From nobody Wed Sep 13 06:21:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietf.org Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F64213303A; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 06:19:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.61.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: extra@ietf.org, The IESG , extra-chairs@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <150530879505.30447.6254387313626087988.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 06:19:55 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 06:21:34 -0700 Subject: [Extra] WG Action: Formed Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend (extra) X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:19:55 -0000 A new IETF WG has been formed in the Applications and Real-Time Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chair. Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend (extra) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Current status: Proposed WG Chairs: Bron Gondwana Assigned Area Director: Alexey Melnikov Applications and Real-Time Area Directors: Adam Roach Ben Campbell Alexey Melnikov Mailing list: Address: extra@ietf.org To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/extra/ Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/extra/ Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-extra/ The IETF maintains several key email related protocols that relate to message delivery to mailstores and mailstore access. These include the following: IMAP (RFC3501) SIEVE (RFC5228) ManageSieve (RFC5804) >From time to time, there are bursts of work to do and the motivation and critical mass to do it. When such bursts coincide, it's important to give them a home. This working group provides such a venue. The WG will work on updates, extensions, and revisions to the above email protocols. Upon formation, the working group will consider any existing Internet Drafts that could be appropriate for its processing. While an interest poll for a new related idea is fine, the WG should avoid detailed discussion of work items lacking an Internet-Draft. The working group will start with processing the backlog of IMAP/Sieve extensions. Once this is done it will continue processing submitted IMAP/Sieve extensions, as well as work on a revision of IMAP (RFC 3501). Work on updating this RFC will include appropriate corrections, clarifications, or amplifications to reflect existing practice or to address problems that have been identified through experience with IMAP as currently specified. Also eligible for consideration is the incorporation of accumulated errata or consolidation with newer documents that have updated and/or extended the base specification. However, any new functionality is expected to be pursued via extensions rather than changes to the base protocol wherever possible. If there is interest in revising SIEVE (RFC5228) and ManageSieve (RFC5804), the WG will recharter. Expressly excluded from this charter is work on any protocol for which a dedicated working group already exists, such as DMARC, DCRUP or JMAP, as well as any work on POP3, SMTP/LMTP and email format/MIME. However, each working group should endeavor to remain aware of the activities of the other and collaborate as needed. Milestones: Sep 2017 - Submit "Sieve Email Filtering: Delivering to Special-Use Mailboxes" to IESG as a Proposed Standard Oct 2017 - Submit "IMAP4 Extension for Returning MYRIGHTS Information in Extended LIST" to IESG as a Proposed Standard Dec 2017 - Submit "64bit body part and message sizes in IMAP4" to IESG as a Proposed Standard From nobody Thu Sep 14 14:55:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietf.org Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6229E1320D9; Thu, 14 Sep 2017 14:40:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: extra@ietf.org, brong@fastmailteam.com, extra-chairs@ietf.org, aamelnikov@fastmail.fm X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.61.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150542525934.18953.4761090473362305539.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 14:40:59 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 14:55:08 -0700 Subject: [Extra] extra - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 21:40:59 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Bron Gondwana, a Chair of the extra working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Bron Gondwana Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 25 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: jmap dmarc Second Priority: calext People who must be present: Alexey Melnikov Bron Gondwana Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Sep 15 06:33:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietf.org Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF251332CE; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 06:31:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: extra@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.61.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150548228353.2958.14489032490864434102@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 06:31:23 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 06:33:04 -0700 Subject: [Extra] I-D Action: draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit-00.txt X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 13:31:23 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend WG of the IETF. Title : 64bit body part and message sizes in IMAP4 Authors : Alexey Melnikov Jayantheesh S B Filename : draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit-00.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2017-09-13 Abstract: This document defines an IMAPv4rev1 extension that extends the existing IMAPv4rev1 32 Bit message and body part sizes to 63 bit. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Sep 15 06:33:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietf.org Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F7A13331E; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 06:31:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: extra@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.61.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150548230907.2942.7847827116466838169@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 06:31:49 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 06:33:04 -0700 Subject: [Extra] I-D Action: draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-00.txt X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 13:31:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend WG of the IETF. Title : Sieve Email Filtering: Delivering to Special-Use Mailboxes Author : Stephan Bosch Filename : draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-00.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2017-09-13 Abstract: The SPECIAL-USE capability of the IMAP protocol (RFC 6154) allows clients to identify special-use mailboxes; e.g., where draft or sent messages should be put. This simplifies client configuration. In contrast, the Sieve mail filtering language (RFC 5228) currently has no such capability. This memo defines a Sieve extension that fills this gap: it adds a test for checking whether a special-use attribute is assigned for a particular mailbox or any mailbox, and it adds the ability to file messages into an anonymous mailbox that has a particular special-use attribute assigned. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Sep 15 09:07:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DAE1321CB for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:07:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EQwO0-zQJKqH for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sogo.guto.nl (guto.nl [178.21.117.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97311126BF3 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lab.inertia-technology.com ([217.119.239.130] helo=[192.168.1.104]) by sogo.guto.nl with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1dst8r-0004qA-EL; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 18:06:58 +0200 To: Alexey Melnikov From: Stephan Bosch Cc: extra@ietf.org Message-ID: <0871fcf6-f0c5-a4b7-f1e4-7a535d78d776@rename-it.nl> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 18:06:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 217.119.239.130 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: stephan@rename-it.nl X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on sogo.guto.nl) Archived-At: Subject: [Extra] Some comments on draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:07:06 -0000 Hi, I gave draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit a quick look. I have a few comments on the syntax specification. First of all, the elements fetch-att, msg-att-static, and search-key are just copy-pasted from RFC 3501. Those are meant to have number64 instead. I wonder whether it would be a good idea to have intermediary elements called e.g. `msg-size = number64' and `msg-lines = number64', so that future changes/extensions to the message size and line count syntax aren't such a pain anymore. The "capability" syntax element is not extended (arguably not all specifications do this). Finally, the following IMAP capabilities have syntax that is affected by this extension: QUOTA - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2087.txt BINARY - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3516.txt (not only literal8) URL-PARTIAL - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5550.txt -> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5092.txt (partial-range) APPENDLIMIT - https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7889.txt Regards, Stephan. 