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WebEx here: = https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dme719430c7594fc941add4a7ae8c456fa= = For the call, we=E2=80=99ll focus on some of the topics brought up in = draft-iab-use-it-or-lose-it. Any thoughts or ideas people have on those topics is quite welcome. = I=E2=80=99ve also brought up a few specific topic on the EDM GitHub that = can guide our discussion. Please take a look and comment on these prior = to the call if possible! - What makes a version negotiation mechanism successful? = https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/8 = - Tradeoffs of different failure modes for extension points, = https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/9 = - How should we coordinate greasing experiments? = https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/4 = - Can greasing mechanisms avoid reserving or coordinating "fake" values? = https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/7 = Best, Tommy= --Apple-Mail=_EA445DDC-F01F-4C53-BE6C-FC568CCB7546 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hello= EDM,

As a reminder, = we have a call scheduled on 2020-12-10 from 13:30 to 14:30 = PST.

WebEx = here: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dme719430c7594fc941add4= a7ae8c456fa

For the call, we=E2=80=99ll focus on some of the topics = brought up in draft-iab-use-it-or-lose-it.

Any thoughts or ideas people have on = those topics is quite welcome. I=E2=80=99ve also brought up a few = specific topic on the EDM GitHub that can guide our discussion. Please = take a look and comment on these prior to the call if = possible!

- = What makes a version negotiation mechanism successful? https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/8
- Tradeoffs of different failure modes for extension = points, https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/9
- How should we coordinate greasing experiments? https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/4
- Can greasing mechanisms avoid reserving or coordinating = "fake" values? https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/7

Best,
Tommy
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I=E2= =80=99ve > also brought up a few specific topic on the EDM GitHub that can guide our > discussion. Please take a look and comment on these prior to the call if > possible! > > - What makes a version negotiation mechanism successful? > https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/8 > - Tradeoffs of different failure modes for extension points, > https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/9 > - How should we coordinate greasing experiments? > https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/4 > - Can greasing mechanisms avoid reserving or coordinating "fake" values? > https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/7 > I joined the call about six minutes late (anesthesia from cataract surgery wore off enough for me to join, but not enough to unmute, because I can blather even without medication. Anyway). The discussion on version negotiation is terrific (that's what we're doing as I'm typing this). Was there anyplace I was supposed to enter my name as an attendee? Could I ask that we consider adding the relevant Github repos to https://github.com/ietf-github-services/activity-summary, so that people can track what's going on from an archived IAB mailing list? Best, Spencer the non-Cyclops --000000000000c68ae405b623c97e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear All,=C2=A0

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:= 57 PM Tommy Pauly <tpauly=3D40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Hello EDM,

As a reminder, we have a call scheduled on 2020-12-10 from 13:30 to 1= 4:30 PST.


For the call, we=E2=80=99ll focus on so= me of the topics brought up in draft-iab-use-it-or-lose-it.

<= /div>
Any thoughts or ideas people have on those topics is quite welcom= e. I=E2=80=99ve also brought up a few specific topic on the EDM GitHub that= can guide our discussion. Please take a look and comment on these prior to= the call if possible!

- What makes a version nego= tiation mechanism successful? https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/8<= /a>
- How shou= ld we coordinate greasing experiments?=C2=A0https://github.com/intarchboard= /edm/issues/4
- Can greasing mechanisms avoid reserving or co= ordinating "fake" values?=C2=A0https://github.com/intarchboard/ed= m/issues/7

I joined the cal= l about six minutes late (anesthesia from cataract surgery wore off enough = for me to join, but not enough to unmute, because I can blather even withou= t medication. Anyway).

The discussion on version n= egotiation is terrific (that's what we're doing as I'm typing t= his).=C2=A0

Was there anyplace I was supposed to e= nter my name as an attendee?

Could I ask that we c= onsider adding=C2=A0 the relevant Github repos to=C2=A0https://= github.com/ietf-github-services/activity-summary, so that people can tr= ack what's going on from an archived IAB mailing list?

Best,

Spencer the non-Cyclops
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Thu, 10 Dec 2020 14:46:05 -0800 (PST) From: Tommy Pauly Message-id: <4EA62EB7-1CA1-4726-82A0-9A29506D2AD3@apple.com> Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4D29CCA4-EA7E-461E-9AA8-F3614EBB237A" MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.0.3.2.26\)) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 14:45:56 -0800 In-reply-to: Cc: edm@iab.org To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF References: <0C7BEF85-E3FA-4748-89E3-7538B2870F20@apple.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.0.3.2.26) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.343, 18.0.737 definitions=2020-12-10_10:2020-12-09, 2020-12-10 signatures=0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Edm] Topics for December EDM call X-BeenThere: edm@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Evolvability, Deployability, & Maintainability \(Proposed\) Program" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 22:46:12 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4D29CCA4-EA7E-461E-9AA8-F3614EBB237A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Dec 10, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF = wrote: >=20 > Dear All,=20 >=20 > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:57 PM Tommy Pauly = > wrote: > Hello EDM, >=20 > As a reminder, we have a call scheduled on 2020-12-10 from 13:30 to = 14:30 PST. >=20 > WebEx here: = https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dme719430c7594fc941add4a7ae8c456fa= = >=20 > For the call, we=E2=80=99ll focus on some of the topics brought up in = draft-iab-use-it-or-lose-it. >=20 > Any thoughts or ideas people have on those topics is quite welcome. = I=E2=80=99ve also brought up a few specific topic on the EDM GitHub that = can guide our discussion. Please take a look and comment on these prior = to the call if possible! >=20 > - What makes a version negotiation mechanism successful? = https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/8 = > - Tradeoffs of different failure modes for extension points, = https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/9 = > - How should we coordinate greasing experiments? = https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/4 = > - Can greasing mechanisms avoid reserving or coordinating "fake" = values? https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/7 = >=20 > I joined the call about six minutes late (anesthesia from cataract = surgery wore off enough for me to join, but not enough to unmute, = because I can blather even without medication. Anyway). >=20 > The discussion on version negotiation is terrific (that's what we're = doing as I'm typing this).=20 Thanks for joining! Hope the surgery all went well. >=20 > Was there anyplace I was supposed to enter my name as an attendee? We didn't have official blue sheets, no, but I=E2=80=99ll capture the = participants in the notes. >=20 > Could I ask that we consider adding the relevant Github repos to = https://github.com/ietf-github-services/activity-summary = , so that = people can track what's going on from an archived IAB mailing list? >=20 We actually are in there! Look for EDM in : = https://github.com/ietf-github-services/activity-summary/blob/7aba59466736= 3f6668c80dcfe446d638fd0504d7/mls.json = The summary of activity should come out on Sunday. Best, Tommy > Best, >=20 > Spencer the non-Cyclops --Apple-Mail=_4D29CCA4-EA7E-461E-9AA8-F3614EBB237A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Dec 10, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear = All, 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:57 PM Tommy Pauly = <tpauly=3D40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:
Hello EDM,

As a reminder, we have a call scheduled = on 2020-12-10 from 13:30 to 14:30 PST.

WebEx here: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dme719430c7594fc941add4= a7ae8c456fa

For the call, we=E2=80=99ll focus on some of the topics = brought up in draft-iab-use-it-or-lose-it.

Any thoughts or ideas people have on = those topics is quite welcome. I=E2=80=99ve also brought up a few = specific topic on the EDM GitHub that can guide our discussion. Please = take a look and comment on these prior to the call if = possible!

- = What makes a version negotiation mechanism successful? https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/8
- Tradeoffs of different failure modes for extension = points, https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/9
- How should we coordinate greasing experiments? https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/4
- Can greasing mechanisms avoid reserving or coordinating = "fake" values? https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/7

I joined = the call about six minutes late (anesthesia from cataract surgery wore = off enough for me to join, but not enough to unmute, because I can = blather even without medication. Anyway).

