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Margaret Wasserman Entity MIB WG Chair _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jul 8 08:49:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19808 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Zru0-0008Kp-Ux for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:49:00 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h68Cn0Pc032019 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:49:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Zru0-0008KL-RD; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:49:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Zrtg-0008Jv-SU for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:48:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19770; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Zrtf-0001HD-00; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:48:39 -0400 Received: from unknown-1-11.windriver.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Zrte-0001Go-00; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:48:38 -0400 Received: from Kevin.windriver.com ([147.11.233.11]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA10471; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 05:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030708084144.03851780@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:48:08 -0400 To: agenda@ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Cc: entmib@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Entmib] Entity MIB agenda Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Here is the agenda for the Entity MIB WG meeting in Vienna. Thanks, Margaret Entity MIB (entmib) WG IETF 57 -- Vienna, Austria Tuesday, July 15, 1300-1400 =========================== Introduction and Agenda Bashing -- Margaret Wasserman (5 min) Entity MIB Open Issues (if any) -- Andy Bierman (15 min) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt Entity State MIB Open Issues (if any) -- Sharon Chisholm (15 min) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt Status/Milestone Update and Next Steps -- Margaret Wasserman (10 min) _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jul 8 09:25:44 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19366 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ZriQ-0007TJ-AU for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:37:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h68Cb2DT028708 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:37:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ZriP-0007SU-Hl; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:37:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ZrhX-0007Mw-Do for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:36:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19333 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ZrhV-0001BF-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:36:05 -0400 Received: from unknown-1-11.windriver.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ZrhV-0001B8-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:36:05 -0400 Received: from Kevin.windriver.com ([147.11.233.11]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA05928 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 05:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030708083046.0385f7f8@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:35:34 -0400 To: entmib@ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State MIB Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is an Entity MIB working group last call for comments on advancing the following document as a Proposed Standard: Title : Entity State MIB Author(s) : S. Chisholm, D. Perkins Filename : draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt Pages : 22 Date : June 2003 The document can be found at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt Please send substantive comments to the entmib mailing list, and minor editorial comments to the authors. This last call period will end on 22-July-2003. Margaret Wasserman Entity MIB WG Chair _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Tue Jul 8 09:35:44 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19807 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Zru0-0008KL-RD; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:49:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Zrtg-0008Jv-SU for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:48:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19770; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Zrtf-0001HD-00; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:48:39 -0400 Received: from unknown-1-11.windriver.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Zrte-0001Go-00; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:48:38 -0400 Received: from Kevin.windriver.com ([147.11.233.11]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA10471; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 05:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030708084144.03851780@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:48:08 -0400 To: agenda@ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Cc: entmib@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Entmib] Entity MIB agenda Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Here is the agenda for the Entity MIB WG meeting in Vienna. Thanks, Margaret Entity MIB (entmib) WG IETF 57 -- Vienna, Austria Tuesday, July 15, 1300-1400 =========================== Introduction and Agenda Bashing -- Margaret Wasserman (5 min) Entity MIB Open Issues (if any) -- Andy Bierman (15 min) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt Entity State MIB Open Issues (if any) -- Sharon Chisholm (15 min) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt Status/Milestone Update and Next Steps -- Margaret Wasserman (10 min) _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Tue Jul 8 12:04:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28883 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Zuwj-0002uo-5d; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:04:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ZuwL-0002nY-7B for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:03:37 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28815 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ZuwK-00039A-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:03:36 -0400 Received: from unknown-1-11.windriver.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ZuwF-00038L-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:03:32 -0400 Received: from Kevin.windriver.com ([147.11.233.11]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01594; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030708120200.03920960@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:02:53 -0400 To: entmib@ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Subject: Re: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State MIB Cc: entmib@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030708083046.0385f7f8@mail.windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi All, I was just reminded that it is usual to add a week to last calls that go over an IETF meeting, so I'd like to extend this last call until 29-July-03. Thanks, Margaret At 08:35 AM 7/8/2003 -0400, Margaret Wasserman wrote: >This is an Entity MIB working group last call for comments on advancing >the following >document as a Proposed Standard: > > Title : Entity State MIB > Author(s) : S. Chisholm, D. Perkins > Filename : draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt > Pages : 22 > Date : June 2003 > >The document can be found at: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt > >Please send substantive comments to the entmib mailing list, and minor >editorial >comments to the authors. This last call period will end on 22-July-2003. > >Margaret Wasserman >Entity MIB WG Chair > > >_______________________________________________ >Entmib mailing list >Entmib@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jul 8 12:04:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28898 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Zuww-0002w0-Kr for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:04:15 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h68G4EA6011267 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:04:14 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Zuwj-0002uo-5d; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:04:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ZuwL-0002nY-7B for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:03:37 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28815 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ZuwK-00039A-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:03:36 -0400 Received: from unknown-1-11.windriver.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ZuwF-00038L-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:03:32 -0400 Received: from Kevin.windriver.com ([147.11.233.11]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01594; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030708120200.03920960@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:02:53 -0400 To: entmib@ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Subject: Re: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State MIB Cc: entmib@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030708083046.0385f7f8@mail.windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi All, I was just reminded that it is usual to add a week to last calls that go over an IETF meeting, so I'd like to extend this last call until 29-July-03. Thanks, Margaret At 08:35 AM 7/8/2003 -0400, Margaret Wasserman wrote: >This is an Entity MIB working group last call for comments on advancing >the following >document as a Proposed Standard: > > Title : Entity State MIB > Author(s) : S. Chisholm, D. Perkins > Filename : draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt > Pages : 22 > Date : June 2003 > >The document can be found at: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt > >Please send substantive comments to the entmib mailing list, and minor >editorial >comments to the authors. This last call period will end on 22-July-2003. > >Margaret Wasserman >Entity MIB WG Chair > > >_______________________________________________ >Entmib mailing list >Entmib@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Wed Jul 9 11:14:00 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA04694 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19aGdE-0001DJ-N3; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:13:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19aFaM-0004La-PJ for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 10:06:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA01331 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19aFaK-0006pc-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 10:06:16 -0400 Received: from agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de ([134.169.34.18]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19aFaJ-0006pZ-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 10:06:15 -0400 Received: from hansa.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (hansa.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de [134.169.34.81]) by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h69E68Kb018783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:06:08 +0200 Received: from hansa.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (schoenw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hansa.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h69E68Sk021481; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:06:08 +0200 Received: (from schoenw@localhost) by hansa.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h69E67kt021478; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:06:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:06:07 +0200 Message-Id: <200307091406.h69E67kt021478@hansa.