspect of cryptographic binding is not described=2E > 1c=2E Justifications for the claims=3F Is an explanation or > reference provided to each of the claims=3F > > most of the security properties are described but this should be done in= the context of the different protocol options=2E for example, what happens= if you do not use pfs, identity protection and tunnel eap-md5 over eap-tls=3F= =20 explanations are given but they are applicable only to certain modes of operation=2E > 1d=2E Key strength=2E Is the key strength documented=3F > > only a pointer to the tls-prf function is given=2E this is insufficient=2E= > =20 > A section shall be added to clarify this point=2E > 1e=2E Description of key hierarchy=2E Is the key hierarchy > documented=3F > > section 3=2E4 mentions the key derivation=2E however, more information i= s required to see how the crypto-binding works, how the MSK is derived=2E th= e current text seems to focus on the tls key derivation=2E > [Optional, at least for now: does it conform to EAP > keying framework=3F] > > no=2E > 1f=2E Indication of vulnerabilities=2E Are the known vulnerabilities > documented=3F > > [Note: it seems unreasonable to require the documentation > of unknown vulnerabilities :-) The "known" may of course be > "known to reviewer" or "known to author" or "known to the > community", but that appears to be best we can do=2E] > > no vulnerabilities are mentioned=2E the need for the crypto-binding must= be mentioned in order to prevent man-in-the-middle attacks=2E The first phase is based the TLS resumed Handshake and the client and the server are mutually authenticated through the finished messages=2E A man-in-the-middle will so be detected when the client and the server will check, among other, the messages integrity=2E Concerning the second phase messages, they will be protected and symmetrically signed by keys derived from the shared key and the random values=2E > 2=2E Compliance with EAP packet formats > > 2a=2E Does the method comply with the packet formats > defined in Section 4 of RFC 3748=3F > > yes=2E > 3=2E Compliance with EAP behaviour > > 3a=2E Does the method comply with Success/Failure usage > as defined in Sections 2, 2=2E2, and 4=2E2=3F > > yes, implicitly follows the same procedure as eap-tls > 3b=2E Does the method comply with sequence usage as defined > in Section 2=2E1 of RFC 3748=3F > > yes=2E > 3c=2E Does the method comply with request/response processing > rules as defined in Section 4=2E1 of RFC 3748=3F > > yes=2E > 3d=2E Does the method comply with retransmission rules > as defined in Section 4=2E3 of RFC 3748=3F > > not mentioned although there might be some issues with regard to the inner authentication methods that require user input=2E > =20 > > 3e=2E Does the method comply with the usage defined for > Identity, as defined in Section 5=2E1 of RFC 3748=3F > > yes; > the concept of temporal identities is used to provide user identity confidentiality=2E synchronization issues need to be addressed (i=2Ee=2E, = what happens if the state is out-of-sync) but this does not seem to impact rfc 3748=2E > 3f=2E Does the method comply with the usage defined for > Notification, as defined in Section 5=2E2 of RFC 3748=3F > > yes, implicitly mentioned with a reference to eap-tls > > 3g=2E Does the method comply with the usage defined for > Nak and Expanded-Nak as defined in Section 5=2E3 of RFC 3748=3F > > not mentioned=2E=20 Will be added > 3h=2E Does the method comply with the MIC usage requirements > from Sections 3=2E1, 7=2E5, and 7=2E8 of RFC 3748=3F > > yes, implicitly since it follows eap-tls=2E > > 4=2E Compliance with IANA requirements > > 4a=2E Does the method comply with EAP-based IANA requirements > defined in Section 6 of RFC 3748=3F That is, if it requests > the allocation of new numbers in the EAP namespace [not > applicable if the numbers have already been allocated], > is the type of the document and process appropriate for the > desired action=3F > > a request to iana to allocate a new eap type is indicated=2E inner metho= ds might also require the creation of a registry > or is the eap-ttls namespace inherited=3F Yes for eap-ttls avp, but not for inner methods (The draft does not use ne= w EAP methods during its second phase)=2E > 4b=2E Does the method comply with other IANA requirements in > the IETF standards track RFCs=3F For instance, does the > method attempt to allocate TLS extensions (which would > only be possible for standards track RFCs)=3F > > i am not sure whether the authors want this document become a standards track rfc=2E The draft does not define new extension type=2E It is based on TLS resumed= Handshake=2E > a few minor comments: > - the reference section needs to be split into normative and informative= references=2E having (expired) drafts in the normative part of the referen= ce section will be problematic=2E=20 Will be fixed > - the relationship of appendix a to the rest of the document is not clea= r=2E For key storage, and it is an optional method=2E > - kerberos is mentioned at several places throughout the document=2E it = is not described how kerberos should be used in the context of this method=2E= =20 In fact, the draft uses the eap-ttls avp to encapsulate other eap methods,= including eap-kerberos=2E Best regards, Badra -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From WojciechKeen@jkld.com Fri Jul 08 13:01:40 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by 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Until it appears in the archives you can find it here in text and html formats: https://scm.sipfoundry.org/rep/ietf-drafts/rohan/eap-enroll/draft- mahy-eap-enrollment-00.txt https://scm.sipfoundry.org/rep/ietf-drafts/rohan/eap-enroll/draft- mahy-eap-enrollment-00.html thanks, -rohan _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Tue Jul 12 15:21:10 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DsQJZ-0005hx-EV for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:21:10 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA26338 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF202036F; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146AF1FD6C; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:21:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B99F1FD6C for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gecko.sbs.de (gecko.sbs.de [194.138.37.40]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CBA1FC5D for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.sbs.de (mail2.sbs.de [192.129.41.66]) by gecko.sbs.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6CJKWCL029184; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:20:32 +0200 Received: from fthw9xoa.ww002.siemens.net (fthw9xoa.ww002.siemens.net [157.163.133.201]) by mail2.sbs.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6CJKW5t011959; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:20:32 +0200 Received: from MCHP7IEA.ww002.siemens.net ([139.25.131.146]) by fthw9xoa.ww002.siemens.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:20:31 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: [eap] New draft on EAP Enrollment Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] New draft on EAP Enrollment Thread-Index: AcWHCH32Hge9+pLTRh2uD2bu/PibYAACVZ2g From: "Tschofenig, Hannes" To: "Rohan Mahy" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2005 19:20:31.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5457160:01C58716] X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:19:40 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi rohan,=20 i quickly browsed through the draft. as you might guess a number of = folks had the idea of "bootstrapping" something with eap. actually there = are too many of them to list them in a single mail. some of these = proposals haven't excited our security ads. hence, i was suprised to see = that you thank 'Russ Housley and Benard Aboba for their support of this = idea'.=20 ciao hannes ps: you do not need to bootstrap asymmetric keying material in eap. you = can use one level of indirection by bootstrapping symmetric keying = material for usage of a certificate management protocol. needless to say = that this was also proposed in the past.=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: eap-admin@frascone.com [mailto:eap-admin@frascone.com]=20 > Im Auftrag von Rohan Mahy > Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Juli 2005 19:37 > An: eap@frascone.com > Cc: Rohan Mahy > Betreff: [eap] New draft on EAP Enrollment >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I recently submitted a draft which describes a new EAP method for =20 > enrolling in an administrative domain and getting credentials=20 > you can =20 > use later. The use case is for wireless devices with minimal=20 > interface =20 > like phones and equipment carts that need an easy way to get good =20 > credentials, but can then subsequently use something like WPA2 =20 > Enterprise with a machine generated username and password, or=20 > EAP-TLS =20 > with mutual certificate authentication to join the wireless LAN. >=20 > This draft is very much a preliminary idea. I do not have much =20 > experience with EAP, but I saw a real need for some sort of solution =20 > here and wrote this draft so there was a concrete example that folks =20 > can discuss. I apologize for not being fully up to speed on EAP. 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http://www.refin-xnd.net/r.php From eap-admin@frascone.com Wed Jul 13 17:39:10 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dsowf-0002Rx-Vx for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:39:10 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA16138 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDB6204C0; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BBF20453; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:39:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B9820453 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1F120374 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2005 14:38:06 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,288,1115017200"; d="scan'208"; a="648395321:sNHT27039556" Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6DLc2vM008451; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:38:02 -0700 (PDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE6905823019@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: EAP methods and Generally Usable Authentication Mechanisms Thread-Index: AcWH8yXXu3Tk062TTE6KqZjW0g+r0g== From: "Salowey, Joe" To: Cc: X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] EAP methods and Generally Usable Authentication Mechanisms Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:42:31 -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it is possible to define reasonable EAP methods as authentication mechanisms that can be used in SASL and GSS-API without much additional work. 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Abid, et al. > Filename : draft-abid-eap-osfr-00.txt > Pages : 16 > Date : 2005-7-13 > > In a public WLAN hotspot, we need to have an easy and secure way to > authenticate users. We have to find also mobility solutions, given > by providers, to perform well the roaming. A roaming mobile terminal > MT may be within radio range of more than one access point AP. > Therefore, we need to make an intelligent network selection decision > after receiving some roaming information. Currently, the information > is typically provisioned on the MTs as static roaming tables. But, > this approach is not scalable when there is a large number of access > points. > > In this draft, we propose our solution called OSFR, Optimized Network > Selection for Fast Roaming to improve association speed and > scalability. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-abid-eap-osfr-00.txt > > > > _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Thu Jul 14 03:32:08 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DsyCW-0004Hv-KK for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:32:08 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA13038 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BE9204B4; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D241F202C1; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:32:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAF6202C1 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brahma.intotoind.com (ip-66-80-10-146.dsl.sca.megapath.net [66.80.10.146]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF751FE17 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jampala.intoto.com (2mc79.intotoind.com [172.16.2.79]) by brahma.intotoind.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6E7VcVi002823 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:01:39 +0530 Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20050714130100.024258e8@172.16.1.10> X-Sender: srinij@172.16.1.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 To: eap@frascone.com From: "Srinivas J.Chowdary" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.41 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Client received Failure packet with out notification round. Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:01:39 +0530 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) hi , Please clarify my doubt which is mentioned below. In EAP-SIM full authentication , After completion of EAP-/Sim- Challenge round with out AT_RESULT_IND attribute exchanges , due to some reason authentication failed at server and server sends the EAP-Failure packet .Client receives the Failure packet and should client accept the EAP-Failure packet with out EAP-SIM notification round? Is EAP-SIM Notification round is optional in EAP-SIM authentication exchanges? regards srinivas _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Thu Jul 14 03:35:09 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DsyFQ-00065Z-U3 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:35:08 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA13355 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F551FE17; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FDD202C1; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:35:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAD8202C1 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brahma.intotoind.com (ip-66-80-10-146.dsl.sca.megapath.net [66.80.10.146]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD491FE17 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jampala.intoto.com (2mc79.intotoind.com [172.16.2.79]) by brahma.intotoind.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6E7YFut003493 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:04:15 +0530 Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20050714130100.024258e8@172.16.1.10> X-Sender: srinij@172.16.1.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 To: eap@frascone.com From: "Srinivas J.Chowdary" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.41 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Client received Failure packet with out notification round. Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:01:39 +0530 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) hi , Please clarify my doubt which is mentioned below. In EAP-SIM full authentication , After completion of EAP-/Sim- Challenge round with out AT_RESULT_IND attribute exchanges , due to some reason authentication failed at server and server sends the EAP-Failure packet .Client receives the Failure packet and should client accept the EAP-Failure packet with out EAP-SIM notification round? Is EAP-SIM Notification round is optional in EAP-SIM authentication exchanges? regards srinivas _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Thu Jul 14 06:27:08 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dt0vs-0005Rl-0M for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:27:08 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27437 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FCF204AE; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330A9202C1; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:27:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B59202C1 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rsys001x.roke.co.uk (rsys001x.roke.co.uk [193.118.201.108]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7151FE17 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rsys002a.roke.co.uk (rsys002a.roke.co.uk [193.118.192.251]) by rsys001x.roke.co.uk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6EAQ0xa026939 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:26:02 +0100 Received: by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <3J00VN5L>; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:28:18 +0100 Message-ID: <3F2E01E1D7B04F4EBEC92D3FA324D880386171@rsys004a> From: "McCann, Stephen" To: eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-abid-eap-osfr-00.txt MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-rsys001x: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: stephen.mccann@roke.co.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:28:17 +0100 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Dear all, I have some comments about this internet-draft, regarding section 4. The immediate impression I have is that this is a specific requirement on the IEEE 802.11 standard (e.g. extension of beacon functionality) and therefore should be taken to IEEE 802.11 for further discussion. Although I will not attend the IETF in Paris, may I recommend that if this ID is discussed, this is forwarded on to IEEE 802.11, for further consideration, specifically task groups r and u. I also have some concerns about the validity of this scheme, based on the amount of information it proposes to add to the beacon. Kind regards Stephen > -----Original Message----- > From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:20 AM > To: eap@frascone.com > Subject: [eap] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-abid-eap-osfr-00.txt > > > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > >directories. > > > > > > Title : OSFR (Optimized network Selection for > Fast Roaming) > > Author(s) : M. Abid, et al. > > Filename : draft-abid-eap-osfr-00.txt > > Pages : 16 > > Date : 2005-7-13 > > > > In a public WLAN hotspot, we need to have an easy and > secure way to > > authenticate users. We have to find also mobility > solutions, given > > by providers, to perform well the roaming. A roaming > mobile terminal > > MT may be within radio range of more than one access point AP. > > Therefore, we need to make an intelligent network > selection decision > > after receiving some roaming information. Currently, the > information > > is typically provisioned on the MTs as static roaming tables. But, > > this approach is not scalable when there is a large > number of access > > points. > > > > In this draft, we propose our solution called OSFR, > Optimized Network > > Selection for Fast Roaming to improve association speed and > > scalability. > > > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-abid-eap-osfr-00.txt > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > eap mailing list > eap@frascone.com > http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Thu Jul 14 07:50:09 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dt2ED-0002dX-6r for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:50:09 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA01828 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B10204A5; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01DF1FE17; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:50:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8761FE17 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gecko.sbs.de (gecko.sbs.de [194.138.37.40]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB46D1FC5F for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.sbs.de (mail1.sbs.de [192.129.41.35]) by gecko.sbs.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6EBnYCQ026618; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:49:34 +0200 Received: from fthw9xoa.ww002.siemens.net (fthw9xoa.ww002.siemens.net [157.163.133.201]) by mail1.sbs.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6EBnYuL032111; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:49:34 +0200 Received: from MCHP7IEA.ww002.siemens.net ([139.25.131.146]) by fthw9xoa.ww002.siemens.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:49:34 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: [eap] Future of EAP-PSK Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Future of EAP-PSK Thread-Index: AcV9gsY4+EGPSa0DStGIedXYZWFv6wK5kICA From: "Tschofenig, Hannes" To: "Thomas Otto" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2005 11:49:34.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A8F3170:01C5886A] X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:49:33 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi thomas,=20 i would like to thank you for the fact that you care so much about = eap-psk.=20 jesse provided a quite detailed review. thanks jesse. i would say that = this is probably the most detailed review an eap method has ever seen. = (minor comment: i would like to see more reviews by jesse -- including = some eap methods that are already rfc or pretty close to it).=20 =20 anway, i think jesse raised good comments but i do not see a problem = with the future of eap-psk. i don't see that there is a problem with = pre-shared methods. i also see usefulness of eap methods that offer = secure password based authentication (such as eap-ikev2). =20 ciao hannes > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: eap-admin@frascone.com [mailto:eap-admin@frascone.com]=20 > Im Auftrag von Thomas Otto > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2005 16:48 > An: eap@frascone.com > Betreff: [eap] Future of EAP-PSK >=20 >=20 >=20 > First, a brief technical comment regarding the proposal=20 >=20 > > It would be worth considering replacing OMAC1 by CMAC. NIST=20 > SP800-38B > > [2] defines CMAC as the "approved" CBC-MAC variant. >=20 > OMAC is short for One-Key CBC MAC. There are two variants of=20 > OMAC, namely > OMAC1 and OMAC2.=20 > OMAC1 is equivalent to CMAC. The CMAC mode of authentication is the > recommendation of NIST (see SP-800-38B, May 2005). On the=20 > OMAC page [1], > we find next to a detailed description of OMAC some pointer=20 > to OMAC-related > material, for instance "Comparison of CBC MAC variants and=20 > comments on NIST's > consultation paper. Comment to NIST (2003/05/05)" by T. Iwata=20 > [2]. The author=20 > compares RMAC,EMAC, XCBC, TMAC and OMAC. In the conclusion section, he > emphasizes that OMAC gives the best performance and provide=20 > an equal security > to EMAC, XCBC and TMAC. With regard to implementations, OMAC1=20 > is recommended. >=20 > So, OMAC1 has been a good choice. Since EAX relies on OMAC1,=20 > the EAX mode of=20 > encryption should be maintained.=20 >=20 > [1] http://crypt.cis.ibaraki.ac.jp/omac/omac.html > [2] http://crypt.cis.ibaraki.ac.jp/omac/docs/omac-cm2.pdf >=20 >=20 >=20 > Open question to the authors of EAP-PSK: Florent, Hannes, do you have > solutions regarding the open issues with EAP-PSK? Your comments failed > to appear since the expert review was published, which I find=20 > quite strange, > since the issues mentioned in the review sound serious. =20 >=20 > Although I do not hope, it seems that it lacks somehow of=20 > motivation to=20 > finish EAP-PSK.=20 >=20 > I would highly appreciate if you tell the EAP WG your plans=20 > regarding EAP-PSK. >=20 > Probably, the advantage to build a nice protocol around a=20 > single cryptographic > component is not as worthful as the fact to switch between=20 > public key and > shared key, and to provide features as PFS, provisioning and=20 > identity hiding, > as EAP-PAX does so. I think this tug-of-war of efficiency vs.=20 > security must=20 > be analyzed in a broader scope (see also draft-salowey-guam-00.txt). >=20 > Weak credentials like a four digit PIN are very common today.=20 > This morning, I=20 > attempted to make wpa_supplicant and freeradius ready to=20 > perform EAP-PSK. It > has been cumbersome to type in the 16byte preshared key=20 > (since hex, these are > 32 chars). The feature to begin (at the very first=20 > authentication) with a weak > credential, which is though most human friendly, which is immediately=20 > transformed into a more secure one was first claimed by=20 > EAP-FAST (concept of > PAC). >=20 > So, it appears that EAP-PAX wants to place in the mid between=20 > EAP-FAST (lot of > features, most requiring asymmetric crypto) and EAP-PSK=20 > (simplicity, only=20 > symmetric crypto). So, depending on the situation, a fast and=20 > less secure=20 > authentication as well as a few efficient but more secure=20 > authentication=20 > is possible. 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This is in contrast to existing parameter binding methods described in [I-D.arkko-eap-service-identity-auth] [I-D.tschofenig-eap-ikev2] in which an EAP peer can still establish a secure association even when a mismatch in EAP lower-layer parameters is detected by the EAP peer, as the EAP peer can ignore the mismatch and continue the EAP conversation to succeed." This is true, but I guess its to some extent dependent on what the specifications will say. If they say "MUST check and MUST fail the authentication if the check fails", then the result is similar. Nevertheless, in your scheme even a bad (or malicious) peer implementation could not continue, because it doesn't have the right key. 3. The draft says... "Each EAP lower-layer must define a blob that is an octet-string used for carrying lower-layer parameters that need to be bound to the AAA- Key. Such a blob is referred to as a "key-binding-blob". 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Hi all,

