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Use of this enhancement increases the likelihood that the correct and/or co= mplete form of a civic location becomes timely known in those cases where it is incomplete or incorrect. Terminology: Replace "can be" with is Location: The term Location can be used to refer to either a civic locatio= n or a geodetic location. Section 3: Include "US" in the similarLocation address returned from LoST. = It's a required CAType for addresses submitted to the ECRF, correct? Similar address #1: 6000 15th Ave NW Seattle, WA 98107 US Similar address #2: 6000 15th Ave NE Seattle, WA 98105 US After reading = the example in section 5.2 which aligns with section 3, the Input address: = 6000 15th Ave N Seattle, WA. should also include US. 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Today's Topics: 1. I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt (internet-drafts@ietf.org) 2. WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end date Oct 13 (Randall Gellens) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 12:07:46 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ecrit@ietf.org Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt Message-ID: <163294246652.12103.11096943873462065671@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with Internet= Technologies WG of the IETF. Title : A LoST extension to return complete and similar l= ocation info Authors : Brian Rosen Roger Marshall Jeff Martin Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2021-09-29 Abstract: This document introduces a new way to provide returned location information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or similar form to the original input civic location, based on whether valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the message. This document defines a new extension to the message within the LoST protocol [RFC5222] that enables the LoST protocol to return in a response a completed civic address element set for a valid location response, and one or more suggested sets of similar location information for an invalid location. These two types of civic addresses are referred to as either "complete location" or "similar location", and are included as a compilation of CAtype xml elements within the existing LoST message structure. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Victor Burton Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:31 PM To: ecrit@ietf.org Subject: RE: draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes Resending because I don't think my previous email made it to the ECRIT list= server. After the discussion on the topic of "planned changes algorithms" yesterday= (NENA i3 WG meeting on 9/16/21), the polling method seems the most practic= al and effective. From: Victor Burton Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:34 PM To: draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes@ietf.org Subject: draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes Hi Authors - 1. Nit: Abstract Change to ", and add a date which requests..." 2) Nit: element Change to "...defines a new element to request called..." 3) Nit: element Change from: "To minimize storage requirements of at the server,..." Thanks, Victor NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This email, including attachments, may contain informa= tion which is confidential, proprietary, attorney-client privileged and / o= r controlled under U.S. export laws and regulations and may be restricted f= rom disclosure by applicable State and Federal law. 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From: Victor Burton
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:31 PM
To: ecrit@ietf.org
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes

 

Resending because I don’t think my previous em= ail made it to the ECRIT list server.

After the discussion on the topic of “planned = changes algorithms” yesterday (NENA i3 WG meeting on 9/16/21), the po= lling method seems the most practical and effective.

 

From: Victor Burton
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:34 PM
To: draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes@ietf.org
Subject: draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes

 

Hi Authors –

 

  1. Nit: Abstract
Change to “, and =
add a date which requests…”
=
2)     =
Nit: <plannedChange> element

Change to “…de=
fines a new element to <findService> request called…R=
21;


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3)     =
Nit: <plannedChange> element

Change from: “To min=
imize storage requirements of at the server,…”


 


 


Thanks,


Victor


 


