From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Fri May 10 17:32:33 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.imc.org [208.184.76.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA19397 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g4ALJYP26982 for ietf-ediint-bks; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ALJWL26978 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA18397; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205102119.RAA18397@ietf.org> To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: RFC Editor , Internet Architecture Board , ietf-ediint@imc.org From: The IESG Subject: Protocol Action: MIME-based Secure EDI to Proposed Standard Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:19:22 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft 'MIME-based Secure EDI' as a Proposed Standard. This document is the product of the Electronic Data Interchange-Internet Integration Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Ned Freed and Patrik Faltstrom Technical Summary This document describes how to securely exchange EDI and other business related documents using MIME and public key cryptography. The existing S/MIME and PGP mechanisms for securing message content are employed, as is the existing facility for message disposition notifications (RFC 2298). A message disposition notification extension field is defined to support signed receipts. Working Group Summary These documents are products of the EDIINT working group. Protocol Quality These documents were reveiwed by Ned Freed for the IESG. From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Mon May 13 11:06:07 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.imc.org [208.184.76.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA14632 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 11:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g4DEFG013532 for ietf-ediint-bks; Mon, 13 May 2002 07:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from joy.songbird.com (IDENT:root@songbird.com [208.184.79.7]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DEFFL13526 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 07:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bbprime.dcrocker.net (208.184.79.252.songbird.com [208.184.79.252] (may be forged)) by joy.songbird.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03161 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 07:16:19 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.1.2.2.20020513071432.01b6d5d0@jay.songbird.com> X-Sender: dhc2@jay.songbird.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1.3 (Beta) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 07:15:01 -0700 To: ietf-ediint@imc.org From: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: Protocol Action: MIME-based Secure EDI to Proposed Standard In-Reply-To: <200205102119.RAA18397@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 05:19 PM 5/10/2002 -0400, The IESG wrote: >The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft 'MIME-based Secure EDI' > as a Proposed Standard. wow. congrats! d/ ---------- Dave Crocker TribalWise, Inc. tel +1.408.246.8253; fax +1.408.850.1850 From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Fri May 31 12:50:49 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22161 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g4VGNrn00114 for ietf-ediint-bks; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12103.mail.yahoo.com (web12103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.23]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4VGNqg00110 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20020531162354.54745.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.10.34.198] by web12103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:23:54 PDT Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:23:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Cumming Reply-To: pcumming@yahoo.com Subject: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS? To: ietf-ediint@imc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: We have a few (3-5) clients who would like to receive EDI via FTP or HTTPS We would send the file to them (from Unix or Windows), they would receive it. Of course we could use standard FTP. However is there some way to send an encrpyted FTP? I have heard of Kermit, SSH, and PGP. Not sure which if any is the correct, low cost and easiest approach for us to first encrpyt and then FTP/HTTPS (not sure how) over the Internet to our 2-4 customers. 1. What is the best approach and how would one set-up to run unattended? What software is needed on both ends? Note that we are the sender so we will not need much. 2. Supposedly the SAP Business Connector has the ability to send via SSL over the Internet. How does this work? We could then send our ship notice to the customer through this. Not sure of the mechanices, what is needed on each end, how we would send it, etc.. Thanks for any guidance. Peter pcumming@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Fri May 31 13:19:12 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA23009 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g4VH49m01483 for ietf-ediint-bks; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fxshpr06.extra.daimlerchrysler.com (firewall-user@fxshpr08.extra.daimlerchrysler.com [129.9.80.165]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VH48g01479 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by fxshpr06.extra.daimlerchrysler.com (8.11.4/8.9.0) id g4VH5l628101; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nodnsquery(129.9.202.19) by fxshpr08.extra.daimlerchrysler.com via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAXYaG42; Fri, 31 May 02 13:05:47 -0400 Received: from CLDE00009JZ6511.pop3hub.is.chrysler.com ([53.231.5.220]) by odmrspr1-pf0.oddc.chrysler.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/daimlerchrysler-relay-1.1-kcd) with ESMTP id g4VH47T01452; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020531130130.017bc8b8@pop3hub.is.chrysler.com> X-Sender: cdp@pop3hub.is.chrysler.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:04:03 -0400 To: pcumming@yahoo.com, ietf-ediint@imc.org From: Dean Pierson Subject: Re: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS? In-Reply-To: <20020531162354.54745.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_22348004==_.ALT" Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --=====================_22348004==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed We do not support FTP over the internet for EDI. To use that, you have to have an ANX connection - $$$$. If you want to use the Internet, you will have to use HTTP/S and to use that you can write or buy software. See our site at http://extranet.daimlerchrysler.com/general/ebmx/ then navigate to the section on internet protocols. At 09:23 AM 5/31/2002 -0700, Peter Cumming wrote: >We have a few (3-5) clients who would like to receive >EDI via FTP or HTTPS > >We would send the file to them (from Unix or >Windows), they would receive it. > >Of course we could use standard FTP. However is >there some way to send an encrpyted FTP? >I have heard of Kermit, SSH, and PGP. Not sure >which if any is the correct, low cost and easiest >approach for us to first encrpyt and then FTP/HTTPS >(not sure how) over the Internet to our 2-4 customers. > > >1. What is the best approach and how would one >set-up to run unattended? >What software is needed on both ends? >Note that we are the sender so we will not need much. > > >2. Supposedly the SAP Business Connector has the >ability to send via SSL over the Internet. How >does this work? We could then send our ship notice to >the customer through this. Not sure of the mechanices, >what is needed on each end, how we would send it, >etc.. > >Thanks for any guidance. >Peter >pcumming@yahoo.com > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --=====================_22348004==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" We do not support FTP over the internet for EDI.  To use that, you have to
have an ANX connection - $$$$.

