From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Wed Sep 13 13:26:21 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA13332 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13625 for ietf-ediint-bks; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aol.com (host-00-20-78-cd-ca-69-nat.adsl.catt.com [63.105.254.111]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13617 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009131634.JAA13617@ns.secondary.com> To: ietf-ediint@imc.org From: "Stephen Lee" X-Mailer: 6C5B2857.35F93A11.582ea6821d9574f23b6841dd82bac9b2 Subject: Stephen Lee - Question Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hello my name is Stephen Lee. :o) I ran accross your E-mail address on http://www.imc.org/ietf-ediint/archive1/0065.html (under e-mail+marketing+sales in altavista's search engine) and wanted to tell you that I use a software program that filters my email for me and also sends out personal emails to my customers all automatically while I am away from my desk. 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Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: So, How in the heck have you been? Do you remember holding previous conversations regarding business and money making opportunities? I did not send this to you in error! You Said: If only I could find an easier way to make a higher income! and If I had more money, I could spend more time with my Family, and less time at work and I sure could use more money so I could pay off my bills once and for all! And I would love to get involved in a business in which will generate money while I am not at work (like a Gas Pump)! Dear Friend, There is a possibility that we haven’t met, but you were chosen by someone to receive this E-Mail. Please, please, print this off and read thoroughly. Be sure that you don’t miss any of the points outlined. Then put it down, and then read it again. I am sending you a whole lot of information in which you might not understand the first time you read it. 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Get your piece of this action!!! Hello, My name is Johnathon Rourke, I’m from Rhode Island. The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. Two years ago, the corporation I worked for the past twelve yearsdown-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year,I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends and creditors over$35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just could not seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life. I am writing to share the experience I hopes that this could change your life FOREVER. FINANCIALLY$$$!!! In mid December, I received this program in my e-mail. Six months prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion,were not cost effective. They were either toodifficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too muchfor me to risk to see if they would work. But as I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program.I didn’t send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly. I couldn’t believe my eyes! Here was a MONEY MAKING MACHINE I could start immediately without any debt. Like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legalaspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal ! After determining the program was LEGAL I decided WHY NOT!?!?? Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don’t need any paper for printing to send out the program, and because I also send the product (reports) by e-mail, my only expense is my time. In less than one week,I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. Your goal is to RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON’T SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU! DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL. Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2. 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much need new car! Please take your time to read this plan, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER$!!! Remember, it won’t work if you don’t try it. This program does work, But you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won’t work and you’ll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose toparticipate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! $$ Sincerely, Johnathon Rourke A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, cpuld not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn’t working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn’t me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don’t have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, THE RICH GET RICHER ANDTHE POOR GET POORER. The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to move up or get rich, inflation will see to that You have just received the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few months than you have everimagined.I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I retired from the program after sending thousands and thousands of programs. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copyof this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000 and your name will be on everyone of them! REMEMBER though, ------ the MORE YOU SEND OUT, the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU!! NOW DO IT!! BEFORE YOU delete this program from your in box, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. $$$ IT WORKS!!! $$$ Jody Jacobs Richmond, VA. HERE’S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS$$$$!!!! This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say BULL, please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter,but a perfectly legal money making business. As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we sell and deliver a product for EVERY dollar received. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the EASIEST marketing plan anywhere! It is simply order filling by e-mail! The product is informational and instructional material, keys to the secrets for everyone on how to open the doors to the magic world of E-COMMERCE, the information highway, the wave of the future ! PLAN SUMMARY: (1) You order the 4 reports listed below ($5 each) They come to you by e-mail. (2) Save a copy of this entire letter and put your name after Report #1 and move the other names down. (3) Via the internet, access Yahoo.com or any of the other major search engines to locate hundreds of bulk e-mail service companies (search for bulk email) and have them send 25,000 50,000 emails for you about $49+. (4) Orders will come to you by postal mail simply e-mail them the Report they ordered. Let me ask you isn’t this about as easy as it gets? By the way there are over 50 MILLION e-mail address with millions more joining the internet each year so don’t worry about running out or saturation. People are used to seeing and hearing the same advertisements every day on radio/TV. How many times have you received the same pizza flyers on your door? Then one day you are hungry for pizza and order one. Same thing with this letter. I received this letter many times then one day I decided it was time to try it. YOU CAN START TODAY UST DO THESE EASY STEPS: STEP #1 ORDER THE FOUR REPORTS Order the four reports shown on the list below (you can’t sell them if you don’t order them). For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report.MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! Within a few days you will receive, by e-mail each of the four reports.Save them on your computer so you can send them to the 1,000’s of people who will order them from you. STEP #2. ADD YOUR MAILING ADDRESS TO THIS LETTER a. Look below for the listing of the four reports. b. After you’ve ordered the four reports, delete the name and address under REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle. c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you COPY ALL INFORMATION, every name and address, ACCURATELY! STEP #3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to these instructions. Now you are ready to use this entire e-mail to send by e-mail to prospects. Report #1 will tell you how to download bulk email software and email address so you can send it out to thousands of people while you sleep! Remember that 50,000+ new people are joining the internet every month! Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing ( surely you can afford $20 and initial bulk mailing cost). You obviously already have a computer and an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE! There are two primary methods of building your downline: METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL let’s say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we’ll assume you and all those involved email out only 2,000 programs each. Let’s also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. The response could be much better. Also, many people will email out thousands of thousands of programs instead of 2,000 (Why stop at 2000?) But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2.Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That’s 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5000 + $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD #2 PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET Advertising on the internet is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let’s say you decide to start small to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger response). Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets only 10 downline members. Look how this small number accumulates to achieve the STAGGERING results below: 1St level your first 10 send you $5........................$50 2nd level 10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)............$500 3rd level 10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)......$5,000 4th level 10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000)..$50,000 $$$$$$ THIS TOTALS ------------------------------------------------55,5550 $$$$$ AMAZING ISN’T IT Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100’s of participants and many will continue to work this program, sending out programs WITH YOUR NAME ON THEM for years! THINK ABOUT IT! People are going to get emails about this plan from you or somebody else and many will work this plan the question is Don’t you want your name to be on the emails they will send out? *** DON’T MISS OUT !!!*** ***JUST TRY IT ONCE !!!*** ***SEE WHAT HAPPENS !!!*** ***YOU'LL BE AMAZED !!!*** ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with YOUR name and address on it will be prompt because they can’t advertise until they receive the report! GET STARTED TODAY: PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THE FOUR REPORTS NOW. Note:-- ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in two sheets of paper. On one of those sheets write: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal address. REPORT #1b The Insider’s Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: NICK NICHOLAS 473 MICHIGAN ST ST.PAUL, MN 55102 NOTE: I and every member below are dedicated at helping you with this program so it will work for you also. TRY US! REPORT #2 The Insider’s Guide to Sending Bulk E-Mail on the Internet ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: DIANE COLON 1811 TAMARIND AVE # 206 LOS ANGELES, CA. 90028 REPORT #3 The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: MELISSA HOGENMILLER 3709 MONHEIM ROAD CONOVER, WI 54519 REPORT #4 How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: CATHY BARROW 10 SYCAMORE STREET CONWAY, SC 29527 *************TIPS FOR SUCCESS*************** TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order you MUST send out the requested product/report. It is required for this to be a legal business and they need the reports to send out their letter (with your name on them). --ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. Be patient and persistent with this program- If you follow the instructions exactly results WILL FOLLOW. $$$$ ************ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES *************** Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don’t receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mail until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2. If you don’t continue advertising or sending e-mail until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. To generate more income, simply send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question: ARE YOU HAPPY WITH YOUR PRESENT INCOME OR JOB? 1. If the answer is no, then please look at the following facts about this super simple MLM program: NO face to face selling, NO meetings, NO inventory! NO Telephone calls, NO big cost to start! Nothing to learn, No skills needed! (Surely you know how to send email?) 2. No equipment to buy you already have a computer and internet connection so you have everything you need to fill orders! 3. You are selling a product which does NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE OR SHIP! (Email copies of the reports are FREE!) 4. All of your customers pay you in CASH! This program will change your LIFE FOREEVER!! Look at the potential for you to be able to quit your job and live a life of luxury you could only dream about! Imagine getting out of debt and buying the car and home of your dreams and being able to work a super-high paying leisurely easy business from home! $$$ FINALLY MAKE SOME DREAMS COME TRUE! $$$ ACT NOW! Take your first step toward achieving financial independence. Order the reports and follow the program outlined above __ SUCCESS will be your reward. Thank you for your time and consideration. PLEASE NOT: If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name, learning now income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (A Federal Agency) 1-800-827-5722 for free help and answers to questions. Also the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business tax requirements. Your earnings are highly dependent on your activities and advertising. The information contained on this site and in the report constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this site or report constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. The earnings amounts listed on this site and in the report are estimates only. If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC. Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US Congress this letter cannot be considered spam as long as the sender includes contact information and a method of removal. This is a one time e-mail transmission. No request for removal is necessary. From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Thu Sep 28 17:27:37 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id RAA02739 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25614 for ietf-ediint-bks; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gbo126-n.gillette.com ([151.208.27.7]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25608 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:01:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark_Mueller@gillette.com Subject: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign To: ietf-ediint@imc.org Cc: Leo_Burstein@gillette.com, Robert_Mytkowicz@gillette.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2a (Intl) 23 November 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:04:19 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on GBO126-N/GIL/bo/NA/Gillette(Release 5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 09/28/2000 04:04:36 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Folks, We're just getting started with EDIINT and we're trying to get a sense for whether other companies are using self-signed certificates or certificates from a CA such as VeriSign. What seems to be the trend out there? Would people look askance at self-signed certificates? Mark From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Fri Sep 29 01:38:09 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id BAA15561 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06866 for ietf-ediint-bks; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bhpmel-ims04.corpmel.bhp.com.au (mel01.bhp.com.au [192.83.224.17]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06861 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: FROM bhpmel-ims04.corpmel.bhp.com.au BY bhpmel-ims04.corpmel.bhp.com.au ; Fri Sep 29 15:55:28 2000 +1100 Received: by bhpmel-ims04.corpmel.bhp.com.