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> I would like to add my support to adopting this draft as a working =
group item. EAP-TLS is a core EAP method and with TLS 1.3 maturing, this =
work item is very meaningful.

+1

It has been a while since you Joe asked the question=E2=80=A6 I think we =
need this draft and the other drafts that are up for consideration. The =
question was =E2=80=9Cis there objection=E2=80=9D, and I think I saw =
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conclude that the drafts should be WG drafts for their next revision?

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Yes, please upload draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-00.txt and I'll approve it.

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 5:39 AM, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote:

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> I would like to add my support to adopting this draft as a working group
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, please upload draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-00.<wbr>txt an=
d I&#39;ll approve it.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 5:39 AM, Jari Arkko <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target=3D"_blank">jar=
i.arkko@piuha.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
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ke to add my support to adopting this draft as a working group item. EAP-TL=
S is a core EAP method and with TLS 1.3 maturing, this work item is very me=
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I didn't see any objections, but I want to make sure we have some folks
willing to review the draft.  Please respond to this thread if you would be
willing to review the draft.

Thanks,

Joe

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Joseph Salowey <joe@salowey.net> wrote:

> At the IETF 101 EMU meeting in London there was good support for adopting
> draft-arkko-eap-rfc5448bis-01.txt as a working group item.  This is a
> call for adoption of this draft as a working group item.  If you have an
> objection or concern about adopting this draft please respond to the list
> by April 14, 2018.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joe
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nks,</div><div><br></div><div>Joe</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Joseph Salowey =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:joe@salowey.net" target=3D"_blank">=
joe@salowey.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-ser=
if;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-va=
riant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te=
xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;backg=
round-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-=
color:initial;float:none;display:inline">At the IETF 101 EMU meeting in Lon=
don there was good support for adopting=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"text-ali=
gn:start;text-indent:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-=
style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><spa=
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 a working group item.=C2=A0 This is a call for adoption of this draft as a=
 working group item.=C2=A0 If you have an objection or concern about adopti=
ng this draft please respond to the list by April 14, 2018.=C2=A0=C2=A0</sp=
an></span><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-in=
dent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background=
-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color=
:initial"><br></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,san=
s-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;fo=
nt-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:sta=
rt;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;=
background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decora=
tion-color:initial">Cheers,</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-fam=
ily:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatu=
res:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;t=
ext-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initia=
l;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34=
);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-vari=
ant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacin=
g:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:n=
ormal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-st=
yle:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Joe</div><div class=3D"m_3757478=
372975537125gmail-yj6qo" style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,san=
s-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;fo=
nt-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:sta=
rt;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;=
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le=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;fon=
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  I will review it.

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I will review it as well.

--Mohit


On 05/28/2018 11:59 PM, Alan DeKok wrote:
>    I will review it.
>
>> On May 28, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Joseph Salowey <joe@salowey.net> wrote:
>>
>> I didn't see any objections, but I want to make sure we have some folks willing to review the draft.  Please respond to this thread if you would be willing to review the draft.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Joseph Salowey <joe@salowey.net> wrote:
>> At the IETF 101 EMU meeting in London there was good support for adopting draft-arkko-eap-rfc5448bis-01.txt as a working group item.  This is a call for adoption of this draft as a working group item.  If you have an objection or concern about adopting this draft please respond to the list by April 14, 2018.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
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It is on my long list of documents to review

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> I will review it as well.
> 
> --Mohit
> 
> 
> On 05/28/2018 11:59 PM, Alan DeKok wrote:
> >    I will review it.
> >
> >> On May 28, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Joseph Salowey <joe@salowey.net> wrote:
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> >> I didn't see any objections, but I want to make sure we have some folks
> willing to review the draft.  Please respond to this thread if you would
be
> willing to review the draft.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Joseph Salowey <joe@salowey.net>
> wrote:
> >> At the IETF 101 EMU meeting in London there was good support for
> adopting draft-arkko-eap-rfc5448bis-01.txt as a working group item.  This
is a
> call for adoption of this draft as a working group item.  If you have an
> objection or concern about adopting this draft please respond to the list
by
> April 14, 2018.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the EAP Method Update WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Using EAP-TLS with TLS 1.3
        Authors         : John Mattsson
                          Mohit Sethi
	Filename        : draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-00.txt
	Pages           : 18
	Date            : 2018-05-30

Abstract:
   This document specifies the use of EAP-TLS with TLS 1.3 while
   remaining backwards compatible with existing implementations of EAP-
   TLS.  TLS 1.3 provides significantly improved security, privacy, and
   reduced latency when compared to earlier versions of TLS.  This
   document updates RFC 5216.


