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Subject: Lindenberg: opiniões "politicamente incorretas" vêm sendo marginalizadas                                  ref.: kxl
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<B><FONT FACE="Garamond"><P>Temas "patrulhados"</P>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Garamond" SIZE=5><P>Opini&otilde;es "politicamente incorretas" v&ecirc;m sendo marginalizadas no debate nacional, diz Lindenberg</P>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Garamond"><P>* Patrulhamento...</P>
</B><P>Em meios empresariais e religiosos continua repercutindo o livro <B>"Os cat&oacute;licos e a economia de mercado"</B>, de autoria de Adolpho Lindenberg. O trabalho denuncia uma pol&iacute;tica com vi&eacute;s esquerdista que visa censurar, marginalizar ou encobrir com um manto de sil&ecirc;ncio, not&iacute;cias, coment&aacute;rios, livros, reportagens e opini&otilde;es "politicamente incorretas", n&atilde;o afinadas com as assim denominadas "causas sociais". Noutras palavras, os meios de comunica&ccedil;&atilde;o, e a pr&oacute;pria sociedade brasileira, est&atilde;o sendo "patrulhados".</P>
<B><P>* Ant&iacute;doto</P>
</B><P>O ant&iacute;doto para esta situa&ccedil;&atilde;o de viol&ecirc;ncia psicol&oacute;gica e espiritual consiste na difus&atilde;o - por meios alternativos, se preciso for - de informa&ccedil;&otilde;es id&ocirc;neas, capazes de esclarecer a opini&atilde;o p&uacute;blica e provocar debates construtivos. Com efeito, uma vez rompidos os anteparos da censura, cada um em seu pr&oacute;prio ambiente poder&aacute;, sem medo, manifestar sua opini&atilde;o sobre os assuntos 'patrulhados'. &Eacute; a proposta inovadora de um programa de liberta&ccedil;&atilde;o ideol&oacute;gica, impulsionado pela coragem, em defesa do esclarecimento popular.</P>
<B><P>* Esclarecimento!</P>
</B><P>Esse programa tem alcance pr&aacute;tico, especialmente para os cat&oacute;licos. O destaque que, h&aacute; muitos anos, a m&iacute;dia vem dando aos pronunciamentos de bispos e sacerdotes (em geral ligados &agrave; CNBB), que favorecem as invas&otilde;es de terras promovidas pelos MST, bem como &agrave;s repetidas cr&iacute;ticas &agrave; &Aacute;rea de Livre Com&eacute;rcio das Am&eacute;ricas (ALCA), &agrave;s privatiza&ccedil;&otilde;es, &agrave; alegada amea&ccedil;a das multinacionais e do capital estrangeiro, e at&eacute; mesmo ao plantio de transg&ecirc;nicos, apresenta dois inconvenientes s&eacute;rios. Em primeiro lugar, tais pronunciamentos podem criar a impress&atilde;o de que a maioria do Episcopado e dos setores mais respons&aacute;veis do Clero brasileiro pensa como esses prelados. Em segundo, de que as teses da Teologia da Liberta&ccedil;&atilde;o t&ecirc;m fundamentos s&oacute;lidos na doutrina cat&oacute;lica. Tudo isso tem muita import&acirc;ncia pr&aacute;tica. Com efeito, na vasta rede de movimentos contestat&aacute;rios, ativa no pa&iacute;s inteiro, a ala progressista religiosa se sobressai hoje como o setor mais ativo e mais radical nas proposi&ccedil;&otilde;es. </P>
<B><P>* Tem&aacute;ticas</P>
</B><P>Diante deste cen&aacute;rio e visando alertar a opini&atilde;o p&uacute;blica cat&oacute;lica, o livro acima citado procura debater as seguintes tem&aacute;ticas:</P>
<B><P>-</B> Capitalismo, globaliza&ccedil;&atilde;o, neoliberalismo e privatiza&ccedil;&otilde;es seriam os grandes respons&aacute;veis pelos bols&otilde;es de mis&eacute;rias, desigualdades sociais e depend&ecirc;ncia externa (isto &eacute;, dos Estados Unidos)?</P>
<B><P>-</B> Os programas sociais estatais seriam a solu&ccedil;&atilde;o para combater a fome, o analfabetismo, o atraso e a indig&ecirc;ncia das classes mais pobres do Brasil?</P>
<B><P>-</B> O materialismo, o anonimato, a exclus&atilde;o social, o relacionamento burocr&aacute;tico entre as pessoas s&atilde;o causados muito especialmente pelo crescimento desordenado das cidades ou sobretudo pela descristianiza&ccedil;&atilde;o de nossos h&aacute;bitos?</P>
