From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 00:28:28 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ehgzc-0007oT-Gw for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:28:28 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA20657 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:27:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493DF430130 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:28:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CD3430067 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206F080C128 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9605A80C23B for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F73989872; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:27:59 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <438E89C3.6010705@piuha.net> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:27:31 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Mats_N=E4slund_=28KI/EAB=29=22?= Subject: [eap] issue: editorial (review of eap-keying-08 by mats naslund) X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are multiple issues, each in separate e-mail Submitter name: Mats Naslund Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com Reference: (this email) Document: Keying Framework Comment type: E Priority: 1 Section: multiple Rationale/Explanation of issue: The Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP), defined in [RFC3748], enables extensible network access authentication. This document provides a framework for the generation, transport and usage of MN: In what sense is _generation_ of key material really covered? It explains how some methods have done, but does it really specify a framework for key generation? Transient Session Keys (TSKs) Session keys used to protect data exchanged in a session between the peer and authenticator after the EAP authentication has successfully completed. TSKs are appropriate for the lower layer ciphersuite negotiated between the ports of the EAP peer and authenticator. Examples of TSK derivation are provided in Appendix B. MN: sorry, didn't find a single such example. AAA-Key A key derived by the peer and EAP server, used by the peer and authenticator in the derivation of Transient Session Keys (TSKs). Where a backend authentication server is present, the AAA-Key is transported from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. In existing usage, the AAA-Key is always derived from the MSK and so can be referred to using the MSK name. AAA-Key = MSK(0,63). MN: Why not show a figure of the hierachy? In fact, what does it look like? ---> TEK / .../ ---> MSK = AAAk ----> TSK \ \ \ \---> PMK --> TSK \ \---> EMSK _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 00:29:48 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ehh0u-0008Fr-R9 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:29:48 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA20687 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFB1430067 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A8043008F for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0537380C233 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C004980C1D9 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32FB89872; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:29:24 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <438E8A18.2000500@piuha.net> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:28:56 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Mats_N=E4slund_=28KI/EAB=29=22?= Subject: [eap] issue: distributed authenticators (review of eap-keying-08 by mats naslund) X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Submitter name: Mats Naslund Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com Reference: (this email) Document: Keying Framework Comment type: T Priority: 1 Section: multiple Rationale/Explanation of issue: Encryption Key" (Enc-SEND-Key) (reception is defined from the point of view of the authenticator). Within [IEEE-802.11i] Octets 0-31 of the MSK (Enc-RECV-Key) are known as the Pairwise Master Key (PMK). In [IEEE-802.11i] the TKIP and AES CCMP ciphersuites derive their Transient Session Keys (TSKs) solely from the PMK, whereas the WEP ciphersuite as noted in [RFC3580], derives its TSKs from both halves of the MSK. MN: See comment a few lines down. Transient EAP Keys (TEKs) Session keys which are used to establish a protected channel between the EAP peer and server during the EAP authentication exchange. The TEKs are appropriate for use with the ciphersuite negotiated between EAP peer and server for use in protecting the EAP conversation. The TEKs are stored locally by the EAP method and are not exported. Note that the ciphersuite used to set up the protected channel between the EAP peer and server during EAP authentication is unrelated to the ciphersuite used to subsequently protect data sent between the EAP peer and authenticator. An example TEK key hierarchy is described in Appendix A. Transient Session Keys (TSKs) Session keys used to protect data exchanged in a session between the peer and authenticator after the EAP authentication has successfully completed. TSKs are appropriate for the lower layer ciphersuite negotiated between the ports of the EAP peer and authenticator. Examples of TSK derivation are provided in Appendix B. MN: Here I have some trouble... This seems to mandate that protection (on the network side) MUST be terminated in the authenticator. In WiMAX, the authenticator is in the AGW, but the session protection is in the BS. I.e. it is not clear why both PMK and TSK should be shared between the same two entities... Doesn't one shared key suufice? TSKs are permitted to be accessed only by the EAP peer and authenticator. Since the TSKs can be determined from the transported MN: does this imply that the authenticator always needs to be in the "base station"? (since the base station will know TSKs) _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 00:30:33 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ehh1d-0008TZ-0y for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:30:33 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA20732 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE66E4300DD for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:30:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30069430067 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A7580C1D9 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF82C80C125 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C4289872; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:29:59 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <438E8A3B.5090500@piuha.net> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:29:31 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Mats_N=E4slund_=28KI/EAB=29=22?= Subject: [eap] issue: aaa-key confusion (review of eap-keying-08 by mats naslund) X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Submitter name: Mats Naslund Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com Reference: (this email) Document: Keying Framework Comment type: T Priority: 1 Section: multiple Rationale/Explanation of issue: AAA-Key A key derived by the peer and EAP server, used by the peer and authenticator in the derivation of Transient Session Keys (TSKs). Where a backend authentication server is present, the AAA-Key is transported from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. In existing usage, the AAA-Key is always derived from the MSK and so can be referred to using the MSK name. AAA-Key = MSK(0,63). MN: Isn't it the case that we MUST have AAAk = MSK for mode independence?? Why does it only say "in existing usage..." The purpose of the PMK is a bit unclear to me... Within EAP, the primary function of the AAA protocol is to maintain the principle of Mode Independence, so that as far as the EAP peer is concerned, its conversation with the EAP authenticator, and all consequences of that conversation, are identical, regardless of the authenticator mode of operation. MN: Doesn't this imply that AAAk MUST be equal to MSK? An additional step (phase 1b) is required in deployments which include a backend authentication server, in order to transport keying material from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. In order to obey the principle of Mode Independence, where a backend server is present AAA Key transport needs to provide the exported EAP keying material and/or derived keys required for derivation of the TSKs. Since existing TSK derivation techniques depend solely on the MSK, in existing AAA implementations, this is the only keying material replicated in the AAA key transport phase 1b. MN: again does this imply that MSK = AAAk? How else get mode independence? _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 00:31:15 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ehh2J-00005B-89 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:31:15 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA20816 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8B54300F8 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B778430067 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A7D80C23A for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBB080C125 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A76489872; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:30:21 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <438E8A50.1050909@piuha.net> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:29:52 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Mats_N=E4slund_=28KI/EAB=29=22?= Subject: [eap] issue: ciphersuites and key lengths (review of eap-keying-08 by mats naslund) X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Submitter name: Mats Naslund Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com Reference: (this email) Document: Keying Framework Comment type: T Priority: 1 Section: multiple Rationale/Explanation of issue: Ciphersuite Independence is a consequence of the principles of Mode Independence and Media Independence. MN: I don't agree. Suppose that the MSK had been only 80 bits rather than 64 bytes. We could then not have satsified security requirements on 256-bit key cipher suites. Now, the MSK's 64 bytes are so huge that it is sufficient for all "practical" cipher suites. But I still claim it does not follow as a consequnce from Mode and Media independence alone. There is an implict assumption that enough "key entropy" is available. Since the ciphersuites used to protect data depend on the lower layer, requiring EAP methods have knowledge of lower layer ciphersuites would compromise the principle of Media Independence. MN: yes, to avoid needing to know key requirements, the MSK has been chosen to be "large enough for all practical use" Since ciphersuite negotiation occurs in the lower layer, there is no need for ciphersuite negotiation within EAP, and EAP methods generate keying material that is ciphersuite-independent. MN:...thanks to the fact that the MSK is so large. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 00:31:40 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ehh2i-0000IV-TF for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:31:40 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA20881 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51CB43015D for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0AF4300CB for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:30:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E88380C233 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:30:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AFC80C125 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:30:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2220F89872; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:30:41 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <438E8A64.1020308@piuha.net> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:30:12 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Mats_N=E4slund_=28KI/EAB=29=22?= Subject: [eap] issue: counter length (review of eap-keying-08 by mats naslund) X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Submitter name: Mats Naslund Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com Reference: (this email) Document: Keying Framework Comment type: T Priority: 1 Section: multiple Rationale/Explanation of issue: Lower Layer The lower layer Secure Association Protocol MUST generate a fresh session key for each session, even if the keying material and parameters provided by EAP methods are cached, or the peer or authenticator lacks a high entropy random number generator. A RECOMMENDED method is for the peer and authenticator to each provide a nonce or counter of at least 128 bits, used in session key derivation. MN: If it is a counter, I don't see why it needs to be 128 bits... Only a few bits will change anyway each time a new key is generated. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 00:33:34 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ehh4Y-0000ii-Fm for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:33:34 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA21048 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF100430134 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078C64300BC for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0D880C1D9 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED0880C125 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8A689872; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:33:09 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <438E8AF9.4000604@piuha.net> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:32:41 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Mats_N=E4slund_=28KI/EAB=29=22?= Subject: [eap] issue: key separation (review of eap-keying-08 by mats naslund) X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Submitter name: Mats Naslund Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com Reference: (this email) Document: Keying Framework Comment type: T Priority: 1 Section: multiple Rationale/Explanation of issue: In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, lower layers other than AAA MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP methods. This implies that EAP keying material or parameters passed down to a lower layer are for the exclusive use of that lower layer and MUST NOT be used within another lower layer. This prevents compromise of one lower layer from compromising other applications using EAP keying parameters. MN: I guess this is "key separation"... But if this is a MUST requirement, why not here standardize a way to do it? I.e. lower_layer_key = f(MSK, layer_ID). In order to provide method independence, key management of exported or derived keys SHOULD NOT be provided within EAP methods. MN: does this exclude that EAP can provide key separation? Since neither EAP nor EAP methods provide key management support, it is RECOMMENDED that key management facilities be provided within the Secure Association Protocol. This includes: MN: But if the MSK is always sent to the SA protocol, it really does not help if the SA protocol does e.g. key separation. Compromise of the "entity" hosting the SA protocol would still compromise the MSK. I guess I am asking: is there a "middle layer" missing, between EAP and the SA procotol that takes care of key separation? [a] Entity Naming. A basic feature of a Secure Association Protocol is the explicit naming of the parties engaged in the exchange. Without explicit identification, the parties engaged in the exchange are not identified and the scope of the EAP keying parameters negotiated during the EAP exchange is undefined. As shown in Figure 5, both the peer and authenticator may have more than one physical or virtual port, and as a result SHOULD identify themselves in a manner that is independent of their attached ports. (snip) [j] Bi-directional operation While some ciphersuites only require a single set of transient session keys to protect traffic in both directions, other ciphersuites require a unique set of transient session keys in each direction. The phase 2 Secure Association Protocol SHOULD provide for the derivation of unicast and multicast keys in each direction, so as not to require two separate phase 2 exchanges in order to create a bi-directional phase 2 security association. MN: This part clarifies a lot. So, it seems there is a "layer" missing... It is said above that it is RECOMMENDED that the Secure Association Protocol (SAP) supports all of this. But what about interaction between different SAPs? I.e. should there be a layer below EAP, but above SAP that takes care of inter-access key separation? Or, where is this done? Or is cross-SAP usage prohibited? _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 01:04:40 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhhYe-0005t1-FJ for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 01:04:40 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA23622 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676804300EA for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:04:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3297430067 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:04:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEACA80C23E for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:04:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f34.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.44]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F03380C233 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:04:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:04:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:04:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <438E8A3B.5090500@piuha.net> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jari.arkko@piuha.net, eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] issue: aaa-key confusion (review of eap-keying-08 by matsnaslund) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:04:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 06:04:23.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[139DBDF0:01C5F63D] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: mats.naslund@ericsson.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id BAA23622 Since existing EAP lower layers only make use of the MSK, the MSK must be= =20 transported from the server to authenticator in order to provide for mod= e=20 independence. Currently it is not necessary to transport other keys, sinc= e=20 existing lower layers don't use them. However, it does not necessarily=20 follow that only the MSK can be transported. So yes, the MSK must be transported as a consequence of mode independence= .=20 And yes, AAA-Key =3D MSK, but this is a tautology, not a consequence of a= ny=20 principle. I think it is more correct to say that "all keys which are=20 required by the lower layer need to be transported from the server to th= e=20 authenticator", and leave the term "AAA-Key" out of it. >From: Jari Arkko >To: eap@frascone.com >CC: "Mats N=E4slund (KI/EAB)" >Subject: [eap] issue: aaa-key confusion (review of eap-keying-08 by=20 >matsnaslund) >Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:29:31 +0200 > >Submitter name: Mats Naslund >Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com >Reference: (this email) >Document: Keying Framework >Comment type: T >Priority: 1 >Section: multiple >Rationale/Explanation of issue: > >AAA-Key > A key derived by the peer and EAP server, used by the peer and > authenticator in the derivation of Transient Session Keys (TSKs). > Where a backend authentication server is present, the AAA-Key is > transported from the backend authentication server to the > authenticator. In existing usage, the AAA-Key is always derived > from the MSK and so can be referred to using the MSK name. AAA-Key > =3D MSK(0,63). > >MN: Isn't it the case that we MUST >have AAAk =3D MSK for mode independence?? Why does it only say >"in existing usage..." > >The purpose of the PMK is a bit unclear to me... > > Within EAP, the primary function of the AAA protocol is to maintain > the principle of Mode Independence, so that as far as the EAP peer is > concerned, its conversation with the EAP authenticator, and all > consequences of that conversation, are identical, regardless of the > authenticator mode of operation. > >MN: Doesn't this imply that AAAk MUST be equal to MSK? > > An additional step (phase 1b) is required in deployments which > include a backend authentication server, in order to transport keying > material from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. > In order to obey the principle of Mode Independence, where a backend > server is present AAA Key transport needs to provide the exported EAP > keying material and/or derived keys required for derivation of the > TSKs. Since existing TSK derivation techniques depend solely on the > MSK, in existing AAA implementations, this is the only keying > material replicated in the AAA key transport phase 1b. > >MN: again does this imply that MSK =3D AAAk? How else get mode independe= nce? > >_________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 01:08:11 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ehhc3-0007iO-Nq for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 01:08:11 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA24034 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AB0430198 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D8B4300A2 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF3080C23B for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8F680C128 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:07:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38465898C1; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:07:47 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <438E9316.1020208@piuha.net> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:07:18 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] issue: aaa-key confusion (review of eap-keying-08 by matsnaslund) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: mats.naslund@ericsson.com, eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > So yes, the MSK must be transported as a consequence of mode > independence. And yes, AAA-Key = MSK, but this is a tautology, not a > consequence of any principle. Yes. > I think it is more correct to say that "all keys which are required by > the lower layer need to be transported from the server to the > authenticator", and leave the term "AAA-Key" out of it. Works for me. --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 01:26:00 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhhtI-0006Go-FC for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 01:26:00 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA25622 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0742D430138 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DAC4300A2 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:25:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC39580C148 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:25:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f13.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.23]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF9980C128 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:25:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:25:36 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:25:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <438E8A18.2000500@piuha.net> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jari.arkko@piuha.net, eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] issue: distributed authenticators (review of eap-keying-08 by mats naslund) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:25:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 06:25:36.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A73FAC0:01C5F640] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: mats.naslund@ericsson.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id BAA25622 The key framework document does not constrain the authenticator=20 implementation. For example, any of the CAPWAP architectures can be used. The EAP conversation is between the peer and server. These are the only=20 identities that matter to the parties; the authenticator identity, if known at all, = is=20 only treated as an opaque blob for the purposes of Channel bindings. However, the SAP conversation is between the peer and the authenticator. = It=20 is possible for multiple base stations and a "controller" (e.g. WLAN switch) to comprise = a=20 single authenticator. Since an authenticator may have many ports, the authenticator ID is disti= nct=20 from any port identifier (e.g. BSSID). Therefore from the point of view of the EAP peer, the "base station=20 identity" (e.g. Called-Station-ID) is irrelevant except as an opaque blob to be use= d=20 in Channel Bindings. All that matters is the authenticator identity, because= =20 that defines the scope of the EAP keying material. Many base stations can shar= e=20 the same authenticator identity. Having said this, the scope of the Transient Session Keys is defined by t= he=20 SAP. Typically a SAP will bind the TSKs to a particular port, so that the session keys d= o=20 *not* have authenticator-wide scope -- they can only be used on a particular port (e= .g.=20 layer 2 endpoint address). But this is not a requirement; an authenticator can al= low TSKs to be reused on different ports assuming that it can guarantee TSK=20 freshness (such as by keeping centralized replay counter state). My understanding i= s=20 that some WLAN switches allow multiple ports to use the same TSK with IEEE 802.11i. Perhaps it would be more clear to state: Transient Session Keys (TSKs) =A0=A0=A0 Session keys used to protect data exchanged after EAP authentic= ation has successfully completed, using the ciphersuite negotiated between the EAP peer and authenticator. >From: Jari Arkko >To: eap@frascone.com >CC: "Mats N=E4slund (KI/EAB)" >Subject: [eap] issue: distributed authenticators (review of eap-keying-0= 8=20 >by mats naslund) >Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:28:56 +0200 > >Submitter name: Mats Naslund >Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com >Reference: (this email) >Document: Keying Framework >Comment type: T >Priority: 1 >Section: multiple >Rationale/Explanation of issue: > > Encryption Key" (Enc-SEND-Key) (reception is defined from the point > of view of the authenticator). Within [IEEE-802.11i] Octets 0-31 > of the MSK (Enc-RECV-Key) are known as the Pairwise Master Key > (PMK). In [IEEE-802.11i] the TKIP and AES CCMP ciphersuites derive > their Transient Session Keys (TSKs) solely from the PMK, whereas > the WEP ciphersuite as noted in [RFC3580], derives its TSKs from > both halves of the MSK. > >MN: See comment a few lines down. > >Transient EAP Keys (TEKs) > Session keys which are used to establish a protected channel > between the EAP peer and server during the EAP authentication > exchange. The TEKs are appropriate for use with the ciphersuite > negotiated between EAP peer and server for use in protecting the > EAP conversation. The TEKs are stored locally by the EAP method > and are not exported. Note that the ciphersuite used to set up the > protected channel between the EAP peer and server during EAP > authentication is unrelated to the ciphersuite used to subsequently > protect data sent between the EAP peer and authenticator. An > example TEK key hierarchy is described in Appendix A. > >Transient Session Keys (TSKs) > Session keys used to protect data exchanged in a session between > the peer and authenticator after the EAP authentication has > successfully completed. TSKs are appropriate for the lower layer > ciphersuite negotiated between the ports of the EAP peer and > authenticator. Examples of TSK derivation are provided in Appendix > B. > >MN: Here I have some trouble... This seems to mandate that protection >(on the network side) MUST be terminated in the authenticator. >In WiMAX, the authenticator is in the AGW, but the session protection >is in the BS. > >I.e. it is not clear why both PMK and TSK should be shared between the >same two entities... Doesn't one shared key suufice? > > TSKs are permitted to be accessed only by the EAP peer and > authenticator. Since the TSKs can be determined from the transported > >MN: does this imply that the authenticator always needs to be in the >"base station"? (since the base station will know TSKs) > >_________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 01:43:15 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ehi9z-00052L-AB for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 01:43:15 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA27371 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1E1430149 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:43:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C546430067 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8BB80C148 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f30.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.40]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1CD80C128 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:42:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:42:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <438E89C3.6010705@piuha.net> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jari.arkko@piuha.net, eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] issue: editorial (review of eap-keying-08 by mats naslund) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:42:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 06:42:49.0717 (UTC) FILETIME=[72612250:01C5F642] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: mats.naslund@ericsson.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id BAA27371 The document doesn't really provide a framework for the generation of EAP keying material (MSK/EMSK). At best it describes some requirements an= d provides some examples. The TSK generation examples are no longer in Appendix B; this is now discussed in Section 2.3 (not sure this is the best place for that though= ). The discussion might be expanded to talk a bit more about the security properties of various schemes: PPP: TSKs generated directly from MSK. Caching not supported, since this could lead to TSK reuse. PFS only possible with methods that support it. IEEE 802.11i: TSKs generated from MSK via 4-way handshake. Caching allowed since freshness is guaranteed. PFS not possible where cached PMKs are used. IKEv2: TSKs generated from IKEv2 exchange, EAP keying material only used for authentication. No caching. PFS can be negotiated. IEEE 802.16e: TSKs generated by the authenticator. EAP keying material used to encrypt, and integrity protect the transported TSK. PFS not possible. Figure 1 currently includes the TEKs, MSK, EMSK. In -07, Figure 5 included the AAA-Key and TSKs, though not the PMK. The problem with that figure is that it was potentially misleading, since it implied that the TSKs are always derived from the MSK. As noted above, this is not necessarily the case. Perhaps we can include MSK =3D AAA-Key in figure 1 and maybe add a few words about the PMK, just to say that it represents a portion of the MSK (the portion varies between different lower layers). >From: Jari Arkko >To: eap@frascone.com >CC: "Mats N=E4slund (KI/EAB)" >Subject: [eap] issue: editorial (review of eap-keying-08 by mats naslund= ) >Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:27:31 +0200 > >There are multiple issues, each in separate e-mail > >Submitter name: Mats Naslund >Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com >Reference: (this email) >Document: Keying Framework >Comment type: E >Priority: 1 >Section: multiple >Rationale/Explanation of issue: > > The Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP), defined in [RFC3748], > enables extensible network access authentication. This document > provides a framework for the generation, transport and usage of > >MN: In what sense is _generation_ of key material really covered? >It explains how some methods have done, but does it really specify >a framework for key generation? > >Transient Session Keys (TSKs) > Session keys used to protect data exchanged in a session between > the peer and authenticator after the EAP authentication has > successfully completed. TSKs are appropriate for the lower layer > ciphersuite negotiated between the ports of the EAP peer and > authenticator. Examples of TSK derivation are provided in Appendix > B. > >MN: sorry, didn't find a single such example. > >AAA-Key > A key derived by the peer and EAP server, used by the peer and > authenticator in the derivation of Transient Session Keys (TSKs). > Where a backend authentication server is present, the AAA-Key is > transported from the backend authentication server to the > authenticator. In existing usage, the AAA-Key is always derived > from the MSK and so can be referred to using the MSK name. AAA-Key > =3D MSK(0,63). > >MN: Why not show a figure of the hierachy? 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5F641.5E941F80-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 01:50:04 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhiGY-0008He-RT for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 01:50:04 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA27990 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7F4430196 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:50:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC7C430067 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7D880C15C for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f20.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.30]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A56780C125 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:49:41 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:49:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <438E8A50.1050909@piuha.net> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jari.arkko@piuha.net, eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] issue: ciphersuites and key lengths (review of eap-keying-08 by mats naslund) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:49:41 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 06:49:41.0893 (UTC) FILETIME=[680E3350:01C5F643] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: mats.naslund@ericsson.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id BAA27990 In RFC 3748, both the MSK and EMSK are required to be at least 64+ Octets in length. So all exported keying material is large, not just the MSK. Since the lower layer ciphersuites vary between media, if the EAP keying=20 material were not large enough (or have enough entropy) to handle any ciphersuite,= =20 then EAP keying material would not be usable on all media, and media independence would b= e=20 compromised. So I guess you can say that Ciphersuite independence is a requirement for= =20 Media Independence, and to obtain ciphersuite independence, exported EAP keying= =20 material needs to be large (with sufficient key entropy). I am not sure what mode independence has to do with this, though. That se= ems=20 orthogonal. >From: Jari Arkko >To: eap@frascone.com >CC: "Mats N=E4slund (KI/EAB)" >Subject: [eap] issue: ciphersuites and key lengths (review of eap-keying= -08=20 >by mats naslund) >Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:29:52 +0200 > >Submitter name: Mats Naslund >Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com >Reference: (this email) >Document: Keying Framework >Comment type: T >Priority: 1 >Section: multiple >Rationale/Explanation of issue: > > Ciphersuite Independence is a consequence of the principles of Mode > Independence and Media Independence. > >MN: I don't agree. Suppose that the MSK had been only 80 bits rather >than 64 bytes. We could then not have satsified security requirements >on 256-bit key cipher suites. Now, the MSK's 64 bytes are so huge >that it is sufficient for all "practical" cipher suites. But I still >claim it does not follow as a consequnce from Mode and Media independenc= e >alone. There is an implict assumption that enough "key entropy" >is available. > > > Since the ciphersuites used to protect data depend on the lower > layer, requiring EAP methods have knowledge of lower layer > ciphersuites would compromise the principle of Media Independence. > >MN: yes, to avoid needing to know key requirements, the MSK >has been chosen to be "large enough for all practical use" > > Since ciphersuite negotiation occurs in the lower layer, there is no > need for ciphersuite negotiation within EAP, and EAP methods generate > keying material that is ciphersuite-independent. > >MN:...thanks to the fact that the MSK is so large. > >_________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 01:52:05 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhiIX-00005C-0i for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 01:52:05 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA28109 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1D7430169 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A34430067 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6346F80C170 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f28.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.38]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAF680C15C for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:51:43 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:51:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <438E8A64.1020308@piuha.net> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jari.arkko@piuha.net, eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] issue: counter length (review of eap-keying-08 by matsnaslund) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:51:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 06:51:43.0361 (UTC) FILETIME=[B074BF10:01C5F643] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: mats.naslund@ericsson.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id BAA28109 For a random nonce, large size makes sense so as to avoid replay. For a counter, it need only be as large as the maximum number of TSK reke= ys=20 to be supported. For example, if only 256 rekeys were to be supported, the counter could o= nly=20 be 8 bits, right? The point is that this is a rekey counter, not a packet replay counter. >From: Jari Arkko >To: eap@frascone.com >CC: "Mats N=E4slund (KI/EAB)" >Subject: [eap] issue: counter length (review of eap-keying-08 by=20 >matsnaslund) >Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:30:12 +0200 > >Submitter name: Mats Naslund >Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com >Reference: (this email) >Document: Keying Framework >Comment type: T >Priority: 1 >Section: multiple >Rationale/Explanation of issue: > >Lower Layer > The lower layer Secure Association Protocol MUST generate a fresh > session key for each session, even if the keying material and > parameters provided by EAP methods are cached, or the peer or > authenticator lacks a high entropy random number generator. A > RECOMMENDED method is for the peer and authenticator to each > provide a nonce or counter of at least 128 bits, used in session > key derivation. > >MN: If it is a counter, I don't see why it needs to be 128 bits... >Only a few bits will change anyway each time a new key is generated. > >_________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 02:03:42 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhiTi-0005WI-5L for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 02:03:42 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA29269 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDDB4300F0 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC3D430067 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A1480C128 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:03:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f29.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.39]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B7F80C163 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:03:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:03:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <438E8AF9.4000604@piuha.net> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jari.arkko@piuha.net, eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] issue: key separation (review of eap-keying-08 by matsnaslund) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:03:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 07:03:10.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A2BADC0:01C5F645] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: mats.naslund@ericsson.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id CAA29269 The document is describing what is done today, which is that the MSK is=20 passed down to the lower layer. One of the questions we have been discussing is whether the EAP layer can= =20 provide for key separation. One problem is that the EAP layer does not have a mechanism b= y=20 which it can negotiate the cryptographic algorithms with which to compute the "separat= e=20 keys". EAP methods can negotiate ciphersuites, but this only applies to the EAP=20 conversation. There is no way for an EAP method to negotiate the f() used to compute th= e=20 lower layer keys. So if the EAP layer specifies a KDF using a fixed algorithm (e.g.=20 SHA-1) and that algorithm is compromised, there is no way to fix it. This seems=20 short-sighted. Layers below EAP have a lot more flexibility -- and therefore if=20 "crypto-agility" is required, then negotiation of f() needs to occur below EAP. Today there i= s=20 no "middle layer" between EAP and the lower layer, so the only way this can = be handled is in the lower layer. In terms of operation, there is no interaction between the SAPs. The EAP=20 keying material is used only by the lower layer over which the EAP conversation occurred. >From: Jari Arkko >To: eap@frascone.com >CC: "Mats N=E4slund (KI/EAB)" >Subject: [eap] issue: key separation (review of eap-keying-08 by=20 >matsnaslund) >Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:32:41 +0200 > >Submitter name: Mats Naslund >Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com >Reference: (this email) >Document: Keying Framework >Comment type: T >Priority: 1 >Section: multiple >Rationale/Explanation of issue: > > In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, > lower layers other than AAA MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP > methods. This implies that EAP keying material or parameters passed > down to a lower layer are for the exclusive use of that lower layer > and MUST NOT be used within another lower layer. This prevents > compromise of one lower layer from compromising other applications > using EAP keying parameters. > >MN: I guess this is "key separation"... But if this is a MUST requiremen= t, >why not here standardize a way to do it? I.e. > > lower_layer_key =3D f(MSK, layer_ID). > > In order to provide method independence, key > management of exported or derived keys SHOULD NOT be provided within > EAP methods. > >MN: does this exclude that EAP can provide key separation? > > Since neither EAP nor EAP methods provide key management support, it > is RECOMMENDED that key management facilities be provided within the > Secure Association Protocol. This includes: > >MN: But if the MSK is always sent to the SA protocol, it really does >not help if the SA protocol does e.g. key separation. Compromise >of the "entity" hosting the SA protocol would still compromise the >MSK. I guess I am asking: is there a "middle layer" missing, between >EAP and the SA procotol that takes care of key separation? > >[a] Entity Naming. A basic feature of a Secure Association Protocol is > the explicit naming of the parties engaged in the exchange. > Without explicit identification, the parties engaged in the > exchange are not identified and the scope of the EAP keying > parameters negotiated during the EAP exchange is undefined. As > shown in Figure 5, both the peer and authenticator may have more > than one physical or virtual port, and as a result SHOULD identify > themselves in a manner that is independent of their attached ports. > > >(snip) > >[j] Bi-directional operation While some ciphersuites only require a > single set of transient session keys to protect traffic in both > directions, other ciphersuites require a unique set of transient > session keys in each direction. The phase 2 Secure Association > Protocol SHOULD provide for the derivation of unicast and multicast > keys in each direction, so as not to require two separate phase 2 > exchanges in order to create a bi-directional phase 2 security > association. > >MN: This part clarifies a lot. So, it seems there is a "layer" missing... >It is said above that it is RECOMMENDED that the Secure Association >Protocol (SAP) supports all of this. But what about interaction between >different SAPs? I.e. should there be a layer below EAP, but above SAP >that takes care of inter-access key separation? Or, where is this done? >Or is cross-SAP usage prohibited? > > >_________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 02:31:28 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ehiue-0001Wl-Aq for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 02:31:28 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA01393 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA642430169 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB0B430067 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:31:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F8A80C170 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:31:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f20.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.30]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79C080C148 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:31:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:31:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:31:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 07:31:01.0220 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DD97A40:01C5F649] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Issue: Transient Session Key Derivation X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Submitter name: Bernard Aboba Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com Date Submitted: 11/30/05 Reference: Document: Keying-08 Comment type: T Priority: S Section: 2.3 Rationale/Explanation of issue: There is no section of the document that talks directly about generation of transient session keys. Here is a suggested rewrite of Section 2.3: 2.3 Transient Session Keys Existing EAP lower layers handle the caching of EAP keying material and the generation of transient session keys in different ways: PPP PPP, defined in [RFC1661] does not support caching of EAP keying material or parameters. PPP ciphersuites derive their TSKs directly from the MSK, as described in [RFC2716]. This method is NOT RECOMMENDED, since were PPP to support caching, this could result in stale TSKs. As a result, once the PPP session is terminated, EAP keying material and parameters MUST be discarded. Since caching of EAP keying material is not permitted, within PPP there is no way to handle TSK rekey without EAP re-authentication. Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) is only possible within PPP if the negotiated EAP method supports this. IKEv2 IKEv2, defined in [IKEv2] only uses EAP keying material for authentication purposes and not key derivation. As a result, the keying material derived within IKEv2 is independent of the EAP keying material and rekey of IPsec SAs can be handled without requiring EAP re-authentiation. Since generation of keying material is independent of EAP, within IKEv2 it is possible to negotiate PFS, regardless of the EAP method that is used. IKEv2 does not cache EAP keying material or parameters, nor does it utilize the EAP Key-Lifetime parameter to determine the lifetime of IPsec SAs. As result, once IKEv2 authentication completes it is assumed that EAP keying material and parameters are discarded. IEEE 802.11i IEEE 802.11i enables caching of the MSK, but not the EMSK, IV, Peer-ID, Server-ID, or Session-ID. More details are about the structure of the cache are available in [IEEE-802.11i]. In IEEE 802.11i, TSKs are derived from the MSK using the 4-way handshake, which includes a nonce exchange. This guarantees TSK freshness even if the MSK is reused. The 4-way handshake also enables TSK rekey without EAP re-authentication. PFS is only possible within IEEE 802.11i if the negotiated EAP method supports this. IEEE 802.1X-2004 IEEE 802.1X-2004, defined in [IEEE-802.1X-2004] does not support caching of EAP keying material or parameters. Therefore once EAP authentication completes, it is assumed that EAP keying material and parameters are discarded. IEEE 802.16e IEEE 802.16e, defined in [IEEE-802.16e] supports caching of the MSK, but not the EMSK, IV, Peer-ID, Server-ID or Session-ID. In IEEE 802.16e, TSKs are generated by the authenticator without any contribution by the peer. The TSKs are encrypted, authenticated and integrity protected using the MSK. As a result, TSK rekey is possible without EAP re-authentication. PFS is not possible even if the negotiated EAP method supports it. AAA Existing AAA servers supporting RADIUS/EAP [RFC3579] or Diameter EAP [RFC4207] do not support caching of EAP keying material or parameters. In existing AAA server implementations, exported EAP keying material (MSK, EMSK and IV) as well as parameters and derived keys are not cached and MUST be presumed lost after the AAA exchange completes. In order to avoid key reuse, the AAA layer MUST delete transported keys once they are sent. The AAA layer MUST NOT retain keys that it has previously sent to the authenticator. For example, a AAA layer that has transported the MSK MUST delete it, and keys MUST NOT be derived from the MSK from that point forward. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 02:52:20 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhjEo-0000L2-Ml for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 02:52:20 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA02945 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABB04301D4 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:52:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797C5430067 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262E880C1E1 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8177A80C1CC for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id jB17pUbf002216; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:51:30 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id jB17pU3N007807; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:51:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id SAA07775 ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:51:30 +0900 Received: from mx2.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id jB17pUJJ023369; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:51:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpoa.po.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id jB17pSa9010115; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([133.196.16.149]) by mail.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0IQT00FI475SED10@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EhjCU-0005Q0-Kz; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:49:54 -0800 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 02:49:54 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] issue: aaa-key confusion (review of eap-keying-08 by matsnaslund) In-reply-to: To: Bernard Aboba Message-id: <20051201074954.GC20379@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline References: <438E8A3B.5090500@piuha.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: mats.naslund@ericsson.com, eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 10:04:22PM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: > Since existing EAP lower layers only make use of the MSK, the MSK must be > transported from the server to authenticator in order to provide for mode > independence. Currently it is not necessary to transport other keys, since > existing lower layers don't use them. However, it does not necessarily > follow that only the MSK can be transported. > > So yes, the MSK must be transported as a consequence of mode independence. > And yes, AAA-Key = MSK, but this is a tautology, not a consequence of any > principle. I think AAA-Key=MSK is not a requirement for mode independence. Other AAA-Key derivation algorithm described in draft-ohba-eap-aaakey-binding can also provide mode independence. > I think it is more correct to say that "all keys which are > required by the lower layer need to be transported from the server to the > authenticator", and leave the term "AAA-Key" out of it. This looks good. > > > > >From: Jari Arkko > >To: eap@frascone.com > >CC: "Mats N?slund (KI/EAB)" > >Subject: [eap] issue: aaa-key confusion (review of eap-keying-08 by > >matsnaslund) > >Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:29:31 +0200 > > > >Submitter name: Mats Naslund > >Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com > >Reference: (this email) > >Document: Keying Framework > >Comment type: T > >Priority: 1 > >Section: multiple > >Rationale/Explanation of issue: > > > >AAA-Key > > A key derived by the peer and EAP server, used by the peer and > > authenticator in the derivation of Transient Session Keys (TSKs). > > Where a backend authentication server is present, the AAA-Key is > > transported from the backend authentication server to the > > authenticator. In existing usage, the AAA-Key is always derived > > from the MSK and so can be referred to using the MSK name. AAA-Key > > = MSK(0,63). > > > >MN: Isn't it the case that we MUST > >have AAAk = MSK for mode independence?? Why does it only say > >"in existing usage..." > > > >The purpose of the PMK is a bit unclear to me... > > > > Within EAP, the primary function of the AAA protocol is to maintain > > the principle of Mode Independence, so that as far as the EAP peer is > > concerned, its conversation with the EAP authenticator, and all > > consequences of that conversation, are identical, regardless of the > > authenticator mode of operation. > > > >MN: Doesn't this imply that AAAk MUST be equal to MSK? > > > > An additional step (phase 1b) is required in deployments which > > include a backend authentication server, in order to transport keying > > material from the backend authentication server to the authenticator. > > In order to obey the principle of Mode Independence, where a backend > > server is present AAA Key transport needs to provide the exported EAP > > keying material and/or derived keys required for derivation of the > > TSKs. Since existing TSK derivation techniques depend solely on the > > MSK, in existing AAA implementations, this is the only keying > > material replicated in the AAA key transport phase 1b. > > > >MN: again does this imply that MSK = AAAk? 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tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Subject: [eap] Issue: Comments on draft-ietf-eap-keying-08b.txt section 1 X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Submitter name: Joe Salowey Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com Reference: (this email) Document: Keying Framework Comment type: E Priority: 1 Section: multiple in section 1 Section 1.3=20 -- "The EAP server also stores the peer's identity and/or other information necessary to decide whether access to some service should be granted. " This sentence (appearing twice) makes it sound like the EAP server is going to decide whether to access to a server should be granted. It would be better to say something like "The EAP server also stores the peer's identity and/or other information associated with the identity. This information may be provided with the authenticated identity to the entity that determines whether access to the service that required EAP authentication should be granted." -- Since IV is being deprecated I think we should reference it a little as possible, suggestion is to remove refernces to IV in this section. It should be removed in figure 1.=20 -- "EAP methods also MAY export method-specific peer and server identifiers (peer-ID and server-ID), a method-specific EAP conversation identifier known as the Method-ID, and the lifetime of the exported keys, known the Key-Lifetime. EAP methods MAY also support the import and export of Channel Bindings. New EAP method specifications MUST define the Peer-ID, Server-ID and Method-ID. The combination of the Peer-ID and Server-ID uniquely specifies the endpoints of the EAP method exchange." It seems that additional data associated with the identity should be exported to satisfy section 1.3. Suggestion is to add this and call them identity attributes. In this paragraph the it states that the "Peer-ID and Server-ID uniquely specifies the endpoints of the EAP method exchange", however further down it states that these quantities may be null. This is contradictory. Suggested modificaiton to above text: "The combination of the Peer-ID and Server-ID may uniquely specify the endpoints of the EAP method exchange if the method supports unique IDs." -- There are two styles of channel bindings that may be supported by EAP methods. The text in this section describes exportable channel bindings. There is also the approach where the bindings are non exportable. In this case the method does a binary comparision of the channelbindings or hash of the channel bindings and fails if the result does not match. I can see the possibility of a method supporting both styles. Should we include both? --- Section 1.3.1 ---=20 Should remove reference to IV -- Section 1.4=20 --- Exportable channel binding are references in this section, non-exportable ones are not. 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It is between these entities that the security association protocol is typically run. The MSK is transported to the lower layer.=20 AAA is not an EAP lower layer except in the special case where the AAA client and server are acting as the EAP Peer and EAP Authenticator for some reason (an example of this could was in EUSM). Entities other than the lower layer may obtain keys derived from the EMSK. =20 Requested change: Section 2.1 -----------=20 change "Of these phases, Phase 0, 1b and Phase 2 are handled by a lower layer." To=20 "Of these phases, Phase 0, 1b and Phase 2 are handled external to EAP. Phases 0 and 2 are handled by the lower layer protocol and phase 1b is typically handled by a AAA protocol." Section 2.2 ------------ (remove references to IV) --- Change "The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to the lower layer, nor is it permitted to pass any quantity to the lower layer from which the EMSK could be computed without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as inverting a one-way function." To "The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to an entity outside the EAP server or peer,=20 nor is it permitted to pass any quantity to an entity outside the EAP server or peer from which the EMSK could be computed without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as inverting a one-way function." --- Change=20 "In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, lower layers other than AAA MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP methods. " To=20 "In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, lower layers MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP methods. " --- Change "EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer other than AAA MUST NOT be transported to another entity." To "EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer MUST NOT be transported to another entity." --- Change "The exception to the "no sharing" rule is the AAA layer. On EAP server, keying material requested by and passed down to the AAA layer may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be maintained. " To=20 "The AAA layer may transport keys that are exported from the EAP server. On EAP server, keying material requested by and passed down to the AAA layer may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be maintained." ----------- Section 2.3 ----------- Change=20 "The caching behavior of existing EAP lower layers is as follows:" To "The caching behavior of existing EAP lower layers and AAA layers is as follows:" _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 01 18:08:27 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhxXO-00088P-U0 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:08:27 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA29210 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCA5430117 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7397E430058 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FC580C11F for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C6980C11A for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Dec 2005 15:08:10 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,203,1131350400"; d="scan'208"; a="680384581:sNHT30088728" Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jB1N89CJ029877 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:08:09 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:14:01 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A7EF7@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material Thread-Index: AcX2zBeFJwaHrbEUS9m8U0pL+tnmrA== From: "Salowey, Joe" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Subject: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Submitter name: Joe Salowey Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com Date first submitted: 12/1/2005 Reference: Document: Keying Framework Comment type: 'T'echnical Priority: '1' Should fix Section: 2.2 Rationale/Explanation of issue: The document states=20 "In order to prevent the compromise of transported EAP keying material and parameters, the AAA client and EAP authenticator MUST be co-resident." It could be possible for the EAP authenticator to use another secure protocol other than a AAA protocol to transport EAP key material. =20 Requested change: "In order to prevent the compromise of transported EAP keying material and parameters they MUST be securely transmitted from the entity that hosts the EAP server to the entity that hosts the EAP authenticator and makes use of the key material." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From wearer@fidesur.com Thu Dec 01 19:31:05 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhypI-0000DY-UI for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:31:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA10672 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 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8BA4980C18B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f29.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.39]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9833B80C199 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:59:15 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:59:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A7EF7@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jsalowey@cisco.com, eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:59:15 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 06:59:15.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[E89B3B10:01C5F70D] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com I think the issue here is similar to the one brought up in Issue 313. An EAP authenticator may be constructed in a variety of ways. Whether the authenticator has multiple ports or a single port, involves multiple CPUs or a single CPU, or even is constructed using lightweight APs and a WLAN switch is not relevant to EAP. For EAP purposes, an Authenticator is an entity that identifies itself with a single authenticator identity, both within the lower layer as well as in AAA. Neither the EAP peer nor the AAA server care about the details of how the authenticator is constructed, and neither should this document. So when the document says that the "Authenticator and AAA cilent are co-resident" it means that both the Authenticator and AAA client share the same authenticator identity. This is required, because if it were not true then Channel Bindings would fail to verify. That's probably all we can or should say on this subject. >From: "Salowey, Joe" >To: >Subject: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material >Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:14:01 -0800 > >Submitter name: Joe Salowey >Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com >Date first submitted: 12/1/2005 >Reference: >Document: Keying Framework >Comment type: 'T'echnical >Priority: '1' Should fix >Section: 2.2 >Rationale/Explanation of issue: > >The document states > >"In order to prevent the compromise of > transported EAP keying material and parameters, the AAA client and > EAP authenticator MUST be co-resident." > >It could be possible for the EAP authenticator to use another secure >protocol other than a AAA protocol to transport EAP key material. > >Requested change: > >"In order to prevent the compromise of > transported EAP keying material and parameters they MUST be securely >transmitted from the entity that hosts the EAP server to the entity that >hosts the EAP authenticator and makes use of the key material." >_________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Dec 02 10:35:00 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EiCw8-0007jj-P0 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:35:00 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA07402 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC53430105 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:34:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50949430093 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:34:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C67780C1D0 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:34:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f14.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.24]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3292F80C267 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:34:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:34:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:34:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43905D99.4030909@ericsson.com> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] issue: key separation Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:34:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 15:34:13.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[D93C3690:01C5F755] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: aboba@internaut.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com >Yes. I guess my basic comment boils down to: how should EAP key mgmt >be done "tomorrow"? I.e. how do we provide things such as key >separation, seamless inter access handover, etc. From what I now >understand, it seems that EAP itself may not be a good place to >specify this sort of more "advanced" things. > >/Mats That is a difficult question. Here are some (semi-random) thoughts: 1. With the increasing emphasis on "crypto-agility" we cannot utilize hard-coded algorithms; every cryptographic algorithm has to be negotiable. Since within EAP methods ciphersuite negotiation is restricted to what is necessary for the EAP method itself (not the data or subsequent lower layer key derivation), EAP itself cannot provide the required crypto-agility. However lower layers can provide the required agility. The implication seems to be that the algorithm used to generate AMSKs from the EMSK needs to be negotiated in the lower layer, and therefore the AMSK generation algorithm cannot be hard coded in the EAP layer. If AMSK generation occurs in the EAP layer, this creates the prospect of continually having to upgrade the EAP implementation every time a new lower layer defines a new KDF for AMSK generation. This would seem to violate the principle of media independence. This problem does not exist if the EMSK is passed down to the lower layer, which can then generate AMSKs itself. If a new lower layer defines a different algorithm for AMSK generation, then only that lower layer needs to change; the EAP implementation does not need to be upgraded. 2. IEEE 802.11r has developed a "fast BSS transition" scheme which depends only on the MSK. The scheme does appear to be compatible with much of the "AAA Key Management" document, yet it does not require the use of the EMSK. Here is how it works. Something called the "PMK-R1" is derived from the MSK. The PMK-R1s are cryptographically separate from each other, and a different PMK-R1 is derived for each port. Note that within IEEE 802.11r only a single authenticator (known as the "Mobility Domain Controller") obtains the MSK (PMK-R0), which is never shared with other authenticators. At various points there has been discussion of deleting the MSK (PMK-R0) once the PMK-R1s are derived from it, although that is not in the current document. >From what I can tell, IEEE 802.11r does provide many of the required security properties, including key lifetime negotiation, authenticator identification, TSK freshness, ciphersuite and KDF/PRF negotiation, etc. It is true that compromise of the MSK will compromise the entire "mobility domain". However, it is possible to configure the mobility domain so that it corresponds to a single authenticator (e.g. a single WLAN switch). Even where the "mobility domain" corresponds to multiple authenticators, compromise of any authenticator that is not also the Mobility Domain Controller does not lead to cascading vulnerabilities. In other words, obtaining one PMK-R1 does not help you obtain other PMK-R1s or the MSK. If the MSK were to be deleted after PMK-R1 calculation, compromise of a Mobility Domain Controller after PMK-R1 distribution would not lead to compromise of other authenticators. Only possession of the MSK would permit that. There is still more work to be done with IEEE 802.11r (Version 1.0 only issued recently), but it is well worth reading. Any IETF participant can participate in the ballot process as a non-voter. Here is a pointer to the document (ask for the archive password if you don't already have it): http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/11/private/Draft_Standards/11r/P802.11r-D1.0.pdf _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Dec 02 10:35:54 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EiCx0-0000FK-4V for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:35:54 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA07509 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068A743011F for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DF7430093 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:35:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA6780C19D for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:35:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E9680C174 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E82898C3; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:35:19 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <438FE5F7.8000003@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:13:11 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] issue: distributed authenticators (review of eap-keying-08 by mats naslund) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.211 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 Cc: mats.naslund@ericsson.com, eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id KAA07509 Ok. But I wonder if it would be good to have some of the text from your e-mail below even in the document. --Jari Bernard Aboba wrote: > The key framework document does not constrain the authenticator=20 > implementation. For > example, any of the CAPWAP architectures can be used. > > The EAP conversation is between the peer and server. These are the=20 > only identities > that matter to the parties; the authenticator identity, if known at=20 > all, is only treated > as an opaque blob for the purposes of Channel bindings. > > However, the SAP conversation is between the peer and the=20 > authenticator. It is possible for > multiple base stations and a "controller" (e.g. WLAN switch) to=20 > comprise a single authenticator. > Since an authenticator may have many ports, the authenticator ID is=20 > distinct from any port > identifier (e.g. BSSID). > > Therefore from the point of view of the EAP peer, the "base station=20 > identity" > (e.g. Called-Station-ID) is irrelevant except as an opaque blob to be=20 > used in > Channel Bindings. All that matters is the authenticator identity,=20 > because that > defines the scope of the EAP keying material. Many base stations can=20 > share the > same authenticator identity. > > Having said this, the scope of the Transient Session Keys is defined=20 > by the SAP. Typically > a SAP will bind the TSKs to a particular port, so that the session=20 > keys do *not* have > authenticator-wide scope -- they can only be used on a particular port=20 > (e.g. layer 2 > endpoint address). But this is not a requirement; an authenticator can=20 > allow > TSKs to be reused on different ports assuming that it can guarantee=20 > TSK freshness > (such as by keeping centralized replay counter state). My=20 > understanding is that some > WLAN switches allow multiple ports to use the same TSK with IEEE 802.11= i. > > Perhaps it would be more clear to state: > > Transient Session Keys (TSKs) > Session keys used to protect data exchanged after EAP authenticatio= n > has successfully completed, using the ciphersuite negotiated > between the EAP peer and authenticator. > > >> From: Jari Arkko >> To: eap@frascone.com >> CC: "Mats N=E4slund (KI/EAB)" >> Subject: [eap] issue: distributed authenticators (review of=20 >> eap-keying-08 by mats naslund) >> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:28:56 +0200 >> >> Submitter name: Mats Naslund >> Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com >> Reference: (this email) >> Document: Keying Framework >> Comment type: T >> Priority: 1 >> Section: multiple >> Rationale/Explanation of issue: >> >> Encryption Key" (Enc-SEND-Key) (reception is defined from the poin= t >> of view of the authenticator). Within [IEEE-802.11i] Octets 0-31 >> of the MSK (Enc-RECV-Key) are known as the Pairwise Master Key >> (PMK). In [IEEE-802.11i] the TKIP and AES CCMP ciphersuites deriv= e >> their Transient Session Keys (TSKs) solely from the PMK, whereas >> the WEP ciphersuite as noted in [RFC3580], derives its TSKs from >> both halves of the MSK. >> >> MN: See comment a few lines down. >> >> Transient EAP Keys (TEKs) >> Session keys which are used to establish a protected channel >> between the EAP peer and server during the EAP authentication >> exchange. The TEKs are appropriate for use with the ciphersuite >> negotiated between EAP peer and server for use in protecting the >> EAP conversation. The TEKs are stored locally by the EAP method >> and are not exported. Note that the ciphersuite used to set up th= e >> protected channel between the EAP peer and server during EAP >> authentication is unrelated to the ciphersuite used to subsequentl= y >> protect data sent between the EAP peer and authenticator. An >> example TEK key hierarchy is described in Appendix A. >> >> Transient Session Keys (TSKs) >> Session keys used to protect data exchanged in a session between >> the peer and authenticator after the EAP authentication has >> successfully completed. TSKs are appropriate for the lower layer >> ciphersuite negotiated between the ports of the EAP peer and >> authenticator. Examples of TSK derivation are provided in Appendi= x >> B. >> >> MN: Here I have some trouble... This seems to mandate that protection >> (on the network side) MUST be terminated in the authenticator. >> In WiMAX, the authenticator is in the AGW, but the session protection >> is in the BS. >> >> I.e. it is not clear why both PMK and TSK should be shared between the >> same two entities... Doesn't one shared key suufice? >> >> TSKs are permitted to be accessed only by the EAP peer and >> authenticator. Since the TSKs can be determined from the transporte= d >> >> MN: does this imply that the authenticator always needs to be in the >> "base station"? 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eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Dec 02 12:34:07 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EiEnP-0006NI-LQ for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:34:07 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22225 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F39430127 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:34:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FFD43005A for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D8C80C255 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BCF80C11A for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Dec 2005 09:33:54 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,207,1131350400"; d="scan'208"; a="680705352:sNHT34899524" Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jB2HXpQK020738; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:33:52 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:39:44 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A7FF1@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material Thread-Index: AcX3DsD1YRm9ThcLRqio6eDeB3KUHQAUdaVA From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:59 PM > To: Salowey, Joe; eap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP=20 > keying material >=20 > I think the issue here is similar to the one brought up in=20 > Issue 313. =20 [Joe] Yes, it is.=20 > An EAP authenticator may be constructed in a=20 > variety of ways. Whether the authenticator has multiple=20 > ports or a single port, involves multiple CPUs or a single=20 > CPU, or even is constructed using lightweight APs and a WLAN=20 > switch is not relevant to EAP. >=20 > For EAP purposes, an Authenticator is an entity that=20 > identifies itself with a single authenticator identity, both=20 > within the lower layer as well as in AAA. Neither the EAP=20 > peer nor the AAA server care about the details of how the=20 > authenticator is constructed, and neither should this document. >=20 [Joe] This makes sense. If we define an authenticator to span multiple physical entities then I am OK with the current text. Perhaps we should include this in the definition or point to sections of the document where this is described. I'm thinking maybe we should pull the description of the authenticator variations out of 2.4 into its own section on EAP authenticator. > So when the document says that the "Authenticator and AAA=20 > cilent are co-resident" it means that both the Authenticator=20 > and AAA client share the same authenticator identity. This=20 > is required, because if it were not true then Channel=20 > Bindings would fail to verify. =20 [Joe] I'm not sure that this is true. I'm not sure that the authenticator identity is necessarily the only choice for identifier. The lower layer must define what the identifier is, define attribtues in AAA protocols need to carry the identifier and how to do comparisions of the identifier. However this is a separate issue related to section 2.4. =20 > That's probably all we can or=20 > should say on this subject. >=20 > >From: "Salowey, Joe" > >To: > >Subject: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material > >Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:14:01 -0800 > > > >Submitter name: Joe Salowey > >Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com Date first submitted:=20 > >12/1/2005 > >Reference: > >Document: Keying Framework > >Comment type: 'T'echnical > >Priority: '1' Should fix > >Section: 2.2 > >Rationale/Explanation of issue: > > > >The document states > > > >"In order to prevent the compromise of > > transported EAP keying material and parameters, the AAA=20 > client and > > EAP authenticator MUST be co-resident." > > > >It could be possible for the EAP authenticator to use another secure=20 > >protocol other than a AAA protocol to transport EAP key material. > > > >Requested change: > > > >"In order to prevent the compromise of > > transported EAP keying material and parameters they MUST be=20 > >securely transmitted from the entity that hosts the EAP=20 > server to the=20 > >entity that hosts the EAP authenticator and makes use of the=20 > key material." > >_________________________________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap >=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From ccoates@imgworld.com Fri Dec 02 15:19:50 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EiHNk-0003iP-Jp; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:19:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA09843; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EiHiS-0004wQ-AE; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:41:14 -0500 Received: from 24.115.213.81.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net ([24.115.213.81]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EiHNR-0006ya-9D; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:19:29 -0500 Received: (from tomcat@localhost) by 24.115.213.81 (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j2CHmn3V011780 for dvsqhmanet@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:19:17 -0600 Message-ID: <716v832v.6120324@65.246.255.50> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:19:17 -0600 From: "Jim Murdock" X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.493 (Entity 5.495) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dvsqhmanet@ietf.org Cc: dxnvmrouting-discussion-admin@ietf.org, e3@ietf.org, eamoby@ietf.org, eap-archive@ietf.org, eb-archive@ietf.org, eccmtmagma-admin@ietf.org, ediint-archive@ietf.org, edu-discuss@ietf.org, edu-discuss-admin@ietf.org, edu-discuss-web-archive@ietf.org, edu-team@ietf.org, edu-team-admin@ietf.org, edu-team-bounces@ietf.org, edu-team-web-archive@ietf.org, efkhoipoverib@ietf.org, elisa.childress@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: (-2.728) BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 24.115.213.81 X-Scanned-By: SpamAssassin 3.599196, File::Scan 0.08, Archive::Zip 1.23 X-Recipient: Subject: Your account #89025 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_84349724==.OLA" X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 7da5a831c477fb6ef97f379a05fb683c This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_84349724==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5F945.4ECC5200-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Dec 05 00:37:52 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ej92u-0008EO-KK for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:37:52 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA00840 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:37:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4AD4300F4 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FC843006B for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFB880C159 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D7680C134 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2005 21:37:30 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,213,1131350400"; d="scan'208"; a="681258511:sNHT36877008" Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jB55bRQK026316; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:37:27 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] issue: aaa-key confusion (review of eap-keying-08 bymatsnaslund) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:43:21 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A8251@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] issue: aaa-key confusion (review of eap-keying-08 bymatsnaslund) Thread-Index: AcX2PerkRTKtPv0kSeG8/Snhlv+WGADHvHOw From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Bernard Aboba" , , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: mats.naslund@ericsson.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:04 PM > To: jari.arkko@piuha.net; eap@frascone.com > Cc: mats.naslund@ericsson.com > Subject: RE: [eap] issue: aaa-key confusion (review of=20 > eap-keying-08 bymatsnaslund) >=20 > Since existing EAP lower layers only make use of the MSK, the=20 > MSK must be transported from the server to authenticator in=20 > order to provide for mode independence. Currently it is not=20 > necessary to transport other keys, since existing lower=20 > layers don't use them. However, it does not necessarily=20 > follow that only the MSK can be transported. >=20 > So yes, the MSK must be transported as a consequence of mode=20 > independence.=20 > And yes, AAA-Key =3D MSK, but this is a tautology, not a=20 > consequence of any principle. I think it is more correct to=20 > say that "all keys which are required by the lower layer need=20 > to be transported from the server to the authenticator", and=20 > leave the term "AAA-Key" out of it. >=20 [Joe] I don't really like the name AAA-key either, but it is somewhat = descriptive of the keys that are sent to the authenticator. The = AAA-Key=3DMSK does not have to be true in all cases in order to support = mode independence. The lower layer just needs to define things in such = that the key is derived the same way regardless of the back end = architecture. We should have a section in the document which describes = what the lower layer needs to define, and how to derive the keys that = are sent to the authenticator (AAA-KEY?) should be part of this.=20 >=20 >=20 > >From: Jari Arkko > >To: eap@frascone.com > >CC: "Mats N=E4slund (KI/EAB)" > >Subject: [eap] issue: aaa-key confusion (review of eap-keying-08 by > >matsnaslund) > >Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:29:31 +0200 > > > >Submitter name: Mats Naslund > >Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com > >Reference: (this email) > >Document: Keying Framework > >Comment type: T > >Priority: 1 > >Section: multiple > >Rationale/Explanation of issue: > > > >AAA-Key > > A key derived by the peer and EAP server, used by the peer and > > authenticator in the derivation of Transient Session=20 > Keys (TSKs). > > Where a backend authentication server is present, the AAA-Key is > > transported from the backend authentication server to the > > authenticator. In existing usage, the AAA-Key is always derived > > from the MSK and so can be referred to using the MSK=20 > name. AAA-Key > > =3D MSK(0,63). > > > >MN: Isn't it the case that we MUST > >have AAAk =3D MSK for mode independence?? Why does it only say "in=20 > >existing usage..." > > > >The purpose of the PMK is a bit unclear to me... > > > > Within EAP, the primary function of the AAA protocol is=20 > to maintain > > the principle of Mode Independence, so that as far as the=20 > EAP peer is > > concerned, its conversation with the EAP authenticator, and all > > consequences of that conversation, are identical,=20 > regardless of the > > authenticator mode of operation. > > > >MN: Doesn't this imply that AAAk MUST be equal to MSK? > > > > An additional step (phase 1b) is required in deployments which > > include a backend authentication server, in order to=20 > transport keying > > material from the backend authentication server to the=20 > authenticator. > > In order to obey the principle of Mode Independence,=20 > where a backend > > server is present AAA Key transport needs to provide the=20 > exported EAP > > keying material and/or derived keys required for derivation of the > > TSKs. Since existing TSK derivation techniques depend=20 > solely on the > > MSK, in existing AAA implementations, this is the only keying > > material replicated in the AAA key transport phase 1b. > > > >MN: again does this imply that MSK =3D AAAk? How else get mode=20 > independence? > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap >=20 > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap >=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Dec 05 00:42:09 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ej973-0000WP-Bm for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:42:09 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA01072 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:41:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2404300E3 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:42:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8499843006D for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7770E80C172 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6011D80C158 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2005 21:41:56 -0800 Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jB55fr9k012147; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:41:54 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] issue: key separation (review of eap-keying-08 bymatsnaslund) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:47:48 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A8253@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] issue: key separation (review of eap-keying-08 bymatsnaslund) Thread-Index: AcX2Ria2B20SUvzYROe2rVlEIBAxXgDGBEyA From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Bernard Aboba" , , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: mats.naslund@ericsson.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:03 PM > To: jari.arkko@piuha.net; eap@frascone.com > Cc: mats.naslund@ericsson.com > Subject: RE: [eap] issue: key separation (review of=20 > eap-keying-08 bymatsnaslund) >=20 > The document is describing what is done today, which is that=20 > the MSK is passed down to the lower layer. >=20 > One of the questions we have been discussing is whether the=20 > EAP layer can provide for key separation. One problem is that=20 > the EAP layer does not have a mechanism by which it can=20 > negotiate the cryptographic algorithms with which to compute=20 > the "separate keys". >=20 > EAP methods can negotiate ciphersuites, but this only applies=20 > to the EAP conversation. > There is no way for an EAP method to negotiate the f() used=20 > to compute the lower layer keys. So if the EAP layer=20 > specifies a KDF using a fixed algorithm (e.g.=20 > SHA-1) and > that algorithm is compromised, there is no way to fix it.=20 > This seems short-sighted. >=20 [Joe] We have discussed previously the capability of an EAP method to = specify or negotiate a KDF for an EMSK to AMSK derivation. This could = apply to other internal derivations as well. This seems like it would = be part of the ciphersuite agility for an EAP method.