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Jari can you submit  a new draft as draft-ietf-emu-rfc5448bis-00.txt and
I'll approve it?

Thanks,

Joe

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com> wrote:

> It is on my long list of documents to review
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Emu <emu-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Mohit Sethi
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 11:54 PM
> > To: Alan DeKok <aland@deployingradius.com>; Joseph Salowey
> > <joe@salowey.net>
> > Cc: emu@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [Emu] Call for adoption of draft-arkko-eap-rfc5448bis-01.
> txt
> >
> > I will review it as well.
> >
> > --Mohit
> >
> >
> > On 05/28/2018 11:59 PM, Alan DeKok wrote:
> > >    I will review it.
> > >
> > >> On May 28, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Joseph Salowey <joe@salowey.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I didn't see any objections, but I want to make sure we have some
> folks
> > willing to review the draft.  Please respond to this thread if you would
> be
> > willing to review the draft.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Joe
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Joseph Salowey <joe@salowey.net>
> > wrote:
> > >> At the IETF 101 EMU meeting in London there was good support for
> > adopting draft-arkko-eap-rfc5448bis-01.txt as a working group item.
> This
> is a
> > call for adoption of this draft as a working group item.  If you have an
> > objection or concern about adopting this draft please respond to the list
> by
> > April 14, 2018.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Joe
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Emu mailing list
> > >> Emu@ietf.org
> > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/emu
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Emu mailing list
> > > Emu@ietf.org
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Jari can you submit=C2=A0 a new draft as=C2=A0draft-ietf-e=
mu-rfc5448bis-00.txt and I&#39;ll approve it?=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Than=
ks,</div><div><br></div><div>Joe</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Jim Schaad <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf@augustcellars.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">ietf@augustcellars.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex">It is on my long list of documents to review<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Emu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:emu-bounces@ietf.org">emu-bounces@ietf=
.org</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Mohit Sethi<br>
&gt; Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 11:54 PM<br>
&gt; To: Alan DeKok &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aland@deployingradius.com">aland@=
deployingradius.com</a>&gt;; Joseph Salowey<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:joe@salowey.net">joe@salowey.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:emu@ietf.org">emu@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Emu] Call for adoption of draft-arkko-eap-rfc5448bis-01.=
<wbr>txt<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I will review it as well.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; --Mohit<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On 05/28/2018 11:59 PM, Alan DeKok wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I will review it.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; On May 28, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Joseph Salowey &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:joe@salowey.net">joe@salowey.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; I didn&#39;t see any objections, but I want to make sure we h=
ave some folks<br>
&gt; willing to review the draft.=C2=A0 Please respond to this thread if yo=
u would<br>
be<br>
&gt; willing to review the draft.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Joe<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Joseph Salowey &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:joe@salowey.net">joe@salowey.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; At the IETF 101 EMU meeting in London there was good support =
for<br>
&gt; adopting draft-arkko-eap-rfc5448bis-01.<wbr>txt as a working group ite=
m.=C2=A0 This<br>
is a<br>
&gt; call for adoption of this draft as a working group item.=C2=A0 If you =
have an<br>
&gt; objection or concern about adopting this draft please respond to the l=
ist<br>
by<br>
&gt; April 14, 2018.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Joe<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Emu mailing list<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:Emu@ietf.org">Emu@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/emu" rel=3D"=
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/em=
u</a><br>
&gt; &gt; ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
&gt; &gt; Emu mailing list<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:Emu@ietf.org">Emu@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/emu" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/emu</a=
><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
&gt; Emu mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:Emu@ietf.org">Emu@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/emu" rel=3D"noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/emu</a><br>
<br>
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On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:45 PM, John Mattsson <john.mattsson@ericsson.com>
wrote:

> Except editorials, the main change is that the Exporter labels has been
> changes to conform with RFC 5705 and that the labels are now to be
> registered by IANA as they should be.
>
> Review and comments are very welcome. Preferable so that they can be
> included in a -01 version before Montreal.
>

Based on implementation experiment of this (or well, the previous draft, so
with the old labels), the most inconvenient part of this design was the way
the session resumption is handled in TLS v1.3. When that is mapped to
EAP-TLS in the way it is in this draft, the peer has no idea whether the
NewSessionTicket is delivered after ClientFinished. In other words, the
next message in the sequence could be either continuation of EAP-TLS method
or EAP-Success. This means that the peer cannot use methodState=DONE,
decision=UNCOND_SUCC per RFC 4137 state machine whenever using TLS v1.3
(while being able to continue to use that combination with TLS v1.0, v1.1,
and v1.2). Instead, for TLS v1.3, methodState=MAY_CONT, decision=COND_SUCC
needs to be used. While this may not sound very critical, it was a bit
inconvenient to have make that behavior conditional on the TLS version.