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: mrw@windriver.com CC: entmib@ietf.org In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20030708083046.0385f7f8@mail.windriver.com> (message from Margaret Wasserman on Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:35:34 -0400) Subject: Re: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State MIB References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030708083046.0385f7f8@mail.windriver.com> X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: -9.9 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.24 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , >>>>> Margaret Wasserman writes: Margaret> This is an Entity MIB working group last call for comments Margaret> on advancing the following document as a Proposed Standard: I have read draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt and I generally like this document. Below are some comments, many of them are editorial, others ask for more discussion of relationships to other MIBs. But I also understand that this can be done later when the document is revised. a) Typo in section 2: "so this term us substituted". b) Typo in section 2.1: "interesting issues not addresses in existing work" c) Typo in section 2.2: "It also compare this combination of states" d) state 'lock' for entStateAdmin of a container? e) entStatAdmin is actually entStateAdmin f) state 'active' for entStateUsage of a power supply? g) state 'active' for entStateUsage of a fan? h) Relationship of the entState* objects to the dot1dStpPortEnable of the BRIDGE-MIB? i) Relationship of the entState* objects to the hrDeviceStatus of the HOST-RESOURCES-MIB? j) Relationship of the entState* objects to the objects using the SubUnitStatus TC of the Printer-MIB? k) Is my understanding correct that alarmOutstanding(5) of the AlarmStatus TC is set when at least one of critical(2), major(3), minor(4), warning(6), indeterminate(7) is set? If not, the explanation can probably improved. ;-) l) Implementation of the notifications is unconditionally optional? m) In the security section, you may want to explain that access to the objects defined in this MIB allows to figure out what the active and standby resources in a network are and that this information can be used to optimize attacks on networks. So even read-only access to this MIB should be properly protected. y) In general, the description of the states for each combination of entity class and state value is incomplete (see d,e,f above). What is the interpretation of combinations not mentioned in the text? Are such combinations simply undefined but not illegal or are they illegal? Overall, I like this very much. A simple but highly useful addition to the ENTITY-MIB. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder International University Bremen P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen, Germany _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jul 9 11:14:11 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA04897 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19aGdP-0001SF-QH for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:13:43 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h69FDVkJ005587 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:13:31 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19aGdE-0001DJ-N3; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:13:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19aFaM-0004La-PJ for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 10:06:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA01331 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19aFaK-0006pc-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 10:06:16 -0400 Received: from agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de ([134.169.34.18]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19aFaJ-0006pZ-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 10:06:15 -0400 Received: from hansa.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (hansa.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de [134.169.34.81]) by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h69E68Kb018783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:06:08 +0200 Received: from hansa.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (schoenw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hansa.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h69E68Sk021481; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:06:08 +0200 Received: (from schoenw@localhost) by hansa.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h69E67kt021478; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:06:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:06:07 +0200 Message-Id: <200307091406.h69E67kt021478@hansa.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: mrw@windriver.com CC: entmib@ietf.org In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20030708083046.0385f7f8@mail.windriver.com> (message from Margaret Wasserman on Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:35:34 -0400) Subject: Re: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State MIB References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030708083046.0385f7f8@mail.windriver.com> X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: -9.9 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.24 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , >>>>> Margaret Wasserman writes: Margaret> This is an Entity MIB working group last call for comments Margaret> on advancing the following document as a Proposed Standard: I have read draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt and I generally like this document. Below are some comments, many of them are editorial, others ask for more discussion of relationships to other MIBs. But I also understand that this can be done later when the document is revised. a) Typo in section 2: "so this term us substituted". b) Typo in section 2.1: "interesting issues not addresses in existing work" c) Typo in section 2.2: "It also compare this combination of states" d) state 'lock' for entStateAdmin of a container? e) entStatAdmin is actually entStateAdmin f) state 'active' for entStateUsage of a power supply? g) state 'active' for entStateUsage of a fan? h) Relationship of the entState* objects to the dot1dStpPortEnable of the BRIDGE-MIB? i) Relationship of the entState* objects to the hrDeviceStatus of the HOST-RESOURCES-MIB? j) Relationship of the entState* objects to the objects using the SubUnitStatus TC of the Printer-MIB? k) Is my understanding correct that alarmOutstanding(5) of the AlarmStatus TC is set when at least one of critical(2), major(3), minor(4), warning(6), indeterminate(7) is set? If not, the explanation can probably improved. ;-) l) Implementation of the notifications is unconditionally optional? m) In the security section, you may want to explain that access to the objects defined in this MIB allows to figure out what the active and standby resources in a network are and that this information can be used to optimize attacks on networks. So even read-only access to this MIB should be properly protected. y) In general, the description of the states for each combination of entity class and state value is incomplete (see d,e,f above). What is the interpretation of combinations not mentioned in the text? Are such combinations simply undefined but not illegal or are they illegal? Overall, I like this very much. A simple but highly useful addition to the ENTITY-MIB. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder International University Bremen P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen, Germany _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Wed Jul 9 12:50:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA09553 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19aI8n-0004FC-Qu; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 12:50:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19aI87-0004EP-5Z for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 12:49:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA09512 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19aI85-0000cc-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 12:49:17 -0400 Received: from ierw.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.101]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19aI84-0000cZ-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 12:49:16 -0400 Received: from ierw.net.avaya.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ierw.net.avaya.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29453 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by ierw.net.avaya.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29428 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:46:30 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State MIB Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:49:14 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State MIB Thread-Index: AcNFTauBgT39aQm1SHCAG/7Tmkal1gAyjSng From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Margaret Wasserman" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are my comments. They are grouped in two categories, 'substantive' = and 'editorial'. Substantive Comments: A1) If entStateAdmin is to be made a read-write object, there is a need = for more clarity about what values are allowed to be set on write = operations. I assume that 'notSupported' is not a writeable value. but = how is a physical entity shut down? by setting the value of = entStateAdmin to 'shuttingDown' or to 'locked'? A2) I perceive a problem with the way 'usage state' is being defined and = modeled. The distinction between 'active' and 'busy' is not clear. The = difference between the two should be whether the entity has spare = capacity to serve additional 'users'. A phrase in section 2 mentions = that 'In the context of this MIB, the user is equivalent to an entity', = and I do not really know how to interpret this. Can entStateUsage of an = entity of type powerSupply have a value of 'active' if it does not = provide all amperage it is capable of, or only 'busy' is acceptable, as = 2.3.4.3 seems to indicate? Same question for a fan, that supports = several speeds?=20 A3) AlarmStatusTC - what does setting notSupported(0) bit mean? Is not = this same as indeterminate(7)? A4) StandbyStatus TC - I think that there is a need to define a new = value for 'load-sharing', even if this is not defined in X.731 A5) Notifications - first the names are very confusing - they are called = OperEnabled and OperDisabled, while they carry only entStateAdmin, and = entStateAlarm objects. I think that at least entStateOper should be = added. It also is not defined when these notifications are supposed to = be sent.=20 A6) The Security Considerations section should clearly articulate the = operational risks of writing on entStateAdmin. A7) Section 2.2.1 - A corrective action is not necessary in all cases to = make an entity available for use. In some cases setting the admin state = to unlock should be enough. Editorial Comments B1) Intellectual Property section is missing B2) Entity MIB and entity MIB are capitalized in an un-consistent manner = in the document. I suggest to use Entity MIB all over, starting with the = Abstract section. B3) What is the 'existing IETF model' mentioned in the first paragraph = of Section 2? B4) Also in the first paragraph in Section 2, replace 'leveraged' by = 'leverage'. B5) Section 2.1, first paragraph - replace 'addresses' by 'addressed' B6) Section 2.2 'compares' instead of 'compare' B7) I understand that 'state' and 'status' are interchangeable in this = document, but from a style point of view, the same noun should be used = in the same phrase. See second paragraph in 2.2 B8) All section 2.3 should be better organized. The way it is written, = it is not clear why some values are being omitted. It would be useful to = re-write it in a tabular manner, and be specific what values are = relevant for each entPhysicalType and each object. B9) replace 'chassis' by 'container' B10) 2.3.5.2 is incomprehensible B11) 2.3.9.1, 2.3.9.2 - replace 'system' by 'stack'.=20 B12) 2.4. - key word not capitalized B13) several DESCRIPTION clauses in the MIB would gain in readability if = enumerated value significance is written in separated lines I hope this helps. Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:mrw@windriver.com] > Sent: 08 July, 2003 3:36 PM > To: entmib@ietf.org > Subject: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State MIB >=20 >=20 >=20 > This is an Entity MIB working group last call for comments on=20 > advancing the=20 > following > document as a Proposed Standard: >=20 > Title : Entity State MIB > Author(s) : S. Chisholm, D. Perkins > Filename : draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt > Pages : 22 > Date : June 2003 >=20 > The document can be found at: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt >=20 > Please send substantive comments to the entmib mailing list,=20 > and minor=20 > editorial > comments to the authors. This last call period will end on=20 > 22-July-2003. >=20 > Margaret Wasserman > Entity MIB WG Chair >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Entmib mailing list > Entmib@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib >=20 _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jul 9 12:50:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA09555 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19aI8o-0004FT-QE for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 12:50:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h69Go2eX016325 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:50:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19aI8n-0004FC-Qu; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 12:50:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19aI87-0004EP-5Z for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 12:49:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA09512 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19aI85-0000cc-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 12:49:17 -0400 Received: from ierw.