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Please let me know if there are any mistakes or omissions. Thanks, Margaret --=====================_180899980==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Entity_MIB_Minutes_Mar03.txt" Entity MIB (entmib) Minutes IETF 56 San Francisco Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 1300-1400 ================================== AGENDA: Intro and Agenda Bashing -- Margaret Wasserman (5 min) Document & Milestones Status -- Margaret (20 min) - Review outstanding milestones - Entity MIB Implementation Report Status - Next Steps Entity State MIB -- Sharon Chisholm (20 min) - Open Issues - Next Steps Wrap-up and Action Items -- Margaret (5 min) Reading List: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-v3-00.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-state-00.txt MINUTES: Entity Senor MIB Discussion: No implementations from those in room. Margaret to poll list. IF no implementations available, we will retry in 4-6 months. Entity MIB Discussion: Discussion of the current status of the Entity MIB and implementation reports. CONSENSUS: Deprecate the LP mapping table and submit for DS. Discussion of the changes since PS: new CPU enum and new TC. CONSENSUS: Submit the document for DS, even with changes. Entity State MIB discussion: Open issues against January 03 version: - Dave's email address is wrong - Boilerplate needs updating The document needs to be very explicit that it is a sparse augments in both directions. A not-applicable enum would be easier to deal with than holes, so we will add that. There are enums introduced that are not in the ITU documents. Should give explicit eplanation of what they mean -- perhaps pointer to the alarm stuff that is their source. Reference clauses in the TCs to ITU documents. CONSENSUS: Agreement to make the three changes listed above. Editorial comment: Some terms are used that are not explained first, for instance reference to a stack (ITU folks might not know what this is), locked/unlocked (non ITU folks may not know what this is). Would be good to add references for terminology. Also, there may be subtle differences for terminology about reduncancy (primary/secondary and active/backup). Will try to get an update out by the end of March(?). Then perhaps ready for WG last call? Andy raised issue with possible congestion/redundant traps when an event happens that affects the whole network. May have issues when the a board goes down and all sub-systems also go down (sympathetic notification issues). Concerned about the case of a very large box (10-20,000 interfaces). Doesn't want to receive 20,000 link downs and 20,000 oper status downs coming from the box. The sympathetic notification issue is actually separate from the congestion issue. It might make sense for this MIB to talk about controlling sympathetic notifications, but the congestion issue would need to be considered at the overall SNMP level -- maybe a separate WG? Issues are related to disman alarm work. May be able to use some mechanisms for sympathetic alarm suppression from there. Also will look at RFC 2863. Action Items: Margaret to poll list for Sensor Entity MIB implementations Andy to update Entity MIB to: - deprecate the LP mapping table - add conformance with/without CPU enum - new boilerplate Margaret to post implementation reports for review (look at the RMON MIB reports) Sharon and David to update the Entity State MIB to make the changes indicated above Sharon and David to consider possible solutions for the congestion/sympathetic alarm problem --=====================_180899980==_-- _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 17 20:48:34 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA15386 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3I0vtG23960 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:57:55 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3I0uE823922; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:56:14 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3I0t1823884 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:55:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA15269 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196K1J-0003pK-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:46:25 -0400 Received: from unknown-1-11.windriver.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196K1I-0003pC-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:46:24 -0400 Received: from IDLEWYLDE.windriver.com ([147.11.233.43]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01998 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030417204218.02d03b58@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:44:07 -0400 To: entmib@ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_180899980==_" Subject: [Entmib] Minutes from SF Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=====================_180899980==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Here are the minutes that I took during our Entity MIB meeting in SF -- sorry they are a bit late. Please let me know if there are any mistakes or omissions. Thanks, Margaret --=====================_180899980==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Entity_MIB_Minutes_Mar03.txt" Entity MIB (entmib) Minutes IETF 56 San Francisco Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 1300-1400 ================================== AGENDA: Intro and Agenda Bashing -- Margaret Wasserman (5 min) Document & Milestones Status -- Margaret (20 min) - Review outstanding milestones - Entity MIB Implementation Report Status - Next Steps Entity State MIB -- Sharon Chisholm (20 min) - Open Issues - Next Steps Wrap-up and Action Items -- Margaret (5 min) Reading List: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-v3-00.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-state-00.txt MINUTES: Entity Senor MIB Discussion: No implementations from those in room. Margaret to poll list. IF no implementations available, we will retry in 4-6 months. Entity MIB Discussion: Discussion of the current status of the Entity MIB and implementation reports. CONSENSUS: Deprecate the LP mapping table and submit for DS. Discussion of the changes since PS: new CPU enum and new TC. CONSENSUS: Submit the document for DS, even with changes. Entity State MIB discussion: Open issues against January 03 version: - Dave's email address is wrong - Boilerplate needs updating The document needs to be very explicit that it is a sparse augments in both directions. A not-applicable enum would be easier to deal with than holes, so we will add that. There are enums introduced that are not in the ITU documents. Should give explicit eplanation of what they mean -- perhaps pointer to the alarm stuff that is their source. Reference clauses in the TCs to ITU documents. CONSENSUS: Agreement to make the three changes listed above. Editorial comment: Some terms are used that are not explained first, for instance reference to a stack (ITU folks might not know what this is), locked/unlocked (non ITU folks may not know what this is). Would be good to add references for terminology. Also, there may be subtle differences for terminology about reduncancy (primary/secondary and active/backup). Will try to get an update out by the end of March(?). Then perhaps ready for WG last call? Andy raised issue with possible congestion/redundant traps when an event happens that affects the whole network. May have issues when the a board goes down and all sub-systems also go down (sympathetic notification issues). Concerned about the case of a very large box (10-20,000 interfaces). Doesn't want to receive 20,000 link downs and 20,000 oper status downs coming from the box. The sympathetic notification issue is actually separate from the congestion issue. It might make sense for this MIB to talk about controlling sympathetic notifications, but the congestion issue would need to be considered at the overall SNMP level -- maybe a separate WG? Issues are related to disman alarm work. May be able to use some mechanisms for sympathetic alarm suppression from there. Also will look at RFC 2863. Action Items: Margaret to poll list for Sensor Entity MIB implementations Andy to update Entity MIB to: - deprecate the LP mapping table - add conformance with/without CPU enum - new boilerplate Margaret to post implementation reports for review (look at the RMON MIB reports) Sharon and David to update the Entity State MIB to make the changes indicated above Sharon and David to consider possible solutions for the congestion/sympathetic alarm problem --=====================_180899980==_-- _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib