From nobody Tue Dec 3 05:48:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietf.org Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50990120043; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 05:48:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: extra@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: extra@ietf.org Message-ID: <157538088813.24835.993048048245838846@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 05:48:08 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Extra] I-D Action: draft-ietf-extra-imap4rev2-11.txt X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 13:48:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend WG of the IETF. Title : INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - VERSION 4rev2 Authors : Alexey Melnikov Barry Leiba Filename : draft-ietf-extra-imap4rev2-11.txt Pages : 158 Date : 2019-12-03 Abstract: The Internet Message Access Protocol, Version 4rev2 (IMAP4rev2) allows a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. IMAP4rev2 permits manipulation of mailboxes (remote message folders) in a way that is functionally equivalent to local folders. IMAP4rev2 also provides the capability for an offline client to resynchronize with the server. IMAP4rev2 includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes, checking for new messages, permanently removing messages, setting and clearing flags, RFC 5322, RFC 2045 and RFC 2231 parsing, searching, and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and portions thereof. Messages in IMAP4rev2 are accessed by the use of numbers. These numbers are either message sequence numbers or unique identifiers. IMAP4rev2 does not specify a means of posting mail; this function is handled by a mail submission protocol such as RFC 6409. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-imap4rev2/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-extra-imap4rev2-11 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-extra-imap4rev2-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-extra-imap4rev2-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Dec 10 13:53:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAD01201E0 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:53:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id njhjpyIQ8zk0 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:53:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from sirainen.com (mail.sirainen.com [94.237.26.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7797312018D for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:53:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.10.111] (unknown [91.155.205.240]) by sirainen.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5F1CA2B3C8B for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:53:06 +0000 (UTC) From: Timo Sirainen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) Message-Id: <97DD9939-085B-40FA-844D-056A418ABC01@sirainen.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 23:53:05 +0200 To: extra@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Archived-At: Subject: [Extra] imap4rev2 route X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:53:09 -0000 > addr-adl =3D nstring > ; Holds route from [RFC-5322] route-addr if > ; non-NIL RFC 5322 doesn't have "route-addr". It has "obs-route". Should we in = general make it a bit more obvious that the route is completely obsolete = and neither server nor clients need to support this field? I was = thinking of getting rid of it in Dovecot and just making it always NIL. From nobody Tue Dec 10 17:07:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietf.org Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266A212008C; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 17:07:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: extra@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.113.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: extra@ietf.org Message-ID: <157602643900.9918.4440076015639590719@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 17:07:19 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Extra] I-D Action: draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07.txt X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 01:07:19 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend WG of the IETF. Title : IMAP4 Extension: Message Preview Generation Author : Michael M. Slusarz Filename : draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2019-12-10 Abstract: This document specifies an Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) protocol extension allowing a client to request a server-generated abbreviated representation of message data useful as a contextual preview of the entire message. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Dec 10 17:21:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A833612008C for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 17:21:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=open-xchange.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r-8abmM8xo-Z for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 17:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx4.open-xchange.com (alcatraz.open-xchange.com [87.191.39.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 824F1120059 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 17:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from open-xchange.com (imap.open-xchange.com [10.20.30.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx4.open-xchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F0746A257 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 02:21:16 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=open-xchange.com; s=201705; t=1576027276; bh=UQ6+sG6LR6+TC/UjcNnmBTa75sgVFh1O3vzAOYcTH3E=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=g8zy3x91x17XUgI/htwVfSQLWFIQnjX9t39OukcMuiM8NrWRjNTFpAxlJFVJ/p3rU B8Q64TjdMmtP+JqpSzyKpOGsirr8brkVszl1JxQQczu+FZpopiwkyKtnvsTxH3EHsk 6bkCG2wih9IHXQn4tKkLixK2sDd7XcqYDCHX9ANJ6lwgb1fnBhAU8FmzhcGMvIdRmg cdxnK2rbK48AamD67EJg6jJeMNtEO2wtLrjE/VGj4KcIvxzNwefV6jS/shQVgnKPnY AkjXBYOLZQmadyGsV3idjnuYJCHmep9kVP5lDSDUC9ESUJdAjt4ilsrKRkdA4rVc1S sQ7hToWk7ruxA== Received: from appsuite-gw1.open-xchange.com (appsuite-gw1.open-xchange.com [10.20.28.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by open-xchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 01FD43C005B for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 02:21:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:21:15 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Slusarz To: extra@ietf.org Message-ID: <1291898845.15911.1576027275881@appsuite.open-xchange.com> In-Reply-To: <157602643900.9918.4440076015639590719@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <157602643900.9918.4440076015639590719@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.3-Rev3 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] I-D Action: draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07.txt X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 01:21:21 -0000 Sorry for the delay on this. Per discussion in Singapore, the PREVIEW draft has been altered to replace "named algorithms" with media types. The "FUZZY" algorithm was therefore renamed to "text/imap-fetch-preview" so that the semantics could be identified using the new media type method. As part of this, it was necessary to clarify that the default algorithm, if either no algorithm list was provided or no algorithm was associated with a LAZY modifier, MUST be text/imap-fetch-preview. Now that there is not a way for a client to determine which algorithms a server supports ("PREVIEW=" capability detection was removed), this seems to be the only rational choice - allowing every server to potentially specify a different default algorithm would lead to an inconsistent IMAP experience across installations. I think this covers everything that was discussed at the last meeting. michael > On 12/10/2019 6:07 PM internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend WG of the IETF. > > Title : IMAP4 Extension: Message Preview Generation > Author : Michael M. Slusarz > Filename : draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07.txt > Pages : 15 > Date : 2019-12-10 > > Abstract: > This document specifies an Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) > protocol extension allowing a client to request a server-generated > abbreviated representation of message data useful as a contextual > preview of the entire message. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Extra mailing list > Extra@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra From nobody Tue Dec 10 18:44:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7390120220 for ; 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boundary=90e359d61b194c2da65e95e2cad88597 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] I-D Action: draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07.txt X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 02:44:52 -0000 --90e359d61b194c2da65e95e2cad88597 Content-Type: text/plain On Wed, 11 Dec 2019, at 12:21, Michael Slusarz wrote: > The "FUZZY" algorithm was therefore renamed to "text/imap-fetch-preview" so that the semantics could be identified using the new media type method. Huh? This is not at all what I thought we agreed on. The point of the discussion in Singapore was to remove any request for an algorithm. Instead you just request which media type(s) you are happy to get previews in, and if the server is able to generate a preview in that media type you'll get it. So the majority of standard email clients would just request "text/plain". Neil. --90e359d61b194c2da65e95e2cad88597 Content-Type: text/html
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019, at 12:21, Michael Slusarz wrote:
The "FUZZY" algorithm was therefore renamed to "text/imap-fetch-preview" so that the semantics could be identified using the new media type method.

Huh? This is not at all what I thought we agreed on. The point of the discussion in Singapore was to remove any request for an algorithm. Instead you just request which media type(s) you are happy to get previews in, and if the server is able to generate a preview in that media type you'll get it. So the majority of standard email clients would just request "text/plain".

Neil.
--90e359d61b194c2da65e95e2cad88597-- From nobody Tue Dec 10 19:43:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF89112006B for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:43:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=open-xchange.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GM0KiCBmybNM for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx4.open-xchange.com (alcatraz.open-xchange.com [87.191.39.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AE5B120059 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from open-xchange.com (imap.open-xchange.com [10.20.30.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx4.open-xchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25E136A257; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 04:43:30 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=open-xchange.com; s=201705; t=1576035810; bh=dzBmJ9pbdRfTGYvM55b6WZMa1hB255Dn4nebZromCkc=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=eF5mDMOyZ0YAt/LpMGw3rcDWC+Va775bd5BpNwbrS4ZdwyKFIa7XAh6hlQ5+a2NWA 8PImPZJCadM/wRWoSHK0tir4NUzw1UbeN0FJdmt+ISnDixuoz/2MR/het71L73m/Nw UtECCCpWTvBtHo/d0jVP9Az5qsk8CZkPUC1SGzTZlYr7c+6duAvc+VKNa4jXUbTw0e BBaFhd7c4XaqewkQfUq4YjL+WVS/a+BNJy6M+GmGQIBoyaJc4Gvm6dsNmyTzLJuFuP al3GP9/uas7fDjRv4tAn9HAlGB2OtvWLtf90McjfYNLZPVlqBtc6C9QZonTsf8qbxT ntSgFXPtTE15Q== Received: from appsuite-gw1.open-xchange.com (appsuite-gw1.open-xchange.com [10.20.28.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by open-xchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0AF8B3C005B; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 04:43:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 20:43:29 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Slusarz To: Neil Jenkins , extra@ietf.org Message-ID: <1248509763.15966.1576035809897@appsuite.open-xchange.com> In-Reply-To: <7bb525b9-79f1-4cf2-91f7-ec0616e627cf@beta.fastmail.com> References: <157602643900.9918.4440076015639590719@ietfa.amsl.com> <1291898845.15911.1576027275881@appsuite.open-xchange.com> <7bb525b9-79f1-4cf2-91f7-ec0616e627cf@beta.fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.3-Rev3 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] I-D Action: draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07.txt X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 03:43:34 -0000
On 12/10/2019 7:44 PM Neil Jenkins <neilj@fastmailteam.com> wrote:


On Wed, 11 Dec 2019, at 12:21, Michael Slusarz wrote:
The "FUZZY" algorithm was therefore renamed to "text/imap-fetch-preview" so that the semantics could be identified using the new media type method.

Huh? This is not at all what I thought we agreed on. The point of the discussion in Singapore was to remove any request for an algorithm. Instead you just request which media type(s) you are happy to get previews in, and if the server is able to generate a preview in that media type you'll get it. So the majority of standard email clients would just request "text/plain".
We definitely talked about this.  We got rid of the server advertising algorithms - we did not get rid of the need for a specific text preview semantic that matched the existing FUZZY functionality.  I wouldn't have agreed to a switch to media types without this.

michael
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2019, at 14:43, Michael Slusarz wrote:
we did not get rid of the need for a specific text preview semantic that matched the existing FUZZY functionality. 

Is that semantic not just "do whatever you want to provide a reasonable preview in text/plain format"?

Neil.
--5c9d8cf18c5e49538f00dea259b1c176-- From nobody Wed Dec 11 05:15:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9118F120119 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 05:15:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=isode.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kZOWkTMkGzCJ for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 05:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from statler.isode.com (Statler.isode.com [62.232.206.189]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1D212011C for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 05:15:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1576070147; d=isode.com; s=june2016; i=@isode.com; bh=Np7hm6rw+iCKRBvzVpsFvvrKIidz147QXijok7dvSGg=; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version: In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description; b=r1fXxePAEJ1rLnMVEmwjk6fgtPazh3x+POEK1Yr+AndebcjT/7uW1fXN22S7D9ZK2rHGRU MqRfmDwAil+cUoxQ7fhQWynJAA+34xRRY3W8hmL2Z1QFLPlizDzpHRdRaGkzEjVUKsVxrI 7JkPdGn3M9hFwug0r5YmbSJ3uF7R2HI=; Received: from [172.20.1.215] (dhcp-215.isode.net [172.20.1.215]) by statler.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPSA id ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:15:47 +0000 To: Michael Slusarz , extra@ietf.org References: <157602643900.9918.4440076015639590719@ietfa.amsl.com> <1291898845.15911.1576027275881@appsuite.open-xchange.com> From: Alexey Melnikov Message-ID: <44863d9a-0d29-9977-8719-eb9f1d2f5709@isode.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:15:30 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 In-Reply-To: <1291898845.15911.1576027275881@appsuite.open-xchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] I-D Action: draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07.txt X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:15:50 -0000 Hi Michael, On 11/12/2019 01:21, Michael Slusarz wrote: > Sorry for the delay on this. > > Per discussion in Singapore, the PREVIEW draft has been altered to replace "named algorithms" with media types. The "FUZZY" algorithm was therefore renamed to "text/imap-fetch-preview" so that the semantics could be identified using the new media type method. > > As part of this, it was necessary to clarify that the default algorithm, if either no algorithm list was provided or no algorithm was associated with a LAZY modifier, MUST be text/imap-fetch-preview. Now that there is not a way for a client to determine which algorithms a server supports ("PREVIEW=" capability detection was removed), this seems to be the only rational choice - allowing every server to potentially specify a different default algorithm would lead to an inconsistent IMAP experience across installations. > > I think this covers everything that was discussed at the last meeting. This is a move in the right direction, but we are not quite there yet. I have a few questions that might affect my specific suggestions: 1) The document says to use media type syntax, but not necessarily media types. If you want the former, you probably need a new registry (I recommend against that). If you want the latter, then why not just use text/plain, as a registered media type? 2) If there is a good reason not to use "text/plain", you need to registered "text/imap-fetch-preview" with IANA. 3) For unsupported media types, it would be good to define a new IMAP response code, similar to BADCHARSET. Best Regards, Alexey > michael > > >> On 12/10/2019 6:07 PM internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend WG of the IETF. >> >> Title : IMAP4 Extension: Message Preview Generation >> Author : Michael M. Slusarz >> Filename : draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07.txt >> Pages : 15 >> Date : 2019-12-10 >> >> Abstract: >> This document specifies an Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) >> protocol extension allowing a client to request a server-generated >> abbreviated representation of message data useful as a contextual >> preview of the entire message. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview/ >> >> There are also htmlized versions available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-07 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Extra mailing list >> Extra@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra > _______________________________________________ > Extra mailing list > Extra@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra From nobody Wed Dec 11 05:39:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE30C120850 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 05:39:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=isode.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j2xPoLKAM6-F for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 05:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from statler.isode.com (Statler.isode.com [62.232.206.189]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C22C12021C for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 05:39:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1576071567; d=isode.com; s=june2016; i=@isode.com; bh=aO+YxuJr26HxRjdzWTbpsPWThPpDRz0gWSMYUmdylps=; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version: In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description; b=CT+4ld0wKUyc6QEasvfS8G5HZVuwPTwbAUXymHbVAbow8LB27zX9OOt3SMu8/UToecj1YN 6eCQpHjLjFieE9y87PhnuMJoQgEDz6cj2qXGOZcmbJKbrdEU8snBTYNlRo+nbUueeRRF7k Z3rolv0ze8aNBskfEEDbMoRtWdLjQIQ=; Received: from [172.20.1.215] (dhcp-215.isode.net [172.20.1.215]) by statler.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPSA id ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:39:27 +0000 To: Timo Sirainen , extra@ietf.org References: <97DD9939-085B-40FA-844D-056A418ABC01@sirainen.com> From: Alexey Melnikov Message-ID: <3c0f5ae6-ae0b-1455-dd59-d46560abf5ff@isode.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:39:07 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 In-Reply-To: <97DD9939-085B-40FA-844D-056A418ABC01@sirainen.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] imap4rev2 route X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:39:30 -0000 Hi Timo, On 10/12/2019 21:53, Timo Sirainen wrote: >> addr-adl = nstring >> ; Holds route from [RFC-5322] route-addr if >> ; non-NIL > RFC 5322 doesn't have "route-addr". It has "obs-route". Good catch! > Should we in general make it a bit more obvious that the route is completely obsolete and neither server nor clients need to support this field? I was thinking of getting rid of it in Dovecot and just making it always NIL. I think the answer to this is whether or not you want to preserve fidelity of very old messages. I agree there is no reason to generate source route, but I am not sure that IMAP4rev2 is the right place to deprecate its use. Best Regards, Alexey From nobody Wed Dec 11 06:43:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591B9120041 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 06:43:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gulbrandsen.priv.no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LQNOvNvoE9nN for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 06:43:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from stabil.gulbrandsen.priv.no (stabil.gulbrandsen.priv.no [144.76.73.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B53B9120033 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 06:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from stabil.gulbrandsen.priv.no (stabil.gulbrandsen.priv.no [IPv6:2a01:4f8:191:91a8::3]) by stabil.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C106C0201; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 14:47:23 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gulbrandsen.priv.no; s=mail; t=1576075643; bh=eqKgTg6rM3LdkUb6ZArqaK86xV0sXTo7wrPHOzPR2jI=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=aJ7EdIuOaN9Q17cn0XaN90d2ut7XRzoogQ3mmnVNNM5wRyfP2Sa8/PD/D4wxgsLE8 5T/nNjnZKwfJxgsT7dAzAI/EFo/ezA7YYlKrXSY11ME/inDFIo1XkyCnKBr4o6YOKd vyD/LI9nWSzq1RATekrrbBoqLjyWEOKeEmDtK/Ao= Received: from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no by stabil.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Archiveopteryx 3.2.0) with esmtpsa id 1576075642-3866-3863/9/31; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 14:47:22 +0000 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: extra@ietf.org Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:43:21 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <548400ec-2266-4edf-b289-18cb537e0d8d@gulbrandsen.priv.no> In-Reply-To: <3c0f5ae6-ae0b-1455-dd59-d46560abf5ff@isode.com> References: <97DD9939-085B-40FA-844D-056A418ABC01@sirainen.com> <3c0f5ae6-ae0b-1455-dd59-d46560abf5ff@isode.com> User-Agent: Trojita/0.7; Qt/5.7.1; xcb; Linux; Devuan GNU/Linux 2.1 (ascii) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] imap4rev2 route X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 14:43:27 -0000 On Wednesday 11 December 2019 14:39:07 CET, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > I think the answer to this is whether or not you want to > preserve fidelity of very old messages. I agree there is no > reason to generate source route, but I am not sure that > IMAP4rev2 is the right place to deprecate its use. I assume that "use" means "display" in this paragraph? Timo isn't suggesting to forbid anyone from sending source routes, he's effectively suggesting that IMAP4rev2 suppress their display. Does anyone on the list have a largish collection of clients and a convenient way to test? I suspect that a majority of recent clients already do suppress the source routes. If that is correct, then suppressing them in the protocol has advantages and no real cost. Arnt From nobody Thu Dec 19 05:39:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6437512029C for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:39:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fastmailteam.com header.b=RuDqLV69; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=dLqEG+C8 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MCjWDIQXFtbv for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FD50120133 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07682662 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap99 ([10.202.2.99]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:39:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= fastmailteam.com; h=mime-version:message-id:date:from:to:subject :content-type; s=fm1; bh=1eD2psIU7HTgmc7ZenhqLqTTAKVJUyGYsODd3Kz QCzI=; b=RuDqLV69QkcVaE7jdndduqP2hddXjj6zEu9YAwwx7pETEB991kOTPmv sWB+rkB2KNKMjBkX525rjTuPoev1qBkkOBd0tFJzzIVpox18SGJJYZ8I5o9AXEJx MQbFYRjF67praTmvAW3YmHoXXVTeR/Xo2ZPln6zXeVxs+fI8XOJvh5GNPOdrPkzm /b0uyQC63SUHENeRH68O7r6Vvh/TBAvmHVtp2jv5m7urH2JGVedxxc1QH+Y3zTpy mFA2Kqb6TG+QONWYjXnFD9fc6qLA3wf2kHKJywUWxaoISnHo6ryEeMBpnD6FFnBz sSnwT+MhPxJRquu25OnwoYwLl3Htqag== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=1eD2psIU7HTgmc7ZenhqLqTTAKVJU yGYsODd3KzQCzI=; b=dLqEG+C8LZsA1VlWMAo5Ny0FoZLn9j8I1aQxPrcl1rnb1 DP6VQZHENO/IB2iYs7edhsrgmOqpI+rO89BgaIE9iFbZZEw9hQVNh4BAucr/R3e3 hH1cmisLYocTepfOwuOXtam7HbslyjWuJtq/Wb+LhAjPo+lu4Iox/n3PID3fHDwZ BuODssXHuulgfmSEAdesVJvRel4WkwehMTh/KcaUgQ1AuHjaSswtzPq0E6x2bfPV IBs/ppTVYt0byj17Tv/pbO7U9AEg1nZhLkZSGJSbpzBGJh6EvuW1aekD45jMiIIz ht+m9iXsQS9yULzJKYEurhDy9vz605ThfC7rGLJLw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdduuddgheegucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefofgggkfffhffvufgtsegrtderre erredtnecuhfhrohhmpedfuehrohhnucfiohhnugifrghnrgdfuceosghrohhnghesfhgr shhtmhgrihhlthgvrghmrdgtohhmqeenucffohhmrghinhepihgvthhfrdhorhhgnecurf grrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegsrhhonhhgsehfrghsthhmrghilhhtvggrmhdrtgho mhenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6DF4E30F431; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:39:49 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.7-694-gd5bab98-fmstable-20191218v1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <06d02f09-2565-40be-b131-114a095b2777@dogfood.fastmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:40:05 +1100 From: "Bron Gondwana" To: extra@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=1dc8a1af96724eb9b0f3187a6ad41c49 Archived-At: Subject: [Extra] Working Group Last Call draft-ietf-extra-imap4rev2-11 X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 13:39:52 -0000 --1dc8a1af96724eb9b0f3187a6ad41c49 Content-Type: text/plain This is the big one! This email starts the working group last call for: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-imap4rev2/ Due to the holiday season as well as the size of this document, I'm giving an extended last call period of 4 weeks, making this last call expire on January 17, 2020. Hopefully you've all been following along the multiple discussions and decisions we've made in the working group over the past few years, but we'd definitely all appreciate a thorough read of the document because it's a big spec with lots to cover! Have a great next couple of weeks, whatever you celebrate during this time, and I'll see you in the new year. Cheers, Bron. -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, Fastmail Pty Ltd brong@fastmailteam.com --1dc8a1af96724eb9b0f3187a6ad41c49 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is the big one!  This email starts the working g= roup last call for:

