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Série Temas Patrulhados (8)

Moral e Economia: relação indispensável
A formação moral de uma nação, com sólidos princípios culturais e religiosos, é a condição para resolver em profundidade os problemas econômicos, afirma Lindenberg

Verdadeira solução

* Para solucionar em profundidade os problemas econômicos, é necessário que os responsáveis pela formação de uma nação - o Clero em primeiro lugar - efetivamente ensinem os princípios morais, culturais e religiosos que são o fundamento e a "conditio sine qua non" da ordem socioeconômica, afirma Adolpho Lindenberg no artigo "Economia e Moral", da Série Temas Patrulhados.

"Patrulhamento"

* Lindenberg é autor do livro "Os católicos e a economia de mercado", em que denuncia uma política com viés esquerdista que censura, marginaliza, "patrulha" ou encobre com um manto de silêncio, opiniões "politicamente incorretas", não afinadas com as ideologias de esquerda.

Progresso material e hábitos virtuosos

* O articulista acrescenta que a riqueza, a estabilidade econômica e o progresso material de um povo dependem não só do respeito ao direito de propriedade e às leis da livre iniciativa, mas de hábitos sociais virtuosos: esforço intenso, sistematizado, capacidade profissional adquirida pelo estudo e trabalho, vontade e força de poupar , morigeração nos gastos e discernimento na condução dos negócios.

Entrelaçamento da moral e a economia

* Infelizmente, esse entrelaçamento de preceitos de ordem moral e de questões econômicas é esquecido pela maioria dos prelados que prega reformas de estrutura, condena a inserção de nossa economia no cenário mundial, censura os lucros das empresas, etc. com o intuito alegado de minorar a sorte dos carentes e marginalizados. Sermões recomendando o hábito de trabalhar metódica e intensamente e a praxe de economizar seriam muito mais úteis do que incitamentos a protestos, greves e invasões, conclui Lindenberg em seu extenso artigo, que oferecemos gratuitamente aos leitores.

