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From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Tue Jun 21 15:20:55 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA21796 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5LIwrQ5085892; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j5LIwrxo085891; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:58:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from drummondgroup.com (drummondgroup.com [161.58.166.198]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5LIwq8O085884 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kyle@drummondgroup.com) Received: from KYLEDGILAPTOP (pcp517486pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net [68.53.139.87]) by drummondgroup.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j5LIwptB058161 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:58:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200506211858.j5LIwptB058161@drummondgroup.com> From: "Kyle Meadors" To: Subject: question on cipher suites Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:58:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C57669.5E069320" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcV2k0WP1xltMk/CSkKvLXIBph43fQ== Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C57669.5E069320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An issue was recently brought up in regards to using TLS in AS3. 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    An issue was recently brought up in regards to using = TLS in AS3. Within the TLS handshaking, the connecting AS3 application only = uses one cipher, 3DES, in the handshaking. In this case, the FTP server receiving the = connection does not support 3DES but does support others. Since the AS3 app does = not support anything but 3DES, it can not work through the handshaking to = find a cipher both agree on.

     

    Would it be necessary to state something within the = AS3 draft about supporting a specific set of ciphers. Or, is this outside = the scope of AS3 since it may lie only with the FTP server be beyond the control = of the AS3 application.

     

    Kyle Meadors

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    ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C57669.5E069320-- From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Tue Jun 21 17:25:03 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA16071 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5LLBOdd022919; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:11:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j5LLBOt6022917; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:11:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from MAIL06.stc.com (egate.seebeyond.com [63.250.183.170]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5LLBFXm022661 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:11:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pete@seebeyond.com) Received: from hypnos ([10.18.7.23]) by MAIL06.stc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:11:34 -0700 Received: by hypnos (8.11.7p1+Sun) id j5LLB6O03002; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:11:06 -0700 From: Pete Wenzel To: Kyle Meadors Cc: ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: Re: question on cipher suites Message-ID: <20050621211106.GJ24325@seebeyond.com> References: <200506211858.j5LIwptB058161@drummondgroup.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200506211858.j5LIwptB058161@drummondgroup.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 21:11:34.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDFD7B30:01C576A5] Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Kyle, I'm merely an observer of EDIINT's activities, but this caught my eye. I think that if you expect ASx to have a life far beyond its publication date, it should not be so firmly tied to whatever algorithms are currently in vogue. Partners and communities have different requirements, and those requirements may change over time; they can and do specify them in the form of deployment profiles and trading partner agreements. The nice thing about SSL/TLS negotiation is that lack of a common ciphersuite leads to a precise and predictable failure state that can easily be reported by one's application in explicit detail; there should be no mystery about why the client and server don't interoperate, and what one must do to fix the problem. --Pete Thus spoke Kyle Meadors (kyle@drummondgroup.com) on Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 01:58:56PM -0500: > An issue was recently brought up in regards to using TLS in AS3. Within the > TLS handshaking, the connecting AS3 application only uses one cipher, 3DES, > in the handshaking. In this case, the FTP server receiving the connection > does not support 3DES but does support others. Since the AS3 app does not > support anything but 3DES, it can not work through the handshaking to find a > cipher both agree on. > > Would it be necessary to state something within the AS3 draft about > supporting a specific set of ciphers. Or, is this outside the scope of AS3 > since it may lie only with the FTP server be beyond the control of the AS3 > application. -- Pete Wenzel Senior Architect, SeeBeyond Standards & Product Strategy +1-626-471-6311 (US-Pacific) From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Tue Jun 21 19:37:00 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26699 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5LNFJb2049363; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:15:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j5LNFJ8L049350; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:15:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mtagate2.uk.ibm.com (mtagate2.uk.ibm.com [195.212.29.135]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5LNFGbZ049276 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:15:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paulfordh@uk.ibm.com) Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate2.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5LNFALC342058 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:15:10 GMT Received: from d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.216]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id j5LNFA2o228342 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:15:10 +0100 Received: from d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j5LNFAUb027714 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:15:10 +0100 Received: from d06ml068.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06ml068.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.194]) by d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j5LNFAHE027711; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:15:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200506211858.j5LIwptB058161@drummondgroup.com> To: "Kyle Meadors" Cc: ietf-ediint@imc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question on cipher suites X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Paul V Ford-Hutchinson Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:15:06 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D06ML068/06/M/IBM(Release 6.53HF484 | April 21, 2005) at 22/06/2005 00:15:09, Serialize complete at 22/06/2005 00:15:09 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 007FB66A80257027_=" Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 007FB66A80257027_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I would say that an FTP/TLS server implementation (I.E. code) which does not allow the user/administrator to change CipherSuites, is broken. The choice of CipherSuites should be a security decision, based around a risk analysis from the Business. How a developer can assume that that analysis can have only one outcome is beyond understanding. I would be against defining a 'minimum CipherSuite' or some-such in AS3 (I have not defined one in the FTP/TLS document); as yesterday's 'minimum' is tomorrow's 'trivially broken' and providing a proscriptive method to force insecurity seems wrong to me. If two peers wish to share business data, the security controls around that data should be mutually decided and not left to a technical specification. The basic way that this mutual decision is embodied, is in the TLS Handshake's CipherSuite negotiation; I see no compelling reason to augment or restrict that in a higher level protocol document. If anything, AS3 should mandate that the allowed CipherSuite values MUST be configurable on both Client and Server. IIRC, AS2 is silent on this - https (if used) has the same problem. Paul -- Paul Ford-Hutchinson, CISSP : eCommerce application security e: paulfordh@uk.ibm.com e: paul.ford-hutchinson@g-international.com p: MPT-6, IBM , PO Box 31, Birmingham Rd, Warwick, CV34 5JL t: +44 (0)1926 462005 w: http://www.ford-hutchinson.com/~fh-1-pfh/ftps-ext.html "Kyle Meadors" Sent by: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org 21/06/2005 19:58 To cc Subject question on cipher suites An issue was recently brought up in regards to using TLS in AS3. Within the TLS handshaking, the connecting AS3 application only uses one cipher, 3DES, in the handshaking. In this case, the FTP server receiving the connection does not support 3DES but does support others. Since the AS3 app does not support anything but 3DES, it can not work through the handshaking to find a cipher both agree on. Would it be necessary to state something within the AS3 draft about supporting a specific set of ciphers. Or, is this outside the scope of AS3 since it may lie only with the FTP server be beyond the control of the AS3 application. Kyle Meadors Principal, Test Process Drummond Group Inc. 615.384.5006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 --=_alternative 007FB66A80257027_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
    I would say that an FTP/TLS server implementation (I.E. code) which does not allow the user/administrator to change CipherSuites, is broken.

