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This draft is a work item of the EAP Method Update WG of the IETF. Title : Using EAP-TLS with TLS 1.3 Authors : John Mattsson Mohit Sethi Filename : draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-06.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2019-08-03 Abstract: This document specifies the use of EAP-TLS with TLS 1.3 while remaining backwards compatible with existing implementations of EAP- TLS. TLS 1.3 provides significantly improved security, privacy, and reduced latency when compared to earlier versions of TLS. EAP-TLS with TLS 1.3 further improves security and privacy by mandating use of privacy and revocation checking. This document updates RFC 5216. 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14:53:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: emu@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: emu@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44C2120144; Sat, 3 Aug 2019 14:53:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uMfw3yHE66ys; Sat, 3 Aug 2019 14:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 115A6120134; Sat, 3 Aug 2019 14:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Sat, 3 Aug 2019 14:53:40 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: CC: 'EMU WG' Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 14:53:37 -0700 Message-ID: <02e001d54a45$e92ae900$bb80bb00$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AdVKJoKyKr1G5+9hQuKLAEK5rLYqPg== X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: [Emu] POST WGLC Comments draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13 X-BeenThere: emu@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAP Methods Update \(EMU\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2019 21:53:52 -0000 I am just finally getting caught up on mail for the EMU WG and am getting this done. It should probably be clarified that Figure 1has the additional restriction that the server is not sending any resumption tickets as well. It would also be better to label the TLS Application Data as the commitment message as no other TLS Application data is being sent. I think that it might be reasonable to put in a note for Figure 2 that if a client does receive a fatal from the hello message, then changing the offered key share algorithm is one thing that might be successful in the future - That is put in a note to match what the request retry message does. Okay - I found the use of the retry down below but it is not referenced from here but it is still labeled as a server rejects the client hello. In section 2.1.5 - You are mandating support for resumption. Is this really what you are planning to do? If this is true then lots of the previous text seems to be off because this is not part of that discussion. In section 2.1.6 - Should there be a recommendation (or not) that when a resumption ticket is used, then a new ticket (or set of tickets) ought to be provided to the client. In section 2.5 - I don't know that I have the ability to control what the TLS block looks like to the extent that this seems to be wanting to do. In section 5.7 - I am not sure why one could not re-check for revocation when doing a resumption, I would expect that this is only server side that would do it but the current paragraph two outlaws it. I am a little surprised that the padding feature of TLS 1.3 received absolutely no mention in this document. Jim From nobody Tue Aug 6 06:01:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: emu@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: emu@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA4D120183; Tue, 6 Aug 2019 06:01:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0aIE6rgV8Fx7; Tue, 6 Aug 2019 06:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.networkradius.com (mail.networkradius.com [62.210.147.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23D5F120170; Tue, 6 Aug 2019 06:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.20.21] (ottawa.ca.networkradius.com [72.137.155.194]) by mail.networkradius.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 638A114F2; Tue, 6 Aug 2019 13:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: NetworkRADIUS; dmarc=none header.from=deployingradius.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) From: Alan DeKok In-Reply-To: <02e001d54a45$e92ae900$bb80bb00$@augustcellars.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 09:01:34 -0400 Cc: draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13@ietf.org, EMU WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <02e001d54a45$e92ae900$bb80bb00$@augustcellars.com> To: Jim Schaad X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Emu] POST WGLC Comments draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13 X-BeenThere: emu@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAP Methods Update \(EMU\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2019 13:01:41 -0000 On Aug 3, 2019, at 5:53 PM, Jim Schaad wrote: >=20 > In section 5.7 - I am not sure why one could not re-check for = revocation > when doing a resumption, I would expect that this is only server side = that > would do it but the current paragraph two outlaws it. I think it's best to *always* apply authorization policies. The = alternative is to allow the server to *not* check authorization policies = during resumption. Which then means that the client is in charge of = authorization, not the server. Alan DeKok. 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Please submit the draft as draft -ietf-emu-eaptlscert-00. Thanks, Joe On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 12:47 PM Joseph Salowey wrote: > This is a call for adoption for draft-ms-emu-eaptlscert-03 as a EMU > working group item. This draft has had support from the WG for the past 2 > meeting. If you object to this call for adoption please respond by August > 6, 2019. > > Thanks, > > Joe > --00000000000078ece7058fef2bfb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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This is a call for adoption for=C2=A0draft-ms-emu-eaptlscert-03 as= a EMU working group item.=C2=A0 This draft has had support from the WG for= the past 2 meeting.=C2=A0 If you object to this call for adoption please r= espond by August 6, 2019.=C2=A0