If you want to use the Internet, you will have to use HTTP/S and to use that you
can write or buy software.  See our site at
http://extranet.daimlerchrysler.com/general/ebmx/
then navigate to the section on internet protocols.






At 09:23 AM 5/31/2002 -0700, Peter Cumming wrote:

We have a few (3-5) clients who would like to receive
EDI via FTP or HTTPS

We would send the file to them (from Unix or
Windows), they would receive it.

Of course we could use standard FTP. However is
there some way to send an encrpyted FTP?
I have heard of Kermit, SSH, and PGP. Not sure
which if any is the correct, low cost and easiest
approach for us to first encrpyt and then FTP/HTTPS
(not sure how) over the Internet to our 2-4 customers.


1. What is the best approach and how would one
set-up  to run unattended?
What software is needed on both ends?
Note that we are the sender so we will not need much.
 

2. Supposedly the SAP Business Connector has the
ability to send via SSL over the Internet. How
does this work? We could then send our ship notice to
the customer through this. Not sure of the mechanices,
what is needed on each end, how we would send it,
etc..

Thanks for any guidance.
Peter
pcumming@yahoo.com


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

--=====================_22348004==_.ALT-- From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Fri May 31 14:36:06 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA26172 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g4VIKXL03939 for ietf-ediint-bks; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 204.246.201.163 ([204.246.201.163]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VIKVg03935 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ENSW2000S06 ([204.246.201.175]) by 204.246.201.163 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 31 May 2002 11:10:45 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Shan Harter" To: "'Dean Pierson'" , , Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS? Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:18:45 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c208cf$9a6bbe40$6400a8c0@syscorp.systrends.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C20894.EE0CE640" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) in-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20020531130130.017bc8b8@pop3hub.is.chrysler.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 0000000056897C0D893FAD4F9B3F1A00227CF3C004306E00 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2002 18:10:45.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BD1D6F0:01C208CE] Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C20894.EE0CE640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You could try some of the EDIINT products out there. One would be Cyclone or IPnet. Systrends also has some industry compatible solutions. all of them require that they have a product that is compatible and all of them are secure transports. Some offer non-repudiation of receipt which removes any denial of send or receive. ----Original Message----- From: Dean Pierson [mailto:cdp@daimlerchrysler.com] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:04 AM To: pcumming@yahoo.com; ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: Re: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS? We do not support FTP over the internet for EDI. To use that, you have to have an ANX connection - $$$$. If you want to use the Internet, you will have to use HTTP/S and to use that you can write or buy software. See our site at http://extranet.daimlerchrysler.com/general/ebmx/ then navigate to the section on internet protocols. At 09:23 AM 5/31/2002 -0700, Peter Cumming wrote: We have a few (3-5) clients who would like to receive EDI via FTP or HTTPS We would send the file to them (from Unix or Windows), they would receive it. Of course we could use standard FTP. However is there some way to send an encrpyted FTP? I have heard of Kermit, SSH, and PGP. Not sure which if any is the correct, low cost and easiest approach for us to first encrpyt and then FTP/HTTPS (not sure how) over the Internet to our 2-4 customers. 1. What is the best approach and how would one set-up to run unattended? What software is needed on both ends? Note that we are the sender so we will not need much. 2. Supposedly the SAP Business Connector has the ability to send via SSL over the Internet. How does this work? We could then send our ship notice to the customer through this. Not sure of the mechanices, what is needed on each end, how we would send it, etc.. Thanks for any guidance. Peter pcumming@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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usclwecon02.techdata.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:01:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Huestis, Paul" To: pcumming@yahoo.com, ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTP S? Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:01:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C208D5.96F01ADF" Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C208D5.96F01ADF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A possible solution is using SSL to send documents via FTP. You could get an SSL server, about $450-600US, generate the SSL certificate needed per Trading Partner and send the certificate to the Trading Partner. This allows you to control the certificates and reduces security risks. The Trading Partner would need to get an FTP Server with SSL capabilities, about $40. -----Original Message----- From: Shan Harter [mailto:shan@systrends.com] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:19 PM To: 'Dean Pierson'; pcumming@yahoo.com; ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS? You could try some of the EDIINT products out there. One would be Cyclone or IPnet. Systrends also has some industry compatible solutions. all of them require that they have a product that is compatible and all of them are secure transports. Some offer non-repudiation of receipt which removes any denial of send or receive. ----Original Message----- From: Dean Pierson [mailto:cdp@daimlerchrysler.com] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:04 AM To: pcumming@yahoo.com; ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: Re: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS? We do not support FTP over the internet for EDI. To use that, you have to have an ANX connection - $$$$. If you want to use the Internet, you will have to use HTTP/S and to use that you can write or buy software. See our site at http://extranet.daimlerchrysler.com/general/ebmx/ then navigate to the section on internet protocols. At 09:23 AM 5/31/2002 -0700, Peter Cumming wrote: We have a few (3-5) clients who would like to receive EDI via FTP or HTTPS We would send the file to them (from Unix or Windows), they would receive it. Of course we could use standard FTP. However is there some way to send an encrpyted FTP? I have heard of Kermit, SSH, and PGP. Not sure which if any is the correct, low cost and easiest approach for us to first encrpyt and then FTP/HTTPS (not sure how) over the Internet to our 2-4 customers. 1. What is the best approach and how would one set-up to run unattended? What software is needed on both ends? Note that we are the sender so we will not need much. 2. Supposedly the SAP Business Connector has the ability to send via SSL over the Internet. How does this work? We could then send our ship notice to the customer through this. Not sure of the mechanices, what is needed on each end, how we would send it, etc.. Thanks for any guidance. Peter pcumming@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C208D5.96F01ADF Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
A possible solution is using SSL to send documents via FTP. You could get an SSL server, about $450-600US, generate the SSL certificate needed per Trading Partner and send the certificate to the Trading Partner. This allows you to control the certificates and reduces security risks. The Trading Partner would need to get an FTP Server with SSL capabilities, about $40. 
-----Original Message-----
From: Shan Harter [mailto:shan@systrends.com]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:19 PM
To: 'Dean Pierson'; pcumming@yahoo.com; ietf-ediint@imc.org
Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS?

You could try some of the EDIINT products out there. One would be Cyclone or IPnet. Systrends also has some industry compatible solutions.
all of them require that they have a product that is compatible and all of them are secure transports. Some offer non-repudiation of receipt which removes any denial of send or receive.
 
----Original Message-----
From: Dean Pierson [mailto:cdp@daimlerchrysler.com]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:04 AM
To: pcumming@yahoo.com; ietf-ediint@imc.org
Subject: Re: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS?

We do not support FTP over the internet for EDI.  To use that, you have to
have an ANX connection - $$$$.