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.101]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19aI84-0000cZ-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 12:49:16 -0400 Received: from ierw.net.avaya.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ierw.net.avaya.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29453 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by ierw.net.avaya.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29428 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:46:30 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State MIB Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:49:14 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State MIB Thread-Index: AcNFTauBgT39aQm1SHCAG/7Tmkal1gAyjSng From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Margaret Wasserman" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are my comments. They are grouped in two categories, 'substantive' = and 'editorial'. Substantive Comments: A1) If entStateAdmin is to be made a read-write object, there is a need = for more clarity about what values are allowed to be set on write = operations. I assume that 'notSupported' is not a writeable value. but = how is a physical entity shut down? by setting the value of = entStateAdmin to 'shuttingDown' or to 'locked'? A2) I perceive a problem with the way 'usage state' is being defined and = modeled. The distinction between 'active' and 'busy' is not clear. The = difference between the two should be whether the entity has spare = capacity to serve additional 'users'. A phrase in section 2 mentions = that 'In the context of this MIB, the user is equivalent to an entity', = and I do not really know how to interpret this. Can entStateUsage of an = entity of type powerSupply have a value of 'active' if it does not = provide all amperage it is capable of, or only 'busy' is acceptable, as = 2.3.4.3 seems to indicate? Same question for a fan, that supports = several speeds?=20 A3) AlarmStatusTC - what does setting notSupported(0) bit mean? Is not = this same as indeterminate(7)? A4) StandbyStatus TC - I think that there is a need to define a new = value for 'load-sharing', even if this is not defined in X.731 A5) Notifications - first the names are very confusing - they are called = OperEnabled and OperDisabled, while they carry only entStateAdmin, and = entStateAlarm objects. I think that at least entStateOper should be = added. It also is not defined when these notifications are supposed to = be sent.=20 A6) The Security Considerations section should clearly articulate the = operational risks of writing on entStateAdmin. A7) Section 2.2.1 - A corrective action is not necessary in all cases to = make an entity available for use. In some cases setting the admin state = to unlock should be enough. Editorial Comments B1) Intellectual Property section is missing B2) Entity MIB and entity MIB are capitalized in an un-consistent manner = in the document. I suggest to use Entity MIB all over, starting with the = Abstract section. B3) What is the 'existing IETF model' mentioned in the first paragraph = of Section 2? B4) Also in the first paragraph in Section 2, replace 'leveraged' by = 'leverage'. B5) Section 2.1, first paragraph - replace 'addresses' by 'addressed' B6) Section 2.2 'compares' instead of 'compare' B7) I understand that 'state' and 'status' are interchangeable in this = document, but from a style point of view, the same noun should be used = in the same phrase. See second paragraph in 2.2 B8) All section 2.3 should be better organized. The way it is written, = it is not clear why some values are being omitted. It would be useful to = re-write it in a tabular manner, and be specific what values are = relevant for each entPhysicalType and each object. B9) replace 'chassis' by 'container' B10) 2.3.5.2 is incomprehensible B11) 2.3.9.1, 2.3.9.2 - replace 'system' by 'stack'.=20 B12) 2.4. - key word not capitalized B13) several DESCRIPTION clauses in the MIB would gain in readability if = enumerated value significance is written in separated lines I hope this helps. Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:mrw@windriver.com] > Sent: 08 July, 2003 3:36 PM > To: entmib@ietf.org > Subject: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity State MIB >=20 >=20 >=20 > This is an Entity MIB working group last call for comments on=20 > advancing the=20 > following > document as a Proposed Standard: >=20 > Title : Entity State MIB > Author(s) : S. Chisholm, D. Perkins > Filename : draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt > Pages : 22 > Date : June 2003 >=20 > The document can be found at: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt >=20 > Please send substantive comments to the entmib mailing list,=20 > and minor=20 > editorial > comments to the authors. This last call period will end on=20 > 22-July-2003. >=20 > Margaret Wasserman > Entity MIB WG Chair >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Entmib mailing list > Entmib@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib >=20 _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jul 15 07:26:30 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14391 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19cNwY-0008GQ-UF for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:26:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FBQ2uW031755 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:26:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19cNwX-0008Fz-DM; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:26:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19cNw1-0008FJ-J8 for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:25:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14381 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cNvw-0000lx-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:25:24 -0400 Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com ([192.11.222.161] helo=ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cNvW-0000la-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:24:58 -0400 Received: from nl0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-85-76-62.lucent.com [135.85.76.62]) by ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h6FBOEh07996 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 06:24:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: by nl0006exch001h.nl.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:24:13 +0200 Message-ID: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B1550201765B@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: "Entmib-wg (E-mail)" Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:24:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Entmib] draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , NIT: I see no copyright statement in the DESCRIPTION clause of the MODULE-IDENTITY. If you do another rev for whatever reason, pls add. Thanks, Bert _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Tue Jul 15 07:26:30 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14390 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19cNwX-0008Fz-DM; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:26:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19cNw1-0008FJ-J8 for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:25:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14381 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cNvw-0000lx-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:25:24 -0400 Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com ([192.11.222.161] helo=ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cNvW-0000la-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:24:58 -0400 Received: from nl0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-85-76-62.lucent.com [135.85.76.62]) by ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h6FBOEh07996 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 06:24:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: by nl0006exch001h.nl.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:24:13 +0200 Message-ID: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B1550201765B@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: "Entmib-wg (E-mail)" Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:24:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Entmib] draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , NIT: I see no copyright statement in the DESCRIPTION clause of the MODULE-IDENTITY. If you do another rev for whatever reason, pls add. Thanks, Bert _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 08:52:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA28873 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dUiO-0004vI-Cb; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:52:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dUhT-0004uc-N6 for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:51:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA28836 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dUhS-0000jg-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:51:02 -0400 Received: from unknown-1-11.windriver.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dUhH-0000it-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:50:51 -0400 Received: from ala-mrwtemp.windriver.com ([147.11.233.20]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA10115 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 05:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030718045545.01bc5920@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 04:56:30 -0400 To: entmib@ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_8211267==_" Subject: [Entmib] Draft Minutes Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=====================_8211267==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Here are the draft minutes for the Entity MIB meeting... Any comments? Margaret --=====================_8211267==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Entity-MIB-Minutes.txt" Entity MIB Minutes Tuesday, July 15, 2003 IETF 57 -- Vienna, Austria ========================== CHAIR: Margaret Wasserman AGENDA: Introduction and Agenda Bashing -- Margaret Wasserman (5 min) Entity MIB Open Issues (if any) -- Andy Bierman (15 min) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt Entity State MIB Open Issues (if any) -- Sharon Chisholm (15 min) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt Status/Milestone Update and Next Steps -- Margaret Wasserman (10 min) ENTITY MIB Andy presented one slide of changes made since last IETF, all based on consensus from the last meeting. Discussion of whether we need implementation reports available before WG last call. Those in the room were comfortable with the implementation information they've seen, and thought that it would be okay to start the last call in parallel with completing the implementation report. Entity MIB will be sent to WGLC for DS after the IETF. ENTITY STATE MIB Sharon presented the open issues with the Entity State MIB. Andy commented that he likes the addition of the "not supported" choice, as it is easier for application develoers. Some discussion of the meaning of states, and their relationship to X.731. We have added some values, and we have not supported all of their states. In particular, we are having trouble deciding how to interpret the usage state values. Dan commented that the draft is unclear on the distinction between 'active' and 'busy' for usage state. It is obvious for containers, but not for physical entities like power supplies. Needs clarification. Dan will send some suggestions to the list. Andy pointed out that the Entity State MIB doesn't include the new CPU enumeration. Will open a problem report in RT. Dave Perkins isn't convinced that the usage object is useful -- the values can all be derived from other objects. Discussion of how 'loadsharing' value of StandbyStatus TC would be applied to some physical entities. Andy pointed out that this isn't enough information to do something really useful. QUESTION: Should we add the 'load-balancing' value to the StandbyStatus TC. Marjority not to add, but not definitive. To be discussed on the list. Sharon will clarify description regarding the meanings of the notifications. Andy asked about