Following Jesse's extensive review, we = have updated EAP-PSK.

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Florent

------_=_NextPart_001_01C58B65.98A35C09-- _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Mon Jul 18 03:36:08 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DuQAa-0001VD-N8 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 03:36:08 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA17366 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 03:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E17720418; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 03:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C352036F; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 03:36:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5E02036F for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 03:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9EF202C0 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 03:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DuQA3-000Jra-Co for eap@frascone.com; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 03:35:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j6I7ZXs28524 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:35:34 -0700 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba From: Bernard Aboba To: eap@frascone.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Issue 305: Appendix Cleanup Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:35:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Issue 305: Appendix Cleanup Submitter name: Bernard Aboba Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com Date first submitted: 7/18/2005 Reference: Document: KEYING-07 Comment type: T Priority: S Section: Appendix A-D Rationale/Explanation of issue: Several of the Appendices appear redundant or belong in the main text. Recommend moving Appendix A & D to Section 2 (Lower Layer). Recommend leaving Appendix E & F alone. Recommend combining Appendix B & C into a unified Appendix A: Appendix A - EAP-TLS Key Hierarchy EAP-TLS [RFC 2716] was documented prior to the development of EAP key management terminology [RFC3748], and therefore does not explicitly define the MSK and EMSK. In EAP-TLS, the MSK, EMSK and IV are derived from the TLS master secret via a one-way function. This ensures that the TLS master secret cannot be derived from the MSK, EMSK or IV unless the one-way function (TLS PRF) is broken. Since the MSK is derived from the the TLS master secret, if the TLS master secret is compromised then the MSK is also compromised. [RFC2716] specifies that the MSK is divided into two halves, corresponding to the "Peer to Authenticator Encryption Key" (Enc- RECV-Key, 32 octets, also known as the PMK) and "Authenticator to Peer Encryption Key" (Enc-SEND-Key, 32 octets). In [RFC2548], the Enc-RECV-Key (the PMK) is transported in the MS-MPPE-Recv-Key attribute, and the Enc-SEND-Key is transported in the MS-MPPE-Send- Key attribute. The EMSK is also divided into two halves, corresponding to the "Peer to Authenticator Authentication Key" (Auth-RECV-Key, 32 octets) and "Authenticator to Peer Authentication Key" (Auth-SEND-Key, 32 octets). The IV is a 64 octet quantity that is a known value; octets 0-31 are known as the "Peer to Authenticator IV" or RECV-IV, and Octets 32-63 are known as the "Authenticator to Peer IV", or SEND-IV. The key derivation scheme MUST be interpreted as follows: MSK = TLS-PRF-64(TMS, "client EAP encryption",client.random || server.random) EMSK = second 64 octets of: TLS-PRF-128(TMS, "client EAP encryption", client.random || server.random) IV = TLS-PRF-64("", "client EAP encryption", client.random || server.random) MSK(0,31) = Peer to Authenticator Encryption Key (Enc-RECV-Key) (MS-MPPE-Recv-Key in [RFC2548]). Also known as the PMK. MSK(32,63) = Authenticator to Peer Encryption Key (Enc-SEND-Key) (MS-MPPE-Send-Key in [RFC2548]) EMSK(0,31) = Peer to Authenticator Authentication Key (Auth-RECV-Key) EMSK(32,63) = Authenticator to Peer Authentication Key (Auth-Send-Key) IV(0,31) = Peer to Authenticator Initialization Vector (RECV-IV) IV(32,63) = Authenticator to Peer Initialization vector (SEND-IV) Where: IV(W,Z) = Octets W through Z inclusive of the IV. MSK(W,Z) = Octets W through Z inclusive of the MSK. EMSK(W,Z) = Octets W through Z inclusive of the EMSK. TMS = TLS master_secret TLS-PRF-X = TLS PRF function defined in [RFC2246] computed to X octets client.random = Nonce generated by the TLS client. server.random = Nonce generated by the TLS server. Figure A-1 illustrates the TEK key hierarchy for EAP-TLS [RFC2716], which is based on the TLS key hierarchy described in [RFC2246]. The TLS-negotiated ciphersuite is used to set up a protected channel for use in protecting the EAP conversation, keyed by the derived TEKs. The TEK derivation proceeds as follows: master_secret = TLS-PRF-48(pre_master_secret, "master secret", client.random || server.random) TEK = TLS-PRF-X(master_secret, "key expansion", server.random || client.random) Where: TLS-PRF-X = TLS pseudo-random function defined in [RFC2246], computed to X octets. | | | | | pre_master_secret | server| | | client Random| V | Random | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | | | | | | | | +---->| master_secret |<------+ | | (TMS) | | | | | | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | | | | | | | | | V V V +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | | | | Key Block | | (TEKs) | | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | | | | | | client | server | client | server | client | server | MAC | MAC | write | write | IV | IV | | | | | | V V V V V V Figure A-1 - TLS [RFC2246] Key Hierarchy _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Mon Jul 18 07:24:09 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DuTjF-0000lQ-4U for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:24:09 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA01767 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E654420418; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EFA2036F; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:24:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F482039D for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28451202C0 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7905898AA; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:23:00 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <42DB81F4.2000103@piuha.net> From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] Issue 305: Appendix Cleanup References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:18:28 +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok for me. When integrating A & D to section 2, make sure the text represents these as examples (not normative). --Jari >Several of the Appendices appear redundant or belong in the main text. >Recommend moving Appendix A & D to Section 2 (Lower Layer). >Recommend leaving Appendix E & F alone. >Recommend combining Appendix B & C into a unified Appendix A: > >Appendix A - EAP-TLS Key Hierarchy > >EAP-TLS [RFC 2716] was documented prior to the development of >EAP key management terminology [RFC3748], and therefore does not >explicitly define the MSK and EMSK. > >In EAP-TLS, the MSK, EMSK and IV are derived from the TLS master >secret via a one-way function. This ensures that the TLS master >secret cannot be derived from the MSK, EMSK or IV unless the one-way >function (TLS PRF) is broken. Since the MSK is derived from the the >TLS master secret, if the TLS master secret is compromised then the >MSK is also compromised. > >[RFC2716] specifies that the MSK is divided into two halves, >corresponding to the "Peer to Authenticator Encryption Key" (Enc- >RECV-Key, 32 octets, also known as the PMK) and "Authenticator to >Peer Encryption Key" (Enc-SEND-Key, 32 octets). In [RFC2548], the >Enc-RECV-Key (the PMK) is transported in the MS-MPPE-Recv-Key >attribute, and the Enc-SEND-Key is transported in the MS-MPPE-Send- >Key attribute. > >The EMSK is also divided into two halves, corresponding to the "Peer >to Authenticator Authentication Key" (Auth-RECV-Key, 32 octets) and >"Authenticator to Peer Authentication Key" (Auth-SEND-Key, 32 >octets). The IV is a 64 octet quantity that is a known value; octets >0-31 are known as the "Peer to Authenticator IV" or RECV-IV, and >Octets 32-63 are known as the "Authenticator to Peer IV", or SEND-IV. > >The key derivation scheme MUST be interpreted as follows: > >MSK = TLS-PRF-64(TMS, "client EAP encryption",client.random || server.random) >EMSK = second 64 octets of: >TLS-PRF-128(TMS, "client EAP encryption", client.random || server.random) >IV = TLS-PRF-64("", "client EAP encryption", client.random || server.random) > >MSK(0,31) = Peer to Authenticator Encryption Key (Enc-RECV-Key) >(MS-MPPE-Recv-Key in [RFC2548]). Also known as the PMK. >MSK(32,63) = Authenticator to Peer Encryption Key (Enc-SEND-Key) >(MS-MPPE-Send-Key in [RFC2548]) >EMSK(0,31) = Peer to Authenticator Authentication Key (Auth-RECV-Key) >EMSK(32,63) = Authenticator to Peer Authentication Key (Auth-Send-Key) >IV(0,31) = Peer to Authenticator Initialization Vector (RECV-IV) >IV(32,63) = Authenticator to Peer Initialization vector (SEND-IV) > >Where: > >IV(W,Z) = Octets W through Z inclusive of the IV. >MSK(W,Z) = Octets W through Z inclusive of the MSK. >EMSK(W,Z) = Octets W through Z inclusive of the EMSK. >TMS = TLS master_secret >TLS-PRF-X = TLS PRF function defined in [RFC2246] computed to X octets >client.random = Nonce generated by the TLS client. >server.random = Nonce generated by the TLS server. > >Figure A-1 illustrates the TEK key hierarchy for EAP-TLS [RFC2716], >which is based on the TLS key hierarchy described in [RFC2246]. The >TLS-negotiated ciphersuite is used to set up a protected channel for >use in protecting the EAP conversation, keyed by the derived TEKs. >The TEK derivation proceeds as follows: > >master_secret = TLS-PRF-48(pre_master_secret, "master secret", >client.random || server.random) >TEK = TLS-PRF-X(master_secret, "key expansion", >server.random || client.random) > >Where: > >TLS-PRF-X = TLS pseudo-random function defined in [RFC2246], >computed to X octets. > > > | | | > | | pre_master_secret | > server| | | client > Random| V | Random > | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | > | | | | > | | | | > +---->| master_secret |<------+ > | | (TMS) | | > | | | | > | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | > | | | > | | | > | | | > V V V > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | > | | > | Key Block | > | (TEKs) | > | | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | | | | | > | client | server | client | server | client | server > | MAC | MAC | write | write | IV | IV > | | | | | | > V V V V V V > > Figure A-1 - TLS [RFC2246] Key Hierarchy > > _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Mon Jul 18 07:24:20 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DuTjQ-0000q8-Gw for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:24:20 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA01790 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE3C2045A; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CA02036F; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:24:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FA3202C0 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F4B20396 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490A1898BF; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:23:02 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <42DB8E26.5000109@piuha.net> From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com, Bernard Aboba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] issue: channel bindings in keying framework doc Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:10:30 +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Submitter name: Jari Arkko Submitter email address: Jari.Arkko@piuha.net Date first submitted: 18/7/2005 Document: KEYING-07 Comment type: T Priority: S Section: 1.3 and 6.7 Rationale/Explanation of issue: I reviewed -07's text about channel bindings. Please find below some suggested edits that take into account some of the discussion about channel bindings in recent months. >1.3 ... > > Channel Bindings > > Channel Bindings include lower layer parameters that are verified > for consistency between the EAP peer and server. In order to > avoid introducing media dependencies, EAP methods MUST treat > Channel Bindings as opaque octets. s/EAP methods MUST treat Channel Bindings as opaque octets/EAP methods that transport Channel Bindings data MUST treat this data as opaque octets/ > Typically the EAP method imports Channel Bindings from the lower layer on the peer, and > > transmits them securely to the EAP server, which exports them to > the lower layer. However, transport may occur from EAP server to > peer, or may be bi-directional. On the side of the exchange (peer > or server) where Channel Bindings are verified, the lower layer > passes the result of the verification (TRUE or FALSE) up to the > EAP method. > >6.7. Channel binding > > It is possible for a compromised or poorly implemented EAP > authenticator to communicate incorrect information to the EAP peer > and/or server. This may enable an authenticator to impersonate > another authenticator or communicate incorrect information via out- > of-band mechanisms (such as via AAA or the lower layer protocol). > > Where EAP is used in pass-through mode, the EAP peer typically does > not verify the identity of the pass-through authenticator, it only > verifies that the pass-through authenticator is trusted by the EAP > server. This creates a potential security vulnerability, described in > [RFC3748] Section 7.15. > > [RFC3579] Section 4.3.7 describes how an EAP pass-through > authenticator acting as a AAA client can be detected if it attempts > to impersonate another authenticator (such by sending incorrect NAS- > Identifier [RFC2865], NAS-IP-Address [RFC2865] or NAS-IPv6-Address > [RFC3162] attributes via the AAA protocol). However, it is possible > for a pass-through authenticator acting as a AAA client to provide > correct information to the AAA server while communicating misleading > information to the EAP peer via a lower layer protocol. > > For example, it is possible for a compromised authenticator to > utilize another authenticator's Called-Station-Id or NAS-Identifier > in communicating with the EAP peer via a lower layer protocol, or for > a pass-through authenticator acting as a AAA client to provide an > incorrect peer Calling-Station-Id [RFC2865][RFC3580] to the AAA > server via the AAA protocol. > > As noted in [RFC3748] Section 7.15, this vulnerability can be > addressed by use of EAP methods that support a protected exchange of > channel properties such as endpoint identifiers, including (but not > limited to): Called-Station-Id [RFC2865][RFC3580], Calling-Station-Id > [RFC2865][RFC3580], NAS-Identifier [RFC2865], NAS-IP-Address > [RFC2865], and NAS-IPv6-Address [RFC3162]. > > Using such a protected exchange, it is possible to match the channel > properties provided by the authenticator via out-of-band mechanisms > against those exchanged within the EAP method. For example, see > [ServiceIdent]. Add: It is also possible to achieve Channel Bindings without transporting data over EAP. For example, see [draft-ohba-eap-aaakey-binding]. In this approach the authenticator informs the EAP server about the Channel Binding parameters over AAA, and the server calculates its AAA-Key based on this parameter set, making it impossible for the peer and authenticator to complete Secure Association Protocol if there was a mismatch in the parameters. The main difference between these approaches is that in the EAP-based case an upgrade to an EAP method that supports Channel Binding data transport is needed, impacting both the peer and the server. In the AAA-based case the peer and the server are impacted as well, but not at the EAP layer. However, a modification of the authenticator is needed in the AAA-based case. --Jari _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Mon Jul 18 07:24:41 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DuTjl-0000ql-Ri for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:24:41 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA01838 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E0B2039D; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7DC2044F; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:24:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7333D203E9 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B08A2036F for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794BB898BD; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:23:01 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <42DB88B2.4010602@piuha.net> From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yoshihiro Ohba , Bernard Aboba Cc: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] issue 300 (ports) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:47:14 +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >In draft-ietf-eap-keying-06.txt, the definition of "port" is not >clear. In fact, the draft talks about peer ports and authenticator >ports. On the other hand, there is a definition of "network access >port" in IEEE 802.1X specification, but I'm not sure the port in the >eap-keying draft is exactly the same as defined in 802.1X. > >Also, can an "authenticator port" be physically separated from the >authenticator? I think they can be separated. > This does seem to be an issue. I'm not sure we can define "port" well enough, given the variety of link layers that use it in different ways. I went through keying-07 and tried to see if we can avoid this problem. Most of the text involving ports simply reminds the reader that multiple physical or virtual ports may be involved, and the implications to identification. I don't think this part is problematic, but our definitions (like in TSKs) should not rely on the term "port". A small proposed change below. > Transient Session Keys (TSKs) > > Session keys used to protect data exchanged between a port of the > peer and a port of the authenticator after the EAP authentication > has successfully completed. TSKs are appropriate for the lower > layer ciphersuite negotiated between the ports of the EAP peer and > authenticator. Examples of TSK derivation are provided in Appendix > D. s/between a port of the peer and a port of the authenticator/in a session between the peer and the authenticator/ > Session-ID > > The Session-ID uniquely identifies an EAP session between an EAP > peer (as identified by the Peer-ID) and server (as identified by > the Server-ID). The EAP Session-ID consists of the concatenation > of the Expanded EAP Type Code (including the Type, Vendor-ID and > Vendor-Type fields defined in [RFC3748] Section 5.7) and the > Method-ID. The inclusion of the Expanded Type Code in the EAP > Session-Id ensures that each EAP method has a distinct Session-ID > space. Since an EAP session is not bound to a particular > authenticator or specific ports on the peer and authenticator, the > authenticator port or identity are not included in the Session-Id. This seems OK. > EAP is typically deployed in order to support extensible network > access authentication in situations where a peer desires network > access via one or more authenticators. Since both the peer and > authenticator may have more than one physical or logical port, a > given peer may simultaneously access the network via multiple > authenticators, or via multiple physical or logical ports on a given > authenticator. Similarly, an authenticator may offer network access > to multiple peers, each via a separate physical or logical port. The > situation is illustrated in Figure 3. This seems OK too. > [2] Entity Naming. A basic feature of a Secure Association Protocol is > the explicit naming of the parties engaged in the exchange. > Explicit identification of the parties is critical, since without > this the parties engaged in the exchange are not identified and the > scope of the transient session keys (TSKs) generated during the > exchange is undefined. As illustrated in Figure 3, both the peer > and NAS may have more than one physical or virtual port, so that > port identifiers are NOT RECOMMENDED as a naming mechanism. Ok. > Absent an explicit binding step within the Secure Association > Protocol, the AAA-Key is not bound to a specific peer or > authenticator port. As a result, the peer or authenticator port over > which the EAP conversation takes place is not included in the AAA-Key > scope. Ok. > [e] Key scope determination. Since the Discovery phase is handled out- > of-band, EAP does not provide a mechanism by which the peer can > determine the authenticator identity. As a result, where the > authenticator has multiple ports and AAA-Key caching is supported, > the EAP peer may not be able to determine the scope of validity of > a AAA-Key. Similarly, where the EAP peer has multiple ports, the > authenticator may not be able to determine whether a peer has > authorization to use a particular AAA-Key. To allow key scope > determination, the lower layer SHOULD provide a mechanism by which > the peer can determine the scope of the AAA-Key cache on each > authenticator, and by which the authenticator can determine the > scope of the AAA-Key cache on a peer. Still OK. > > > [a] may contain multiple physical ports; > [b] may advertise itself as multiple "virtual" authenticators > or peers; > [c] may utilize multiple CPUs; > [d] may support clustering services for load balancing or failover. > > As illustrated in Figure 1, an EAP peer with multiple ports may be > attached to one or more authenticators, each with multiple ports. > Where the peer and authenticator identify themselves using a port > identifier such as a link layer address, it may not be obvious to the > peer which authenticator ports are associated with which > authenticators. Similarly, it may not be obvious to the > authenticator which peer ports are associated with which peers. As a > result, the peer and authenticator may not be able to determine the > scope of the AAA-Key. Ok... > Entity Naming > The peer and authenticator SHOULD identify themselves in a manner > that is independent of their attached ports. 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TSKs are appropriate for the lower > > layer ciphersuite negotiated between the ports of the EAP peer and > > authenticator. Examples of TSK derivation are provided in Appendix > > D. > > s/between a port of the peer and a port of the authenticator/in a session > between the peer and the authenticator/ I think Yoshi is saying that while EAP keying parameters are not bound to ports, that the TSKs are. While this is true in IEEE 802.1X, IEEE 802.11i, and IEEE 802.16, is it always the case? As long as replay protection would remain feasible, I see no intrinsic reason to prohibit the sharing of TSKs between ports of the same authenticator. _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Mon Jul 18 11:59:07 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DuY1L-0008PU-PZ for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:59:07 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA23927 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A003520444; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC502042D; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:59:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446DE2042D for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB352039D for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DuY0j-000Jli-M9; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:58:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j6IFwRw27700; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:58:27 -0700 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba From: Bernard Aboba To: Jari Arkko Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] Issue 305: Appendix Cleanup In-Reply-To: <42DB81F4.2000103@piuha.net> Message-ID: References: <42DB81F4.2000103@piuha.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:58:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) > Ok for me. When integrating A & D to section 2, make > sure the text represents these as examples (not > normative). In working this through, I think it might be easier for now to combine A & D into a single Appendix B. Here is a strawman: Appendix B - Example Transient Session Key (TSK) Derivation To date, PPP and IEEE 802.11 ciphersuites are suitable for keying by EAP. This Appendix describes the keying requirements of common PPP and 802.11 ciphersuites. PPP ciphersuites include DESEbis [RFC2419], 3DES [RFC2420], and MPPE [RFC3078]. The DES algorithm is described in [FIPSDES], and DES modes (such as CBC, used in [RFC2419] and DES-EDE3-CBC, used in [RFC2420]) are described in [DESMODES]. For PPP DESEbis, a single 56-bit encryption key is required, used in both directions. For PPP 3DES, a 168-bit encryption key is needed, used in both directions. As described in [RFC2419] for DESEbis and [RFC2420] for 3DES, the IV, which is different in each direction, is "deduced from an explicit 64-bit nonce, which is exchanged in the clear during the [ECP] negotiation phase." There is therefore no need for the IV to be provided by EAP. For MPPE, 40-bit, 56-bit or 128-bit encryption keys are required in each direction, as described in [RFC3078]. No initialization vector is required. While these PPP ciphersuites provide encryption, they do not provide per-packet authentication or integrity protection, so an authentication key is not required in either direction. Within [IEEE-802.11], Transient Session Keys (TSKs) are required both for unicast traffic as well as for multicast traffic, and therefore separate key hierarchies are required for unicast keys and multicast keys. IEEE 802.11 ciphersuites include WEP-40, described in [IEEE-802.11], which requires a 40-bit encryption key, the same in either direction; and WEP-128, which requires a 104-bit encryption key, the same in either direction. These ciphersuites also do not support per-packet authentication and integrity protection. In addition to these unicast keys, authentication and encryption keys are required to wrap the multicast encryption key. Recently, new ciphersuites have been proposed for use with IEEE 802.11 that provide per-packet authentication and integrity protection as well as encryption [IEEE-802.11i]. These include TKIP, which requires a single 128-bit encryption key and two 64-bit authentication keys (one for each direction); and AES CCMP, which requires a single 128-bit key (used in both directions) in order to authenticate and encrypt data. As with WEP, authentication and encryption keys are also required to wrap the multicast encryption (and possibly, authentication) keys. Within IEEE 802.11 RSN, the Pairwise Transient Key (PTK), a transient session key used to protect unicast traffic, is derived from the PMK (octets 0-31 of the MSK), known in [RFC2716] as the Peer to Authenticator Encryption Key. In [IEEE-802.11i], the PTK is derived from the PMK via the following formula: PTK = EAPOL-PRF-X(PMK, "Pairwise key expansion", Min(AA,SA) || Max(AA, SA) || Min(ANonce,SNonce) || Max(ANonce,SNonce)) Where: PMK = AAA-Key(0,31) SA = Station MAC address (Calling-Station-Id) AA = Access Point MAC address (Called-Station-Id) ANonce = Access Point Nonce SNonce = Station Nonce EAPOL-PRF-X = Pseudo-Random Function based on HMAC-SHA1, generating a PTK of size X octets. TKIP uses X = 64, while CCMP, WRAP, and WEP use X = 48. The EAPOL-Key Confirmation Key (KCK) is used to provide data origin authenticity in the TSK derivation. It utilizes the first 128 bits (bits 0-127) of the PTK. The EAPOL-Key Encryption Key (KEK) provides confidentiality in the TSK derivation. It utilizes bits 128-255 of the PTK. Bits 256-383 of the PTK are used by Temporal Key 1, and Bits 384-511 are used by Temporal Key 2. Usage of TK1 and TK2 is ciphersuite specific. Details are available in [IEEE-802.11i] _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Mon Jul 18 12:13:12 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DuYEw-0005rO-SY for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:13:12 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25263 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B15520444; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72B32042D; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:13:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274202042D for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30EC2039D for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DuYE9-000Mf9-9Q; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:12:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j6IGCIa28625; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:12:19 -0700 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba From: Bernard Aboba To: Jari Arkko Cc: eap@frascone.com In-Reply-To: <42DB8E26.5000109@piuha.net> Message-ID: References: <42DB8E26.5000109@piuha.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Re: issue: channel bindings in keying framework doc Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:12:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) > > properties provided by the authenticator via out-of-band mechanisms > > against those exchanged within the EAP method. For example, see > > [ServiceIdent]. > > Add: It is also possible to achieve Channel Bindings without transporting > data over EAP. For example, see [draft-ohba-eap-aaakey-binding]. In this > approach the authenticator informs the EAP server about the Channel Binding > parameters over AAA, and the server calculates its AAA-Key based on > this parameter set, making it impossible for the peer and authenticator > to complete Secure Association Protocol if there was a mismatch in > the parameters. > > The main difference between these approaches is that in the EAP-based > case an upgrade to an EAP method that supports Channel > Binding data transport is needed, impacting both the peer and the > server. In the AAA-based case the peer and the server are impacted > as well, but not at the EAP layer. However, a modification > of the authenticator is needed in the AAA-based case. How about this? Using such a protected exchange, it is possible to match the channel properties provided by the authenticator via out-of-band mechanisms against those exchanged within the EAP method. For example, see [ServiceIdent]. It is also possible to achieve Channel Bindings without transporting data over EAP. For example, see [draft-ohba-eap-aaakey-binding]. In this approach the authenticator informs the backend server about the Channel Binding parameters using AAA, and the backend server calculates its AAA-Key based on this parameter set, making it impossible for the peer and authenticator to complete the Secure Association Protocol if there was a mismatch in the parameters. The main difference between these approaches is that Channel Binding support within an EAP method may require upgrading or changing the EAP method, impacting both the peer and the server. Where Channel Bindings are implemented in AAA, the peer, authenticator and the backend server need to be upgraded, but the EAP method need not be modified. _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Mon Jul 18 16:45:13 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DucUA-0008Um-Qi for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:45:13 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA27082 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B678020441; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0C620445; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:45:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67D920445 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B411020441 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j6IKiVrr014608; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:44:31 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id j6IKiVlI012040; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:44:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id FAA12034 ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:44:31 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j6IKiUsO021373; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:44:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id j6IKiUb0020576; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:44:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp by tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j6IKiUdF022247; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:44:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead (ivpn12-005.mobile.toshiba.co.jp) by tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.01.13.19.49.p4) with ESMTP id <0IJU009F5CA068@tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:44:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DuZFo-00085L-00; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:18:08 -0700 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] comments on draft-ohba-aaakey-binding-01 In-reply-to: <42D94A01.7090202@piuha.net> To: Jari Arkko Cc: Yoshihiro Ohba , eap@frascone.com Message-id: <20050718171748.GF30269@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i References: <42D94A01.7090202@piuha.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:17:48 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 08:55:13PM +0300, Jari Arkko wrote: > Thanks for writing this draft, Yoshihiro. I like your scheme > very much. Its simple and effective. Thank you Jari for your encouraging comment. > > A couple of questions and comments for further discussion, > however. > > 1. As far as I can determine, it looks like the security level of > this scheme is equivalent to what draft-arkko-eap-service-identity-auth > or draft-tschofenig-eap-ikev2 can provide. Is this also your > understanding? Yes, that is my understanding. > Or what can you say about the differences? > > (I'm primarily thinking of the case where EAP server and > authenticator are in separate administrative domains. And I'm > excluding the difference that is discussed in the next bullet.) > > 2. The security considerations say > > "The solution described in this document improves the security > characteristics of the EAP key management framework in that a secure > association is never established if there is a difference in EAP > lower-layer parameters recognized by the EAP peer and the EAP > authenticator. This is in contrast to existing parameter binding > methods described in [I-D.arkko-eap-service-identity-auth] > [I-D.tschofenig-eap-ikev2] in which an EAP peer can still establish a > secure association even when a mismatch in EAP lower-layer parameters > is detected by the EAP peer, as the EAP peer can ignore the mismatch > and continue the EAP conversation to succeed." > > This is true, but I guess its to some extent dependent on what > the specifications will say. If they say "MUST check and MUST fail > the authentication if the check fails", then the result is similar. Yes, I think so. > Nevertheless, in your scheme even a bad (or malicious) peer > implementation could not continue, because it doesn't have the > right key. This is true, and I think this applies to server implementation also. > > 3. The draft says... > > "Each EAP lower-layer must define a blob that is an octet-string used > for carrying lower-layer parameters that need to be bound to the AAA- > Key. Such a blob is referred to as a "key-binding-blob". A key- > binding-blob contains parameters that persist long-term such as the > identification of the EAP authenticator. It is the responsibility of > each EAP lower-layer to define how the EAP lower-layer parameters are > encoded in the blob." > > Why is this necessary? Of course, the blob needs to be agreed upon > on both sides, but presumably one could (a) send it or (b) define > how it is derived from already exchanged lower layer parameters. > But I may be missing something... I'd like to know how hard it would > be to define this for something that is already widely deployed > like 802.11. For example, in the case of 802.11, I think at least SSID needs to be carried in key-binding-blob. Then, some document (defined in IEEE 802.11 or IETF) would be needed to specify it. If there is no rule as to which lower-layer parameters are included in key-binding-blob and the format used when they are included in the blob, it will end up with generating diffferent AAA-Keys between the EAP peer and EAP authenticator. > > 4. Deployment implications. Am I correct in saying that the > implications for existing systems are different in the aaakey > and eap channel binding approaches? For the aaakey > case we need either modification (a) from above, or at > least some new code to calculate the blob according to > the procedure (b). In either case, new access points are > needed. Yes. > Presumably some code changes in peers and > servers are needed too, to make it possible to use the > new types of keys and to verify them. Yes. > No changes to > EAP methods or credentials are needed. Yes. > > For the channel binding case, a change is needed in the > peers and servers to adopt a channel-binding EAP method; > presumably the same credentials can still be used, however. > Depending on how ambitious channel bindings are desired, > the access points may or may not need to be changed. Basically, > if existing AAA attributes are sufficient, then no changes are > needed. However, if new attributes are needed then new > access points are needed. The lower layer protocol is never > changed, however. Yes, I think so. > > Is this analysis correct? Yes, I have the exactly same view as yours. Best regards, Yoshihiro Ohba > > --Jari > > > _______________________________________________ > eap mailing list > eap@frascone.com > http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Mon Jul 18 19:59:14 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DufVx-0003mp-GM for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:59:14 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA00796 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8685920484; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEAE204A9; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:59:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F3620499 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout1.samsung.com (mailout1.samsung.com [203.254.224.24]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243D420484 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ep_mmp1 (mailout1.samsung.com [203.254.224.24]) by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IJU000XWLA5F9@mailout1.samsung.com> for eap@frascone.com; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:58:53 +0900 (KST) Received: from Alperyegin ([105.144.29.41]) by mmp1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IJU00H60LA163@mmp1.samsung.com> for eap@frascone.com; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:58:53 +0900 (KST) From: Alper Yegin Subject: RE: [eap] issue 300 (ports) In-reply-to: <42DB88B2.4010602@piuha.net> To: "'Jari Arkko'" , "'Yoshihiro Ohba'" , "'Bernard Aboba'" Cc: eap@frascone.com Message-id: <018901c58bf4$a65708d0$291d9069@sisa.samsung.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:58:49 -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Jari, > >Also, can an "authenticator port" be physically separated from the > >authenticator? I think they can be separated. > > > > This does seem to be an issue. I'm not sure we can > define "port" well enough, given the variety of link layers > that use it in different ways. > > I went through keying-07 and tried to see if we can avoid > this problem. Even though the term "port" is somewhat polluted, can we still come up with a term for this? Having been involved in few separate discussions that can really use a well-defined term for such functionality, I think that'd help EAP users a lot. Alper > Most of the text involving ports simply > reminds the reader that multiple physical or virtual ports > may be involved, and the implications to identification. > I don't think this part is problematic, but our definitions > (like in TSKs) should not rely on the term "port". A small > proposed change below. > > > Transient Session Keys (TSKs) > > > > Session keys used to protect data exchanged between a port of the > > peer and a port of the authenticator after the EAP authentication > > has successfully completed. TSKs are appropriate for the lower > > layer ciphersuite negotiated between the ports of the EAP peer and > > authenticator. Examples of TSK derivation are provided in Appendix > > D. > > s/between a port of the peer and a port of the authenticator/in a session > between the peer and the authenticator/ > > > Session-ID > > > > The Session-ID uniquely identifies an EAP session between an EAP > > peer (as identified by the Peer-ID) and server (as identified by > > the Server-ID). The EAP Session-ID consists of the concatenation > > of the Expanded EAP Type Code (including the Type, Vendor-ID and > > Vendor-Type fields defined in [RFC3748] Section 5.7) and the > > Method-ID. The inclusion of the Expanded Type Code in the EAP > > Session-Id ensures that each EAP method has a distinct Session-ID > > space. Since an EAP session is not bound to a particular > > authenticator or specific ports on the peer and authenticator, the > > authenticator port or identity are not included in the Session-Id. > > This seems OK. > > > EAP is typically deployed in order to support extensible network > > access authentication in situations where a peer desires network > > access via one or more authenticators. Since both the peer and > > authenticator may have more than one physical or logical port, a > > given peer may simultaneously access the network via multiple > > authenticators, or via multiple physical or logical ports on a given > > authenticator. Similarly, an authenticator may offer network access > > to multiple peers, each via a separate physical or logical port. The > > situation is illustrated in Figure 3. > > This seems OK too. > > > [2] Entity Naming. A basic feature of a Secure Association Protocol is > > the explicit naming of the parties engaged in the exchange. > > Explicit identification of the parties is critical, since without > > this the parties engaged in the exchange are not identified and the > > scope of the transient session keys (TSKs) generated during the > > exchange is undefined. As illustrated in Figure 3, both the peer > > and NAS may have more than one physical or virtual port, so that > > port identifiers are NOT RECOMMENDED as a naming mechanism. > > Ok. > > > Absent an explicit binding step within the Secure Association > > Protocol, the AAA-Key is not bound to a specific peer or > > authenticator port. As a result, the peer or authenticator port over > > which the EAP conversation takes place is not included in the AAA-Key > > scope. > > Ok. > > > [e] Key scope determination. Since the Discovery phase is handled out- > > of-band, EAP does not provide a mechanism by which the peer can > > determine the authenticator identity. As a result, where the > > authenticator has multiple ports and AAA-Key caching is supported, > > the EAP peer may not be able to determine the scope of validity of > > a AAA-Key. Similarly, where the EAP peer has multiple ports, the > > authenticator may not be able to determine whether a peer has > > authorization to use a particular AAA-Key. To allow key scope > > determination, the lower layer SHOULD provide a mechanism by which > > the peer can determine the scope of the AAA-Key cache on each > > authenticator, and by which the authenticator can determine the > > scope of the AAA-Key cache on a peer. > > Still OK. > > > > > > > [a] may contain multiple physical ports; > > [b] may advertise itself as multiple "virtual" authenticators > > or peers; > > [c] may utilize multiple CPUs; > > [d] may support clustering services for load balancing or failover. > > > > As illustrated in Figure 1, an EAP peer with multiple ports may be > > attached to one or more authenticators, each with multiple ports. > > Where the peer and authenticator identify themselves using a port > > identifier such as a link layer address, it may not be obvious to the > > peer which authenticator ports are associated with which > > authenticators. Similarly, it may not be obvious to the > > authenticator which peer ports are associated with which peers. As a > > result, the peer and authenticator may not be able to determine the > > scope of the AAA-Key. > > Ok... > > > Entity Naming > > The peer and authenticator SHOULD identify themselves in a manner > > that is independent of their attached ports. > > Ok. > > --Jari > > > _______________________________________________ > eap mailing list > eap@frascone.com > http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From Durward@jerryfowler.com Tue Jul 19 12:06:39 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DuucB-00028o-6C for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:06:39 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA09664 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200507191606.MAA09664@ietf.org> Received: from igld-84-228-14-237.inter.net.il ([84.228.14.237] helo=jerryfowler.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Duv5o-0001Kj-Ee for eap-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:37:18 -0400 From: "Durward Forman" To: "Lupe Mock" Subject: Really Works GGood Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:06:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C58C7B.CDB53C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 386e0819b1192672467565a524848168 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C58C7B.CDB53C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, fixed their ransom at twenty thousand pieces of eight. 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Dear Sky =20 Online Banking User,