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:55:28 +1100 Message-ID: <315EC1E2790FD111B05A00805F154A93071C4C34@itwol-msg02.itwol.bhp.com.au> From: "Totman, Philip PL" To: ietf-ediint@imc.org, "'Mark_Mueller@gillette.com'" Cc: Leo_Burstein@gillette.com, Robert_Mytkowicz@gillette.com Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:54:57 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Mark, BHP Steel Australia are about to embark on rolling out an EDIINT compliant product to its major trading partners. BHP is commited to Sterling Commerce solutions (Gentran) and have chosen the Internet Data Exchange (IDX) product that has been sourced from Cyclone. We are planning to generate self-signed certificates and we expect that most trading partners will be happy to follow suit until this type of EDI trading develops and requires external certificate management. regards Philip Totman __________________________________________________ CSC Technology Services (formerly BHP IT) CSC 151 King Street, Warrawong NSW 2502 Ph: (02) 4275 5436 Email: totman.philip.pl@bhp.com.au > ---------- > From: Mark_Mueller@gillette.com[SMTP:Mark_Mueller@gillette.com] > Sent: Friday, 29 September 2000 7:04 > To: ietf-ediint@imc.org > Cc: Leo_Burstein@gillette.com; Robert_Mytkowicz@gillette.com > Subject: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign > > Folks, > > We're just getting started with EDIINT and we're trying to get a sense for > whether other > companies are using self-signed certificates or certificates from a CA such > as VeriSign. > > What seems to be the trend out there? Would people look askance at > self-signed certificates? > > Mark > > EOM NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify postmaster@bhp.com. From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Fri Sep 29 10:27:59 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id KAA00595 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24471 for ietf-ediint-bks; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from infobro.com (InfoBro@black.infobro.com [63.71.25.39]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA24467 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from red (unverified [205.161.100.60]) by infobro.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:28:26 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:28:24 -0400 Message-ID: <01C029F7.9D993BA0.eric@infobro.com> From: "Eric D. Williams" To: "ietf-ediint@imc.org" Cc: "'Totman, Philip PL'" Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:24:56 -0400 Organization: Information Brokers, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello all, I agree with Philip, however the use of self-signed will (in the short term) be limited to those "trading partners" who choose to operate in that modality. I believe most will be motivated as EDIINT moves forward to choose externally signed certs. I am sure the current CA's will follow these developments closely and move quickly and deploy services in that space. - From that prospective, however, it is very important to establish "good practices" for using self-signed certificates NOW, regardless of the marketplace developments. I would be interested in some discussion on the parameters (read legal framework) trading partners will establish for that type of activity, this will at least give us some practices to draw from concerning self-signing and authenticity. Eric Williams, Pres. Information Brokers, Inc. Phone: +1 202.889.4395 http://www.infobro.com/ Fax: +1 202.889.4396 mailto:eric@infobro.com For More Info: info@infobro.com PGP Public Key http://new.infobro.com/KeyServ/EricDWilliams.asc Finger Print: 1055 8AED 9783 2378 73EF 7B19 0544 A590 FF65 B789 On Friday, September 29, 2000 12:55 AM, Totman, Philip PL [SMTP:Totman.Philip.PL@bhp.com] wrote: > Mark, > BHP Steel Australia are about to embark on rolling out an EDIINT compliant > product to its major trading partners. BHP is commited to Sterling Commerce > solutions (Gentran) and have chosen the Internet Data Exchange (IDX) product > that has been sourced from Cyclone. > > We are planning to generate self-signed certificates and we expect that most > trading partners will be happy to follow suit until this type of EDI trading > develops and requires external certificate management. > > regards > > Philip Totman > __________________________________________________ > CSC Technology Services (formerly BHP IT) > CSC > 151 King Street, Warrawong NSW 2502 > Ph: (02) 4275 5436 Email: totman.philip.pl@bhp.com.au > > > > > ---------- > > From: Mark_Mueller@gillette.com[SMTP:Mark_Mueller@gillette.com] > > Sent: Friday, 29 September 2000 7:04 > > To: ietf-ediint@imc.org > > Cc: Leo_Burstein@gillette.com; Robert_Mytkowicz@gillette.com > > Subject: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign > > > > Folks, > > > > We're just getting started with EDIINT and we're trying to get a sense for > > whether other > > companies are using self-signed certificates or certificates from a CA such > > as VeriSign. > > > > What seems to be the trend out there? Would people look askance at > > self-signed certificates? > > > > Mark > > > > > EOM > > NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the > addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If > you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified > that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If > you have received this message in error please notify postmaster@bhp.com. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOdSYKAVEpZD/ZbeJEQJCBQCgrpdp65PmqxAlrZeFeWqK+jy4SEcAn1ev 4P3ZmJjGP9piZRpZnUXsOro3 =BrJV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Fri Sep 29 13:02:20 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA03113 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01227 for ietf-ediint-bks; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.csx.com (proxy.csx.com [216.231.208.128]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA01223 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.20.8.78 by mail1.csx.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:15:19 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Received: by tjax2045exch-bk.bkup.csx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:17:14 -0400 Message-ID: <231F4FCC6CFCD311B2DC00508B651738D616A5@tjax2222exch.csxt.csx.com> From: "Briley, Robert" To: ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:19:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: As we start to pole our trading partners on their certificate preference, the mix is about split. However, when we ask them the reason behind their preference, they don't usually have an explanation other than "well that just seemed to be the best way". Rob Robert Briley Senior Network Engineer BridgePoint, Inc. robert_briley@bridge-point.