From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Thu Feb 27 10:22:50 2003 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA07825 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1RExdb10125 for ietf-ediint-bks; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:59:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from drummondgroup.com (drummondgroup.com [161.58.166.198]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1RExcY10117 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:59:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from RIKDGI (c66.169.103.180.ts46v-02.mhe2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [66.169.103.180]) by drummondgroup.com (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RExXaD023444 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:59:39 -0700 (MST) From: "Rik Drummond" To: Subject: EDINT WG - five Suggestions Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:59:10 -0600 Organization: Drummond Group Inc. Message-ID: <000f01c2de70$cf0fae50$0300a8c0@RIKDGI> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well twenty three products just passed the as2 s/mime profile for ucc. From this test we found some more clarity problems, but they were minor. Also in the current v12 draft we found a couple of examples that were incorrect. I suggest the following: - we submit the v13 draft, with these changes above, with the name ietf-ediint-as2-u or ietf-ediint-as2-s - we spend march reviewing it to ensure it is clear - we see if it is complete and if so send it on for a last call, a precedent for rfc status - dick brooks please send me a ietf-ediint-as2-g-v13 or ietf-ediint-as2-p-v13 document so that we can get it on the ietf drafts page for comment and review Notice that I have offered two different names for the gisb and ucc drafts names. - the as2-g and as2-u versions indicate industries respectively gisb and ucc - I suggest we name them as2-p and as2-s to indicate technologies pgp and smime respectively so that we do not limit either to an industry -- preceptionally Please give me your feed back.... Best regards, rik From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Thu Feb 27 12:32:08 2003 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13197 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1RHEZs20499 for ietf-ediint-bks; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.tech-comm.com (ns3.tech-comm.com [209.149.125.161]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1RHEVY20492 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from LAW2KN008 (host74.systrends.com [65.244.195.74] (may be forged)) by www.tech-comm.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h1RIsL226870; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:54:21 -0600 From: "Dick Brooks" To: "Rik Drummond" , Cc: , , "Pete Whatley" Subject: RE: EDINT WG - five Suggestions Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:14:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <000f01c2de70$cf0fae50$0300a8c0@RIKDGI> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rik, The North American Energy Standards Board (http://www.naesb.org/) is currently reviewing the situation regarding AS2; several options are under consideration. I cannot commit to any further AS2 development until the NAESB membership (http://www.naesb.org/pdf/memstats.pdf) has had ample time to review and discuss the matter. Thank you, Dick Brooks Systrends, Inc 7855 South River Parkway, Suite 111 Tempe, Arizona 85284 Web: www.systrends.com Phone:480.756.6777,Mobile:602-684-1484,eFax:240-352-0714 -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Rik Drummond Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:59 AM To: ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: EDINT WG - five Suggestions Well twenty three products just passed the as2 s/mime profile for ucc. >From this test we found some more clarity problems, but they were minor. Also in the current v12 draft we found a couple of examples that were incorrect. I suggest the following: - we submit the v13 draft, with these changes above, with the name ietf-ediint-as2-u or ietf-ediint-as2-s - we spend march reviewing it to ensure it is clear - we see if it is complete and if so send it on for a last call, a precedent for rfc status - dick brooks please send me a ietf-ediint-as2-g-v13 or ietf-ediint-as2-p-v13 document so that we can get it on the ietf drafts page for comment and review Notice that I have offered two different names for the gisb and ucc drafts names. - the as2-g and as2-u versions indicate industries respectively gisb and ucc - I suggest we name them as2-p and as2-s to indicate technologies pgp and smime respectively so that we do not limit either to an industry -- preceptionally Please give me your feed back.... Best regards, rik From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Thu Feb 27 13:06:10 2003 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA14463 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1RHpLN23262 for ietf-ediint-bks; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:51:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from drummondgroup.com (drummondgroup.com [161.58.166.198]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1RHpJY23258 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from RIKDGI (c66.169.103.180.ts46v-02.mhe2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [66.169.103.180]) by drummondgroup.com (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RHpHOD062345; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:51:17 -0700 (MST) From: "Rik Drummond" To: "'Dick Brooks'" , Cc: , , "'Pete Whatley'" Subject: RE: EDINT WG - five Suggestions Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:50:50 -0600 Organization: Drummond Group Inc. Message-ID: <000c01c2de88$c95c67b0$0300a8c0@RIKDGI> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you want me to put the old v11 up also as a holding action until you are ready? -----Original Message----- From: Dick Brooks [mailto:dick@tech-comm.com] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:15 AM To: Rik Drummond; ietf-ediint@imc.org Cc: naesb1@aol.com; jhb@8760.com; Pete Whatley Subject: RE: EDINT WG - five Suggestions Rik, The North American Energy Standards Board (http://www.naesb.org/) is currently reviewing the situation regarding AS2; several options are under consideration. I cannot commit to any further AS2 development until the NAESB membership (http://www.naesb.org/pdf/memstats.pdf) has had ample time to review and discuss the matter. Thank you, Dick Brooks Systrends, Inc 7855 South River Parkway, Suite 111 Tempe, Arizona 85284 Web: www.systrends.com Phone:480.756.6777,Mobile:602-684-1484,eFax:240-352-0714 -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Rik Drummond Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:59 AM To: ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: EDINT WG - five Suggestions Well twenty three products just passed the as2 s/mime profile for ucc. >From this test we found some more clarity problems, but they were minor. Also in the current v12 draft we found a couple of examples that were incorrect. I suggest the following: - we submit the v13 draft, with these changes above, with the name ietf-ediint-as2-u or ietf-ediint-as2-s - we spend march reviewing it to ensure it is clear - we see if it is complete and if so send it on for a last call, a precedent for rfc status - dick brooks please send me a ietf-ediint-as2-g-v13 or ietf-ediint-as2-p-v13 document so that we can get it on the ietf drafts page for comment and review Notice that I have offered two different names for the gisb and ucc drafts names. - the as2-g and as2-u versions indicate industries respectively gisb and ucc - I suggest we name them as2-p and as2-s to indicate technologies pgp and smime respectively so that we do not limit either to an industry -- preceptionally Please give me your feed back.... Best regards, rik From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Thu Feb 27 13:21:12 2003 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15076 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1RI8el24499 for ietf-ediint-bks; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.tech-comm.com (ns3.tech-comm.com [209.149.125.161]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1RI8dY24495 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:08:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from LAW2KN008 (host74.systrends.com [65.244.195.74] (may be forged)) by www.tech-comm.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h1RJmT227098; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:48:29 -0600 From: "Dick Brooks" To: "Rik Drummond" , "'Dick Brooks'" , Cc: , , "'Pete Whatley'" Subject: RE: EDINT WG - five Suggestions Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:08:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <000c01c2de88$c95c67b0$0300a8c0@RIKDGI> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. Thanks, Dick Brooks Systrends, Inc 7855 South River Parkway, Suite 111 Tempe, Arizona 85284 Web: www.systrends.com Phone:480.756.6777,Mobile:602-684-1484,eFax:240-352-0714 -----Original Message----- From: Rik Drummond [mailto:rvd2@drummondgroup.com] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:51 AM To: 'Dick Brooks'; ietf-ediint@imc.org Cc: naesb1@aol.com; jhb@8760.com; 'Pete Whatley' Subject: RE: EDINT WG - five Suggestions Do you want me to put the old v11 up also as a holding action until you are ready? -----Original Message----- From: Dick Brooks [mailto:dick@tech-comm.com] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:15 AM To: Rik Drummond; ietf-ediint@imc.org Cc: naesb1@aol.com; jhb@8760.com; Pete Whatley Subject: RE: EDINT WG - five Suggestions Rik, The North American Energy Standards Board (http://www.naesb.org/) is currently reviewing the situation regarding AS2; several options are under consideration. I cannot commit to any further AS2 development until the NAESB membership (http://www.naesb.org/pdf/memstats.pdf) has had ample time to review and discuss the matter. Thank you, Dick Brooks Systrends, Inc 7855 South River Parkway, Suite 111 Tempe, Arizona 85284 Web: www.systrends.com Phone:480.756.6777,Mobile:602-684-1484,eFax:240-352-0714 -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Rik Drummond Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:59 AM To: ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: EDINT WG - five Suggestions Well twenty three products just passed the as2 s/mime profile for ucc. >From this test we found some more clarity problems, but they were minor. Also in the current v12 draft we found a couple of examples that were incorrect. I suggest the following: - we submit the v13 draft, with these changes above, with the name ietf-ediint-as2-u or ietf-ediint-as2-s - we spend march reviewing it to ensure it is clear - we see if it is complete and if so send it on for a last call, a precedent for rfc status - dick brooks please send me a ietf-ediint-as2-g-v13 or ietf-ediint-as2-p-v13 document so that we can get it on the ietf drafts page for comment and review Notice that I have offered two different names for the gisb and ucc drafts names. - the as2-g and as2-u versions indicate industries respectively gisb and ucc - I suggest we name them as2-p and as2-s to indicate technologies pgp and smime respectively so that we do not limit either to an industry -- preceptionally Please give me your feed back.... Best regards, rik