 
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Use of this enhancement increases the likelihood that the correct and/or co= mplete form of a civic location becomes timely known in those cases where it is incomplete or incorrect. Terminology: Replace "can be" with is Location: The term Location can be used to refer to either a civic locatio= n or a geodetic location. Section 3: Include "US" in the similarLocation address returned from LoST. = It's a required CAType for addresses submitted to the ECRF, correct? Similar address #1: 6000 15th Ave NW Seattle, WA 98107 US Similar address #2: 6000 15th Ave NE Seattle, WA 98105 US After reading = the example in section 5.2 which aligns with section 3, the Input address: = 6000 15th Ave N Seattle, WA. should also include US. 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Today's Topics: 1. I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt (internet-drafts@ietf.org) 2. WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end date Oct 13 (Randall Gellens) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 12:07:46 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ecrit@ietf.org Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt Message-ID: <163294246652.12103.11096943873462065671@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with Internet= Technologies WG of the IETF. Title : A LoST extension to return complete and similar l= ocation info Authors : Brian Rosen Roger Marshall Jeff Martin Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2021-09-29 Abstract: This document introduces a new way to provide returned location information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or similar form to the original input civic location, based on whether valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the message. This document defines a new extension to the message within the LoST protocol [RFC5222] that enables the LoST protocol to return in a response a completed civic address element set for a valid location response, and one or more suggested sets of similar location information for an invalid location. These two types of civic addresses are referred to as either "complete location" or "similar location", and are included as a compilation of CAtype xml elements within the existing LoST message structure. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ddti.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DM5PR1701MB1818.namprd17.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 3cfd90c9-3543-4622-34fd-08d9882752f9 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Oct 2021 17:41:12.5722 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4c0f48ba-5f29-44b1-b29c-1aff8251101b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: msL0O5m7snhM6OIMzcvKZJrLfHkmW45EasPWh0Kn3vWGQ7rAJJyRzrSj1OcSDgc9 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM5PR17MB1481 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt (was: Ecrit Digest, Vol 187, Issue 52) X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 17:41:23 -0000 Regarding the examples in section 3, I'm a bit uncomfortable with addresses= not being expressed in a way that is consistent with the CLDXF profile (fu= lly spelled out), although I agree that they can still communicate the conc= epts while using abbreviations. I would prefer that we modify these to use= fully spelled STS and POD values since CLDXF is supposed to be the officia= l profile for the locations being used. And IIRC, CLDXF also requires the = use of . However, the point you make about missing country is important for another,= more basic reason. While is minOccurs=3D"0" in the civicAddress= schema of RFC 5139, for all practical purposes a LoST server (with less th= an global coverage, at least) cannot be expected to know if it (or another = server) is authoritative for a queried location if that location does not i= nclude country. Because of this, our implementation considers civic locati= ons without country to be invalid - not in the list sense, but in the error sense. So, I think the first example where the complete location adds country, A1,= and PC is a poor example. In order for this to occur, the LoST server wou= ld need to know that the remaining elements are globally unique in combinat= ion - or more practically, that there is only one A3 =3D "Seattle" in the w= orld. I think it would be a better example to illustrate the addition of somethin= g like an STS value where the RD is already unique within the county+A1+A3 = that is shown, which would be a reasonable determination for a LoST server = to be able to make. Additionally, I believe the later example of input and similar addresses sh= ould also include country. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Victor Burton > Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 1:22 PM > To: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt (was: Ecrit= Digest, > Vol 187, Issue 52) >=20 > Introduction: Delete "timely". > Use of this enhancement increases the likelihood that the correct and/or > complete > form of a civic location becomes timely known in those cases where it > is incomplete or incorrect. >=20 > Terminology: Replace "can be" with is > Location: The term Location can be used to refer to either a civic locat= ion or a > geodetic location. >=20 > Section 3: Include "US" in the similarLocation address returned from LoST= . It's > a required CAType for addresses submitted to the ECRF, correct? > Similar address #1: 6000 15th Ave NW Seattle, WA 98107 US >=20 > Similar address #2: 6000 15th Ave NE Seattle, WA 98105 US After readin= g > the example in section 5.2 which aligns with section 3, the Input address= : > 6000 15th Ave N Seattle, WA. should also include US. I assume the LVF wil= l > validate an address without but then the description in section= 3 > would need to state that, correct? >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit On Behalf Of ecrit-request@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 12:02 PM > To: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Ecrit Digest, Vol 187, Issue 52 >=20 >=20 > WARNING: External Email: Exercise Caution >=20 > Send Ecrit mailing list submissions to > ecrit@ietf.org >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >=20 > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fww > w.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fecrit&data=3D04%7C01%7Cdbanks% > 40ddti.net%7Cf17bc75b13234b0036a108d9851af0e2%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b29 > c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C637687173040020776%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbG > Zsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6 > Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3D0F20KJpZD1t0XP3OMpP6GVcFyW8dHxozi0xo > xWDELlI%3D&reserved=3D0 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ecrit-request@ietf.org >=20 > You can reach the person managing the list at > ecrit-owner@ietf.org >=20 > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than = "Re: > Contents of Ecrit digest..." >=20 >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. 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WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end date Oct 13 > (Randall Gellens) >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 12:07:46 -0700 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt > Message-ID: <163294246652.12103.11096943873462065671@ietfa.amsl.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with Intern= et > Technologies WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : A LoST extension to return complete and similar= location info > Authors : Brian Rosen > Roger Marshall > Jeff Martin > Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2021-09-29 >=20 > Abstract: > This document introduces a new way to provide returned location > information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or > similar form to the original input civic location, based on whether > valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the > message. This document defines a new extension > to the message within the LoST protocol > [RFC5222] that enables the LoST protocol to return in a response a > completed civic address element set for a valid location response, > and one or more suggested sets of similar location information for an > invalid location. 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Embedded in t= rack-change in the MSWord version attached. I did not recheck the XML schem= a. Other than that, I'm fine with advancing this document. Thanks, Guy -----Message d'origine----- De=A0: Ecrit De la part de Randall Gellens Envoy=E9=A0: 29 septembre 2021 15:52 =C0=A0: ECRIT Objet=A0: [EXT][Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end dat= e Oct 13 This starts WGLC for draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11, a LoST extension= to return complete or similar location info. Please send both comments and messages that you support advancement of the = draft to this mailing list before October 13. 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Guy -----Message d'origine----- De=A0: Ecrit De la part de Victor Burton Envoy=E9=A0: 1 octobre 2021 13:22 =C0=A0: ecrit@ietf.org Objet=A0: [EXT]Re: [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt (was: E= crit Digest, Vol 187, Issue 52) Introduction: Delete "timely". Use of this enhancement increases the likelihood that the correct and/or co= mplete form of a civic location becomes timely known in those cases where it is incomplete or incorrect. [GC] I think the use of "timely" is warranted since without the enhancement= , the client would not even be aware of a location being incomplete.=20 Terminology: Replace "can be" with is Location: The term Location can be used to refer to either a civic locatio= n or a geodetic location. Section 3: Include "US" in the similarLocation address returned from LoST. = It's a required CAType for addresses submitted to the ECRF, correct? Similar address #1: 6000 15th Ave NW Seattle, WA 98107 US [GC] an ECRF is one specific embodiment of a LoST server and there are othe= r use cases that may have different policies. Similar address #2: 6000 15th Ave NE Seattle, WA 98105 US After reading = the example in section 5.2 which aligns with section 3, the Input address: = 6000 15th Ave N Seattle, WA. should also include US. I assume the LVF will = validate an address without but then the description in section 3= would need to state that, correct? [GC] The input address does not contain so technically speaking, = there is no requirement to include it in the response. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ddti.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DM5PR1701MB1818.namprd17.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e6208682-fa51-414d-3832-08d988476c40 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Oct 2021 21:30:58.8919 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4c0f48ba-5f29-44b1-b29c-1aff8251101b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 4mG4xMfTws646TNU021GJBF+Y6UiRiL96RO/rHz/Zv4bFU6hvxONMkv2wRHbe4VJ X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM5PR1701MB1753 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end date Oct 13 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 21:31:08 -0000 I have reviewed draft -11 and in addition to my earlier response to Victor'= s comments, I have the following suggestions and feedback: In section 2, Terminology Change: Civic Address Element: The term Civic Address Element is used within this document to apply to an individual CAtype data descriptor, for example, as is described in [RFC4776], [RFC5774], and [RFC6848]. To: Civic Address Element: The term Civic Address Element is used within this document to indicate any individual XML element used within the type defined in [RFC5139], including elements used at the extension point therein such as those defined in [RFC6848] and elsewhere. This term also includes the reference to such elements by qualified name as defined within the element in [RFC5222]. The definitions of Invalid Location and Valid Location being constrained to= those locations that have actually been queried against a LoST server is p= roblematic for the usage elsewhere in the document. While we could argue t= hat a location is neither Valid nor Invalid until we actually test it, then= we would have to separately define "expected" valid and invalid locations.= I think it would be better to modify the definitions as follows: Change: Valid Location: A Civic Location that was included in a LoST query with 'validateLocation' set and subsequently returned with all Civic Address Elements in the or lists. To: Valid Location: A Civic Location that, when included in a LoST query with 'validateLocation' set, will obtain a response having all Civic Address Elements in the or lists. Change Invalid Location: A Civic Location that was included in a LoST request with 'validateLocation' set and subsequently returned with one or more Civic Address Elements marked as invalid. Note that location information may be submitted in the request that causes the LoST server to return Civic Address Elements in the list. It is also possible that the location information submitted is so inaccurate that this extension can not be used, and the LoST server may return a error. In this document, we use the term Invalid Location only to refer to a case where the LoST server returns one or more elements in the list. To: Invalid Location: A Civic Location that, when included in a LoST query with 'validateLocation' set, will obtain a response having one or more Civic Address Elements in the list. Note that It is also possible that the location information submitted is so=20 inaccurate that location validation cannot be performed, and the LoST server may return a or error. In this document, the term Invalid Location only refers to a case where the LoST server returns one or more elements in the list; the error conditions are not considered. I suggest rewording the definition for Similar Location to make it more cle= ar. Change: A suggested civic location that is similar to the civic location which was input, but which had one or more invalid civic address elements returned by the LoST server or was missing Civic Adddress Elements the server has for the location. To: A suggested civic location that is similar to an Invalid Location which was used in a LoST query, but which has one or more elements added, modified, or removed such that the suggested location is a Valid Location. It's probably good for the draft to allow the use of not-yet-defined locati= on profiles that "derive" from the civic profile, but it is also a bit prob= lematic. Even in RFC 5222, the concept of location validation is really on= ly discussed with respect to the baseline civic profile. I think we need a= few changes related to that. In section three, first paragraph: Change: This extension is applicable when the location information in the request is in a civic profile as described in RFC5222 or in another profile derived from that civic profile. To: This extension is applicable when the location information in the request is in the Basic Civic profile as described in RFC5= 222 or in another profile derived from the Basic Civic profile. Because suc= h derived profiles have not yet been defined, this document describes the returned location extension primarily in terms of how it is to be used with the Basic Civic profile. Future definitions of profiles deriv= ing from the Basic Civic profile SHOULD provide instructions concerning the use of their respective profiles with this extension. In addition, the following restriction is imposed: A server MUST NOT include Returned Location Information using a location profile that differs from the prof= ile of the location used to answer the query and, by extension, MUST NOT include Returned Location Information using a location profile that was not used by the client in the request.=20 In section four, first paragraph, Change: The and elements contain a list of Civic Address Elements identical to the elements used in the location element with the 'civic' profile in [RFC5222] or another profile derived from the civic profile. To: The and elements are of type=20 "locationInformation" as defined by the LoST schema in [RFC5222], and=20 contain location information in the same profile of the location used to= =20 answer the query. These elements MAY contain location information either in the Basic Civic profile defined in [RFC5222] or in another pro= file that derives from the Basic Civic profile when such a profile has been d= efined. When used with the Basic Civic profile, these elements contain a element as defined in [RFC5139].=20 In the middle of section three,=20 Change: in the case where a LoST server response includes one or more Civic Address Elements marked as invalid, constituting an Invalid Location response. To: in the case where a LoST server response includes one or more Civic Address Elements marked as invalid, indicating an Invalid Location used in the query. Change: The other use case for this extension is when Invalid Location is received from the LoST server. To: The other use case for this extension is when Invalid Location has been = used To query the LoST server. And also change: When a LoST server returns a response to a request that contains a set of Civic Address Elements with one or more labeled as invalid, the location information in the can be extended to include one or more locations that might be the location desired. To: When a LoST server returns a response to a request that contains a set of Civic Address Elements with one or more labeled as invalid, the validation portion of= =20 the can be extended to include one or more locations that might be the location desired. In the final paragraph of section three, Change: This extension allows the LoST server to include the above similar addresses in the response to 'validateLocaton' request. To: This extension allows the LoST server to include the above similar addresses in the response to a request having 'validateLoc= aton' =3D true. In the schema, the element still needs to be corrected to include a= n xs: prefix. Overall, section three, the "overview", has the same concepts expressed mor= e than once. This seems unnecessary. Also, the overview is about twice as= long as section four. I would like to see some effort to make these two s= ections better organized. I believe the extension defined here is useful (and implemented a version o= f it quite some time ago), but I think the draft deserves another pass or t= wo before it advances. Dan Banks > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Randall Gellens > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 3:52 PM > To: ECRIT > Subject: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end date Oc= t 13 >=20 > This starts WGLC for draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11, a LoST extensi= on to > return complete or similar location info. >=20 > Please send both comments and messages that you support advancement of > the draft to this mailing list before October 13. >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > --Randall >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fww > w.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fecrit&data=3D04%7C01%7Cdbanks% > 40ddti.net%7Caa8d2edeb98a4a7b667108d98382903a%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b2 > 9c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C637685419081084242%7CUnknown%7CTWFpb > GZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI > 6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3D%2BmezKd%2FhSQT3mUcMvQcEg3IWNUus > 1yuz%2FU%2B0dim%2BTfI%3D&reserved=3D0 From nobody Wed Oct 6 07:43:16 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A273A1D12 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 07:43:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eIhf6BW9UX_H for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 07:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874233A1D0D for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 07:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.81.0.6] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Wed, 6 Oct 2021 07:43:05 -0700 From: "Randall Gellens" To: "Caron, Guy" Cc: ECRIT Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 07:43:03 -0700 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.2r5673) Message-ID: <7B43615D-4AC6-4F39-97EA-14A91BF9C9DC@randy.pensive.org> In-Reply-To: <32930801ea214802a05f176f1b0330c4@bell.ca> References: <6AA591C6-B84B-4A7E-936A-10C95C5FA936@randy.pensive.org> <32930801ea214802a05f176f1b0330c4@bell.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end date Oct 13 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:43:13 -0000 I have comments on a few of Guy's proposed edits; the ones not mentioned below I have no opinion on. (1) Regarding Guy's proposal to delete geodetic location from the definition of "Location" as well as the definition of "Geodetic Location," I think it would be more confusing to do that. Note that the definition of "Geodetic Location" says "Note: geodetic location is defined here for context, but is not used elsewhere within this document." We could add additional clarifying text if anyone feels it's needed, e.g., adding to the "Location" definition text such as "However, geodetic location is out of scope of this document." (2) Regarding Guy's proposed insertion of "proffered" into the definition of "Similar Location," I suggest instead adding "queried" as I think it's more clear (especially for some English speakers). (3) In Section 3, in the paragraph starting "In a LoST ", Guy suggests adding "the" in front of ", , , , and Civic Address Elements". I disagree; the sentence reads better without it. (4) Also in Section 3, in the paragraph starting "The information provided in the request may be enough", Guy suggests changing "alert the user to" to "alert the user of". I disagree, "to" reads better. (5) Section 4, second paragraph, Guy suggests changing "cannot assume that any of them are the correct location" to "cannot assume that any of them is the correct location". I suggest either retaining "are" or changing to "is" and also adding "one" in front of "any": "cannot assume that any one of them is the correct location." --Randall On 5 Oct 2021, at 13:44, Caron, Guy wrote: > I've reviewed -11 and only have editorial changes to propose. Embedded > in track-change in the MSWord version attached. I did not recheck the > XML schema. > > Other than that, I'm fine with advancing this document. > > Thanks, > > Guy > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Ecrit De la part de Randall Gellens > Envoyé : 29 septembre 2021 15:52 > À : ECRIT > Objet : [EXT][Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end > date Oct 13 > > This starts WGLC for draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11, a LoST > extension to return complete or similar location info. > > Please send both comments and messages that you support advancement of > the draft to this mailing list before October 13. > > Thank you, > > --Randall > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > External Email: Please use caution when opening links and attachments > / Courriel externe: Soyez prudent avec les liens et documents joints From nobody Wed Oct 6 10:37:56 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3C53A082F for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:37:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hBwpwhc2EZ65 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695FB3A0637 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.81.0.6] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:37:47 -0700 From: "Randall Gellens" To: "Dan Banks" Cc: ECRIT Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 10:37:44 -0700 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.2r5673) Message-ID: <8B928AC8-4087-482D-86FB-553689596348@randy.pensive.org> In-Reply-To: References: <6AA591C6-B84B-4A7E-936A-10C95C5FA936@randy.pensive.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end date Oct 13 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 17:37:55 -0000 Please see inline. On 5 Oct 2021, at 14:30, Dan Banks wrote: > I have reviewed draft -11 and in addition to my earlier response to > Victor's comments, I have the following suggestions and feedback: > > In section 2, Terminology > Change: > Civic Address Element: The term Civic Address Element is used > within > this document to apply to an individual CAtype data descriptor, > for example, as is described in [RFC4776], [RFC5774], and > [RFC6848]. > To: > Civic Address Element: The term Civic Address Element is used > within > this document to indicate any individual XML element used within > the type defined in [RFC5139], including elements > used > at the extension point therein such as those defined in > [RFC6848] and > elsewhere. This term also includes the reference to such > elements > by qualified name as defined within the > element > in [RFC5222]. > > > The definitions of Invalid Location and Valid Location being > constrained to those locations that have actually been queried against > a LoST server is problematic for the usage elsewhere in the document. > While we could argue that a location is neither Valid nor Invalid > until we actually test it, then we would have to separately define > "expected" valid and invalid locations. I think it would be better to > modify the definitions as follows: > > Change: > Valid Location: A Civic Location that was included in a LoST query > with 'validateLocation' set and subsequently returned with all > Civic Address Elements in the or lists. > To: > Valid Location: A Civic Location that, when included in a LoST query > with 'validateLocation' set, will obtain a response having all > Civic Address Elements in the or lists. > > Change > Invalid Location: A Civic Location that was included in a LoST > request with 'validateLocation' set and subsequently returned > with > one or more Civic Address Elements marked as invalid. Note that > location information may be submitted in the > request > that causes the LoST server to return Civic Address Elements in > the list. It is also possible that the location > information submitted is so inaccurate that this extension can > not > be used, and the LoST server may return a error. In > this document, we use the term Invalid Location only to refer to > a > case where the LoST server returns one or more elements in the > list. > To: > Invalid Location: A Civic Location that, when included in a LoST > query with 'validateLocation' set, will obtain a response having > one or more Civic Address Elements in the list. Note > that > It is also possible that the location information submitted is > so > inaccurate that location validation cannot be performed, and the > LoST server may return a or error. > In > this document, the term Invalid Location only refers to a > case where the LoST server returns one or more elements in the > list; the error conditions are not considered. > > I suggest rewording the definition for Similar Location to make it > more clear. > Change: > A suggested civic location that is similar to the > civic location which was input, but which had one or more > invalid > civic address elements returned by the LoST server or was > missing > Civic Adddress Elements the server has for the location. > To: > A suggested civic location that is similar to an > Invalid Location which was used in a LoST query, but which has > one > or more elements added, modified, or removed such that the > suggested location is a Valid Location. [RG] My understanding is that the current definition and expected use includes returning one or more similar locations for both valid (but potentially incomplete) or invalid queried locations. If so, this proposed change is too limiting. > It's probably good for the draft to allow the use of not-yet-defined > location profiles that "derive" from the civic profile, but it is also > a bit problematic. Even in RFC 5222, the concept of location > validation is really only discussed with respect to the baseline civic > profile. I think we need a few changes related to that. > > In section three, first paragraph: > Change: > This > extension is applicable when the location information in the > request is in a civic profile as described in RFC5222 > or in another profile derived from that civic profile. > To: > This > extension is applicable when the location information in the > request is in the Basic Civic profile as described in > RFC5222 > or in another profile derived from the Basic Civic profile. > Because such > derived profiles have not yet been defined, this document describes > the returned location extension primarily in terms of how it is to > be > used with the Basic Civic profile. Future definitions of profiles > deriving > from the Basic Civic profile SHOULD provide instructions concerning > the > use of their respective profiles with this extension. [RG] Or, we could reword slightly to avoid trying to impose normative requirements on future documents: [RG] This extension is applicable when the location information in the request is in the Basic Civic profile as described in RFC5222 or in another profile whose definition provides instructions concerning its use with this extension. As of this document, no such additional location profiles have been defined, so this document describes the returned location extension primarily in terms of how it is used with the Basic Civic profile. > In addition, the > following restriction is imposed: A server MUST NOT include > Returned > Location Information using a location profile that differs from the > profile > of the location used to answer the query and, by extension, MUST > NOT > include Returned Location Information using a location profile that > was > not used by the client in the request. > > > In section four, first paragraph, > Change: > The > and elements contain a list of > Civic Address Elements identical to the elements used in the > location > element with the 'civic' profile in [RFC5222] or another profile > derived from the civic profile. > To: > The > and elements are of type > "locationInformation" as defined by the LoST schema in [RFC5222], > and > contain location information in the same profile of the location > used to > answer the query. These elements MAY contain location information > either in the Basic Civic profile defined in [RFC5222] > or in another profile > that derives from the Basic Civic profile when such a profile has > been defined. [RG] Or, using the same language as above: [RG] or in another profile whose definition provides instructions concerning its use with this extension. > When used with the Basic Civic profile, these elements contain a > element as defined in [RFC5139]. > > > In the middle of section three, > Change: > in the case where a LoST server response includes one or more Civic > Address Elements marked as invalid, constituting an Invalid > Location > response. > To: > in the case where a LoST server response includes one or more Civic > Address Elements marked as invalid, indicating an Invalid Location > used in the query. > > Change: > The other use case for this extension is when Invalid Location is > received from the LoST server. > To: > The other use case for this extension is when Invalid Location has > been used > To query the LoST server. [RG] Perhaps: [RG] The other use case for this extension is when the queried location is an Invalid Location. > And also change: > When a LoST server returns a response > to a request that contains a set of Civic Address > Elements with one or more labeled as invalid, the location > information in the can be extended to include > one or more locations that might be the location desired. > To: > When a LoST server returns a response > to a request that contains a set of Civic Address > Elements with one or more labeled as invalid, [RG] Did you want to suggest changing "labeled" to "listed" to match your other suggested edit? > the validation portion of > the can be extended to include > one or more locations that might be the location desired. [RG] I'd suggest changing this to: [RG] this extension allows the server to include in the one or more locations that might be the intended location. > In the final paragraph of section three, > Change: > This extension allows the LoST server to include the above similar > addresses in the response to 'validateLocaton' request. > To: > This extension allows the LoST server to include the above similar > addresses in the response to a request having > 'validateLocaton' = true. [RG] I'd suggest changing "having" to "with" and changing "=" to "set to". > > In the schema, the element still needs to be corrected to > include an xs: prefix. > > > Overall, section three, the "overview", has the same concepts > expressed more than once. This seems unnecessary. Also, the overview > is about twice as long as section four. I would like to see some > effort to make these two sections better organized. > > I believe the extension defined here is useful (and implemented a > version of it quite some time ago), but I think the draft deserves > another pass or two before it advances. > > Dan Banks > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Randall Gellens >> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 3:52 PM >> To: ECRIT >> Subject: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end >> date Oct 13 >> >> This starts WGLC for draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11, a LoST >> extension to >> return complete or similar location info. >> >> Please send both comments and messages that you support advancement >> of >> the draft to this mailing list before October 13. >> >> Thank you, >> >> --Randall >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ecrit mailing list >> Ecrit@ietf.org >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww >> w.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fecrit&data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks% >> 40ddti.net%7Caa8d2edeb98a4a7b667108d98382903a%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b2 >> 9c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C637685419081084242%7CUnknown%7CTWFpb >> GZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI >> 6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BmezKd%2FhSQT3mUcMvQcEg3IWNUus >> 1yuz%2FU%2B0dim%2BTfI%3D&reserved=0 From nobody Wed Oct 6 10:44:42 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71C73A085A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:44:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FFGX2GdIt9Fl for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90AEA3A0857 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.81.0.6] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:44:35 -0700 From: "Randall Gellens" To: "Caron, Guy" Cc: "Victor Burton" , ecrit@ietf.org Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 10:44:31 -0700 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.2r5673) Message-ID: <978BA98B-C9F3-4CE7-B448-2E79A7EB5B20@randy.pensive.org> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt (was: Ecrit Digest, Vol 187, Issue 52) X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 17:44:41 -0000 Please see inline. --Randall On 5 Oct 2021, at 14:01, Caron, Guy wrote: > Inline. > > Guy > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Ecrit De la part de Victor Burton > Envoyé : 1 octobre 2021 13:22 > À : ecrit@ietf.org > Objet : [EXT]Re: [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt > (was: Ecrit Digest, Vol 187, Issue 52) > > Introduction: Delete "timely". > Use of this enhancement increases the likelihood that the correct > and/or complete > form of a civic location becomes timely known in those cases where > it > is incomplete or incorrect. > [GC] I think the use of "timely" is warranted since without the > enhancement, the client would not even be aware of a location being > incomplete. [RG] I agree with Guy; we should retain "timely". > > Terminology: Replace "can be" with is > Location: The term Location can be used to refer to either a civic > location or a geodetic location. [RG] Normally I'd be in favor of replacing "can be" with "is" (since it's almost always better wording) but in this particular case the document doesn't use "Location" to refer to geodetic location, so I think here "can be" is better. Or, we could say "is in general used" to refer to the larger scope outside this document. From nobody Wed Oct 6 10:51:21 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE733A08B6 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:51:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OrjDVp3JUq0F for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C863A089C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.81.0.6] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:51:11 -0700 From: "Randall Gellens" To: "Dan Banks" Cc: "Victor Burton" , ecrit@ietf.org Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 10:51:08 -0700 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.2r5673) Message-ID: <1C8F71FC-4047-40DF-A521-2BCD9B0AD881@randy.pensive.org> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt (was: Ecrit Digest, Vol 187, Issue 52) X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 17:51:20 -0000 Please see inline: --Randall On 5 Oct 2021, at 10:41, Dan Banks wrote: > Regarding the examples in section 3, I'm a bit uncomfortable with > addresses not being expressed in a way that is consistent with the > CLDXF profile (fully spelled out), although I agree that they can > still communicate the concepts while using abbreviations. I would > prefer that we modify these to use fully spelled STS and POD values > since CLDXF is supposed to be the official profile for the locations > being used. And IIRC, CLDXF also requires the use of . [RG] This seems reasonable. > However, the point you make about missing country is important for > another, more basic reason. While is minOccurs="0" in the > civicAddress schema of RFC 5139, for all practical purposes a LoST > server (with less than global coverage, at least) cannot be expected > to know if it (or another server) is authoritative for a queried > location if that location does not include country. Because of this, > our implementation considers civic locations without country to be > invalid - not in the list sense, but in > the error sense. > > So, I think the first example where the complete location adds > country, A1, and PC is a poor example. In order for this to occur, > the LoST server would need to know that the remaining elements are > globally unique in combination - or more practically, that there is > only one A3 = "Seattle" in the world. [RG] It seems to me that, in practice, an LVF will have a limited scope (a particular area), and hence will assume an omitted country (or even state) is the one in which it is authoritative or in which it is part of the LoST tree. But I do agree that one use of this extension is to complete an address to make it pedantically correct rather than just sufficient to find the intended address, and in that sense, showing an omitted country corrected to include it is good. > Additionally, I believe the later example of input and similar > addresses should also include country. [RG] I agree that it would be good to also include country. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Victor Burton >> Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 1:22 PM >> To: ecrit@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt (was: >> Ecrit Digest, >> Vol 187, Issue 52) >> >> Introduction: Delete "timely". >> Use of this enhancement increases the likelihood that the correct >> and/or >> complete >> form of a civic location becomes timely known in those cases where >> it >> is incomplete or incorrect. >> >> Terminology: Replace "can be" with is >> Location: The term Location can be used to refer to either a civic >> location or a >> geodetic location. >> >> Section 3: Include "US" in the similarLocation address returned from >> LoST. It's >> a required CAType for addresses submitted to the ECRF, correct? >> Similar address #1: 6000 15th Ave NW Seattle, WA 98107 US >> >> Similar address #2: 6000 15th Ave NE Seattle, WA 98105 US After >> reading >> the example in section 5.2 which aligns with section 3, the Input >> address: >> 6000 15th Ave N Seattle, WA. should also include US. I assume the LVF >> will >> validate an address without but then the description in >> section 3 >> would need to state that, correct? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ecrit On Behalf Of >> ecrit-request@ietf.org >> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 12:02 PM >> To: ecrit@ietf.org >> Subject: Ecrit Digest, Vol 187, Issue 52 >> >> >> WARNING: External Email: Exercise Caution >> >> Send Ecrit mailing list submissions to >> ecrit@ietf.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww >> w.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fecrit&data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks% >> 40ddti.net%7Cf17bc75b13234b0036a108d9851af0e2%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b29 >> c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C637687173040020776%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbG >> Zsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6 >> Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=0F20KJpZD1t0XP3OMpP6GVcFyW8dHxozi0xo >> xWDELlI%3D&reserved=0 >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> ecrit-request@ietf.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> ecrit-owner@ietf.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: >> Contents of Ecrit digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. 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WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end date Oct 13 >> (Randall Gellens) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 12:07:46 -0700 >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org >> To: >> Cc: ecrit@ietf.org >> Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt >> Message-ID: <163294246652.12103.11096943873462065671@ietfa.amsl.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with >> Internet >> Technologies WG of the IETF. >> >> Title : A LoST extension to return complete and >> similar location info >> Authors : Brian Rosen >> Roger Marshall >> Jeff Martin >> Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt >> Pages : 18 >> Date : 2021-09-29 >> >> Abstract: >> This document introduces a new way to provide returned location >> information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or >> similar form to the original input civic location, based on >> whether >> valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the >> message. This document defines a new >> extension >> to the message within the LoST protocol >> [RFC5222] that enables the LoST protocol to return in a response a >> completed civic address element set for a valid location response, >> and one or more suggested sets of similar location information for >> an >> invalid location. 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Fellow colleagues, I have read similar-location-11 and agr= ee with the direction of current discussion points on the mailing list.
I fully support the advancement of this work after any outs= tanding example=C2=A0items are resolved.