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric D. Williams [SMTP:eric@infobro.com] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:25 AM > To: ietf-ediint@imc.org > Cc: 'Totman, Philip PL' > Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello all, > I agree with Philip, however the use of self-signed will (in the short > term) be > limited to those "trading partners" who choose to operate in that > modality. I > believe most will be motivated as EDIINT moves forward to choose > externally > signed certs. I am sure the current CA's will follow these developments > closely and move quickly and deploy services in that space. > > - From that prospective, however, it is very important to establish "good > practices" for using self-signed certificates NOW, regardless of the > marketplace developments. I would be interested in some discussion on the > > parameters (read legal framework) trading partners will establish for that > type > of activity, this will at least give us some practices to draw from > concerning > self-signing and authenticity. > > Eric Williams, Pres. > Information Brokers, Inc. Phone: +1 202.889.4395 > http://www.infobro.com/ Fax: +1 202.889.4396 > mailto:eric@infobro.com > For More Info: info@infobro.com > PGP Public Key > http://new.infobro.com/KeyServ/EricDWilliams.asc > Finger Print: 1055 8AED 9783 2378 73EF 7B19 0544 A590 FF65 B789 > > > On Friday, September 29, 2000 12:55 AM, Totman, Philip PL > [SMTP:Totman.Philip.PL@bhp.com] wrote: > > Mark, > > BHP Steel Australia are about to embark on rolling out an EDIINT > compliant > > product to its major trading partners. BHP is commited to Sterling > Commerce > > solutions (Gentran) and have chosen the Internet Data Exchange (IDX) > product > > that has been sourced from Cyclone. > > > > We are planning to generate self-signed certificates and we expect that > most > > trading partners will be happy to follow suit until this type of EDI > trading > > develops and requires external certificate management. > > > > regards > > > > Philip Totman > > __________________________________________________ > > CSC Technology Services (formerly BHP IT) > > CSC > > 151 King Street, Warrawong NSW 2502 > > Ph: (02) 4275 5436 Email: totman.philip.pl@bhp.com.au > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Mark_Mueller@gillette.com[SMTP:Mark_Mueller@gillette.com] > > > Sent: Friday, 29 September 2000 7:04 > > > To: ietf-ediint@imc.org > > > Cc: Leo_Burstein@gillette.com; Robert_Mytkowicz@gillette.com > > > Subject: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > We're just getting started with EDIINT and we're trying to get a sense > for > > > whether other > > > companies are using self-signed certificates or certificates from a CA > such > > > as VeriSign. > > > > > > What seems to be the trend out there? Would people look askance at > > > self-signed certificates? > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > EOM > > > > NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of > the > > addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. > If > > you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified > > that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on > it. If > > you have received this message in error please notify > postmaster@bhp.com. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBOdSYKAVEpZD/ZbeJEQJCBQCgrpdp65PmqxAlrZeFeWqK+jy4SEcAn1ev > 4P3ZmJjGP9piZRpZnUXsOro3 > =BrJV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Sat Sep 30 20:15:36 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id UAA02311 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14395 for ietf-ediint-bks; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SCTMAIL01.Vstore.com (mail.vstore.com [63.67.128.133]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14391 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by SCTMAIL01.Vstore.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:36:52 -0700 Message-ID: <7D9ADF294A9D1E4B82F9C4A7125B156FACFB3F@SCTMAIL01.Vstore.com> From: Shan Harter To: "'Briley, Robert'" , ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:36:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C02B37.4ED82E40" Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C02B37.4ED82E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does it really matter if its VeriSign or by Cyclone, or IDX or ECXpert, Priminos/Templar. As long at the trust relationship between the two parties has been agreed upon? Vcommerce will probably use IDX's generated certificates (AKA Cyclone). Shan -----Original Message----- From: Briley, Robert [mailto:Robert_Briley@Bridge-Point.com] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 8:20 AM To: ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign As we start to pole our trading partners on their certificate preference, the mix is about split. However, when we ask them the reason behind their preference, they don't usually have an explanation other than "well that just seemed to be the best way". Rob Robert Briley Senior Network Engineer BridgePoint, Inc. robert_briley@bridge-point.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric D. Williams [SMTP:eric@infobro.com] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:25 AM > To: ietf-ediint@imc.org > Cc: 'Totman, Philip PL' > Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello all, > I agree with Philip, however the use of self-signed will (in the short > term) be > limited to those "trading partners" who choose to operate in that > modality. I > believe most will be motivated as EDIINT moves forward to choose > externally > signed certs. I am sure the current CA's will follow these developments > closely and move quickly and deploy services in that space. > > - From that prospective, however, it is very important to establish "good > practices" for using self-signed certificates NOW, regardless of the > marketplace developments. I would be interested in some discussion on the > > parameters (read legal framework) trading partners will establish for that > type > of activity, this will at least give us some practices to draw from > concerning > self-signing and authenticity. > > Eric Williams, Pres. > Information Brokers, Inc. Phone: +1 202.889.4395 > http://www.infobro.com/ Fax: +1 202.889.4396 > mailto:eric@infobro.com > For More Info: info@infobro.com > PGP Public Key > http://new.infobro.com/KeyServ/EricDWilliams.asc > Finger Print: 1055 8AED 9783 2378 73EF 7B19 0544 A590 FF65 B789 > > > On Friday, September 29, 2000 12:55 AM, Totman, Philip PL > [SMTP:Totman.Philip.PL@bhp.com] wrote: > > Mark, > > BHP Steel Australia are about to embark on rolling out an EDIINT > compliant > > product to its major trading partners. BHP is commited to Sterling > Commerce > > solutions (Gentran) and have chosen the Internet Data Exchange (IDX) > product > > that has been sourced from Cyclone. > > > > We are planning to generate self-signed certificates and we expect that > most > > trading partners will be happy to follow suit until this type of EDI > trading > > develops and requires external certificate management. > > > > regards > > > > Philip Totman > > __________________________________________________ > > CSC Technology Services (formerly BHP IT) > > CSC > > 151 King Street, Warrawong NSW 2502 > > Ph: (02) 4275 5436 Email: totman.philip.pl@bhp.com.au > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Mark_Mueller@gillette.com[SMTP:Mark_Mueller@gillette.com] > > > Sent: Friday, 29 September 2000 7:04 > > > To: ietf-ediint@imc.org > > > Cc: Leo_Burstein@gillette.com; Robert_Mytkowicz@gillette.com > > > Subject: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > We're just getting started with EDIINT and we're trying to get a sense > for > > > whether other > > > companies are using self-signed certificates or certificates from a CA > such > > > as VeriSign. > > > > > > What seems to be the trend out there? Would people look askance at > > > self-signed certificates? > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > EOM > > > > NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of > the > > addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. > If > > you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified > > that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on > it. If > > you have received this message in error please notify > postmaster@bhp.com. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBOdSYKAVEpZD/ZbeJEQJCBQCgrpdp65PmqxAlrZeFeWqK+jy4SEcAn1ev > 4P3ZmJjGP9piZRpZnUXsOro3 > =BrJV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C02B37.4ED82E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign

Does it really matter if its VeriSign or by Cyclone, = or IDX or ECXpert, Priminos/Templar. As long at the trust relationship = between the two parties has been agreed upon?

Vcommerce will probably use IDX's generated = certificates (AKA Cyclone).

Shan

-----Original Message-----
From: Briley, Robert [mailto:Robert_Briley@Brid= ge-Point.com]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 8:20 AM
To: ietf-ediint@imc.org
Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs = VeriSign


As we start to pole our trading partners on their = certificate preference,
the mix is about split.  However, when we ask = them the reason behind their
preference, they don't usually have an explanation = other than "well that
just seemed to be the best way".

Rob

Robert Briley
Senior Network Engineer
BridgePoint, Inc.
robert_briley@bridge-point.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric D. Williams = [SMTP:eric@infobro.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:25 AM
> To:   ietf-ediint@imc.org
> Cc:   'Totman, Philip PL'
> Subject:      RE: = Certificates:  self-signed vs VeriSign
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hello all,
> I agree with Philip, however the use of = self-signed will (in the short
> term) be
> limited to those "trading partners" = who choose to operate in that
> modality.  I
> believe most will be motivated as EDIINT moves = forward to choose
> externally
> signed certs.  I am sure the current CA's = will follow these developments
> closely and move quickly and deploy services in = that space.
>
> - From that prospective, however, it is very = important to establish "good
> practices" for using self-signed = certificates NOW, regardless of the
> marketplace developments.  I would be = interested in some discussion on the
>
> parameters (read legal framework) trading = partners will establish for that
> type
> of activity, this will at least give us some = practices to draw from
> concerning
> self-signing and authenticity.
>
> Eric Williams, Pres.
> Information Brokers, Inc.    = Phone: +1 202.889.4395
> http://www.infobro.com/    &nb= sp;   Fax: +1 202.889.4396
>          = ;     mailto:eric@infobro.com
>          = ;  For More Info: info@infobro.com
>          = ;           PGP = Public Key
>    http://new.infobro.com/KeyServ/EricDWilliams.asc
> Finger Print: 1055 8AED 9783 2378 73EF  = 7B19 0544 A590 FF65 B789
>
>
> On Friday, September 29, 2000 12:55 AM, Totman, = Philip PL
> [SMTP:Totman.Philip.PL@bhp.com] wrote:
> > Mark,
> > BHP Steel Australia are about to embark on = rolling out an EDIINT
> compliant
> > product to its major trading partners. BHP = is commited to Sterling
> Commerce
> > solutions (Gentran) and have chosen the = Internet Data Exchange (IDX)
> product
> > that has been sourced from Cyclone.
> >
> > We are planning to generate self-signed = certificates and we expect that
> most
> > trading partners will be happy to follow = suit until this type of EDI
> trading
> > develops and requires external certificate = management.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Philip Totman
> > = __________________________________________________
> > CSC Technology Services (formerly BHP = IT)
> > CSC
> > 151 King Street, Warrawong NSW 2502
> > Ph: (02) 4275 5436   Email: = totman.philip.pl@bhp.com.au
> >
> >
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From:     = Mark_Mueller@gillette.com[SMTP:Mark_Mueller@gillette.com]
> > > Sent:     Friday, 29 = September 2000 7:04
> > > To:       = ietf-ediint@imc.org
> > > Cc:       = Leo_Burstein@gillette.com; Robert_Mytkowicz@gillette.com
> > > Subject:  Certificates:  = self-signed vs VeriSign
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > We're just getting started with = EDIINT and we're trying to get a sense
> for
> > > whether other
> > > companies are using self-signed = certificates or certificates from a CA
> such
> > > as VeriSign.
> > >
> > > What seems to be the trend out = there?  Would people look askance at
> > > self-signed certificates?
> > >
> > >     Mark
> > >
> > >
> > EOM
> >
> > NOTICE - This message contains information = intended only for the use of
> the
> > addressee named above.  It may also = be confidential and/or privileged.
> If
> > you are not the intended recipient of this = message you are hereby
> notified
> > that you must not disseminate, copy or = take any action in reliance on
> it.  If
> > you have received this message in error = please notify
> postmaster@bhp.com.
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: PGP 6.5.8
>
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C02B37.4ED82E40-- From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Sat Sep 30 21:25:47 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA02741 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16592 for ietf-ediint-bks; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.atl.mediaone.net (atlasmtp.atl.mediaone.net [24.92.1.152]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16587 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwilson (rr-165-112-74.atl.mediaone.net [24.165.112.74]) by smtp.atl.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA26508; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c02b41$7afddce0$4a70a518@atl.mediaone.net> From: "Craig Wilson" To: "Shan Harter" , "'Briley, Robert'" , References: <7D9ADF294A9D1E4B82F9C4A7125B156FACFB3F@SCTMAIL01.Vstore.com> Subject: Re: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:49:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C02B1F.ECB8F9E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C02B1F.ECB8F9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSignGood choice. Works well for = us. Comes with a freely distributable client piece for those pesky SME = situations. Craig. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Shan Harter=20 To: 'Briley, Robert' ; ietf-ediint@imc.org=20 Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 7:36 PM Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign Does it really matter if its VeriSign or by Cyclone, or IDX or = ECXpert, Priminos/Templar. As long at the trust relationship between the = two parties has been agreed upon?=20 Vcommerce will probably use IDX's generated certificates (AKA = Cyclone).=20 Shan=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Briley, Robert [mailto:Robert_Briley@Bridge-Point.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 8:20 AM=20 To: ietf-ediint@imc.org=20 Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign=20 As we start to pole our trading partners on their certificate = preference,=20 the mix is about split. However, when we ask them the reason behind = their=20 preference, they don't usually have an explanation other than "well = that=20 just seemed to be the best way".=20 Rob=20 Robert Briley=20 Senior Network Engineer=20 BridgePoint, Inc.=20 robert_briley@bridge-point.com=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: Eric D. Williams [SMTP:eric@infobro.com]=20 > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:25 AM=20 > To: ietf-ediint@imc.org=20 > Cc: 'Totman, Philip PL'=20 > Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign=20 >=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----=20 > Hash: SHA1=20 >=20 > Hello all,=20 > I agree with Philip, however the use of self-signed will (in the = short=20 > term) be=20 > limited to those "trading partners" who choose to operate in that=20 > modality. I=20 > believe most will be motivated as EDIINT moves forward to choose=20 > externally=20 > signed certs. I am sure the current CA's will follow these = developments=20 > closely and move quickly and deploy services in that space.=20 >=20 > - From that prospective, however, it is very important to establish = "good=20 > practices" for using self-signed certificates NOW, regardless of the = > marketplace developments. I would be interested in some discussion = on the=20 >=20 > parameters (read legal framework) trading partners will establish = for that=20 > type=20 > of activity, this will at least give us some practices to draw from=20 > concerning=20 > self-signing and authenticity.=20 >=20 > Eric Williams, Pres.=20 > Information Brokers, Inc. Phone: +1 202.889.4395=20 > http://www.infobro.com/ Fax: +1 202.889.4396=20 > mailto:eric@infobro.com=20 > For More Info: info@infobro.com=20 > PGP Public Key=20 > http://new.infobro.com/KeyServ/EricDWilliams.asc=20 > Finger Print: 1055 8AED 9783 2378 73EF 7B19 0544 A590 FF65 B789=20 >=20 >=20 > On Friday, September 29, 2000 12:55 AM, Totman, Philip PL=20 > [SMTP:Totman.Philip.PL@bhp.com] wrote:=20 > > Mark,=20 > > BHP Steel Australia are about to embark on rolling out an EDIINT=20 > compliant=20 > > product to its major trading partners. BHP is commited to Sterling = > Commerce=20 > > solutions (Gentran) and have chosen the Internet Data Exchange = (IDX)=20 > product=20 > > that has been sourced from Cyclone.=20 > >=20 > > We are planning to generate self-signed certificates and we expect = that=20 > most=20 > > trading partners will be happy to follow suit until this type of = EDI=20 > trading=20 > > develops and requires external certificate management.=20 > >=20 > > regards=20 > >=20 > > Philip Totman=20 > > __________________________________________________=20 > > CSC Technology Services (formerly BHP IT)=20 > > CSC=20 > > 151 King Street, Warrawong NSW 2502=20 > > Ph: (02) 4275 5436 Email: totman.philip.pl@bhp.com.au=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > > ----------=20 > > > From: = Mark_Mueller@gillette.com[SMTP:Mark_Mueller@gillette.com]=20 > > > Sent: Friday, 29 September 2000 7:04=20 > > > To: ietf-ediint@imc.org=20 > > > Cc: Leo_Burstein@gillette.com; = Robert_Mytkowicz@gillette.com=20 > > > Subject: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign=20 > > >=20 > > > Folks,=20 > > >=20 > > > We're just getting started with EDIINT and we're trying to get a = sense=20 > for=20 > > > whether other=20 > > > companies are using self-signed certificates or certificates = from a CA=20 > such=20 > > > as VeriSign.=20 > > >=20 > > > What seems to be the trend out there? Would people look askance = at=20 > > > self-signed certificates?=20 > > >=20 > > > Mark=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > EOM=20 > >=20 > > NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the = use of=20 > the=20 > > addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or = privileged.=20 > If=20 > > you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby=20 > notified=20 > > that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance = on=20 > it. If=20 > > you have received this message in error please notify=20 > postmaster@bhp.com.=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----=20 > Version: PGP 6.5.8=20 >=20 > iQA/AwUBOdSYKAVEpZD/ZbeJEQJCBQCgrpdp65PmqxAlrZeFeWqK+jy4SEcAn1ev=20 > 4P3ZmJjGP9piZRpZnUXsOro3=20 > =3DBrJV=20 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C02B1F.ECB8F9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign
Good choice.  Works well for = us.  Comes=20 with a freely distributable client piece for those pesky SME=20 situations.
 