If you want to use the Internet, you will have to use HTTP/S and to use that you
can write or buy software.  See our site at
http://extranet.daimlerchrysler.com/general/ebmx/
then navigate to the section on internet protocols.






At 09:23 AM 5/31/2002 -0700, Peter Cumming wrote:

We have a few (3-5) clients who would like to receive
EDI via FTP or HTTPS

We would send the file to them (from Unix or
Windows), they would receive it.

Of course we could use standard FTP. However is
there some way to send an encrpyted FTP?
I have heard of Kermit, SSH, and PGP. Not sure
which if any is the correct, low cost and easiest
approach for us to first encrpyt and then FTP/HTTPS
(not sure how) over the Internet to our 2-4 customers.


1. What is the best approach and how would one
set-up  to run unattended?
What software is needed on both ends?
Note that we are the sender so we will not need much.
 

2. Supposedly the SAP Business Connector has the
ability to send via SSL over the Internet. How
does this work? We could then send our ship notice to
the customer through this. Not sure of the mechanices,
what is needed on each end, how we would send it,
etc..

Thanks for any guidance.
Peter
pcumming@yahoo.com


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C208D5.96F01ADF-- From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Fri May 31 15:57:14 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA02556 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g4VJfJL07756 for ietf-ediint-bks; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fxodpr10.extra.daimlerchrysler.com (firewall-user@fxodpr13.extra.daimlerchrysler.com [129.9.82.74]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VJfIg07752 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by fxodpr10.extra.daimlerchrysler.com (8.11.4/8.9.0) id g4VJcYl26493; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nodnsquery(129.9.202.19) by fxodpr13.extra.daimlerchrysler.com via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAu0aGVZ; Fri, 31 May 02 15:38:34 -0400 Received: from CLDE00009JZ6511.pop3hub.is.chrysler.com ([53.231.5.220]) by odmrspr1-pf0.oddc.chrysler.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/daimlerchrysler-relay-1.1-kcd) with ESMTP id g4VJfDT09925; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020531153749.016b26b0@pop3hub.is.chrysler.com> X-Sender: cdp@pop3hub.is.chrysler.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:41:10 -0400 To: , "'Dean Pierson'" , , From: Dean Pierson Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS? In-Reply-To: <001601c208cf$9a6bbe40$6400a8c0@syscorp.systrends.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020531130130.017bc8b8@pop3hub.is.chrysler.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_31774349==_.ALT" Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --=====================_31774349==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Our EDIINT AS1 product has a bug being worked on, so not advertised. However, I favor HTTP/S because it is a relatively synchronous process where Email can get badly delayed sometimes. When we get a bug fix to our AS1 (iPlanet) we'll put it on line...we get into an infinite, very fast write loop...and we don't like that. At 11:18 AM 5/31/2002 -0700, Shan Harter wrote: >You could try some of the EDIINT products out there. One would be Cyclone or >IPnet. Systrends also has some industry compatible solutions. >all of them require that they have a product that is compatible and all of >them are secure transports. Some offer non-repudiation of receipt which >removes any denial of send or receive. > >----Original Message----- >From: Dean Pierson [mailto:cdp@daimlerchrysler.com] >Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:04 AM >To: pcumming@yahoo.com; ietf-ediint@imc.org >Subject: Re: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS? > > > >We do not support FTP over the internet for EDI. To use that, you have to >have an ANX connection - $$$$. > >If you want to use the Internet, you will have to use HTTP/S and to use that >you >can write or buy software. See our site at >http://extranet.daimlerchrysler.com/general/ebmx/ > >then navigate to the section on internet protocols. > > > > > > >At 09:23 AM 5/31/2002 -0700, Peter Cumming wrote: > > > >We have a few (3-5) clients who would like to receive >EDI via FTP or HTTPS > >We would send the file to them (from Unix or >Windows), they would receive it. > >Of course we could use standard FTP. However is >there some way to send an encrpyted FTP? >I have heard of Kermit, SSH, and PGP. Not sure >which if any is the correct, low cost and easiest >approach for us to first encrpyt and then FTP/HTTPS >(not sure how) over the Internet to our 2-4 customers. > > >1. What is the best approach and how would one >set-up to run unattended? >What software is needed on both ends? >Note that we are the sender so we will not need much. > > >2. Supposedly the SAP Business Connector has the >ability to send via SSL over the Internet. How >does this work? We could then send our ship notice to >the customer through this. Not sure of the mechanices, >what is needed on each end, how we would send it, >etc.. > >Thanks for any guidance. >Peter >pcumming@yahoo.com > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > --=====================_31774349==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Our EDIINT AS1 product has a bug being worked on, so not advertised. 
However, I favor HTTP/S because it is a relatively synchronous process
where Email can get badly delayed sometimes.  When we get a bug fix
to our AS1 (iPlanet) we'll put it on line...we get into an infinite, very fast
write loop...and we don't like that.