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.8.4-Rev11 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite X-purgate-ID: 151428::1505492960-0000034F-650DFED2/0/0 X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-size: 799 X-purgate-Ad: Categorized by eleven eXpurgate (R) http://www.eleven.de X-purgate: This mail is considered clean (visit http://www.eleven.de for further information) X-purgate: clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] Some comments on draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:29:27 -0000 > On September 15, 2017 at 10:25 AM "HANSEN, TONY L" wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 9/15/17, 12:07 PM, "Extra on behalf of Stephan Bosch" wrote: >=20 > I gave draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit a quick look. I have a few comment= s=20 >=20 >=20 > I too have a couple comments. If it=E2=80=99s called the 64bit extension,= why are the numbers limited to 63 bits? Why not the full 64-bit range? >=20 > I=E2=80=99m sure there=E2=80=99s a good reason (or perhaps not). Probably for the same reasons outlined here: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7162#section-3.1 Although that design decision should be made explicit in the text of this g= raph (or at least a reference to decision as outlined in 7162). michael From nobody Fri Sep 15 09:31:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF41126BF3 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:31:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=open-xchange.com header.b=O7MxSxPx; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=open-xchange.com header.b=s7+YI0K2; 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Fri, 15 Sep 2017 18:31:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 10:31:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Michael Slusarz To: extra@ietf.org Message-ID: <562521391.2365.1505493087094@appsuite.open-xchange.com> In-Reply-To: <712044986.2363.1505492959243@appsuite.open-xchange.com> References: <0871fcf6-f0c5-a4b7-f1e4-7a535d78d776@rename-it.nl> <712044986.2363.1505492959243@appsuite.open-xchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.8.4-Rev11 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite X-purgate-ID: 151428::1505493088-0000034F-E78DCDCB/0/0 X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-size: 967 X-purgate-Ad: Categorized by eleven eXpurgate (R) http://www.eleven.de X-purgate: This mail is considered clean (visit http://www.eleven.de for further information) X-purgate: clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] Some comments on draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:31:34 -0000 > On September 15, 2017 at 10:29 AM Michael Slusarz wrote: >=20 >=20 > > On September 15, 2017 at 10:25 AM "HANSEN, TONY L" wrote= : > >=20 > >=20 > > On 9/15/17, 12:07 PM, "Extra on behalf of Stephan Bosch" wrote: > >=20 > > I gave draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit a quick look. I have a few comme= nts=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > I too have a couple comments. If it=E2=80=99s called the 64bit extensio= n, why are the numbers limited to 63 bits? Why not the full 64-bit range? > >=20 > > I=E2=80=99m sure there=E2=80=99s a good reason (or perhaps not). >=20 > Probably for the same reasons outlined here: >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7162#section-3.1 >=20 > Although that design decision should be made explicit in the text of this= graph (or at least a reference to decision as outlined in 7162). Ugh. s/graph/draft/ From nobody Fri Sep 15 13:15:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF656134203 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 13:15:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ai3FOxwCBKC1 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 13:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.dovecot.fi (wursti.dovecot.fi [94.237.32.243]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB46C1341FB for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 13:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.168.3.2] (klara.student.utwente.nl [130.89.162.218]) by mail.dovecot.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1EAE62A6900 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:15:42 +0300 (EEST) References: <150550552210.4829.13725181093730673324@ietfa.amsl.com> To: extra@ietf.org From: Stephan Bosch X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <150550552210.4829.13725181093730673324@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: <248fe119-38eb-c558-958b-4d881d807539@dovecot.fi> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 22:14:30 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <150550552210.4829.13725181093730673324@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F3A89007E5293069507AE743" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Extra] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-bosch-imap-savedate-00.txt X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 20:15:02 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F3A89007E5293069507AE743 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, A while back, I created a specification for an existing, vendor-specific Dovecot IMAP feature that was supported implicitly (without a capability identifier). It is called SAVEDATE. I submitted it as a draft now in an effort to get it standardized. See the attached I-D announcement. Please let me know what you think. Regards, Stephan. --------------F3A89007E5293069507AE743 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="I-D Action: draft-bosch-imap-savedate-00_txt.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="I-D Action: draft-bosch-imap-savedate-00_txt.eml" Return-path: Envelope-to: stephan@rename-it.nl Delivery-date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:59:03 +0200 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by sogo.guto.nl with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1dswlR-0001od-Hn for stephan@rename-it.nl; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:59:02 +0200 Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D71E133207; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ietf.org; s=ietf1; t=1505505525; bh=yNhKc2BLI6lUUqlCrhI7/JInNPPvBGIBtjDkDM8wEYs=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive: List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe:Reply-To; b=OwD3GDXVZkM3e1xP6IpQutrKaovII/7LwgoNhiKz+8U9ceZVhMT544Zw6xDN5g3Lp nmiwHyNJxZngzImlsNMF2+woMe2xOoh1K0WD+5rZkPBf8PITcGfd9EkZEpEXBw2v05 5AoncgS7WA8P3PL8jxrWygBEdKFHw1xZ3KvNQzs0= X-Original-To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Delivered-To: i-d-announce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF1A1341EF for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 12:58:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.61.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150550552210.4829.13725181093730673324@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 12:58:42 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Internet Draft Announcements only List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org Sender: "I-D-Announce" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=4.31.198.44; envelope-from=i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org; helo=mail.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 4.31.198.44 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on sogo.guto.nl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RP_MATCHES_RCVD,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Subject: I-D Action: draft-bosch-imap-savedate-00.txt X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on sogo.guto.nl) A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) - SAVEDATE Extension Author : Stephan Bosch Filename : draft-bosch-imap-savedate-00.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2017-09-15 Abstract: This document adds a new capability called "SAVEDATE" to the Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP). It defines a new IMAP message attribute called 'save date' that, unlike the existing 'internal date' attribute, always indicates the moment at which the message was saved in its current mailbox. The SAVEDATE capability extends the FETCH command with the means to retrieve the save date attribute and it extends the SEARCH command to allow using that attribute in searching criteria. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bosch-imap-savedate/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bosch-imap-savedate-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bosch-imap-savedate-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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It is called STATUS=SIZE. I submitted it as a draft now in an effort to get it standardized. See the attached I-D announcement. Please let me know what you think. 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Title : Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) - STATUS=SIZE Extension Author : Stephan Bosch Filename : draft-bosch-imap-status-size-00.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2017-09-15 Abstract: This document adds a new capability called "STATUS=SIZE" to the Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP). It allows retrieving the total storage size of a mailbox with a single STATUS command rather than retrieving and summing the sizes of all individual messages in that mailbox. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bosch-imap-status-size/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bosch-imap-status-size-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bosch-imap-status-size-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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We expose this in Cyrus IMAPd as a metadata item: /shared/vendor/cmu/cyrus-imapd/size Cleanly that's not very standard-like - but it does raise a question whether we want to standardise some per-mailbox metadata items rather than define extra capabilities. Bron. On Sat, 16 Sep 2017, at 06:16, Stephan Bosch wrote: > Hi, > > A while back, I created a specification for an existing, vendor- > specific> Dovecot IMAP feature that was supported implicitly (without a > capability> identifier). It is called STATUS=SIZE. > > I submitted it as a draft now in an effort to get it standardized. See> the attached I-D announcement. > > Please let me know what you think. > > Regards, > > Stephan. > _________________________________________________ > Extra mailing list > Extra@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra > Email had 1 attachment: > * I-D Action: draft-bosch-imap-status-size-00_txt.eml 4k > (message/rfc822) -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd brong@fastmailteam.com --_----------=_150557484137348801 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Makes sense.  We expose this in Cyrus IMAPd as a metadata item:

/shared/vendor/cmu/cyrus-imapd/size

Cleanly that's not very standard-like - but it does raise a question whether we want to standardise some per-mailbox metadata items rather than define extra capabilities.

Bron.


On Sat, 16 Sep 2017, at 06:16, Stephan Bosch wrote:
Hi,

A while back, I created a specification for an existing, vendor-specific
Dovecot IMAP feature that was supported implicitly (without a capability
identifier). It is called STATUS=SIZE.

I submitted it as a draft now in an effort to get it standardized. See
the attached I-D announcement.

Please let me know what you think.

Regards,

Stephan.
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Email had 1 attachment:

  • I-D Action: draft-bosch-imap-status-size-00_txt.eml
      4k (message/rfc822)

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Yeah, round tripping via a signed 6= 4 bit value is nice.


On Sat, 16 Sep 2017, at 02:25, HANSEN, TONY L wrote:
On 9/15/17, 12:07 PM, "Extra on behalf of St= ephan Bosch"

    I gave draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit a quick look. I have = a few
    comments


I too have a couple comments. If it=E2=80=99s called the 64bit extensi= on, why are
the numbers limited to 63 bits? Why not the full 64-bit range?

I=E2=80=99m sure there=E2=80=99s a good reason (or perhaps not).

Tony Hansen

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--_----------=_150557491637349610-- From nobody Sat Sep 16 08:23:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3053013307A for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:23:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y0mcaJ-6p7FN for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [IPv6:2607:f2f8:abf8::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D12E133079 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minnie.hitronhub.home (S0106a84e3f81a003.vc.shawcable.net [24.80.126.119]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v8GFNTNc043235 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:23:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Lyndon Nerenberg In-Reply-To: <1505574841.3734880.1108225672.013A6D8F@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:23:23 -0700 Cc: extra@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <59471F9E-0097-445D-9D25-588D237F9A58@orthanc.ca> References: <150550593670.4878.7401114252080548250@ietfa.amsl.com> <3efa806c-abc4-09c5-8687-45fdca460c5c@dovecot.fi> <1505574841.3734880.1108225672.013A6D8F@webmail.messagingengine.com> To: Bron Gondwana X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-bosch-imap-status-size-00.txt X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 15:23:34 -0000 > On Sep 16, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Bron Gondwana = wrote: >=20 > Cleanly that's not very standard-like - but it does raise a question = whether we want to standardise some per-mailbox metadata items rather = than define extra capabilities. I agree. The possibilities for exposing standardized metadata are = pretty open ended. The potential to overwhelm the capability list is = quite high once you start factoring in all the possible metadata = variations. We could ponder defining a standard metadata namespace (a table of = contents, I guess you could call it) that defines other standardized = metadata namespaces presented by the server. That could be flagged with = a capability (METATOC ?), directing clients to do the indirect lookup = through the TOC. --lyndon From nobody Sat Sep 16 08:27:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BD9133079 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:27:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=isode.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VWRPJfzM6HUe for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from waldorf.isode.com (waldorf.isode.com [62.232.206.188]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFF81321A0 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:27:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1505575655; d=isode.com; s=june2016; i=@isode.com; bh=QqcYzqosh+qX8Kk3VJr0JSQV8zkl8EY+yq+bcZBaoPQ=; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version: In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description; b=vjuuIBtOhp7/SepXCSPeeDXcDctW3DwwGhV87COCCKRZ38RKINIoUss8zKoLX3ziamam21 7UKLOHrIYAKY7Jd7HWdjt1yKAx7JUEWZiTRTlQcDDdbCk81IDovA038i99ZTyZC4Ee0fRI 8lKIcWOzNQmFuQNvZVc/QAbuJja2wh8=; Received: from [192.168.0.6] (cpc121086-nmal24-2-0-cust54.19-2.cable.virginm.net [77.97.145.55]) by waldorf.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPSA id ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 16:27:35 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov X-Mailer: iPad Mail (14F89) In-Reply-To: <1505574916.3734961.1108226832.6279CACB@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 16:30:23 +0100 Cc: extra@ietf.org Message-Id: <95F5ABD0-EB0F-4B41-89EE-6DD438B2061E@isode.com> References: <0871fcf6-f0c5-a4b7-f1e4-7a535d78d776@rename-it.nl> <1505574916.3734961.1108226832.6279CACB@webmail.messagingengine.com> To: Bron Gondwana MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1D8C58DD-7241-4B48-ACE7-103A2D971132 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] Some comments on draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 15:27:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1D8C58DD-7241-4B48-ACE7-103A2D971132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On 16 Sep 2017, at 16:15, Bron Gondwana wrote: >=20 > Yeah, round tripping via a signed 64 bit value is nice. Basically for compatibility with Java. >=20 >> On Sat, 16 Sep 2017, at 02:25, HANSEN, TONY L wrote: >> On 9/15/17, 12:07 PM, "Extra on behalf of Stephan Bosch" >> wrote: >>=20 >> I gave draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit a quick look. I have a few >> comments >>=20 >>=20 >> I too have a couple comments. If it=92s called the 64bit extension, why a= re >> the numbers limited to 63 bits? Why not the full 64-bit range? >>=20 >> I=92m sure there=92s a good reason (or perhaps not). >>=20 >> Tony Hansen >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Extra mailing list >> Extra@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra >=20 > -- > Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd > brong@fastmailteam.com >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Extra mailing list > Extra@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra --Apple-Mail-1D8C58DD-7241-4B48-ACE7-103A2D971132 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 16 Sep 20= 17, at 16:15, Bron Gondwana <br= ong@fastmailteam.com> wrote:

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Yeah, round tripping via a signed 64 bit v= alue is nice.

Basically for compatibility wi= th Java.

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= --Apple-Mail-1D8C58DD-7241-4B48-ACE7-103A2D971132-- From nobody Sat Sep 16 08:52:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2CF1321A1 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:51:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uzDTNrKklKDW for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [IPv6:2607:f2f8:abf8::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D0421201F8 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minnie.hitronhub.home (S0106a84e3f81a003.vc.shawcable.net [24.80.126.119]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v8GFpsJh043345 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:51:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Lyndon Nerenberg In-Reply-To: <95F5ABD0-EB0F-4B41-89EE-6DD438B2061E@isode.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:51:49 -0700 Cc: Bron Gondwana , extra@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2440791C-5A21-4853-9A6F-6110FDE10853@orthanc.ca> References: <0871fcf6-f0c5-a4b7-f1e4-7a535d78d776@rename-it.nl> <1505574916.3734961.1108226832.6279CACB@webmail.messagingengine.com> <95F5ABD0-EB0F-4B41-89EE-6DD438B2061E@isode.com> To: Alexey Melnikov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] Some comments on draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 15:51:59 -0000 > On Sep 16, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Alexey Melnikov = wrote: >=20 >> Yeah, round tripping via a signed 64 bit value is nice. >=20 > Basically for compatibility with Java. =46rom a practical standpoint, nobody is going to miss that extra bit if = sizes are restricted to 2^63 (vs ^64) =46rom a purists point of view, using a signed int to represent = something that cannot possibly be negative is wrong. Back in the days = of the IMAP interop events, throwing protocol elements with sizes of = 2^32 =C2=B11 and +0 was guaranteed to take out at least half the server = implementations on the floor. --lyndon From nobody Sat Sep 16 08:56:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF12133061 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:56:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Cu6Y1dtF0uG for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [IPv6:2607:f2f8:abf8::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3E5D1321A1 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minnie.hitronhub.home (S0106a84e3f81a003.vc.shawcable.net [24.80.126.119]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v8GFubWE043373 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:56:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Lyndon Nerenberg In-Reply-To: <2440791C-5A21-4853-9A6F-6110FDE10853@orthanc.ca> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 08:56:32 -0700 Cc: extra@ietf.org, Bron Gondwana Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0871fcf6-f0c5-a4b7-f1e4-7a535d78d776@rename-it.nl> <1505574916.3734961.1108226832.6279CACB@webmail.messagingengine.com> <95F5ABD0-EB0F-4B41-89EE-6DD438B2061E@isode.com> <2440791C-5A21-4853-9A6F-6110FDE10853@orthanc.ca> To: Alexey Melnikov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] Some comments on draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 15:56:42 -0000 > On Sep 16, 2017, at 8:51 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg = wrote: >=20 > with sizes of 2^32 =C2=B11 and +0 Sorry, my fat fingers meant to type =C2=B12 for the +0 there :-P= From nobody Sat Sep 16 11:29:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B28133023 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:29:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8YJahwtcv9Hb for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.dovecot.fi (wursti.dovecot.fi [94.237.32.243]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB1912421A for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.168.3.2] (klara.student.utwente.nl [130.89.162.218]) by mail.dovecot.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 237242A6900; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 21:30:08 +0300 (EEST) To: Bron Gondwana , extra@ietf.org References: <150550593670.4878.7401114252080548250@ietfa.amsl.com> <3efa806c-abc4-09c5-8687-45fdca460c5c@dovecot.fi> <1505574841.3734880.1108225672.013A6D8F@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Stephan Bosch Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 20:29:18 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1505574841.3734880.1108225672.013A6D8F@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-bosch-imap-status-size-00.txt X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 18:29:22 -0000 Op 9/16/2017 om 5:14 PM schreef Bron Gondwana: > Makes sense.  We expose this in Cyrus IMAPd as a metadata item: > > /shared/vendor/cmu/cyrus-imapd/size > > Cleanly that's not very standard-like - but it does raise a question > whether we want to standardise some per-mailbox metadata items rather > than define extra capabilities. I agree having a METADATA subtree for all kinds of mailbox properties like this is useful. Still, for storage size, I like a STATUS data item better, particularly because it can be queried for several mailboxes at the same time using a single LIST command. And it pairs quite well with the existing MESSAGES item (with QUOTA in mind). Also, I am hoping that this is simple enough that it can be part of IMAP4rev2 once we get there, thereby removing it from the capability list. Regards, Stephan. > > On Sat, 16 Sep 2017, at 06:16, Stephan Bosch wrote: >> Hi, >> >> A while back, I created a specification for an existing, vendor-specific >> Dovecot IMAP feature that was supported implicitly (without a capability >> identifier). It is called STATUS=SIZE. >> >> I submitted it as a draft now in an effort to get it standardized. See >> the attached I-D announcement. >> >> Please let me know what you think. >> >> Regards, >> >> Stephan. >> _________________________________________________ >> Extra mailing list >> Extra@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra >> >> Email had 1 attachment: >> >> * >> |I-D Action: draft-bosch-imap-status-size-00_txt.eml| >>   4k (message/rfc822) >> > > -- >   Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd >   brong@fastmailteam.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Extra mailing list > Extra@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra -- Stephan Bosch Senior Developer Phone: +49 2761 75252 00 Fax: +49 2761 75252 30 Email: stephan.bosch@dovecot.fi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Open-Xchange AG, Rollnerstr. 14, 90408 Nuremberg, District Court Nuremberg HRB 24738 Managing Board: Rafael Laguna de la Vera, Carsten Dirks, Michael Knapstein Chairman of the Board: Richard Seibt Dovecot Oy, 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This draft is a work item of the Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend WG of the IETF. Title : 64bit body part and message sizes in IMAP4 Authors : Alexey Melnikov Jayantheesh S B Filename : draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit-01.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2017-09-18 Abstract: This document defines an IMAPv4rev1 extension that extends the existing IMAPv4rev1 32 Bit message and body part sizes to 63 bit. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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This draft is a work item of the Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend WG of the IETF. Title : 64bit body part and message sizes in IMAP4 Authors : Alexey Melnikov Jayantheesh S B Filename : draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit-01.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2017-09-18 Abstract: This document defines an IMAPv4rev1 extension that extends the existing IMAPv4rev1 32 Bit message and body part sizes to 63 bit. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Sep 18 05:01:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF971321C9 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=isode.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8A0qRuVWXY1u for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 05:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from waldorf.isode.com (waldorf.isode.com [62.232.206.188]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A006132193 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 05:01:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1505736113; d=isode.com; s=june2016; i=@isode.com; bh=xAJnRxvdyVbqgQcI+aIBwhZmp9WeAIZRZJX0TzyOI4o=; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version: In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description; b=ZldWHgbRunZjHVGKAOJ4w+Fw4ljt1WM77jG84MxirRrsk32kwvxxauYsQQgaTgZ2IbOZRh l37tliipgK8P3Q5g48jx89tqyxtkmjvUNDmAnH8u5OrZdPPT+yghZTOCGjzQc1088aAiab SMJCOVNMKza7xX4ZKzjxfj3GvllVr6o=; Received: from [172.20.1.215] (dhcp-215.isode.net [172.20.1.215]) by waldorf.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPSA id ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:01:53 +0100 To: Stephan Bosch Cc: extra@ietf.org References: <0871fcf6-f0c5-a4b7-f1e4-7a535d78d776@rename-it.nl> From: Alexey Melnikov Message-ID: <23e24098-e6c2-cf67-e667-bc8cbcba7f33@isode.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:01:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 In-Reply-To: <0871fcf6-f0c5-a4b7-f1e4-7a535d78d776@rename-it.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D7F84FB6C434E61AB6C623F0" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] Some comments on draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:01:56 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D7F84FB6C434E61AB6C623F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Stephan, On 15/09/2017 17:06, Stephan Bosch wrote: > Hi, > > I gave draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit a quick look. I have a few comments > on the syntax specification. > > First of all, the elements fetch-att, msg-att-static, and search-key > are just copy-pasted from RFC 3501. Those are meant to have number64 > instead. Yes, fixed. > I wonder whether it would be a good idea to have intermediary elements > called e.g. `msg-size = number64' and `msg-lines = number64', so that > future changes/extensions to the message size and line count syntax > aren't such a pain anymore. Might be a good idea. If you send me the specific ABNF fragment, this will speed up the process. > The "capability" syntax element is not extended (arguably not all > specifications do this). This is typically done in prose. > Finally, the following IMAP capabilities have syntax that is affected > by this extension: > > QUOTA - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2087.txt Good point, I will have a look. > BINARY - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3516.txt (not only literal8) Looking at the ABNF: append =/ "APPEND" SP mailbox [SP flag-list] [SP date-time] SP literal8 fetch-att =/ "BINARY" [".PEEK"] section-binary [partial] / "BINARY.SIZE" section-binary literal8 = "~{" number "}" CRLF *OCTET ; represents the number of OCTETs ; in the response string. msg-att-static =/ "BINARY" section-binary SP (nstring / literal8) / "BINARY.SIZE" section-binary SP number partial = "<" number "." nz-number ">" resp-text-code =/ "UNKNOWN-CTE" section-binary = "[" [section-part] "]" I don't think we need 64bit section numbers, but I missed updating "partial". > URL-PARTIAL - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5550.txt -> > https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5092.txt (partial-range) > APPENDLIMIT - https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7889.txt Yes, these need to be looked at as well. Best Regards, Alexey --------------D7F84FB6C434E61AB6C623F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi Stephan,


On 15/09/2017 17:06, Stephan Bosch wrote:
Hi,

I gave draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit a quick look. I have a few comments on the syntax specification.

First of all, the elements fetch-att, msg-att-static, and search-key are just copy-pasted from RFC 3501. Those are meant to have number64 instead.
Yes, fixed.

I wonder whether it would be a good idea to have intermediary elements called e.g. `msg-size = number64' and `msg-lines = number64', so that future changes/extensions to the message size and line count syntax aren't such a pain anymore.
Might be a good idea. If you send me the specific ABNF fragment, this will speed up the process.

The "capability" syntax element is not extended (arguably not all specifications do this).
This is typically done in prose.

Finally, the following IMAP capabilities have syntax that is affected by this extension:

QUOTA - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2087.txt
Good point, I will have a look.
BINARY - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3516.txt (not only literal8)

Looking at the ABNF:

   append         =/  "APPEND" SP mailbox [SP flag-list]
                      [SP date-time] SP literal8

   fetch-att      =/  "BINARY" [".PEEK"] section-binary [partial]
                      / "BINARY.SIZE" section-binary

   literal8       =   "~{" number "}" CRLF *OCTET
                      ; <number> represents the number of OCTETs
                      ; in the response string.

   msg-att-static =/  "BINARY" section-binary SP (nstring / literal8)
                      / "BINARY.SIZE" section-binary SP number

   partial        =   "<" number "." nz-number ">"

   resp-text-code =/  "UNKNOWN-CTE"

   section-binary =   "[" [section-part] "]"


I don't think we need 64bit section numbers, but I missed updating "partial".

URL-PARTIAL - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5550.txt -> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5092.txt (partial-range)
APPENDLIMIT - https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7889.txt
Yes, these need to be looked at as well.

Best Regards,
Alexey

--------------D7F84FB6C434E61AB6C623F0-- From nobody Mon Sep 18 05:24:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB08126B6D for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 05:24:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fastmailteam.com header.b=ZBQD3fnG; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=KCBBFBcp Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id voo_kPkbgY0m for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 05:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64DB1124F57 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 05:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id C165D20D61 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 08:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web4 ([10.202.2.214]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 18 Sep 2017 08:24:20 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= fastmailteam.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date :from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=X1x9NBfwU+DRAaYrV2J8BXG2IkJ6Tl6KAL+r7mIgW ZI=; b=ZBQD3fnG8dIR9QBq9lHvsDjXCShrRVTs6vsU+nsc9FhftQ+wqVPndySDW 5x2cHHLPg6DVn7aKuJ2w0bNdOkdMq7MvdZTS33FBRAHG8/K+P00ZAYGluT/48H/f /IsdzioQiAj5oPwFM1m+yO3ZFUIe/mour4Ofs94JBafHcMJjAtuFiJvpRYYzJKqm irAfhsgUlX092NLlX/SzA2HG14Y89hYMu/sdcF05Omd9qeYTPaPM3DcsY9Oa0cBB 5vKWI3e+77XjSdz7bPOmUpQUL6npO3KSQkzPUz2RZgOhynWe8Cjh2E3XAp4eGOHe eMPEpxHRxqiyJ8XKZGdck74Q/3a3g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=X1x9NBfwU+DRAaYrV2J8BXG2IkJ6T l6KAL+r7mIgWZI=; b=KCBBFBcpr0Obfh0cU9RYQVFzN3ITc0ieFLo/GxYka8U9v t8EOhasDoEJD2hr5FO6S4X7v5OzvKrGDeLGuWFWanSPIwAZcewDvYohpn3j1yLfC ryH3UAjCU08IHqn9jFLeg4zZWrhxTN/2YeVCZIrpLaz/9/1Px6LnKsCC1xJF/Tn2 +X6i6o+YdvsxeyHt+IBRU26WZe7fzcGP0MaleaVcq3XJqk62GHD0QAFwJRUzRQ1u kzIl0jdS2oAAhUoEeXF6HqqRdfO0fKYjiiLu1s+SlM2MAtNHQ5AV6QiULHAGuR+a FUas1bSClayLuaLR+1GhwIPnuNYOxgQPBalCfVLYw== X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9EEBEBAB76; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 08:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1505737460.3444475.1109706696.755B973A@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Bron Gondwana To: extra@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_150573746034444751" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-64b08692 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 22:24:20 +1000 Archived-At: Subject: [Extra] GitHub issues for tracking document changes X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:24:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_150573746034444751 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi All, This group is likely to have a more diverse pool of authors than many working groups, so I'd like to just get a quick indication from anybody who is an author or is likely to be an author for a spec - are you using a public issue tracker already to track changes to your document? It seems to be working quite well over on the JMAP spec: https://github.com/jmapio/jmap/issues And I'd be happy to create a github project called ietf-extra or something and then a repository per spec under that where we can track issues. Does anybody have any strong feelings for a different system? I'm happy to do the legwork of making sure threads here get turned into issues, so it's more for the authors if they're happy working with github. Cheers, Bron. -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd brong@fastmailteam.com --_----------=_150573746034444751 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Hi All,

This group is likely to have a more diverse pool of authors than many working groups, so I'd like to just get a quick indication from anybody who is an author or is likely to be an author for a spec - are you using a public issue tracker already to track changes to your document?  It seems to be working quite well over on the JMAP spec:


And I'd be happy to create a github project called ietf-extra or something and then a repository per spec under that where we can track issues.  Does anybody have any strong feelings for a different system?  I'm happy to do the legwork of making sure threads here get turned into issues, so it's more for the authors if they're happy working with github.

Cheers,

Bron.

--
  Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd
  brong@fastmailteam.com


--_----------=_150573746034444751-- From nobody Mon Sep 18 14:21:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B791241F3 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:21:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VrJIZBgU4065 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.dovecot.fi (wursti.dovecot.fi [94.237.32.243]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96F21321DE for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.168.3.2] (klara.student.utwente.nl [130.89.162.218]) by mail.dovecot.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2B3ED2B3CCD; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 00:21:46 +0300 (EEST) To: Bron Gondwana , extra@ietf.org References: <1505737460.3444475.1109706696.755B973A@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Stephan Bosch Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 23:20:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1505737460.3444475.1109706696.755B973A@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] GitHub issues for tracking document changes X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:21:16 -0000 Op 9/18/2017 om 2:24 PM schreef Bron Gondwana: > Hi All, > > This group is likely to have a more diverse pool of authors than many > working groups, so I'd like to just get a quick indication from > anybody who is an author or is likely to be an author for a spec - are > you using a public issue tracker already to track changes to your > document?  It seems to be working quite well over on the JMAP spec: > > https://github.com/jmapio/jmap/issues > I'm using GitLab, but not public at the moment. I guess it could at least be mirrored to GitHub. > And I'd be happy to create a github project called ietf-extra or > something and then a repository per spec under that where we can track > issues.  Does anybody have any strong feelings for a different > system?  I'm happy to do the legwork of making sure threads here get > turned into issues, so it's more for the authors if they're happy > working with github. I have an account, but I don't use it much. I have no objections though. 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This draft is a work item of the Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend WG of the IETF. Title : Sieve Extension: File Carbon Copy (Fcc) Authors : Kenneth Murchison Bron Gondwana Filename : draft-ietf-extra-sieve-fcc-00.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2017-09-21 Abstract: The Sieve Email Filtering Language consists of action commands that can reply to the sender of an incoming message with a generated message. This document defines an extension to such commands to allow a copy of the generated reply message to be filed into a target mailbox. Open Issues o Should :fcc be allowed with reject/ereject? o Should there be a separate capability string for each action that uses :fcc (e.g. "vacation-fcc")? 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This draft is a work item of the Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend WG of the IETF. Title : IMAP4 Extension for Returning MYRIGHTS Information in Extended LIST Authors : Kenneth Murchison Bron Gondwana Filename : draft-ietf-extra-imap-list-myrights-00.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2017-09-21 Abstract: This document defines an extension to the to IMAP LIST command that allows the client to request the set of rights that the logged-in user has been granted on mailboxes, along with other information typically returned by the LIST command. 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This document defines an extension to such commands to > allow a copy of the generated reply message to be filed into a target > mailbox. >=20 > Open Issues >=20 > o Should :fcc be allowed with reject/ereject? >=20 > o Should there be a separate capability string for each action that > uses :fcc (e.g. "vacation-fcc")? Shouldn't RFC 5229/variables be mentioned in Section 4 because it's availabl= e to special-use? Does anyone see anything beyond already existing security= considerations for :variables when it's invoked by :fcc via :specialuse? Thank you for the this. I've been looking forward to an fcc extension. 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On Sun, 17 Sep 2017, at 04:29, Stephan Bosch wrote: > Op 9/16/2017 om 5:14 PM schreef Bron Gondwana: >> Makes sense. We expose this in Cyrus IMAPd as a metadata item: >> >> /shared/vendor/cmu/cyrus-imapd/size >> >> Cleanly that's not very standard-like - but it does raise a question>> whether we want to standardise some per-mailbox metadata items rather>> than define extra capabilities. > > I agree having a METADATA subtree for all kinds of mailbox properties> like this is useful. > > Still, for storage size, I like a STATUS data item better, > particularly> because it can be queried for several mailboxes at the same > time using a> single LIST command. And it pairs quite well with the existing > MESSAGES> item (with QUOTA in mind). > > Also, I am hoping that this is simple enough that it can be part of > IMAP4rev2 once we get there, thereby removing it from the capability > list. > > Regards, > > Stephan. >> >> On Sat, 16 Sep 2017, at 06:16, Stephan Bosch wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> A while back, I created a specification for an existing, vendor- >>> specific>>> Dovecot IMAP feature that was supported implicitly (without a >>> capability>>> identifier). It is called STATUS=SIZE. >>> >>> I submitted it as a draft now in an effort to get it >>> standardized. See>>> the attached I-D announcement. >>> >>> Please let me know what you think. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Stephan. >>> ___________________________________________________ >>> Extra mailing list >>> Extra@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra >>> >>> Email had 1 attachment: >>> >>> * >>> |I-D Action: draft-bosch-imap-status-size-00_txt.eml| >>> 4k (message/rfc822) >>> >> >> -- >> Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd >> brong@fastmailteam.com >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> Extra mailing list >> Extra@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra > > > -- > Stephan Bosch > Senior Developer > > > Phone: +49 2761 75252 00 Fax: +49 2761 75252 30 > Email: stephan.bosch@dovecot.fi > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------> Open-Xchange AG, Rollnerstr. 14, 90408 Nuremberg, District Court > Nuremberg HRB 24738 > Managing Board: Rafael Laguna de la Vera, Carsten Dirks, Michael > Knapstein > Chairman of the Board: Richard Seibt > > Dovecot Oy, Lars Sonckin Kaari 10, 02600 Espoo, Finland > Managing Director: Markku Kentta > Chairman of the Board: Timo Sirainen > Board Member: Carsten Dirks > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------> > _________________________________________________ > Extra mailing list > Extra@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd brong@fastmailteam.com --_----------=_150630700022813762 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
I've created https://github.com/ietfextra/tracking/issues/2 to track the status of adding this draft.



On Sun, 17 Sep 2017, at 04:29, Stephan Bosch wrote:
Op 9/16/2017 om 5:14 PM schreef Bron Gondwana:
Makes sense.  We expose this in Cyrus IMAPd as a metadata item:

/shared/vendor/cmu/cyrus-imapd/size

Cleanly that's not very standard-like - but it does raise a question
whether we want to standardise some per-mailbox metadata items rather
than define extra capabilities.

I agree having a METADATA subtree for all kinds of mailbox properties
like this is useful.

Still, for storage size, I like a STATUS data item better, particularly
because it can be queried for several mailboxes at the same time using a
single LIST command. And it pairs quite well with the existing MESSAGES
item (with QUOTA in mind).

Also, I am hoping that this is simple enough that it can be part of
IMAP4rev2 once we get there, thereby removing it from the capability
list.

Regards,

Stephan.

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017, at 06:16, Stephan Bosch wrote:
Hi,

A while back, I created a specification for an existing, vendor-specific
Dovecot IMAP feature that was supported implicitly (without a capability
identifier). It is called STATUS=SIZE.

I submitted it as a draft now in an effort to get it standardized. See
the attached I-D announcement.

Please let me know what you think.

Regards,

Stephan.
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It is called SAVEDATE. > > I submitted it as a draft now in an effort to get it standardized. See> the attached I-D announcement. > > Please let me know what you think. > > Regards, > > Stephan. > _________________________________________________ > Extra mailing list > Extra@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra > Email had 1 attachment: > * I-D Action: draft-bosch-imap-savedate-00_txt.eml 5k > (message/rfc822) -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd brong@fastmailteam.com --_----------=_150630718122816090 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
(annoyingly, I hadn't already subscribed myself to the list when this one came through)

But I've created https://github.com/ietfextra/tracking/issues/3 to track it :)


On Sat, 16 Sep 2017, at 19:59, Robert Mueller wrote:
Oh, this is what we've talked about previously, seems dovecot already
does it.

Rob Mueller

----- Original message -----
From: Stephan Bosch <stephan.bosch@dovecot.fi>
Subject: [Extra] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-bosch-imap-savedate-00.txt
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 22:14:30 +0200

Hi,

A while back, I created a specification for an existing, vendor-specific
Dovecot IMAP feature that was supported implicitly (without a capability
identifier). It is called SAVEDATE.

I submitted it as a draft now in an effort to get it standardized. See
the attached I-D announcement.

Please let me know what you think.

Regards,

Stephan.
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I have a few >> comments>>=20 >>=20 >> I too have a couple comments. If it=E2=80=99s called the 64bit extension= , why >> are the numbers limited to 63 bits? Why not the full 64-bit range?>>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m sure there=E2=80=99s a good reason (or perhaps not). >=20 > Probably for the same reasons outlined here: >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7162#section-3.1 >=20 > Although that design decision should be made explicit in the > text of this> graph (or at least a reference to decision as outlined in 7= 162). >=20 > michael >=20 > _________________________________________________ > Extra mailing list > Extra@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd brong@fastmailteam.com --_----------=_150630748122824411 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"


On Sat, 16 Sep 2017, at 02:29, Michael Slusarz wrote:
On September 15, 2017 at 10:25 A= M "HANSEN, TONY L" <tony@att.com>= wrote:


On 9/15/17, 12:07 PM, "Extra on behalf of Stephan Bosch" <extra-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of = stephan@rename-it.nl> wrote:=

  I gave draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit a quick look. I have a few c= omments


I too have a couple comments. If it=E2=80=99s called the 64bit extensi= on, why are the numbers limited to 63 bits? Why not the full 64-bit range?<= br>

I=E2=80=99m sure there=E2=80=99s a good reason (or perhaps not).

Probably for the same reasons outlined here:


Although that design decision should be made explicit in the text of t= his
graph (or at least a reference to decision as outlined in 7162).

michael

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I have a few >> comments on the syntax specification.>> >> First of all, the elements fetch-att, msg-att-static, and search-key >> are just copy-pasted from RFC 3501. Those are meant to have number64 >> instead.> Yes, fixed. > > >> I wonder whether it would be a good idea to have intermediary >> elements called e.g. `msg-size = number64' and `msg-lines = >> number64', so that future changes/extensions to the message size and >> line count syntax aren't such a pain anymore.> Might be a good idea. If you send me the specific ABNF fragment, this > will speed up the process.> > >> The "capability" syntax element is not extended (arguably not all >> specifications do this).> This is typically done in prose. > > >> Finally, the following IMAP capabilities have syntax that is affected >> by this extension:>> >> QUOTA - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2087.txt > Good point, I will have a look. > >> BINARY - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3516.txt (not only literal8)> > Looking at the ABNF: > > > append =/ "APPEND" SP mailbox [SP flag-list] [SP date- > time] SP literal8 fetch-att =/ "BINARY" [".PEEK"] section- > binary [partial] / "BINARY.SIZE" section-binary literal8 = > "~{" number "}" CRLF *OCTET ; represents the number of > OCTETs ; in the response string. msg-att-static =/ "BINARY" section- > binary SP (nstring / literal8) / "BINARY.SIZE" section-binary SP > number partial = "<" number "." nz-number ">" resp-text- > code =/ "UNKNOWN-CTE" section-binary = "[" [section-part] "]" >> > > I don't think we need 64bit section numbers, but I missed updating > "partial".> > >> URL-PARTIAL - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5550.txt -> >> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5092.txt (partial-range)>> APPENDLIMIT - https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7889.txt > Yes, these need to be looked at as well. > > Best Regards, > Alexey > > > _________________________________________________ > Extra mailing list > Extra@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd brong@fastmailteam.com --_----------=_150630770522831342 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
And for the extensions:


(it's easy to close these off, just good to track them)

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017, at 22:01, Alexey Melnikov wrote:

Hi Stephan,


On 15/09/2017 17:06, Stephan Bosch wrote:
Hi,

I gave draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit a quick look. I have a few comments on the syntax specification.

First of all, the elements fetch-att, msg-att-static, and search-key are just copy-pasted from RFC 3501. Those are meant to have number64 instead.
Yes, fixed.


I wonder whether it would be a good idea to have intermediary elements called e.g. `msg-size = number64' and `msg-lines = number64', so that future changes/extensions to the message size and line count syntax aren't such a pain anymore.
Might be a good idea. If you send me the specific ABNF fragment, this will speed up the process.


The "capability" syntax element is not extended (arguably not all specifications do this).
This is typically done in prose.