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--000000000000c4416905cdd787d0-- From nobody Fri Oct 8 07:59:28 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37313A0029 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2021 07:59:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.89 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FORGED_RELAY_MUA_TO_MX=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yLAGRDuaawaF for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2021 07:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADB03A03F7 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2021 07:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [99.111.97.136] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Fri, 8 Oct 2021 07:59:13 -0700 From: "Randall Gellens" To: "Caron, Guy" Cc: ECRIT Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 07:59:13 -0700 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.2r5673) Message-ID: <2669F813-B283-4D79-9145-F49DACE61137@randy.pensive.org> In-Reply-To: <73ce5ed14d2c4820805e5e1766656ac1@bell.ca> References: <6AA591C6-B84B-4A7E-936A-10C95C5FA936@randy.pensive.org> <32930801ea214802a05f176f1b0330c4@bell.ca> <7B43615D-4AC6-4F39-97EA-14A91BF9C9DC@randy.pensive.org> <73ce5ed14d2c4820805e5e1766656ac1@bell.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end date Oct 13 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 14:59:20 -0000 Please see inline. --Randall On 8 Oct 2021, at 5:57, Caron, Guy wrote: > Inline. > > > > I will point out that all my proposed editorial changes are just that, > editorial and are not meant to be blocking WGLC progress. > > > > I leave it to the authors to accept or reject any and all of those > suggested changes. > > > > Guy > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Randall Gellens > Envoyé : 6 octobre 2021 10:43 > À : Caron, Guy > Cc : ECRIT > Objet : [EXT]Re: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- > end date Oct 13 > > > > I have comments on a few of Guy's proposed edits; the ones not > mentioned below I have no opinion on. > > > > (1) Regarding Guy's proposal to delete geodetic location from the > definition of "Location" as well as the definition of "Geodetic > Location," I think it would be more confusing to do that. Note that > the definition of "Geodetic Location" says "Note: geodetic location > is defined here for context, but is not used elsewhere within this > document." We could add additional clarifying text if anyone feels > it's needed, e.g., adding to the "Location" definition text such as > "However, geodetic location is out of scope of this document." > > [GC] I suggest - Location: In the context of this document, the term > Location is restricted to a civic location. > > > > And get rid of the Geodetic Location definition. [rg] I believe it is helpful for clarification to retain the definition of geodetic. For the clarifying text that explains that geodetic isn't used in the document, I think "out of scope" or "not discussed" or "not used" is more clear than "restricted". > (2) Regarding Guy's proposed insertion of "proffered" into the > definition of "Similar Location," I suggest instead adding "queried" > as I think it's more clear (especially for some English speakers). > > [GC] Languages are not 100% codified, which lives room for preferences > and style. I don’t think “queried” is more clear than > “proffered”. I would argue that “queried” is less accurate in > the sense that the findService Request is not querying something, it > is offering/presenting/requesting a location to be processed for > validation. [rg] Validation is only done as part of a findService request, which is a query. Hence, it is most clear to describe it as a "queried" location. If you don't like "queried", then "sent in a request" is the most direct and clear language. > I recognize that “query”/”queried” are used in the document, > along with “provided” and “input”, and “proffered” would > be a new word. Despite the fact that I think “proffered” is > appropriate, I will not die on that hill. > > > > I do take exception to the commentary in parenthesis though, which I > find on the tangent of being offensive and discriminatory. I’m not > sure if these comments were submitted as an individual or as an IETF > WG Chairperson but think about the message this is sending to this > community or international participants: If you mother tongue is not > English, you do not have the moral authority to suggest editorial > changes. [rg] Thanks for letting me know you found my comment offensive, Guy. That was not my intent and I hadn't realized it could be seen as offensive. I'm sorry. I was not suggesting that anyone lacked moral authority for editorial suggestions; to the contrary, editorial comments can be especially valuable from those for whom their first language is not English as spoken in North America (especially the northeastern U.S. and much of Canada). The point I was trying to make is that using words that are less common can make comprehension more difficult for some English speakers, including some for whom it is not their first language as well as some whose native form is different. In conversations with IETF participants over many years, I've learned that words and phrases that may seem artful from the perspective of a native speaker of English in the U.S. can be difficult for others to follow. I try to use more common words and more direct language in Internet Drafts, as they have a worldwide audience. > (3) In Section 3, in the paragraph starting "In a LoST > ", Guy suggests adding "the" in front of ", > , , , and Civic Address Elements". I > disagree; the sentence reads better without it. > > [GC] Matter of style. I don’t care. > > > > (4) Also in Section 3, in the paragraph starting "The information > provided in the request may be enough", Guy suggests changing "alert > the user to" to "alert the user of". I disagree, "to" reads better. > > [GC] “Alert to” calls for an immediate action while “alert of” > is more passive and is meant to raise awareness. I took the latter to > be appropriate in the context but I’m fine either way. > > > > (5) Section 4, second paragraph, Guy suggests changing "cannot assume > that any of them are the correct location" to "cannot assume that any > of them is the correct location". I suggest either retaining "are" > > or changing to "is" and also adding "one" in front of "any": "cannot > assume that any one of them is the correct location." > > [GC] I’m fine with this suggestion. > > > > > > > > --Randall > > > > On 5 Oct 2021, at 13:44, Caron, Guy wrote: > > > >> I've reviewed -11 and only have editorial changes to propose. >> Embedded > >> in track-change in the MSWord version attached. I did not recheck the > >> XML schema. > >> > >> Other than that, I'm fine with advancing this document. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Guy > >> > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De : Ecrit > De >> la part de Randall Gellens > >> Envoyé : 29 septembre 2021 15:52 À : ECRIT >> > Objet : > >> [EXT][Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end date >> Oct > >> 13 > >> > >> This starts WGLC for draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11, a LoST > >> extension to return complete or similar location info. > >> > >> Please send both comments and messages that you support advancement >> of > >> the draft to this mailing list before October 13. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> > >> --Randall > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ecrit mailing list > >> Ecrit@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -------- External Email: Please use caution when opening links and > >> attachments / Courriel externe: Soyez prudent avec les liens et > >> documents joints > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > External Email: Please use caution when opening links and attachments > / Courriel externe: Soyez prudent avec les liens et documents joints From nobody Fri Oct 8 13:44:31 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DD83A08CB for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ddti.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: MWHPR1701MB1822.namprd17.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 82cbf40d-51f2-4a1a-aff0-08d98a9c65c4 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 Oct 2021 20:44:17.4257 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4c0f48ba-5f29-44b1-b29c-1aff8251101b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: wtN1yJEcD41jNWkBgwfGjkupF0DY0JLO1NGf9jCyY76dBCf6lIDLLTk19636RYjg X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MWHPR17MB1342 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end date Oct 13 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 20:44:27 -0000 Inline as well. > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall Gellens > Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 1:38 PM > To: Dan Banks > Cc: ECRIT > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end dat= e Oct > 13 >=20 > Please see inline. >=20 > On 5 Oct 2021, at 14:30, Dan Banks wrote: >=20 > > I have reviewed draft -11 and in addition to my earlier response to > > Victor's comments, I have the following suggestions and feedback: > > > > In section 2, Terminology > > Change: > > Civic Address Element: The term Civic Address Element is used > > within > > this document to apply to an individual CAtype data descriptor, > > for example, as is described in [RFC4776], [RFC5774], and > > [RFC6848]. > > To: > > Civic Address Element: The term Civic Address Element is used > > within > > this document to indicate any individual XML element used within > > the type defined in [RFC5139], including elements > > used > > at the extension point therein such as those defined in > > [RFC6848] and > > elsewhere. This term also includes the reference to such > > elements > > by qualified name as defined within the > > element > > in [RFC5222]. > > > > > > The definitions of Invalid Location and Valid Location being > > constrained to those locations that have actually been queried against > > a LoST server is problematic for the usage elsewhere in the document. > > While we could argue that a location is neither Valid nor Invalid > > until we actually test it, then we would have to separately define > > "expected" valid and invalid locations. I think it would be better to > > modify the definitions as follows: > > > > Change: > > Valid Location: A Civic Location that was included in a LoST query > > with 'validateLocation' set and subsequently returned with all > > Civic Address Elements in the or lists. > > To: > > Valid Location: A Civic Location that, when included in a LoST query > > with 'validateLocation' set, will obtain a response having all > > Civic Address Elements in the or lists. > > > > Change > > Invalid Location: A Civic Location that was included in a LoST > > request with 'validateLocation' set and subsequently returned > > with > > one or more Civic Address Elements marked as invalid. Note that > > location information may be submitted in the > > request > > that causes the LoST server to return Civic Address Elements in > > the list. It is also possible that the location > > information submitted is so inaccurate that this extension can > > not > > be used, and the LoST server may return a error. In > > this document, we use the term Invalid Location only to refer to > > a > > case where the LoST server returns one or more elements in the > > list. > > To: > > Invalid Location: A Civic Location that, when included in a LoST > > query with 'validateLocation' set, will obtain a response having > > one or more Civic Address Elements in the list. Note > > that > > It is also possible that the location information submitted is > > so > > inaccurate that location validation cannot be performed, and the > > LoST server may return a or error. > > In > > this document, the term Invalid Location only refers to a > > case where the LoST server returns one or more elements in the > > list; the error conditions are not considered. > > > > I suggest rewording the definition for Similar Location to make it > > more clear. > > Change: > > A suggested civic location that is similar to the > > civic location which was input, but which had one or more > > invalid > > civic address elements returned by the LoST server or was > > missing > > Civic Adddress Elements the server has for the location. > > To: > > A suggested civic location that is similar to an > > Invalid Location which was used in a LoST query, but which has > > one > > or more elements added, modified, or removed such that the > > suggested location is a Valid Location. >=20 > [RG] My understanding is that the current definition and expected use > includes returning one or more similar locations for both valid (but pote= ntially > incomplete) or invalid queried locations. If so, this proposed change is= too > limiting. >=20 [DB] I believe this is incorrect, and that the intent is for similar locati= ons to be returned only in response to an invalid location in the query, wh= ile a complete location will only be returned in response to a valid (but p= otentially incomplete) location in the query. Ensuring that this intent is= clear was part of the reason I suggested the edit. >=20 >=20 > > It's probably good for the draft to allow the use of not-yet-defined > > location profiles that "derive" from the civic profile, but it is also > > a bit problematic. Even in RFC 5222, the concept of location > > validation is really only discussed with respect to the baseline civic > > profile. I think we need a few changes related to that. > > > > In section three, first paragraph: > > Change: > > This > > extension is applicable when the location information in the > > request is in a civic profile as described in RFC5222 > > or in another profile derived from that civic profile. > > To: > > This > > extension is applicable when the location information in the > > request is in the Basic Civic profile as described in > > RFC5222 > > or in another profile derived from the Basic Civic profile. > > Because such > > derived profiles have not yet been defined, this document describes > > the returned location extension primarily in terms of how it is to > > be > > used with the Basic Civic profile. Future definitions of profiles > > deriving > > from the Basic Civic profile SHOULD provide instructions concerning > > the > > use of their respective profiles with this extension. >=20 > [RG] Or, we could reword slightly to avoid trying to impose normative > requirements on future documents: >=20 > [RG] This extension is applicable when the location information in the > request is in the Basic Civic profile as described in > RFC5222 or in another profile whose definition provides instructions > concerning its use with this extension. As of this document, no such > additional location profiles have been defined, so this document describe= s > the returned location extension primarily in terms of how it is used with= the > Basic Civic profile. [DB] That seems fine to me. >=20 > > In addition, the > > following restriction is imposed: A server MUST NOT include > > Returned > > Location Information using a location profile that differs from the > > profile > > of the location used to answer the query and, by extension, MUST > > NOT > > include Returned Location Information using a location profile that > > was > > not used by the client in the request. > > > > > > In section four, first paragraph, > > Change: > > The > > and elements contain a list of > > Civic Address Elements identical to the elements used in the > > location > > element with the 'civic' profile in [RFC5222] or another profile > > derived from the civic profile. > > To: > > The > > and elements are of type > > "locationInformation" as defined by the LoST schema in [RFC5222], > > and > > contain location information in the same profile of the location > > used to > > answer the query. These elements MAY contain location information > > either in the Basic Civic profile defined in [RFC5222] >=20 > > or in another profile > > that derives from the Basic Civic profile when such a profile has > > been defined. >=20 > [RG] Or, using the same language as above: >=20 > [RG] or in another profile whose definition provides instructions concern= ing > its use with this extension. > [DB] I would be ok with making this AND - derives from the Basic Civic prof= ile and provides instructions, etc. I think it is important to identify th= is concept - the extension applies to validation, and validation is only de= fined for civic profiles. > > When used with the Basic Civic profile, these elements contain a > > element as defined in [RFC5139]. > > > > > > In the middle of section three, > > Change: > > in the case where a LoST server response includes one or more Civic > > Address Elements marked as invalid, constituting an Invalid > > Location > > response. > > To: > > in the case where a LoST server response includes one or more Civic > > Address Elements marked as invalid, indicating an Invalid Location > > used in the query. > > > > Change: > > The other use case for this extension is when Invalid Location is > > received from the LoST server. > > To: > > The other use case for this extension is when Invalid Location has > > been used > > To query the LoST server. >=20 > [RG] Perhaps: >=20 > [RG] The other use case for this extension is when the queried location i= s an > Invalid Location. [DB] I prefer it the way I originally suggested, but this would be ok. >=20 >=20 > > And also change: > > When a LoST server returns a response > > to a request that contains a set of Civic Address > > Elements with one or more labeled as invalid, the location > > information in the can be extended to include > > one or more locations that might be the location desired. > > To: > > When a LoST server returns a response > > to a request that contains a set of Civic Address > > Elements with one or more labeled as invalid, >=20 > [RG] Did you want to suggest changing "labeled" to "listed" to match > your other suggested edit? [DB] yes, I believe "listed" is more correct. >=20 > > the validation portion of > > the can be extended to include > > one or more locations that might be the location desired. >=20 > [RG] I'd suggest changing this to: >=20 > [RG] this extension allows the server to include in the > one or more locations that might be the intended > location. [DB] I believe it is important to keep the specificity regarding the valida= tion portion. This could alternately be expressed as "the element. We're not using the extension point directly in the , and I wish to prevent readers from misunderstanding that. >=20 >=20 > > In the final paragraph of section three, > > Change: > > This extension allows the LoST server to include the above similar > > addresses in the response to 'validateLocaton' request. > > To: > > This extension allows the LoST server to include the above similar > > addresses in the response to a request having > > 'validateLocaton' =3D true. >=20 > [RG] I'd suggest changing "having" to "with" and changing "=3D" to "set > to". >=20 [DB] That's fine with me. > > > > In the schema, the element still needs to be corrected to > > include an xs: prefix. > > > > > > Overall, section three, the "overview", has the same concepts > > expressed more than once. This seems unnecessary. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ddti.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: MWHPR1701MB1822.namprd17.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 36b5bf52-ecee-45de-516a-08d98aa2003d X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 Oct 2021 21:24:24.0190 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4c0f48ba-5f29-44b1-b29c-1aff8251101b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: AaTPNdkSRFMqLdij+O5U++S2CcH4EVgaGoxOBSxmataWOzKolFCN5CnPezMTvhJt X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MW4PR17MB4874 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt (was: Ecrit Digest, Vol 187, Issue 52) X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 21:24:38 -0000 First, an additional fix that I neglected to include in my earlier emails: = in the example in section 5.2, the 'similarLocationsLimited' attribute is = shown on the final element. This is incorrect, as the at= tribute is defined by the schema directly on the eleme= nt. Additional discussion inline. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall Gellens > Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 1:51 PM > To: Dan Banks > Cc: Victor Burton ; ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11.txt (was: Ecrit= Digest, > Vol 187, Issue 52) >=20 > Please see inline: >=20 > --Randall >=20 > On 5 Oct 2021, at 10:41, Dan Banks wrote: >=20 > > Regarding the examples in section 3, I'm a bit uncomfortable with > > addresses not being expressed in a way that is consistent with the > > CLDXF profile (fully spelled out), although I agree that they can > > still communicate the concepts while using abbreviations. I would > > prefer that we modify these to use fully spelled STS and POD values > > since CLDXF is supposed to be the official profile for the locations > > being used. And IIRC, CLDXF also requires the use of . >=20 > [RG] This seems reasonable. >=20 >=20 > > However, the point you make about missing country is important for > > another, more basic reason. While is minOccurs=3D"0" in the > > civicAddress schema of RFC 5139, for all practical purposes a LoST > > server (with less than global coverage, at least) cannot be expected > > to know if it (or another server) is authoritative for a queried > > location if that location does not include country. Because of this, > > our implementation considers civic locations without country to be > > invalid - not in the list sense, but in > > the error sense. > > > > So, I think the first example where the complete location adds > > country, A1, and PC is a poor example. In order for this to occur, > > the LoST server would need to know that the remaining elements are > > globally unique in combination - or more practically, that there is > > only one A3 =3D "Seattle" in the world. >=20 > [RG] It seems to me that, in practice, an LVF will have a limited scope (= a > particular area), and hence will assume an omitted country (or even > state) is the one in which it is authoritative or in which it is part of = the LoST > tree. But I do agree that one use of this extension is to complete an ad= dress > to make it pedantically correct rather than just sufficient to find the i= ntended > address, and in that sense, showing an omitted country corrected to inclu= de > it is good. [DB] I agree that an LVF will have a limited scope, however I strongly disa= gree that it would be appropriate for a LoST server to make an assumption a= s you describe. One of the main principles that I have vocalized over the = years with respect to how LoST servers should operate and interoperate is t= hat a query should get the same answer no matter which LoST server the clie= nt first presents the query to. There are some edge cases where this may n= ot be 100% possible, but making an assumption about a critical omitted elem= ent undermines the principle. And it is precisely because of the limited s= cope that an element such as country becomes critical. I disagree, however, that showing an omitted country corrected to include i= s a good example. In order to correct it, the server has to either know or= assume it. Knowledge is unlikely, and assumption is bad, leading to my co= nclusion that the example is problematic. If we wanted to show an example of making something pedantically correct, I= would suggest the A2 element being returned in the complete location. A2 = is mandatory in CLDXF (IIRC we argued in NENA about this at length), but Lo= ST servers with state-wide GIS data are deployed and it is easy to understa= nd that such a LoST server would know if a location within its county+A1 bu= t missing A2 is uniquely identified or not. >=20 > > Additionally, I believe the later example of input and similar > > addresses should also include country. >=20 > [RG] I agree that it would be good to also include country. >=20 [remainder trimmed] From nobody Fri Oct 8 16:47:16 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A9B3A0DEB for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2021 16:47:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.89 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FORGED_RELAY_MUA_TO_MX=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JCsnydO5061Z for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2021 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484043A0DF1 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2021 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [99.111.97.136] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Fri, 8 Oct 2021 16:47:09 -0700 From: "Randall Gellens" To: "Dan Banks" Cc: ECRIT Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 16:47:08 -0700 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.2r5673) Message-ID: <191CA0AF-A085-442A-99FD-A1CDDFC69D70@randy.pensive.org> In-Reply-To: References: <6AA591C6-B84B-4A7E-936A-10C95C5FA936@randy.pensive.org> <8B928AC8-4087-482D-86FB-553689596348@randy.pensive.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end date Oct 13 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 23:47:16 -0000 Also in line. --Randall On 8 Oct 2021, at 13:44, Dan Banks wrote: > Inline as well. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Randall Gellens >> Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 1:38 PM >> To: Dan Banks >> Cc: ECRIT >> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end >> date Oct >> 13 >> >> Please see inline. >> >> On 5 Oct 2021, at 14:30, Dan Banks wrote: >> >>> I have reviewed draft -11 and in addition to my earlier response to >>> Victor's comments, I have the following suggestions and feedback: >>> >>> In section 2, Terminology >>> Change: >>> Civic Address Element: The term Civic Address Element is used >>> within >>> this document to apply to an individual CAtype data >>> descriptor, >>> for example, as is described in [RFC4776], [RFC5774], and >>> [RFC6848]. >>> To: >>> Civic Address Element: The term Civic Address Element is used >>> within >>> this document to indicate any individual XML element used >>> within >>> the type defined in [RFC5139], including >>> elements >>> used >>> at the extension point therein such as those defined in >>> [RFC6848] and >>> elsewhere. This term also includes the reference to such >>> elements >>> by qualified name as defined within the >>> element >>> in [RFC5222]. >>> >>> >>> The definitions of Invalid Location and Valid Location being >>> constrained to those locations that have actually been queried >>> against >>> a LoST server is problematic for the usage elsewhere in the >>> document. >>> While we could argue that a location is neither Valid nor Invalid >>> until we actually test it, then we would have to separately define >>> "expected" valid and invalid locations. I think it would be better >>> to >>> modify the definitions as follows: >>> >>> Change: >>> Valid Location: A Civic Location that was included in a LoST query >>> with 'validateLocation' set and subsequently returned with all >>> Civic Address Elements in the or lists. >>> To: >>> Valid Location: A Civic Location that, when included in a LoST >>> query >>> with 'validateLocation' set, will obtain a response having all >>> Civic Address Elements in the or lists. >>> >>> Change >>> Invalid Location: A Civic Location that was included in a LoST >>> request with 'validateLocation' set and subsequently returned >>> with >>> one or more Civic Address Elements marked as invalid. Note >>> that >>> location information may be submitted in the >>> request >>> that causes the LoST server to return Civic Address Elements >>> in >>> the list. It is also possible that the location >>> information submitted is so inaccurate that this extension can >>> not >>> be used, and the LoST server may return a error. >>> In >>> this document, we use the term Invalid Location only to refer >>> to >>> a >>> case where the LoST server returns one or more elements in the >>> list. >>> To: >>> Invalid Location: A Civic Location that, when included in a LoST >>> query with 'validateLocation' set, will obtain a response >>> having >>> one or more Civic Address Elements in the list. >>> Note >>> that >>> It is also possible that the location information submitted is >>> so >>> inaccurate that location validation cannot be performed, and >>> the >>> LoST server may return a or >>> error. >>> In >>> this document, the term Invalid Location only refers to a >>> case where the LoST server returns one or more elements in the >>> list; the error conditions are not considered. >>> >>> I suggest rewording the definition for Similar Location to make it >>> more clear. >>> Change: >>> A suggested civic location that is similar to the >>> civic location which was input, but which had one or more >>> invalid >>> civic address elements returned by the LoST server or was >>> missing >>> Civic Adddress Elements the server has for the location. >>> To: >>> A suggested civic location that is similar to an >>> Invalid Location which was used in a LoST query, but which has >>> one >>> or more elements added, modified, or removed such that the >>> suggested location is a Valid Location. >> >> [RG] My understanding is that the current definition and expected use >> includes returning one or more similar locations for both valid (but >> potentially >> incomplete) or invalid queried locations. If so, this proposed >> change is too >> limiting. >> > > [DB] I believe this is incorrect, and that the intent is for similar > locations to be returned only in response to an invalid location in > the query, while a complete location will only be returned in response > to a valid (but potentially incomplete) location in the query. > Ensuring that this intent is clear was part of the reason I suggested > the edit. [rg] Yes, you're correct, my apologies. [rg] Possibly, it might be helpful to add a sentence to the definitions of "Complete Location" and "Similar Location" along the lines of "Complete Location may be returned when the input location is valid but incomplete" and likewise "Similar Location may be returned when the input location is invalid", to be more clear. > >> >> >>> It's probably good for the draft to allow the use of not-yet-defined >>> location profiles that "derive" from the civic profile, but it is >>> also >>> a bit problematic. Even in RFC 5222, the concept of location >>> validation is really only discussed with respect to the baseline >>> civic >>> profile. I think we need a few changes related to that. >>> >>> In section three, first paragraph: >>> Change: >>> This >>> extension is applicable when the location information in the >>> request is in a civic profile as described in >>> RFC5222 >>> or in another profile derived from that civic profile. >>> To: >>> This >>> extension is applicable when the location information in the >>> request is in the Basic Civic profile as described >>> in >>> RFC5222 >>> or in another profile derived from the Basic Civic profile. >>> Because such >>> derived profiles have not yet been defined, this document >>> describes >>> the returned location extension primarily in terms of how it is >>> to >>> be >>> used with the Basic Civic profile. Future definitions of >>> profiles >>> deriving >>> from the Basic Civic profile SHOULD provide instructions >>> concerning >>> the >>> use of their respective profiles with this extension. >> >> [RG] Or, we could reword slightly to avoid trying to impose normative >> requirements on future documents: >> >> [RG] This extension is applicable when the location information in >> the >> request is in the Basic Civic profile as described in >> RFC5222 or in another profile whose definition provides instructions >> concerning its use with this extension. As of this document, no such >> additional location profiles have been defined, so this document >> describes >> the returned location extension primarily in terms of how it is used >> with the >> Basic Civic profile. > > [DB] That seems fine to me. > >> >>> In addition, the >>> following restriction is imposed: A server MUST NOT include >>> Returned >>> Location Information using a location profile that differs from >>> the >>> profile >>> of the location used to answer the query and, by extension, MUST >>> NOT >>> include Returned Location Information using a location profile >>> that >>> was >>> not used by the client in the request. >>> >>> >>> In section four, first paragraph, >>> Change: >>> The >>> and elements contain a list >>> of >>> Civic Address Elements identical to the elements used in the >>> location >>> element with the 'civic' profile in [RFC5222] or another profile >>> derived from the civic profile. >>> To: >>> The >>> and elements are of type >>> "locationInformation" as defined by the LoST schema in [RFC5222], >>> and >>> contain location information in the same profile of the location >>> used to >>> answer the query. These elements MAY contain location >>> information >>> either in the Basic Civic profile defined in [RFC5222] >> >>> or in another profile >>> that derives from the Basic Civic profile when such a profile has >>> been defined. >> >> [RG] Or, using the same language as above: >> >> [RG] or in another profile whose definition provides instructions >> concerning >> its use with this extension. >> > > [DB] I would be ok with making this AND - derives from the Basic Civic > profile and provides instructions, etc. I think it is important to > identify this concept - the extension applies to validation, and > validation is only defined for civic profiles. > > >>> When used with the Basic Civic profile, these elements contain a >>> element as defined in [RFC5139]. >>> >>> >>> In the middle of section three, >>> Change: >>> in the case where a LoST server response includes one or more >>> Civic >>> Address Elements marked as invalid, constituting an Invalid >>> Location >>> response. >>> To: >>> in the case where a LoST server response includes one or more >>> Civic >>> Address Elements marked as invalid, indicating an Invalid >>> Location >>> used in the query. >>> >>> Change: >>> The other use case for this extension is when Invalid Location is >>> received from the LoST server. >>> To: >>> The other use case for this extension is when Invalid Location >>> has >>> been used >>> To query the LoST server. >> >> [RG] Perhaps: >> >> [RG] The other use case for this extension is when the queried >> location is an >> Invalid Location. > > [DB] I prefer it the way I originally suggested, but this would be ok. > >> >> >>> And also change: >>> When a LoST server returns a response >>> to a request that contains a set of Civic Address >>> Elements with one or more labeled as invalid, the location >>> information in the can be extended to >>> include >>> one or more locations that might be the location desired. >>> To: >>> When a LoST server returns a response >>> to a request that contains a set of Civic Address >>> Elements with one or more labeled as invalid, >> >> [RG] Did you want to suggest changing "labeled" to "listed" to match >> your other suggested edit? > > [DB] yes, I believe "listed" is more correct. > >> >>> the validation portion of >>> the can be extended to include >>> one or more locations that might be the location desired. >> >> [RG] I'd suggest changing this to: >> >> [RG] this extension allows the server to include in the >> one or more locations that might be the >> intended >> location. > > [DB] I believe it is important to keep the specificity regarding the > validation portion. This could alternately be expressed as "the > element. We're not using the extension point > directly in the , and I wish to prevent readers > from misunderstanding that. > >> >> >>> In the final paragraph of section three, >>> Change: >>> This extension allows the LoST server to include the above >>> similar >>> addresses in the response to 'validateLocaton' request. >>> To: >>> This extension allows the LoST server to include the above >>> similar >>> addresses in the response to a request having >>> 'validateLocaton' = true. >> >> [RG] I'd suggest changing "having" to "with" and changing "=" to "set >> to". >> > > [DB] That's fine with me. > >>> >>> In the schema, the element still needs to be corrected to >>> include an xs: prefix. >>> >>> >>> Overall, section three, the "overview", has the same concepts >>> expressed more than once. This seems unnecessary. Also, the >>> overview >>> is about twice as long as section four. I would like to see some >>> effort to make these two sections better organized. >>> >>> I believe the extension defined here is useful (and implemented a >>> version of it quite some time ago), but I think the draft deserves >>> another pass or two before it advances. >>> >>> Dan Banks >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Randall Gellens >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 3:52 PM >>>> To: ECRIT >>>> Subject: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end >>>> date Oct 13 >>>> >>>> This starts WGLC for draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11, a LoST >>>> extension to >>>> return complete or similar location info. >>>> >>>> Please send both comments and messages that you support >> advancement >>>> of >>>> the draft to this mailing list before October 13. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> --Randall >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ecrit mailing list >>>> Ecrit@ietf.org >>>> >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww >>>> >> w.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fecrit&data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks% >>>> >> 40ddti.net%7Caa8d2edeb98a4a7b667108d98382903a%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b2 >>>> >> 9c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C637685419081084242%7CUnknown%7CTWFpb >>>> >> GZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI >>>> >> 6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BmezKd%2FhSQT3mUcMvQcEg3IWNUus >>>> 1yuz%2FU%2B0dim%2BTfI%3D&reserved=0 From nobody Fri Oct 8 17:07:31 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C52F3A0E13 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2021 17:07:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.89 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FORGED_RELAY_MUA_TO_MX=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rn18KCg4gpVa for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2021 17:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915AC3A0E15 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2021 17:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [99.111.97.136] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Fri, 8 Oct 2021 17:07:23 -0700 From: "Randall Gellens" To: "Dan Banks" Cc: ECRIT Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 17:07:22 -0700 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.2r5673) Message-ID: <3DD731A1-3AA8-4AA9-A477-077441BCC701@randy.pensive.org> In-Reply-To: References: <6AA591C6-B84B-4A7E-936A-10C95C5FA936@randy.pensive.org> <8B928AC8-4087-482D-86FB-553689596348@randy.pensive.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end date Oct 13 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 00:07:29 -0000 My apologies, I sent the prior message prematurely. Also in line. --Randall On 8 Oct 2021, at 13:44, Dan Banks wrote: > Inline as well. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Randall Gellens >> Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 1:38 PM >> To: Dan Banks >> Cc: ECRIT >> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end >> date Oct >> 13 >> >> Please see inline. >> >> On 5 Oct 2021, at 14:30, Dan Banks wrote: >> >>> I have reviewed draft -11 and in addition to my earlier response to >>> Victor's comments, I have the following suggestions and feedback: >>> >>> In section 2, Terminology >>> Change: >>> Civic Address Element: The term Civic Address Element is used >>> within >>> this document to apply to an individual CAtype data >>> descriptor, >>> for example, as is described in [RFC4776], [RFC5774], and >>> [RFC6848]. >>> To: >>> Civic Address Element: The term Civic Address Element is used >>> within >>> this document to indicate any individual XML element used >>> within >>> the type defined in [RFC5139], including >>> elements >>> used >>> at the extension point therein such as those defined in >>> [RFC6848] and >>> elsewhere. This term also includes the reference to such >>> elements >>> by qualified name as defined within the >>> element >>> in [RFC5222]. >>> >>> >>> The definitions of Invalid Location and Valid Location being >>> constrained to those locations that have actually been queried >>> against >>> a LoST server is problematic for the usage elsewhere in the >>> document. >>> While we could argue that a location is neither Valid nor Invalid >>> until we actually test it, then we would have to separately define >>> "expected" valid and invalid locations. I think it would be better >>> to >>> modify the definitions as follows: >>> >>> Change: >>> Valid Location: A Civic Location that was included in a LoST query >>> with 'validateLocation' set and subsequently returned with all >>> Civic Address Elements in the or lists. >>> To: >>> Valid Location: A Civic Location that, when included in a LoST >>> query >>> with 'validateLocation' set, will obtain a response having all >>> Civic Address Elements in the or lists. >>> >>> Change >>> Invalid Location: A Civic Location that was included in a LoST >>> request with 'validateLocation' set and subsequently returned >>> with >>> one or more Civic Address Elements marked as invalid. Note >>> that >>> location information may be submitted in the >>> request >>> that causes the LoST server to return Civic Address Elements >>> in >>> the list. It is also possible that the location >>> information submitted is so inaccurate that this extension can >>> not >>> be used, and the LoST server may return a error. >>> In >>> this document, we use the term Invalid Location only to refer >>> to >>> a >>> case where the LoST server returns one or more elements in the >>> list. >>> To: >>> Invalid Location: A Civic Location that, when included in a LoST >>> query with 'validateLocation' set, will obtain a response >>> having >>> one or more Civic Address Elements in the list. >>> Note >>> that >>> It is also possible that the location information submitted is >>> so >>> inaccurate that location validation cannot be performed, and >>> the >>> LoST server may return a or >>> error. >>> In >>> this document, the term Invalid Location only refers to a >>> case where the LoST server returns one or more elements in the >>> list; the error conditions are not considered. >>> >>> I suggest rewording the definition for Similar Location to make it >>> more clear. >>> Change: >>> A suggested civic location that is similar to the >>> civic location which was input, but which had one or more >>> invalid >>> civic address elements returned by the LoST server or was >>> missing >>> Civic Adddress Elements the server has for the location. >>> To: >>> A suggested civic location that is similar to an >>> Invalid Location which was used in a LoST query, but which has >>> one >>> or more elements added, modified, or removed such that the >>> suggested location is a Valid Location. >> >> [RG] My understanding is that the current definition and expected use >> includes returning one or more similar locations for both valid (but >> potentially >> incomplete) or invalid queried locations. If so, this proposed >> change is too >> limiting. >> > > [DB] I believe this is incorrect, and that the intent is for similar > locations