Craig.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Shan=20 Harter
To: 'Briley, Robert' ; = ietf-ediint@imc.org
Sent: Saturday, September 30, = 2000 7:36=20 PM
Subject: RE: Certificates: = self-signed vs=20 VeriSign

Does it really matter if its VeriSign or by Cyclone, = or IDX or=20 ECXpert, Priminos/Templar. As long at the trust relationship between = the two=20 parties has been agreed upon?

Vcommerce will probably use IDX's generated = certificates (AKA=20 Cyclone).

Shan

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 Briley, Robert [mailto:Robert_Briley@Bridg= e-Point.com]=20
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 8:20 AM =
To: ietf-ediint@imc.org=20
Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs = VeriSign=20


As we start to pole our trading partners on their = certificate=20 preference,
the mix is about split.  = However,=20 when we ask them the reason behind their
preference,=20 they don't usually have an explanation other than "well that =
just seemed to be the best way".

Rob

Robert Briley
Senior = Network=20 Engineer
BridgePoint, Inc.
robert_briley@bridge-point.com

> -----Original Message-----
>=20 From: Eric D. Williams [SMTP:eric@infobro.com]
>=20 Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:25 AM
>=20 To:   ietf-ediint@imc.org
>=20 Cc:   'Totman, Philip PL'
>=20 Subject:      RE: Certificates:  = self-signed vs=20 VeriSign
>
> = -----BEGIN=20 PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: = SHA1=20
>
> Hello = all,
> I agree with Philip, however the use of self-signed will = (in the=20 short
> term) be
>=20 limited to those "trading partners" who choose to operate in = that=20
> modality.  I
> believe=20 most will be motivated as EDIINT moves forward to choose =
> externally
> signed = certs.  I am=20 sure the current CA's will follow these developments
> closely and move quickly and deploy services in that = space.=20
>
> - From that = prospective,=20 however, it is very important to establish "good
>=20 practices" for using self-signed certificates NOW, regardless of the=20
> marketplace developments.  I would = be=20 interested in some discussion on the
>=20
> parameters (read legal framework) = trading=20 partners will establish for that
> type=20
> of activity, this will at least give us = some=20 practices to draw from
> concerning=20
> self-signing and authenticity. =
>
> Eric Williams, = Pres.
> Information Brokers, Inc.    Phone: +1=20 202.889.4395
> http://www.infobro.com/  &= nbsp;    =20 Fax: +1 202.889.4396
>          =     =20 mailto:eric@infobro.com =
>          =  =20 For More Info: info@infobro.com
>          =           =20 PGP Public Key
>    http://new.info= bro.com/KeyServ/EricDWilliams.asc=20
> Finger Print: 1055 8AED 9783 2378 73EF  = 7B19 0544=20 A590 FF65 B789
>
>=20
> On Friday, September 29, 2000 12:55 AM, = Totman,=20 Philip PL
> = [SMTP:Totman.Philip.PL@bhp.com]=20 wrote:
> > Mark,
>=20 > BHP Steel Australia are about to embark on rolling out an = EDIINT=20
> compliant
> > = product to=20 its major trading partners. BHP is commited to Sterling =
> Commerce
> > solutions = (Gentran) and=20 have chosen the Internet Data Exchange (IDX)
>=20 product
> > that has been sourced from = Cyclone.
> >
> >=20 We are planning to generate self-signed certificates and we expect = that=20
> most
> > = trading partners=20 will be happy to follow suit until this type of EDI
> trading
> > develops and = requires=20 external certificate management.
> = >=20
> > regards
> = >=20
> > Philip Totman
> >=20 __________________________________________________
> > CSC Technology Services (formerly BHP IT) =
> > CSC
> > 151 King = Street,=20 Warrawong NSW 2502
> > Ph: (02) 4275=20 5436   Email: totman.philip.pl@bhp.com.au
> >
> > =
> >
> > > = ----------=20
> > > From:    =20 Mark_Mueller@gillette.com[SMTP:Mark_Mueller@gillette.com] =
> > > Sent:     Friday, 29 September = 2000=20 7:04
> > > To: =      =20 ietf-ediint@imc.org
> > > Cc:=20       Leo_Burstein@gillette.com;=20 Robert_Mytkowicz@gillette.com
> > > = Subject:  Certificates:  self-signed vs VeriSign =
> > >
> > > = Folks,=20
> > >
> > = > We're=20 just getting started with EDIINT and we're trying to get a = sense=20
> for
> > > = whether=20 other
> > > companies are using = self-signed=20 certificates or certificates from a CA
>=20 such
> > > as VeriSign. =
> > >
> > > What = seems to be=20 the trend out there?  Would people look askance at =
> > > self-signed certificates?
>=20 > >
> > = >    =20 Mark
> > >
> >=20 >
> > EOM
>=20 >
> > NOTICE - This message = contains=20 information intended only for the use of
>=20 the
> > addressee named above.  = It may also=20 be confidential and/or privileged.
> = If=20
> > you are not the intended recipient of = this message=20 you are hereby
> notified =
> > that you must not disseminate, copy or take any = action in=20 reliance on
> it.  If =
> > you have received this message in error please = notify=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C02B1F.ECB8F9E0-- From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Sat Sep 30 23:44:41 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id XAA05755 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21739 for ietf-ediint-bks; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c1plenaexi01.commerceone.com (mail.commerceone.com [12.22.60.14]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21734 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c1plenaexi01.commerceone.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:17:09 -0700 Message-ID: <4C4A7BE77CE1D311A1D200508BA38C120D3C25@venus.commerceone.com> From: "Ahmed, Zahid" To: "'Craig Wilson'" , Shan Harter , "'Briley, Robert'" , ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:15:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Depends what type of certificate services we are talking about. If it is SSL Server certificates for internet facing applications, it seems that we do want to use a public CA to provide certificate issuance/revocation services. If it is other types of certificates, you could use a private, closed CA; however, the central issue here is who provides liability backing for the secure transactions. Are there any models for transaction liability between trading partners in the EDI over the internet world? ---Zahid -----Original Message----- From: Craig Wilson [mailto:cwilson@transettlements.com] Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 5:49 PM To: Shan Harter; 'Briley, Robert'; ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: Re: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign Good choice. Works well for us. Comes with a freely distributable client piece for those pesky SME situations. Craig. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shan Harter To: 'Briley, Robert' ; ietf-ediint@imc.org Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 7:36 PM Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign Does it really matter if its VeriSign or by Cyclone, or IDX or ECXpert, Priminos/Templar. As long at the trust relationship between the two parties has been agreed upon? Vcommerce will probably use IDX's generated certificates (AKA Cyclone). Shan -----Original Message----- From: Briley, Robert [ mailto:Robert_Briley@Bridge-Point.com ] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 8:20 AM To: ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign As we start to pole our trading partners on their certificate preference, the mix is about split. However, when we ask them the reason behind their preference, they don't usually have an explanation other than "well that just seemed to be the best way". Rob Robert Briley Senior Network Engineer BridgePoint, Inc. robert_briley@bridge-point.