At 11:18 AM 5/31/2002 -0700, Shan Harter wrote:
You could try some of the EDIINT products out there. One would be Cyclone or
IPnet. Systrends also has some industry compatible solutions.
all of them require that they have a product that is compatible and all of
them are secure transports. Some offer non-repudiation of receipt which
removes any denial of send or receive.
 
----Original Message-----
From: Dean Pierson [mailto:cdp@daimlerchrysler.com]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:04 AM
To: pcumming@yahoo.com; ietf-ediint@imc.org
Subject: Re: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS?



We do not support FTP over the internet for EDI.  To use that, you have to
have an ANX connection - $$$$.

If you want to use the Internet, you will have to use HTTP/S and to use that
you
can write or buy software.  See our site at
http://extranet.daimlerchrysler.com/general/ebmx/
<http://extranet.daimlerchrysler.com/general/ebmx/> 
then navigate to the section on internet protocols.






At 09:23 AM 5/31/2002 -0700, Peter Cumming wrote:



We have a few (3-5) clients who would like to receive
EDI via FTP or HTTPS

We would send the file to them (from Unix or
Windows), they would receive it.

Of course we could use standard FTP. However is
there some way to send an encrpyted FTP?
I have heard of Kermit, SSH, and PGP. Not sure
which if any is the correct, low cost and easiest
approach for us to first encrpyt and then FTP/HTTPS
(not sure how) over the Internet to our 2-4 customers.


1. What is the best approach and how would one
set-up  to run unattended?
What software is needed on both ends?
Note that we are the sender so we will not need much.
 

2. Supposedly the SAP Business Connector has the
ability to send via SSL over the Internet. How
does this work? We could then send our ship notice to
the customer through this. Not sure of the mechanices,
what is needed on each end, how we would send it,
etc..

Thanks for any guidance.
Peter
pcumming@yahoo.com


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com <http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/>