to be returned only in response to an invalid location in > the query, while a complete location will only be returned in response > to a valid (but potentially incomplete) location in the query. > Ensuring that this intent is clear was part of the reason I suggested > the edit. [rg] Yes, you're correct, my apologies. [rg] Possibly, it might be helpful to add a sentence to the definitions of "Complete Location" and "Similar Location" along the lines of "Complete Location may be returned when the input location is valid but incomplete" and likewise "Similar Location may be returned when the input location is invalid", to be more clear. >>> It's probably good for the draft to allow the use of not-yet-defined >>> location profiles that "derive" from the civic profile, but it is >>> also >>> a bit problematic. Even in RFC 5222, the concept of location >>> validation is really only discussed with respect to the baseline >>> civic >>> profile. I think we need a few changes related to that. >>> >>> In section three, first paragraph: >>> Change: >>> This >>> extension is applicable when the location information in the >>> request is in a civic profile as described in >>> RFC5222 >>> or in another profile derived from that civic profile. >>> To: >>> This >>> extension is applicable when the location information in the >>> request is in the Basic Civic profile as described >>> in >>> RFC5222 >>> or in another profile derived from the Basic Civic profile. >>> Because such >>> derived profiles have not yet been defined, this document >>> describes >>> the returned location extension primarily in terms of how it is >>> to >>> be >>> used with the Basic Civic profile. Future definitions of >>> profiles >>> deriving >>> from the Basic Civic profile SHOULD provide instructions >>> concerning >>> the >>> use of their respective profiles with this extension. >> >> [RG] Or, we could reword slightly to avoid trying to impose normative >> requirements on future documents: >> >> [RG] This extension is applicable when the location information in >> the >> request is in the Basic Civic profile as described in >> RFC5222 or in another profile whose definition provides instructions >> concerning its use with this extension. As of this document, no such >> additional location profiles have been defined, so this document >> describes >> the returned location extension primarily in terms of how it is used >> with the >> Basic Civic profile. > > [DB] That seems fine to me. > >> >>> In addition, the >>> following restriction is imposed: A server MUST NOT include >>> Returned >>> Location Information using a location profile that differs from >>> the >>> profile >>> of the location used to answer the query and, by extension, MUST >>> NOT >>> include Returned Location Information using a location profile >>> that >>> was >>> not used by the client in the request. >>> >>> >>> In section four, first paragraph, >>> Change: >>> The >>> and elements contain a list >>> of >>> Civic Address Elements identical to the elements used in the >>> location >>> element with the 'civic' profile in [RFC5222] or another profile >>> derived from the civic profile. >>> To: >>> The >>> and elements are of type >>> "locationInformation" as defined by the LoST schema in [RFC5222], >>> and >>> contain location information in the same profile of the location >>> used to >>> answer the query. These elements MAY contain location >>> information >>> either in the Basic Civic profile defined in [RFC5222] >> >>> or in another profile >>> that derives from the Basic Civic profile when such a profile has >>> been defined. >> >> [RG] Or, using the same language as above: >> >> [RG] or in another profile whose definition provides instructions >> concerning >> its use with this extension. >> > > [DB] I would be ok with making this AND - derives from the Basic Civic > profile and provides instructions, etc. I think it is important to > identify this concept - the extension applies to validation, and > validation is only defined for civic profiles. [rg] Presumably, no new geodetic location profile will be defined that includes instructions for use with this extension, for this reason. There might, in theory, be a new civic profile that isn't derived from the basic one. >>> When used with the Basic Civic profile, these elements contain a >>> element as defined in [RFC5139]. >>> >>> >>> In the middle of section three, >>> Change: >>> in the case where a LoST server response includes one or more >>> Civic >>> Address Elements marked as invalid, constituting an Invalid >>> Location >>> response. >>> To: >>> in the case where a LoST server response includes one or more >>> Civic >>> Address Elements marked as invalid, indicating an Invalid >>> Location >>> used in the query. >>> >>> Change: >>> The other use case for this extension is when Invalid Location is >>> received from the LoST server. >>> To: >>> The other use case for this extension is when Invalid Location >>> has >>> been used >>> To query the LoST server. >> >> [RG] Perhaps: >> >> [RG] The other use case for this extension is when the queried >> location is an >> Invalid Location. > > [DB] I prefer it the way I originally suggested, but this would be ok. [rg] I'm trying to make it clear that it's the location in this request that's being referenced. Perhaps it's esoteric and not worth the bother. What about "The other use case for this extension is when the request contains Invalid Location"? >>> And also change: >>> When a LoST server returns a response >>> to a request that contains a set of Civic Address >>> Elements with one or more labeled as invalid, the location >>> information in the can be extended to >>> include >>> one or more locations that might be the location desired. >>> To: >>> When a LoST server returns a response >>> to a request that contains a set of Civic Address >>> Elements with one or more labeled as invalid, >> >> [RG] Did you want to suggest changing "labeled" to "listed" to match >> your other suggested edit? > > [DB] yes, I believe "listed" is more correct. > >> >>> the validation portion of >>> the can be extended to include >>> one or more locations that might be the location desired. >> >> [RG] I'd suggest changing this to: >> >> [RG] this extension allows the server to include in the >> one or more locations that might be the >> intended >> location. > > [DB] I believe it is important to keep the specificity regarding the > validation portion. This could alternately be expressed as "the > element. We're not using the extension point > directly in the , and I wish to prevent readers > from misunderstanding that. [rg] Makes sense. I was trying to avoid the fuzzy wording of the phrase "can be extended" and also use "intended" rather than "desired". Perhaps "this extension allows the server to include in the element one or more locations that might be the intended location"? >>> In the final paragraph of section three, >>> Change: >>> This extension allows the LoST server to include the above >>> similar >>> addresses in the response to 'validateLocaton' request. >>> To: >>> This extension allows the LoST server to include the above >>> similar >>> addresses in the response to a request having >>> 'validateLocaton' = true. >> >> [RG] I'd suggest changing "having" to "with" and changing "=" to "set >> to". >> > > [DB] That's fine with me. > >>> >>> In the schema, the element still needs to be corrected to >>> include an xs: prefix. >>> >>> >>> Overall, section three, the "overview", has the same concepts >>> expressed more than once. This seems unnecessary. Also, the >>> overview >>> is about twice as long as section four. I would like to see some >>> effort to make these two sections better organized. >>> >>> I believe the extension defined here is useful (and implemented a >>> version of it quite some time ago), but I think the draft deserves >>> another pass or two before it advances. >>> >>> Dan Banks >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Randall Gellens >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 3:52 PM >>>> To: ECRIT >>>> Subject: [Ecrit] WGLC draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11 -- end >>>> date Oct 13 >>>> >>>> This starts WGLC for draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-11, a LoST >>>> extension to >>>> return complete or similar location info. >>>> >>>> Please send both comments and messages that you support >> advancement >>>> of >>>> the draft to this mailing list before October 13. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> --Randall >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ecrit mailing list >>>> Ecrit@ietf.org >>>> >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww >>>> >> w.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fecrit&data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks% >>>> >> 40ddti.net%7Caa8d2edeb98a4a7b667108d98382903a%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b2 >>>> >> 9c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C637685419081084242%7CUnknown%7CTWFpb >>>> >> GZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI >>>> >> 6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BmezKd%2FhSQT3mUcMvQcEg3IWNUus >>>> 1yuz%2FU%2B0dim%2BTfI%3D&reserved=0 From nobody Mon Oct 11 10:51:21 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietf.org Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A98B3A0402; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:51:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ecrit@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ecrit@ietf.org Message-ID: <163397466010.5686.13981653575425031152@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:51:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05.txt X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:51:01 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies WG of the IETF. Title : Validation of Locations Around a Planned Change Author : Brian Rosen Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2021-10-11 Abstract: This document defines an extension to the Location to Service Translation (LoST) protocol (RFC5222) that allows planned changes to the data to be handled smoothly. This extension is only useful with the validation function of LoST. It is beneficial for LoST validation clients to be aware of planned changes, as records that previously were valid may become invalid at a known future date, and new locations may become valid after the date. This extension adds an element to the request: a date that allows the LoST client to request that the server perform validation as of the date specified. It adds an optional Time-To-Live element to the response, which informs clients of the current expected lifetime of a validation. It also adds a separate interface to the LoST server that allows a client to poll for planned changes. Additionally, this document provides a conventional XML schema for LoST, as a backwards compatible alternative to the RelaxNG schema in RFC5222. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes/ There is also an htmlized version available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Oct 11 10:58:18 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33D63A040A for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:58:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=brianrosen-net.20210112.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9969DykcC4Y4 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x82a.google.com (mail-qt1-x82a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 525463A0400 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x82a.google.com with SMTP id r17so11884463qtx.10 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:58:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=brianrosen-net.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=GKACiT7bXjA9v28mLGiGNcnN9RzLp4Y4EEVhgW4XFLY=; b=NSnuHaY33d+WA4YBRinWD2QQwSLuZjkUcwwdBlyAt6o93GouvXMvTpr8ZezRFyfM9+ gyuorW4vft+rFHn9I8BcZ0NrKnaXl2UZAGswxc0CTfvyF4G8qtjjtlrfryPA6h0w+Gsl nMNqycLlIUTMjPAWn8bJOKvV2458lvyDKMcYuYIPuPXFz2jRu9VGqib/eotKv3Q2Rn2N FY5pekEgixxXUGi2LJV0SclEOPAH+mCtRxYOFLak2hbWSpsPLL+Qk06UjzOTNXCRNC/s D/lyLAIMcOeAwI3pFLb8xAbQxMoV89NqvOE/+u7AgAoi7SCe181IsWnPk4/nYRA963E0 aRrA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=GKACiT7bXjA9v28mLGiGNcnN9RzLp4Y4EEVhgW4XFLY=; b=KKbjDzGnEpDYfpjUKeO/8kFcUUrG4ZQgRbGH5QoVhuH6XB1iUzSOQ8x//mFmU98rJC SeHWXYIe3IUn59pP0nolIBDkZPTsKaiZYUGS82g8J/T9/CQPaBmURXKkzcQyv7ll0JNg LZJMrpW/y0BLdqvgfhUE8zSpIbfUHRdN9etS/TE8tY41fxW0t0iWrH3MXoZ+e9/H+vdX xHYH4mWgUoJKK98WTQGC23eDFIwAG2S8igyuB3bnCxA9yTCNlKYXL+dqEH9VXSk+N3Np ZL3D82+2RGNe/PqYn6EPAT+Gm7pDSBeIts2xNURsqSJfwTduDZiiVQ3qFc2h2HF2IsmT poKg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531zlUdJ2CEz7vQrPuMTrqwJlPuyaYZXabI9I2ZMnIQ3FHuxqzt7 48nXHDLT4yjpUtZgHiM8MLfr29+uAGEc+v5Z X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwKQwF0BxRkkRb3p8YEgTcVQRxtKQnLYPBge8577wo3uairtzx6PAhmzg85HZN5FoDTVa6nBw== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5201:: with SMTP id r1mr16321411qtn.341.1633975078692; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (dynamic-acs-24-154-121-237.zoominternet.net. [24.154.121.237]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m5sm5274079qtk.88.2021.10.11.10.57.58 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:57:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Rosen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:57:55 -0400 References: <163397466010.5686.13981653575425031152@ietfa.amsl.com> To: ECRIT In-Reply-To: <163397466010.5686.13981653575425031152@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-Id: <5C21D4CF-5C6A-4543-BCBB-2AB1691FB807@brianrosen.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05.txt X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:58:17 -0000 Because we don=E2=80=99t seem to have any consensus on how to decide = notify vs polling, I have provided an -05 version with the polling = interface. Even though I personally prefer the notification mechanism = in prior versions, I really want to get this done, I know we can make = polling work, and if this gets us going, I=E2=80=99m okay. This version includes most of the edits Randal suggested and other edits = as requested. The polling interface is described with OpenAPI 3.0, which our NENA = participants are familiar with. I included the same version mechanism = we use in NENA interfaces. Brian > On Oct 11, 2021, at 1:51 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with = Internet Technologies WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Validation of Locations Around a Planned = Change > Author : Brian Rosen > Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05.txt > Pages : 21 > Date : 2021-10-11 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines an extension to the Location to Service > Translation (LoST) protocol (RFC5222) that allows planned changes to > the data to be handled smoothly. This extension is only useful with > the validation function of LoST. It is beneficial for LoST > validation clients to be aware of planned changes, as records that > previously were valid may become invalid at a known future date, and > new locations may become valid after the date. This extension adds > an element to the request: a date that allows the LoST > client to request that the server perform validation as of the date > specified. It adds an optional Time-To-Live element to the = response, > which informs clients of the current expected lifetime of a > validation. It also adds a separate interface to the LoST server > that allows a client to poll for planned changes. Additionally, = this > document provides a conventional XML schema for LoST, as a backwards > compatible alternative to the RelaxNG schema in RFC5222. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes/ >=20 > There is also an htmlized version available at: > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-change= s-05 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-= 05 >=20 >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Mon Oct 11 16:31:17 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietf.org Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379393A114A; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 16:29:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ecrit@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ecrit@ietf.org Message-ID: <163399499255.30613.4589858999933752771@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 16:29:53 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 23:29:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies WG of the IETF. Title : A LoST extension to return complete and similar location info Authors : Brian Rosen Roger Marshall Jeff Martin Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2021-10-11 Abstract: This document introduces a new way to provide returned location information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or similar form to the original input civic location, based on whether valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the message. This document defines a new extension to the message within the LoST protocol [RFC5222] that enables the LoST protocol to return in a response a completed civic address element set for a valid location response, and one or more suggested sets of similar location information for an invalid location. These two types of civic addresses are referred to as either "complete location" or "similar location", and are included as a compilation of CAtype xml elements within the existing LoST message structure. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location/ There is also an htmlized version available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Oct 11 18:20:59 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798F53A0A22 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 18:20:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 80MyE9kFie-H for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 18:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ed1-x533.google.com (mail-ed1-x533.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::533]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EE4C3A0A1B for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 18:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x533.google.com with SMTP id r18so74606341edv.12 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 18:20:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=i6kGAhRCd9aFuYC6v8docr4wPOHZ8QyJqzwgNafOEWU=; b=I2DMW5Ns37hZgP7mqf+YY0sKcKteXqDsvxUS4PN6893Nk5Mg6hkZwb8u7D5RKEhjg/ Jn589nXg6dxwuJmkE6M3XTVkeiPQT6ofPxBp1n/r1SWFeD5AxOUTRIZzm6/51CpVejHS NBtmLIIxrGysetGfhTI44pHumuPC1VlDJV1am9BVEXKTsUvDpOGmW0H4+3P/uFAwwZox rWpxWJqmsi19tHEkVU3aaALTZCcg+FzyYWnKShDC4Yy9q/ZZLBSMcdiYg9WwF/rwKcsM lLEyX411LXlYPn0HJO9+KWhbJDFDBaJXRTkeqcay4eAXMF1xUQGwBwzyyCAcho80hPkj BFew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=i6kGAhRCd9aFuYC6v8docr4wPOHZ8QyJqzwgNafOEWU=; b=4SuJyZFGveG7P5LZU8aHH3K8d87KbP1uOwB2CSYJBC+59qRe4BkM0lZ72/2T7sEqow mdWeVNJGw6+72R34FDJ7D7IN7kzYnpOlitjYugGHZAUpTvFynMGIXJvSKeXNP18SCS2l n1LLvoY93pye1y7rZ6BRW6Rx/EHGiEr147u3HD0Nw2KbDbJ7Lo6CbwUKOt9u0vD6fBvE RaWlxqagYsHfxhFuYG9rSrsjBopjPDqWGb3FEVztGyopAcDZD5wbnqaUhI2FrPqn/aTx qG+84LS+2XUOreevjRtuZYtGD3bbV5r3Ae8iFnIy4oXKvtpTkPo1rahgAh8cIwqV/hnX 2vaw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533AFqP/CQRJWZbuyckt8I+kLjzEV3snkgxhZ1xTQFEq8ItUJqJR ikYnvBnjLLK+CbtOUlvIBxfPUfi25fYfR50ZPnyyQWjxKQM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJznEihpI613NnDByJPUtkF8oFmXQiG7SdfbLpsNVk5qTvJ8D21Epy2bJV6ARzxts/4MOZlhymb2j5i1lNtYi9k= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:94da:: with SMTP id d26mr871833ejy.213.1634001650332; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 18:20:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <163399499255.30613.4589858999933752771@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <163399499255.30613.4589858999933752771@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Dwight Purtle Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 20:20:39 -0500 Message-ID: To: ECRIT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ee385c05ce1da7a8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 01:20:58 -0000 --000000000000ee385c05ce1da7a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The minor edits I requested have been made in this version. I'm good with proceeding to approval. Dwight Purtle On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 6:30 PM wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with > Internet Technologies WG of the IETF. > > Title : A LoST extension to return complete and similar > location info > Authors : Brian Rosen > Roger Marshall > Jeff Martin > Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt > Pages : 17 > Date : 2021-10-11 > > Abstract: > This document introduces a new way to provide returned location > information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or > similar form to the original input civic location, based on whether > valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the > message. This document defines a new extension > to the message within the LoST protocol > [RFC5222] that enables the LoST protocol to return in a response a > completed civic address element set for a valid location response, > and one or more suggested sets of similar location information for an > invalid location. These two types of civic addresses are referred to > as either "complete location" or "similar location", and are included > as a compilation of CAtype xml elements within the existing LoST > message structure. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location/ > > There is also an htmlized version available at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > --000000000000ee385c05ce1da7a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The minor edits I requested have been made in this version= .=C2=A0 I'm good with proceeding to approval.