Thanks,

Joe
--00000000000078ece7058fef2bfb-- From nobody Tue Aug 13 06:26:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: emu@ietf.org Delivered-To: emu@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60CB120170; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:26:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: emu@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.100.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: emu@ietf.org Message-ID: <156570280874.24206.16850121704317393601@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:26:48 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Emu] I-D Action: draft-ietf-emu-eaptlscert-00.txt X-BeenThere: emu@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "EAP Methods Update \(EMU\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 13:26:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the EAP Method Update WG of the IETF. Title : Handling Large Certificates and Long Certificate Chains in TLS-based EAP Methods Authors : Mohit Sethi John Mattsson Sean Turner Filename : draft-ietf-emu-eaptlscert-00.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2019-08-13 Abstract: EAP-TLS and other TLS-based EAP methods are widely deployed and used for network access authentication. Large certificates and long certificate chains combined with authenticators that drop an EAP session after only 40 - 50 round-trips is a major deployment problem. This memo looks at the this problem in detail and describes the potential solutions available. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-emu-eaptlscert/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-emu-eaptlscert-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-emu-eaptlscert-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:46:33 -0400 Message-ID: <22375.1566503193@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Emu] Re-charter text X-BeenThere: emu@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAP Methods Update \(EMU\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 19:46:23 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mohit Sethi M wrote: > At the same time, some new use cases for EAP have been identified. EAP > is now more broadly in mobile network authentication. The group will > update existing EAP methods such as EAP-AKA' to stay in sync with ... > Out-of-band (OOB) refers to a separate communication channel > independent of the primary in-band channel over which the actual > EAP authentication is based on credentials available on the peer and > the server. However, some EAP methods use credentials that are time or > domain limited (such as EAP-POTP), and there may be a need for creati= ng =20=20=20=20 I feel that the charter is too limiting if it names specific drafts like this. In effect, the charter is mandating adoption of specific documents. 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([2607:fea8:69f:f5eb:e464:d5e4:bbba:7a41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s4sm14598673iop.25.2019.08.26.08.25.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Aug 2019 08:25:24 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Rene Struik To: Mohit Sethi Cc: emu@ietf.org X-Forwarded-Message-Id: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 11:25:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------11AA821118EA59281CC9C8EF" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Emu] Re-charter text X-BeenThere: emu@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAP Methods Update \(EMU\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:25:31 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------11AA821118EA59281CC9C8EF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------384A05D79E1ED273B6B27CE2" --------------384A05D79E1ED273B6B27CE2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Mohit: I read the proposed recharter text and suggest a tiny change in the dashed work item below: change "shall" to "should". With "shall" language, the out-of-band characteristics of the most stringent such channel imposes the design constraints, which is not the case with "should" language. Here, one should note that certain OOB channels for sensor devices may not have sufficient bandwidth for conveying, e.g., a representation of a public key (if that is one of the intended methods one wishes to use), whereas this would be easy for devices with camera on-board. If the intention is to have a method that is truly independent of the OOB channel and wants the charter text to nail this, that is fine, but one has to be ware that this may limit applicability in some use cases; otherwise, simply making this a "should" leaves some wiggle room. There may be other cases, where characteristics of OOB channel may impact design space and where some wiggle room in the charter may not hurt. Suggested modification (change underlined): - Define a standard EAP method for mutual authentication between a peer and a server that is based on an out-of-band channel. The method itself _should_ be independent of the underlying OOB channel and shall support a variety of OOB channels such as NFC, dynamically generated QR codes, audio, and visible light. Best regards, Rene -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [Emu] Re-charter text Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 08:13:51 +0000 From: Mohit Sethi M To: emu@ietf.org Dear all, Thank you for a productive meeting @ IETF 105. We had discussed the new charter text during the working group session in Montreal. Please find the same text below. This text builds upon our current charter. Feel free to suggest changes. RFC 2418 section 2.2 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2418#section-2.2 says the following about a working group charter: > 2. Specifies the direction or objectives of the working group and > describes the approach that will be taken to achieve the goals; Please keep this in mind when suggesting changes. Once the text is ready, we will send it to the IESG for review. Joe and Mohit ------------------------ The Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) [RFC 3748] is a network access authentication framework used, for instance, in VPN and mobile networks. EAP itself is a simple protocol and actual authentication happens in EAP methods. Several EAP methods have been developed at the IETF and support for EAP exists in a broad set of devices. Previous larger EAP-related efforts at the IETF included rewriting the base EAP protocol specification and the development of several standards track EAP methods. EAP methods are generally based on existing security technologies such as TLS and SIM cards. Our understanding of security threats is continuously evolving. This has driven the evolution of several of these underlying technologies. As an example, IETF has standardized a new and improved version of TLS in RFC 8446. The group will therefore provide guidance and update EAP method specifications where necessary to enable the use of new versions of these underlying technologies. At the same time, some new use cases for EAP have been identified. EAP is now more broadly in mobile network authentication. The group will update existing EAP methods such as EAP-AKA' to stay in sync with updates to the referenced 3GPP specifications. RFC 7258 notes that pervasive monitoring is an attack. Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) is an important security property for modern protocols to thwart pervasive monitoring. The group will therefore work on an extension to EAP-AKA' for providing Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS). Out-of-band (OOB) refers to a separate communication channel independent of the primary in-band channel over which the actual network communication takes place. OOB channels are now used for authentication in a variety of protocols and devices (draft-ietf-oauth-device-flow-13, WhatsApp Web, etc.). Many users are accustomed to tapping NFC or scanning QR codes. However, EAP currently does not have any standard methods that support authentication based on OOB channels. The group will therefore work on an EAP method where authentication is based on an out-of-band channel between the peer and the server. EAP authentication is based on credentials available on the peer and the server. However, some EAP methods use credentials that are time or domain limited (such as EAP-POTP), and there may be a need for creating long term credentials for re-authenticating the peer in a more general context. The group will investigate minimal mechanisms with which limited-use EAP authentication credentials can be used for creating general-use long-term credentials. In summary, the working group shall produce the following documents:  - An update to enable the use of TLS 1.3 in the context of EAP-TLS (RFC 5216). This document will pdate the security considerations relating to EAP-TLS, document the implications of using new vs. old TLS versions, add any recently gained new knowledge on vulnerabilities, and discuss the possible implications of pervasive surveillance.  - Several EAP methods such EAP-TTLS and EAP-FAST use an outer TLS tunnel. Provide guidance or update the relevant specifications explaining how those EAP methods (PEAP/TTLS/TEAP) will work with TLS 1.3. This will also involve maintenance work based on erratas found in published specifications (such as EAP-TEAP). - Define session identifiers for fast re-authentication for EAP-SIM, EAP-AKA, and EAP-AKA’. The lack of this definition is a recently discovered bug in the original RFCs. - Update the EAP-AKA' specification (RFC 5448) to ensure that its capability to provide a cryptographic binding to network context stays in sync with updates to the referenced 3GPP specifications. The document will also contain any recently gained new knowledge on vulnerabilities or the possible implications of pervasive surveillance. - Develop an extension to EAP-AKA' such that Perfect Forward Secrecy can be provided. There may also be privacy improvements that have become feasible with the  introduction of recent identity privacy improvements in 3GPP networks. - Gather experience regarding the use of large certificates and long certificate chains in the context of EAP-TLS (all versions), as some implementations and access networks may limit the number of EAP packet exchanges that can be handled. Document operational recommendations or other mitigation strategies to avoid issues. - Define a standard EAP method for mutual authentication between a peer and a server that is based on an out-of-band channel. The method itself shall be independent of the underlying OOB channel and shall support a variety of OOB channels such as NFC, dynamically generated QR codes, audio, and visible light. - Define mechanisms by which EAP methods can support creation of long-term credentials for the peer based on initial limited-use credentials. The working group is expected to stay in close collaboration with the EAP deployment community, the TLS working group (for EAP-TLS work), and the 3GPP security architecture group (for EAP-AKA' work) ------------------------ --------------384A05D79E1ED273B6B27CE2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Mohit:

I read the proposed recharter text and suggest a tiny change in the dashed work item below: change "shall" to "should". With "shall" language, the out-of-band characteristics of the most stringent such channel imposes the design constraints, which is not the case with "should" language. Here, one should note that certain OOB channels for sensor devices may not have sufficient bandwidth for conveying, e.g., a representation of a public key (if that is one of the intended methods one wishes to use), whereas this would be easy for devices with camera on-board. If the intention is to have a method that is truly independent of the OOB channel and wants the charter text to nail this, that is fine, but one has to be ware that this may limit applicability in some use cases; otherwise, simply making this a "should" leaves some wiggle room. There may be other cases, where characteristics of OOB channel may impact design space and where some wiggle room in the charter may not hurt.

Suggested modification (change underlined):

- Define a standard EAP method for mutual authentication between a peer and a server that is based on an out-of-band channel. The method itself should be independent of the underlying OOB channel and shall support a variety of OOB channels such as NFC, dynamically generated QR codes, audio, and visible light.

Best regards, Rene

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [Emu] Re-charter text
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 08:13:51 +0000
From: Mohit Sethi M <mohit.m.sethi@ericsson.com>
To: emu@ietf.org <emu@ietf.org>


Dear all,

Thank you for a productive meeting @ IETF 105. We had discussed the new charter text during the working group session in Montreal. Please find the same text below. This text builds upon our current charter. Feel free to suggest changes. RFC 2418 section 2.2 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2418#section-2.2 says the following about a working group charter:

   2. Specifies the direction or objectives of the working group and
      describes the approach that will be taken to achieve the goals;

Please keep this in mind when suggesting changes. Once the text is ready, we will send it to the IESG for review.

Joe and Mohit

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The Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) [RFC 3748] is a network access authentication framework used, for instance, in VPN and mobile networks. EAP itself is a simple protocol and actual authentication happens in EAP methods. Several EAP methods have been developed at the IETF and support for EAP exists in a broad set of devices. Previous larger EAP-related efforts at the IETF included rewriting the base EAP protocol specification and the development of several standards track EAP methods.

EAP methods are generally based on existing security technologies such as TLS and SIM cards. Our understanding of security threats is continuously evolving. This has driven the evolution of several of these underlying technologies. As an example, IETF has standardized a new and improved version of TLS in RFC 8446. The group will therefore provide guidance and update EAP method specifications where necessary to enable the use of new versions of these underlying technologies.

At the same time, some new use cases for EAP have been identified. EAP is now more broadly in mobile network authentication. The group will update existing EAP methods such as EAP-AKA' to stay in sync with updates to the referenced 3GPP specifications. RFC 7258 notes that pervasive monitoring is an attack. Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) is an important security property for modern protocols to thwart pervasive monitoring. The group will therefore work on an extension to EAP-AKA' for providing Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS).

Out-of-band (OOB) refers to a separate communication channel independent of the primary in-band channel over which the actual network communication takes place. OOB channels are now used for authentication in a variety of protocols and devices (draft-ietf-oauth-device-flow-13, WhatsApp Web, etc.). Many users are accustomed to tapping NFC or scanning QR codes. However, EAP currently does not have any standard methods that support authentication based on OOB channels. The group will therefore work on an EAP method where authentication is based on an out-of-band channel between the peer and the server.

EAP authentication is based on credentials available on the peer and the server. However, some EAP methods use credentials that are time or domain limited (such as EAP-POTP), and there may be a need for creating long term credentials for re-authenticating the peer in a more general context. The group will investigate minimal mechanisms with which limited-use EAP authentication credentials can be used for creating general-use long-term credentials.

In summary, the working group shall produce the following documents:

 - An update to enable the use of TLS 1.3 in the context of EAP-TLS (RFC 5216). This document will pdate the security considerations relating to EAP-TLS, document the implications of using new vs. old TLS versions, add any recently gained new knowledge on vulnerabilities, and discuss the possible implications of pervasive surveillance.

 - Several EAP methods such EAP-TTLS and EAP-FAST use an outer TLS tunnel. Provide guidance or update the relevant specifications explaining how those EAP methods (PEAP/TTLS/TEAP) will work with TLS 1.3. This will also involve maintenance work based on erratas found in published specifications (such as EAP-TEAP).

- Define session identifiers for fast re-authentication for EAP-SIM, EAP-AKA, and EAP-AKA’. The lack of this definition is a recently discovered bug in the original RFCs.

- Update the EAP-AKA' specification (RFC 5448) to ensure that its capability to provide a cryptographic binding to network context stays in sync with updates to the referenced 3GPP specifications. The document will also contain any recently gained new knowledge on vulnerabilities or the possible implications of pervasive surveillance.

- Develop an extension to EAP-AKA' such that Perfect Forward Secrecy can be provided. There may also be privacy improvements that have become feasible with the  introduction of recent identity privacy improvements in 3GPP networks.

- Gather experience regarding the use of large certificates and long certificate chains in the context of EAP-TLS (all versions), as some implementations and access networks may limit the number of EAP packet exchanges that can be handled. Document operational recommendations or other mitigation strategies to avoid issues.

- Define a standard EAP method for mutual authentication between a peer and a server that is based on an out-of-band channel. The method itself shall be independent of the underlying OOB channel and shall support a variety of OOB channels such as NFC, dynamically generated QR codes, audio, and visible light.

- Define mechanisms by which EAP methods can support creation of long-term credentials for the peer based on initial limited-use credentials.

The working group is expected to stay in close collaboration with the EAP deployment community, the TLS working group (for EAP-TLS work), and the 3GPP security architecture group (for EAP-AKA' work)

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