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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies WG of the IETF.

        Title           : A LoST extension to return complete and similar location info
        Authors         : Brian Rosen
                          Roger Marshall
                          Jeff Martin
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-13.txt
	Pages           : 17
	Date            : 2021-11-23

Abstract:
   This document introduces a new way to provide returned location
   information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or
   similar form to the original input civic location, based on whether
   valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the
   <findServiceResponse> message.  This document defines a new extension
   to the <findServiceResponse> message within the LoST protocol
   [RFC5222] that enables the LoST protocol to return in a response a
   completed civic address element set for a valid location response,
   and one or more suggested sets of similar location information for an
   invalid location.  These two types of civic addresses are referred to
   as either "complete location" or "similar location", and are included
   as a compilation of CAtype xml elements within the existing LoST
   <findServiceResponse> message structure.


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(1) This wouldn't be worth a revision by itself, but I think we need a 
rev for item (2) so we may as well fix this also: In Section 3, the 
sixth paragraph starts "Since [RFC5222] currently does not have a way". 
The "currently" is awkward since an RFC is immutable. Consider rewording 
by either dropping the "currently" (making the text "Since [RFC5222] 
does not have a way") or changing "[RFC5222]" to "LoST" (making the text 
"Since LoST currently does not have a way").

(2) I think this should be fixed before we go to IETF Last Call: There 
are a few examples in Section 3 that were the focus of emails from 
several people requesting a comma before the city name. These examples 
have been changed to use a fictitious city but is still lack the comma. 
I think these should be fixed before IETF LC since this is a point of 
confusion. The text in question:

    Input address: 6000 15th Avenue Leets, WA US

    Complete Location: 6000 15th Avenue Northwest Leets, WA 98105 US

...

    Input address: 6000 15th Avenue North Leets, WA US

...

    Similar address #1: 6000 15th Avenue Northwest Leets, WA 98107 US

    Similar address #2: 6000 15th Avenue Northeast Leets, WA 98105 US

These should all have a comma inserted before "Leets".


(3) Since I think we have to fix (2), we may as well fix this also: In 
the 7th line of the paragraph with first line:

    As another example of the use of <similarLocation>, consider the

There is a  missing space after a comma in the 13th paragraph of Section 
3:

    have resulted in a uniquely identifiable location,the server can

(4) Same as item (1), the "[RFC5222] currently" wording appears in the 
10th line of the paragraph starting:

    As another example of the use of <similarLocation>, consider the

(5) The 14th paragraph of Section 3 is:

    To show this, suppose that a slightly modified version of the above
    address is sent within a Lost <findService request>:

Please move the close angle bracket to be after "findService" rather 
than "request".


--Randall


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I thought I had addressed the =E2=80=9Ccomma=E2=80=9D problem in v13.  =
Turns out there is some kind of tooling problem: the xml2rfc on =
tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org/> is different from the one used =
in submission, and there is a bug, or at least some confusion, on the =
submission version.  I created a -14 that fixes it.

I did the other fixes also.