hysteresis mechanism to avoid a lot of notifications when state is flapping. Sharon argued that it shouldn't happen, and Andy agreed that it is okay as is. Some clarifications needed on the topic of corrective action. Sharon will look at related MIBs and consider changes. Dave Perkins would like to see a prototype implementation before this goes to PS. Andy asked "why?", and Dave indicated that this is too important to change later. Andy thinks that there is a lot of lee-way for applications developers, particularly entStateOper. What does it mean at the chassis or system level? Andy will send suggestions. ACTION ITEMS ============ Margaret Last Call the Entity MIB for DS after IETF. Margaret Post Entity MIB implementation report on the web. Dan Send suggested wording for 'busy' and 'active' usage states. Andy Open a problem report in RT indicating that the CPU enumeration is missing in the Entity State MIB. All Comment on Entity State MIB last call. Sharon/Dave Update Entity State MIB after last call completes and circulate changes to the list for review. Andy Send suggestions for entStateOper for chassis. --=====================_8211267==_-- _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Jul 18 09:42:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA28874 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dUiO-0004vk-Tq for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:52:00 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h6ICq0tM018948 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:52:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dUiO-0004vI-Cb; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:52:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dUhT-0004uc-N6 for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:51:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA28836 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dUhS-0000jg-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:51:02 -0400 Received: from unknown-1-11.windriver.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dUhH-0000it-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:50:51 -0400 Received: from ala-mrwtemp.windriver.com ([147.11.233.20]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA10115 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 05:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030718045545.01bc5920@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 04:56:30 -0400 To: entmib@ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_8211267==_" Subject: [Entmib] Draft Minutes Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=====================_8211267==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Here are the draft minutes for the Entity MIB meeting... Any comments? Margaret --=====================_8211267==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Entity-MIB-Minutes.txt" Entity MIB Minutes Tuesday, July 15, 2003 IETF 57 -- Vienna, Austria ========================== CHAIR: Margaret Wasserman AGENDA: Introduction and Agenda Bashing -- Margaret Wasserman (5 min) Entity MIB Open Issues (if any) -- Andy Bierman (15 min) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt Entity State MIB Open Issues (if any) -- Sharon Chisholm (15 min) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt Status/Milestone Update and Next Steps -- Margaret Wasserman (10 min) ENTITY MIB Andy presented one slide of changes made since last IETF, all based on consensus from the last meeting. Discussion of whether we need implementation reports available before WG last call. Those in the room were comfortable with the implementation information they've seen, and thought that it would be okay to start the last call in parallel with completing the implementation report. Entity MIB will be sent to WGLC for DS after the IETF. ENTITY STATE MIB Sharon presented the open issues with the Entity State MIB. Andy commented that he likes the addition of the "not supported" choice, as it is easier for application develoers. Some discussion of the meaning of states, and their relationship to X.731. We have added some values, and we have not supported all of their states. In particular, we are having trouble deciding how to interpret the usage state values. Dan commented that the draft is unclear on the distinction between 'active' and 'busy' for usage state. It is obvious for containers, but not for physical entities like power supplies. Needs clarification. Dan will send some suggestions to the list. Andy pointed out that the Entity State MIB doesn't include the new CPU enumeration. Will open a problem report in RT. Dave Perkins isn't convinced that the usage object is useful -- the values can all be derived from other objects. Discussion of how 'loadsharing' value of StandbyStatus TC would be applied to some physical entities. Andy pointed out that this isn't enough information to do something really useful. QUESTION: Should we add the 'load-balancing' value to the StandbyStatus TC. Marjority not to add, but not definitive. To be discussed on the list. Sharon will clarify description regarding the meanings of the notifications. Andy asked about hysteresis mechanism to avoid a lot of notifications when state is flapping. Sharon argued that it shouldn't happen, and Andy agreed that it is okay as is. Some clarifications needed on the topic of corrective action. Sharon will look at related MIBs and consider changes. Dave Perkins would like to see a prototype implementation before this goes to PS. Andy asked "why?", and Dave indicated that this is too important to change later. Andy thinks that there is a lot of lee-way for applications developers, particularly entStateOper. What does it mean at the chassis or system level? Andy will send suggestions. ACTION ITEMS ============ Margaret Last Call the Entity MIB for DS after IETF. Margaret Post Entity MIB implementation report on the web. Dan Send suggested wording for 'busy' and 'active' usage states. Andy Open a problem report in RT indicating that the CPU enumeration is missing in the Entity State MIB. All Comment on Entity State MIB last call. Sharon/Dave Update Entity State MIB after last call completes and circulate changes to the list for review. Andy Send suggestions for entStateOper for chassis. --=====================_8211267==_-- _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 08:19:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA10891 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ew6e-0004OO-Jq; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:19:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ew2r-0004JX-SY for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:15:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA10797 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ew2q-00042S-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:15:04 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ew2g-00041R-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:14:54 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2003 05:20:12 -0700 Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h6MCDuuD022382 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ABIERMAN-W2K.cisco.com (sjc-vpn2-325.cisco.com [10.21.113.69]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id AJW09961; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030722050438.02578668@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com> X-Sender: abierman@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:10:57 -0700 To: entmib@ietf.org From: Andy Bierman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Entmib] support for cpu(12) in Entity State MIB Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, I tried to use the RT WEB site to enter a trouble ticket. I do not have permissions to enter a new ticket for the entity-state queue. Rather than mess around with this tool, I am telling the WG on the mailing list: - add text in section 2.3.x to define the appropriate MIB object values for a physical entity with an entPhysicalClass value of cpu(12). Andy _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 09:06:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA12061 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ewq9-00068i-3w; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:06:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ewpI-00067u-0C for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:05:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA12034 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ewpG-0004OA-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:05:06 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ewp5-0004NT-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:04:56 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2003 06:04:53 -0700 Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h6MD4389026461 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cisco.com (sjc-vpn1-440.cisco.com [10.21.97.184]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id AJW12983; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F1D3642.30203@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:04:02 -0700 From: Subrahmanya Hegde Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: entmib@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Entmib] feedback on entity state mib Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I would like to include following things in the Operational State of the entities. Atleast I would like entity mib working group to check whether these things can be added along with the existing ones Operational State/Usage: Boot : Device is in the process of booting or initialization failed : Entity is in failed state (so that it can not be used) mismatch : Entity mismatch with the expected entity missing : entity expected but currently not available. Thanks Subra _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jul 22 09:06:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA12062 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ewq9-000696-FJ for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:06:01 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h6MD61bJ023615 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:06:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ewq9-00068i-3w; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:06:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ewpI-00067u-0C for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:05:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA12034 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ewpG-0004OA-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:05:06 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ewp5-0004NT-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:04:56 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2003 06:04:53 -0700 Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h6MD4389026461 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cisco.com (sjc-vpn1-440.cisco.com [10.21.97.184]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id AJW12983; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F1D3642.30203@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:04:02 -0700 From: Subrahmanya Hegde Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: entmib@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Entmib] feedback on entity state mib Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I would like to include following things in the Operational State of the entities. Atleast I would like entity mib working group to check whether these things can be added along with the existing ones Operational State/Usage: Boot : Device is in the process of booting or initialization failed : Entity is in failed state (so that it can not be used) mismatch : Entity mismatch with the expected entity missing : entity expected but currently not available. Thanks Subra _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jul 22 09:08:00 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA10892 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ew6f-0004Oo-06 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:19:01 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h6MCJ0iN016902 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:19:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ew6e-0004OO-Jq; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:19:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ew2r-0004JX-SY for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:15:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA10797 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ew2q-00042S-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:15:04 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ew2g-00041R-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:14:54 