    The choice of CipherSuites should be a security decision, based around a risk analysis from the Business.  How a developer can assume that that analysis can have only one outcome is beyond understanding.

    I would be against defining a 'minimum CipherSuite' or some-such in AS3 (I have not defined one in the FTP/TLS document); as yesterday's 'minimum' is tomorrow's 'trivially broken' and providing a proscriptive method to force insecurity seems wrong to me.

    If two peers wish to share business data, the security controls around that data should be mutually decided and not left to a technical specification.  The basic way that this mutual decision is embodied, is in the TLS Handshake's CipherSuite negotiation; I see no compelling reason to augment or restrict that in a higher level protocol document.

    If anything, AS3 should mandate that the allowed CipherSuite values MUST be configurable on both Client and Server.  IIRC, AS2 is silent on this - https (if used) has the same problem.

    Paul

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    t: +44 (0)1926 462005
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    "Kyle Meadors" <kyle@drummondgroup.com>
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    An issue was recently brought up in regards to using TLS in AS3. Within the TLS handshaking, the connecting AS3 application only uses one cipher, 3DES, in the handshaking. In this case, the FTP server receiving the connection does not support 3DES but does support others. Since the AS3 app does not support anything but 3DES, it can not work through the handshaking to find a cipher both agree on.
     
    Would it be necessary to state something within the AS3 draft about supporting a specific set of ciphers. Or, is this outside the scope of AS3 since it may lie only with the FTP server be beyond the control of the AS3 application.
     
    Kyle Meadors
    Principal, Test Process
    Drummond Group Inc.
    615.384.5006
     