Dwight= Purtle

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 6:30 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with Internet= Technologies WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= A LoST extension to return complete and similar location info
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Bria= n Rosen
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Roger Marshall
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jeff Martin
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 17
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2021-10-11

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within th= e
=C2=A0 =C2=A0<findServiceResponse> message.=C2=A0 This document defin= es a new extension
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to the <findServiceResponse> message within the LoST pro= tocol
=C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC5222] that enables the LoST protocol to return in a respon= se a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0completed civic address element set for a valid location respo= nse,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and one or more suggested sets of similar location information= for an
=C2=A0 =C2=A0invalid location.=C2=A0 These two types of civic addresses are= referred to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0as either "complete location" or "similar locat= ion", and are included
=C2=A0 =C2=A0as a compilation of CAtype xml elements within the existing Lo= ST
=C2=A0 =C2=A0<findServiceResponse> message structure.


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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/= draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location/

There is also an htmlized version available at:
https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/html/draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff= ?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ddti.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DM5PR1701MB1818.namprd17.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 3c498123-5009-4681-659c-08d98d9c592b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 12 Oct 2021 16:21:29.8927 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4c0f48ba-5f29-44b1-b29c-1aff8251101b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: Vnk62ujg5rO0J/17LLaJ4h6lsrmuyH7CilzPKgdUhXsFnhijdqvYsby1so74f1T7 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM6PR17MB2508 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 16:21:38 -0000 I am satisfied with the changes made in this version. There are a handful = of new editorial issues: Invalid Location and Valid Location definitions have a difference in wordin= g that I think is unintentional: Invalid Location: A Civic Location that, when included versus Valid Location: A Civic Location, when included I prefer the inclusion of 'that'. Both of these definitions are also missing a period at the end. In section 3, there is no such thing as "15th Ave North should be there is no such thing as "15th Avenue North" (expand Ave and add missing double quote) In the first paragraph of section 4, there appears to be an escaping issue: -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.or= g > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 7:30 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with Intern= et > Technologies WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : A LoST extension to return complete and similar= location info > Authors : Brian Rosen > Roger Marshall > Jeff Martin > Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt > Pages : 17 > Date : 2021-10-11 >=20 > Abstract: > This document introduces a new way to provide returned location > information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or > similar form to the original input civic location, based on whether > valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the > message. This document defines a new extension > to the message within the LoST protocol > [RFC5222] that enables the LoST protocol to return in a response a > completed civic address element set for a valid location response, > and one or more suggested sets of similar location information for an > invalid location. 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[2603:6010:ff12:8f00:1409:8e87:a39e:854d]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d23sm6878816qto.91.2021.10.12.13.52.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Oct 2021 13:52:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Smith" To: , References: <163399499255.30613.4589858999933752771@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 16:52:12 -0400 Message-ID: <00fb01d7bfab$08a08790$19e196b0$@equature.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGTeBHIFOWx9lvL9g0Lm0N3/GhBEQK07u18rEK1AAA= Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:52:21 -0000 I thought the use of "Ave" was the reason there was no such thing as "15th Ave North". Did I miss the point of the example? I would prefer that the examples follow the convention of separating the street address from the city with a comma, like "6000 15th Avenue North, Seattle, WA". It doesn't affect implementation of course, but "6000 15th Avenue, North Seattle, WA " is different from "6000 15th Avenue North, Seattle, WA". It's a very small nit, and up to the editor as far as I'm concerned. I also noticed the "gt;" issue but didn't see any others when I searched for it. I support advancing the document. It seems pretty clear to me. Michael Smith Chief Technologist, Equature/DSS Corp. Ph: 606.877.2788 | Mobile: 606.231.0243 -----Original Message----- From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Dan Banks Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 12:21 PM To: ecrit@ietf.org; i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt I am satisfied with the changes made in this version. There are a handful of new editorial issues: Invalid Location and Valid Location definitions have a difference in wording that I think is unintentional: Invalid Location: A Civic Location that, when included versus Valid Location: A Civic Location, when included I prefer the inclusion of 'that'. Both of these definitions are also missing a period at the end. In section 3, there is no such thing as "15th Ave North should be there is no such thing as "15th Avenue North" (expand Ave and add missing double quote) In the first paragraph of section 4, there appears to be an escaping issue: -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit On Behalf Of > internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 7:30 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with > Internet Technologies WG of the IETF. > > Title : A LoST extension to return complete and similar location info > Authors : Brian Rosen > Roger Marshall > Jeff Martin > Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt > Pages : 17 > Date : 2021-10-11 > > Abstract: > This document introduces a new way to provide returned location > information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or > similar form to the original input civic location, based on whether > valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the > message. This document defines a new extension > to the message within the LoST protocol > [RFC5222] that enables the LoST protocol to return in a response a > completed civic address element set for a valid location response, > and one or more suggested sets of similar location information for an > invalid location. These two types of civic addresses are referred to > as either "complete location" or "similar location", and are included > as a compilation of CAtype xml elements within the existing LoST > message structure. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdata > tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-ecrit-similar- > location%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks%40ddti.net%7C2677c3624c9b43 > ef4bf408d98d0f141a%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b29c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C6 > 37695918186302761%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMD > AiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata= > P3BH1wZSXLDkc8UrC7mVYLaNlTMWLj63lN4M9sivfa0%3D&reserved=0 > > There is also an htmlized version available at: > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdata > tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location- > 12&data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks%40ddti.net%7C2677c3624c9b43ef4bf408 > d98d0f141a%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b29c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C637695918 > 186302761%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIj > oiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=mPns%2 > BzOYeJw5Wv6ZksmQKvkQVy%2BooWwkpOX0jJOK9Rw%3D&reserved= > 0 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww > w.ietf.org%2Frfcdiff%3Furl2%3Ddraft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location- > 12&data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks%40ddti.net%7C2677c3624c9b43ef4bf408 > d98d0f141a%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b29c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C637695918 > 186302761%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIj > oiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=BQ1%2F > b3vGjlo4Oh80lx6xiKegu1FpzlWjsTb%2BCydveVI%3D&reserved=0 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=ftp%3A%2F%2Fftp.ie > tf > .org%2Finternet- > drafts%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks%40ddti.net%7C2677c3624c9b43e > f4bf408d98d0f141a%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b29c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C63 > 7695918186302761%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMD > AiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata= > 20pHDNNfNOyd1JvEeCtlhJz%2FT6VJzj3wN%2FKSSD8G63k%3D&reserve > d=0 > > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww > w.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fecrit&data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks% > 40ddti.net%7C2677c3624c9b43ef4bf408d98d0f141a%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b29 > c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C637695918186312756%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbG > Zsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6 > Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=fyo4rmGKcNdQUGrlrcucZBRYR8JBmvaQKB99 > XOeE7jI%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Ecrit mailing list Ecrit@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit From nobody Tue Oct 12 13:56:55 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66D33A08C5 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: comtechtel.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: CO6PR09MB7541.namprd09.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 3e493044-244f-4910-1e27-08d98dc2cb24 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 12 Oct 2021 20:56:41.7295 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: a9a26e69-6ae0-40c1-bd80-1ca6cc677828 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CO6PR09MB7911 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:56:53 -0000 Yes, Michael is correct. In this case, the intent of including "Ave" in th= e example was to point out that there would NOT be a match when compared to= what was inside the database, namely, "Avenue". -roger. -----Original Message----- From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Michael Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 1:52 PM To: ecrit@ietf.org; i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt WARNING: External Email: Exercise Caution I thought the use of "Ave" was the reason there was no such thing as "15th = Ave North". Did I miss the point of the example? I would prefer that the examples follow the convention of separating the st= reet address from the city with a comma, like "6000 15th Avenue North, Seat= tle, WA". It doesn't affect implementation of course, but "6000 15th Avenue= , North Seattle, WA " is different from "6000 15th Avenue North, Seattle, W= A". It's a very small nit, and up to the editor as far as I'm concerned. I also noticed the "gt;" issue but didn't see any others when I searched fo= r it. I support advancing the document. It seems pretty clear to me. Michael Smith Chief Technologist, Equature/DSS Corp. Ph: 606.877.2788 | Mobile: 606.231.0243 -----Original Message----- From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Dan Banks Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 12:21 PM To: ecrit@ietf.org; i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt I am satisfied with the changes made in this version. There are a handful = of new editorial issues: Invalid Location and Valid Location definitions have a difference in wordin= g that I think is unintentional: Invalid Location: A Civic Location that, when included versus Valid Location: A Civic Location, when included I prefer the inclusion of 'that'= . Both of these definitions are also missing a period at the end. In section 3, there is no such thing as "15th Ave North should be there is no such thing = as "15th Avenue North" (expand Ave and add missing double quote) In the first paragraph of section 4, there appears to be an escaping issue: -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit On Behalf Of > internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 7:30 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with > Internet Technologies WG of the IETF. > > Title : A LoST extension to return complete and similar location info > Authors : Brian Rosen > Roger Marshall > Jeff Martin > Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt > Pages : 17 > Date : 2021-10-11 > > Abstract: > This document introduces a new way to provide returned location > information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or > similar form to the original input civic location, based on whether > valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the > message. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ddti.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DM5PR1701MB1818.namprd17.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 4a50d702-f2bd-40ce-68bb-08d98dc65831 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 12 Oct 2021 21:22:07.1890 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4c0f48ba-5f29-44b1-b29c-1aff8251101b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 28yXsW3vW5s2XXe4+vGmKpt8DiOP1I4A9DFhZimuUZV0V14jKumIGPg3Gml2HhE4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM6PR17MB2905 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 21:22:15 -0000 We changed the input and the similar addresses in this example to all have = Avenue spelled out, and focused on the 'North' being the problem. Leaving = 'Ave' abbreviated would also be a perfectly reasonable example for an inval= id location, but I do not believe that was the intent with this example. The 'Ave' that I am pointing out is in the discussion and does not match th= e given input address, which I believe was an oversight during the last edi= t. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Roger Marshall > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 4:57 PM > To: Michael Smith ; ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt >=20 > Yes, Michael is correct. In this case, the intent of including "Ave" in = the > example was to point out that there would NOT be a match when compared > to what was inside the database, namely, "Avenue". >=20 > -roger. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Michael Smith > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 1:52 PM > To: ecrit@ietf.org; i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt >=20 >=20 > WARNING: External Email: Exercise Caution >=20 > I thought the use of "Ave" was the reason there was no such thing as "15t= h > Ave North". Did I miss the point of the example? >=20 > I would prefer that the examples follow the convention of separating the > street address from the city with a comma, like "6000 15th Avenue North, > Seattle, WA". It doesn't affect implementation of course, but "6000 15th > Avenue, North Seattle, WA " is different from "6000 15th Avenue North, > Seattle, WA". It's a very small nit, and up to the editor as far as I'm > concerned. >=20 > I also noticed the "gt;" issue but didn't see any others when I searched = for it. >=20 > I support advancing the document. It seems pretty clear to me. >=20 > Michael Smith > Chief Technologist, Equature/DSS Corp. > Ph: 606.877.2788 | Mobile: 606.231.0243 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Dan Banks > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 12:21 PM > To: ecrit@ietf.org; i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt >=20 > I am satisfied with the changes made in this version. There are a handfu= l of > new editorial issues: >=20 > Invalid Location and Valid Location definitions have a difference in word= ing > that I think is unintentional: > Invalid Location: A Civic Location that, when included versus Valid > Location: A Civic Location, when included I prefer the inclusion of 'tha= t'. > Both of these definitions are also missing a period at the end. >=20 > In section 3, > there is no such thing as "15th Ave North should be there is no such thin= g as > "15th Avenue North" > (expand Ave and add missing double quote) >=20 > In the first paragraph of section 4, there appears to be an escaping issu= e: > =20 > I still believe the document could be improved with a bit of reorganizati= on of > sections 3 and 4, but I support advancing the document without additional > changes if that is the consensus. >=20 > Dan Banks >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ecrit On Behalf Of > > internet-drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 7:30 PM > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org > > Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with > > Internet Technologies WG of the IETF. > > > > Title : A LoST extension to return complete and simil= ar > location info > > Authors : Brian Rosen > > Roger Marshall > > Jeff Martin > > Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt > > Pages : 17 > > Date : 2021-10-11 > > > > Abstract: > > This document introduces a new way to provide returned location > > information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or > > similar form to the original input civic location, based on whether > > valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the > > message. 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None of these suggested edits affects the functions described by the document. Page 5, first paragraph, twelfth line and following (in the sentence beginning with "On the other hand..."), change "whoose" to "whose", and change "past" to "passed". Page 5, first paragraph, last sentence, change "recieve" to "receive", and change "ChangSets" to "ChangeSets". Page 5, last paragraph, tenth line, change "non-mandatory-to use" to "non-mandatory-to-use". Page 7, Section 6, second line, change "exected" to "expected". Dwight Purtle On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 12:52 PM wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with > Internet Technologies WG of the IETF. > > Title : Validation of Locations Around a Planned Change > Author : Brian Rosen > Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05.txt > Pages : 21 > Date : 2021-10-11 > > Abstract: > This document defines an extension to the Location to Service > Translation (LoST) protocol (RFC5222) that allows planned changes to > the data to be handled smoothly. This extension is only useful with > the validation function of LoST. It is beneficial for LoST > validation clients to be aware of planned changes, as records that > previously were valid may become invalid at a known future date, and > new locations may become valid after the date. This extension adds > an element to the request: a date that allows the LoST > client to request that the server perform validation as of the date > specified. It adds an optional Time-To-Live element to the response, > which informs clients of the current expected lifetime of a > validation. It also adds a separate interface to the LoST server > that allows a client to poll for planned changes. Additionally, this > document provides a conventional XML schema for LoST, as a backwards > compatible alternative to the RelaxNG schema in RFC5222. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes/ > > There is also an htmlized version available at: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > --0000000000004a28f405ce2f8f35 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is a list of minor edits I suggest for the planned-ch= anges-05 draft.=C2=A0 None of these suggested=C2=A0edits affects the functi= ons described by the document.

Page 5, first paragraph, = twelfth line and following (in the sentence beginning with "On the oth= er hand..."), change "whoose" to "whose", and chan= ge "past" to "passed".

Page 5,= first paragraph, last sentence, change "recieve" to "receiv= e", and change "ChangSets" to "ChangeSets".
<= div>
Page 5, last paragraph, tenth line, change "non-man= datory-to use" to "non-mandatory-to-use".

Page 7, Section 6, second line, change "exected" to "= expected".