The discussion on version negotiation = is terrific (that's what we're doing as I'm typing = this). 

Thanks for joining! Hope the surgery all went well.

Was there anyplace I was supposed to = enter my name as an = attendee?

We didn't have official blue sheets, no, but = I=E2=80=99ll capture the participants in the notes.


Could I ask that we consider = adding  the relevant Github repos to https://github.com/ietf-github-services/activity-summary, = so that people can track what's going on from an archived IAB mailing = list?



The summary of activity should come out on = Sunday.

Best,
Tommy
Best,

Spencer the = non-Cyclops

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I=E2= =80=99ve >> also brought up a few specific topic on the EDM GitHub that can guide ou= r >> discussion. Please take a look and comment on these prior to the call if >> possible! >> >> - What makes a version negotiation mechanism successful? >> https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/8 >> - Tradeoffs of different failure modes for extension points, >> https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/9 >> - How should we coordinate greasing experiments? >> https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/4 >> - Can greasing mechanisms avoid reserving or coordinating "fake" values? >> https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/7 >> > > I joined the call about six minutes late (anesthesia from cataract surger= y > wore off enough for me to join, but not enough to unmute, because I can > blather even without medication. Anyway). > > The discussion on version negotiation is terrific (that's what we're doin= g > as I'm typing this). > > > Thanks for joining! Hope the surgery all went well. > Seems good so far. I had the other eye done about six years ago, and that was perfect. > > Was there anyplace I was supposed to enter my name as an attendee? > > > We didn't have official blue sheets, no, but I=E2=80=99ll capture the par= ticipants > in the notes. > > > Could I ask that we consider adding the relevant Github repos to > https://github.com/ietf-github-services/activity-summary, so that people > can track what's going on from an archived IAB mailing list? > > > We actually are in there! Look for EDM in : > https://github.com/ietf-github-services/activity-summary/blob/7aba5946673= 63f6668c80dcfe446d638fd0504d7/mls.json > > The summary of activity should come out on Sunday. > Excellent! And thanks. Best, Spencer > Best, > Tommy > > Best, > > Spencer the non-Cyclops > > > --000000000000483e7c05b6251fa8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Tommy,

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 4:46 PM= Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com&g= t; wrote:


=
On Dec 10, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@g= mail.com> wrote:

Dear All,=C2=A0

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:57 PM Tommy Pauly &= lt;tpauly=3D40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Hello EDM,

As a reminder= , we have a call scheduled on 2020-12-10 from 13:30 to 14:30 PST.


For the call, we=E2=80=99ll focus on some of the topics br= ought up in draft-iab-use-it-or-lose-it.

Any thoug= hts or ideas people have on those topics is quite welcome. I=E2=80=99ve als= o brought up a few specific topic on the EDM GitHub that can guide our disc= ussion. Please take a look and comment on these prior to the call if possib= le!

- What makes a version negotiation mechanism s= uccessful?=C2=A0https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/8
- How shou= ld we coordinate greasing experiments?=C2=A0https://github.com/intarchboard= /edm/issues/4
- Can greasing mechanisms avoid reserving or co= ordinating "fake" values?=C2=A0https://github.com/intarchboard/ed= m/issues/7

I joined the cal= l about six minutes late (anesthesia from cataract surgery wore off enough = for me to join, but not enough to unmute, because I can blather even withou= t medication. Anyway).

The discussion on version n= egotiation is terrific (that's what we're doing as I'm typing t= his).=C2=A0

Thanks for j= oining! Hope the surgery all went well.
Seems good so far. I had the other eye done about six years ag= o, and that was perfect.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Was there anyplace I was supposed to enter my name= as an attendee?

We= didn't have official blue sheets, no, but I=E2=80=99ll capture the par= ticipants in the notes.


Could = I ask that we consider adding=C2=A0 the relevant Github repos to=C2=A0https://github.com/ietf-github-services/activity-summary, so tha= t people can track what's going on from an archived IAB mailing list?






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