At Sky Bank, w= e take security very seriously. As many customers already know, Micros= oft Internet Explorer has significant 'holes' or vulnerabilities that virus creators can easily ta= ke advantage of.

At Sky Bank, we maintain your= personal information and data according to strict standard= s of security and confidentiality as described in the = Terms and Conditions that govern your use of this site.= Online access to your account portfolio is only possible through a secure web browser.

In order to further protect y= our account, we have introduced some new important se= curity standards and browser requirements. Sky Bank secu= rity systems require that your computer system is comp= atible with our new standards.

This security update will be = effective immediately. Please update to Sky Bank Online in order to verify securit= y update installation. Failure to do so may result = in your account being compromised.

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Sky Technology Resources, = Inc.
Copyr= ight =A9 2005 Sky Financial Group, Inc.
From nobody@ns.ciclife.co.kr Wed Jul 20 21:53:05 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DvQFF-0005Sk-A7 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:53:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA26600 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [211.38.210.129] (helo=ns.ciclife.co.kr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DvQjB-0006cL-LV for eap-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:24:02 -0400 Received: from ns.ciclife.co.kr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ns.ciclife.co.kr (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6L1qsAX028562 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:52:54 +0900 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by ns.ciclife.co.kr (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id j6L1qsgP028559; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:52:54 +0900 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:52:54 +0900 Message-Id: <200507210152.j6L1qsgP028559@ns.ciclife.co.kr> To: eap-archive@ietf.org Subject: update your account online From: "Service@Sky-bank.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ns.ciclife.co.kr id j6L1qsAX028562 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 093efd19b5f651b2707595638f6c4003 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sky Online Personal Banking


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Dear Sky =20 Online Banking User,

At Sky Bank, w= e take security very seriously. As many customers already know, Micros= oft Internet Explorer has significant 'holes' or vulnerabilities that virus creators can easily ta= ke advantage of.

At Sky Bank, we maintain your= personal information and data according to strict standard= s of security and confidentiality as described in the = Terms and Conditions that govern your use of this site.= Online access to your account portfolio is only possible through a secure web browser.

In order to further protect y= our account, we have introduced some new important se= curity standards and browser requirements. Sky Bank secu= rity systems require that your computer system is comp= atible with our new standards.

This security update will be = effective immediately. Please update to Sky Bank Online in order to verify securit= y update installation. Failure to do so may result = in your account being compromised.