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Best Regards, Rik Drummond From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Mon Jul 19 15:20:08 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA17955 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6JJ5cud020528; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:05:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i6JJ5cc9020527; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:05:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from aaryn.lunarpages.com (aaryn.lunarpages.com [216.193.217.198]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6JJ5cVs020520 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:05:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sah@428cobrajet.net) Received: from h87.s239.netsol.com ([216.168.239.87] helo=dul1shollenbl1) by aaryn.lunarpages.com with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1BmdSE-0003hO-HS; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:05:38 -0700 From: "Scott Hollenbeck" To: "'Rik Drummond'" , Subject: RE: EDIINT AS2 Status Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:05:22 -0400 Message-ID: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF02E0F6F0@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <200407191856.i6JIuAoZ033437@drummondgroup.com> Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aaryn.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - imc.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - 428cobrajet.net Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rik, What was done to address the comments provided by Sean Turner?: http://www.imc.org/ietf-ediint/mail-archive/msg01680.html I haven't seen any follow-up on the mailing list. -Scott- > -----Original Message----- > From: Rik Drummond [mailto:rvd2@drummondgroup.com] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:56 PM > To: ietf-ediint@imc.org > Subject: EDIINT AS2 Status > > > > I believe we have answered all the concerns posted about the > draft on the > previous WG Last Call for AS2. Kyle and Dale have done their normal > excellent job on applying the comments. > > There are some new requirements for draft submissions formats > what we are > attempting to implement in the AS2 document before doing, > hopefully, our WG > last final call. > > We are almost there! > > Best Regards, Rik Drummond From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Mon Jul 19 16:17:43 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA21415 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6JK4Jko030052; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:04:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i6JK4JVY030051; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:04:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from drummondgroup.com (drummondgroup.com [161.58.166.198]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6JK4Ijm030035 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:04:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kyle@drummondgroup.com) Received: from KYLEDGILAPTOP (pcp517486pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net [68.53.139.87]) (authenticated bits=0) by drummondgroup.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6JK4LVE054728 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:04:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200407192004.i6JK4LVE054728@drummondgroup.com> From: "Kyle Meadors" To: Subject: RE: EDIINT AS2 Status Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:04:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF02E0F6F0@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Thread-Index: AcRtxEFQ2llFnyg3SCyXJEw+PsDI5AABplDw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, Those comments were handled off-line. Below is the list of his comments plus my remarks in terms of accepting or rejecting them. I did initially reject a comment on "MUST" vs. "SHOULD" in sections 7.5 which I reversed after further correspondence with Sean. Dale added a couple of lines for the ESS issue. Sean was OK with the revisions, and both Dale and Rik approved them. Everyone will be able to see them in vs. 16 of the draft. Kyle Meadors DGI REJECTED: Already covered in later MDN sections - Section 7.1 - Required support for signed receipts - should there be requirements for the errors in processing? REJECTED: Not necessary - Section 7.1 - trading partner UA's requirements #3 - I guess I'd like to see more about verifying the signer's certificate up to a trust point. Sounds like all you MUST do is verify the math on the cert. ACCEPTED: Changed "WILL" to "SHOULD" - Section 7.3 - 2nd para - "WILL BE" is not keyword ... replace with "MUST be"? ACCEPTED: Section 7.3 - para after micalgs - "NOT" is not a keyword replace with "MUST not be". REJECTED: The signed receipt is a best attempt with whatever algorithm the recipient can support. - Section 7.3.1 - Rule #2 - If the recipient can't support the protocol or micalg how is it going to be able to send a receipt back? Seems like it shouldn't be a "SHOULD". REJECTED: Section 7.3.1 - Rules - I think it would be clearer if you had one rule for each case. REJECTED: Concept understand by majority of audience. - Section 7.3.1 - Error processing - I do not understand how you can claim that a returned signed receipt gives you all these services in 7.1 but then say if there's a error in processing you still have to send back a signed receipt - this strikes me as wrong. I think 7.1 ought to at least say assuming the MDN is not received with a disposition-notification of failed (or whatever it is). ACCEPTED: Changed to MUST NOT - Section 7.4.4 - #9 - "MAY NOT" is not a valid combination for keywords. ACCEPTED: Section 7.5.2 - 2nd para 2nd sentence - r MUST not/MUST NOT/ ACCEPTED: Section 7.5.3 - There are lots of "shoulds" that sound like they should be "SHOULD"s. REJECTED: Sections appear to be consistent and understood. - Section 7.5.3-4 - There seems to be an inconsistency between 7.3.1 and 7.5.3-4. &.3.1 says that reason for processing the contents could not be processed MUST be included. Then 7.5.3 and 7.5.4 say that they "should" be included. I believe that the "should"s ought to be "MUST"s. ACCEPTED: Section 9 - S/MIMEv2 security considerations - Since the RFC you reference are the version 3 specs I'd suggest pointing to the S/MIMEv3 security considerations. REJECTED: A noticable change to a document of this maturity is not necessary given its widespread implementation. - Section 9 - I think you have to add that signed receipts may be returned even though processing failed - to me this is a huge omission. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/2004 From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Mon Jul 19 18:10:44 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA19071 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6JLvHlu051032; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:57:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i6JLvHx7051031; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:57:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from drummondgroup.com (drummondgroup.com [161.58.166.198]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6JLvGnv051024 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:57:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kyle@drummondgroup.com) Received: from KYLEDGILAPTOP (pcp517486pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net [68.53.139.87]) (authenticated bits=0) by drummondgroup.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6JLvKSs097484 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:57:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200407192157.i6JLvKSs097484@drummondgroup.com> From: "Kyle Meadors" To: Subject: RE: EDIINT AS2 Status Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:57:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <200407192004.i6JK4LVE054728@drummondgroup.com> Thread-Index: AcRtxEFQ2llFnyg3SCyXJEw+PsDI5AABplDwAAQRAfA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And to clarify, vs. 16 is NOT out yet. IETF has made a few recent changes in regards to draft submission and we are double checking it before it is distributed to the EDIINT WG. Should come out at the end of July or first of August. Kyle Meadors DGI -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Kyle Meadors Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:04 PM To: ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: RE: EDIINT AS2 Status Scott, Those comments were handled off-line. Below is the list of his comments plus my remarks in terms of accepting or rejecting them. I did initially reject a comment on "MUST" vs. "SHOULD" in sections 7.5 which I reversed after further correspondence with Sean. Dale added a couple of lines for the ESS issue. Sean was OK with the revisions, and both Dale and Rik approved them. Everyone will be able to see them in vs. 16 of the draft. Kyle Meadors DGI REJECTED: Already covered in later MDN sections - Section 7.1 - Required support for signed receipts - should there be requirements for the errors in processing? REJECTED: Not necessary - Section 7.1 - trading partner UA's requirements #3 - I guess I'd like to see more about verifying the signer's certificate up to a trust point. Sounds like all you MUST do is verify the math on the cert. ACCEPTED: Changed "WILL" to "SHOULD" - Section 7.3 - 2nd para - "WILL BE" is not keyword ... replace with "MUST be"? ACCEPTED: Section 7.3 - para after micalgs - "NOT" is not a keyword replace with "MUST not be". REJECTED: The signed receipt is a best attempt with whatever algorithm the recipient can support. - Section 7.3.1 - Rule #2 - If the recipient can't support the protocol or micalg how is it going to be able to send a receipt back? Seems like it shouldn't be a "SHOULD". REJECTED: Section 7.3.1 - Rules - I think it would be clearer if you had one rule for each case. REJECTED: Concept understand by majority of audience. - Section 7.3.1 - Error processing - I do not understand how you can claim that a returned signed receipt gives you all these services in 7.1 but then say if there's a error in processing you still have to send back a signed receipt - this strikes me as wrong. I think 7.1 ought to at least say assuming the MDN is not received with a disposition-notification of failed (or whatever it is). ACCEPTED: Changed to MUST NOT - Section 7.4.4 - #9 - "MAY NOT" is not a valid combination for keywords. ACCEPTED: Section 7.5.2 - 2nd para 2nd sentence - r MUST not/MUST NOT/ ACCEPTED: Section 7.5.3 - There are lots of "shoulds" that sound like they should be "SHOULD"s. REJECTED: Sections appear to be consistent and understood. - Section 7.5.3-4 - There seems to be an inconsistency between 7.3.1 and 7.5.3-4. &.3.1 says that reason for processing the contents could not be processed MUST be included. Then 7.5.3 and 7.5.4 say that they "should" be included. I believe that the "should"s ought to be "MUST"s. ACCEPTED: Section 9 - S/MIMEv2 security considerations - Since the RFC you reference are the version 3 specs I'd suggest pointing to the S/MIMEv3 security considerations. REJECTED: A noticable change to a document of this maturity is not necessary given its widespread implementation. - Section 9 - I think you have to add that signed receipts may be returned even though processing failed - to me this is a huge omission. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/2004 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Bom dia, amigos! A esmola, é humilhante ou indigna? Um tema sem dúvida polêmico, abordado por Adolpho Lindenberg. Para enviar sua valiosa opinião, ou simplesmente seu voto eletrônico, veja os links no final. Boa leitura, e bom debate! Atenciosamente, Sergio Lopes, ConstruNews.