--=====================_31774349==_.ALT-- From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Fri May 31 17:02:27 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA04581 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g4VKkvT08981 for ietf-ediint-bks; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 204.246.201.163 ([204.246.201.163]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VKktg08975 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ENSW2000S06 ([204.246.201.175]) by 204.246.201.163 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 31 May 2002 13:37:10 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Shan Harter" To: "'Mcgregor, Keith'" , "'Dean Pierson'" , , Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS? Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:45:11 -0700 Message-ID: <004f01c208e4$0f8cb300$6400a8c0@syscorp.systrends.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01C208A9.632DDB00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) in-reply-to: <1E349879B413AB4B93F23EF3C785856F028CBF90@troy-exch1.handleman.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 0000000056897C0D893FAD4F9B3F1A00227CF3C044346E00 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2002 20:37:10.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[F037E020:01C208E2] Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C208A9.632DDB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You certain can do this, PGP license is $10,000 to use in production environment. You are better off using GNUPG for free. Your file is pretty much secure, but your data file itself is not (transport). If there was some hostile intent to just say grab all your orders (not knowing they are orders of course) with the hacker not caring about content, he can still harm. FTP passes user id and passwords in the clear . You don't have guaranteed delivery so your taking chances there. The process also does not persist a receipt of any kind. So if I send you a file and you say no I did not, that contention will always be a possibility. -----Original Message----- From: Mcgregor, Keith [mailto:Keith.Mcgregor@handleman.com] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 12:55 PM To: Harter, Shan; Dean Pierson; pcumming@yahoo.com; ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS? I don't see why you can't use PGP with FTP. Trade public keys with your trading partner and you're on your way. Sure, you won't have all the *bells & whistles* that you'd get with a Cyclone or IPNet, but as long as both partners understand and agree to that, who's to say you couldn't / shouldn't go that route? Just my 2 cents. Keith McGregor Manager, EDI Handleman Company Phone: (248) 362-4400 x629 Fax: (248) 362-5367 E-mail: keith.mcgregor@handleman.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Shan Harter Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:19 PM To: 'Dean Pierson'; pcumming@yahoo.com; ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS? You could try some of the EDIINT products out there. One would be Cyclone or IPnet. Systrends also has some industry compatible solutions. all of them require that they have a product that is compatible and all of them are secure transports. Some offer non-repudiation of receipt which removes any denial of send or receive. ----Original Message----- From: Dean Pierson [mailto:cdp@daimlerchrysler.com] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:04 AM To: pcumming@yahoo.com; ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: Re: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTPS? We do not support FTP over the internet for EDI. To use that, you have to have an ANX connection - $$$$. If you want to use the Internet, you will have to use HTTP/S and to use that you can write or buy software. See our site at http://extranet.daimlerchrysler.com/general/ebmx/ then navigate to the section on internet protocols. At 09:23 AM 5/31/2002 -0700, Peter Cumming wrote: We have a few (3-5) clients who would like to receive EDI via FTP or HTTPS We would send the file to them (from Unix or Windows), they would receive it. Of course we could use standard FTP. However is there some way to send an encrpyted FTP? I have heard of Kermit, SSH, and PGP. Not sure which if any is the correct, low cost and easiest approach for us to first encrpyt and then FTP/HTTPS (not sure how) over the Internet to our 2-4 customers. 1. What is the best approach and how would one set-up to run unattended? What software is needed on both ends? Note that we are the sender so we will not need much. 2. Supposedly the SAP Business Connector has the ability to send via SSL over the Internet. How does this work? We could then send our ship notice to the customer through this. Not sure of the mechanices, what is needed on each end, how we would send it, etc.. Thanks for any guidance. Peter pcumming@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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2002 13:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VKp6g09058 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sv ([12.234.202.224]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020531205103.JCGZ11183.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@sv>; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:51:03 +0000 From: "Carl Hage" To: pcumming@yahoo.com, ietf-ediint@imc.org Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:50:59 -0700 Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTP S? In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <20020531205103.JCGZ11183.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@sv> Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: From: "Huestis, Paul" > A possible solution is using SSL to send documents via FTP. Don't forget about good old email. You can exchange signed and encrypted messages with manual email programs like Netscape and Outlook-Express, or by software using the openssl package. If you add signed receipts and are careful about the way messages are sent, you end up following the EDIINT specification. This is more secure than SSL-FTP/HTTP, adding non-repudiation instead of just authenticating logins. Data can be stored securely, not just transmitted securely. There isn't a big difference transmitting EDIINT MIME wrapped data via SMTP or HTTP, but there is a big difference between these and transmitting base data by S-FTP and HTTPS. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl Hage C. Hage Associates Voice/Fax: 1-408-244-8410 1180 Reed Ave #51 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Fri May 31 17:33:12 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA05317 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g4VLFDa09834 for ietf-ediint-bks; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 204.246.201.163 ([204.246.201.163]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VLFBg09828 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ENSW2000S06 ([204.246.201.175]) by 204.246.201.163 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 31 May 2002 14:05:26 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Shan Harter" To: "'Carl Hage'" , , Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTP S? Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:13:27 -0700 Message-ID: <006201c208e8$025c3f30$6400a8c0@syscorp.systrends.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01C208AD.55FD6730" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) in-reply-to: <20020531205103.JCGZ11183.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@sv> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 0000000056897C0D893FAD4F9B3F1A00227CF3C0A4356E00 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2002 21:05:26.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3137A40:01C208E6] Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C208AD.55FD6730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ever received an email 30 days later than sent? -----Original Message----- From: Carl Hage [mailto:carl@chage.com] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:51 PM To: pcumming@yahoo.com; ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTP S? From: "Huestis, Paul" > A possible solution is using SSL to send documents via FTP. Don't forget about good old email. You can exchange signed and encrypted messages with manual email programs like Netscape and Outlook-Express, or by software using the openssl package. If you add signed receipts and are careful about the way messages are sent, you end up following the EDIINT specification. This is more secure than SSL-FTP/HTTP, adding non-repudiation instead of just authenticating logins. Data can be stored securely, not just transmitted securely. There isn't a big difference transmitting EDIINT MIME wrapped data via SMTP or HTTP, but there is a big difference between these and transmitting base data by S-FTP and HTTPS. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl Hage C. 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(scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VLiZg10412 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1cust155.tnt2.williamsburg.va.da.uu.net ([67.201.74.155] helo=dev1) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17DuCE-0006Kz-00; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:44:31 -0700 Message-ID: <00fd01c20905$81af7000$0b01a8c0@dev1> From: "Pae Choi" To: , "'Carl Hage'" , , References: <006201c208e8$025c3f30$6400a8c0@syscorp.systrends.com> Subject: Re: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTP S? Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:44:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course, that is why it's called "Store-&-Forward" mechanism. But it does not guarantee "How soon it will get there!" Maybe we need new email service that guarantee the delivery within a given time, e.g., Fedex or UPS style guarantee delivery. :-) So the business folks can make new marketing slogan, "We guarantee to deliver your email within 30 days!" :-) Pae ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shan Harter" To: "'Carl Hage'" ; ; Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTP S? > Ever received an email 30 days later than sent? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Hage [mailto:carl@chage.com] > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:51 PM > To: pcumming@yahoo.com; ietf-ediint@imc.org > Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTP > S? > > > > > From: "Huestis, Paul" > > A possible solution is using SSL to send documents via FTP. > > Don't forget about good old email. You can exchange signed and > encrypted messages with manual email programs like Netscape and > Outlook-Express, or by software using the openssl package. > > If you add signed receipts and are careful about the way messages are > sent, you end up following the EDIINT specification. > > This is more secure than SSL-FTP/HTTP, adding non-repudiation > instead of just authenticating logins. Data can be stored securely, not > just transmitted securely. > > There isn't a big difference transmitting EDIINT MIME wrapped data via > SMTP or HTTP, but there is a big difference between these and > transmitting base data by S-FTP and HTTPS. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Carl Hage C. Hage Associates > < mailto:carl@chage.com > Voice/Fax: 1-408-244-8410 > 1180 Reed Ave #51 > < http://www.chage.com/chage/ > > Sunnyvale, CA 94086 > > From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Fri May 31 18:30:04 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA06029 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 18:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g4VM9XQ10967 for ietf-ediint-bks; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 204.246.201.163 ([204.246.201.163]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VM9Vg10963 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ENSW2000S06 ([68.2.83.236]) by 204.246.201.163 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 31 May 2002 14:59:44 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Shan Harter" To: "'Pae Choi'" , "'Carl Hage'" , , Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTP S? Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:07:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c208ef$95c61d70$6705a8c0@syscorp.systrends.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C208B4.E968CC10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 0000000056897C0D893FAD4F9B3F1A00227CF3C0E4366E00 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00fd01c20905$81af7000$0b01a8c0@dev1> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2002 21:59:44.