3D"Click

Sky Technology Resources, = Inc.
Copyr= ight =A9 2005 Sky Financial Group, Inc.
From eap-admin@frascone.com Thu Jul 21 03:18:11 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DvVJq-0001xU-Sd for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:18:11 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA07113 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CDB20501; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822DC204EC; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:18:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99FD204EC for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85B0204D5 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A656D8980C for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:17:45 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <42DF4C22.6050001@piuha.net> From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-arkko-eap-service-identity-auth-03.txt Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:17:54 +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI. This version attempts to take into account the discussion that happened on the EAP list about channel bindings, including selection of the checking entity and AAA vs. EAP based transport discussion. Comments appreciated. --Jari >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : Authenticated Service Information for the Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) > Author(s) : J. Arkko, P. Eronen > Filename : draft-arkko-eap-service-identity-auth-03.txt > Pages : 25 > Date : 2005-7-20 > >EAP is typically used in an arrangement where the actual service > (such as a wireless LAN access point) is separated from the > authentication server. However, EAP itself does not have a concept > of a service identity or its parameters, and thus the client usually > does not authenticate any information about the service itself, even > when a mutually authenticating EAP method is used. This document > specifies a backward compatible extension to popular EAP methods for > authenticating service related information, such as the identity and > type of the offered service. A common parameter name space is > created in order to ensure that the same kinds of identifiers can be > authenticated independent of the choice of the EAP authentication > method, retaining the EAP media independence principle. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-arkko-eap-service-identity-auth-03.txt > > _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Thu Jul 21 03:26:10 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DvVRa-0005NF-8Z for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:26:10 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA07575 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674DA2050A; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91B2204EC; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:26:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE64204EC for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D287204D5 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F313D8980C for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:25:57 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <42DF4E0E.6040902@piuha.net> From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-tschofenig-eap-ikev2-07.txt Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:26:06 +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI: >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : EAP IKEv2 Method (EAP-IKEv2) > Author(s) : H. Tschofenig, et al. > Filename : draft-tschofenig-eap-ikev2-07.txt > Pages : 30 > Date : 2005-7-20 > >EAP-IKEv2 is an EAP authentication method with cryptographic > properties and basic exchanges similar to the Internet Key > Exchange (IKEv2) protocol. It provides a flexible EAP method with > support for both symmetric and asymmetric authentication, as well > as a combination of both. > EAP-IKEv2 thereby offers the security benefits of the exchanges > for authentication and key agreement of IKEv2 within the AAA > framework defined by the IETF. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-tschofenig-eap-ikev2-07.txt > > _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Thu Jul 21 05:56:10 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DvXmk-0007Wq-4Q for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:56:10 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA15984 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FD3204FC; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED951FE03; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:56:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A3D1FE03 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352A01FC41 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB6989852 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:55:15 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <42DDEFE8.7060008@piuha.net> From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-bersani-eap-psk-08.txt Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:32:08 +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : The EAP-PSK Protocol: a Pre-Shared Key EAP Method > Author(s) : H. 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It defines the contents of Proxy Authenticate Data for EAP. In L2TP terminology, a tunnel exists between a LAC-LNS pair and proxy Authenticate Data is forwarded from LAC to LNS, in order to allow LNS to pick up the EAP authentication where LAC left it off. Please see the appendix for the "possible configurations". It discusses the EAP peer behavior and EAP hand-off scneraios. Your thoughts and comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Mahesh > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:19:01 +0300 > From: Jari Arkko > To: eap@frascone.com > Subject: [eap] FW: I-D > ACTION:draft-kelkar-l2tpext-eap-proxy-authen-ext-00.txt > > FYI: > > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line > Internet-Drafts directories. > > > > > > Title : L2tp Proxy Authenticate Extensions for EAP > > Author(s) : M. 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http://www.superrefico.com/?u=artemych From eap-admin@frascone.com Fri Jul 29 19:10:14 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DydzZ-0003d1-TZ for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:10:14 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA15927 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3D0202BA; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8241F20278; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:10:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF2620278 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905B120266 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F5889832; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:09:43 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <42EAB73F.30303@piuha.net> From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] Issue 305: Appendix Cleanup References: <42DB81F4.2000103@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:09:51 +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks good to me. --Jari Bernard Aboba wrote: >>Ok for me. When integrating A & D to section 2, make >>sure the text represents these as examples (not >>normative). >> >> > >In working this through, I think it might be easier for now to combine A & >D into a single Appendix B. Here is a strawman: > >Appendix B - Example Transient Session Key (TSK) Derivation > > To date, PPP and IEEE 802.11 ciphersuites are suitable for keying by > EAP. This Appendix describes the keying requirements of common PPP > and 802.11 ciphersuites. > > PPP ciphersuites include DESEbis [RFC2419], 3DES [RFC2420], and MPPE > [RFC3078]. The DES algorithm is described in [FIPSDES], and DES > modes (such as CBC, used in [RFC2419] and DES-EDE3-CBC, used in > [RFC2420]) are described in [DESMODES]. For PPP DESEbis, a single > 56-bit encryption key is required, used in both directions. For PPP > 3DES, a 168-bit encryption key is needed, used in both directions. As > described in [RFC2419] for DESEbis and [RFC2420] for 3DES, the IV, > which is different in each direction, is "deduced from an explicit > 64-bit nonce, which is exchanged in the clear during the [ECP] > negotiation phase." There is therefore no need for the IV to be > provided by EAP. > > For MPPE, 40-bit, 56-bit or 128-bit encryption keys are required in > each direction, as described in [RFC3078]. No initialization vector > is required. > > While these PPP ciphersuites provide encryption, they do not provide > per-packet authentication or integrity protection, so an > authentication key is not required in either direction. > > Within [IEEE-802.11], Transient Session Keys (TSKs) are required both > for unicast traffic as well as for multicast traffic, and therefore > separate key hierarchies are required for unicast keys and multicast > keys. IEEE 802.11 ciphersuites include WEP-40, described in > [IEEE-802.11], which requires a 40-bit encryption key, the same in > either direction; and WEP-128, which requires a 104-bit encryption > key, the same in either direction. These ciphersuites also do not > support per-packet authentication and integrity protection. In > addition to these unicast keys, authentication and encryption keys > are required to wrap the multicast encryption key. > > Recently, new ciphersuites have been proposed for use with IEEE > 802.11 that provide per-packet authentication and integrity > protection as well as encryption [IEEE-802.11i]. These include TKIP, > which requires a single 128-bit encryption key and two 64-bit > authentication keys (one for each direction); and AES CCMP, which > requires a single 128-bit key (used in both directions) in order to > authenticate and encrypt data. > > As with WEP, authentication and encryption keys are also required to > wrap the multicast encryption (and possibly, authentication) keys. > > Within IEEE 802.11 RSN, the Pairwise Transient Key (PTK), a transient > session key used to protect unicast traffic, is derived from the PMK > (octets 0-31 of the MSK), known in [RFC2716] as the Peer to > Authenticator Encryption Key. In [IEEE-802.11i], the PTK is derived > from the PMK via the following formula: > > PTK = EAPOL-PRF-X(PMK, "Pairwise key expansion", Min(AA,SA) || > Max(AA, SA) || Min(ANonce,SNonce) || Max(ANonce,SNonce)) > > Where: > > PMK = AAA-Key(0,31) > SA = Station MAC address (Calling-Station-Id) > AA = Access Point MAC address (Called-Station-Id) > ANonce = Access Point Nonce > SNonce = Station Nonce > EAPOL-PRF-X = Pseudo-Random Function based on HMAC-SHA1, generating > a PTK of size X octets. > > TKIP uses X = 64, while CCMP, WRAP, and WEP use X = 48. > > The EAPOL-Key Confirmation Key (KCK) is used to provide data origin > authenticity in the TSK derivation. It utilizes the first 128 bits > (bits 0-127) of the PTK. The EAPOL-Key Encryption Key (KEK) provides > confidentiality in the TSK derivation. It utilizes bits 128-255 of > the PTK. Bits 256-383 of the PTK are used by Temporal Key 1, and Bits > 384-511 are used by Temporal Key 2. Usage of TK1 and TK2 is > ciphersuite specific. Details are available in [IEEE-802.11i] > > > > > _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Fri Jul 29 19:42:11 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DyeUV-0003yj-GI for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:42:11 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA16987 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A6A202BA; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEC220278; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:42:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF27202A2 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF64120278 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E43489832; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:41:28 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <42EABEB1.7050207@piuha.net> From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julien Bournelle Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] Clarifications on "Domino effect" References: <20050504130413.GY4651@ipv6-3.int-evry.fr> In-Reply-To: <20050504130413.GY4651@ipv6-3.int-evry.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:41:37 +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Going through the still open issues... > In RFC4017, the Domino effect is described: > > This text is also in keying-08. > "Compromise of a single authenticator cannot compromise any other part > of the system, including session keys and long-term secrets." > > Does this finally imply that the authenticator MUST not provide keys to > other entity ? > > Intuitively, this text may be too broad. An EAP peer, for instance, is a part of "the system", and its traffic at least would be compromised if its authenticator got compromised. And any new EAP peer connecting to the compromised authenticator would also have its traffic exposed. Similarly, the AAA nodes are affected, because they have a secure connection to a compromised node. I think what we mean is that when one authenticator is compromised, this does not lead to: o Compromise of long-term secrets in EAP peers, AAA servers, and other authenticators. o Compromise of session keys other than those associated with a session where the compromised authenticator is or will be a part of. o Ability of the authenticator to claim to be another authenticator or to offer another type of service when communicating with EAP peers. --Jari _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Fri Jul 29 22:45:09 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DyhLZ-0005Am-Lw for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:45:09 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA25337 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B3E202C9; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02F8202A6; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:45:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC12202A6 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC0520278 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DyhKn-0007e4-3b for eap@frascone.com; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:44:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j6U2iJk32039 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:44:20 -0700 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba From: Bernard Aboba To: eap@frascone.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Re: Issue 302: Clarifications on the "Domino Effect" Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:44:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) A number of questions have arisen relating to this and other requirements. Previously all we had had for reference was RFC 4017, which was based on Russ Housley's presentation at IETF 56. Now in addition we have an I-D entitled "AAA Key Management": http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-housley-aaa-key-mgmt-00.txt Here what this document says about the Domino Effect: "Compromise of a single authenticator MUST NOT compromise any other part of the system, especially session keys and long-term keys. There are many implications of this requirement; however, two implication deserves highlighting. First, an authenticator MUST NOT share any keying material with another authenticator. Second, the scope of the authenticator needs to be defined and understood by all parties that communicate with it." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Issue 302: Clarifications on the "Domino Effect" Submitter name: Julien Bournelle Submitter email address: julien.bournelle@int-evry.fr Date first submitted: 5/4/2005 Reference: http://mail.frascone.com/pipermail/eap/2005-May/003390.html Document: KEYING-06 Comment type: T Priority: S Section: Various Rationale/Explanation of issue In RFC4017, the Domino effect is described: "Compromise of a single authenticator cannot compromise any other part of the system, including session keys and long-term secrets." Does this finally imply that the authenticator MUST not provide keys to other entity ? _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Sat Jul 30 00:21:10 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DyiqT-0006pb-RC for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:21:10 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA29533 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CAE62034C; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA9B202AD; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:21:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C183202AD for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E97320278 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF03E89832; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:20:55 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <42EB0030.9080005@piuha.net> From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] Re: Issue 302: Clarifications on the "Domino Effect" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:21:04 +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bernard Aboba wrote: >Second, the scope of the authenticator needs to >be defined and understood by all parties that communicate with it." > > Does this include the ability to avoid a situation where scope to party A (the peer) != scope to party B (AAA)? Or does it matter? _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Sat Jul 30 00:24:09 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DyitN-0007Mb-Mh for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:24:09 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA29615 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6EA320353; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD311202AD; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:24:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D919202AD for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC8220278 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DyisI-000N6k-SN for eap@frascone.com; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:23:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j6U4N1s05307 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:23:01 -0700 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba From: Bernard Aboba To: eap@frascone.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Re: Issue 302: Clarifications on the "Domino Effect" Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:23:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) The proposed resolution is to summarize the security requirements from draft-housley-aaa-key-mgmt-00.txt in the key management document. In Section 6.2, change: " In order to address these threats, [Housley] describes the mandatory system security properties: Algorithm independence Wherever cryptographic algorithms are chosen, the algorithms must be negotiable, in order to provide resilient against compromise of a particular algorithm. Algorithm independence must be demonstrated within all aspects of the system, including within EAP, AAA and the Secure Association Protocol. However, for interoperability, at least one suite of algorithms MUST be implemented. Strong, fresh session keys Session keys must be demonstrated to be strong and fresh in all circumstances, while at the same time retaining algorithm independence. Replay protection All protocol exchanges must be replay protected. This includes exchanges within EAP, AAA, and the Secure Association Protocol. Authentication All parties need to be authenticated. The confidentiality of the authenticator must be maintained. No plaintext passwords are allowed. Authorization EAP peer and authenticator authorization must be performed. Session keys Confidentiality of session keys must be maintained. Ciphersuite negotiation The selection of the "best" ciphersuite must be securely confirmed. Unique naming Session keys must be uniquely named. Domino effect Compromise of a single authenticator cannot compromise any other part of the system, including session keys and long-term secrets. Key binding The key must be bound to the appropriate context." to: " In order to address these threats, [Housley] describes the mandatory system security properties: Cryptographic algorithm independence The AAA key management protocol MUST be cryptographic algorithm independent. However, an EAP method MAY depend on a specific cryptographic algorithm. The ability to negotiate the use of a particular cryptographic algorithm provides resilience against compromise of a particular cryptographic algorithm. The AAA protocol MUST be algorithm independent, both in terms of its own security mechanisms as well as mechanisms supported for user authentication. Algorithm independence is also REQUIRED with a Secure Association Protocol if one is defined. This is usually accomplished by including an algorithm identifier in the protocol, and by specifying the algorithm requirements in the protocol specification. For interoperability, at least one suite of mandatory-to-implement algorithms MUST be selected. Strong, fresh session keys While preserving algorithm independence, session keys MUST be strong and fresh. Each session deserves an independent session key. Fresh keys are required even when a long replay counter (that is, one that "will never wrap") is used to ensure that loss of state does not cause the same counter value to be used more than once with the same session key. Some EAP methods are capable of deriving keys of varying strength, and these EAP methods MUST permit the generation of keys meeting a minimum equivalent key strength as defined in [RFC3766]. A fresh cryptographic key is one that is generated specifically for the intended use. In this situation, a post-EAP handshake is used to establish session keys. Thus, the AAA protocol and EAP method MUST ensure that the keying material supplied as an input to session key derivation is fresh, and the post-EAP handshake MUST generate a separate session key for each session, even if the keying material provided by EAP is cached. Further, the keys MUST NOT be dependent on one another. That is, disclosure of one session key does not aid the attacker in discovering any other session keys. Key scope Limitation Follow the principle of least privilege. Parties MUST NOT have access to keying material that is not needed to perform their own role. A party has access to a particular key if it has access to all of the secret information needed to derive it. If a post-EAP handshake is used to establish session keys, the post-EAP handshake MUST specify the scope for session keys. Replay detection mechanism The AAA key management protocol exchanges MUST be replay protected, including AAA, EAP and Secure Association Protocol exchanges. Replay protection allows a protocol message recipient to discard any message that was recorded during a previous legitimate dialogue and presented as though it belonged to the current dialogue. Authenticate all parties Each party in the AAA key management protocol MUST be authenticated to the other parties with whom it communicates. Authentication mechanisms MUST maintain the confidentiality of any secret values used in the authentication process. A post-EAP handshake is used to establish session keys, and the parties involved in the post-EAP handshake MUST identify themselves using identities that are meaninful in the lower layer protocol environment that will employ the session keys. No Cleartext Passwords Authentication mechanisms MUST NOT employ plaintext passwords. Peer and authenticator authorization Peer and authenticator authorization MUST be performed. Authorization is REQUIRED whenever a peer associates with a new authenticator. The authorization checking prevents an elevation of privilege attack, and it ensures that an unauthorized authenticator is detected. Authorizations SHOULD be synchronized between the EAP peer, server, authenticator. Once the AAA key management protocol exchanges are complete, all of these parties should hold view of the authorizations associated the other parties. Keying material