=20 > Layers below EAP have a lot more flexibility -- and therefore=20 > if "crypto-agility" is required, then negotiation of f()=20 > needs to occur below EAP. Today there is no "middle layer"=20 > between EAP and the lower layer, so the only way this can be=20 > handled is in the lower layer. >=20 [Joe] EAP methods should have some crypto agility as well.=20 > In terms of operation, there is no interaction between the=20 > SAPs. The EAP keying material is used only by the lower layer=20 > over which the EAP conversation occurred. >=20 >=20 > >From: Jari Arkko > >To: eap@frascone.com > >CC: "Mats N=E4slund (KI/EAB)" > >Subject: [eap] issue: key separation (review of eap-keying-08 by=20 > >matsnaslund) > >Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:32:41 +0200 > > > >Submitter name: Mats Naslund > >Submitter email address: Mats.Naslund@ericsson.com > >Reference: (this email) > >Document: Keying Framework > >Comment type: T > >Priority: 1 > >Section: multiple > >Rationale/Explanation of issue: > > > > In order to preserve the security of keys derived within=20 > EAP methods, > > lower layers other than AAA MUST NOT export keys passed=20 > down by EAP > > methods. This implies that EAP keying material or=20 > parameters passed > > down to a lower layer are for the exclusive use of that=20 > lower layer > > and MUST NOT be used within another lower layer. This prevents > > compromise of one lower layer from compromising other applications > > using EAP keying parameters. > > > >MN: I guess this is "key separation"... But if this is a=20 > MUST requirement, > >why not here standardize a way to do it? I.e. > > > > lower_layer_key =3D f(MSK, layer_ID). > > > > In order to provide method independence, key > > management of exported or derived keys SHOULD NOT be=20 > provided within > > EAP methods. > > > >MN: does this exclude that EAP can provide key separation? > > > > Since neither EAP nor EAP methods provide key management=20 > support, it > > is RECOMMENDED that key management facilities be provided=20 > within the > > Secure Association Protocol. This includes: > > > >MN: But if the MSK is always sent to the SA protocol, it really does > >not help if the SA protocol does e.g. key separation. Compromise > >of the "entity" hosting the SA protocol would still compromise the > >MSK. I guess I am asking: is there a "middle layer" missing, between > >EAP and the SA procotol that takes care of key separation? > > > >[a] Entity Naming. A basic feature of a Secure Association=20 > Protocol is > > the explicit naming of the parties engaged in the exchange. > > Without explicit identification, the parties engaged in the > > exchange are not identified and the scope of the EAP keying > > parameters negotiated during the EAP exchange is undefined. As > > shown in Figure 5, both the peer and authenticator may have more > > than one physical or virtual port, and as a result=20 > SHOULD identify > > themselves in a manner that is independent of their=20 > attached ports. > > > > > >(snip) > > > >[j] Bi-directional operation While some ciphersuites only require a > > single set of transient session keys to protect traffic in both > > directions, other ciphersuites require a unique set of transient > > session keys in each direction. The phase 2 Secure Association > > Protocol SHOULD provide for the derivation of unicast=20 > and multicast > > keys in each direction, so as not to require two=20 > separate phase 2 > > exchanges in order to create a bi-directional phase 2 security > > association. > > > >MN: This part clarifies a lot. So, it seems there is a=20 > "layer" missing... > >It is said above that it is RECOMMENDED that the Secure Association > >Protocol (SAP) supports all of this. But what about=20 > interaction between > >different SAPs? I.e. should there be a layer below EAP, but above SAP > >that takes care of inter-access key separation? Or, where is=20 > this done? > >Or is cross-SAP usage prohibited? > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap >=20 > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap >=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Dec 05 00:48:10 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ej9Cs-0001zL-Dp for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:48:10 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA01539 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1973343011E for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA02643006D for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:47:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB49080C159 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:47:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36C780C135 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:47:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2005 21:47:37 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,213,1131350400"; d="scan'208"; a="681262693:sNHT35876860" Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jB55lY9k014545; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:47:34 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] issue: key separation Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:53:29 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A8256@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] issue: key separation Thread-Index: AcX3VsA/eEkTZ/48SKaGlzF0Yh4wWACB/RTg From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: aboba@internaut.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:34 AM > To: eap@frascone.com > Cc: aboba@internaut.com > Subject: Re: [eap] issue: key separation >=20 > >Yes. I guess my basic comment boils down to: how should EAP=20 > key mgmt be=20 > >done "tomorrow"? I.e. how do we provide things such as key=20 > separation,=20 > >seamless inter access handover, etc. From what I now understand, it=20 > >seems that EAP itself may not be a good place to specify=20 > this sort of=20 > >more "advanced" things. > > > >/Mats >=20 > That is a difficult question. Here are some (semi-random) thoughts: >=20 > 1. With the increasing emphasis on "crypto-agility" we cannot=20 > utilize hard-coded algorithms; every cryptographic algorithm=20 > has to be negotiable. =20 > Since within EAP methods ciphersuite negotiation is=20 > restricted to what is necessary for the EAP method itself=20 > (not the data or subsequent lower layer key derivation), EAP=20 > itself cannot provide the required crypto-agility. > [Joe] EAP methods can provide crypto agility. I don't see a need for the lower layer to be involved.=20 =20 > However lower layers can provide the required agility. The=20 > implication seems to be that the algorithm used to generate=20 > AMSKs from the EMSK needs to be negotiated in the lower=20 > layer, and therefore the AMSK generation=20 > algorithm cannot be hard coded in the EAP layer. If AMSK=20 > generation=20 > occurs in the EAP layer, this creates the prospect of=20 > continually having to upgrade the EAP implementation every=20 > time a new lower layer defines a new KDF for AMSK generation.=20 > This would seem to violate the principle of media independence. >=20 [Joe] The lower layer must not define the KDF for AMSK generation. AMSK generation must be independent of the lower layer. The KDF for AMSK generation should use an method dependent one or define its own.=20 > This problem does not exist if the EMSK is passed down to the=20 > lower layer, which can then generate AMSKs itself. If a new=20 > lower layer defines a different algorithm for AMSK=20 > generation, then only that lower layer needs to change; the=20 > EAP implementation does not need to be upgraded. >=20 [Joe] The EMSK must not be passed down to the lower layer.=20 > 2. IEEE 802.11r has developed a "fast BSS transition" scheme=20 > which depends=20 > only on the MSK. The scheme does appear to be compatible=20 > with much of the=20 > "AAA Key Management" document, yet it does not require the=20 > use of the EMSK. =20 > Here is how it works. >=20 > Something called the "PMK-R1" is derived from the MSK. The=20 > PMK-R1s are cryptographically separate from each other, and a=20 > different PMK-R1 is derived for each port. Note that within=20 > IEEE 802.11r only a single authenticator (known as the=20 > "Mobility Domain Controller") obtains the MSK=20 > (PMK-R0), which is never shared with other authenticators. =20 > At various=20 > points there has been discussion of deleting the MSK (PMK-R0)=20 > once the PMK-R1s are derived from it, although that is not in=20 > the current document. >=20 > >From what I can tell, IEEE 802.11r does provide many of the required > security properties, including key lifetime negotiation,=20 > authenticator=20 > identification, TSK freshness, ciphersuite and KDF/PRF=20 > negotiation, etc. =20 > It is true that compromise of the MSK will compromise the=20 > entire "mobility domain". However, it is possible to=20 > configure the mobility domain so that it corresponds to a=20 > single authenticator (e.g. a single WLAN switch). >=20 > Even where the "mobility domain" corresponds to multiple=20 > authenticators, compromise of any authenticator that is not=20 > also the Mobility Domain Controller does not lead to=20 > cascading vulnerabilities. In other words, obtaining one=20 > PMK-R1 does not help you obtain other PMK-R1s or the MSK. If=20 > the MSK were to be deleted after PMK-R1 calculation,=20 > compromise of a Mobility Domain Controller after PMK-R1=20 > distribution would not lead to compromise of other=20 > authenticators. Only possession of the MSK would permit that. >=20 > There is still more work to be done with IEEE 802.11r=20 > (Version 1.0 only issued recently), but it is well worth=20 > reading. Any IETF participant can participate in the ballot=20 > process as a non-voter. Here is a pointer to the document=20 > (ask for the archive password if you don't already have it): > http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/11/private/Draft_Standards/ > 11r/P802.11r-D1.0.pdf >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap >=20 > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap >=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From parlor@audio-design.biz Mon Dec 05 03:23:44 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjBdP-0008Lm-W3 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 03:23:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org 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From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Dec 05 15:59:31 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjNQj-0000eO-SV for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:59:31 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA10114 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482B943012C for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:59:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3734F4300A2 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2550180C1C3 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABFC80C179 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall11.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.90.149]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id jB5Kwtbf015372; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 05:58:55 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by wall11.toshiba.co.jp id jB5KxHmT012063; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 05:59:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp11.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.90.148] by wall11.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id FAA12012; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 05:59:17 +0900 Received: from mx2.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp11.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id jB5KwsbL004162; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 05:58:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpoa.po.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id jB5KwsEx009036; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 05:58:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.104]) by mail.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0IR100M71MA01Q30@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 05:58:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EjNPa-0001MH-7J; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:58:14 -0800 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:58:14 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] Authenticator versus AAA client In-reply-to: To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 Message-id: <20051205205814.GD2888@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com, Mohan.Parthasarathy@nokia.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 05:47:49PM -0500, Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 wrote: > > Hi folks, > > We are struggling to understand the true definition of EAP pass-through > authenticator and how it differs from a AAA client. So here are some > functions that we have in mind, we are trying to understand what > function fits where: > > > AAA client functionality: > Run AAA protocol with AAA server. > Receive authorization info from AAA server > > EAP pass-through Authenticator > Understand EAP success/ failure, but not EAP request/ responses. EAP pass-through authenticator does understand EAP Requests and Responses for matching the Requests with Responses. But EAP path-through authenticator does not need to understand the content of the Data field of the Requests and Responses. > > > Things we need but not sure where to fit? Authenticator or AAA client? > Converting EAP/link layer to EAP/AAA? I would say this is AAA client. > Receiving master keys from AAA server? Yes, EAP keying defines this as > authenticator, but it would seem that this is AAA client, since keys are > sent over AAA protocol. AAA client receives the master keys from AAA server, but it just passes the received keys to the EAP pass-through authenticator and never caches the keys. So I think the pass-through authenticator is the final receiver of the master keys. Yoshihiro Ohba > > Any guidance? > > Thanks, > > Madjid Nakhjiri > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Dec 05 18:30:54 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjPnF-000817-Hf for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:30:54 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA00702 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7DA4300B2 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9CB43006D for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92FED80C186 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate8.mot.com (motgate8.mot.com [129.188.136.8]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002B580C16F for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:30:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from il06exr02.mot.com (il06exr02.mot.com [129.188.137.132]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate7) with ESMTP id jB5NhP1d029199 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:43:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm70.ds.mot.com (de01exm70.am.mot.com [10.176.8.26]) by il06exr02.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jB5NePRs000558 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:40:25 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Authenticator versus AAA client Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:29:58 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Authenticator versus AAA client Thread-Index: AcX53rlfQg8vBoPnTd2eKlLsXxi3gwAFKpag From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: "Yoshihiro Ohba" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 , eap@frascone.com, Mohan.Parthasarathy@nokia.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Yoshiro, Ok, thanks for the clarification. Agreed. EAP pass-through authenticator does understand EAP Requests and Responses for matching the Requests with Responses. But EAP path-through authenticator does not need to understand the content of the Data field of the Requests and Responses. AAA client receives the master keys from AAA server, but it just passes the received keys to the EAP pass-through authenticator and never caches the keys. So I think the pass-through authenticator is the final receiver of the master keys. Madjid>> I can understand that this is a logical deduction, but is there anywhere it is stated that AAA client cannot cache the keys, but authenticator can? 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From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 06 07:57:52 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjcOB-0003fW-1z for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:57:52 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA23930 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D674300F9 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FDA43007C for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2DC80C1C3 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CBB80C1B4 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id jB6CvGbf011972; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:57:16 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id jB6CvGQd000873; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:57:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id XAA00841 ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:57:16 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id jB6CvFd4026240; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:57:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpoa.po.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id jB6CvFTK000727; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:57:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.104]) by mail.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0IR20037LUN825F0@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:57:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EjcNM-0001aH-8q; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 04:56:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:56:56 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] Authenticator versus AAA client In-reply-to: To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 Message-id: <20051206125656.GA5854@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com, Mohan.Parthasarathy@nokia.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Hi Madjid, The following text in section 2.3 of eap-keying draft talks about not caching the keys at AAA layer, but mostly in terms of AAA servers. I think the text should be revised so that any AAA layer entity including AAA client and AAA proxy does not cache the keys. (Note: I explicitly mention that AAA proxy does not cache the keys as well. This might be related to the ongoing hokey discussion where KDC in the visiting domain is going to be introduced. Having said that, I think that the KDC, which is expected to cache the keys, should be defined outside the AAA layer.) " AAA Existing AAA servers supporting RADIUS/EAP [RFC3579] or Diameter EAP [RFC4207] do not support caching of EAP keying material or parameters. In existing AAA server implementations, exported EAP keying material (MSK, EMSK and IV) as well as parameters and derived keys are not cached and MUST be presumed lost after the AAA exchange completes. In order to avoid key reuse, the AAA layer MUST delete transported keys once they are sent. The AAA layer MUST NOT retain keys that it has previously sent to the authenticator. For example, a AAA layer that has transported the MSK MUST delete it, and keys MUST NOT be derived from the MSK from that point forward. " Taking a close look at EAP pass-through authenticator, the EAP authenticator *layer* and the EAP *layer* on the pass-through authenticator do not cache the keys as well, according to the the following text in section 2.2 of eap-keying draft: " The EAP peer and authenticator layers MUST NOT modify or cache keying material or parameters (including Channel Bindings) passing in either direction between the EAP method layer and the EAP layer. The EAP layer also MUST NOT cache keying material or parameters (including Channel Bindings) passed to it by the EAP peer/authenticator layer or the lower layer. " Yoshihiro Ohba On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 06:29:58PM -0500, Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 wrote: > Hi Yoshiro, > > Ok, thanks for the clarification. 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4CC0243004F for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1F980C1EE for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2803280C169 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EDC898BD; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:59:37 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43952C46.3090903@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:14:30 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Salowey, Joe" Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Use of term lower layer References: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A7EF1@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A7EF1@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.302 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_24_48 Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Salowey, Joe wrote: >The term lower layer is used inconsistently in the document. > >Lower layer should refer to the protocol between the EAP Peer and the >EAP Authenticator. It is between these entities that the security > > Yes. This also seems consistent with the RFC 3748 definition: [a] Lower layer. The lower layer is responsible for transmitting and receiving EAP frames between the peer and authenticator. ... >association protocol is typically run. The MSK is transported to the >lower layer. > >AAA is not an EAP lower layer except in the special case where the AAA >client and server are acting as the EAP Peer and EAP Authenticator for >some reason (an example of this could was in EUSM). Entities other than >the lower layer may obtain keys derived from the EMSK. > > I fear we may have some descriptions where EAP provides some information "to the lower layer", and we need to make sure that such text is changed so that it fits both the AAA and integrated cases, without breaking mode independence. >Requested change: > >Section 2.1 >----------- >change > >"Of these phases, Phase 0, 1b and Phase 2 are handled by a lower layer." > >To > >"Of these phases, Phase 0, 1b and Phase 2 are handled external to EAP. >Phases 0 and 2 are handled by the lower layer protocol and phase 1b is >typically handled by a AAA protocol." > > Ok. >Section 2.2 >------------ >(remove references to IV) >--- >Change > >"The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to the lower layer, nor is it permitted >to pass any quantity to the lower layer from which the EMSK could be >computed without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as >inverting a one-way function." > >To > >"The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to an entity outside the EAP server or >peer, >nor is it permitted to pass any quantity to an entity outside the EAP >server or peer >from which the EMSK could be >computed without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as >inverting a one-way function." > > Ok. >--- >Change > >"In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, > lower layers other than AAA MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP > methods. " > >To > >"In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, > lower layers MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP > methods. " > > Ok, I think... >--- >Change > >"EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer other > than AAA MUST NOT be transported to another entity." > >To > >"EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer MUST NOT >be transported to another entity." > > Seems to prohibit distributed authenticators, including 802.11r. I'd be OK with this if we didn't exclude transportation of keys derived from the provided keys. >--- >Change > >"The exception to the "no sharing" rule is the AAA layer. On EAP > server, keying material requested by and passed down to the AAA layer > may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the > authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying > material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication > conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be > maintained. " > >To > >"The AAA layer may transport keys that are exported from the EAP server. >On EAP > server, keying material requested by and passed down to the AAA layer > may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the > authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying > material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication > conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be > maintained." > > Ok. >----------- >Section 2.3 >----------- > >Change >"The caching behavior of existing EAP lower layers is as follows:" >To >"The caching behavior of existing EAP lower layers and AAA layers is as >follows:" > > Ok. Maybe s/AAA layers/AAA/ --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From awel@0451.com Wed Dec 07 04:38:56 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjvlI-00046s-Qt for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 04:38:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA08487 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejw6x-00009A-IC for eap-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 05:01:21 -0500 Received: from [220.190.1.252] (helo=[220.190.1.252]) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EjvlD-0003tO-MQ for eap-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 04:38:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 2005 9:38:52 -0480 From: "Danielle Montano" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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<7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69065488E6@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] Issue: Use of term lower layer Thread-Index: AcX7BQZh4PdnMQ9XSbytV2nN1K9B9wASTtcg From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Jari Arkko" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 >=20 > >--- > >Change > > > >"EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer other > > than AAA MUST NOT be transported to another entity." > > > >To > > > >"EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower=20 > layer MUST NOT=20 > >be transported to another entity." > > =20 > > > Seems to prohibit distributed authenticators, including=20 > 802.11r. I'd be OK with this if we didn't exclude=20 > transportation of keys derived from the provided keys. > [Joe] OK, but I think the original text would cause problems with .11r as well. In any case I'm OK with the lower layer doing what ever it wants with the keys once it has them. 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It is between these entities that the security > association protocol is typically run. The MSK is transported to the > lower layer. just a question: what do we mean here by the security association protocol ? the protocol used to secure the access (e.g. IKE or 4 way-handshake) or the EAP lower-layer ? I ask the question because in PANA, we have this distinction. From the AAA-Key, we derived the PANA_MAC_Key which is used to protect further PANA signaling between the EAP client (PaC) and the EAP Authenticator (PAA). We also derive a key from the AAA-Key which can be used as an IKE psk between the EAP peer (PaC) and the Enforcement Point located in the AR (cf. draft-ietf-pana-ipsec-xx.txt). Julien > > AAA is not an EAP lower layer except in the special case where the AAA > client and server are acting as the EAP Peer and EAP Authenticator for > some reason (an example of this could was in EUSM). Entities other than > the lower layer may obtain keys derived from the EMSK. > > Requested change: > > Section 2.1 > ----------- > change > > "Of these phases, Phase 0, 1b and Phase 2 are handled by a lower layer." > > To > > "Of these phases, Phase 0, 1b and Phase 2 are handled external to EAP. > Phases 0 and 2 are handled by the lower layer protocol and phase 1b is > typically handled by a AAA protocol." > > Section 2.2 > ------------ > (remove references to IV) > --- > Change > > "The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to the lower layer, nor is it permitted > to pass any quantity to the lower layer from which the EMSK could be > computed without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as > inverting a one-way function." > > To > > "The EMSK MUST NOT be provided to an entity outside the EAP server or > peer, > nor is it permitted to pass any quantity to an entity outside the EAP > server or peer > from which the EMSK could be > computed without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as > inverting a one-way function." > --- > Change > > "In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, > lower layers other than AAA MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP > methods. " > > To > > "In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, > lower layers MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP > methods. " > --- > Change > > "EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer other > than AAA MUST NOT be transported to another entity." > > To > > "EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer MUST NOT > be transported to another entity." > --- > Change > > "The exception to the "no sharing" rule is the AAA layer. On EAP > server, keying material requested by and passed down to the AAA layer > may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the > authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying > material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication > conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be > maintained. " > > To > > "The AAA layer may transport keys that are exported from the EAP server. > On EAP > server, keying material requested by and passed down to the AAA layer > may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the > authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying > material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication > conversation took place. 