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From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Wed Jun 22 04:58:25 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA15124 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5M8gTPB068740; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:42:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j5M8gTl5068737; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:42:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from outbound1.sopragroup.com (outbound1.z-ptx-11.fr.sopragroup.com [81.80.239.198]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5M8gRmm068551 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aalberti@axway.com) Received: by outbound1.sopragroup.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/outbound-A02) with ESMTP id j5M8fi15001743; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:42:16 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57706.3CB267DF" Subject: RE: question on cipher suites Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:41:52 +0200 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: question on cipher suites Thread-Index: AcV2k0WP1xltMk/CSkKvLXIBph43fQAcecbQ From: "Alberti Antoine" To: "Kyle Meadors" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2005 08:46:36.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[E63DDC10:01C57706] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57706.3CB267DF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is TLS matter. This issue, if you consider this negociation as an = issue, appears on every protocol based on TLS (HTTPS, FTPS, ASx, SMTPS, = and so on...), and none of them adds any precision over TLS. But you may consider that TLS ciphersuite recommandations are too old, = and add mandatory supported ciphersuites. However, I don't think = overriding other specs' recommandations is a good idea, since you never = know how this spec may evolve. AS3 may become incompatible with TLS's = future versions by doing this. =20 Antoine Alberti XPP project manager +33 (0) 1 47 17 24 37 aalberti@axway.com Axway. software a Sopra Group company www.axway.com =20 -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org = [mailto:owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org]De la part de Kyle Meadors Envoy=E9 : mardi 21 juin 2005 20:59 A : ietf-ediint@imc.org Objet : question on cipher suites An issue was recently brought up in regards to using TLS in AS3. Within = the TLS handshaking, the connecting AS3 application only uses one = cipher, 3DES, in the handshaking. In this case, the FTP server receiving = the connection does not support 3DES but does support others. Since the = AS3 app does not support anything but 3DES, it can not work through the = handshaking to find a cipher both agree on. =20 Would it be necessary to state something within the AS3 draft about = supporting a specific set of ciphers. Or, is this outside the scope of = AS3 since it may lie only with the FTP server be beyond the control of = the AS3 application. =20 Kyle Meadors Principal, Test Process Drummond Group Inc. 615.384.5006 =20 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57706.3CB267DF Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    This = is TLS matter.=20 This issue, if you consider this negociation as an issue, appears on = every=20 protocol based on TLS (HTTPS, FTPS, ASx, SMTPS, and so on...), and none = of them=20 adds any precision over TLS.
    But = you may consider=20 that TLS ciphersuite recommandations are too old, and add mandatory = supported=20 ciphersuites. However, I don't think overriding other specs' = recommandations is=20 a good idea, since you never know how this spec may evolve. AS3 may = become=20 incompatible with TLS's future versions by doing = this.
     
    Antoine Alberti
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    -----Message d'origine-----
    De :=20 owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org = [mailto:owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org]De la=20 part de Kyle Meadors
    Envoy=E9 : mardi 21 juin 2005=20 20:59
    À : = ietf-ediint@imc.org
    Objet : question=20 on cipher suites

    An issue was recently = brought up=20 in regards to using TLS in AS3. Within the TLS handshaking, the = connecting AS3=20 application only uses one cipher, 3DES, in the handshaking. In this = case, the=20 FTP server receiving the connection does not support 3DES but does = support=20 others. Since the AS3 app does not support anything but 3DES, it can = not work=20 through the handshaking to find a cipher both agree=20 on.

     

    Would it be necessary to = state=20 something within the AS3 draft about supporting a specific set of = ciphers. Or,=20 is this outside the scope of AS3 since it may lie only with the FTP = server be=20 beyond the control of the AS3 = application.

     

    Kyle=20 Meadors

    Principal, Test=20 Process

    Drummond Group=20 Inc.

    615.384.5006

     