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2003 05:20:12 -0700 Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h6MCDuuD022382 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ABIERMAN-W2K.cisco.com (sjc-vpn2-325.cisco.com [10.21.113.69]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id AJW09961; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030722050438.02578668@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com> X-Sender: abierman@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:10:57 -0700 To: entmib@ietf.org From: Andy Bierman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Entmib] support for cpu(12) in Entity State MIB Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, I tried to use the RT WEB site to enter a trouble ticket. I do not have permissions to enter a new ticket for the entity-state queue. Rather than mess around with this tool, I am telling the WG on the mailing list: - add text in section 2.3.x to define the appropriate MIB object values for a physical entity with an entPhysicalClass value of cpu(12). Andy _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 09:23:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA12698 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ex6a-0006pm-QO; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:23:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ex6C-0006oq-3W for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:22:36 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA12644 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ex6A-0004ZL-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:22:34 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ex5z-0004Z6-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:22:23 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2003 06:22:35 -0700 Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h6MDLkuG001336; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cisco.com (sjc-vpn1-440.cisco.com [10.21.97.184]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id AJW14047; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F1D3A69.7080200@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:21:45 -0700 From: Subrahmanya Hegde Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dperkins@snmpinfo.com, schishol@nortelnetworks.com, entmib@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Entmib] Editorial comments on ENTITY-STATE-MIB Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dave, Sharon Convention followed in many RFC MIBs is : The enumeration name used in the DESCRIPTION should be specified in quotes 'disabled' 'unsupported' etc. In my opinion, it will increase the readability. Is it possible you make these editorial changes? Subra _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jul 22 09:23:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA12701 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ex6b-0006qG-Hw for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:23:01 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h6MDN1Im026287 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:23:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ex6a-0006pm-QO; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:23:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ex6C-0006oq-3W for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:22:36 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA12644 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ex6A-0004ZL-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:22:34 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ex5z-0004Z6-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:22:23 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2003 06:22:35 -0700 Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h6MDLkuG001336; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cisco.com (sjc-vpn1-440.cisco.com [10.21.97.184]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id AJW14047; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F1D3A69.7080200@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:21:45 -0700 From: Subrahmanya Hegde Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dperkins@snmpinfo.com, schishol@nortelnetworks.com, entmib@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Entmib] Editorial comments on ENTITY-STATE-MIB Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dave, Sharon Convention followed in many RFC MIBs is : The enumeration name used in the DESCRIPTION should be specified in quotes 'disabled' 'unsupported' etc. In my opinion, it will increase the readability. Is it possible you make these editorial changes? Subra _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 10:35:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15683 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19eyEH-000135-35; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:35:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19eyDO-0000zf-DW for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:34:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15623 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eyDL-00052y-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:34:03 -0400 Received: from unknown-1-11.wrs.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eyD8-000524-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:33:51 -0400 Received: from ala-mrwtemp.windriver.com ([147.11.233.44]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA29981; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 07:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030722091519.03647e48@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:18:09 -0400 To: Bert Wijnen From: Margaret Wasserman Cc: Randy Bush , entmib@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Entmib] Entity MIB WG Summary Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Entity MIB WG Summary IETF 57 -- Vienna, Austria -- July 2003 ======================================= The Entity MIB WG currently has two open work items, the Entity MIB and the Entity State MIB. During the meeting, we agreed to finish our formal implementation report for the Entity MIB and send it to WG last call for DS. We discussed the remaining open issues with the Entity State MIB, and another update is expected to address the issues. _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jul 22 11:23:01 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15689 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19eyEH-000145-S7 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:35:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h6MEZ16k004069 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:35:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19eyEH-000135-35; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:35:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19eyDO-0000zf-DW for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:34:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15623 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eyDL-00052y-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:34:03 -0400 Received: from unknown-1-11.wrs.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eyD8-000524-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:33:51 -0400 Received: from ala-mrwtemp.windriver.com ([147.11.233.44]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA29981; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 07:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030722091519.03647e48@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:18:09 -0400 To: Bert Wijnen From: Margaret Wasserman Cc: Randy Bush , entmib@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Entmib] Entity MIB WG Summary Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Entity MIB WG Summary IETF 57 -- Vienna, Austria -- July 2003 ======================================= The Entity MIB WG currently has two open work items, the Entity MIB and the Entity State MIB. During the meeting, we agreed to finish our formal implementation report for the Entity MIB and send it to WG last call for DS. We discussed the remaining open issues with the Entity State MIB, and another update is expected to address the issues. _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 11:23:01 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15684 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19eyEH-00013D-8n; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:35:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19eyDO-0000zg-EA for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:34:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15626 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eyDL-000530-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:34:03 -0400 Received: from unknown-1-11.wrs.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eyD8-00051q-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:33:51 -0400 Received: from ala-mrwtemp.windriver.com ([147.11.233.44]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA00092 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 07:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030722091811.0361d740@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:24:16 -0400 To: entmib@ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity MIB for Draft Standard Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is an Entity MIB working group last call for comments on advancing the following document as a Draft Standard: Title : Entity MIB (Version 3) Author(s) : K. McCloghrie, A. Bierman Filename : draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt Date : May 2003 The document can be found at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt Please send substantive comments to the entmib mailing list, and minor editorial comments to the authors. This last call period will end on August 5th, 2003. Margaret Wasserman Entity MIB WG Chair _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jul 22 11:23:02 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15688 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19eyEH-000148-SE for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:35:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h6MEZ1Cc004070 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:35:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19eyEH-00013D-8n; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:35:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19eyDO-0000zg-EA for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:34:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15626 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eyDL-000530-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:34:03 -0400 Received: from unknown-1-11.wrs.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eyD8-00051q-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:33:51 -0400 Received: from ala-mrwtemp.windriver.com ([147.11.233.44]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA00092 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 07:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030722091811.0361d740@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:24:16 -0400 To: entmib@ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity MIB for Draft Standard Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is an Entity MIB working group last call for comments on advancing the following document as a Draft Standard: Title : Entity MIB (Version 3) Author(s) : K. McCloghrie, A. Bierman Filename : draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt Date : May 2003 The document can be found at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt Please send substantive comments to the entmib mailing list, and minor editorial comments to the authors. This last call period will end on August 5th, 2003. Margaret Wasserman Entity MIB WG Chair _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 16:04:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25254 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19f3Me-0006qZ-Lq; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:04:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19cOVv-0001dw-1q for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:02:35 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA15613 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: margaret.wasserman@comcast.net Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cOVm-0001Da-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:02:26 -0400 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cOVM-0001DH-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:02:00 -0400 Received: from rwcrwbc06 (unknown[204.127.197.116](misconfigured