=
Due to the holiday season as= well as the size of this document, I'm giving an extended last call per= iod of 4 weeks, making this last call expire on January 17, 2020.

Hopefully you've all been following along the multiple discussi= ons and decisions we've made in the working group over the past few year= s, but we'd definitely all appreciate a thorough read of the document be= cause it's a big spec with lots to cover!

Have a great ne= xt couple of weeks, whatever you celebrate during this time, and I'll se= e you in the new year.

Ch= eers,

Bron.

--
  Bron Gondwana, C= EO, Fastmail Pty Ltd
  brong@fast= mailteam.com


--1dc8a1af96724eb9b0f3187a6ad41c49-- From nobody Thu Dec 19 05:45:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9560120801 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:45:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=isode.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SSHmJLsikEET for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:45:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from statler.isode.com (Statler.isode.com [62.232.206.189]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47CF12081F for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:45:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1576763143; d=isode.com; s=june2016; i=@isode.com; bh=xBkSAjkcKWF4ZYJqtTh4Eok6IIBv/nFi8clq7BUO5VM=; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version: In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description; b=Q7KNyxklqaQEhRc1cpltG6DAdN5hTdrKsXnnns29zDRkehI9W0weuK+ThJQ4xoB/UJX/A8 1iL00KQ9rA4xAiQ9MdMLy3JtxEnnN5Jkvt8m7dEkZTRQzVC098stUlMph0DUwjcuz0/O2i MCtjg1+mpWiCU23XCYu3x76MoPdPCwQ=; Received: from [172.20.1.215] (dhcp-215.isode.net [172.20.1.215]) by statler.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPSA id ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 13:45:43 +0000 To: Bron Gondwana , extra@ietf.org References: <06d02f09-2565-40be-b131-114a095b2777@dogfood.fastmail.com> From: Alexey Melnikov Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 13:44:47 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 In-Reply-To: <06d02f09-2565-40be-b131-114a095b2777@dogfood.fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D13E0BA5849A8879B86B98C3" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] Working Group Last Call draft-ietf-extra-imap4rev2-11 X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 13:45:48 -0000 --------------D13E0BA5849A8879B86B98C3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, On 19/12/2019 13:40, Bron Gondwana wrote: > This is the big one!=C2=A0 This email starts the working group last call f= or: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-imap4rev2/ > > Due to the holiday season as well as the size of this document, I'm=20 > giving an extended last call period of 4 weeks, making this last call=20 > expire on January 17, 2020. In the interest of full disclosure: the change to disallow multiple=20 extended LIST patterns as requested by Chris Newman is still pending,=20 but it shouldn't have big impact on the document. > Hopefully you've all been following along the multiple discussions and=20 > decisions we've made in the working group over the past few years, but=20 > we'd definitely all appreciate a thorough read of the document because=20 > it's a big spec with lots to cover! > > Have a great next couple of weeks, whatever you celebrate during this=20 > time, and I'll see you in the new year. I second that! Best Regards, Alexey --------------D13E0BA5849A8879B86B98C3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

On 19/12/2019 13:40, Bron Gondwana wrote:

This is the big one!=C2=A0 This emai= l starts the working group last call for:


Due to the holiday season as well as the size of this document, I'm giving an extended last call period of 4 weeks, making this last call expire on January 17, 2020.

In the interest of full disclosure: the change to disallow multiple extended LIST patterns as requested by Chris Newman is still pending, but it shouldn't have big impact on the document.

Hopefully you've all been following along the multiple discussions and decisions we've made in the working group over the past few years, but we'd definitely all appreciate a thorough read of the document because it's a big spec with lots to cover!

Have a great next couple of weeks, whatever you celebrate during this time, and I'll see you in the new year.

I second that!

Best Regards,

Alexey


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