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From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Wed Jun 29 18:15:05 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dnkpk-0007Bh-R7 for ediint-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:15:05 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03295 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5TM3AUh056424; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:03:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j5TM3Aqx056423; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:03:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ahmler2.mail.eds.com (ahmler2.mail.eds.com [192.85.154.72]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5TM396f056261 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:03:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeffrey.redick@eds.com) Received: from ahmlir1.mail.eds.com (ahmlir1-2.mail.eds.com [192.85.154.131]) by ahmler2.mail.eds.com (8.13.2/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5TM33PW009452 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:03:04 -0400 Received: from ahmlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ahmlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.2/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5TM2rqj019805 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:02:53 -0400 Received: from USAHM013.amer.corp.eds.com ([130.175.214.154]) by ahmlir1.mail.eds.com (8.13.2/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5TM2rvL019800 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:02:53 -0400 Received: from usahm233.amer.corp.eds.com ([130.175.214.166]) by USAHM013.amer.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:02:53 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: AS2 Port Issues Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:02:53 -0400 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: AS2 Port Issues Thread-Index: AcU8ZeznXBTwRbxHTsWpOIvWlZU0hhAZ9s1w From: "Redick, Jeffrey A" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2005 22:02:53.0539 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C64A330:01C57CF6] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id j5TM3A6f056418 Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit AS2 Standards Community, There is a long standing port usage issue that AS2 implementers have been dealing with for some time now. Many companies restrict outbound ports on their Internet facing firewalls for security reasons. The fact that there is no well known or recommended port for AS2 implementations continues to be a problem. Every AS2 implementer is making up their own port assignments and requiring their trading partners to use them. AS2 implementations are making firewalls look like pieces of Swiss cheese. Firewall security personnel are hopping mad about this issue and can't understand why this is happening. We try to explain why we need to keep opening more ports to them but, quite frankly, we don't understand why there isn't at least a recommended port or port range for this technology either. The attached email dialog between two AS2 administrators is a typical exchange when trying to set up a new connection (I removed the last names and company names for the sake of privacy). Can someone explain why having a range of recommended ports for AS2 implementations is such an issue? Regards, Jeff Redick Engineering Manager MS 3O 1075 W. Entrance Dr. Auburn Hills, MI 48326 Phone: 248-364-5826 (8-351) Email: mailto:jeffrey.redick@eds.com >John, > Unfortunately, that is the only port opened to our AS2 server. We have the same issues with opening ports on our > firewall. FYI, our engineers have been pushing the AS2 governing bodies to come up with a standard AS2 port, to no > avail. I don't have the authorization or ability to open additional ports. >Rick >>-----Original Message----- >>From: John >>Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:55 PM >>To: Richard >> >>Subject: Fwd: RE: AS2 Setup Contact and Form >>Richard, >>I am the firewall admin for xxxxx. It is my job to setup the AS2 communications. We are under strict compliance with >>Sarbanes-Oxley, HIPPA and VISA Security guidelines to limit the number of ports off our firewall. Therefore, we would >> like you to open port 4080 or 4079 for xxxxx communication to xxxxx on your inbound side. >>Thanks, >>John From owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Thu Jun 30 16:19:36 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Do5VX-0000tM-QF for ediint-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:19:36 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA19804 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5UK21JP020354; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:02:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j5UK21OQ020353; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:02:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from drummondgroup.com (drummondgroup.com [161.58.166.198]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5UK20qf020330 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:02:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kyle@drummondgroup.com) Received: from KYLEDGILAPTOP (pcp517486pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net [68.53.139.87]) by drummondgroup.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j5UK1u9X040601; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200506302001.j5UK1u9X040601@drummondgroup.com> From: "Kyle Meadors" To: "'Redick, Jeffrey A'" , Subject: RE: AS2 Port Issues Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:01:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcU8ZeznXBTwRbxHTsWpOIvWlZU0hhAZ9s1wADgEMPA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: Sender: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have heard of similar concerns. Based on feedback I have received, it appears the typical ports used are either 80, 4080, 5080 or 8080, with 4080 being the most common. But various port values get used. Should we attempt to get port 4080 or another port assigned as a IANA registered port? Kyle Meadors DGI -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-ediint@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Redick, Jeffrey A Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:03 PM To: ietf-ediint@imc.org Subject: AS2 Port Issues AS2 Standards Community, There is a long standing port usage issue that AS2 implementers have been dealing with for some time now. Many companies restrict outbound ports on their Internet facing firewalls for security reasons. The fact that there is no well known or recommended port for AS2 implementations continues to be a problem. Every AS2 implementer is making up their own port assignments and requiring their trading partners to use them. AS2 implementations are making firewalls look like pieces of Swiss cheese. Firewall security personnel are hopping mad about this issue and can't understand why this is happening. We try to explain why we need to keep opening more ports to them but, quite frankly, we don't understand why there isn't at least a recommended port or port range for this technology either. The attached email dialog between two AS2 administrators is a typical exchange when trying to set up a new connection (I removed the last names and company names for the sake of privacy). Can someone explain why having a range of recommended ports for AS2 implementations is such an issue? Regards, Jeff Redick Engineering Manager MS 3O 1075 W. Entrance Dr. Auburn Hills, MI 48326 Phone: 248-364-5826 (8-351) Email: mailto:jeffrey.redick@eds.com >John, > Unfortunately, that is the only port opened to our AS2 server. We have the same issues with opening ports on our > firewall. FYI, our engineers have been pushing the AS2 governing bodies to come up with a standard AS2 port, to no > avail. I don't have the authorization or ability to open additional ports. >Rick >>-----Original Message----- >>From: John >>Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:55 PM >>To: Richard >> >>Subject: Fwd: RE: AS2 Setup Contact and Form >>Richard, >>I am the firewall admin for xxxxx. It is my job to setup the AS2 communications. We are under strict compliance with >>Sarbanes-Oxley, HIPPA and VISA Security guidelines to limit the number of ports off our firewall. Therefore, we would >> like you to open port 4080 or 4079 for xxxxx communication to xxxxx on your inbound side. >>Thanks, >>John -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.6/33 - Release Date: 6/28/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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