Would there be any way of avoiding this uncertainty about the next message
on the client side within the EAP-TLS method itself? If not, I might as
well as bring up another comment regarding the extra round trip from this
NewSessionTicket delivery. That does not look very efficient. If we would
not care about layering between the EAP method and EAP peer/server
implementation, NewSessionTicket could actually be piggybacked on top of
the EAP-Success message.. Sure, that would require a change in the
EAP-Success definition, but this would remove this undesired uncertainty
about the next message in the sequence and would get rid of one extra
roundtrip in the exchange which could be a significant reduction in overall
latency for the handshake.

Having to change the MSK/EMSK derivation just for the sake of getting a new
label string into use based on the TLS version is also a bit inconvenient.
This is obviously assuming that the previous implementation was already
using TLS-Exporter interface. In general, it would have been nicer if
existing EAP-TLS implementations would work simply by updating the TLS
implementation from v1.2 to v1.3. Anyway, if any one of these change is
going to be needed in the end, the EAP method implementation will need to
be made aware of the negotiated TLS version and other changes are coming
with somewhat reduced implementation complexity.

- Jouni

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:45 PM, John Mattsson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:john.mattsson@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">john.mattsson@eri=
csson.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Except e=
ditorials, the main change is that the Exporter labels has been changes to =
conform with RFC 5705 and that the labels are now to be registered by IANA =
as they should be.<br>
<br>
Review and comments are very welcome. Preferable so that they can be includ=
ed in a -01 version before Montreal. <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>B=
ased on implementation experiment of this (or well, the previous draft, so =
with the old labels), the most inconvenient part of this design was the way=
 the session resumption is handled in TLS v1.3. When that is mapped to EAP-=
TLS in the way it is in this draft, the peer has no idea whether the NewSes=
sionTicket is delivered after ClientFinished. In other words, the next mess=
age in the sequence could be either continuation of EAP-TLS method or EAP-S=
uccess. This means that the peer cannot use methodState=3DDONE, decision=3D=
UNCOND_SUCC per RFC 4137 state machine whenever using TLS v1.3 (while being=
 able to continue to use that combination with TLS v1.0, v1.1, and v1.2). I=
nstead, for TLS v1.3, methodState=3DMAY_CONT, decision=3DCOND_SUCC needs to=
 be used. While this may not sound very critical, it was a bit inconvenient=
 to have make that behavior conditional on the TLS version.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Would there be any way of avoiding this uncertainty about the nex=
t message on the client side within the EAP-TLS method itself? If not, I mi=
ght as well as bring up another comment regarding the extra round trip from=
 this NewSessionTicket delivery. That does not look very efficient. If we w=
ould not care about layering between the EAP method and EAP peer/server imp=
lementation, NewSessionTicket could actually be piggybacked on top of the E=
AP-Success message.. Sure, that would require a change in the EAP-Success d=
efinition, but this would remove this undesired uncertainty about the next =
message in the sequence and would get rid of one extra roundtrip in the exc=
hange which could be a significant reduction in overall latency for the han=
dshake.</div><div><br></div><div>Having to change the MSK/EMSK derivation j=
ust for the sake of getting a new label string into use based on the TLS ve=
rsion is also a bit inconvenient. This is obviously assuming that the previ=
ous implementation was already using TLS-Exporter interface. In general, it=
 would have been nicer if existing EAP-TLS implementations would work simpl=
y by updating the TLS implementation from v1.2 to v1.3. Anyway, if any one =
of these change is going to be needed in the end, the EAP method implementa=
tion will need to be made aware of the negotiated TLS version and other cha=
nges are coming with somewhat reduced implementation complexity.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>- Jouni</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Joseph A. Salowey, a Chair of the emu working group.


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Working Group Name: EAP Method Update
Area Name: Security Area
Session Requester: Joseph Salowey

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  1.5 Hours
Number of Attendees: 30
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 First Priority:  saag tls cfrg
 Second Priority:  curdle uta secdispatch oauth
 Third Priority:  sacm quic kitten bier acme


People who must be present:
  Eric Rescorla
  Jari Arkko
  Joseph A. Salowey
  Alan DeKok
  John Mattsson

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Please send me requests for agenda time at IETF 102.

Thanks,

Joe

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Please send me requests for agenda time at IETF 102.=C2=A0=
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Joe</div></div>

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