Dwight Purtle

On Mon, Oct 11,= 2021 at 12:52 PM <internet-= drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with Internet= Technologies WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Validation of Locations Around a Planned Change
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Author=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Bria= n Rosen
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 21
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2021-10-11

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines an extension to the Location to Service<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Translation (LoST) protocol (RFC5222) that allows planned chan= ges to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the data to be handled smoothly.=C2=A0 This extension is only = useful with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the validation function of LoST.=C2=A0 It is beneficial for Lo= ST
=C2=A0 =C2=A0validation clients to be aware of planned changes, as records = that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0previously were valid may become invalid at a known future dat= e, and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0new locations may become valid after the date.=C2=A0 This exte= nsion adds
=C2=A0 =C2=A0an element to the <findService> request: a date that all= ows the LoST
=C2=A0 =C2=A0client to request that the server perform validation as of the= date
=C2=A0 =C2=A0specified.=C2=A0 It adds an optional Time-To-Live element to t= he response,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0which informs clients of the current expected lifetime of a =C2=A0 =C2=A0validation.=C2=A0 It also adds a separate interface to the LoS= T server
=C2=A0 =C2=A0that allows a client to poll for planned changes.=C2=A0 Additi= onally, this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0document provides a conventional XML schema for LoST, as a bac= kwards
=C2=A0 =C2=A0compatible alternative to the RelaxNG schema in RFC5222.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes/

There is also an htmlized version available at:
https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc= diff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05


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Invalid Location: A Civic Location that, when included in a LoST query with 'validateLocation' set, will receive a response having one or more Civic Address Elements in the list. Note that It is also possible... 'It' should be lower case. I approve this draft version. Thank you, Victor NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This email, including attachments, may contain informa= tion which is confidential, proprietary, attorney-client privileged and / o= r controlled under U.S. export laws and regulations and may be restricted f= rom disclosure by applicable State and Federal law. Nothing in this email s= hall create any legal binding agreement between the parties unless expressl= y stated herein and provided by an authorized representative of Comtech Tel= ecommunications Corp. or its subsidiaries. If you are not the intended reci= pient of this message, be advised that any dissemination, distribution, or = use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. 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From nobody Tue Oct 26 13:58:25 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF933A18B5 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:58:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o1N1ZKjH6kk2 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66813A17DC for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [169.254.124.168] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:58:21 -0700 From: "Randall Gellens" To: ecrit@ietf.org Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:58:04 -0700 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.2r5673) Message-ID: <754AE54B-23BB-4FF4-A364-3A9EF5FD0F32@randy.pensive.org> In-Reply-To: <163399499255.30613.4589858999933752771@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <163399499255.30613.4589858999933752771@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:58:24 -0000 I apologize for the delay. I've finished a thorough read-through of the latest draft and have the following change notes: (1) In the definition of 'Invalid Location', the fourth line starts with "that It is". The word "it" should not be capitalized. (2) Section 3, first paragraph, consider changing "As of this document" to "As of this document's publication". (3) Same paragraph, consider changing "describes the returned location extension primarily in terms of how it is used with the" to "describes the extension using the". (4) Section 3, third paragraph starting "In a LoST findServiceResponse", I suggest enclosing "findServiceResponse" in angle brackets. (5) Same paragraph, I think it would be more clear to change "a " to "the " because otherwise it sounds like an additional might be included. (6) Same paragraph, I find the text describing the example confusing. Maybe I'm misreading it, but it seems to starts out describing an example where is needed, but then it says that other entities might want and . If I'm reading it correctly, it seems to be describing two examples, one where the address is only borderline valid but still sufficient to be uniquely identified, and another where an address is more clearly valid but missing two elements that should be there for completeness. I suggest breaking this into two examples and also rewording the material as follows: Change: As an example, the query might contain (house number), (road name) (city), (state/province) and a few more CAtype elements, but might not contain (Post-Directional) or (Postal Code) CAtype elements. In this example, there is no street with just the streetname, all streets have a post-directional. The civic location in the request might contain , , , and Civic Address Elements that are sufficient enough for the LoST server to uniquely locate the address specified in the request and thus be considered Valid, meaning there was only one street with the house street name and house number in the city that it could be. Yet, other entities involved in a subsequent emergency call might find it helpful to have additional Civic Address Elements such as (county) and (Postal Code) included as part of a complete civic location. To: As an example, a query contains (house number), (road name) (city), (state/province) but not (Post-Directional). In this example, there is no street with just the street name, all streets have a post-directional. However, the LoST server is able to uniquely locate the intended address and thus consider the queried location Valid, as there is only one street with the street name and house number in the city that it could be. As the queried location is missing the post-directional element, a more strict entity might consider it Invalid (e.g., during a subsequent query) or worse, the lack of a Post-Directional element might cause confusion and delay an emergency response. The server can use this extension to supply the missing post-directional element in a element within the element. In another example, the civic location in a request might lack (county) and (Postal Code) Civic Address Elements. In this example, too, the LoST server is able uniquely locate the intended address and consider the location , but other entities involved in a subsequent emergency call might find it helpful to have the additional Civic Address Elements. The LoST server can use this extension to supply the missing and Civic Address Elements. (7) Section 3, fifth paragraph, there is an example addresses shown in colloquial form (not in Civic Address elements). I suggest adding a comma before the city. Change: Input address: 6000 15th Avenue Seattle, WA US Complete Location: 6000 15th Avenue Northwest Seattle, WA 98105 US To: Input address: 6000 15th Avenue, Seattle, WA US Complete Location: 6000 15th Avenue Northwest, Seattle, WA 98105 US (8) In Section 3, eight paragraph, second line, starting with "request contains Invalid Location", should this be "an Invalid Location"? (9) Following paragraph, third line, I suggest changing "was sufficient" to "is sufficient". (10) Following line, I suggest changing "In that case" to "in this case" and change "would be listed" to "is listed". (11) Same text, should "just as in the above example" be changed to "just as in the above example the missing element is included in a element"? (12) Following paragraph, consider rewording the run-on sentence that starts the paragraph. Change: As another example of the use of , consider the results based on a similar data set as used above, where the , , , , and Civic Address Elements are not sufficient to locate a unique address, which leads to an invalid location result because the LoST server contains additional civic address elements which would have resulted in a uniquely identifiable location if these additional elements had been included in the location sent in the query. To: As another example of the use of , consider the results based on a similar data set as used above, but where the , , , , and Civic Address Elements are not sufficient to locate a unique address, resulting an invalid location response. Because the LoST server contains additional civic address elements which, had they been included in the query, would have resulted in a uniquely identifiable location, the server can include one or more elements containing the supplied Civic Address Elements plus the omitted ones. (13) Same paragraph, near the end, I suggest deleting "message" from "the message". (14) Following paragraph, I suggest enclosing "findService" in angle brackets in "findService request:". (15) In the following paragraph (the 13th, I think) I suggest adding a comma after the street Post-Directional in the colloquial form example addresses. Change: Input address: 6000 15th Avenue North Seattle, WA US To: Input address: 6000 15th Avenue North, Seattle, WA US (15) Same section, 15th and 16th paragraphs, I suggest adding a comma after the street Post-Directional in the colloquial form example addresses (as above). Change: Similar address #1: 6000 15th Avenue Northwest Seattle, WA 98107 US Similar address #2: 6000 15th Avenue Northeast Seattle, WA 98105 US To: Similar address #1: 6000 15th Avenue Northwest, Seattle, WA 98107 US Similar address #2: 6000 15th Avenue Northeast, Seattle, WA 98105 US (16) In the first paragraph of Section 4, there's a typo where " and elements "contain location information in the same profile of the location used to answer the query." Isn't 'profile' an attribute of both elements, and shouldn't the text say that the 'profile' attribute must be set to the same value as the profile of the queried location, or, to be more similar to how RFC 5222 treats , if one or more or elements are included in the response, at least one must be use the same profile as the request (which would allow a server to include, e.g., two elements, one in the profile of the request and one in a different profile (if/when additional civic profiles are defined)? Change: The and elements are of type "locationInformation" as defined by the LoST schema in [RFC5222], and contain location information in the same profile of the location used to answer the query. These elements MAY contain location information either in the Basic Civic profile defined in RFC5222 or in another profile derived from the Basic Civic profile whose definition provides instructions concerning its use with this extension. When used with the Basic Civic profile, these elements contain a and elements are of type "locationInformation" as defined by the LoST schema in [RFC5222]. These elements MAY contain location information either in the Basic Civic profile defined in RFC5222 or in another profile derived from the Basic Civic profile whose definition provides instructions concerning its use with this extension, but this MUST be the same profile as the location in the query. When used with the Basic Civic profile, these elements contain a element as defined in [RFC5139]. Or: The and elements are of type "locationInformation" as defined by the LoST schema in [RFC5222]. These elements MAY contain location information either in the Basic Civic profile defined in [RFC5222] or in another profile derived from the Basic Civic profile whose definition provides instructions concerning its use with this extension. A response MAY include more than one or elements containing the same address expressed using different profiles, but at least one MUST use the same profile as the request. When used with the Basic Civic profile, these elements contain a element as defined in [RFC5139]. (18) If we go with the second option of (17), to explicitly allow multiple or elements that express the same location in different profiles, for clarity we should change the second paragraph of Section 4: Change: more than one element To: more than one element expressing different locations (19) If we go with the second option of (17), to explicitly allow multiple or elements that express the same location in different profiles, for clarity we should change the third paragraph of Section 4: Change: MAY include a element To: MAY include a element (or multiple elements containing the same location using different profiles) (20) In the last paragraph of Section 4, I suggest rewording the text to avoid any confusion over possible future profiles (since the document says earlier that profiles other than 'civic' in RFC 5222 may be defined that specify how they are used with this extension). Change: in a profile derived from the 'civic' profile To: in a profile other than the 'civic' profile (21) I suggest changing the name of Section 5.1 for clarity, either keep "response" and change "for" to "in", or delete "response": Change: Complete Location returned for Valid Location response To either: Complete Location returned in Valid Location response Or: Complete Location returned for Valid Location (Personally, I think the latter reads slightly better.) (22) In the first paragraph of Section 5.1, I suggest rewording for easier reading: Change: Based on the example input request above, Returned Location Information is provided in a message since the original input address is considered valid but is missing some additional data that the LoST server has. To: This example is based on the example request above; the LoST server considered the location in the query to be valid but missing some Civic Address elements, so in the Returned Location Information in the , the server includes a element supplying the omitted Civic Address elements , , and . (23) (21) I suggest changing the name of Section 5.2 for clarity, as with 5.1, by either keeping "response" and changing "for" to "in", or deleting "response": Change: Similar Location returned for Invalid Location response To either: Similar Location returned in Invalid Location response Or: Similar Location returned for Invalid Location (Personally, I think the latter reads slightly better.) (24) In the first paragraph of Section 5.2, I suggest slight rewording: Change: two returned Similar Locations in a to: two Similar Locations returned in a --Randall From nobody Tue Oct 26 14:23:00 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99083A1A81 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 14:22:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comtechtel.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zaxs7lwDF1-7 for ; 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Planned Change Poll Interface ... The client would poll omitting the changeSetId in the poll query, and i= t response, the server returns all the ChangeSets it knows about. ... Should it be? ... The client would poll omitting the changeSetId in the poll query, and i= n the response, the server returns all the ChangeSets it knows about. ... whoose TO whose 6. Replacement XML schema exected TO expected Curiosity Question: Should draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05 include a reference to draf= t-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12 or vice versa? Is it necessary to acknowle= dge because I'm assuming, that it is allowed for a request fo= r validation to include the parameters for date for the server to perform r= evalidation, as well for "complete location" and/or "similar location" to b= e include in the response. 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Curiosity Question:
Should draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05 include a reference t=
o draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12 or vice versa? Is it necessary to ac=
knowledge because I’m assuming, that it is allowed for a <findServ=
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erver to perform revalidation, as well for “complete location” =
and/or “similar location” to be include in the <findService&=
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Thanks,
Victor
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In this case, the intent of including "Ave" >> in the >> example was to point out that there would NOT be a match when >> compared >> to what was inside the database, namely, "Avenue". >> >> -roger. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Michael Smith >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 1:52 PM >> To: ecrit@ietf.org; i-d-announce@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: >> draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt >> >> >> WARNING: External Email: Exercise Caution >> >> I thought the use of "Ave" was the reason there was no such thing as >> "15th >> Ave North". Did I miss the point of the example? >> >> I would prefer that the examples follow the convention of separating >> the >> street address from the city with a comma, like "6000 15th Avenue >> North, >> Seattle, WA". It doesn't affect implementation of course, but "6000 >> 15th >> Avenue, North Seattle, WA " is different from "6000 15th Avenue >> North, >> Seattle, WA". It's a very small nit, and up to the editor as far as >> I'm >> concerned. >> >> I also noticed the "gt;" issue but didn't see any others when I >> searched for it. >> >> I support advancing the document. It seems pretty clear to me. >> >> Michael Smith >> Chief Technologist, Equature/DSS Corp. >> Ph: 606.877.2788 | Mobile: 606.231.0243 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Dan Banks >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 12:21 PM >> To: ecrit@ietf.org; i-d-announce@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: >> draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt >> >> I am satisfied with the changes made in this version. There are a >> handful of >> new editorial issues: >> >> Invalid Location and Valid Location definitions have a difference in >> wording >> that I think is unintentional: >> Invalid Location: A Civic Location that, when included versus Valid >> Location: A Civic Location, when included I prefer the inclusion of >> 'that'. >> Both of these definitions are also missing a period at the end. >> >> In section 3, >> there is no such thing as "15th Ave North should be there is no such >> thing as >> "15th Avenue North" >> (expand Ave and add missing double quote) >> >> In the first paragraph of section 4, there appears to be an escaping >> issue: >> > >> I still believe the document could be improved with a bit of >> reorganization of >> sections 3 and 4, but I support advancing the document without >> additional >> changes if that is the consensus. >> >> Dan Banks >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ecrit On Behalf Of >>> internet-drafts@ietf.org >>> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 7:30 PM >>> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >>> Cc: ecrit@ietf.org >>> Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: >>> draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt >>> >>> >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >>> This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with >>> Internet Technologies WG of the IETF. >>> >>> Title : A LoST extension to return complete and >>> similar >> location info >>> Authors : Brian Rosen >>> Roger Marshall >>> Jeff Martin >>> Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt >>> Pages : 17 >>> Date : 2021-10-11 >>> >>> Abstract: >>> This document introduces a new way to provide returned location >>> information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or >>> similar form to the original input civic location, based on >>> whether >>> valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the >>> message. This document defines a new >> extension >>> to the message within the LoST protocol >>> [RFC5222] that enables the LoST protocol to return in a response >>> a >>> completed civic address element set for a valid location >>> response, >>> and one or more suggested sets of similar location information >>> for an >>> invalid location. These two types of civic addresses are >>> referred to >>> as either "complete location" or "similar location", and are >>> included >>> as a compilation of CAtype xml elements within the existing LoST >>> message structure. >>> >>> >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>> >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgcc0 >>> >> 2.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fn >> am1 >>> >> &data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks%40ddti.net%7C920e7e0062ad4cbfc3aa08d9 >> 8dc2d4 >>> >> 77%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b29c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C1%7C63769669020573536 >> 1%7CU >>> >> nknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI >> 6Ik1ha >>> >> WwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=PHPHapI8hVqzMmKwVn9FZI4z >> %2FPCnH4y%2 >>> BN8A%2BGMZRoLM%3D&reserved=0 >>> >> 2.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fd >> ata >>> >> &data=04%7C01%7Croger.marshall%40comtechtel.com%7C294c1dfd656 >> 34249 >>> >> 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Regarding the suggestion to reorganize the text, Dan, do you have specific suggestions (e.g., move paragraphs x-y of Section 3 to follow Paragraph z of Section 4)? --Randall On 12 Oct 2021, at 9:21, Dan Banks wrote: > I am satisfied with the changes made in this version. There are a > handful of new editorial issues: > > Invalid Location and Valid Location definitions have a difference in > wording that I think is unintentional: > Invalid Location: A Civic Location that, when included > versus > Valid Location: A Civic Location, when included > I prefer the inclusion of 'that'. > Both of these definitions are also missing a period at the end. > > In section 3, > there is no such thing as "15th Ave North > should be > there is no such thing as "15th Avenue North" > (expand Ave and add missing double quote) > > In the first paragraph of section 4, there appears to be an escaping > issue: > > I still believe the document could be improved with a bit of > reorganization of sections 3 and 4, but I support advancing the > document without additional changes if that is the consensus. > > Dan Banks > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ecrit On Behalf Of >> internet-drafts@ietf.org >> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 7:30 PM >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> Cc: ecrit@ietf.org >> Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with >> Internet >> Technologies WG of the IETF. >> >> Title : A LoST extension to return complete and >> similar location info >> Authors : Brian Rosen >> Roger Marshall >> Jeff Martin >> Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt >> Pages : 17 >> Date : 2021-10-11 >> >> Abstract: >> This document introduces a new way to provide returned location >> information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or >> similar form to the original input civic location, based on >> whether >> valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the >> message. This document defines a new >> extension >> to the message within the LoST protocol >> [RFC5222] that enables the LoST protocol to return in a response a >> completed civic address element set for a valid location response, >> and one or more suggested sets of similar location information for >> an >> invalid location. These two types of civic addresses are referred >> to >> as either "complete location" or "similar location", and are >> included >> as a compilation of CAtype xml elements within the existing LoST >> message structure. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdata >> tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-ecrit-similar- >> location%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks%40ddti.net%7C2677c3624c9b43 >> ef4bf408d98d0f141a%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b29c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C6 >> 37695918186302761%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMD >> AiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata= >> P3BH1wZSXLDkc8UrC7mVYLaNlTMWLj63lN4M9sivfa0%3D&reserved=0 >> >> There is also an htmlized version available at: >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdata >> tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location- >> 12&data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks%40ddti.net%7C2677c3624c9b43ef4bf408 >> d98d0f141a%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b29c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C637695918 >> 186302761%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIj >> oiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=mPns%2 >> BzOYeJw5Wv6ZksmQKvkQVy%2BooWwkpOX0jJOK9Rw%3D&reserved= >> 0 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww >> w.ietf.org%2Frfcdiff%3Furl2%3Ddraft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location- >> 12&data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks%40ddti.net%7C2677c3624c9b43ef4bf408 >> d98d0f141a%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b29c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C637695918 >> 186302761%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIj >> oiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=BQ1%2F >> b3vGjlo4Oh80lx6xiKegu1FpzlWjsTb%2BCydveVI%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=ftp%3A%2F%2Fftp.ietf >> .org%2Finternet- >> drafts%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks%40ddti.net%7C2677c3624c9b43e >> f4bf408d98d0f141a%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b29c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C63 >> 7695918186302761%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMD >> AiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata= >> 20pHDNNfNOyd1JvEeCtlhJz%2FT6VJzj3wN%2FKSSD8G63k%3D&reserve >> d=0 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ecrit mailing list >> Ecrit@ietf.org >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww >> w.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fecrit&data=04%7C01%7Cdbanks% >> 40ddti.net%7C2677c3624c9b43ef4bf408d98d0f141a%7C4c0f48ba5f2944b1b29 >> c1aff8251101b%7C0%7C0%7C637695918186312756%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbG >> Zsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6 >> Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=fyo4rmGKcNdQUGrlrcucZBRYR8JBmvaQKB99 >> XOeE7jI%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit From nobody Tue Oct 26 17:40:46 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3101C3A1964 for ; 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[24.154.121.237]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w7sm10344351ilu.35.2021.10.26.17.40.38 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Rosen Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_12A2CB73-C485-4D52-9A6A-4459E13FF123" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:40:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" To: Victor Burton References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 00:40:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_12A2CB73-C485-4D52-9A6A-4459E13FF123 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Yah. Typos, and I will fix them. =20 It=E2=80=99s certainly possible to use any combination of extensions. = They are independent though, and I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s = necessary or even wise to link them. Brian > On Oct 26, 2021, at 5:20 PM, Victor Burton = wrote: >=20 > 3. Planned Change Poll Interface > =20 > =E2=80=A6 The client would poll omitting the changeSetId in the poll = query, and it response, the > server returns all the ChangeSets it knows about. =E2=80=A6 >=20 > Should it be? > =E2=80=A6 The client would poll omitting the changeSetId in the poll = query, and in the response, the > server returns all the ChangeSets it knows about. =E2=80=A6 >=20 > whoose TO whose > =20 > 6. Replacement XML schema=20 > =20 > exected TO expected > =20 > =20 > Curiosity Question: > Should draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05 include a reference to = draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12 or vice versa? Is it necessary to = acknowledge because I=E2=80=99m assuming, that it is allowed for a = request for validation to include the parameters for date = for the server to perform revalidation, as well for =E2=80=9Ccomplete = location=E2=80=9D and/or =E2=80=9Csimilar location=E2=80=9D to be = include in the response. > =20 > Thanks, > Victor > NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This email, including attachments, may contain = information which is confidential, proprietary, attorney-client = privileged and / or controlled under U.S. export laws and regulations = and may be restricted from disclosure by applicable State and Federal = law. Nothing in this email shall create any legal binding agreement = between the parties unless expressly stated herein and provided by an = authorized representative of Comtech Telecommunications Corp. or its = subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be = advised that any dissemination, distribution, or use of the contents of = this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this message in = error, please notify us immediately by return email and permanently = delete all copies of the original email and any attached documentation = from any computer or other media. = _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit = --Apple-Mail=_12A2CB73-C485-4D52-9A6A-4459E13FF123 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Yah. = Typos, and I will fix them.  
It=E2=80=99s certainly = possible to use any combination of extensions.  They are = independent though, and I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s necessary or = even wise to link them.