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From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Dec 09 05:55:43 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ekfud-0003Gv-Rz for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 05:55:43 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA16969 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243B0430094 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 02:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726C0430054 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 02:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590AB80C22D for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 02:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B3C80C156 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 02:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C57E8980C; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:54:59 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43996268.1080204@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 12:54:32 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: Bernard Aboba Subject: [eap] minutes from IETF-64 X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are the minutes from IETF-64. We had some trouble constructing these, given that one of the note takers had a disk crash, but David worked hard on his minutes and the mp3 recording of the session. Please send corrections, if any, ASAP to me or Bernard. --Jari Minutes of EAP WG Meeting 64th IETF Vancouver, BC 09:00-11:30 Nov 7, 2005 Salon 1 Chairs: Jari Arkko, Bernard Aboba Minutes Editor: David Mitton (some edits by Jari Arkko) Agenda Review Presentation directory: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/IETF64/eap/ WG Issues webpage: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues.html Document Status Review: RFCs RFC 3579 aka "EAP over RADIUS" published earlier [Individual] RFC 3748 aka "2284bis" has been published earlier RFC 4137 aka "EAP state machine" published recently In RFC Editor's Queue draft-haverinen-pppext-eap-sim-16.txt [individual] draft-arkko-pppext-eap-aka-15.txt [individual] draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-14 [individual] Drafts EAP keying framework - in WGLC draft-ietf-eap-keying-08.txt Network selection problem definition New editors, new energy! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Network Discovery and Selection Problem Jouni Korhonen, presenting draft-ietf-eap-netsel-problem-03.txt Old EAP WG document updated to reflect current situation in 3GPP, IEEE, and new references. Minor cleanups throughout. Proposal for Version 4 work: - Update based on discussion - Make Section 2 more network technology agnostic - Improve consistency between sections 2 and 4 - Updates for 802.11u Discussion - Scope of Draft? - Is the problem limited to EAP? - Limited to certain technologies? - Limited to boot strapping? Jari Arkko: There was useful discussion of the potential solution areas and I don't want to see that limited to purely EAP layer. Bernard Aboba: One of the hardest part is to knowing what the appropriate use of EAP is, and there are problems with the use of AAA that need to be discussed. Glen Zorn: What does this have to do with EAP specifically? Other than a handy place to discuss it. Arkko: This is a problem that comes up often in EAP situations, but the solutions do not have be EAP based. It could be moved to another WG. 802.11u Network Selection 802.11-05/0822r3 had requirements for selection. One proposal is to put NAI in Probe, AP probes AS, returns a result in Probe Response. Comment: There no formal proposals in 802.11u at this time, just presentations, so don't be quick to assume this is where the group will end up. More questions about the details of the nature of this probing. Bernard: Coming up a level, we got here because there is a limit on SSIDs and other things to select on. There isn't a way for the AP to know if a given realm is reachable. So we invented a sort of AAA ping message to explore the proxy route. But there is ongoing discussion in IEEE of other methods that might make this unnecessary. Comment: In the TGu there is no statement supporting this function. Steering of Roaming - can we do something more efficent that doesn't depend on intential failures - Is AAA sufficent? Glen Zorn: This is a AAA Routing issue or even Layer 2 selection and has nothing to do with EAP. We should not be addressing them in this group. Comment: We really need to persue these issues, and we need a place to discuss them. So we have permission of the ADs to discuss them here, but we would be willing to move to an appropriate WG as we progress. Bernard: We started this trying to understand and evaluate draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery, and this is an archive recording of the result of that discussion. Comment: If we were trying to go to another group, we couldn't fit in other groups which have narrower criteria. Comment: We should start a BOF to discuss. Glen Zorn: This group is not the right place. Use IETF mechanisms like a BOF to find a proper place. Pasi Eronen: If the goal is archive the discussion. Then lets finish the editorial task in this group. Mark Townsley: If there is no more work to be done, it could be done as an indivual submission. Could I get a sense of the room? Is there more work to be done on the problem here in the IETF? And how about the solution? If so, then you should get some people together, submit a proposal for forming a BOF and start that process. But it sounds like EAP is not the place for this. -------------------------------------------------- [0:43:35] EAP Key Management Framework - Bernard Aboba draft-ietf-eap-keying-08.txt WG Last Call to expire November 30th. Givens: Attacker can see, forge and replay all traffic, may be an insider. Goals: Mutual authentication, Freshness, Bindings. Server must not expose the keying material to anyone other than the authenticator. Reviewed characteristics of: IKEv2, 802.16e, 802.11i, PPP Pasi: How likely is it for a AAA server to be sharing keys? Bernard: The impact depends on the lower layer, but if the AAA server shares a key, it potentially allows authenticators to masarade as the server. Sam Hartman: What about roaming and a peers that don't know the AAA server. Bernard: That is a problem, and we have to look at the chain of trust, and after the authentication, whom has possession of the keys. Sam Hartman: we shouldn't be analyzing all the problems of other protocols. Bernard: We are just describing the security characteristics with respect to the goals. Majiid: Are we discussing how to fix these protocols, we shouldn't. Bernard: We want to know what the consequences are of removing or not using optional features. Pasi: We don't want to spend time analying combinations that people don't use. Bernard: We have issues with Mandatory to implement vs Mandatory to use. We should expect that people will not use some features, and should describe the consequences of not using those features. There is a legal mandate for government applications to secure their systems to FIPS compliance. Pasi: What about the mechanisms described in key wrapping documents? Bernard: There are issues that these solve and that's what the work is for. But not everyone wants to use them, and that changes the security value. Key Caching Comment: Why mention existing AAA servers instead of EAP servers? Bernard: Describing existing implementations, caching is not mentioned in current EAP documents, methods can have a cache, but the AAA lower layer does not. Parent/Child linkage: Sam: If we require deletion of keys, what about fast reconnect situations? Bernard: Excellent question, we'll talk about it in the next presentation. Jari: Confusion on list about storing other parameters than credentials. The AAA server doesn't know, only the EAP method really knows. Issues discussion: Glen: If there are problems with terminology because of errors in RFC 3748. Maybe we should try to fix RFC 3748, instead of creating new work. Bernard: Don't we have that many errors, we do have some confusing terms. Conclusion: Continue issue discussion on the list and submit reviews during WGLC. ------------------------------------------------------------ 1:48 EAP Key Management Extentions - Bernard Aboba draft-aboba-eap-keying-extns-00.txt AAA caching Bernard: We defined some interfaces, then we discover they aren't good enough. These come from LPC vs RPC semantics. When we defined that the EAP layer doesn't cache, we didn't understand all the consequences. Pasi: Redefine the standalone case to include another layer. Bernard: Define an internal layer that caches between the two. Comment: We could cache at a lower layer. Bernard: Yes, we could, but we are discovering scenarios where that is not good enough. Some methods are trying to generate key state for multiple authenticators and run into cryptographic independance and binding issues. We need to redraw some of the diagrams and figure out how to make these different situations work. Jari: Not trying to solve all possible ways. Only need to make sure that we understand some ways it could be done. Bernard: We want to understand the implications so we don't exclude something some people might want to do. Comment: Do we need understand neighbor graphs and distribution? Bernard: None of the keying is dependent on this. Just to show the implications and that this information is out there. ----------------------------------------------------------- [2:12] EAP Handover Support - Madjid Nakhjiri draft-nakhjiri-eap-ho-00.txt This draft is a discussion of how people are using the EAP framework, what they are trying to do, and given what they are doing, what requirements make sense or not. We should also try to decide how much of the work belongs here or can be done elsewhere. Wireless mobility goes beyond the original EAP model. Issues with key distribution between server, authenticators, mobile nodes. Sam: Why cannot the access node be an authenticator? Handover. But you are introducting another trusted party into the trust network, and you have to convince us doing security reviews, that simpler scenarios don't work. Majiid: I didn't design them, these are the IEEE keying models. Comment: Can we understand (not guess) why they want to do it this way? Comment: This is a matter of centralizing the authentication, and moving functions from the the 100s of base stations to a smaller number of NAS boxes. Cost reasons and centralized management and control. Pasi: This is not any different than the WiFi switch architecture, with dumb antenna and a central switch. In the WiMax case they seem to be documenting this protocol. Whereas, many cell networks have similar protocols but they are propretary so we haven't gotten to bash them. Jari: So they made the mistake of telling us. We need to move on. presentation continues... Majiid: I'm throwing out some suggestions and asking if this makes sense? Some it can be done in this group or some other. Jari: I think the discussion is very valuable. I see two tracks, one, seeing if the Key Framework has the right stuff, and then, continue with review of specific proposals and see if another WG is needed. Bernard: Does the keying framework preclude things? Well we've seen a bunch of problems today. So we'll go and fix those. And then see if we can do what we need to do. There are little assumptions that seem okay, but when put them alltogether they cause things to break. Some of them we've had in there for awhile and we didn't understand their full effect. ---------------------------- Wrap Up Network Selection Strawpoll Who cares? 11 yes Not: 0 Bernard: The history behind this draft is another individual submission (draft-adrangi), and the IESG asked whether it was compatibile with EAP? The EAP WG document attempted to analyze the problem space so that we could answer the IESG's question. Cares: Ambition level: 3=0, 2=0, 1=6 Some people want to move this out of EAP, but Jari points out that we can only vote for this group. 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From rhianono@dereksantos.com Sat Dec 10 09:23:44 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1El5dY-00034B-6O for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:23:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA29738 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 200-206-191-45.dsl.telesp.net.br ([200.206.191.45] helo=dereksantos.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1El5dt-0007us-4v for eap-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:24:09 -0500 From: "Rhianon Kirst" To: "Ruperta Ewalt" Message-ID: <000001c5fd95$3fb0c130$1a6aa8c0@economically> Subject: Re: Quadragesima lemonade Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:23:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5FD6B.56DD0320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 3.8 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 944ecb6e61f753561f559a497458fb4f This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5FD6B.56DD0320 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C5FD6B.56DD0320" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C5FD6B.56DD0320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Quit Overpaying for your Medications. =20 =20 request and transformed her into a beautiful damsel, so that the youth saw her and loved her, and took her home as his bride.=20 While the two were reclining in their chamber, Venus wishing to discover if the Cat in her change of shape had also altered her habits of life, let down a mouse in the middle of the room. 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request and transformed her into a = beautiful damsel, so that the
youth saw her and loved her, and took her home as his bride.
While the two were reclining in their chamber, Venus wishing to
discover if the Cat in her change of shape had also altered her
habits of life, let down a mouse in the middle of the room. The
Cat, quite forgetting her present condition, started up from the
couch and pursued the mouse, wishing to eat it. Venus was much
disappointed and again caused her to return to her former shape.
Nature exceeds nurture.
The She-Goats and Their Beards
THE SHE-GOATS having obtained a beard by request to Jupiter, the
He-Goats were sorely displeased and made complaint that the
females equaled them in dignity. Allow them, said Jupiter, = to
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5.1; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: fr-fr, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jari Arkko , Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com References: <200505031954.PAA27779@ietf.org> <4278B42B.5060804@piuha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at enst.fr X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.122 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: [eap] draft-arkko-eap-service-identity-auth-04 X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Jari & Pasi, Section 5.1 of draft-arkko-eap-service-identity-auth-04 said: "This works the same way when resuming session. Note that the parameters can change from the initial authentication." And section 2.3 of RFC 3546 said: "If the resumption request is denied, then a new set of extensions will be negotiated as normal. If, on the other hand, the older session is resumed, then the server MUST ignore extensions appearing in the client hello, and send a server hello containing no extensions; in this case the extension functionality negotiated during the original session initiation is applied to the resumed session." Extensions introduced in 3546 will not be able to convey different parameter objects, unless a full TLS session takes place. Or the extension introduced in the draft allows that, in which more clarifications may be added to its definition. BTW, why we don't use AVPs or TLVs to carry parameter objects instead of using a new TLS extension. 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From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 06:37:17 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Em8Sy-0002k2-1n for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:37:17 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA09830 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC614300E8 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE6B430077 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2B080C15F for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D61780C14B for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D672A8980C; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:36:15 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <439EB214.3050902@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:35:48 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eap@frascone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: Bernard Aboba , "Vanderveen, Michaela" Subject: [eap] expert reviewer sought for EAP-MAKE2 X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have a pending request to do an expert review on EAP-MAKE2 so that it could get an IANA type code. 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Thanks, --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 07:35:44 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Em9Ne-0000mv-3i for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:35:44 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA16592 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE93E4300EB for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F44430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC83D80C144 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4D380C15F for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13288980C; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:35:17 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <439EBFEA.2050807@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:34:50 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: badra References: <200505031954.PAA27779@ietf.org> <4278B42B.5060804@piuha.net> <439C3950.6020302@enst.fr> In-Reply-To: <439C3950.6020302@enst.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.122 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, eap@frascone.com Subject: [eap] Re: draft-arkko-eap-service-identity-auth-04 X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit badra wrote: > Dear Jari & Pasi, > > Section 5.1 of draft-arkko-eap-service-identity-auth-04 said: > > "This works the same way when resuming session. Note that the > parameters can change from the initial authentication." > > And section 2.3 of RFC 3546 said: > > "If the resumption request is denied, then a new set of extensions > will be negotiated as normal. If, on the other hand, the older > session is resumed, then the server MUST ignore extensions appearing > in the client hello, and send a server hello containing no > extensions; in this case the extension functionality negotiated > during the original session initiation is applied to the resumed > session." > > Extensions introduced in 3546 will not be able to convey different > parameter objects, unless a full TLS session takes place. Or the > extension introduced in the draft allows that, in which more > clarifications may be added to its definition. > > BTW, why we don't use AVPs or TLVs to carry parameter objects instead > of using a new TLS extension. Good questions. In general, the TLS support in the draft is somewhat suspect in any case, because getting it done would indeed require an extension in the standards track, if I recall the TLS IANA rules correctly. What AVPs or TLVs were you thinking of? I was not aware that there was any other place in TLS than the extensions to put additional new information, but is there? And EAP-TLS format is already fixed to be TLS record protocol messages, nothing else. --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 07:43:28 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Em9VA-0002X7-GZ for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:43:28 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA17302 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6874C4300B3 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:43:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10222430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5B080C144 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CAB80C15F for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:43:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229498980C; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:42:58 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <439EC1B7.1040008@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:42:31 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julien Bournelle Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Use of term lower layer References: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A7EF1@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> <20051207172415.GC20118@ipv6-3.int-evry.fr> In-Reply-To: <20051207172415.GC20118@ipv6-3.int-evry.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julien Bournelle wrote: >Hi all, > >On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 03:05:49PM -0800, Salowey, Joe wrote: > > >>Submitter name: Joe Salowey >>Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com >>Date first submitted: 12/1/2005 >>Reference: >>Document: Keying Framework >>Comment type: E >>Priority: '1' Should fix >>Section: 2 >>Rationale/Explanation of issue: >> >>The term lower layer is used inconsistently in the document. >> >>Lower layer should refer to the protocol between the EAP Peer and the >>EAP Authenticator. It is between these entities that the security >>association protocol is typically run. The MSK is transported to the >>lower layer. >> >> > > just a question: what do we mean here by the security association > protocol ? the protocol used to secure the access (e.g. IKE or 4 > way-handshake) or the EAP lower-layer ? > > > Figure 2 and Section 3.1 should define this... let us know otherwise. Its the client - NAS protocol to run after EAP has completed. > I ask the question because in PANA, we have this distinction. From the > AAA-Key, we derived the PANA_MAC_Key which is used to protect further > PANA signaling between the EAP client (PaC) and the EAP Authenticator > (PAA). We also derive a key from the AAA-Key which can be used as an > IKE psk between the EAP peer (PaC) and the Enforcement Point located in > the AR (cf. draft-ietf-pana-ipsec-xx.txt). > > > I think that's fine. --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 08:02:47 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Em9np-0007bJ-Pw for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:02:47 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19529 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E324300AD for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:02:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBD2430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:02:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB29D80C144 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:02:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.enst.fr (revol3.enst.fr [137.194.2.10]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5EA80C005 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:02:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09A55DD2; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:02:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2.enst.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (revol3.enst.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 61593-05; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:02:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from infres.enst.fr (infres.enst.fr [137.194.192.1]) by smtp2.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD595DC0; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:02:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from enst.fr (mechmech.enst.fr [137.194.164.56]) by infres.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55DB913D22; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:02:14 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <439EC652.1000004@enst.fr> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:02:10 +0100 From: Mohamad Badra User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: fr-fr, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jari Arkko References: <200505031954.PAA27779@ietf.org> <4278B42B.5060804@piuha.net> <439C3950.6020302@enst.fr> <439EBFEA.2050807@piuha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at enst.fr X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.122 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, eap@frascone.com Subject: [eap] Re: draft-arkko-eap-service-identity-auth-04 X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jari Arkko wrote: > badra wrote: > >> Extensions introduced in 3546 will not be able to convey different >> parameter objects, unless a full TLS session takes place. Or the >> extension introduced in the draft allows that, in which more >> clarifications may be added to its definition. >> >> BTW, why we don't use AVPs or TLVs to carry parameter objects instead >> of using a new TLS extension. > > Good questions. In general, the TLS support in the draft is somewhat > suspect in any case, because getting it done would indeed require > an extension in the standards track, if I recall the TLS IANA rules > correctly. > > What AVPs or TLVs were you thinking of? I was not aware that there > was any other place in TLS than the extensions to put additional > new information, but is there? And EAP-TLS format is already fixed > to be TLS record protocol messages, nothing else. I was thinking of Tunneled methods. Since we are going to have a new version of EAP-TLS, I think it could be possible to define a framwork allowing, among others, parameter object exchange; between TLS Finished and EAP-Success. 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Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:35:02 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA23896 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB5A430101 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF64430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:34:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68E580C005 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:34:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301F080C15C for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:34:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386608980C; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:34:37 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <439ECDD2.4010509@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:34:10 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mohamad Badra References: <200505031954.PAA27779@ietf.org> <4278B42B.5060804@piuha.net> <439C3950.6020302@enst.fr> <439EBFEA.2050807@piuha.net> <439EC652.1000004@enst.fr> In-Reply-To: <439EC652.1000004@enst.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.122 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, eap@frascone.com Subject: [eap] Re: draft-arkko-eap-service-identity-auth-04 X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I was thinking of Tunneled methods. Since we are going to have a new > version of EAP-TLS, I think it could be possible to define a framwork > allowing, among others, parameter object exchange; between TLS > Finished and EAP-Success. > Sure. We already had (and may still have - I don't remember) an extension for PEAP that did this. But for pure EAP-TLS its harder. Note that EMU BoF/WG has proposed work item that deals with EAP-TLS extensions to support all RFC 4017 features, including channel bindings. So it could be handled there. But it won't necessarily be EAP-TLS as we know it, likely a new type code is needed. --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 08:37:50 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmALm-00080x-JR for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:37:50 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA24174 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCB443010F for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D7F430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934A580C15C for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE9C80C123 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30788980C; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:37:28 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <439ECE7E.6030706@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:37:02 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Salowey, Joe" Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Use of term lower layer References: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69065488E6@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69065488E6@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, >"EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer other > than AAA MUST NOT be transported to another entity." > >To > >"EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower > > >>layer MUST NOT >> >> >>>be transported to another entity." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Seems to prohibit distributed authenticators, including >>802.11r. I'd be OK with this if we didn't exclude >>transportation of keys derived from the provided keys. >> >> >> >[Joe] OK, but I think the original text would cause problems with .11r >as well. In any case I'm OK with the lower layer doing what ever it >wants with the keys once it has them. I think what we want to avoid is >the same keys and parameters being sent to more than one lower >layer/application. > > Agreed. How about this: "In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, lower layers other than AAA MUST NOT export keys passed down by EAP methods. This implies that EAP keying material or parameters passed down to a lower layer are for the exclusive use of that lower layer and MUST NOT be used within another lower layer. This prevents compromise of one lower layer from compromising other applications using EAP keying parameters. EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer other than AAA MUST NOT be transported to another entity. For example, EAP keying material and parameters passed down to the EAP peer lower layer MUST NOT leave the peer; EAP keying material and parameters passed down or transported to the EAP authenticator lower layer MUST NOT leave the authenticator." to "In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP methods, EAP keying material or parameters passed down to a lower layer are for the exclusive use of that lower layer. This prevents compromise of one lower layer from compromising other applications using EAP keying parameters. EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer MUST NOT be transported to another entity. The same applies to other keying material derived from the EAP keying material, if the EAP keying material can be computed from the other material without breaking some cryptographic assumption, such as inverting a one-way function. For example, MSK passed down to the EAP peer lower layer or transported to the authenticator MUST NOT leave the peer. " --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 08:43:30 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmARF-0001uh-Uk for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:43:30 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA24609 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395B5430115 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41654430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:43:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBEB80C15C for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:43:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E16880C144 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:43:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABB68980C; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:43:06 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <439ECFCF.3030502@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:42:39 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 Subject: Re: [eap] Authenticator versus AAA client References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com, Mohan.Parthasarathy@nokia.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 wrote: > >Hi folks, > >We are struggling to understand the true definition of EAP pass-through >authenticator and how it differs from a AAA client. So here are some >functions that we have in mind, we are trying to understand what >function fits where: > > >AAA client functionality: >Run AAA protocol with AAA server. >Receive authorization info from AAA server > >EAP pass-through Authenticator >Understand EAP success/ failure, but not EAP request/ responses. > > >Things we need but not sure where to fit? Authenticator or AAA client? >Converting EAP/link layer to EAP/AAA? >Receiving master keys from AAA server? Yes, EAP keying defines this as >authenticator, but it would seem that this is AAA client, since keys are >sent over AAA protocol. > > This is what the EAP keying framework says: ... On EAP server, keying material requested by and passed down to the AAA layer may be replicated to the AAA layer on the authenticator. On the authenticator, the AAA layer may provide the replicated keying material to the lower layer over which the EAP authentication conversation took place. This enables "mode independence" to be maintained. As illustrated in Figure 4, a AAA client receiving transported EAP keying material and parameters passes them to the EAP authenticator and EAP layers, which then provide them to the authenticator lower layer using the same mechanisms that would be used if the EAP peer and authenticator were conducting a stand-alone conversation. The resulting key state in the lower layer is indistinguishable between the standalone and pass-through cases, as required by the principle of mode independence. In order to prevent the compromise of transported EAP keying material and parameters, the AAA client and EAP authenticator MUST be co-resident. Hope this helps -- let us know if you want some specific clarification to the text. --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 08:45:19 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmAT1-0002CA-Mw for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:45:19 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA24740 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EDB430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B601430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E97980C144 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7791D80C123 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:44:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD1A898BD; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:44:45 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <439ED032.4070403@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:44:18 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Salowey, Joe" Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Key Scope References: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A8227@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A8227@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok for me. --Jari Salowey, Joe wrote: >Submitter name: Joe Salowey >Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com >Date first submitted: 12/2/2005 >Reference: >Document: Keying Framework >Comment type: T >Priority: 1 >Section: 2.4 >Rationale/Explanation of issue: > >The key scope section is a little hard to understand. > >--- >There is a lot of discussion about authenticator architecture which >probably should be pulled into a separate section on authenticator >architecture. >--- >The key scope recommendations should specify which key it refers to. I >believe ti refers to the AAA-key. >--- >There could be some more generic text about key scoping that describes >the requirements in the lower layer such as: > >- Identify what parameters in the lower layer define the key scope >- In phase 0 communicate lower layer parameters that identify the key >scope between Peer and Authenticator >- If channel bindings are supported then include these parameters in the >channel bindings in phase 1a >- The peer can now use the key scope parameters to determine if it has >correct keys for phase 2 lower layer protocol interactions > > >Requested change: > >Move the description of authenticator architecture to its own section > >---- > >Include in the key scoping section introduction (2.4) something along >the lines of the following text: > >"Since authenticator architectures and deployment scenarios vary the >usable scope of the keys derived by the peer and server and sent to the >authenticator vary. By defining a key scope a lower layer can take >advantage of key caches in the system to optimize lower layer >interactions. In order to address key scoping the following needs to be >specified by the lower layer: > >- Identify what parameters in the lower layer define the key scope >- In phase 0 communicate lower layer parameters that identify the key >scope between Peer and Authenticator >- If channel bindings are supported then include these parameters in the >channel bindings in phase 1a >- The peer can now use the key scope parameters to determine if it has >correct keys for phase 2 lower layer protocol interactions" > >The following sections describe key scoping with respect to the AAA-Key >that is sent to the authenticator for lower layer protection. It is >possible that a lower layer may define other keys and key uses which >need to have scoping applied. > >--- > >Make it clear that remaining parts of sections 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 refer to >the AAA-Key. >_________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > > > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 09:06:21 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmAnN-000794-QE for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:06:21 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA27491 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F078430119 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9D2430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0BB80C15C for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1554680C15F for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:05:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029818980C; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:05:57 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <439ED52A.8050900@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:05:30 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Salowey, Joe" Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material References: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A7FF1@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A7FF1@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps we can deal with this entirely in 313 -- the original text proposal in Joe's first e-mail did not work too well for me. --Jari Salowey, Joe wrote: > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] >>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:59 PM >>To: Salowey, Joe; eap@frascone.com >>Subject: RE: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP >>keying material >> >>I think the issue here is similar to the one brought up in >>Issue 313. >> >> >[Joe] Yes, it is. > > > >>An EAP authenticator may be constructed in a >>variety of ways. Whether the authenticator has multiple >>ports or a single port, involves multiple CPUs or a single >>CPU, or even is constructed using lightweight APs and a WLAN >>switch is not relevant to EAP. >> >>For EAP purposes, an Authenticator is an entity that >>identifies itself with a single authenticator identity, both >>within the lower layer as well as in AAA. Neither the EAP >>peer nor the AAA server care about the details of how the >>authenticator is constructed, and neither should this document. >> >> >> > >[Joe] This makes sense. If we define an authenticator to span multiple >physical entities then I am OK with the current text. Perhaps we should >include this in the definition or point to sections of the document >where this is described. I'm thinking maybe we should pull the >description of the authenticator variations out of 2.4 into its own >section on EAP authenticator. > > > >>So when the document says that the "Authenticator and AAA >>cilent are co-resident" it means that both the Authenticator >>and AAA client share the same authenticator identity. This >>is required, because if it were not true then Channel >>Bindings would fail to verify. >> >> > >[Joe] I'm not sure that this is true. I'm not sure that the >authenticator identity is necessarily the only choice for identifier. >The lower layer must define what the identifier is, define attribtues in >AAA protocols need to carry the identifier and how to do comparisions of >the identifier. However this is a separate issue related to section >2.4. > > > >>That's probably all we can or >>should say on this subject. >> >> >> > > > > > >>>From: "Salowey, Joe" >>>To: >>>Subject: [eap] Issue: Requirement on transport of EAP keying material >>>Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:14:01 -0800 >>> >>>Submitter name: Joe Salowey >>>Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com Date first submitted: >>>12/1/2005 >>>Reference: >>>Document: Keying Framework >>>Comment type: 'T'echnical >>>Priority: '1' Should fix >>>Section: 2.2 >>>Rationale/Explanation of issue: >>> >>>The document states >>> >>>"In order to prevent the compromise of >>> transported EAP keying material and parameters, the AAA >>> >>> >>client and >> >> >>> EAP authenticator MUST be co-resident." >>> >>>It could be possible for the EAP authenticator to use another secure >>>protocol other than a AAA protocol to transport EAP key material. >>> >>>Requested change: >>> >>>"In order to prevent the compromise of >>> transported EAP keying material and parameters they MUST be >>>securely transmitted from the entity that hosts the EAP >>> >>> >>server to the >> >> >>>entity that hosts the EAP authenticator and makes use of the >>> >>> >>key material." >> >> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>>http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap >>> >>>Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap >>> >>> >_________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > > > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 09:10:07 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmAr1-0008Qb-OI for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:10:07 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA27997 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC61430097 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:09:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AAA430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277CC80C171 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189B880C150 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE578980C; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:09:46 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <439ED60F.10203@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:09:19 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Salowey, Joe" Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Comments on draft-ietf-eap-keying-08b.txt section 1 References: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A7E57@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A7E57@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Salowey, Joe wrote: >"The EAP server also stores the peer's identity and/or other information >necessary to decide whether access to some service should be granted. " > > >This sentence (appearing twice) makes it sound like the EAP server is >going to decide whether to access to a server should be granted. It >would be better to say something like > >"The EAP server also stores the peer's identity and/or other information >associated with the identity. This information may be provided with the >authenticated identity to the entity that determines whether access to >the service that required EAP authentication should be granted." > > Very good. This also solves the storage issues that we discussed in IETF-64. >-- >Since IV is being deprecated I think we should reference it a little as >possible, suggestion is to remove refernces to IV in this section. It >should be removed in figure 1. > > Yes. >-- >"EAP methods also MAY export method-specific peer and server > identifiers (peer-ID and server-ID), a method-specific EAP > conversation identifier known as the Method-ID, and the lifetime of > the exported keys, known the Key-Lifetime. EAP methods MAY also > support the import and export of Channel Bindings. New EAP method > specifications MUST define the Peer-ID, Server-ID and Method-ID. The > combination of the Peer-ID and Server-ID uniquely specifies the > endpoints of the EAP method exchange." > >It seems that additional data associated with the identity should be >exported to satisfy section 1.3. Suggestion is to add this and call >them identity attributes. > > Ok. >In this paragraph the it states that the "Peer-ID and Server-ID uniquely >specifies the > endpoints of the EAP method exchange", however further down it states >that these quantities may be null. This is contradictory. Suggested >modificaiton to above text: >"The combination of the Peer-ID and Server-ID may uniquely specify the >endpoints of the EAP method exchange if the method supports unique IDs." > > Ok. >-- >There are two styles of channel bindings that may be supported by EAP >methods. The text in this section describes exportable channel bindings. >There is also the approach where the bindings are non exportable. In >this case the method does a binary comparision of the channelbindings or >hash of the channel bindings and fails if the result does not match. I >can see the possibility of a method supporting both styles. Should we >include both? > > Not sure -- I don't have a requirement for that. Others? --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 09:15:56 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmAwe-00018B-A4 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:15:56 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA28888 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC5C4300DA for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E990430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:15:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078D680C15C for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:15:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51D880C005 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:15:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5728980C; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:15:14 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <439ED757.2050306@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:14:47 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Transient Session Key Derivation References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Works for me. Note that the fact that IKEv2 does not use EAP-provided lifetimes may in fact be just a mistake resulting from the lack of a VPN AAA spec. I'd rather not say here that the lifetime should not be used. Say something softer, e.g, implementations may not use the lifetime to limit the IPsec SA lifetimes... --Jari Bernard Aboba wrote: > Submitter name: Bernard Aboba > Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com > Date Submitted: 11/30/05 > Reference: > Document: Keying-08 > Comment type: T > Priority: S > Section: 2.3 > Rationale/Explanation of issue: > > There is no section of the document that talks directly about > generation of transient session keys. Here is a suggested > rewrite of Section 2.3: > > 2.3 Transient Session Keys > > Existing EAP lower layers handle the caching of EAP keying > material and the generation of transient session keys in > different ways: > > PPP PPP, defined in [RFC1661] does not support caching of EAP keying > material or parameters. PPP ciphersuites derive their TSKs > directly from the MSK, as described in [RFC2716]. This method > is NOT RECOMMENDED, since were PPP to support caching, this > could result in stale TSKs. As a result, once the PPP session > is terminated, EAP keying material and parameters MUST be discarded. > Since caching of EAP keying material is not permitted, within PPP > there is no way to handle TSK rekey without EAP re-authentication. > Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) is only possible within PPP if > the negotiated EAP method supports this. > > IKEv2 > IKEv2, defined in [IKEv2] only uses EAP keying material for > authentication purposes and not key derivation. As a > result, the keying material derived within IKEv2 is > independent of the EAP keying material and rekey of IPsec > SAs can be handled without requiring EAP re-authentiation. > Since generation of keying material is independent of EAP, > within IKEv2 it is possible to negotiate PFS, regardless of > the EAP method that is used. IKEv2 does not cache EAP keying > material or parameters, nor does it utilize the EAP Key-Lifetime > parameter to determine the lifetime of IPsec SAs. As result, > once IKEv2 authentication completes it is assumed that > EAP keying material and parameters are discarded. > > IEEE 802.11i > IEEE 802.11i enables caching of the MSK, but not the EMSK, IV, > Peer-ID, Server-ID, or Session-ID. More details are > about the structure of the cache are available in [IEEE-802.11i]. > In IEEE 802.11i, TSKs are derived from the MSK using the > 4-way handshake, which includes a nonce exchange. This > guarantees TSK freshness even if the MSK is reused. The > 4-way handshake also enables TSK rekey without EAP > re-authentication. PFS is only possible within IEEE 802.11i > if the negotiated EAP method supports this. > > IEEE 802.1X-2004 > IEEE 802.1X-2004, defined in [IEEE-802.1X-2004] does not support > caching of EAP keying material or parameters. Therefore once EAP > authentication completes, it is assumed that EAP keying material > and parameters are discarded. > > IEEE 802.16e > IEEE 802.16e, defined in [IEEE-802.16e] supports caching of the > MSK, but not the EMSK, IV, Peer-ID, Server-ID or Session-ID. > In IEEE 802.16e, TSKs are generated by the authenticator without > any contribution by the peer. The TSKs are encrypted, authenticated > and integrity protected using the MSK. As a result, TSK rekey > is possible without EAP re-authentication. PFS is not possible > even if the negotiated EAP method supports it. > > AAA Existing AAA servers supporting RADIUS/EAP [RFC3579] or Diameter > EAP [RFC4207] do not support caching of EAP keying material or > parameters. In existing AAA server implementations, exported EAP > keying material (MSK, EMSK and IV) as well as parameters and > derived keys are not cached and MUST be presumed lost after the AAA > exchange completes. > > In order to avoid key reuse, the AAA layer MUST delete transported > keys once they are sent. The AAA layer MUST NOT retain keys that > it has previously sent to the authenticator. For example, a AAA > layer that has transported the MSK MUST delete it, and keys MUST > NOT be derived from the MSK from that point forward. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 09:57:20 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmBai-0003y2-Ps for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:57:20 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA04535 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D774A4300F2 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:57:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27A1430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:56:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3AA80C173 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:56:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7ACD80C123 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF788980C; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:56:44 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <439EE111.8000307@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:56:17 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Otto Subject: Re: [eap] Comments on draft-ietf-eap-keying-08b.txt References: <200511302203.09535.t.otto@sharevolution.de> In-Reply-To: <200511302203.09535.t.otto@sharevolution.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Thomas, Thank you for the comments. I mostly agree with them, some notes inline: >Three brief comments to >http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/draft-ietf-eap-keying-08b.txt. > > >1) Some "independences" are capitalized, others not, e.g. >1.4.2 ... media independence >1.4.3 ... Media Independence ... > >2) It seems there is an inconsistency regarding what an EAP method exports. >Figure 1 shows that an EAP method exports MSK,EMSK,IV, Peer-ID,Server-ID, >Method-ID,Key-Lifetime. > >Section 2.2 now says >"In completion of EAP authentication, EAP methods on the peer and EAP >server export the Master Session Key (MSK), Extended Master Session >Key (EMSK), Initialization Vector (IV), Peer-ID, Server-ID, Session-ID and >Key-Lifetime." > >I think 2.2 must be "Method-ID". >3) Section 3.6. says, >"it is RECOMMENDED that EAP methods utilizing public key cryptography choose a >public key that has a cryptographic strength meeting the symmetric key >strength" > >I'm not sure why you say "recommended" here? What else could one do? > > Its just an explanatory note that the claimed strength should match the PK strength. I would not change anything here. >RFC 3748 says: >"EAP methods supporting key derivation SHOULD be capable of generating an >MSK and EMSK, each with an effective key strength of at least 128 bits." > >This implies that the effective key strength of public key cryptography must >be (rougly) equivalent to that of symmetric key cryptography. > >In this context, the following statement of RFC 4017 appears wrong (at least >for me). Neither says RFC 3748, that an EAP method MUST derive a MSK and >EMSK, nor that the effective key strength MUST be 128 bit. > >"Key strength. An EAP method suitable for use with IEEE 802.11 > MUST be capable of generating keying material with 128-bits of > effective key strength, as defined in [RFC3748], Section 7.2.1." > > RFC 4017 has a stronger requirement. I would have added "at least" to the text of 4017 but its probably understandable anyway... --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 10:00:06 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmBdO-0004fE-6N for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:00:06 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA05018 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603B44300E4 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37B0430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:59:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFC680C177 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:59:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F68880C178 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E9E8980C; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:59:17 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <439EE1AA.9000809@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:58:50 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Aboba Subject: Re: [eap] EAP Keying Framework - section 1.4.1 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right. Also, many protocols, including EAP, are vulnerable to denial-of-service where mitms forge some of the fields in the initial packets. The end result is that you don't get access. Unfortunately, there is usually little we can do about that. Well, the protocol could have been designed better to have more resistance against these types of attacks, but there'd still be other attacks with the same end-result. --jari Bernard Aboba wrote: > The Authenticator can make the decision based on the > EAP-Response/Identity. If the asserted identity corresponds to one > for which the Authenticator has local credentials, it can respond by > proposing one of the locally implemented EAP methods. If the EAP peer > NAKs the proposal and suggests a method that is not implemented on the > Authenticator, then the Authenticator can forward the > EAP-Response/Identity to the backend authentication server. > > There is some discussion of this in RFC 3748, Section 2.3: > > Unless the authenticator implements one or more authentication > methods locally which support the authenticator role, the EAP method > layer header fields (Type, Type-Data) are not examined as part of the > forwarding decision. Where the authenticator supports local > authentication methods, it MAY examine the Type field to determine > whether to act on the packet itself or forward it. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C60022.B6A82A00-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 10:44:31 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmCKN-0007Rg-6m for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:44:31 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11162 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFDE4300D2 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824E7430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:44:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F3480C15F for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:44:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.40]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66AF180C172 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:44:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id jBDFhtbf012515; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:43:55 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id jBDFhtLs018604; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:43:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id AAA18571 ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:43:55 +0900 Received: from mx2.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id jBDFhs4D029667; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:43:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpoa.po.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id jBDFhsR4008040; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:43:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.104]) by mail.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0IRG00K2D111K680@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:43:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EmCJA-0002GO-Fc; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:43:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:43:16 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Use of term lower layer In-reply-to: <439EC1B7.1040008@piuha.net> To: Jari Arkko Message-id: <20051213154316.GF7633@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline References: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A7EF1@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> <20051207172415.GC20118@ipv6-3.int-evry.fr> <439EC1B7.1040008@piuha.