confidentiality While preserving algorithm independence, confidentiality of all keying material MUST be maintained. Confirm ciphersuite selection The selection of the "best" ciphersuite MUST be securely confirmed. The mechanism MUST detect attempted roll back attacks. Uniquely name keys AAA key management proposals require a robust key naming scheme, particularly where key caching is supported. Objects that cannot be named cannot be managed. All keys MUST be uniquely named, and the key name MUST NOT be based on the keying material itself. Prevent the Domino effect Compromise of a single authenticator MUST NOT compromise any other part of the system, especially session keys and long-term keys. There are many implications of this requirement; however, two implication deserves highlighting. First, an authenticator MUST NOT share any keying material with another authenticator. Second, the scope of the authenticator needs to be defined and understood by all parties that communicate with it. Bind key to its context Keying material MUST be bound to the appropriate context. Acceptable solutions SHOULD meet all of these requirements as well: Confidentiality of Identity In many environments it is important to provide confidentiality protection for identities. However, this is not important in other environments. For this reason, EAP methods SHOULD provide a mechanism for identity protection of EAP peers, but such protection is not a requirement. Authorization Restriction If peer authorization is restricted, then the peer SHOULD be made aware of the restriction." On Fri, 29 Jul 2005, Bernard Aboba wrote: > A number of questions have arisen relating to this and other requirements. > Previously all we had had for reference was RFC 4017, which was based > on Russ Housley's presentation at IETF 56. > > Now in addition we have an I-D entitled "AAA Key Management": > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-housley-aaa-key-mgmt-00.txt > > Here what this document says about the Domino Effect: > > "Compromise of a single authenticator MUST NOT compromise any > other part of the system, especially session keys and long-term > keys. There are many implications of this requirement; > however, two implication deserves highlighting. First, an > authenticator MUST NOT share any keying material with another > authenticator. Second, the scope of the authenticator needs to > be defined and understood by all parties that communicate with it." > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Issue 302: Clarifications on the "Domino Effect" > Submitter name: Julien Bournelle > Submitter email address: julien.bournelle@int-evry.fr > Date first submitted: 5/4/2005 > Reference: http://mail.frascone.com/pipermail/eap/2005-May/003390.html > Document: KEYING-06 > Comment type: T > Priority: S > Section: Various > Rationale/Explanation of issue > In RFC4017, the Domino effect is described: > > "Compromise of a single authenticator cannot compromise any other part > of the system, including session keys and long-term secrets." > > Does this finally imply that the authenticator MUST not provide keys to > other entity ? > > _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Sat Jul 30 00:36:09 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dyj4z-0001vH-8g for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:36:09 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA29944 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724B820353; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12495202AD; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:36:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31308202AD for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B7320278 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1Dyj4g-000P1T-SJ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:35:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j6U4Zns06285; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:35:49 -0700 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba From: Bernard Aboba To: Jari Arkko Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] Re: Issue 302: Clarifications on the "Domino Effect" In-Reply-To: <42EB0030.9080005@piuha.net> Message-ID: References: <42EB0030.9080005@piuha.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:35:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Jari Arkko wrote: > >Second, the scope of the authenticator needs to > >be defined and understood by all parties that communicate with it." > > > Does this include the ability to avoid a situation > where scope to party A (the peer) != scope to > party B (AAA)? Or does it matter? Good question. I think "all parties" does include the EAP peer, authentication and AAA server in this case. Where key caching is supported, at the lower layer, the peer and authenticator need to identify each other, so that they can be in sync with respect to the scope of the EAP keying material cached in the lower layer. The AAA server needs to know the authenticator identity so that it can authorize the transport of keying material. Since an authenticator can have more than one IP address, the NAS-Identifier attribute is the best choice for this (as opposed to NAS-IP-Address and/or NAS-IPv6-Address). 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If you prefer to be left out of this amazing offer go here. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_LSJXYEIF.DZRBGQPJ-- From eap-admin@frascone.com Sat Jul 30 13:10:10 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dyuqg-0006vs-6a for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:10:10 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA19695 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8108520377; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E869E20368; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:10:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A95120368 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D5F202C9 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4B089854; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:09:40 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <42EB9347.6050203@piuha.net> From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com, Bernard Aboba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] issue 299: key cache structure Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:48:39 +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another open issue: >Currently, EAP lower layers such as 802.11i implement a key cache on the >EAP peer and authenticator. No current AAA server implementation includes >support for a key cache. > >At IETF 62 we discussed some of the implications of this. In particular, >was it a good thing for EAP lowers to maintain their own key caches, or >should a cache also exist within the EAP layer? > >During the meeting, Sam Hartman suggested that there were significant >security advantages to the existing architecture. In today's >implementations, there is no key cache in the EAP layer. Once the EAP >method completes and passes up exported keys, they are provided to the >lower layer and are no longer available to the EAP layer. > >Some of the implications of this include the following: > >a. EAP does not support sharing of keys between lower layers. In the >existing architecture once keys are passed down to the lower layer they >cannot be retrieved. This implies that keys are provided to the lower >layer over which EAP runs, and no other application can obtain them. This >prevents compromise of one lower layer from compromising other >applications using EAP keying material. > >b. The cache structure is defined by the lower layer. As has been >discussed, EAP itself does not negotiate a key lifetime and EAP methods >also may not negotiate this. As a result, the key lifetime and key >caching behavior will typically be handled solely within the lower layer. >While keys derived between the EAP peer and server are not inherently >bound to a particular interface, the lower layer may impose additional >usage restrictions on keys. For example, it may state that a peer may >only use derived keys on the interface over which EAP was run. > This all makes sense. I would suggest adding text starting from "Some of the implications ..." to end of Section 4.1. >One additional issue to think through is the implication for EAP key >naming. If only the lower layer obtaining the keys can use them, then >there may be no reason why the lower layer can't implement its >own key naming scheme. > > Right, and they have. This puts the following text under suspicion: (Section 7.2) Key naming In order to ensure against confusion between the appropriate keying material to be used in a given Secure Association Protocol exchange, the AAA-Token SHOULD include explicit key names and context appropriate for informing the authenticator how the keying material is to be used. And Section 1.3.2 may need a note saying that the suggested key naming scheme for other quantities than the EMSK is provided as an example, and lower layers may employ other means of key identification. >The only issue that might arise is if the AAA server needs to maintain its >own key cache in a future extension. In terms of key management, AAA >functions like another EAP lower layer, so that it can maintain its own >cache. However, AAA may be used by multiple applications so that the peer >might have lower layer specific caches and key names while the server >would have a single unified cache and therefore might require a unified >key name. This seems like it could become a problem. > As far as I can see, the interoperability requirements for this dictate that either (a) the lower layers are sharing the same key, which would be bad, or (b) everyone's aware that they are using the "multiapp aaa keys". If the latter are based on quantities such as the EMSK and we have named that, then there is no problem. Makes sense? Btw, parts of the document talk about key caching without taking into account that we can have methods that do fast reconnect and other things that require caching state at the method layer. For instance, in Section 4.1: In existing implementations, key caching may be supported on the EAP peer and authenticator but not on the backend server. should probably read Key caching may be supported on the EAP peer and authenticator but not on the backend server (except at the EAP method layer). --Jari _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Sat Jul 30 17:59:13 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DyzMN-0004jg-8B for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:59:13 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA01039 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F8F203A0; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F7C20392; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:59:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D9820392 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929872038E for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DyzLk-000HFM-8t; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:58:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j6ULwTl07214; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:58:30 -0700 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba From: Bernard Aboba To: Jari Arkko Cc: eap@frascone.com In-Reply-To: <42EB9347.6050203@piuha.net> Message-ID: References: <42EB9347.6050203@piuha.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Re: issue 299: key cache structure Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:58:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) > >a. EAP does not support sharing of keys between lower layers. In the > >existing architecture once keys are passed down to the lower layer they > >cannot be retrieved. This implies that keys are provided to the lower > >layer over which EAP runs, and no other application can obtain them. This > >prevents compromise of one lower layer from compromising other > >applications using EAP keying material. > > > >b. The cache structure is defined by the lower layer. As has been > >discussed, EAP itself does not negotiate a key lifetime and EAP methods > >also may not negotiate this. As a result, the key lifetime and key > >caching behavior will typically be handled solely within the lower layer. > >While keys derived between the EAP peer and server are not inherently > >bound to a particular interface, the lower layer may impose additional > >usage restrictions on keys. For example, it may state that a peer may > >only use derived keys on the interface over which EAP was run. > > > This all makes sense. I would suggest adding text starting > from "Some of the implications ..." to end of Section 4.1. Here is a rewrite of Section 4.1. What do you think? "4.1. Key Caching Where explicitly supported by the lower layer, the EAP peer and authenticator lower layers MAY cache the exported EAP keying parameters and/or TSKs. The structure of this key cache is defined by the lower layer. Unless explicitly specified by the lower layer, the EAP peer, server and authenticator MUST assume that peers and authenticators do not cache exported EAP keying parameters or TSKs. Once keying parameters exported by the EAP method are passed down to the lower layer, they cannot be retrieved or transported to another entity. This implies that sharing of exported EAP keying parameters between EAP lower layers is forbidden. This prevents compromise of one lower layer from compromising other applications using EAP keying parameters. The exception to the "no sharing" rule is the AAA layer. On EAP server, keying material passed down to the AAA layer may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be maintained. In existing AAA server implementations, all exported EAP keying parameters (including the MSK, EMSK and IV) as well as derived keys are not cached and MUST be presumed lost after EAP authentication completes: [1] In order to avoid key reuse, on the EAP server, transported keys are deleted once they are sent. An EAP server MUST NOT retain keys that it has previously sent to the authenticator. For example, an EAP server that has transported the MSK MUST delete it, and no keys may be derived from the MSK from that point forward by the server. [2] Keying parameters which are not transported, such as the EMSK, are also deleted by existing AAA implementations. EAP does not support key lifetime negotiation and EAP methods also may not support this. As a result, the key lifetime and key caching behavior is typically defined within the lower layer. While EAP keying material exported by the EAP peer and server are not inherently bound to a port, the lower layer may impose additional usage restrictions on derived keying material. For example, a lower layer may require that a peer only use derived keying material on the interface over which EAP was run." > >One additional issue to think through is the implication for EAP key > >naming. If only the lower layer obtaining the keys can use them, then > >there may be no reason why the lower layer can't implement its > >own key naming scheme.> > > > > Right, and they have. This puts the following text under > suspicion: > > (Section 7.2) > Key naming > In order to ensure against confusion between the appropriate keying > material to be used in a given Secure Association Protocol > exchange, the AAA-Token SHOULD include explicit key names and > context appropriate for informing the authenticator how the keying > material is to be used. I think we need to revisit much of Section 7, but I agree that this text is suspicious. > And Section 1.3.2 may need a note saying > that the suggested key naming scheme for other quantities than the EMSK > is provided as an example, and lower layers may employ other means of > key identification. While the AAA key management document says that key names can't be derived from the keys themselves, this still leaves other mechanisms for key naming. For example, IEEE 802.16e D7 included the Session-ID in its key naming scheme. D8 removed it (because existing AAA servers do not replicate this parameter), but as I recall, the new scheme isn't based on a hash of the key. > >The only issue that might arise is if the AAA server needs to maintain its > >own key cache in a future extension. In terms of key management, AAA > >functions like another EAP lower layer, so that it can maintain its own > >cache. However, AAA may be used by multiple applications so that the peer > >might have lower layer specific caches and key names while the server > >would have a single unified cache and therefore might require a unified > >key name. This seems like it could become a problem. > > > As far as I can see, the interoperability requirements for > this dictate that either (a) the lower layers are sharing > the same key, which would be bad, or (b) everyone's aware > that they are using the "multiapp aaa keys". If the latter > are based on quantities such as the EMSK and we have > named that, then there is no problem. Makes sense? The schemes involving AAA key caching that have been suggested so far seem to all involve a NAS requesting a key from the AAA server. In "Key Request" schemes, as I recall the peer contacts a prospective NAS and indicates a desire to use a key from a previous EAP conversation which is presumably cached on the AAA server. In order for such a request to succeed both the AAA server and EAP peer need to use the same naming scheme. While the peer lower layer can devise its own key name, I don't see how the AAA server could come up with the same name unless it were modified for each new lower layer that comes along. This seems like a bad idea, from a maintenance point of view. Whereas if both the AAA server and peer use the Session-ID as the naming mechanism, new applications can be invented without changing the AAA cache structure. If applications are using "multiap aaa keys" based on the EMSK and use the Session-ID to name them, then I think this solves the problem, assuming that the application is clear about exactly which type of AMSK it wants retrieved. In terms of "lower layer key sharing" I think there may be a distinction between sharing keys on the same entity (e.g. multihomed peer shares keys between media A and media B) and allowing multiple media to make use of the AAA server key cache. As an example, the "pre-emptive keying" proposal by Bill Arbaugh allowed keying material derived from the same EAP conversation to be sent to multiple media. However, the keys were cryptographically independent, so that compromise over one media would not lead to compromise over another media. So if each media uses a different AMSK, I am not sure that sharing a AAA key cache should be forbidden. > Btw, parts of the document talk about key caching without taking > into account that we can have methods that do fast reconnect > and other things that require caching state at the method > layer. For instance, in Section 4.1: > > In existing implementations, key caching may be supported on the EAP > peer and authenticator but not on the backend server. > > should probably read > > Key caching may be supported on the EAP peer and > authenticator but not on the backend server (except at > the EAP method layer). The problem here is that the original text is not sufficiently explicit. Instead of talking about "keying material" it needs to indicate that the restriction only refers to caching of exported EAP keying parameters within the lower layer (not to caching of other keying material in the EAP method layer). _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Sat Jul 30 18:39:10 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dyzz4-0004Od-7H for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:39:10 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03453 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97981203E7; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6842039F; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:39:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28AFF2039F for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C88320392 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DyzyB-00018U-43 for eap@frascone.com; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:38:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j6UMcD109609 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:38:14 -0700 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba From: Bernard Aboba To: eap@frascone.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Issue 294: Rewrite of Security Considerations and Requirements Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:38:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) This is a fairly big issue (probably will need to split into several issues to resolve it), but now that we have the AAA Key Mgmt. document, it is possible to evaluate whether existing EAP usage satisfies the requirements. Here is a list of the requirements from draft-housley-aaa-key-mgmt-00.txt: MANDATORY 1. Cryptographic algorithm independence 2. Strong, fresh session keys 3. Key scope limitation 4. Replay protection 5. Authenticate all parties 6. Peer and authenticator authorization 7. Keying material confidentialitiy 8. Confirm ciphersuite selection 9. Uniquely name keys 10. Prevent the domino effect 11. Bind the key to its context RECOMMENDED 12. Confidentiality of identity 13. Authorization restriction Below find detailed notes on EAP usage over various media: A. PPP B. 802.1X-2004 C. IEEE 802.11i My overall take is that PPP and 802.1X-2004 do not meet quite a few of the security criteria. If these protocols were to be used over shared media (e.g. PPPOE over wireless) or an attacker can snoop backend RADIUS traffic, some fairly serious security vulnerabilities would result. However, in other scenarios (e.g. wired switched infrastructure with RADIUS/IPsec and no proxies) the deficiencies may not be so bad. Here are the details of the assessment: A. EAP over PPP [RFC3748] 1. PPP with ECP can negotiate multiple cryptographic algorithms. Diameter and RADIUS over IPsec can also negotiate multiple algorithms (naked RADIUS cannot). 2. Given a suitable EAP method, strong fresh session keys can be derived. This is also true for Diameter or RADIUS over IPsec. RADIUS by itself uses a long-term secret that is not fresh. 3. There is no key caching in PPP, so I think that key scope is not an issue. 4. PPP ciphersuites typically support replay but not integrity protection. If an EAP method supports replay and integrity this requirement is satisfied for the EAP exchange at least. 5. PPP does not support mutual authentication of the peer and authenticator. If a suitable EAP method is chosen, mutual authentication between the EAP peer and server is supported. 6. PPP does not support a post-EAP exchange, so I don't think authorization is provided. 7. Assuming that there are no RADIUS proxies or Diameter EAP is used with re-direct, key confidentiality can be supported. 8. PPP ECP does not support secure confirmation of the "best" ciphersuite. 9. PPP does not support key naming, but since it does not support key caching, I'm not clear that this is really required. 10. PPP doesn't share keying material between authenticators. So I think this requirement is satisfied, no? 11. PPP doesn't support a post-EAP exchange, so I think that the binding requirement isn't satisfied. 12. If an EAP method supporting Identity privacy is selected, this requirement can be satisfied. 13. Since PPP doesn't support a post-EAP exchange, there is no way to synchronize authorizations. However, since key caching is not supported I'm not clear this is a big issue. B. EAP over 802.1X-2004 1. In wired 802.1X there are no ciphersuites used to protect data, so negotiation of multiple algorithms is not relevant. 2. Given a suitable EAP method, strong fresh session keys can be derived. 3. There is no key caching in wired 802.1X, so I think that key scope is not an issue. 4. Since there are no ciphersuites, I don't think replay protection is an issue, assuming that the EAP method supports replay protection. 5. 