Brian

On Oct 26, 2021, at 5:20 PM, = Victor Burton <Victor.Burton@comtechtel.com> wrote:

3. Planned Change Poll Interface
 
=E2=80=A6 The client would poll omitting the changeSetId in =
the poll query, and it response, the

   server returns all the ChangeSets it knows = about. =E2=80=A6

Should it be?
=E2=80=A6 =
The client would =
poll omitting the changeSetId in the poll query, and in the response, =
the

   server = returns all the ChangeSets it knows about. =E2=80=A6

whoose TO whose
 
6. Replacement XML = schema 
 
exected TO expected
 
 
Curiosity Question:
Should =
draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05 include a reference to =
draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12 or vice versa? Is it necessary to =
acknowledge because I=E2=80=99m assuming, that it is allowed for a =
<findService> request for validation to include the parameters for =
date for the server to perform revalidation, as well for =E2=80=9Ccomplete=
 location=E2=80=9D and/or =E2=80=9Csimilar location=E2=80=9D to be =
include in the <findService> response.
 
Thanks,
Victor
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[24.154.121.237]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i1sm1557795iov.10.2021.10.28.06.11.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Oct 2021 06:11:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Rosen Message-Id: <91453153-AFF5-4D83-A06F-B922C448A21B@brianrosen.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7D36FC13-3981-4E45-86AA-9F975FC5603F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 09:11:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: Victor Burton , "ecrit@ietf.org" To: Brandon Abley References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 13:11:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7D36FC13-3981-4E45-86AA-9F975FC5603F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ll fix the simple stuff. Yes, polling theoretically has scaling issues. Like any HTTP interface, = it can be DDoSed. I think the advocates of polling aren=E2=80=99t = realizing how big of a load it will be. I=E2=80=99m guessing the number = of LIS=E2=80=99s polling will end up being hundreds of thousands because = I suspect every enterprise with any facility in the state will attempt = to keep its data accurate. It may be that intermediaries continue to = make money providing services that don=E2=80=99t need intermediaries, = but I suspect that won=E2=80=99t be the case long term. But, still, a = few hundred thousand queries every few minutes is, oh, one virtual = server, or less. And if there were ever a service designed to be in = some AWS like, autoscaled environment, it would be this one. So, meh. Brian > On Oct 27, 2021, at 7:09 PM, Brandon Abley wrote: >=20 > I gave this a good read today. Some notes=E2=80=94 > =20 > Throughout, changeSet should be camel case? It is an object and not a = method or class. The OpenAPI markup is inconsistent with this also. > Section 3: The text says =E2=80=9Cversions=E2=80=9D is two integers = separated by a period. But in OpenAPI it is an object with two integers. = The text implies it is a string with a specific format. > =20 > I know this is re-litigating mostly settled stuff, but polling has = scalability issues? I know that there is a relatively small amount of = traffic since there is just polling to see if there have been changes, = but in the future of the global community of LoST servers for emergency = services there is I feel like there is an open potential vulnerability = to poll the PlannedChangePoll interface to death, such as with malicious = use of changeSetIds. Though in the emergency services space we do have = things like a PKI to mitigate this and the RFC notes this as well as = other security implications. I would really prefer a push mechanism, but = for reasons already discussed, I can stand by the RFC as currently = drafted with the polling interface. > =20 > Assuming correction of typos and other stylistic things as noted in = the email thread, I support advancing this RFC. > =20 > Brandon Abley > Director of Technology > NENA: The 9-1-1 Association > babley@nena.org > m: +1.202.618.4401 > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: Ecrit On Behalf Of Brian Rosen > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 5:41 PM > To: Victor Burton > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05 > =20 > Yah. Typos, and I will fix them. =20 > It=E2=80=99s certainly possible to use any combination of extensions. = They are independent though, and I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s = necessary or even wise to link them. > =20 > Brian >=20 >=20 > On Oct 26, 2021, at 5:20 PM, Victor Burton = > = wrote: > =20 > 3. Planned Change Poll Interface > =20 > =E2=80=A6 The client would poll omitting the changeSetId in the poll = query, and it response, the > server returns all the ChangeSets it knows about. =E2=80=A6 >=20 > Should it be? > =E2=80=A6 The client would poll omitting the changeSetId in the poll = query, and in the response, the > server returns all the ChangeSets it knows about. =E2=80=A6 >=20 > whoose TO whose > =20 > 6. Replacement XML schema=20 > =20 > exected TO expected > =20 > =20 > Curiosity Question: > Should draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05 include a reference to = draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12 or vice versa? Is it necessary to = acknowledge because I=E2=80=99m assuming, that it is allowed for a = request for validation to include the parameters for date = for the server to perform revalidation, as well for =E2=80=9Ccomplete = location=E2=80=9D and/or =E2=80=9Csimilar location=E2=80=9D to be = include in the response. > =20 > Thanks, > Victor > NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This email, including attachments, may contain = information which is confidential, proprietary, attorney-client = privileged and / or controlled under U.S. export laws and regulations = and may be restricted from disclosure by applicable State and Federal = law. Nothing in this email shall create any legal binding agreement = between the parties unless expressly stated herein and provided by an = authorized representative of Comtech Telecommunications Corp. or its = subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be = advised that any dissemination, distribution, or use of the contents of = this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this message in = error, please notify us immediately by return email and permanently = delete all copies of the original email and any attached documentation = from any computer or other media. = _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit = --Apple-Mail=_7D36FC13-3981-4E45-86AA-9F975FC5603F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ll fix the simple stuff.

Yes, polling theoretically has scaling = issues.  Like any HTTP interface, it can be DDoSed.  I think = the advocates of polling aren=E2=80=99t realizing how big of a load it = will be.  I=E2=80=99m guessing the number of LIS=E2=80=99s polling = will end up being hundreds of thousands because I suspect every = enterprise with any facility in the state will attempt to keep its data = accurate.  It may be that intermediaries continue to make money = providing services that don=E2=80=99t need intermediaries, but I suspect = that won=E2=80=99t be the case long term.  But, still, a few = hundred thousand queries every few minutes is, oh, one virtual server, = or less.  And if there were ever a service designed to be in some = AWS like, autoscaled environment, it would be this one. So, = meh.

Brian


On Oct = 27, 2021, at 7:09 PM, Brandon Abley <babley@nena.org> wrote:

I gave this a good read today. Some notes=E2=80=94=
 
  • Throughout, changeSet should be camel case? It is an object = and not a method or class. The OpenAPI markup is inconsistent with this = also.
  • Section 3: The text says =E2=80=9Cversions=E2=80=9D is two = integers separated by a period. But in OpenAPI it is an object with two = integers. The text implies it is a string with a specific format.
 
I know this is = re-litigating mostly settled stuff, but polling has scalability issues? = I know that there is a relatively small amount of traffic since there is = just polling to see if there have been changes, but in the future of the = global community of LoST servers for emergency services there is I feel = like there is an open potential vulnerability to poll the = PlannedChangePoll interface to death, such as with malicious use of = changeSetIds. Though in the emergency services space we do have things = like a PKI to mitigate this and the RFC notes this as well as other = security implications. I would really prefer a push mechanism, but for = reasons already discussed, I can stand by the RFC as currently drafted = with the polling interface.
 
Assuming correction of typos and other stylistic = things as noted in the email thread, I support advancing this RFC.
 
Brandon Abley
Director of Technology
NENA: The 9-1-1 = Association
babley@nena.orgm: +1.202.618.4401
 
 
 
From: Ecrit <ecrit-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf = Of Brian Rosen
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 = 5:41 PM
To: Victor Burton <Victor.Burton@comtechtel.com>
Cc: ecrit@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ecrit] = draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05
 
Yah. Typos, and I will fix = them.  
It=E2=80=99s certainly possible to use any = combination of extensions.  They are independent though, and I = don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s necessary or even wise to link = them.
 
Brian


On = Oct 26, 2021, at 5:20 PM, Victor Burton <Victor.Burton@comtechtel.com> wrote:
 
3. Planned Change Poll Interface
 
=E2=80=A6 The client would poll omitting =
the changeSetId in the poll query, and it response, the

   server returns all the ChangeSets it knows = about. =E2=80=A6

Should it be?
=E2=80=A6 The client would poll omitting =
the changeSetId in the poll query, and in the response, the

   server returns all the ChangeSets it knows = about. =E2=80=A6

whoose TO whose
 
6. = Replacement XML schema 
 
exected = TO expected
 
 
Curiosity Question:
Should =
draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-05 include a reference to =
draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12 or vice versa? Is it necessary to =
acknowledge because I=E2=80=99m assuming, that it is allowed for a =
<findService> request for validation to include the parameters for =
date for the server to perform revalidation, as well for =E2=80=9Ccomplete=
 location=E2=80=9D and/or =E2=80=9Csimilar location=E2=80=9D to be =
include in the <findService> response.
 
Thanks,
Victor
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Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:43:31 +0000 From: Dan Banks To: Randall Gellens CC: "ecrit@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt Thread-Index: AQHXvvfzTfm6xplFbESi++ZY5Nt84qvPiKKggBZjm4CAAsmaQA== Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:43:31 +0000 Message-ID: References: <163399499255.30613.4589858999933752771@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: randy.pensive.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; randy.pensive.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=ddti.net; x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: ba91b21e-4aee-4880-5ca0-08d99a321346 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: DM6PR17MB4043: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:10000; x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-ms-exchange-antispam-relay: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ddti.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DM5PR1701MB1818.namprd17.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: ba91b21e-4aee-4880-5ca0-08d99a321346 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 28 Oct 2021 16:43:31.1316 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4c0f48ba-5f29-44b1-b29c-1aff8251101b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: JjBJCu/yxj97q60CvtDUn8gOgzmXE9O9tFhKAuXkDPpyzDzoBJozoRBpn/jkd2px X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM6PR17MB4043 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:43:43 -0000 I do not have specific recommendations for reorganizing. I do think it wou= ld be better if the overview was more of an overview (i.e., shorter than a = full description which would presumably follow). I also just noticed that the last paragraph of section 3 states "The next s= ection shows examples", but those examples do not appear until section 5. = We should probably fix that to say "Section 5 shows examples". Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall Gellens > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 6:02 PM > To: Dan Banks > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org; i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt >=20 > I support Dan's suggested edits. Regarding the suggestion to reorganize = the > text, Dan, do you have specific suggestions (e.g., move paragraphs x-y of > Section 3 to follow Paragraph z of Section 4)? >=20 > --Randall >=20 > On 12 Oct 2021, at 9:21, Dan Banks wrote: >=20 > > I am satisfied with the changes made in this version. There are a > > handful of new editorial issues: > > > > Invalid Location and Valid Location definitions have a difference in > > wording that I think is unintentional: > > Invalid Location: A Civic Location that, when included versus Valid > > Location: A Civic Location, when included I prefer the inclusion of > > 'that'. > > Both of these definitions are also missing a period at the end. > > > > In section 3, > > there is no such thing as "15th Ave North should be there is no such > > thing as "15th Avenue North" > > (expand Ave and add missing double quote) > > > > In the first paragraph of section 4, there appears to be an escaping > > issue: > > > > > I still believe the document could be improved with a bit of > > reorganization of sections 3 and 4, but I support advancing the > > document without additional changes if that is the consensus. > > > > Dan Banks > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ecrit On Behalf Of > >> internet-drafts@ietf.org > >> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 7:30 PM > >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > >> Cc: ecrit@ietf.org > >> Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt > >> > >> > >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > >> directories. > >> This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with > >> Internet Technologies WG of the IETF. > >> > >> Title : A LoST extension to return complete and > >> similar location info > >> Authors : Brian Rosen > >> Roger Marshall > >> Jeff Martin > >> Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-12.txt > >> Pages : 17 > >> Date : 2021-10-11 > >> > >> Abstract: > >> This document introduces a new way to provide returned location > >> information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or > >> similar form to the original input civic location, based on > >> whether > >> valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the > >> message. 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