sender)) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003071512005201400rev5je>; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:00:52 +0000 Received: from [81.160.253.251] by rwcrwbc06; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:00:49 +0000 To: entmib@ietf.org Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:00:49 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 26 2003) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyZ2FyZXQud2Fzc2VybWFuQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Message-Id: Subject: [Entmib] (no subject) Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Here are the minutes I took during the session today. Action items are at the end. Let me know if I missed anything. Margaret Entity MIB Minutes Tuesday, July 15, 2003 IETF 57 -- Vienna, Austria ========================== CHAIR: Margaret Wasserman AGENDA: Introduction and Agenda Bashing -- Margaret Wasserman (5 min) Entity MIB Open Issues (if any) -- Andy Bierman (15 min) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt Entity State MIB Open Issues (if any) -- Sharon Chisholm (15 min) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt Status/Milestone Update and Next Steps -- Margaret Wasserman (10 min) ENTITY MIB Andy presented one slide of changes made since last IETF, all based on consensus from the last meeting. Discussion of whether we need implementation reports available before WG last call. Those in the room were comfortable with the implementation information they've seen, and thought that it would be okay to start the last call in parallel with completing the implementation report. Entity MIB will be sent to WGLC for DS after the IETF. ENTITY STATE MIB Sharon presented the open issues with the Entity State MIB. Andy commented that he likes the addition of the "not supported" choice, as it is easier for application develoers. Some discussion of the meaning of states, and their relationship to X.731. We have added some values, and we have not supported all of their states. In particular, we are having trouble deciding how to interpret the usage state values. Dan commented that the draft is unclear on the distinction between 'active' and 'busy' for usage state. It is obvious for containers, but not for physical entities like power supplies. Needs clarification. Dan will send some suggestions to the list. Andy pointed out that the Entity State MIB doesn't include the new CPU enumeration. Will open a problem report in RT. Dave Perkins isn't convinced that the usage object is useful -- the values can all be derived from other objects. Discussion of how 'loadsharing' value of StandbyStatus TC would be applied to some physical entities. Andy pointed out that this isn't enough information to do something really useful. QUESTION: Should we add the 'load-balancing' value to the StandbyStatus TC. Marjority not to add, but not definitive. To be discussed on the list. Sharon will clarify description regarding the meanings of the notifications. Andy asked about hysteresis mechanism to avoid a lot of notifications when state is flapping. Sharon argued that it shouldn't happen, and Andy agreed that it is okay as is. Some clarifications needed on the topic of corrective action. Sharon will look at related MIBs and consider changes. Dave Perkins would like to see a prototype implementation before this goes to PS. Andy asked "why?", and Dave indicated that this is too important to change later. Andy thinks that there is a lot of lee-way for applications developers, particularly entStateOper. What does it mean at the chassis or system level? Andy will send suggestions. ACTION ITEMS ============ Margaret Last Call the Entity MIB for DS after IETF. Margaret Post Entity MIB implementation report on the web. Dan Send suggested wording for 'busy' and 'active' usage states. Andy Open a problem report in RT indicating that the CPU enumeration is missing in the Entity State MIB. All Comment on Entity State MIB last call. Sharon/Dave Update Entity State MIB after last call completes and circulate changes to the list for review. Andy Send suggestions for entStateOper for chassis. _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jul 22 16:04:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25257 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19f3Mf-0006qn-Cn for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:04:01 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h6MK41h4026330 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:04:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19f3Me-0006qZ-Lq; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:04:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19cOVv-0001dw-1q for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:02:35 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA15613 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: margaret.wasserman@comcast.net Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cOVm-0001Da-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:02:26 -0400 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cOVM-0001DH-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:02:00 -0400 Received: from rwcrwbc06 (unknown[204.127.197.116](misconfigured sender)) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003071512005201400rev5je>; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:00:52 +0000 Received: from [81.160.253.251] by rwcrwbc06; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:00:49 +0000 To: entmib@ietf.org Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:00:49 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 26 2003) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyZ2FyZXQud2Fzc2VybWFuQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Message-Id: Subject: [Entmib] (no subject) Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Here are the minutes I took during the session today. Action items are at the end. Let me know if I missed anything. Margaret Entity MIB Minutes Tuesday, July 15, 2003 IETF 57 -- Vienna, Austria ========================== CHAIR: Margaret Wasserman AGENDA: Introduction and Agenda Bashing -- Margaret Wasserman (5 min) Entity MIB Open Issues (if any) -- Andy Bierman (15 min) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt Entity State MIB Open Issues (if any) -- Sharon Chisholm (15 min) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-state-01.txt Status/Milestone Update and Next Steps -- Margaret Wasserman (10 min) ENTITY MIB Andy presented one slide of changes made since last IETF, all based on consensus from the last meeting. Discussion of whether we need implementation reports available before WG last call. Those in the room were comfortable with the implementation information they've seen, and thought that it would be okay to start the last call in parallel with completing the implementation report. Entity MIB will be sent to WGLC for DS after the IETF. ENTITY STATE MIB Sharon presented the open issues with the Entity State MIB. Andy commented that he likes the addition of the "not supported" choice, as it is easier for application develoers. Some discussion of the meaning of states, and their relationship to X.731. We have added some values, and we have not supported all of their states. In particular, we are having trouble deciding how to interpret the usage state values. Dan commented that the draft is unclear on the distinction between 'active' and 'busy' for usage state. It is obvious for containers, but not for physical entities like power supplies. Needs clarification. Dan will send some suggestions to the list. Andy pointed out that the Entity State MIB doesn't include the new CPU enumeration. Will open a problem report in RT. Dave Perkins isn't convinced that the usage object is useful -- the values can all be derived from other objects. Discussion of how 'loadsharing' value of StandbyStatus TC would be applied to some physical entities. Andy pointed out that this isn't enough information to do something really useful. QUESTION: Should we add the 'load-balancing' value to the StandbyStatus TC. Marjority not to add, but not definitive. To be discussed on the list. Sharon will clarify description regarding the meanings of the notifications. Andy asked about hysteresis mechanism to avoid a lot of notifications when state is flapping. Sharon argued that it shouldn't happen, and Andy agreed that it is okay as is. Some clarifications needed on the topic of corrective action. Sharon will look at related MIBs and consider changes. Dave Perkins would like to see a prototype implementation before this goes to PS. Andy asked "why?", and Dave indicated that this is too important to change later. Andy thinks that there is a lot of lee-way for applications developers, particularly entStateOper. What does it mean at the chassis or system level? Andy will send suggestions. ACTION ITEMS ============ Margaret Last Call the Entity MIB for DS after IETF. Margaret Post Entity MIB implementation report on the web. Dan Send suggested wording for 'busy' and 'active' usage states. Andy Open a problem report in RT indicating that the CPU enumeration is missing in the Entity State MIB. All Comment on Entity State MIB last call. Sharon/Dave Update Entity State MIB after last call completes and circulate changes to the list for review. Andy Send suggestions for entStateOper for chassis. _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 18:00:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA27773 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19f5Av-0002gy-6d; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:00:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19f5Ai-0002fq-0t for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:59:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA27741 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19f5Af-0007d8-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:59:45 -0400 Received: from shell4.bayarea.net ([209.128.82.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19f5AU-0007ck-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:59:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (heard@localhost) by shell4.bayarea.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6MLx3g32130; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:59:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: shell4.bayarea.net: heard owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:59:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "C. M. Heard" X-Sender: heard@shell4.bayarea.net To: entmib@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Entmib] Re: WG Last Call: Entity MIB for Draft Standard Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 Margaret Wasserman forwarded the following message to the mibs@ops.ietf.org list: > This is an Entity MIB working group last call for comments on > advancing the following document as a Draft Standard: > > Title : Entity MIB (Version 3) > Author(s) : K. McCloghrie, A. Bierman > Filename : draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt > Date : May 2003 > > The document can be found at: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt > > Please send substantive comments to the entmib mailing list, and > minor editorial comments to the authors. This last call period > will end on August 5th, 2003. There may be a problem in advancing this document to Draft Standard since it contains a new TC -- PhysicalIndexOrZero -- which has not been used in any object definition. I suppose that this is open to interpretation, but in the AToM MIB WG we assumed for the purposes of advancing RFC 2493 (which contains only TCs) that we'd have to provide evidence that each TC had been used in defining at least one object that was implemented by two vendors. For details see: http://www.ietf.org/IESG/Implementations/RFC2493-Implementation.txt In the case of PhysicalIndexOrZero the problem of not being used in any object definitions (if it is a problem) can be easily overcome by changing entPhysicalContainedIn OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX Integer32 (0..2147483647) MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "The value of entPhysicalIndex for the physical entity which 'contains' this physical entity. A value of zero indicates this physical entity is not contained in any other physical entity. Note that the set of 'containment' relationships define a strict hierarchy; that is, recursion is not allowed. In the event a physical entity is contained by more than one physical entity (e.g., double-wide modules), this object should identify the containing entity with the lowest value of entPhysicalIndex." ::= { entPhysicalEntry 4 } to: entPhysicalContainedIn OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX PhysicalIndexOrZero MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "The value of entPhysicalIndex for the physical entity which 'contains' this physical entity. A value of zero indicates this physical entity is not contained in any other physical entity. Note that the set of 'containment' relationships define a strict hierarchy; that is, recursion is not allowed. In the event a physical entity is contained by more than one physical entity (e.g., double-wide modules), this object should identify the containing entity with the lowest value of entPhysicalIndex." ::= { entPhysicalEntry 4 } as suggested some time ago by Juergen Schoenwaelder. In my opinion this is a very good idea on its own merits, irrespective of the process question I have raised, and I strongly urge the WG to consider making this change before submitting the document to the IESG. (Indeed, PhysicalIndexOrZero seems to be made exactly for objects such as entPhysicalContainedIn, and in a MIB doctor review I would ask why it was not used.) If the WG agrees to make this change, then the following additional changes (or something like them) would also be needed: OLD: EntPhysicalEntry ::= SEQUENCE { ... entPhysicalContainedIn Integer32, ... } NEW: EntPhysicalEntry ::= SEQUENCE { ... entPhysicalContainedIn PhysicalIndexOrZero, ... } OLD: 4.15.3. Bugfixes The syntax was changed from INTEGER to Integer32 for the entPhysicalContainedIn, entPhysicalParentRelPos, entLogicalIndex, and entAliasLogicalIndexOrZero objects. NEW: 4.15.3. Bugfixes The syntax was changed from INTEGER to Integer32 for the entPhysicalParentRelPos, entLogicalIndex, and entAliasLogicalIndexOrZero objects, and from INTEGER to PhysicalIndexOrZero for the entPhysicalContainedIn object. Best regards, Mike Heard _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jul 22 18:00:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA27774 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19f5Av-0002hH-UL for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:00:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h6MM01lh010367 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:00:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19f5Av-0002gy-6d; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:00:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19f5Ai-0002fq-0t for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:59:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA27741 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19f5Af-0007d8-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:59:45 -0400 Received: from shell4.bayarea.net ([209.128.82.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19f5AU-0007ck-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:59:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (heard@localhost) by shell4.bayarea.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6MLx3g32130; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:59:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: shell4.bayarea.net: heard owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:59:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "C. M. Heard" X-Sender: heard@shell4.bayarea.net To: entmib@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Entmib] Re: WG Last Call: Entity MIB for Draft Standard Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 Margaret Wasserman forwarded the following message to the mibs@ops.ietf.org list: > This is an Entity MIB working group last call for comments on > advancing the following document as a Draft Standard: > > Title : Entity MIB (Version 3) > Author(s) : K. McCloghrie, A. Bierman > Filename : draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt > Date : May 2003 > > The document can be found at: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt > > Please send substantive comments to the entmib mailing list, and > minor editorial comments to the authors. This last call period > will end on August 5th, 2003. There may be a problem in advancing this document to Draft Standard since it contains a new TC -- PhysicalIndexOrZero -- which has not been used in any object definition. I suppose that this is open to interpretation, but in the AToM MIB WG we assumed for the purposes of advancing RFC 2493 (which contains only TCs) that we'd have to provide evidence that each TC had been used in defining at least one object that was implemented by two vendors. For details see: http://www.ietf.org/IESG/Implementations/RFC2493-Implementation.txt In the case of PhysicalIndexOrZero the problem of not being used in any object definitions (if it is a problem) can be easily overcome by changing entPhysicalContainedIn OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX Integer32 (0..2147483647) MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "The value of entPhysicalIndex for the physical entity which 'contains' this physical entity. A value of zero indicates this physical entity is not contained in any other physical entity. Note that the set of 'containment' relationships define a strict hierarchy; that is, recursion is not allowed. In the event a physical entity is contained by more than one physical entity (e.g., double-wide modules), this object should identify the containing entity with the lowest value of entPhysicalIndex." ::= { entPhysicalEntry 4 } to: entPhysicalContainedIn OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX PhysicalIndexOrZero MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "The value of entPhysicalIndex for the physical entity which 'contains' this physical entity. A value of zero indicates this physical entity is not contained in any other physical entity. Note that the set of 'containment' relationships define a strict hierarchy; that is, recursion is not allowed. In the event a physical entity is contained by more than one physical entity (e.g., double-wide modules), this object should identify the containing entity with the lowest value of entPhysicalIndex." ::= { entPhysicalEntry 4 } as suggested some time ago by Juergen Schoenwaelder. In my opinion this is a very good idea on its own merits, irrespective of the process question I have raised, and I strongly urge the WG to consider making this change before submitting the document to the IESG. (Indeed, PhysicalIndexOrZero seems to be made exactly for objects such as entPhysicalContainedIn, and in a MIB doctor review I would ask why it was not used.) If the WG agrees to make this change, then the following additional changes (or something like them) would also be needed: OLD: EntPhysicalEntry ::= SEQUENCE { ... entPhysicalContainedIn Integer32, ... } NEW: EntPhysicalEntry ::= SEQUENCE { ... entPhysicalContainedIn PhysicalIndexOrZero, ... } OLD: 4.15.3. Bugfixes The syntax was changed from INTEGER to Integer32 for the entPhysicalContainedIn, entPhysicalParentRelPos, entLogicalIndex, and entAliasLogicalIndexOrZero objects. NEW: 4.15.3. Bugfixes The syntax was changed from INTEGER to Integer32 for the entPhysicalParentRelPos, entLogicalIndex, and entAliasLogicalIndexOrZero objects, and from INTEGER to PhysicalIndexOrZero for the entPhysicalContainedIn object. Best regards, Mike Heard _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 18:10:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28599 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19f5Kb-000358-68; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:10:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19f5K1-00034n-4A for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:09:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28475 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19f5Jy-0007fi-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:09:22 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19f5Jn-0007fd-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:09:11 -0400 Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h6MM8Z89028668; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ABIERMAN-W2K.cisco.com (sjc-vpn2-325.cisco.com [10.21.113.69]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id AJW88601; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030722150324.02566730@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com> X-Sender: abierman@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:05:35 -0700 To: "C. M. Heard" From: Andy Bierman Subject: Re: [Entmib] Re: WG Last Call: Entity MIB for Draft Standard Cc: entmib@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , At 02:59 PM 7/22/2003, C. M. Heard wrote: I agree with these changes. Andy >On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 Margaret Wasserman forwarded the following >message to the mibs@ops.ietf.org list: >> This is an Entity MIB working group last call for comments on >> advancing the following document as a Draft Standard: >> >> Title : Entity MIB (Version 3) >> Author(s) : K. McCloghrie, A. Bierman >> Filename : draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt >> Date : May 2003 >> >> The document can be found at: >> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt >> >> Please send substantive comments to the entmib mailing list, and >> minor editorial comments to the authors. This last call period >> will end on August 5th, 2003. > >There may be a problem in advancing this document to Draft Standard >since it contains a new TC -- PhysicalIndexOrZero -- which has not >been used in any object definition. I suppose that this is open >to interpretation, but in the AToM MIB WG we assumed for the purposes >of advancing RFC 2493 (which contains only TCs) that we'd have to >provide evidence that each TC had been used in defining at least >one object that was implemented by two vendors. For details see: >http://www.ietf.org/IESG/Implementations/RFC2493-Implementation.txt > >In the case of PhysicalIndexOrZero the problem of not being used in >any object definitions (if it is a problem) can be easily overcome >by changing > >entPhysicalContainedIn OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Integer32 (0..2147483647) > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "The value of entPhysicalIndex for the physical entity which > 'contains' this physical entity. A value of zero indicates > this physical entity is not contained in any other physical > entity. Note that the set of 'containment' relationships > define a strict hierarchy; that is, recursion is not > allowed. > > In the event a physical entity is contained by more than one > physical entity (e.g., double-wide modules), this object > should identify the containing entity with the lowest value > of entPhysicalIndex." > ::= { entPhysicalEntry 4 } > >to: > >entPhysicalContainedIn OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX PhysicalIndexOrZero > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "The value of entPhysicalIndex for the physical entity which > 'contains' this physical entity. A value of zero indicates > this physical entity is not contained in any other physical > entity. Note that the set of 'containment' relationships > define a strict hierarchy; that is, recursion is not > allowed. > > In the event a physical entity is contained by more than one > physical entity (e.g., double-wide modules), this object > should identify the containing entity with the lowest value > of entPhysicalIndex." > ::= { entPhysicalEntry 4 } > > >as suggested some time ago by Juergen Schoenwaelder. In my opinion >this is a very good idea on its own merits, irrespective of the process >question I have raised, and I strongly urge the WG to consider making >this change before submitting the document to the IESG. (Indeed, >PhysicalIndexOrZero seems to be made exactly for objects such as >entPhysicalContainedIn, and in a MIB doctor review I would ask why >it was not used.) > >If the WG agrees to make this change, then the following additional >changes (or something like them) would also be needed: > >OLD: >EntPhysicalEntry ::= SEQUENCE { > ... > entPhysicalContainedIn Integer32, > ... >} > >NEW: >EntPhysicalEntry ::= SEQUENCE { > ... > entPhysicalContainedIn PhysicalIndexOrZero, > ... >} > > >OLD: >4.15.3. Bugfixes > >The syntax was changed from INTEGER to Integer32 for the >entPhysicalContainedIn, entPhysicalParentRelPos, entLogicalIndex, and >entAliasLogicalIndexOrZero objects. > >NEW: >4.15.3. Bugfixes > >The syntax was changed from INTEGER to Integer32 for the >entPhysicalParentRelPos, entLogicalIndex, and >entAliasLogicalIndexOrZero objects, and from INTEGER to >PhysicalIndexOrZero for the entPhysicalContainedIn object. > > >Best regards, > >Mike Heard > > >_______________________________________________ >Entmib mailing list >Entmib@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jul 22 18:58:02 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28600 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19f5Kb-00035Z-CJ for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:10:01 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h6MMA1dC011856 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:10:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19f5Kb-000358-68; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:10:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19f5K1-00034n-4A for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:09:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28475 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19f5Jy-0007fi-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:09:22 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19f5Jn-0007fd-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:09:11 -0400 Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h6MM8Z89028668; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ABIERMAN-W2K.cisco.com (sjc-vpn2-325.cisco.com [10.21.113.69]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id AJW88601; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030722150324.02566730@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com> X-Sender: abierman@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:05:35 -0700 To: "C. M. Heard" From: Andy Bierman Subject: Re: [Entmib] Re: WG Last Call: Entity MIB for Draft Standard Cc: entmib@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , At 02:59 PM 7/22/2003, C. M. Heard wrote: I agree with these changes. Andy >On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 Margaret Wasserman forwarded the following >message to the mibs@ops.ietf.org list: >> This is an Entity MIB working group last call for comments on >> advancing the following document as a Draft Standard: >> >> Title : Entity MIB (Version 3) >> Author(s) : K. McCloghrie, A. Bierman >> Filename : draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt >> Date : May 2003 >> >> The document can be found at: >> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-entmib-v3-01.txt >> >> Please send substantive comments to the entmib mailing list, and >> minor editorial comments to the authors. This last call period >> will end on August 5th, 2003. > >There may be a problem in advancing this document to Draft Standard >since it contains a new TC -- PhysicalIndexOrZero -- which has not >been used in any object definition. I suppose that this is open >to interpretation, but in the AToM MIB WG we assumed for the purposes >of advancing RFC 2493 (which contains only TCs) that we'd have to >provide evidence that each TC had been used in defining at least >one object that was implemented by two vendors. For details see: >http://www.ietf.org/IESG/Implementations/RFC2493-Implementation.txt > >In the case of PhysicalIndexOrZero the problem of not being used in >any object definitions (if it is a problem) can be easily overcome >by changing > >entPhysicalContainedIn OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Integer32 (0..2147483647) > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "The value of entPhysicalIndex for the physical entity which > 'contains' this physical entity. A value of zero indicates > this physical entity is not contained in any other physical > entity. Note that the set of 'containment' relationships > define a strict hierarchy; that is, recursion is not > allowed. > > In the event a physical entity is contained by more than one > physical entity (e.g., double-wide modules), this object > should identify the containing entity with the lowest value > of entPhysicalIndex." > ::= { entPhysicalEntry 4 } > >to: > >entPhysicalContainedIn OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX PhysicalIndexOrZero > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "The value of entPhysicalIndex for the physical entity which > 'contains' this physical entity. A value of zero indicates > this physical entity is not contained in any other physical > entity. Note that the set of 'containment' relationships > define a strict hierarchy; that is, recursion is not > allowed. > > In the event a physical entity is contained by more than one > physical entity (e.g., double-wide modules), this object > should identify the containing entity with the lowest value > of entPhysicalIndex." > ::= { entPhysicalEntry 4 } > > >as suggested some time ago by Juergen Schoenwaelder. In my opinion >this is a very good idea on its own merits, irrespective of the process >question I have raised, and I strongly urge the WG to consider making >this change before submitting the document to the IESG. (Indeed, >PhysicalIndexOrZero seems to be made exactly for objects such as >entPhysicalContainedIn, and in a MIB doctor review I would ask why >it was not used.) > >If the WG agrees to make this change, then the following additional >changes (or something like them) would also be needed: > >OLD: >EntPhysicalEntry ::= SEQUENCE { > ... > entPhysicalContainedIn Integer32, > ... >} > >NEW: >EntPhysicalEntry ::= SEQUENCE { > ... > entPhysicalContainedIn PhysicalIndexOrZero, > ... >} > > >OLD: >4.15.3. Bugfixes > >The syntax was changed from INTEGER to Integer32 for the >entPhysicalContainedIn, entPhysicalParentRelPos, entLogicalIndex, and >entAliasLogicalIndexOrZero objects. > >NEW: >4.15.3. Bugfixes > >The syntax was changed from INTEGER to Integer32 for the >entPhysicalParentRelPos, entLogicalIndex, and >entAliasLogicalIndexOrZero objects, and from INTEGER to >PhysicalIndexOrZero for the entPhysicalContainedIn object. > > >Best regards, > >Mike Heard > > >_______________________________________________ >Entmib mailing list >Entmib@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 03:50:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA04985 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19fENt-0006O4-2t; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:50:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19fENe-0006N5-0y for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:49:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA04975 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19fENb-0002nP-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:49:43 -0400 Received: from merkur.iu-bremen.de ([212.201.44.27]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19fENQ-0002mq-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:49:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merkur.iu-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A253F1ADEE; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:47:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from james (unknown [212.201.47.15]) by merkur.iu-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C02178E1; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:47:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: by james (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9F6DC8507; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:47:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:47:23 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "C. M. Heard" Cc: entmib@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Entmib] Re: WG Last Call: Entity MIB for Draft Standard Message-ID: <20030723074723.GA668@iu-bremen.de> Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de Mail-Followup-To: "C. M. Heard" , entmib@ietf.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12pre8 Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 02:59:01PM -0700, C. M. Heard wrote: > > In the case of PhysicalIndexOrZero the problem of not being used in > any object definitions (if it is a problem) can be easily overcome > by changing > > entPhysicalContainedIn OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Integer32 (0..2147483647) [...] > entPhysicalContainedIn OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX PhysicalIndexOrZero [...] > > as suggested some time ago by Juergen Schoenwaelder. In my opinion > this is a very good idea on its own merits, irrespective of the process > question I have raised, and I strongly urge the WG to consider making > this change before submitting the document to the IESG. I do of course still support this change. :-) /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder International University Bremen P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen, Germany _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jul 23 03:50:30 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA04999 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19fENt-0006Ox-Qk for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:50:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h6N7o1Ql024593 for entmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:50:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19fENt-0006O4-2t; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:50:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19fENe-0006N5-0y for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:49:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA04975 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19fENb-0002nP-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:49:43 -0400 Received: from merkur.iu-bremen.de ([212.201.44.27]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19fENQ-0002mq-00 for entmib@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:49:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merkur.iu-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A253F1ADEE; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:47:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from james (unknown [212.201.47.15]) by merkur.iu-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C02178E1; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:47:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: by james (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9F6DC8507; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:47:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:47:23 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "C. M. Heard" Cc: entmib@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Entmib] Re: WG Last Call: Entity MIB for Draft Standard Message-ID: <20030723074723.GA668@iu-bremen.de> Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de Mail-Followup-To: "C. M. Heard" , entmib@ietf.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12pre8 Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 02:59:01PM -0700, C. M. Heard wrote: > > In the case of PhysicalIndexOrZero the problem of not being used in > any object definitions (if it is a problem) can be easily overcome > by changing > > entPhysicalContainedIn OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Integer32 (0..2147483647) [...] > entPhysicalContainedIn OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX PhysicalIndexOrZero [...] > > as suggested some time ago by Juergen Schoenwaelder. In my opinion > this is a very good idea on its own merits, irrespective of the process > question I have raised, and I strongly urge the WG to consider making > this change before submitting the document to the IESG. I do of course still support this change. :-) /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder International University Bremen P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen, Germany _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib From entmib-admin@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 17:02:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA02673 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19fQkL-0006cK-Uh; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:02:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19fQk4-0006Xb-Mv for entmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:01:44 -0400 Received: from ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com (ihemail2.lucent.com [192.11.222.163]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA02631 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nl0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-85-76-62.lucent.com [135.85.76.62]) by ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h6NL09s22288 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:00:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: by nl0006exch001h.nl.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:00:08 +0200 Message-ID: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B1550213B671@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: Margaret Wasserman , entmib@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Entmib] WG Last Call: Entity MIB for Draft Standard Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:00:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: entmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: entmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: entmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IETF Entity MIB WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Pls add a line to the abstract that indicates that this document obsoletes RFC2737. 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