Brian


> On Nov 26, 2021, at 9:00 AM, Randall Gellens =
<rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org> wrote:
>=20
> (1) This wouldn't be worth a revision by itself, but I think we need a =
rev for item (2) so we may as well fix this also: In Section 3, the =
sixth paragraph starts "Since [RFC5222] currently does not have a way". =
The "currently" is awkward since an RFC is immutable. Consider rewording =
by either dropping the "currently" (making the text "Since [RFC5222] =
does not have a way") or changing "[RFC5222]" to "LoST" (making the text =
"Since LoST currently does not have a way").
>=20
> (2) I think this should be fixed before we go to IETF Last Call: There =
are a few examples in Section 3 that were the focus of emails from =
several people requesting a comma before the city name. These examples =
have been changed to use a fictitious city but is still lack the comma. =
I think these should be fixed before IETF LC since this is a point of =
confusion. The text in question:
>=20
>   Input address: 6000 15th Avenue Leets, WA US
>=20
>   Complete Location: 6000 15th Avenue Northwest Leets, WA 98105 US
>=20
> ...
>=20
>   Input address: 6000 15th Avenue North Leets, WA US
>=20
> ...
>=20
>   Similar address #1: 6000 15th Avenue Northwest Leets, WA 98107 US
>=20
>   Similar address #2: 6000 15th Avenue Northeast Leets, WA 98105 US
>=20
> These should all have a comma inserted before "Leets".
>=20
>=20
> (3) Since I think we have to fix (2), we may as well fix this also: In =
the 7th line of the paragraph with first line:
>=20
>   As another example of the use of <similarLocation>, consider the
>=20
> There is a  missing space after a comma in the 13th paragraph of =
Section 3:
>=20
>   have resulted in a uniquely identifiable location,the server can
>=20
> (4) Same as item (1), the "[RFC5222] currently" wording appears in the =
10th line of the paragraph starting:
>=20
>   As another example of the use of <similarLocation>, consider the
>=20
> (5) The 14th paragraph of Section 3 is:
>=20
>   To show this, suppose that a slightly modified version of the above
>   address is sent within a Lost <findService request>:
>=20
> Please move the close angle bracket to be after "findService" rather =
than "request".
>=20
>=20
> --Randall


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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
thought I had addressed the =E2=80=9Ccomma=E2=80=9D problem in v13. =
&nbsp;Turns out there is some kind of tooling problem: the xml2rfc on <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org" class=3D"">tools.ietf.org</a>&nbsp;is =
different from the one used in submission, and there is a bug, or at =
least some confusion, on the submission version. &nbsp;I created a -14 =
that fixes it.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I did =
the other fixes also.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Brian</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Nov =
26, 2021, at 9:00 AM, Randall Gellens &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org" =
class=3D"">rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">(1) =
This wouldn't be worth a revision by itself, but I think we need a rev =
for item (2) so we may as well fix this also: In Section 3, the sixth =
paragraph starts "Since [RFC5222] currently does not have a way". The =
"currently" is awkward since an RFC is immutable. Consider rewording by =
either dropping the "currently" (making the text "Since [RFC5222] does =
not have a way") or changing "[RFC5222]" to "LoST" (making the text =
"Since LoST currently does not have a way").<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">(2) I think this should be fixed before we go to IETF Last =
Call: There are a few examples in Section 3 that were the focus of =
emails from several people requesting a comma before the city name. =
These examples have been changed to use a fictitious city but is still =
lack the comma. I think these should be fixed before IETF LC since this =
is a point of confusion. The text in question:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;Input address: 6000 15th Avenue Leets, WA US<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;Complete Location: 6000 15th =
Avenue Northwest Leets, WA 98105 US<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">...<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;Input address: 6000 15th Avenue =
North Leets, WA US<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">...<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;Similar address #1: 6000 15th Avenue Northwest =
Leets, WA 98107 US<br class=3D""><br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;Similar =
address #2: 6000 15th Avenue Northeast Leets, WA 98105 US<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">These should all have a comma inserted before =
"Leets".<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">(3) Since I think =
we have to fix (2), we may as well fix this also: In the 7th line of the =
paragraph with first line:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;As =
another example of the use of &lt;similarLocation&gt;, consider the<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">There is a &nbsp;missing space after a comma =
in the 13th paragraph of Section 3:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;have resulted in a uniquely identifiable location,the server =
can<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">(4) Same as item (1), the "[RFC5222] =
currently" wording appears in the 10th line of the paragraph =
starting:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;As another example =
of the use of &lt;similarLocation&gt;, consider the<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">(5) The 14th paragraph of Section 3 is:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;To show this, suppose that a slightly modified =
version of the above<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;address is sent within a =
Lost &lt;findService request&gt;:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Please =
move the close angle bracket to be after "findService" rather than =
"request".<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">--Randall<br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div><br =
class=3D""></div></body></html>=

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies WG of the IETF.