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric D. Williams [SMTP:eric@infobro.com] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:25 AM > To: ietf-ediint@imc.org > Cc: 'Totman, Philip PL' > Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello all, > I agree with Philip, however the use of self-signed will (in the short > term) be > limited to those "trading partners" who choose to operate in that > modality. I > believe most will be motivated as EDIINT moves forward to choose > externally > signed certs. I am sure the current CA's will follow these developments > closely and move quickly and deploy services in that space. > > - From that prospective, however, it is very important to establish "good > practices" for using self-signed certificates NOW, regardless of the > marketplace developments. I would be interested in some discussion on the > > parameters (read legal framework) trading partners will establish for that > type > of activity, this will at least give us some practices to draw from > concerning > self-signing and authenticity. > > Eric Williams, Pres. > Information Brokers, Inc. Phone: +1 202.889.4395 > http://www.infobro.com/ Fax: +1 202.889.4396 > mailto:eric@infobro.com > For More Info: info@infobro.com > PGP Public Key > http://new.infobro.com/KeyServ/EricDWilliams.asc > Finger Print: 1055 8AED 9783 2378 73EF 7B19 0544 A590 FF65 B789 > > > On Friday, September 29, 2000 12:55 AM, Totman, Philip PL > [SMTP:Totman.Philip.PL@bhp.com] wrote: > > Mark, > > BHP Steel Australia are about to embark on rolling out an EDIINT > compliant > > product to its major trading partners. BHP is commited to Sterling > Commerce > > solutions (Gentran) and have chosen the Internet Data Exchange (IDX) > product > > that has been sourced from Cyclone. > > > > We are planning to generate self-signed certificates and we expect that > most > > trading partners will be happy to follow suit until this type of EDI > trading > > develops and requires external certificate management. > > > > regards > > > > Philip Totman > > __________________________________________________ > > CSC Technology Services (formerly BHP IT) > > CSC > > 151 King Street, Warrawong NSW 2502 > > Ph: (02) 4275 5436 Email: totman.philip.pl@bhp.com.au > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Mark_Mueller@gillette.com[SMTP:Mark_Mueller@gillette.com] > > > Sent: Friday, 29 September 2000 7:04 > > > To: ietf-ediint@imc.org > > > Cc: Leo_Burstein@gillette.com; Robert_Mytkowicz@gillette.com > > > Subject: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > We're just getting started with EDIINT and we're trying to get a sense > for > > > whether other > > > companies are using self-signed certificates or certificates from a CA > such > > > as VeriSign. > > > > > > What seems to be the trend out there? Would people look askance at > > > self-signed certificates? > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > EOM > > > > NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of > the > > addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. > If > > you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified > > that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on > it. If > > you have received this message in error please notify > postmaster@bhp.com. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBOdSYKAVEpZD/ZbeJEQJCBQCgrpdp65PmqxAlrZeFeWqK+jy4SEcAn1ev > 4P3ZmJjGP9piZRpZnUXsOro3 > =BrJV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Sat Sep 30 23:59:15 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id XAA05899 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22043 for ietf-ediint-bks; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22035 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darnelltecra (atl-tgn-ydr-vty134.as.wcom.net [216.192.182.134]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA22278; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Dave Darnell" To: "'Shan Harter'" , "'Briley, Robert'" , Cc: Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs Verisign Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:32:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c02b58$4ae60980$86b6c0d8@darnelltecra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7D9ADF294A9D1E4B82F9C4A7125B156FACFB3F@SCTMAIL01.Vstore.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shan, There are many advantages to a third party certificate authority providing certificates for a trading partner community. Digital signatures are verified via the public key that is contained in an X.509 cert. A CA gives its digital signature on an X.509 cert to give a level of authenticity to the identity of the entity holding the cert. Verisign is a CA that is one of a very few that has passed the California requirements for registration to legally provide CA services. A CA like Verisign will keep X.509 certs in its directory service for many years... long past the expiration date of the cert. This will allow subscribers to download certs that have expired so that digital signatures can be checked on documents and transactions years after the original digital signature has been applied. A digital signature is growing in importance especially with the latest digital signature laws enacted at the federal and state levels. As you know, Shan, a digital signature provides authenticity, non-repudiation, and integrity to a electronic commerce transaction. Coupled with state and federal laws and the use of a certified CA's X.509 cert, an electronic business transaction carries all the legal power of any other type of transaction (such as a paper contract with a notary public certified "wet" signatures). I am in favor of utilizing a third party CA rather than self-signed certs because of the additional benefits the CA provides, including the legal issues. In my humble opinion, of course. Have a good weekend. -Dave Darnell -----Original Message----- From: Shan Harter [mailto:sharter@vcommerce.com] Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 4:37 PM To: 'Briley, Robert'; ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign Does it really matter if its VeriSign or by Cyclone, or IDX or ECXpert, Priminos/Templar. As long at the trust relationship between the two parties has been agreed upon? Vcommerce will probably use IDX's generated certificates (AKA Cyclone). Shan -----Original Message----- From: Briley, Robert [ mailto:Robert_Briley@Bridge-Point.com ] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 8:20 AM To: ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign As we start to pole our trading partners on their certificate preference, the mix is about split. However, when we ask them the reason behind their preference, they don't usually have an explanation other than "well that just seemed to be the best way". Rob Robert Briley Senior Network Engineer BridgePoint, Inc. robert_briley@bridge-point.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric D. Williams [SMTP:eric@infobro.com] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:25 AM > To: ietf-ediint@imc.org > Cc: 'Totman, Philip PL' > Subject: RE: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello all, > I agree with Philip, however the use of self-signed will (in the short > term) be > limited to those "trading partners" who choose to operate in that > modality. I > believe most will be motivated as EDIINT moves forward to choose > externally > signed certs. I am sure the current CA's will follow these developments > closely and move quickly and deploy services in that space. > > - From that prospective, however, it is very important to establish "good > practices" for using self-signed certificates NOW, regardless of the > marketplace developments. I would be interested in some discussion on the > > parameters (read legal framework) trading partners will establish for that > type > of activity, this will at least give us some practices to draw from > concerning > self-signing and authenticity. > > Eric Williams, Pres. > Information Brokers, Inc. Phone: +1 202.889.4395 > http://www.infobro.com/ Fax: +1 202.889.4396 > mailto:eric@infobro.com > For More Info: info@infobro.com > PGP Public Key > http://new.infobro.com/KeyServ/EricDWilliams.asc > Finger Print: 1055 8AED 9783 2378 73EF 7B19 0544 A590 FF65 B789 > > > On Friday, September 29, 2000 12:55 AM, Totman, Philip PL > [SMTP:Totman.Philip.PL@bhp.com] wrote: > > Mark, > > BHP Steel Australia are about to embark on rolling out an EDIINT > compliant > > product to its major trading partners. BHP is commited to Sterling > Commerce > > solutions (Gentran) and have chosen the Internet Data Exchange (IDX) > product > > that has been sourced from Cyclone. > > > > We are planning to generate self-signed certificates and we expect that > most > > trading partners will be happy to follow suit until this type of EDI > trading > > develops and requires external certificate management. > > > > regards > > > > Philip Totman > > __________________________________________________ > > CSC Technology Services (formerly BHP IT) > > CSC > > 151 King Street, Warrawong NSW 2502 > > Ph: (02) 4275 5436 Email: totman.philip.pl@bhp.com.au > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Mark_Mueller@gillette.com[SMTP:Mark_Mueller@gillette.com] > > > Sent: Friday, 29 September 2000 7:04 > > > To: ietf-ediint@imc.org > > > Cc: Leo_Burstein@gillette.com; Robert_Mytkowicz@gillette.com > > > Subject: Certificates: self-signed vs VeriSign > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > We're just getting started with EDIINT and we're trying to get a sense > for > > > whether other > > > companies are using self-signed certificates or certificates from a CA > such > > > as VeriSign. > > > > > > What seems to be the trend out there? Would people look askance at > > > self-signed certificates? > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > EOM > > > > NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of > the > > addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. > If > > you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified > > that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on > it. If > > you have received this message in error please notify > postmaster@bhp.com. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBOdSYKAVEpZD/ZbeJEQJCBQCgrpdp65PmqxAlrZeFeWqK+jy4SEcAn1ev > 4P3ZmJjGP9piZRpZnUXsOro3 > =BrJV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----