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com I think there is an issue. In the eap-keying draft, secure association protocol is to be run between the peer and authenticator, but in draft-ietf-pana-pana and draft-ietf-pana-framework, secure association protocol is to be run between PaC and EP, where EP in the PANA model does not have authenticator functionality. We could resolve this issue by revising the definition of secure association protocol such that it is run between peer port and authenticator port. This is not bad because the secure association protocol is for particular pair of ports. Yoshihiro Ohba On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 02:42:31PM +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: > Julien Bournelle wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 03:05:49PM -0800, Salowey, Joe wrote: > > > > > >>Submitter name: Joe Salowey > >>Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com > >>Date first submitted: 12/1/2005 > >>Reference: > >>Document: Keying Framework > >>Comment type: E > >>Priority: '1' Should fix > >>Section: 2 > >>Rationale/Explanation of issue: > >> > >>The term lower layer is used inconsistently in the document. > >> > >>Lower layer should refer to the protocol between the EAP Peer and the > >>EAP Authenticator. It is between these entities that the security > >>association protocol is typically run. The MSK is transported to the > >>lower layer. > >> > >> > > > >just a question: what do we mean here by the security association > >protocol ? the protocol used to secure the access (e.g. IKE or 4 > >way-handshake) or the EAP lower-layer ? > > > > > > > Figure 2 and Section 3.1 should define this... let us know > otherwise. Its the client - NAS protocol to run after EAP has > completed. > > >I ask the question because in PANA, we have this distinction. From the > >AAA-Key, we derived the PANA_MAC_Key which is used to protect further > >PANA signaling between the EAP client (PaC) and the EAP Authenticator > >(PAA). We also derive a key from the AAA-Key which can be used as an > >IKE psk between the EAP peer (PaC) and the Enforcement Point located in > >the AR (cf. draft-ietf-pana-ipsec-xx.txt). > > > > > > > I think that's fine. > > --Jari > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 11:20:20 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmCt2-0007lM-8G for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:20:20 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA16084 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4938A4300D7 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:20:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FED430064 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:20:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0906480C177 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:20:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E358480C171 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:19:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC798980C; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:19:54 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <439EF416.7000206@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:17:26 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Use of term lower layer References: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A7EF1@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> <20051207172415.GC20118@ipv6-3.int-evry.fr> <439EC1B7.1040008@piuha.net> <20051213154316.GF7633@steelhead> In-Reply-To: <20051213154316.GF7633@steelhead> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. But would issue 313 (distributed authenticators) also solve the problem? Yoshihiro Ohba wrote: >I think there is an issue. > >In the eap-keying draft, secure association protocol is to be run >between the peer and authenticator, but in draft-ietf-pana-pana and >draft-ietf-pana-framework, secure association protocol is to be run >between PaC and EP, where EP in the PANA model does not have >authenticator functionality. > >We could resolve this issue by revising the definition of secure >association protocol such that it is run between peer port and >authenticator port. This is not bad because the secure association >protocol is for particular pair of ports. > >Yoshihiro Ohba > > >On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 02:42:31PM +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: > > >>Julien Bournelle wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 03:05:49PM -0800, Salowey, Joe wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Submitter name: Joe Salowey >>>>Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com >>>>Date first submitted: 12/1/2005 >>>>Reference: >>>>Document: Keying Framework >>>>Comment type: E >>>>Priority: '1' Should fix >>>>Section: 2 >>>>Rationale/Explanation of issue: >>>> >>>>The term lower layer is used inconsistently in the document. >>>> >>>>Lower layer should refer to the protocol between the EAP Peer and the >>>>EAP Authenticator. It is between these entities that the security >>>>association protocol is typically run. The MSK is transported to the >>>>lower layer. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>just a question: what do we mean here by the security association >>>protocol ? the protocol used to secure the access (e.g. IKE or 4 >>>way-handshake) or the EAP lower-layer ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Figure 2 and Section 3.1 should define this... let us know >>otherwise. Its the client - NAS protocol to run after EAP has >>completed. >> >> >> >>>I ask the question because in PANA, we have this distinction. From the >>>AAA-Key, we derived the PANA_MAC_Key which is used to protect further >>>PANA signaling between the EAP client (PaC) and the EAP Authenticator >>>(PAA). We also derive a key from the AAA-Key which can be used as an >>>IKE psk between the EAP peer (PaC) and the Enforcement Point located in >>>the AR (cf. draft-ietf-pana-ipsec-xx.txt). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I think that's fine. >> >>--Jari >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap >> >>Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap >> >> >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From henry.rebsomen@laposte.net Tue Dec 13 11:41:22 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmDDN-0005BL-VR; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:41:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18198; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [85.136.123.144] (helo=144-123-136-85.user.auna.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmDEN-00078R-HX; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:42:25 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.7] ([85.136.123.144]) by yahoo.com (Sendmail 8.7.4) with ESMTP (SSL) id IYT90855 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:41:02 -0600 Message-ID: <444h288u.5024121@yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=calvin; d=yahoo.com; b=uyGX8AQYnZorVXCQ5q1ObQ8JWCwUC3HVjs783uHeadX9UgXjPNL67U98QQrHOyxglELx1ubbI9lbIvyO; X-Display: Full X-List: downturn.usenet Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:41:02 -0600 From: "Reuben Ho" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doyle.crouch@ietf.org, dp@ietf.org, drafts@ietf.org, drums-archive@ietf.org, dvsqhmanet@ietf.org, dxnvmrouting-discussion-admin@ietf.org, e3@ietf.org, eamoby@ietf.org, eap-archive@ietf.org, eb-archive@ietf.org, eccmtmagma-admin@ietf.org, ediint-archive@ietf.org, edu-discuss@ietf.org, edu-discuss-admin@ietf.org, edu-discuss-web-archive@ietf.org, edu-team@ietf.org Subject: Pre-approved Application #897457026 Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:41:02 -0600 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_58222679==.OLA" X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: ee80a2074afbfe28d15369f4e74e579d This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_58222679==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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6.1 (built Apr 28 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0IRG00KQ93TXK680@mail.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:44:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EmDFV-0002JW-Vv; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:43:33 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:43:33 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Use of term lower layer In-reply-to: <439EF416.7000206@piuha.net> To: Jari Arkko Message-id: <20051213164333.GI7633@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline References: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A7EF1@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> <20051207172415.GC20118@ipv6-3.int-evry.fr> <439EC1B7.1040008@piuha.net> <20051213154316.GF7633@steelhead> <439EF416.7000206@piuha.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com I have read Issue 313, but I think it does not solve the SAP issue for PANA because PANA EP is not authenticator or even part of authenticator. BTW, draft-nakhjiri-aaa-hokey-ps-00.txt is introducing another secure association protocol named Link Secure Association Protocol (LSAP) that is run between Mobile Node and Access Node. To me "LSAP" and "SAP" are the same protocol and "Access Node" and "authenticator port" are the same entity. I really think we need to avoid introducing multiple terms pointing to similar things. Yoshihiro Ohba On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 06:17:26PM +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: > Yes. But would issue 313 (distributed authenticators) > also solve the problem? > > Yoshihiro Ohba wrote: > > >I think there is an issue. > > > >In the eap-keying draft, secure association protocol is to be run > >between the peer and authenticator, but in draft-ietf-pana-pana and > >draft-ietf-pana-framework, secure association protocol is to be run > >between PaC and EP, where EP in the PANA model does not have > >authenticator functionality. > > > >We could resolve this issue by revising the definition of secure > >association protocol such that it is run between peer port and > >authenticator port. This is not bad because the secure association > >protocol is for particular pair of ports. > > > >Yoshihiro Ohba > > > > > >On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 02:42:31PM +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: > > > > > >>Julien Bournelle wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hi all, > >>> > >>>On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 03:05:49PM -0800, Salowey, Joe wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Submitter name: Joe Salowey > >>>>Submitter email address: jsalowey@cisco.com > >>>>Date first submitted: 12/1/2005 > >>>>Reference: > >>>>Document: Keying Framework > >>>>Comment type: E > >>>>Priority: '1' Should fix > >>>>Section: 2 > >>>>Rationale/Explanation of issue: > >>>> > >>>>The term lower layer is used inconsistently in the document. > >>>> > >>>>Lower layer should refer to the protocol between the EAP Peer and the > >>>>EAP Authenticator. It is between these entities that the security > >>>>association protocol is typically run. The MSK is transported to the > >>>>lower layer. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>just a question: what do we mean here by the security association > >>>protocol ? the protocol used to secure the access (e.g. IKE or 4 > >>>way-handshake) or the EAP lower-layer ? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Figure 2 and Section 3.1 should define this... let us know > >>otherwise. Its the client - NAS protocol to run after EAP has > >>completed. > >> > >> > >> > >>>I ask the question because in PANA, we have this distinction. From the > >>>AAA-Key, we derived the PANA_MAC_Key which is used to protect further > >>>PANA signaling between the EAP client (PaC) and the EAP Authenticator > >>>(PAA). We also derive a key from the AAA-Key which can be used as an > >>>IKE psk between the EAP peer (PaC) and the Enforcement Point located in > >>>the AR (cf. draft-ietf-pana-ipsec-xx.txt). > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>I think that's fine. > >> > >>--Jari > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > >>http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > >> > >>Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 11:55:22 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmDQw-00080x-Qx for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:55:22 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA19626 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:54:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46984300BE for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB74430075 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA9A80C14B for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFC280C171 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:54:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013DB8980C; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:54:54 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <439EFCC4.3030804@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:54:28 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Use of term lower layer References: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69064A7EF1@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> <20051207172415.GC20118@ipv6-3.int-evry.fr> <439EC1B7.1040008@piuha.net> <20051213154316.GF7633@steelhead> <439EF416.7000206@piuha.net> <20051213164333.GI7633@steelhead> In-Reply-To: <20051213164333.GI7633@steelhead> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yoshihiro Ohba wrote: >I have read Issue 313, but I think it does not solve the SAP issue for >PANA because PANA EP is not authenticator or even part of >authenticator. > > It could be, if you define authenticator = PAA + EP, or? --Jari _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From Umgusu@optonline.com Tue Dec 13 12:16:43 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmDlb-0003Ux-Qb; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:16:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22835; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmDmH-00006k-Pw; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:17:39 -0500 Received: from [62.183.121.249] (helo=lh) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EmDlD-0000WB-Gi; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:16:20 -0500 From: "Bertha Castillo" To: dccp-admin@ietf.org Subject: Fw: ... 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From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Dec 14 02:03:13 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmQfP-00050v-2m for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:03:13 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA07921 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9D24300B3 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:03:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7747E43006B for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6187480C198 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f29.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.39]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F30180C19A for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:02:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:02:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.182.139.247] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <439ED757.2050306@piuha.net> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: jari.arkko@piuha.net Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Transient Session Key Derivation Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:02:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2005 07:02:40.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F7585C0:01C6007C] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com I think this points out a potential issue with the Key_Lifetime parameter exported by the EAP method. If this were to be encapsulated in the Session-Timeout attribute, then it would not be possible to separate AAA session times from EAP exported parameter lifetimes. This is potentially problematic with IKEv2, since IKEv2 VPN might still want a Session-Timeout attribute to limit the VPN session time, but would not care about an EAP exported parameter lifetime since it doesn't cache exported EAP parameters or use them to derive IPsec SAs. Maybe we should delete mention of the Key_Lifetime parameter entirely. >From: Jari Arkko >To: Bernard Aboba >CC: eap@frascone.com >Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Transient Session Key Derivation >Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:14:47 +0200 > >Works for me. > >Note that the fact that IKEv2 does not use EAP-provided >lifetimes may in fact be just a mistake resulting from the >lack of a VPN AAA spec. I'd rather not say here that the >lifetime should not be used. 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As a result, once the PPP session >>is terminated, EAP keying material and parameters MUST be discarded. >>Since caching of EAP keying material is not permitted, within PPP >>there is no way to handle TSK rekey without EAP re-authentication. >>Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) is only possible within PPP if >>the negotiated EAP method supports this. >> >>IKEv2 >>IKEv2, defined in [IKEv2] only uses EAP keying material for >>authentication purposes and not key derivation. As a >>result, the keying material derived within IKEv2 is >>independent of the EAP keying material and rekey of IPsec >>SAs can be handled without requiring EAP re-authentiation. >>Since generation of keying material is independent of EAP, >>within IKEv2 it is possible to negotiate PFS, regardless of >>the EAP method that is used. IKEv2 does not cache EAP keying >>material or parameters, nor does it utilize the EAP Key-Lifetime >>parameter to determine the lifetime of IPsec SAs. As result, >>once IKEv2 authentication completes it is assumed that >>EAP keying material and parameters are discarded. >> >>IEEE 802.11i >>IEEE 802.11i enables caching of the MSK, but not the EMSK, IV, >>Peer-ID, Server-ID, or Session-ID. More details are >>about the structure of the cache are available in [IEEE-802.11i]. >>In IEEE 802.11i, TSKs are derived from the MSK using the >>4-way handshake, which includes a nonce exchange. This >>guarantees TSK freshness even if the MSK is reused. The >>4-way handshake also enables TSK rekey without EAP >>re-authentication. PFS is only possible within IEEE 802.11i >>if the negotiated EAP method supports this. >> >>IEEE 802.1X-2004 >>IEEE 802.1X-2004, defined in [IEEE-802.1X-2004] does not support >>caching of EAP keying material or parameters. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C600F5.DCEACA00-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Dec 14 14:59:41 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Emcmp-0006F3-Ll for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:59:41 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17319 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582334300C1 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B40430075 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043A480C1A4 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894D180C1A0 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:58:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2005 11:58:21 -0800 Received: from E2K-SEA-XCH2.sea-alpha.cisco.com (e2k-sea-xch2.cisco.com [10.93.132.68]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBEJwIQK027331; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:58:19 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Issue: Use of term lower layer Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:04:19 -0800 Message-ID: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69065DA178@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [eap] Issue: Use of term lower layer Thread-Index: AcX/6z6CQEio8XhmTnGr6+oBr5byawA/DXHQ From: "Salowey, Joe" To: "Jari Arkko" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 >=20 > "In order to preserve the security of keys derived within EAP=20 > methods, EAP keying material or parameters passed down to a=20 > lower layer are for the exclusive use of that lower layer.=20 > This prevents compromise of one lower layer from compromising=20 > other applications using EAP keying parameters. >=20 > EAP keying material and parameters provided to a lower layer=20 > MUST NOT be transported to another entity. The same applies=20 > to other keying material derived from the EAP keying=20 > material, if the EAP keying material can be computed from the=20 > other material without breaking some cryptographic=20 > assumption, such as inverting a one-way function. For=20 > example, MSK passed down to the EAP peer lower layer or=20 > transported to the authenticator MUST NOT leave the peer. " >=20 [Joe] OK, but do we need to restrict parameters? It seems that there are some parameters that may be used in a security association negotiation between peer and authentication. > --Jari >=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Dec 14 15:30:34 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmdGk-0006l0-K3 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:30:34 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20482 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4537A4300D7 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492A8430075 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE9A80C1B7 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1CF80C1AC for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0110898BA; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:30:08 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43A080B6.4000901@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:29:42 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Salowey, Joe" Subject: Re: [eap] Issue: Use of term lower layer References: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69065DA178@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <7210B31550AC934A8637D6619739CE69065DA178@e2k-sea-xch2.sea-alpha.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >[Joe] OK, but do we need to restrict parameters? It seems that there >are some parameters that may be used in a security association >negotiation between peer and authentication. > > Perhaps. I can agree that we should have the same restrictions for parameters (as did the original text). I just get a bit worried that we don't define the parameters. 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tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: eap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I have read Issue 313, but I think it does not solve the SAP issue for > >PANA because PANA EP is not authenticator or even part of > >authenticator. > > > > > It could be, if you define authenticator = PAA + EP, or? I have always perceived the "authenticator" as the node that hosts the "EAP authenticator". We could say NAS = PAA + EAP + RADIUS_client + EP; where we can see "EP" as a "NAS port". Does this make sense? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Review of the IEEE 802.11u Requirements Document Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:39:53 -0000 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Review of the IEEE 802.11u Requirements Document Thread-Index: AcXwS/10vtnX6BVrQCCXBd/bR1k++AVADIbg From: "McCann, Stephen" To: "Bernard Aboba" , X-MailScanner-rsys001x: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: stephen.mccann@roke.co.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: Dorothy Stanley , STDS-802-11-TGU@listserv.ieee.org X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bernard, Thank you for your comments. As suggested by earlier comments, I think some unofficial responses from members of=20 IEEE 802.11u are useful at this point, to stimulate further discussion, prior to the next IEEE 802.11 meeting in January. Kind regards Stephen =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Review of IEEE 802.11u Requirements >=20 > In situations where multiple realms may be accessible via a=20 > single "virtual AP", the AP may not be able to satisfy many=20 > of the requirements described in this document. > This is not merely due to=20 > deficiencies in today's technology, but rather is a=20 > consequence of an architecture in which APs serve as "edge=20 > devices" without full knowledge of the realm routing table,=20 > much as access routers typically do not contain a full=20 > routing table obtained by core routers running BGP. >=20 > Since APs do not have knowledge of the realm routing table,=20 > they cannot respond to STA queries about which realms are=20 > accessible, nor can they provide information relating to=20 > those realms, such as the services or enrollment facilities=20 > available within them. >=20 [Mike Moreton] When a problem is best solved by a multi-layer=20 solution there's always going to be a chicken and egg type=20 problem. I don't believe 802.11u is trying to solve the complete=20 problem - just to "do our bit". =20 I think everyone in 802.11u is hoping that "someone else" will do=20 the bits required at other layers - it's clearly not=20 desirable for the AP to have the information to answer such a=20 query (other than perhaps by caching). But we can't start=20 liaising with other organisations until we have accepted a=20 proposal, and hence know what is needed. In case anyone=20 reading this thinks that 802.11u will be useless without such a=20 higher layer I guess I should say the following. I would=20 expect most proposed solutions to our requirements could work=20 in limited scenarios by hard configuration of the APs, or by=20 proprietary protocols. So 802.11u is still useful in that case -=20 but to gain its full utility we need someone else to develop=20 open backend protocols. >=20 > Much as an Internet host determines whether another host is=20 > reachable by sending an IP packet to it, a network peer=20 > determines whether it can authenticate to a realm by=20 > attempting to communicate with it. If a peer attempts to=20 > authenticate to an unreachable realm, the problem may not be=20 > diagnosed until the request has traversed a core proxy with=20 > full knowledge of the realm routing table, much as a "ping"=20 > may not generate an ICMP network unreachable message until=20 > the request has reached a core router. >=20 > As a result, it appears that much of the functionality=20 > required by IEEE 802.11u cannot be provided in situations=20 > where a single SSID is used to access an indetermine number=20 > of NAI realms. In such situations, >=20 > the AP cannot easily obtain the required information relating=20 > to the availability and capabilities of reachable realms. >=20 > The problem would be more tractable were IEEE 802.11u to=20 > focus on development of a more scalable "Virtual AP" model=20 > for IEEE 802.11. In such a model, a determinate number of=20 > NAI realms (perhaps only one) would correspond to an SSID,=20 > enabling the AP to be preconfigured with the capabilities=20 > associated with each configured SSID. This would enable the=20 > communication of available "Virtual APs" and capabilities to=20 > the STA without relying on facilities which are difficult for=20 > EAP or the AAA infrastructure to provide. > =20 [Mike Moreton] One of the things there seems general agreement within=20 802.11u over is that we have to avoid the multiple SSID situation=20 - it just isn't scalable enough.