        Title           : A LoST extension to return complete and similar location info
        Authors         : Brian Rosen
                          Roger Marshall
                          Jeff Martin
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-14.txt
	Pages           : 18
	Date            : 2021-11-29

Abstract:
   This document introduces a new way to provide returned location
   information in LoST responses that is either of a completed or
   similar form to the original input civic location, based on whether
   valid or invalid civic address elements are returned within the
   <findServiceResponse> message.  This document defines a new extension
   to the <findServiceResponse> message within the LoST protocol
   [RFC5222] that enables the LoST protocol to return in a response a
   completed civic address element set for a valid location response,
   and one or more suggested sets of similar location information for an
   invalid location.  These two types of civic addresses are referred to
   as either "complete location" or "similar location", and are included
   as a compilation of CAtype xml elements within the existing LoST
   <findServiceResponse> message structure.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location/

There is also an htmlized version available at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-14

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ecrit-similar-location-14


Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/



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I've checked -14 and confirmed it looks good. Thank you for fixing it.

Just out of curiosity, what was the bug?

--Randall

On 29 Nov 2021, at 10:41, Brian Rosen wrote:

> I thought I had addressed the “comma” problem in v13.  Turns out 
> there is some kind of tooling problem: the xml2rfc on tools.ietf.org 
> <http://tools.ietf.org/> is different from the one used in submission, 
> and there is a bug, or at least some confusion, on the submission 
> version.  I created a -14 that fixes it.
>
> I did the other fixes also.
>
> Brian
>
>
>> On Nov 26, 2021, at 9:00 AM, Randall Gellens 
>> <rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org> wrote:
>>
>> (1) This wouldn't be worth a revision by itself, but I think we need 
>> a rev for item (2) so we may as well fix this also: In Section 3, the 
>> sixth paragraph starts "Since [RFC5222] currently does not have a 
>> way". The "currently" is awkward since an RFC is immutable. Consider 
>> rewording by either dropping the "currently" (making the text "Since 
>> [RFC5222] does not have a way") or changing "[RFC5222]" to "LoST" 
>> (making the text "Since LoST currently does not have a way").
>>
>> (2) I think this should be fixed before we go to IETF Last Call: 
>> There are a few examples in Section 3 that were the focus of emails 
>> from several people requesting a comma before the city name. These 
>> examples have been changed to use a fictitious city but is still lack 
>> the comma. I think these should be fixed before IETF LC since this is 
>> a point of confusion. The text in question:
>>
>>   Input address: 6000 15th Avenue Leets, WA US
>>
>>   Complete Location: 6000 15th Avenue Northwest Leets, WA 98105 US
>>
>> ...
>>
>>   Input address: 6000 15th Avenue North Leets, WA US
>>
>> ...
>>
>>   Similar address #1: 6000 15th Avenue Northwest Leets, WA 98107 US
>>
>>   Similar address #2: 6000 15th Avenue Northeast Leets, WA 98105 US
>>
>> These should all have a comma inserted before "Leets".
>>
>>
>> (3) Since I think we have to fix (2), we may as well fix this also: 
>> In the 7th line of the paragraph with first line:
>>
>>   As another example of the use of <similarLocation>, consider the
>>
>> There is a  missing space after a comma in the 13th paragraph of 
>> Section 3:
>>
>>   have resulted in a uniquely identifiable location,the server can
>>
>> (4) Same as item (1), the "[RFC5222] currently" wording appears in 
>> the 10th line of the paragraph starting:
>>
>>   As another example of the use of <similarLocation>, consider the
>>
>> (5) The 14th paragraph of Section 3 is:
>>
>>   To show this, suppose that a slightly modified version of the above
>>   address is sent within a Lost <findService request>:
>>
>> Please move the close angle bracket to be after "findService" rather 
>> than "request".
>>
>>
>> --Randall



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