<B><P>*</B> <B>Informe-se!</P>
</B><P>Informe-se desses assuntos - e ainda de v&aacute;rios outros - no livro <B>"Os cat&oacute;licos e a economia de mercado"</B>. Voc&ecirc; pode adquiri-lo, clicando nos links abaixo. E complemente seus dados com artigos de Adolpho Lindenberg que lhe ser&atilde;o enviados gratuitamente (clique nos links abaixo). O autor analisa tais assuntos com base na doutrina social cat&oacute;lica, expressa nas enc&iacute;clicas: discorre sobre as rela&ccedil;&otilde;es entre a economia e a moral, liberdade e responsabilidade dos atos econ&ocirc;micos, direito de propriedade, respeito &agrave;s leis naturais no mercado, liceidade do lucro, assist&ecirc;ncia social, rela&ccedil;&otilde;es humanas na empresa e na vida civil.</P>
<B><P>* Destaque</P>
</B><P>E, por fim, um ponto com merecido destaque em <B>"Os cat&oacute;licos e a economia de mercado"</B>: como as reivindica&ccedil;&otilde;es "sociais" t&ecirc;m como fim o socorro aos necessitados e a diminui&ccedil;&atilde;o de desigualdades sociais, &eacute; indispens&aacute;vel ter em vista que esse objetivo s&oacute; poderia ser alcan&ccedil;ado com a eleva&ccedil;&atilde;o significativa do padr&atilde;o de vida do povo (para o autor, por uma dose maior de capitalismo aut&ecirc;ntico) e sobretudo pela recristianiza&ccedil;&atilde;o da sociedade. A assist&ecirc;ncia aos necessitados deve, al&eacute;m do mais, sempre que poss&iacute;vel, ter um tom pessoal, familiar, t&iacute;pico das sociedades org&acirc;nicas harmonicamente diferenciadas, das quais ainda se encontram reflexos vivos em antigas cidades do interior brasileiro. Ali ainda hoje subsistem hospitais, creches, asilos, de iniciativa religiosa e particular, que atendem aos necessitados de modo mais humano e eficaz que a assist&ecirc;ncia estatal prestada nas grandes metr&oacute;poles.</P>
<P>LINKS DE OPINI&Atilde;O:</P>
<P>Entre aqueles que enviarem sua valiosa opini&atilde;o a respeito do texto acima, at&eacute; 30 de novembro, usando qualquer um dos tr&ecirc;s links seguintes, ser&atilde;o sorteados 10 exemplares do livro "Os cat&oacute;licos e a economia de mercado". Os favorecidos ser&atilde;o comunicados por e-mail e dever&atilde;o enviar o endere&ccedil;o postal para receberem os exemplares do livro, por Correio).</P>
</FONT><P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=Lindenberg:Concordo">Lindenberg:Concordo</A><FONT FACE="Garamond"> (pode simplesmente enviar seu voto virtual, e acrescentar seu coment&aacute;rio caso desejar)</P>
</FONT><P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=Lindenberg:Discordo">Lindenberg:Discordo</A><FONT FACE="Garamond"> (idem)</P>
</FONT><P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=Lindenberg:MinhaOpini&atilde;o">Lindenberg:MinhaOpini&atilde;o</A><FONT FACE="Garamond"> (para enviar sua valiosa opini&atilde;o, assim como sugerir a Lindenberg temas relacionados com a tem&aacute;tica apresentada, a serem abordados em seus pr&oacute;ximos artigos)</P>
<P>LINKS PARA ADQUIRIR O LIVRO</P>
</FONT><P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=Lindenberg:DesejoAdquirirLivroEditora">Lindenberg:DesejoAdquirirLivroEditora</A><FONT FACE="Garamond"> (receber&aacute; por e-mail o link para adquirir o livro impresso, diretamente da Editora, com cart&atilde;o de cr&eacute;dito ou boleto banc&aacute;rio; pre&ccedil;o: R$ 30,00 mais SEDEX)</P>
</FONT><P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=Lindenberg:DesejoAdquirirE-Book">Lindenberg:DesejoAdquirirE-Book</A><FONT FACE="Garamond"> (para adquirir o livro, em formato Word, que ser&aacute; enviado por e-mail; receber&aacute; n&uacute;mero de conta banc&aacute;ria para efetuar transfer&ecirc;ncia; pre&ccedil;o promocional do e-book, at&eacute; 30 de novembro: R$ 8,80)</P>
<P>LINKS PARA RECEBER ARTIGOS GRATUITOS:</P>
</FONT><P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=Lindenberg:PaginasGratuitas">PaginasGratuitas</A><FONT FACE="Garamond"> (para receber gratuitamente, por e-mail, &Iacute;ndice e Introdu&ccedil;&atilde;o &agrave; edi&ccedil;&atilde;o brasileira do livro de Lindenberg)</P>