Série Temas Patrulhados (9)

Intervencionismo estatal e fermentação revolucionária versus assistência particular e personalizada
Como podemos aceitar que a palavra "esmola" tenha se transformado em algo humilhante, indigno, praticamente excluído do debate em torno da assistência social?, pergunta Lindenberg

Clientelismo e ineficiência

* Os atuais programas governamentais de assistência social são burocráticos, clientelistas, politizados, demagógicos e ineficientes, ao contrário da assistência social cristã que é dignificante, personalizada, afável, caridosa, e, aliás, de acordo com o autêntico espírito brasileiro, afirma Adolpho Lindenberg em recente e "políticamente incorreto" artigo da Série Temas Patrulhados.

Fermentação temperamental agressiva

* O articulista acrescenta que o quadro de um Estado intervencionista e ineficiente se vê agravado pela fermentação revolucionária de agitadores, muitas vezes da "esquerda católica", que criam um clima temperamental de inconformidade agressiva, sempre propondo soluções que significam uma maior intervenção estatal.

Na esmola, duas belas atitudes

* Causa espanto a posição de tantos católicos quando bradam que "o pobre não precisa de esmolas, mas de justiça", constata Lindenberg, que responde: precisa de justiça, sim, mas precisa também de esmolas. Como nós, católicos, podemos aceitar que a palavra "esmola", e com ela a realidade que expressa, tenha se transformado em algo humilhante, indigno, praticamente excluído do debate em torno da assistência social?

Esmola material e esmola moral

* E não existe apenas a esmola material: há a esmola moral, o conselho, o afeto e o amparo dados por puro amor ao próximo, sem nenhuma retribuição e dirigidos tantas vezes a milionários angustiados e abatidos pelos revezes da vida.

Dar e receber esmolas, gestos que participam da vida divina

* A partir da difusão do Evangelho, progressivamente, os miseráveis, abandonados e carentes de toda espécie de bens, foram elevados, na consideração pública, à situação de irmãos d'Aquele que é a razão de nossas vidas e modelo de todas as virtudes. Dar e receber esmolas, tornaram-se, desde então, gestos que participam, num certo sentido, da vida divina.