802.1X-2004 does not support mutual authentication of the peer and authenticator. If a suitable EAP method is chosen, mutual authentication between the EAP peer and server is supported. 6. 802.1X-2004 does not support a post-EAP exchange, so I don't think authorization is provided. 7. Assuming that there are no RADIUS proxies or Diameter EAP is used with re-direct, key confidentiality can be supported. 8. 802.1X-2004 does not support secure confirmation of the "best" ciphersuite. 9. 802.1X-2004 does not support key naming, but since it does not support key caching, I'm not clear that this is really required. 10. 802.1X-2004 doesn't share keying material between authenticators. So I think this requirement is satisfied, no? 11. 802.1X-2004 doesn't support a post-EAP exchange, so I think that the binding requirement isn't satisfied. 12. If an EAP method supporting Identity privacy is selected, this requirement can be satisfied. 13. Since 802.1X-2004 doesn't support a post-EAP exchange, there is no way to synchronize authorizations. However, since key caching is not supported I'm not clear this is a big issue. C. EAP over IEEE 802.11i 1. IEEE 802.11i supports ciphersuite negotiation. 2. Given a suitable EAP method, strong fresh session keys can be derived. 3. IEEE 802.11i does not synchronize the key scope, since the authenticator knows the scope, but the peer does not. 4. IEEE 802.11i does support replay protection on all ciphersuites (TKIP, AES CCMP). 5. IEEE 802.11i supports mutual authentication of the peer and authenticator in the 4-way handshake. RFC 4017 reuqires selection of an EAP method supporting mutual authentication between the EAP peer and server. 6. IEEE 802.11i does synchronize some aspects of authorization in the 4-way handshake. However, without management frame protection other aspects may not be synchronized (e.g. an error in the Association-Response or Reassociation-Response cannot be verified). 7. Assuming that there are no RADIUS proxies or Diameter EAP is used with re-direct, key confidentiality can be supported. 8. IEEE 802.11i securely verifies selection of the "best" ciphersuite. 9. IEEE 802.11i supports key naming (e.g. PMKID) but it is based on a hash of the key name. 10. IEEE 802.11i doesn't share keying material between authenticators. 11. IEEE 802.11i doesn't provide a complete key binding because the peer doesn't know the authenticator identity and the key lifetime isn't synchronized. 12. If an EAP method supporting Identity privacy is selected, this requirement can be satisfied. 13. IEEE 802.11i does require that authorizations be part of the PMKSA, which prevents elevation of privilege. _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Sat Jul 30 19:09:25 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dz0SL-0001rA-HH for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:09:25 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA04119 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F6520429; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12D0203A0; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:09:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EE6203A0 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1235B2039F for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1Dz0R9-0007EU-K3 for eap@frascone.com; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:08:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j6UN8Ao11347 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:08:10 -0700 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba From: Bernard Aboba To: eap@frascone.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Issue 307: Rewrite of Section 7, Security Requirements Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:08:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Issue 307: Rewrite of Section 7, Security Requirements Submitter name: Bernard Aboba Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com Date first submitted: 3/31/2005 Reference: Document: KEYING-07 Comment type: T Priority: S Section: 7 Rationale/Explanation of issue Section 7 consists of requirements on EAP methods, AAA protocols, Secure Association Protocols and Ciphersuites that is in no way tied back to the security requirements and threat model. One is left to wonder whether these "requirements" were developed out of thin air, or whether there is any basis/justification for them. Here is a reprint of what is in Section 7 currently. At this point, much of it appears redundant, or seems to belong elsewhere in the document. From what I can see, the document wouldn't suffer that much if the entire section were deleted and the important parts found a home elsewhere. Am I missing something? 7. Security Requirements This section summarizes the security requirements that must be met by EAP methods, AAA protocols, Secure Association Protocols and Ciphersuites in order to address the security threats described in this document. These requirements MUST be met by specifications requesting publication as an RFC. Each requirement provides a pointer to the sections of this document describing the threat that it mitigates. [BA] I think the intent is to describe the security properties that EAP extensions and/or AAA key management schemes require. But isn't that what draft-housley-aaa-key-mgmt is attempting to do? If so, why duplicate that here? 7.1. EAP Method Requirements It is possible for the peer and EAP server to mutually authenticate and derive keys. In order to provide keying material for use in a subsequently negotiated ciphersuite, an EAP method supporting key derivation MUST export a Master Session Key (MSK) of at least 64 octets, and an Extended Master Session Key (EMSK) of at least 64 octets. EAP Methods deriving keys MUST provide for mutual authentication between the EAP peer and the EAP Server. [BA] Isn't this already in [RFC3748]? The MSK and EMSK MUST NOT be used directly to protect data; however, they are of sufficient size to enable derivation of a AAA-Key subsequently used to derive Transient Session Keys (TSKs) for use with the selected ciphersuite. Each ciphersuite is responsible for specifying how to derive the TSKs from the AAA-Key. The AAA-Key is derived from the keying material exported by the EAP method (MSK and EMSK). This derivation occurs on the AAA server. In many existing protocols that use EAP, the AAA-Key and MSK are equivalent, but more complicated mechanisms are possible. [BA] Some of this seems useful, but why does it belong in this section? EAP methods SHOULD ensure the freshness of the MSK and EMSK even in cases where one party may not have a high quality random number generator. A RECOMMENDED method is for each party to provide a nonce of at least 128 bits, used in the derivation of the MSK and EMSK. [BA] Isn't this in [RFC3748] too? EAP methods export the MSK and EMSK and not Transient Session Keys so as to allow EAP methods to be ciphersuite and media independent. Keying material exported by EAP methods MUST be independent of the ciphersuite negotiated to protect data. Depending on the lower layer, EAP methods may run before or after ciphersuite negotiation, so that the selected ciphersuite may not be known to the EAP method. By providing keying material usable with any ciphersuite, EAP methods can used with a wide range of ciphersuites and media. [BA] This seems to duplicate the "ciphersuite independence" discussion. Recommend it be moved there or deleted. It is RECOMMENDED that methods providing integrity protection of EAP packets include coverage of all the EAP header fields, including the Code, Identifier, Length, Type and Type-Data fields. [BA] [RFC3748] discusses this issue -- I think this can be deleted. In order to preserve algorithm independence, EAP methods deriving keys SHOULD support (and document) the protected negotiation of the ciphersuite used to protect the EAP conversation between the peer and server. This is distinct from the ciphersuite negotiated between the peer and authenticator, used to protect data. [BA] [RFC3748] discusses this issue -- I think this can be deleted. The strength of Transient Session Keys (TSKs) used to protect data is ultimately dependent on the strength of keys generated by the EAP method. If an EAP method cannot produce keying material of sufficient strength, then the TSKs may be subject to brute force attack. In order to enable deployments requiring strong keys, EAP methods supporting key derivation SHOULD be capable of generating an MSK and EMSK, each with an effective key strength of at least 128 bits. [BA] I don't think this adds much value either. Methods supporting key derivation MUST demonstrate cryptographic separation between the MSK and EMSK branches of the EAP key hierarchy. Without violating a fundamental cryptographic assumption (such as the non-invertibility of a one-way function) an attacker recovering the MSK or EMSK MUST NOT be able to recover the other quantity with a level of effort less than brute force. Non-overlapping substrings of the MSK MUST be cryptographically separate from each other. That is, knowledge of one substring MUST NOT help in recovering some other non-overlapping substring without breaking some hard cryptographic assumption. This is required because some existing ciphersuites form TSKs by simply splitting the AAA-Key to pieces of appropriate length. Likewise, non-overlapping substrings of the EMSK MUST be cryptographically separate from each other, and from substrings of the MSK. The EMSK MUST NOT be transported to, or shared with, additional parties. [BA] These paragraphs do seem useful. But why do they belong here? Since EAP does not provide for explicit key lifetime negotiation, EAP peers, authenticators and authentication servers MUST be prepared for situations in which one of the parties discards key state which remains valid on another party. [BA] This probably belongs in the key management section 4. The development and validation of key derivation algorithms is difficult, and as a result EAP methods SHOULD reuse well established and analyzed mechanisms for MSK and EMSK key derivation (such as those specified in IKE [RFC2409] or TLS [RFC2246]), rather than inventing new ones. [BA] Isn't this in [RFC3748] as well? 7.1.1. Requirements for EAP methods In order for an EAP method to meet the guidelines for EMSK usage it must meet the following requirements: o It MUST specify how to derive the EMSK o The key material used for the EMSK MUST be computationally independent of the MSK and TEKs. o The EMSK MUST NOT be used for any other purpose than the key derivation described in this document. [BA] The key derivation has been removed, so this needs to be revised. o The EMSK MUST be secret and not known to someone observing the authentication mechanism protocol exchange. o The EMSK MUST NOT be exported from the EAP server. o The EMSK MUST be unique for each session. o The EAP mechanism SHOULD use a unique identifier suitable for naming the EMSK. [BA] I think the key naming section takes care of this. 7.1.2. Requirements for EAP applications In order for an application to meet the guidelines for EMSK usage it must meet the following requirements: o New applications following this specification SHOULD NOT use the MSK. If more than one application uses the MSK, then the cryptographic separation is not achieved. Implementations SHOULD prevent such combinations. [BA] Does this still belong here? o A peer MUST NOT use the EMSK directly for cryptographic protection of data. [BA] This one does seem important. 7.2. AAA Protocol Requirements AAA protocols suitable for use in transporting EAP MUST provide the following facilities: Security services AAA protocols used for transport of EAP keying material MUST implement and SHOULD use per-packet integrity and authentication, replay protection and confidentiality. These requirements are met by Diameter EAP [I-D.ietf-aaa-eap], as well as RADIUS over IPsec [RFC3579]. Session Keys AAA protocols used for transport of EAP keying material MUST implement and SHOULD use dynamic key management in order to derive fresh session keys, as in Diameter EAP [I-D.ietf-aaa-eap] and RADIUS over IPsec [RFC3579], rather than using a static key, as originally defined in RADIUS [RFC2865]. [BA] This seems excessive. RADIUS over IPsec is a SHOULD in [RFC3579]. Isn't that enough? Mutual authentication AAA protocols used for transport of EAP keying material MUST provide for mutual authentication between the authenticator and backend authentication server. These requirements are met by Diameter EAP [I-D.ietf-aaa-eap] as well as by RADIUS EAP [RFC3579]. Authorization AAA protocols used for transport of EAP keying material SHOULD provide protection against rogue authenticators masquerading as other authenticators. This can be accomplished, for example, by requiring that AAA agents check the source address of packets against the origin attributes (Origin-Host AVP in Diameter, NAS-IP- Address, NAS-IPv6-Address, NAS-Identifier in RADIUS). For details, see [RFC3579] Section 4.3.7. Key transport Since EAP methods do not export Transient Session Keys (TSKs) in order to maintain media and ciphersuite independence, the AAA server MUST NOT transport TSKs from the backend authentication server to authenticator. Key transport specification In order to enable backend authentication servers to provide keying material to the authenticator in a well defined format, AAA protocols suitable for use with EAP MUST define the format and wrapping of the AAA-Token. [BA] This seems to be belaboring the obvious. How can AAA protocols transport keys without defining their format? EMSK transport Since the EMSK is a secret known only to the backend authentication server and peer, the AAA-Token MUST NOT transport the EMSK from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. [BA] This seems to belong in the earlier section relating to EMSK usage. AAA-Token protection To ensure against compromise, the AAA-Token MUST be integrity protected, authenticated, replay protected and encrypted in transit, using well-established cryptographic algorithms. [BA] This seems redundant with the "security services" requirement above. Session Keys The AAA-Token SHOULD be protected with session keys as in Diameter [RFC3588] or RADIUS over IPsec [RFC3579] rather than static keys, as in [RFC2548]. [BA] I think this is redundant with the earlier session key paragraph. Key naming In order to ensure against confusion between the appropriate keying material to be used in a given Secure Association Protocol exchange, the AAA-Token SHOULD include explicit key names and context appropriate for informing the authenticator how the keying material is to be used. [BA] Jari questioned this one earlier. Do we need this? Key Compromise Where untrusted intermediaries are present, the AAA-Token SHOULD NOT be provided to the intermediaries. In Diameter, handling of keys by intermediaries can be avoided using Redirect functionality [RFC3588]. [BA] This probably belongs in the security considerations section rather than here. 7.3. Secure Association Protocol Requirements [BA] This section seems redundant with an earlier discussion of what the Secure Association Protocol does (Section 2). I think it should either be combined with that, or deleted. The Secure Association Protocol supports the following: Entity Naming The peer and authenticator SHOULD identify themselves in a manner that is independent of their attached ports. Mutual proof of possession The peer and authenticator MUST each demonstrate possession of the keying material transported between the backend authentication server and authenticator (AAA-Key). Key Naming The Secure Association Protocol MUST explicitly name the keys used in the proof of possession exchange, so as to prevent confusion when more than one set of keying material could potentially be used as the basis for the exchange. [BA] This seems to overlap with the Housley document. Creation and Deletion In order to support the correct processing of phase 2 security associations, the Secure Association (phase 2) protocol MUST support the naming of phase 2 security associations and associated transient session keys, so that the correct set of transient session keys can be identified for processing a given packet. The phase 2 Secure Association Protocol also MUST support transient session key activation and SHOULD support deletion, so that establishment and re-establishment of transient session keys can be synchronized between the parties Integrity and Replay Protection The Secure Association Protocol MUST support integrity and replay protection of all messages. [BA] Again, draft-housley already says this. Direct operation Since the phase 2 Secure Association Protocol is concerned with the establishment of security associations between the EAP peer and authenticator, including the derivation of transient session keys, only those parties have "a need to know" the transient session keys. The Secure Association Protocol MUST operate directly between the peer and authenticator, and MUST NOT be passed-through to the backend authentication server, or include additional parties. [BA] What is wrong with having the SAP "passed through" as long as the conversation is cryptographically secure? Derivation of transient session keys The Secure Association Protocol negotiation MUST support derivation of unicast and multicast transient session keys suitable for use with the negotiated ciphersuite. [BA] I think Section 2 already says this. TSK freshness The Secure Association (phase 2) Protocol MUST support the derivation of fresh unicast and multicast transient session keys, even when the keying material provided by the backend authentication server is not fresh. This is typically supported by including an exchange of nonces within the Secure Association Protocol. [BA] I think Section 2 already says this. Bi-directional operation While some ciphersuites only require a single set of transient session keys to protect traffic in both directions, other ciphersuites require a unique set of transient session keys in each direction. The phase 2 Secure Association Protocol SHOULD provide for the derivation of unicast and multicast keys in each direction, so as not to require two separate phase 2 exchanges in order to create a bi-directional phase 2 security association. Secure capabilities negotiation The Secure Association Protocol MUST support secure capabilities negotiation. This includes security parameters such as the security association identifier (SAID) and ciphersuites, as well as negotiation of the lifetime of the TSKs, AAA-Key and exported EAP keys. Secure capabilities negotiation also includes confirmation of the capabilities discovered during the discovery phase (phase 0), so as to ensure that the announced capabilities have not been forged. Key Scoping The Secure Association Protocol MUST ensure the synchronization of key scope between the peer and authenticator. This includes negotiation of restrictions on key usage. [BA] I think Section 2 already says this. 7.4. Ciphersuite Requirements Ciphersuites suitable for keying by EAP methods MUST provide the following facilities: TSK derivation In order to allow a ciphersuite to be usable within the EAP keying framework, a specification MUST be provided describing how transient session keys suitable for use with the ciphersuite are derived from the AAA-Key. EAP method independence Algorithms for deriving transient session keys from the AAA-Key MUST NOT depend on the EAP method. However, algorithms for deriving TEKs MAY be specific to the EAP method. [BA] I think this is already discussed in the Method Independence section. Cryptographic separation The TSKs derived from the AAA-Key MUST be cryptographically separate from each other. Similarly, TEKs MUST be cryptographically separate from each other. In addition, the TSKs MUST be cryptographically separate from the TEKs. [BA] Why not put these cryptographic requirements in one section? _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Sun Jul 31 02:04:12 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dz6vj-0006Ed-8Q for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:04:12 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA20499 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED5020441; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD4920439; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:04:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4F420439 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C125B2042D for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1Dz6v4-000LJZ-8r for eap@frascone.com; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:03:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j6V63SH03207 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:03:29 -0700 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba From: Bernard Aboba To: eap@frascone.