Finally, the following IMAP capabilities have syntax that is affected by this extension:

Good point, I will have a look.

BINARY - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3516.txt (not only literal8)

Looking at the ABNF:


   append         =/  "APPEND" SP mailbox [SP flag-list]
                      [SP date-time] SP literal8

   fetch-att      =/  "BINARY" [".PEEK"] section-binary [partial]
                      / "BINARY.SIZE" section-binary

   literal8       =   "~{" number "}" CRLF *OCTET
                      ; <number> represents the number of OCTETs
                      ; in the response string.

   msg-att-static =/  "BINARY" section-binary SP (nstring / literal8)
                      / "BINARY.SIZE" section-binary SP number

   partial        =   "<" number "." nz-number ">"

   resp-text-code =/  "UNKNOWN-CTE"

   section-binary =   "[" [section-part] "]"


I don't think we need 64bit section numbers, but I missed updating "partial".


Yes, these need to be looked at as well.

Best Regards,
Alexey


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As you've probably already seen from all my other emails - I've created a github organisation 'ietfextra' and a single repository 'tracking' - I'm creating issues under that, with one label per draft that they apply to.

If the spec authors would like to join the organisation I can assign the issues directly to you.  I've already invited Ken and Alexey since I know their github handles.

Bron.

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--_----------=_150630785422840480-- From nobody Fri Sep 29 05:15:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DC91344E3 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 05:15:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BmhIkMz1ZW85 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 05:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.dovecot.fi (wursti.dovecot.fi [94.237.32.243]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91436124B18 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 05:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.108] (lab.inertia-technology.com [217.119.239.130]) by mail.dovecot.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C26A62AEF43; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:15:50 +0300 (EEST) To: Stan Kalisch , extra@ietf.org References: <150548230907.2942.7847827116466838169@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Stephan Bosch Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:14:57 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] I-D Action: draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-00.txt X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:15:02 -0000 Hi Stan, Op 22-9-2017 om 20:15 schreef Stan Kalisch: >> On Sep 15, 2017, at 9:31 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend WG of the IETF. >> >> Title : Sieve Email Filtering: Delivering to Special-Use Mailboxes >> Author : Stephan Bosch >> Filename : draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-00.txt >> Pages : 8 >> Date : 2017-09-13 > My comments on this document are relatively the same as my comments on draft-ietf-extra-sieve-fcc-00: the variables extension/RFC 5229 should be mentioned under "Security Considerations" (Section 7), especially as RFC 5228, which is mentioned in this section, makes explicit in a security context that the base language does not support variables. Ok, I added a reference. Regards, Stephan. > >> Abstract: >> The SPECIAL-USE capability of the IMAP protocol (RFC 6154) allows >> clients to identify special-use mailboxes; e.g., where draft or sent >> messages should be put. This simplifies client configuration. In >> contrast, the Sieve mail filtering language (RFC 5228) currently has >> no such capability. This memo defines a Sieve extension that fills >> this gap: it adds a test for checking whether a special-use attribute >> is assigned for a particular mailbox or any mailbox, and it adds the >> ability to file messages into an anonymous mailbox that has a >> particular special-use attribute assigned. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use/ >> >> There are also htmlized versions available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-00 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-00 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Extra mailing list >> Extra@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra > _______________________________________________ > Extra mailing list > Extra@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra -- Stephan Bosch Senior Developer Phone: +49 2761 75252 00 Fax: +49 2761 75252 30 Email: stephan.bosch@dovecot.fi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Open-Xchange AG, Rollnerstr. 14, 90408 Nuremberg, District Court Nuremberg HRB 24738 Managing Board: Rafael Laguna de la Vera, Carsten Dirks, Uwe Reumuth Chairman of the Board: Richard Seibt Dovecot Oy, Lars Sonckin Kaari 10, 02600 Espoo, Finland Managing Director: Markku Kenttä Chairman of the Board: Timo Sirainen Board Member: Carsten Dirks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Sep 29 17:32:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1824134317 for ; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <10C30BB6-F3F6-4054-B929-74D16CF1CC0C@glyphein.mailforce.net> Cc: extra@ietf.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G36) From: Stan Kalisch Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 20:31:55 -0400 To: Stephan Bosch Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] I-D Action: draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-00.txt X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 00:32:02 -0000 Thanks, Stephan. Stan > On Sep 29, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Stephan Bosch wrot= e: >=20 > Hi Stan, >=20 >=20 > Op 22-9-2017 om 20:15 schreef Stan Kalisch: >>> On Sep 15, 2017, at 9:31 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direc= tories. >>> This draft is a work item of the Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revis= e or Amend WG of the IETF. >>>=20 >>> Title : Sieve Email Filtering: Delivering to Special-Use M= ailboxes >>> Author : Stephan Bosch >>> Filename : draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-00.txt >>> Pages : 8 >>> Date : 2017-09-13 >> My comments on this document are relatively the same as my comments on dr= aft-ietf-extra-sieve-fcc-00: the variables extension/RFC 5229 should be men= tioned under "Security Considerations" (Section 7), especially as RFC 5228, w= hich is mentioned in this section, makes explicit in a security context that= the base language does not support variables. >=20 > Ok, I added a reference. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Stephan. >=20 >>=20 >>> Abstract: >>> The SPECIAL-USE capability of the IMAP protocol (RFC 6154) allows >>> clients to identify special-use mailboxes; e.g., where draft or sent >>> messages should be put. This simplifies client configuration. In >>> contrast, the Sieve mail filtering language (RFC 5228) currently has >>> no such capability. This memo defines a Sieve extension that fills >>> this gap: it adds a test for checking whether a special-use attribute >>> is assigned for a particular mailbox or any mailbox, and it adds the >>> ability to file messages into an anonymous mailbox that has a >>> particular special-use attribute assigned. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use/ >>>=20 >>> There are also htmlized versions available at: >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-00 >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use= -00 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submis= sion >>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>>=20 >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Extra mailing list >>> Extra@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra >> _______________________________________________ >> Extra mailing list >> Extra@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Stephan Bosch > Senior Developer >=20 > Phone: +49 2761 75252 00 Fax: +49 2761 75252 30 > Email: stephan.bosch@dovecot.fi >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------- > Open-Xchange AG, Rollnerstr. 14, 90408 Nuremberg, District Court Nurember= g HRB 24738 > Managing Board: Rafael Laguna de la Vera, Carsten Dirks, Uwe Reumuth > Chairman of the Board: Richard Seibt >=20 > Dovecot Oy, Lars Sonckin Kaari 10, 02600 Espoo, Finland > Managing Director: Markku Kentt=C3=A4 > Chairman of the Board: Timo Sirainen > Board Member: Carsten Dirks >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------- >=20