=20 I'm also not sure how having multiple SSIDs, each of which=20 mapped to a single NAI would actually be any easier than just=20 having multiple NAIs. [Stephen McCann] Looking ahead to carrier grade 802.11 access networks, I don't see how the mapping of SSIDs and NAIs can be managed, especially if 'virtual realms' are introduced. >=20 > R8E1 - Required >=20 > "Define functionality by which the STA is able to determine=20 > what online enrolment (also called online subscription)=20 > methods are supported by the network" >=20 > In large scale roaming deployments, an AP will typically not=20 > have knowledge of all the potential roaming realms which=20 > customers may be able to authenticate to. For example, an AP=20 > typically is not configured with a realm routing table, but=20 > just a "default route" to the local AAA proxy or server. The=20 > local AAA proxy in turn may also be configured with a "default route". >=20 > As a result, the AP may not know what realms are available,=20 > nor may it have information on the services (such as=20 > enrollment) provided by those realms. The AP may not be able=20 > to inform the STA whether online enrollment is supported by a=20 > realm, or even if a realm is reachable by the STA. >=20 > Note that this problem cannot be solved by introduction of a=20 > "realm routing" protocol, since it would be unlikely that=20 > such a protocol would >=20 > be supported by an AP, or even a local AAA proxy. Due to the=20 > memory and >=20 > CPU requirements, it would be likely to only be supported > on "core proxies", much as BGP is only run on core routers. >=20 > As a result, an AP can only be presumed to have knowledge of=20 > a realm if that realm is configured into the AP, potentially=20 > as a "Virtual AP". [Mike Moreton] I think the core assumption within=20 802.11u is that the user device knows the identity (NAI etc) of=20 the network it wants to connect to. When considering=20 enrolment, it's easy enough for the device to discover the=20 identity of the local network, so enrolment with the local=20 network should not be a problem. As you say, enrolment with=20 remote networks would be challenging, but I'm not sure anyone=20 was imagining that case when the requirement was written. >=20 > Where a single physical or virtual AP is configured to enable=20 > access to multiple realms, the only way a STA can determine=20 > whether the realm supports an enrolment method is via an EAP=20 > exchange with that realm. >=20 > While a partial solution is provided within "Identity=20 > selection hints for EAP"=20 > http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-adrangi-eap-network-d > iscovery-1 > 4.txt > this solution requires the STA to associate with an AP prior=20 > to discovering the supported realms. >=20 > As a result, where an indetermine number of realms are=20 > reachable via a single "Virtual AP", the requirement=20 > specified in R8E1 may not be satisfiable by an exchange=20 > occurring solely within IEEE 802.11. >=20 > R8E2 - Optional >=20 > "Define functionality for online enrolment" >=20 > During the recent EMU BOF, there was discussion of enrolment=20 > support within EAP. Rohan Mahy has submitted a draft on this=20 > subject:=20 > http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-mahy-eap-enrolment-00.txt >=20 > This would support the document's assertion that "a solution=20 > may be outside the scope of this task group". >=20 > However the current EMU WG Charter does not include a work=20 > item on enrolment. [Stephen McCann] Rohan previously has presented some interesting material=20 in 802.11u and I suggest that 802.11u reviews this draft, to identify=20 any useful ideas. >=20 > R8E4 - Optional >=20 > "Functionality shall be provided by which APs can advertise (before > connection) the charges that will be made for use of the=20 > network if a user enrols with it." >=20 > The charges associated with access to a realm may vary not=20 > only with the >=20 > realm but also with the path by which the realm is accessed=20 > -- the "decorated NAI". Since charges may also vary by time=20 > of day or day of the week, the information required to fully=20 > inform the STA may be quite complex. >=20 > For the reasons described in R8E1, an AP may not know the=20 > realms accessible from within a given "Virtual AP", or the=20 > charges associated with access to that realm via any path, at=20 > any time. >=20 > Since neither EAP nor AAA provides a mechanism for=20 > communication of charges, it is not clear how this=20 > requirement can be satisfied other than by manual=20 > configuration of an AP. >=20 > We concur with the document characterization of this=20 > requirement as "optional". >=20 > R8N1 - Required >=20 > "Define functionality by which a STA can determine whether=20 > its subscription to an SSPN would allow it to access a=20 > particular 802.11AN before actually joining a BSS within that=20 > 802.11 AN. Proposals must describe their consideration of=20 > scalability." >=20 > As described in the analysis of R8E1, where a single=20 > physical/virtual AP >=20 > provides access to an indetermine number of realms an AP may=20 > not know what realms are accessible from a given "virtual=20 > AP". As a result, the AP may not have the information=20 > available to satisfy this requirement. [Mike Moreton] My assumption is that this information would either=20 be hard configured into the AP (not desirable) or that the=20 query would be passed on to some other device using some=20 protocol designed by another standards organisation (much more=20 desirable). =20 >=20 > R8N2 - Required >=20 > "The mechanism described in requirement R8N1 must allow a STA=20 > that has multiple credentials with an SSPN to select the=20 > correct credentials when authenticating with a Local Network." >=20 > For a STA to select the correct credentials, it needs to be=20 > aware of the >=20 > realms available to it, as well as the EAP method to be used=20 > with the desired realm. Once a STA has enrolled in a realm,=20 > it presumably is configured with the EAP method to be used=20 > for that realm, so that the problem comes down to determining=20 > which realms are available. >=20 > Therefore the issues inherent in realm discovery (see R8E1)=20 > are applicable to this requirement as well. [Mike Moreton] I've never quiet understood this requirement, but my=20 assumption is that the response to a "Do you provide connection=20 to this NAI?" question would also include an optional field=20 that could be used to indicate the realm within the network=20 indicated by that NAI. How that information gets to the AP=20 is again out of our scope. > R8N3 - Required >=20 > "Define functionality to support authentication with multiple=20 > SSPNs through a single AP." >=20 > That document indicates that "Its not acceptable to require a=20 > separate "virtual" AP for each SSPN", but does not provide=20 > more detail on how this statement was arrived at. Certainly,=20 > existing "Virtual AP" mechanisms do not scale much beyond a=20 > dozen "Virtual APs" per physical AP. However, recent=20 > submissions within IEEE 802.11 appear to be aimed at removing=20 > those limitations, by enabling multiple "Virtual APs" to be=20 > supported within a >=20 > single Beacon/Probe Response, as well as by enabling support=20 > of "hidden virtual APs" that are not advertised. >=20 > It would therefore appear that in the long term it may be=20 > possible to remove many of the "virtual AP" scaling limitations. >=20 > It is suggested that IEEE 802.11u re-examine whether R8N3 is=20 > really required. [Mike Moreton] I think the consensus within 802.11u has=20 always been that we're willing to consider any proposal that=20 solves the problem, even if that proposal is "Don't do=20 anything - it's already solved elsewhere". The notes are=20 meant to be explanatory of the requirement and are not=20 limiting. But some of the 802.11u contributors are keen to=20 support architectures where 100s of different home networks=20 can be accessed - this is way beyond what can be achieved by=20 putting multiple SSIDs in the same beacon (and would in any=20 case have the sort of configuration issues you describe earlier). [Stephen McCann] Again Mike is referring to 'carrier grade' installations, which some members of 802.11u are very concerned about. >=20 >=20 > R8N5, R8N6 - Optional >=20 > The issues described with respect to R8E4 apply here as well.=20 > We concur with the characterization of this requirement as "optional". >=20 > R8N7 - Not Required >=20 > "It should be possible to inform a STA about unbroadcasted=20 > SSIDs without >=20 > causing the STA to probe for each preferred SSID." >=20 > Unbroadcasted or "hidden" SSIDs are one mechanism by which=20 > the scalability of 802.11 advertisement mechanisms may be=20 > improved. In a large scale roaming deployment, presumably=20 > many of the SSIDs would be "hidden", since even support for=20 > multiple "virtual AP" advertisements per Beacon might not be=20 > sufficient. >=20 > Since a "hidden" SSID is by definition not advertised, a=20 > Probe Request/Response exchange is typically necessary to=20 > determine whether it >=20 > is supported. If a STA has multiple SSIDs in its preference=20 > list which could conceivably be "hidden" then it is not clear=20 > how it can determine whether they are present without probing=20 > for them. >=20 > We concur with the document characterization of this=20 > requirement as "not required". [Stephen McCann] For readers not familiar with 802.11u, Bernard correctly states that this requirement is now out of scope of 802.11u. However, for historical reasons we have kept it in our requirements=20 document. >=20 > R8P2 - Required >=20 > "Define functionality to prevent hijack of MAC addresses." >=20 > RFC 4017 requires EAP methods supporting "mutual=20 > authentication" and "key derivation" so that a STA supporting=20 > IEEE 802.11i can determine whether an AP to which it has=20 > associated has been authorized by the AAA server. >=20 > RFC 4017 also includes "Channel Binding" as an optional=20 > security claim. Among other things, support for channel=20 > bindings enables a STA to check with the AAA server whether=20 > an AP is impersonating another AP to the STA. >=20 > More recently, IEEE 802.1ar "Secure Identity" has been=20 > chartered in order to enable verification of ownership of MAC=20 > addresses. >=20 > Therefore there appears to be work in progress relevant to=20 > this requirement. [Mike Moreton] Good! If we can reference other=20 people's work then I'm all in favour of it. We need to keep=20 it as a requirement even if that will end up being the case. =20 Note that there are also traffic segmentation solutions to=20 this problem that may be equally beyond our scope. >=20 > R8A1 - Required >=20 > "A STA shall be able to authenticate with different SSPNs=20 > simultaneously, in order to gain simultaneous access to=20 > multiple Destination Networks." >=20 > Simultaneous access to multiple wireless networks has been=20 > demonstrated using existing standards:=20 > http://research.microsoft.com/~bahl/MS_Projects/MultiNet/default.htm >=20 > As a result, new functionality may not be required to satisfy=20 > this requirement, if a scalable "Virtual AP" model is=20 > available. [Mike Moreton] And if we come up with a proper solution to=20 the MAC address anonymity problem it may be impossible to=20 prevent the STAs doing this. Note that some operators have a=20 big issue with this requirement. >=20 >=20 > R8I1 - Required >=20 > "Define IEEE 802.11TM functionality which would be required=20 > to support an Emergency Call (e.g. E911) service as part of=20 > an overall, multi-layer solution. Specifically: Capability=20 > Advertisement Authentication issues" >=20 > Multiple IEEE 802 groups have already become involved in the=20 > specification of Emergency Service capability -- IEEE=20 > 802.11k, 802.11v, 802.1AB (via TIA LLDP MED), raising=20 > questions about the overall coherence of the >=20 > effort, let alone compatibility with the work of IETF WGs=20 > such as ECRIT and GEOPRIV. >=20 > IEEE 802.11u may therefore wish to consider whether addition=20 > of another group will help or hinder the effort to develop a=20 > coherent Emergency Services architecture. [Mike Moreton] 802.11 WG is=20 co-ordinating the work of the various 802.11 task groups=20 interested in the Emergency Call Service. A final decision=20 has not yet been taken whether to place the bulk of this work=20 within 802.11u or 802.11v but I can assure you that the=20 intention is definitely not to have competing solutions. The=20 802.11k contribution is likely to be limited to provision of=20 location information, and hence will be part of the overall=20 solution rather than an alternative solution. [Stephen McCann] Specifically 802.11u feels that it should address the network advertisement of emergency call capability and=20 subsequent admission control issues, as these are essentially interworking issues. 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From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 20 20:18:55 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eosd5-0002X6-1V for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:18:55 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA00379 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1FC4300A9 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:18:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6236C4300A9 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA4580C111 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f16.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.26]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AE980C0F7 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:18:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:18:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.87] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: stephen.mccann@roke.co.uk, eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] Review of the IEEE 802.11u Requirements Document Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:18:31 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2005 01:18:31.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[74CC2140:01C605CC] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER X-Spam-Level: * Cc: radiusext@ops.ietf.org X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com During the review of 'EAP Network Selection' questions arose about the backend implications on protocols such as RADIUS, as well as the EAP side of things. Since 'EAP Network Selection' was considered a short term solution, it was not considered to extend it to handle additional parameters such as 'cost'. Yet the requirements document seems to make an architectural assumption that solutions such as 'EAP Network Selection' are available, and can be used to allow the AP to discovery properties of downstream realms. This is of concern since it would be basing the long term solution on what was originally considered to be a short-term fix. Rather than making architectural assumptions that may or may not be required, it may make moe sense to focus on the requirements that are truly fundamental such as scalability. For example, if a proposal could meet the scalability requirements, allowing a STA to connect to hundreds or even thousands of SSIDs, then it might be possible for each NAI realm to have its own SSID. This considerably simplifies the architecture, and gets around some very thorny problems that are created by 'EAP Network Selection'. >[Mike Moreton] When a problem is best solved by a multi-layer >solution there's always going to be a chicken and egg type >problem. I don't believe 802.11u is trying to solve the complete >problem - just to "do our bit". > >I think everyone in 802.11u is hoping that "someone else" will do >the bits required at other layers - it's clearly not >desirable for the AP to have the information to answer such a >query (other than perhaps by caching). But we can't start >liaising with other organisations until we have accepted a >proposal, and hence know what is needed. In case anyone >reading this thinks that 802.11u will be useless without such a >higher layer I guess I should say the following. I would >expect most proposed solutions to our requirements could work >in limited scenarios by hard configuration of the APs, or by >proprietary protocols. So 802.11u is still useful in that case - >but to gain its full utility we need someone else to develop >open backend protocols. I think the question arises as to how the "backend protocol" would be expected to work. As mentioned earlier, NAS devices are not expected to participate in the realm routing mesh, so that there really is no effective way for them to obtain a full realm routing table from downstream proxies. This is a fundamental aspect of the architecture, not just a limitation of current technology. During IETF 64, it was suggested that the AP could forge EAP-Response/Identity packets in order to obtain "realm hints" as specified by http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-14.txt. This raised a number of concerns, such as the potential for unauthenticated users to do a DoS attack on the AAA infrastructure. Some of the cautions included in RFC 2865 Section 2.6 may apply here: 2.6. Keep-Alives Considered Harmful Some implementers have adopted the practice of sending test RADIUS requests to see if a server is alive. This practice is strongly discouraged, since it adds to load and harms scalability without providing any additional useful information. Since a RADIUS request is contained in a single datagram, in the time it would take you to send a ping you could just send the RADIUS request, and getting a reply tells you that the RADIUS server is up. If you do not have a RADIUS request to send, it does not matter if the server is up or not, because you are not using it. If you want to monitor your RADIUS server, use SNMP. That's what SNMP is for. > > Much as an Internet host determines whether another host is > > reachable by sending an IP packet to it, a network peer > > determines whether it can authenticate to a realm by > > attempting to communicate with it. If a peer attempts to > > authenticate to an unreachable realm, the problem may not be > > diagnosed until the request has traversed a core proxy with > > full knowledge of the realm routing table, much as a "ping" > > may not generate an ICMP network unreachable message until > > the request has reached a core router. > > > > As a result, it appears that much of the functionality > > required by IEEE 802.11u cannot be provided in situations > > where a single SSID is used to access an indetermine number > > of NAI realms. In such situations, > > the AP cannot easily obtain the required information relating > > to the availability and capabilities of reachable realms. > > > > The problem would be more tractable were IEEE 802.11u to > > focus on development of a more scalable "Virtual AP" model > > for IEEE 802.11. In such a model, a determinate number of > > NAI realms (perhaps only one) would correspond to an SSID, > > enabling the AP to be preconfigured with the capabilities > > associated with each configured SSID. This would enable the > > communication of available "Virtual APs" and capabilities to > > the STA without relying on facilities which are difficult for > > EAP or the AAA infrastructure to provide. > > > >[Mike Moreton] One of the things there seems general agreement within >802.11u over is that we have to avoid the multiple SSID situation >- it just isn't scalable enough. >I'm also not sure how having multiple SSIDs, each of which >mapped to a single NAI would actually be any easier than just >having multiple NAIs. [BA] I'd suggest that scalability be considered as one of the requirements. As I understand it, there are proposals on the table (including support for 'hidden SSIDs', multiple SSIDs/Beacon, etc.) that would improve scalability. >[Stephen McCann] Looking ahead to carrier grade 802.11 access networks, >I don't see how the mapping of SSIDs and NAIs can be managed, especially >if 'virtual realms' are introduced. Question: What is a 'virtual realm'? > > R8E1 - Required > > > > "Define functionality by which the STA is able to determine > > what online enrolment (also called online subscription) > > methods are supported by the network" > > > > In large scale roaming deployments, an AP will typically not > > have knowledge of all the potential roaming realms which > > customers may be able to authenticate to. For example, an AP > > typically is not configured with a realm routing table, but > > just a "default route" to the local AAA proxy or server. The > > local AAA proxy in turn may also be configured with a "default route". > > > > As a result, the AP may not know what realms are available, > > nor may it have information on the services (such as > > enrollment) provided by those realms. The AP may not be able > > to inform the STA whether online enrollment is supported by a > > realm, or even if a realm is reachable by the STA. > > > > Note that this problem cannot be solved by introduction of a > > "realm routing" protocol, since it would be unlikely that > > such a protocol would > > > > be supported by an AP, or even a local AAA proxy. Due to the > > memory and > > > > CPU requirements, it would be likely to only be supported > > on "core proxies", much as BGP is only run on core routers. > > > > As a result, an AP can only be presumed to have knowledge of > > a realm if that realm is configured into the AP, potentially > > as a "Virtual AP". > >[Mike Moreton] I think the core assumption within >802.11u is that the user device knows the identity (NAI etc) of >the network it wants to connect to. When considering >enrolment, it's easy enough for the device to discover the >identity of the local network, so enrolment with the local >network should not be a problem. As you say, enrolment with >remote networks would be challenging, but I'm not sure anyone >was imagining that case when the requirement was written. There is an important distinction between a 'network' and a 'realm'. An NAI realm is used to identify the home AAA server that the user authenticates to. As a result of that authentication and subsequent authentication, the user offered access. The parameters of that service may include tunneling (RFC 2868), VLAN tagging (RFC 3580), or more advanced VLAN processing (VLAN/Priority attributes draft). However, users in different realms may receive the same service, and thereby may be able to access the same network. So 'network' and 'realm' are really orthogonal concepts. > > Where a single physical or virtual AP is configured to enable > > access to multiple realms, the only way a STA can determine > > whether the realm supports an enrolment method is via an EAP > > exchange with that realm. > > > > While a partial solution is provided within "Identity > > selection hints for EAP" > > http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-adrangi-eap-network-d > > iscovery-14.txt > > this solution requires the STA to associate with an AP prior > > to discovering the supported realms. > > > > As a result, where an indetermine number of realms are > > reachable via a single "Virtual AP", the requirement > > specified in R8E1 may not be satisfiable by an exchange > > occurring solely within IEEE 802.11. > > > > R8E2 - Optional > > > > "Define functionality for online enrolment" > > > > During the recent EMU BOF, there was discussion of enrolment > > support within EAP. Rohan Mahy has submitted a draft on this > > subject: > > http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-mahy-eap-enrolment-00.txt > > > > This would support the document's assertion that "a solution > > may be outside the scope of this task group". > > > > However the current EMU WG Charter does not include a work > > item on enrolment. > >[Stephen McCann] Rohan previously has presented some interesting >material in 802.11u and I suggest that 802.11u reviews this draft, to >identify >any useful ideas. Since EMU is not being chartered to handle this work, if 802.11u has identified a need for this, then it would be appropriate to communicate that need. > > R8E4 - Optional > > > > "Functionality shall be provided by which APs can advertise (before > > connection) the charges that will be made for use of the > > network if a user enrolls with it." > > > > The charges associated with access to a realm may vary not > > only with the realm but also with the path by which the realm is >accessed > > -- the "decorated NAI". Since charges may also vary by time > > of day or day of the week, the information required to fully > > inform the STA may be quite complex. > > > > For the reasons described in R8E1, an AP may not know the > > realms accessible from within a given "Virtual AP", or the > > charges associated with access to that realm via any path, at > > any time. > > > > Since neither EAP nor AAA provides a mechanism for > > communication of charges, it is not clear how this > > requirement can be satisfied other than by manual > > configuration of an AP. > > > > We concur with the document characterization of this > > requirement as "optional". > > > > R8N1 - Required > > > > "Define functionality by which a STA can determine whether > > its subscription to an SSPN would allow it to access a > > particular 802.11AN before actually joining a BSS within that > > 802.11 AN. Proposals must describe their consideration of > > scalability." > > > > As described in the analysis of R8E1, where a single > > physical/virtual AP > > > > provides access to an indetermine number of realms an AP may > > not know what realms are accessible from a given "virtual > > AP". As a result, the AP may not have the information > > available to satisfy this requirement. > >[Mike Moreton] My assumption is that this information would either >be hard configured into the AP (not desirable) or that the >query would be passed on to some other device using some >protocol designed by another standards organisation (much more >desirable). As noted above, at IETF 64, there was concern expressed about the security aspects of proposals for the 'other protocol'. > > R8N2 - Required > > > > "The mechanism described in requirement R8N1 must allow a STA > > that has multiple credentials with an SSPN to select the > > correct credentials when authenticating with a Local Network." > > > > For a STA to select the correct credentials, it needs to be > > aware of the realms available to it, as well as the EAP method to be >used > > with the desired realm. Once a STA has enrolled in a realm, > > it presumably is configured with the EAP method to be used > > for that realm, so that the problem comes down to determining > > which realms are available. > > > > Therefore the issues inherent in realm discovery (see R8E1) > > are applicable to this requirement as well. > >[Mike Moreton] I've never quiet understood this requirement, but my >assumption is that the response to a "Do you provide connection >to this NAI?" question would also include an optional field >that could be used to indicate the realm within the network >indicated by that NAI. How that information gets to the AP >is again out of our scope. > > > R8N3 - Required > > > > "Define functionality to support authentication with multiple > > SSPNs through a single AP." > > > > That document indicates that "Its not acceptable to require a > > separate "virtual" AP for each SSPN", but does not provide > > more detail on how this statement was arrived at. Certainly, > > existing "Virtual AP" mechanisms do not scale much beyond a > > dozen "Virtual APs" per physical AP. However, recent > > submissions within IEEE 802.11 appear to be aimed at removing > > those limitations, by enabling multiple "Virtual APs" to be > > supported within a > > > > single Beacon/Probe Response, as well as by enabling support > > of "hidden virtual APs" that are not advertised. > > > > It would therefore appear that in the long term it may be > > possible to remove many of the "virtual AP" scaling limitations. > > > > It is suggested that IEEE 802.11u re-examine whether R8N3 is > > really required. > >[Mike Moreton] I think the consensus within 802.11u has >always been that we're willing to consider any proposal that >solves the problem, even if that proposal is "Don't do >anything - it's already solved elsewhere". The notes are >meant to be explanatory of the requirement and are not >limiting. But some of the 802.11u contributors are keen to >support architectures where 100s of different home networks >can be accessed - this is way beyond what can be achieved by >putting multiple SSIDs in the same beacon (and would in any >case have the sort of configuration issues you describe earlier). > >[Stephen McCann] Again Mike is referring to 'carrier grade' >installations, which some members of 802.11u are very concerned about. > > > > > > > R8N5, R8N6 - Optional > > > > The issues described with respect to R8E4 apply here as well. > > We concur with the characterization of this requirement as "optional". > > > > R8N7 - Not Required > > > > "It should be possible to inform a STA about unbroadcasted > > SSIDs without > > > > causing the STA to probe for each preferred SSID." > > > > Unbroadcasted or "hidden" SSIDs are one mechanism by which > > the scalability of 802.11 advertisement mechanisms may be > > improved. In a large scale roaming deployment, presumably > > many of the SSIDs would be "hidden", since even support for > > multiple "virtual AP" advertisements per Beacon might not be > > sufficient. > > > > Since a "hidden" SSID is by definition not advertised, a > > Probe Request/Response exchange is typically necessary to > > determine whether it > > > > is supported. If a STA has multiple SSIDs in its preference > > list which could conceivably be "hidden" then it is not clear > > how it can determine whether they are present without probing > > for them. > > > > We concur with the document characterization of this > > requirement as "not required". > >[Stephen McCann] For readers not familiar with 802.11u, Bernard >correctly states that this requirement is now out of scope of 802.11u. >However, for historical reasons we have kept it in our requirements >document. I do think that the topic of 'hidden SSIDs' is worth investigating though, because this does address many of the Beacon scalability issues that lead to the development of draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery. That document was understood at the time to be an interim solution that would be superceded by a better solution developed within IEEE 802.11u. Because it was supposed to be an 'interim solution', draft-adrangi did not deal with issues such as caching/TTL, addition of parameters such as cost, etc. During the discussion of draft-adrangi, there was concern about going down that road. So if the 'long term' solution will now rely on draft-adrangi, and attempt to introduce extensions that were considered out of scope (cost, TTL, etc.), then I think that would be a cause for concern, along with allowing 'realm discovery' to be triggered by an unauthenticated Probe Request. > > R8P2 - Required > > > > "Define functionality to prevent hijack of MAC addresses." > > > > RFC 4017 requires EAP methods supporting "mutual > > authentication" and "key derivation" so that a STA supporting > > IEEE 802.11i can determine whether an AP to which it has > > associated has been authorized by the AAA server. > > > > RFC 4017 also includes "Channel Binding" as an optional > > security claim. Among other things, support for channel > > bindings enables a STA to check with the AAA server whether > > an AP is impersonating another AP to the STA. > > > > More recently, IEEE 802.1ar "Secure Identity" has been > > chartered in order to enable verification of ownership of MAC > > addresses. > > > > Therefore there appears to be work in progress relevant to > > this requirement. > >[Mike Moreton] Good! If we can reference other >people's work then I'm all in favour of it. We need to keep >it as a requirement even if that will end up being the case. >Note that there are also traffic segmentation solutions to >this problem that may be equally beyond our scope. > > > > > R8A1 - Required > > > > "A STA shall be able to authenticate with different SSPNs > > simultaneously, in order to gain simultaneous access to > > multiple Destination Networks." > > > > Simultaneous access to multiple wireless networks has been > > demonstrated using existing standards: > > http://research.microsoft.com/~bahl/MS_Projects/MultiNet/default.htm > > > > As a result, new functionality may not be required to satisfy > > this requirement, if a scalable "Virtual AP" model is > > available. > >[Mike Moreton] And if we come up with a proper solution to >the MAC address anonymity problem it may be impossible to >prevent the STAs doing this. Note that some operators have a >big issue with this requirement. > > > R8I1 - Required > > > > "Define IEEE 802.11TM functionality which would be required > > to support an Emergency Call (e.g. E911) service as part of > > an overall, multi-layer solution. Specifically: Capability > > Advertisement Authentication issues" > > > > Multiple IEEE 802 groups have already become involved in the > > specification of Emergency Service capability -- IEEE > > 802.11k, 802.11v, 802.1AB (via TIA LLDP MED), raising > > questions about the overall coherence of the > > > > effort, let alone compatibility with the work of IETF WGs > > such as ECRIT and GEOPRIV. > > > > IEEE 802.11u may therefore wish to consider whether addition > > of another group will help or hinder the effort to develop a > > coherent Emergency Services architecture. > >[Mike Moreton] 802.11 WG is >co-ordinating the work of the various 802.11 task groups >interested in the Emergency Call Service. A final decision >has not yet been taken whether to place the bulk of this work >within 802.11u or 802.11v but I can assure you that the >intention is definitely not to have competing solutions. The >802.11k contribution is likely to be limited to provision of >location information, and hence will be part of the overall >solution rather than an alternative solution. > >[Stephen McCann] Specifically 802.11u feels that it should address >the network advertisement of emergency call capability and >subsequent admission control issues, as these are essentially >interworking issues. 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