</FONT><P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=Lindenberg:GratuitamenteArtigosAnteriores">GratuitamenteArtigosAnteriores</A></P>
<P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=Lindenberg:GratuitamenteProximosArtigos">GratuitamenteProximosArtigos</A></P>
<P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=Lindenberg:GratuitamenteTodosOsArtigos">GratuitamenteTodosOsArtigos</A></P>
<FONT FACE="Garamond"><P>Para solicitar alguns t&iacute;tulos espec&iacute;ficos:</P>
</FONT><P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=Lindenberg:Artigo1">Artigo1</A><FONT FACE="Garamond"> "Acabemos com mais uma exclus&atilde;o: o Brasil precisa ouvir a voz do Clero sem-microfone"</P>
</FONT><P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=Lindenberg:Artigo2">Artigo2</A><FONT FACE="Garamond"> "Moral e Economia"</P>
</FONT><P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=Lindenberg:Artigo3">Artigo3</A><FONT FACE="Garamond"> "Assist&ecirc;ncia Social e Capitalismo n&atilde;o precisam estar em guerra: podem dar o abra&ccedil;o da paz"</P>
</FONT><P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=Lindenberg:Artigo4">Artigo4</A><FONT FACE="Garamond"> "Intervencionismo estatal e fermenta&ccedil;&atilde;o revolucion&aacute;ria versus assist&ecirc;ncia particular e personalizada"</P>
<P>Pr&oacute;ximos temas:</P>
<P>"Capitalismo, globaliza&ccedil;&atilde;o, neoliberalismo, privatiza&ccedil;&otilde;es"</P>
<P>"Economia de Mercado, Neoliberalismo"</P>
<P>"Estatiza&ccedil;&atilde;o da Economia"</P>
</FONT><P>LINK DE REMO&Ccedil;&Atilde;O</P>
<P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=ConstruNews:Remover ediint-archive@ietf.org">ConstruNews:Remover ediint-archive@ietf.org</A></P>
<P>LINK PARA TOMAR CONTATO COM LINDENBERG</P>
<P><A HREF="mailto:construnews@yahoo.com.br?subject=Lindenberg:TomarContato">Lindenberg:TomarContato</A><FONT FACE="Garamond"> (tamb&eacute;m pode ligar diretamente, se desejar, ao 11- 92527873, em S&atilde;o Paulo)</P>
</FONT><B><FONT FACE="Garamond" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="CENTER">A difus&atilde;o e o conte&uacute;do desta mensagem s&atilde;o de exclusiva responsabilidade da ConstruNews</P>
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I may not have understood the overall goals of this draft, but I think =
the FTP part of the AS#3 is really too light and does not specify enough =
things to allow EDI peers to interact without waiting for =
implementations to come out to evaluate the state-of-the-art. For =
instance, I suppose (I have to) that the command used to send the =
document is STOR, but then, how should its parameter, assumed to be a =
filename, be considered? And what about the possible directory tree =
described in this parameter, about the file separator formats, and so =
on? How should the commands given before, like REST, should be =
considered? The fact is that, by reading this draft, one can assume that =
an FTP client, or server, is specific to AS#3. A standard product is =
very difficult to use, without regularly polling a directory on the =
server side, for instance. Or the FTP products used in an AS#3 =
architecture can not be used for standard FTP purpose, because they are =
too specific to this standard: on the contrary to SMTP or HTTP, FTP is =
not designed to require that a server parses the data received to =
retrieve a MIME header in it, and parses the rest of the document =
depending on fields like content-type. cgi-bin-like hooks are never =
provided in FTP implementations, neither. Specific treatments should be =
required by specific FTP commands. In other works, the cleaner, but =
impossible, way to use FTP as a secured EDI transport protocol would =
have been to pass all the AS#3 useful header fields as FTP commands =
(like "SITE MIME Content-Type: message/disposition-notification").

Another thing that makes me think that the product has to be specific is =
that a client also has to be a server, and vice-versa. The problem is =
not only that it is the first time I see such a requirement in a =
specification, but also that it raises great problems with network =
administration, which seems to be one of the greatest issues raised on =
the mailing list by the use of FTP.=20

FTP is rather more difficult to implement than it seems, because, among =
other things, of a lack of specification about the relative moments of =
data connections, disconnections, request, responses, and transfers, and =
the eterogeneity of the gateways, proxys, and bugs, encountered on the =
internet. In other words, an FTP implementation needs a certain =
maturity, and I don't think it's a good idea to require new FTP =
implementations.

I also think that most of these issues could be avoided by specifying a =
little bit more on the FTP side. For instance, by giving a role to the =
filename parameter: a client could "STOR" a document, and "RETR" the =
corresponding MDN on the same FTP session, or later. This avoids the =
requirement to have both implementations of FTP (client and server, =
which are really different) on both sides. A specific command could also =
be registered on the ftp-ext working group to help both peers switching =
between standard and AS#3 (or more generally to a MIME-parsing) modes.

I belong to these guys that will have to implement this standard in a =
few months, on an existing, and very complicated, FTP implementation. =
And I really hope that it becomes by then a standard that can be used by =
other people than the ones who claimed to implement a standard that did =
(and still does) not exist.

Thanks for the time spent on reading this. Best regards.

> 	                                                                      =
                                                        =20
> 	Antoine Alberti			Axway.  a Sopra Group company=09
> 	Tel  : +33 (0)1 47 17 24 37		XFB R&D
> 	Fax : +33 (0)1 47 17 24 25		26 Rue des Pavillons
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I may not have understood the overall =
goals of this draft, but I think the FTP part of the AS#3 is really too =
light and does not specify enough things to allow EDI peers to interact =
without waiting for implementations to come out to evaluate the =
state-of-the-art. For instance, I suppose (I have to) that the command =
used to send the document is STOR, but then, how should its parameter, =
assumed to be a filename, be considered? And what about the possible =
directory tree described in this parameter, about the file separator =
formats, and so on? How should the commands given before, like REST, =
should be considered? The fact is that, by reading this draft, one can =
assume that an FTP client, or server, is specific to AS#3. A standard =
product is very difficult to use, without regularly polling a directory =
on the server side, for instance. Or the FTP products used in an AS#3 =
architecture can not be used for standard FTP purpose, because they are =
too specific to this standard: on the contrary to SMTP or HTTP, FTP is =
not designed to require that a server parses the data received to =
retrieve a MIME header in it, and parses the rest of the document =
depending on fields like content-type. cgi-bin-like hooks are never =
provided in FTP implementations, neither. Specific treatments should be =
required by specific FTP commands. In other works, the cleaner, but =
impossible, way to use FTP as a secured EDI transport protocol would =
have been to pass all the AS#3 useful header fields as FTP commands =
(like &quot;SITE MIME Content-Type: =
message/disposition-notification&quot;).</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Another thing that makes me think that =
the product has to be specific is that a client also has to be a server, =
and vice-versa. The problem is not only that it is the first time I see =
such a requirement in a specification, but also that it raises great =
problems with network administration, which seems to be one of the =
greatest issues raised on the mailing list by the use of FTP. =
</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">FTP is rather more difficult to =
implement than it seems, because, among other things, of a lack of =
specification about the relative moments of data connections, =
disconnections, request, responses, and transfers, and the eterogeneity =
of the gateways, proxys, and bugs, encountered on the internet. In other =
words, an FTP implementation needs a certain maturity, and I don't think =
it's a good idea to require new FTP implementations.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I also think that most of these issues =
could be avoided by specifying a little bit more on the FTP side. For =
instance, by giving a role to the filename parameter: a client could =
&quot;STOR&quot; a document, and &quot;RETR&quot; the corresponding MDN =
on the same FTP session, or later. This avoids the requirement to have =
both implementations of FTP (client and server, which are really =
different) on both sides. A specific command could also be registered on =
the ftp-ext working group to help both peers switching between standard =
and AS#3 (or more generally to a MIME-parsing) modes.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I belong to these guys that will have =
to implement this standard in a few months, on an existing, and very =
complicated, FTP implementation. And I really hope that it becomes by =
then a standard that can be used by other people than the ones who =
claimed to implement a standard that did (and still does) not =
exist.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Thanks for the time spent on reading =
this. Best regards.</FONT>
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