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[79084920:01C208EE] Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C208B4.E968CC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a good idea, ebizMail? SBMP (Simple Business Mail Protocol?) baselined by TCP/IP routed by ebXML messages? -----Original Message----- From: Pae Choi [mailto:paechoi@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 5:45 PM To: Harter, Shan; Carl Hage; pcumming@yahoo.com; ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: Re: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTP S? Of course, that is why it's called "Store-&-Forward" mechanism. But it does not guarantee "How soon it will get there!" Maybe we need new email service that guarantee the delivery within a given time, e.g., Fedex or UPS style guarantee delivery. :-) So the business folks can make new marketing slogan, "We guarantee to deliver your email within 30 days!" :-) Pae ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shan Harter" To: "'Carl Hage'" ; ; Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTP S? > Ever received an email 30 days later than sent? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Hage [ mailto:carl@chage.com ] > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:51 PM > To: pcumming@yahoo.com; ietf-ediint@imc.org > Subject: RE: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTP > S? > > > > > From: "Huestis, Paul" > > A possible solution is using SSL to send documents via FTP. > > Don't forget about good old email. You can exchange signed and > encrypted messages with manual email programs like Netscape and > Outlook-Express, or by software using the openssl package. > > If you add signed receipts and are careful about the way messages are > sent, you end up following the EDIINT specification. > > This is more secure than SSL-FTP/HTTP, adding non-repudiation > instead of just authenticating logins. Data can be stored securely, not > just transmitted securely. > > There isn't a big difference transmitting EDIINT MIME wrapped data via > SMTP or HTTP, but there is a big difference between these and > transmitting base data by S-FTP and HTTPS. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Carl Hage C. 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do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTP S? In-reply-to: <00fd01c20905$81af7000$0b01a8c0@dev1> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <20020531221645.XSDH13253.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@sv> Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: From: "Pae Choi" [RE: SMTP/email] > Of course, that is why it's called "Store-&-Forward" mechanism. > But it does not guarantee "How soon it will get there!" Store-and-Forward comes from the old days when people had dialup modems. The best guarantee is to deliver directly without forwarding. Of course, if you want to send a message but can't reach another server you have a problem-- same as if you used http/ftp I wonder why spammers are the only ones to figure this out. The tragedy is that a good way to get rid of junk mail is to delete mail that doesn't appear to be store-and-forward. > Maybe we need new email service that guarantee the delivery > within a given time, e.g., Fedex or UPS style guarantee delivery. :-) You can use Fedex to send a package to your neighbor, but it's more reliable to walk over and give it to them personally. Same for smtp email. I suppose there could be a business that runs high availabliity, geographically isolated redundant servers that can perform an assured delivery with store and forward if needed, plus archiving. In theory it could be more reliable than your own computer, which could crash and corrupt it's files. But a backup-only service is just as good and maybe better in some ways. ... > > Ever received an email 30 days later than sent? No, but I've received very delayed email, as have friends. At least I've received it! Ever tried accessing a web site and got a connection timed out? The real issue is how do you deal with the situation when a direct delivery can't be made. From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Fri May 31 20:37:36 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA07502 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g510KAN13231 for ietf-ediint-bks; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com (mauve.mrochek.com [209.55.107.55]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g510K9g13227 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01KIDSP695PC0001B1@mauve.mrochek.com> for ietf-ediint@imc.org; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 16:54:58 -0700 (PDT) From: ned.freed@mrochek.com Subject: Re: How do I send EDI file securely over Internet via FTP or HTTP S? In-reply-to: "Your message dated Fri, 31 May 2002 15:16:41 -0700" <20020531221645.XSDH13253.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@sv> To: Carl Hage Cc: ietf-ediint@imc.org Message-id: <01KIDVXOUCDO0001B1@mauve.mrochek.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <00fd01c20905$81af7000$0b01a8c0@dev1> <20020531221645.XSDH13253.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@sv> Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > Of course, that is why it's called "Store-&-Forward" mechanism. > > But it does not guarantee "How soon it will get there!" > Store-and-Forward comes from the old days when people had dialup > modems. The best guarantee is to deliver directly without forwarding. > Of course, if you want to send a message but can't reach another > server you have a problem-- same as if you used http/ftp > I wonder why spammers are the only ones to figure this out. The > tragedy is that a good way to get rid of junk mail is to delete mail that > doesn't appear to be store-and-forward. More generally, just because a protocol has a capability doesn't mean you have to use it. General network-wide email facilities need store and forward. But nothing prevents you from setting up a special SMTP link just for EDI that bypasses general email facilities. Such a system is only constrained by the characteristics of single-hop SMTP, not by the characteristics of what's deployed elsewhere. Lots of email software exists that can be configured this way. > > Maybe we need new email service that guarantee the delivery > > within a given time, e.g., Fedex or UPS style guarantee delivery. :-) > You can use Fedex to send a package to your neighbor, but it's more > reliable to walk over and give it to them personally. Same for smtp > email. I've always found the notion of a delivery guarantee somewhat amusing. in the final analysis nothing can actually make such a guarantee. No amount of protocol shopping changes the fact that the bits don't get through when the network is down. You can try harder and you can lower the number of intermediaries and you can guard against various failure cases, but in the limit the various protocols tend to coalesce in this regard. Ned