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"Patrulhamento"

* Adolpho Lindenberg é autor do livro "Os católicos e a economia de mercado", em que denuncia uma política com viés esquerdista que censura, marginaliza, "patrulha" ou encobre com um manto de silêncio as opiniões "politicamente incorretas", não afinadas com as ideologias de esquerda.

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From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Wed Jul 21 23:35:44 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA29086 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6M3Jtt3060476; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:19:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i6M3JtJJ060475; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:19:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from drummondgroup.com (drummondgroup.com [161.58.166.198]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6M3JsVu060467 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:19:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rvd2@drummondgroup.com) Received: from DGIServer1 (68.189.209.147.sbi.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [68.189.209.147] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by drummondgroup.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6M3JrLB039614; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:19:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200407220319.i6M3JrLB039614@drummondgroup.com> From: "Rik Drummond" To: "'Scott Hollenbeck'" , Subject: RE: EDIINT AS2 Status Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:19:53 -0500 Organization: Drummond Group Inc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF02E0F6F0@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Thread-Index: AcRtw2HLZzPXPkRqTYuRCNadbs6GHQB1zhOg Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They were all taken care of by the editors via side discussions... rik -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hollenbeck [mailto:sah@428cobrajet.net] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:05 PM To: 'Rik Drummond'; ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: RE: EDIINT AS2 Status Rik, What was done to address the comments provided by Sean Turner?: http://www.imc.org/ietf-ediint/mail-archive/msg01680.html I haven't seen any follow-up on the mailing list. -Scott- > -----Original Message----- > From: Rik Drummond [mailto:rvd2@drummondgroup.com] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:56 PM > To: ietf-ediint@imc.org > Subject: EDIINT AS2 Status > > > > I believe we have answered all the concerns posted about the draft on > the previous WG Last Call for AS2. Kyle and Dale have done their > normal excellent job on applying the comments. > > There are some new requirements for draft submissions formats what we > are attempting to implement in the AS2 document before doing, > hopefully, our WG last final call. > > We are almost there! > > Best Regards, Rik Drummond From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Mon Jul 26 17:01:06 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA09854 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6QKj8aJ079794; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:45:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i6QKj8bv079793; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:45:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ahmler2.mail.eds.com (ahmler2.mail.eds.com [192.85.154.72]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6QKj7sF079776 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:45:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc.nurmi@eds.com) Received: from ahmlir4.mail.eds.com (ahmlir4-2.mail.eds.com [192.85.154.134]) by ahmler2.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6QKj054003604; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:45:02 -0400 Received: from ahmlir4.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ahmlir4.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6QKio4i024879; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:44:50 -0400 Received: from USAHM101.amer.corp.eds.com (usahm101.exmi01.exch.eds.com [207.37.138.189]) by ahmlir4.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6QKioVa024874; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:44:50 -0400 Received: by usahm101.exmi01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:44:50 -0400 Message-ID: <2CDF71507244D411924400508BDF0BC8192253AB@usahm017.exmi01.exch.eds.com> From: "Nurmi, Marc A" To: "'Rik Drummond'" , ietf-ediint@imc.org Cc: "Zeldes, Rick" , "Redick, Jeffrey A" Subject: RE: EDIINT AS2 Status Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:44:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: If it's not too late, I would like to submit a concern we have about the AS2 standard... We (EDS) have participated in the past several rounds of AS2 interoperability testing. During each round, we inevitably have to open a number of ports on our corporate firewalls due to the current arbitrary port selection process that vendors use when bringing up an AS2 server. As a result, we currently have 60+ ports open to allow AS2 traffic in and out of our corporate network. Not only does this cause a lot of effort to be needlessly expended, it also presents an increased security risk. This is not only an issue with interoperability testing, it is also a production AS2 issue. If the standard assumes the use of the default ports 80/443 it isn't happening. We believe some guidance in the standard with respect to port selection would help. It seems to us that if the AS2 standard RECOMMENDED a pair of ports that it would simplify AS2 implementation and improve the standard. The ports could be registered with IANA at http://www.iana.org/cgi-bin/usr-port-number.pl. For example, ports 5080/5443 are currently unregistered and could be recommended as ports to use in an AS2 implementation. Marc Nurmi - EDS phone: 248-265-4514 (8-365) mailto:marc.nurmi@eds.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Rik Drummond Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:56 PM To: ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: EDIINT AS2 Status I believe we have answered all the concerns posted about the draft on the previous WG Last Call for AS2. Kyle and Dale have done their normal excellent job on applying the comments. There are some new requirements for draft submissions formats what we are attempting to implement in the AS2 document before doing, hopefully, our WG last final call. We are almost there! Best Regards, Rik Drummond