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Re: Issue 307: Rewrite of Section 7, Security Requirements Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:03:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Here is a proposed resolution: The overall recommendation is to delete Section 7. Here are the details: Section 7.1 appears to have been taken from [RFC3748] Section 7.10. It is therefore redundant and can be deleted. Section 7.2 relates not to requirements but rather to the security vulnerabilities inherent in RADIUS and Diameter usage. It therefore should be incorporated into Section 6, Security Considerations (See Issue 294). One this is done, this section can be deleted. Section 2.3, 4, 7.3 all include requirements relating to the Secure Association Protocol. The recommendation is to consolidate this material into Section 4, while deleting Section 7.3, and replacing Section 2.3 with the following: "2.3. Secure Association Phase The Secure Association phase (phase 2), if it occurs, begins after the completion of EAP authentication (phase 1a) and key transport (phase 1b). Secure Association Protocols typically include the following features: [1] Generation of fresh unicast and multicast transient session keys. [2] Integrity and replay protection. This ensures that the Secure Association Protocol messages cannot be forged, modified or replayed. [3] Secure capabilities negotiation. This enables security-relevant parameters such as cryptographic algorithms to be securely negotiated. [3] Key management and naming. This enables security associations to be created and deleted, and for key state to be kept synchronized between the peer and authenticator. [4] Mutual proof of possession of EAP keying material between the peer and authenticator. This enables the EAP peer and authenticator to confirm authorization. Aspects of the Secure Association Protocol are discussed in more detail in Section 4." Replace Section 4 with the following: "4. Key Management EAP as defined in [RFC3748] supports key derivation, but not key management. While EAP methods may derive keying material, EAP does provide for the management of exported or derived keys. For example, EAP does not support negotiation of the key lifetime of exported or derived keys, nor does it support rekey. Although EAP methods may support "fast reconnect" as defined in [RFC3748] Section 7.2.1, rekey of exported keys cannot occur without reauthentication. In order to provide method independence, key management of exported or derived keys SHOULD NOT be provided within EAP methods. Since neither EAP nor EAP methods provide key management support, it is RECOMMENDED that key management facilities be provided within the Secure Association Protocol. This includes: [a] Entity Naming. A basic feature of a Secure Association Protocol is the explicit naming of the parties engaged in the exchange. Explicit identification of the parties is critical, since without this the parties engaged in the exchange are not identified and the scope of the EAP keying parameters negotiated during the EAP exchange is undefined. As shown in Figure 3, both the peer and NAS may have more than one physical or virtual port. As a result, the peer and authenticator SHOULD identify themselves in a manner that is independent of their attached ports. [b] Mutual proof of possession of EAP keying material. The Secure Association Protocol MUST demonstrate possession of the keying material transported between the backend authentication server and authenticator (.e.g. AAA-Key), and show that both the peer and authenticator have been authenticated and authorized. Since mutual proof of possession is not the same as mutual authentication, the peer cannot verify authenticator assertions (including the authenticator identity) as a result of this exchange. [c] Secure capabilities negotiation. In order to protect against spoofing during the discovery phase, ensure selection of the "best" ciphersuite, and protect against forging of negotiated security parameters, the Secure Association Protocol MUST support secure capabilities negotiation. This includes the secure negotiation of usage modes, session parameters (such as security association identifiers (SAIDs) and key lifetimes), ciphersuites and required filters, including confirmation of security-relevant capabilities discovered during phase 0. As part of secure capabilities negotiation, the Secure Association Protocol MUST support integrity and replay protection of all messages. [d] Key naming and selection. Where key caching is supported, it may be possible for the EAP peer and authenticator to share more than one key of a given type. As a result, the Secure Association Protocol MUST explicitly name the keys used in the proof of possession exchange, so as to prevent confusion when more than one set of keying material could potentially be used as the basis for the exchange. Use of the key naming mechanism described in this document is RECOMMENDED. In order to support the correct processing of phase 2 security associations, the Secure Association (phase 2) protocol MUST support the naming of phase 2 security associations and associated transient session keys, so that the correct set of transient session keys can be identified for processing a given packet. The phase 2 Secure Association Protocol also MUST support transient session key activation and SHOULD support deletion, so that establishment and re-establishment of transient session keys can be synchronized between the parties. [e] Generation of fresh transient session keys (TSKs). Where the lower layer supports caching of exported EAP keying material, the EAP peer lower layer may initiate a new session using keying material that was derived in a previous session. Were the TSKs to be derived from a portion of the exported EAP keying material, this would result in reuse of the session keys which could expose the underlying ciphersuite to attack. As a result, in lower layers where caching of EAP keying material is supported, the Secure Association Protocol phase is REQUIRED, and MUST support the derivation of fresh unicast and multicast TSKs, even when the keying material provided by the backend authentication server is not fresh. This is typically supported via the exchange of nonces or counters, which are then mixed with the exported keying material in order to generate fresh unicast (phase 2a) and possibly multicast (phase 2b) session keys. By not using EAP keying material directly to protect data, the Secure Association Protocol protects it against compromise. [f] Key lifetime management. This includes explicit key lifetime negotiation or seamless rekey. EAP does not support negotiation of key lifetimes, nor does it support rekey without reauthentication. As a result, the Secure Association Protocol may handle rekey and determination of the key lifetime. Where key caching is supported, secure negotiation of key lifetimes is RECOMMENDED. Lower layers that support rekey, but not key caching, may not require key lifetime negotiation. To take an example from IKE, the difference between IKEv1 and IKEv2 is that in IKEv1 SA lifetimes were negotiated. In IKEv2, each end of the SA is responsible for enforcing its own lifetime policy on the SA and rekeying the SA when necessary. [g] Key resynchronization. It is possible for the peer or authenticator to reboot or reclaim resources, clearing portions or all of the key cache. Therefore, key lifetime negotiation cannot guarantee that the key cache will remain synchronized, and the peer may not be able to determine before attempting to use a key whether it exists within the authenticator cache. It is therefore RECOMMENDED for the Secure Association Protocol to provide a mechanism for key state resynchronization. Since in this situation one or more of the parties initially do not possess a key with which to protect the resynchronization exchange, securing this mechanism may be difficult. [h] Key scope synchronization. Since the Discovery phase is handled out-of-band, EAP does not provide a mechanism by which the peer can determine the authenticator identity. As a result, where the authenticator has multiple ports and key caching is supported, the EAP peer may not be able to determine the scope of validity of the exported EAP keying material. Similarly, where the EAP peer has multiple ports, the authenticator may not be able to determine whether a peer has authorization to use a particular key. To allow key scope determination, the Secure Association Protocol SHOULD provide a mechanism by which the peer can determine the scope of the key cache on each authenticator, and by which the authenticator can determine the scope of the key cache on a peer. This includes negotiation of restrictions on key usage. [i] Direct operation. Since the phase 2 Secure Association Protocol is concerned with the establishment of security associations between the EAP peer and authenticator, including the derivation of transient session keys, only those parties have "a need to know" the transient session keys. The Secure Association Protocol MUST operate directly between the peer and authenticator, and MUST NOT be passed-through to the backend authentication server, or include additional parties. [j] Bi-directional operation While some ciphersuites only require a single set of transient session keys to protect traffic in both directions, other ciphersuites require a unique set of transient session keys in each direction. The phase 2 Secure Association Protocol SHOULD provide for the derivation of unicast and multicast keys in each direction, so as not to require two separate phase 2 exchanges in order to create a bi-directional phase 2 security association." After deleting Sections 7.1, 7.2 and 7.3, all that remains of Section 7 is Section 7.4 (Ciphersuite Requirements). This section can be incorporated into Section 1.4.4 (Ciphersuite Independence): "1.4.4. Ciphersuite Independence Ciphersuite Independence is a consequence of the principles of Mode Independence and Media Independence. While EAP methods may negotiate the ciphersuite used in protection of the EAP conversation, the ciphersuite used for the protection of the data exchanged after EAP authentication has completed is negotiated between the peer and authenticator within the lower layer, outside of EAP. For example, within PPP, the ciphersuite is negotiated within the Encryption Control Protocol (ECP) defined in [RFC1968], after EAP authentication is completed. Within [IEEE-802.11i], the AP ciphersuites are advertised in the Beacon and Probe Responses prior to EAP authentication, and are securely verified during a 4-way handshake exchange. Since the ciphersuites used to protect data depend on the lower layer, requiring EAP methods have knowledge of lower layer ciphersuites would compromise the principle of Media Independence. Since ciphersuite negotiation occurs in the lower layer, there is no need for ciphersuite negotiation within EAP, and EAP methods generate keying material that is ciphersuite-independent. Algorithms for deriving TSKs MUST NOT depend on the EAP method, although algorithms for TEK derivation MAY be specific to the EAP method. In order to allow a ciphersuite to be usable within the EAP keying framework, a specification MUST be provided describing how TSKs suitable for use with the ciphersuite are derived from exported EAP keying parameters. Advantages of ciphersuite-independence include: Reduced update requirements If EAP methods were to specify how to derive transient session keys for each ciphersuite, they would need to be updated each time a new ciphersuite is developed. In addition, backend authentication servers might not be usable with all EAP-capable authenticators, since the backend authentication server would also need to be updated each time support for a new ciphersuite is added to the authenticator. Reduced EAP method complexity Requiring each EAP method to include ciphersuite-specific code for transient session key derivation would increase method complexity and result in duplicated effort. Simplified configuration The ciphersuite is negotiated between the peer and authenticator outside of EAP. Where the authenticator operates in "pass-through" mode, the EAP server is not a party to this negotiation, nor is it involved in the data flow between the EAP peer and authenticator. As a result, the EAP server may not have knowledge of the ciphersuites and negotiation policies implemented by the peer and authenticator, or be aware of the ciphersuite negotiated between them. For example, since ECP negotiation occurs after authentication, when run over PPP, the EAP peer and server may not anticipate the negotiated ciphersuite and therefore this information cannot be provided to the EAP method." The only remaining paragraph from Section 7.4 can be added to Section 2.5.1: " TSKs MUST be cryptographically separate from each other. Similarly, TEKs MUST be cryptographically separate from each other. In addition, the TSKs MUST be cryptographically separate from the TEKs." _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Sun Jul 31 02:28:09 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dz7Iu-0002N0-K2 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:28:09 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA08366 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FBB20441; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CABA20439; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:28:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B88520439 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595882042D for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1Dz7IO-00009r-9k for eap@frascone.com; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:27:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j6V6RYE04592 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:27:35 -0700 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba From: Bernard Aboba To: eap@frascone.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Re: Issue 307: Rewrite of Section 7, Security Requirements Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:27:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) In addition, consolidate Section 7.1.1 and 7.1.2 into Section 1.5, as follows: 1.5 EMSK Usage The MSK and EMSK MUST be unique for each session. The EMSK must be cryptographically independent of the MSK and TEKs, and the EMSK MUST be secret and not known to someone observing the EAP authentication exchange. The EMSK MUST NOT be transported from the EAP server to another party, and as a result the EMSK is not replicated between the backend server and authenticator via the AAA protocol. Although the EMSK is not replicated, it is possible to derive keys from the EMSK via a one-way function, and for these derived keys to be replicated from the backend server to the authenticator. Where a backend server is present the EMSK will not be available on the authenticator, and therefore in order for the principle of Mode Independence to be satisfied, TSKs derived within the lower layer MUST NOT depend directly on the EMSK. 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Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:45:33 +0900 (KST) Received: from Alperyegin ([105.253.155.2]) by mmp1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IKH00DISSRSOV@mmp1.samsung.com> for eap@frascone.com; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:45:33 +0900 (KST) From: Alper Yegin Subject: RE: [eap] Clarifications on "Domino effect" In-reply-to: <42EABEB1.7050207@piuha.net> To: "'Jari Arkko'" , "'Julien Bournelle'" Cc: eap@frascone.com Message-id: <18d501c595cd$bbd4d8d0$9b409153@sisa.samsung.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 05:45:26 -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > "Compromise of a single authenticator cannot compromise any other part > > of the system, including session keys and long-term secrets." > > > > Does this finally imply that the authenticator MUST not provide keys to > > other entity ? > > > > > Intuitively, this text may be too broad. 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www.jsrefi.net/book.php From eap-admin@frascone.com Sun Jul 31 13:59:10 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DzI5e-0008BY-Cq for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:59:10 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10248 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CB32043B; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249B320427; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:59:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE2220427 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56176203E7 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DzI4c-000A1h-Sr for eap@frascone.com; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:58:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j6VHw5h17416 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:58:05 -0700 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba From: Bernard Aboba To: eap@frascone.com In-Reply-To: <20050731160003.7292.43649.Mailman@xavier> Message-ID: References: <20050731160003.7292.43649.Mailman@xavier> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Re: Clarifications on "Domino Effect" Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:58:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) > "Compromise of a single authenticator cannot compromise any other > part of the system, including session keys and long-term secrets." > In some sense it is too broad. It disallows NAS to provide any keys to > NAS ports (which may be hosted on separate nodes). In the lack of > clarification, I read some people even take this as "no keys shall ever > be passed around". I really think this part deserves further > clarification. If an authenticator is compromised, we have to assume that the attacker obtains the MSK/AAA-Key. Since the TSKs are derived from (IEEE 802.11i) or at least protected by (IEEE 802.16e) the MSK, the attacker will then obtain the TSKs as well. In any case, if the attacker has compromised the NAS, the TSKs should probably be assumed compromised anyway. So I think draft-housley must be talking about some other entity in the phrase "part of the system". For example, compromise of one authenticator doesn't compromise *another* authenticator's session keys. Obviously compromising the authenticator session keys also compromises the EAP peer session keys, since they are the same. But that doesn't mean that the long-term secrets are compromised. Compromise of one NAS will yield the attacker access to traffic on that NAS, ability to admit/deny usage, ability to launch online dictionary attacks against the RADIUS server. But I think that the "Domino Effect" paragraph is trying to say that the attacker should not be able to gain control over another entity, such as another NAS, a peer or a backend server. Note that in practice, most NASes in a deployment run the same firmware, and if the attacker gained control of one NAS through a vulnerability, then it is likely that all the NASes are vulnerable to that same attack. > And in other sense, I find the text a bit narrow. Why does it only focus > on the "authenticator" if we are talking about domino affect? A > compromised RADIUS relay yields a domino effect as well. Right -- and a much worse one because this compromises not only keys, but also the RADIUS shared secrets, allowing the attacker to forge RADIUS packets at will to all the NASes associated with that RADIUS proxy. > An EAP peer, for instance, > is a part of "the system", and its traffic at least would be > compromised if its authenticator got compromised. Yes. > Hmm, that's interesting. I never thought that way before. We definitely > need a clarification on that as well. Given the importance of draft-housley to the EAP Key Management Framework document, I think we probably need to do a very detailed review so that we can settle this and other issues. _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Sun Jul 31 18:43:13 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DzMWV-0002DQ-3H for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:43:13 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA23403 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7319A1FD63; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B671C2043B; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:43:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C872043B for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B19F1FD63 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EE08985E; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 01:42:31 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <42ED53E2.10904@piuha.net> From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] Re: Clarifications on "Domino Effect" References: <20050731160003.7292.43649.Mailman@xavier> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 01:42:42 +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bernard Aboba wrote: >If an authenticator is compromised, we have to assume that the attacker >obtains the MSK/AAA-Key. Since the TSKs are derived from (IEEE 802.11i) >or at least protected by (IEEE 802.16e) the MSK, the attacker will then >obtain the TSKs as well. In any case, if the attacker has compromised the >NAS, the TSKs should probably be assumed compromised anyway. > > Yes. >So I think draft-housley must be talking about some other entity in the >phrase "part of the system". For example, compromise of one authenticator >doesn't compromise *another* authenticator's session keys. Obviously >compromising the authenticator session keys also compromises the EAP peer >session keys, since they are the same. But that doesn't mean that the >long-term secrets are compromised. > > Yes. >Compromise of one NAS will yield the attacker access to traffic on that NAS, >ability to admit/deny usage, ability to launch online dictionary attacks >against the RADIUS server. But I think that the "Domino Effect" paragraph >is trying to say that the attacker should not be able to gain control over >another entity, such as another NAS, a peer or a backend server. > > Yes. >Note that in practice, most NASes in a deployment run the same firmware, >and if the attacker gained control of one NAS through a vulnerability, >then it is likely that all the NASes are vulnerable to that same attack. > > Well, yes, but I think the main reason for this requirement is physical access. If you grab an access point from a coffee shop wall, this should not lead to an uncontained compromise of the whole system. >>And in other sense, I find the text a bit narrow. Why does it only focus >>on the "authenticator" if we are talking about domino affect? A >>compromised RADIUS relay yields a domino effect as well. >> >> > >Right -- and a much worse one because this compromises not only >keys, but also the RADIUS shared secrets, allowing the attacker to forge >RADIUS packets at will to all the NASes associated with that RADIUS proxy. > > Yes. But its hard to do anything about this, so that may be the reason we are not setting much requirements for it... > > >>An EAP peer, for instance, >>is a part of "the system", and its traffic at least would be >>compromised if its authenticator got compromised. >> >> > >Yes. > > > >>Hmm, that's interesting. I never thought that way before. We definitely >>need a clarification on that as well. >> >> > >Given the importance of draft-housley to the EAP Key Management Framework >document, I think we probably need to do a very detailed review so that we >can settle this and other issues. > > In the interest of getting a complete document, and for getting an RFC with WG consensus behind it, it might be an idea to define the issue in the keying framework itself. In this particular case what we need to do is to go from a general statement "must not compromise other nodes" to a set of more specific statements that talk about what exact quantities in what exact other nodes must not be compromised. While we are at it, we might also state that we do not have a requirement on the compromise of the radius server being recoverable... --Jari _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Sun Jul 31 20:53:11 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DzOYI-0008TH-F3 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:53:11 -0400 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA28085 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC7720453; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037C52043E; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:53:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F142043E for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6051FD63 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DzOXU-0002eq-Hs; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:52:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j710qHB09241; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:52:18 -0700 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba From: Bernard Aboba To: Jari Arkko Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] Re: Clarifications on "Domino Effect" In-Reply-To: <42ED53E2.10904@piuha.net> Message-ID: References: <20050731160003.7292.43649.Mailman@xavier> <42ED53E2.10904@piuha.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:52:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) > Well, yes, but I think the main reason for this requirement > is physical access. If you grab an access point from a coffee > shop wall, this should not lead to an uncontained compromise > of the whole system. This problem statement is somewhat more concrete (and easier to analyze). For example, if you grab the access point off the wall, do you: a. Obtain a RADIUS shared secret used by another AP? If good RADIUS secret hygene is being used, then the answer is no. b. Obtain keys useful in compromising another AP? If the EAP method provides "session independence" I think that obtaining one MSK provides no useful information to compromise another MSK. Also if the EMSK is cryptographically independent from the MSK, you can't compromise the EMSK if the MSK is compromised. c. Obtain keys useful in compromisng an EAP peer or the backend server? Assuming that the EAP method is sufficiently robust (e.g. satisfies the RFC 4017 requirements) I think the answer is "no" to this one too. For example, the attacker can't do an offline or online dictionary attack, can't do a brute force attack on the key (assuming the key strength is sert high enough), etc. > an RFC with WG consensus behind it, it might be an idea > to define the issue in the keying framework itself. In this particular > case what we need to do is to go from a general statement "must > not compromise other nodes" to a set of more specific statements > that talk about what exact quantities in what exact other nodes > must not be compromised. While we are at it, we might also state > that we do not have a requirement on the compromise of the radius > server being recoverable... Yes, it would be good to have a plan for getting this (and other requirements issues) settled. The exact nature of the "domino effect" requirement is important to a number of lower layer attempting to utilize EAP. And the EAP WG is probably as good a place to discuss this as anywhere... _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap