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At 05:10 PM 12/18/00 +0900, Hiroshi Tamura wrote:
>Folks,
>
>
>So, if there are corrections, additions or modifications that
>you would like to have, please let me know *SOON*.
>If possible, I would have them by *December 26*.

>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>5 PNDN (Partial Non-Delivery Notifications)
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Eric Burger presented.
>- draft-ema-vpim-pndn-02.txt
>
>It is the draft from EMA/VPIM. Current DSN only reports "all success"
>or "all failure". PNDN is useful if one needs per-part reporting.
>For example, if some critical parts delivered and others not, sender may
>want to consider successful parts delivered, report on unsuccessful parts.
>VPIM WG dropped PNDN, because critical content draft is satisfactory.
>PNDN format is based on DSN format and there are some extensions.
>
>At the meeting, there were no supports to include it in Ifax. Fax WG
>decided not to continue with the specification. The I-D will be dropped.

Strictly, I think it is not in our gift to "drop" this I-D.  I suggest 
deleting the last sentence.

#g


------------
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At 05:10 PM 12/18/00 +0900, Hiroshi Tamura wrote:
>To editors of I-Ds:
>Please confirm the milestone section. If there are not appropriate ones,
>please let Claudio and me know and modify it.


>Jan 2001        Final draft for timely delivery
>Mar 2001        WG Last Call
>
>Jan 2001        Final draft for content negotiaton for fax
>Mar 2001        WG Last Call


It was my expectation that WG last calls would happen sooner after the 
final drafts were presented.  E.g. mid-Feb 2001.

I think these ideas have been floating around for so long now that we 
should try to wrap them up more quickly.  Of course, if any major 
difficulties should be noted then we need to take the time needed to sort 
them out;  it is my view that an earlier WG last call would help to flush 
out any such difficulties.

>The followings were not addressed at the meeting,
>but they must to be confirmed sooner or later.
>
>Jan 2001        Final draft of FFPIM
>Mar 2001        WG Last Call

I think the finalization of FFPIM will depend somewhat on consensus for 
negotiation and timely delivery.  But it should not be a big document.  As 
such it may be more realistic to have the final draft and start of WG last 
call at about the end of WG last call for the negotiation/timely documents.

#g

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Dear Colleagues,

There were two minor disagreements for ifax implementers guide
at San Diego meeting.

1 "Subject" field in 4.4.1.3 and etc.

Editors will modify as follows, according to Jutta's suggestion.

MDN:
	Subject: Your message arrived successfully.
	Subject: Your message has been rejected.
DSN:
	Subject: Your message was delivered successfully.
	Subject: Your message could not be delivered.
	Subject: Your message is delayed.

2 Magic number in 5.2 c)

Mike mainly wrote this section. He admitted the second sentence
is not appropriate for the guide. Editors think the simple solution is
to have only the first sentence. We modify as follows.

"Bytes 2-3 of the Image File Header are the "magic number" and are must
be equal to 42 (2Ah)."

...

There are other editorial errors, as I said in San Diego.
I update all of them sooner or later. I think the final version can be
circulated by the end of this month at the latest.

Regards,
--
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Can anyone send to me or point me to where I can find some sample Profile-J
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conformance to T.85?  I was particularly interested in files that have the
JBIG parameters YD and L0 set to 0xffffffff (to indicate unknown image
length), and / or MX (maximum horizontal offset allowed for AT pixel) set to
something high like near or at the upper limit of 127.

Please forward to anyone who you think can help in my search for T.85
interoperability test cases.

Thank you Maeda-san and Robert Buckley for the Xerox generated j01x-02x.tif,
j01x-03x.tif, and j02x-03x.tif, but these do not specifically test against
the mentioned areas of T.85.


Thanks in advance,

John Pulera
Minolta Systems Laboratory
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Folks,

As you may already know, the followings are lots of
cut-off dates for next Minneapolis meeting.

(http://www.ietf.org/meetings/cutoff_dates_50.html)

January 8 - Working Groups and BOFs scheduling begins 
January 22 - Registration begins 
February 26 - Working Groups and BOFs scheduling closes at 1700 ET 
February 23 - Internet Draft Cut-off for initial document (-00) submission at 17:00 ET 
March 2 - Internet Draft final submission cutoff date at 1700 ET 
March 5 - Pre-Registration and Pre-payment cutoff date at 1200 Noon ET 
March 9 - Registration Cancellation cutoff date by 1700 ET 
March 14 - Working Group Agendas due date by 1700 ET 
March 18-23, 2001 - 50th IETF Meeting 

* All times are in US Eastern Time 

Please keep them in mind.

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	Filename	: draft-ietf-fax-implementers-guide-05.txt
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Hi,

I picked this up from the IETF repository and noticed
some formatting problems.

This document contains 7 horizontal tab characters and
has 166 lines that are longer than 72 columns.  The
editors might want to fix this up a bit.  The longest
line is 84 columns and displays quite poorly in many
text viewers.

Cheers,
- Ira McDonald, consulting architect at Sharp and Xerox
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Hi,

> I picked this up from the IETF repository and noticed
> some formatting problems.
> 
> This document contains 7 horizontal tab characters and
> has 166 lines that are longer than 72 columns.  The
> editors might want to fix this up a bit.  The longest
> line is 84 columns and displays quite poorly in many
> text viewers.

I edited -05.
I wrote some parts from version -00 to -04.
But, this is the first time I edited as the whole.
I already noticed when I was editting -05.

At first I was thinking of modifying as you intension.
But I did not. Because, if so, you might not find *easily*
the difference from -04 and -05, I think.

Please be patient.

I comment something about -05 in another thread,
today or tomorrow.

Regards,
--
Hiroshi Tamura, Ricoh Company, LTD.
E-mail: tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp



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Dear Colleagues,

Short comments from one of editors.

As I said before, the main differences from the -04 versions are
"subject" field in MDN/DSN and Tiff magic number in 5.2 c).

Editors changed a little about "subject" field from my previous mail
to

  MDN:
	  Subject: Your message was processed successfully. (MDN)
	  Subject: Your message has been rejected. (MDN)
  DSN:
	  Subject: Your message was delivered successfully. (DSN)
	  Subject: Your message could not be delivered. (DSN)
	  Subject: Your message is delayed. (DSN)

It is a minor change.

As you can see Revision history, there are some items in -05.
But, except for the above two items, they are very minor.
Most of them are typo and for clarification. If you take "diff",
you can see them.

Editors believe the work is finished. As the meeting minutes
in San Diego says, after the confirmation, we can issue
the "WG" last call.

If no comments, I ask a chair(Claudio, in this case) to do.

Regards,
--
Hiroshi Tamura, Ricoh Company, LTD.
E-mail: tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp



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Sorry, please ignore.
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Folks,

> Can anyone send to me or point me to where I can find some sample Profile-J
> TIFF-FX files (or just the JBIG streams) that specifically test for
> conformance to T.85?  I was particularly interested in files that have the
> JBIG parameters YD and L0 set to 0xffffffff (to indicate unknown image
> length), and / or MX (maximum horizontal offset allowed for AT pixel) set to
> something high like near or at the upper limit of 127.

I tried to send the files to ietf-fax@imc.org and the related people
several times. It successfully arrived at the related people, but
it did not reach to ietf-fax@imc.org.
(That's why I sent "test mail".).

Anyway,
I have some data that Mr. Toyoda and Mr. Iida provided with.

If someone needs, please contact me or directly contact Mr. Toyoda
(ktoyoda@rdmg.mgcs.mei.co.jp) or Mr. Iida(Iida@rdmg.mgcs.mei.co.jp).

Regards,
--
Hiroshi Tamura, Co-chair of IETF-FAX WG.
E-mail: tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp



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Folks,

At the last IETF meeting, I agreed to get drafts for negotiation and timely 
delivery ready as candidates for WG last call by the end of this month.

I have made substantial progress on the timely delivery draft, and plan to 
release an update when I have had a chance to discuss some details with my 
co-author.  I hope to publish something before the end of this week.

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Folks,

At the last IETF meeting, I agreed to get drafts for negotiation and timely 
delivery ready as candidates for WG last call by the end of this month.

I have just submitted an updated negotiation draft.  Here are the main changes:

   04a  17-Oct-2000  Fix error in description of recipient processing
                     when data is no longer available.

   04b  23-Jan-2001  Define Original-Message-ID header.  Add negotiate-
                     down example.  Flesh out text of IANA
                     considerations, internationalization
                     considerations and security considerations
                     sections.  Write up outstanding implementation
                     issues (NOTE: transient receiver capabilities seem
                     to be addressed rather neatly by A.5).

   04c  29-Jan-2001  Add note to discuss range of alternatives to be
                     disclosed using the Content-alternatives header.

The draft is all there now, but there are some specific points I would like 
to discuss.  One in particular that the authors jointly feel would benefit 
from group discussion has arisen from the late addition of a negotiate-down 
example:  if the sender has an alternative that assumed _lower_ 
capabilities than the version actually sent, should those lower 
capabilities be described explicitly by a Content-alternatives 
header?  When the draft is available, I'll post more details of this 
issue.  Other points regarding which WG revciew is explicitly requested are:

   REVIEW CHECKLIST:

   (Points to be checked more widely on or before final review)

   o  Cache-control for recipient features? (e.g. colour offered for
      selected senders only). (3.2.3)

   o  Check the correct final disposition for lost message data (3.4)

   o  Define Content-alternative in a separate document? (Possibly,
      because it might be used separately from the content negotiation
      framework;  e.g. in a fashion similar to the HTTP vary: header.)
      (4)

   o  Describe interaction between Content-alternative and
      message/partial.  Is the discussion in RFC 2298 section 2.5
      sufficient? (4)

   o  Special considerations for defining composite document
      characteristics (e.g. MRC) in Content-alternative headers? (4)

   o  Add E164 address type for reporting fax offramp disposal?  (6.2)

   o  Discuss the options that should be exposed using Content-
      alternative;  e.g. is it necessary to declare 'baseline'
      capabilities.

#g

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Internet Fax Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Content Negotiation for Internet Messaging Services
	Author(s)	: G. Klyne, R. Iwazaki, D. Crocker
	Filename	: draft-ietf-fax-content-negotiation-04.txt
	Pages		: 44
	Date		: 30-Jan-01
	
This memo describes a content negotiation mechanism for facsimile,
voice and other messaging services that use Internet e-mail.
Services such as facsimile and voice messaging need to cope with
new message content formats, yet need to ensure that the content of
any given message is renderable by the receiving agent.  The
mechanism described here aims to meet these needs in a fashion that
is fully compatible with the current behaviour and expectations of
Internet e-mail.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fax-content-negotiation-04.txt

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username
"anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in,
type "cd internet-drafts" and then
	"get draft-ietf-fax-content-negotiation-04.txt".

A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in
http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html 
or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt


Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail.

Send a message to:
	mailserv@ietf.org.
In the body type:
	"FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fax-content-negotiation-04.txt".
	
NOTE:	The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in
	MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility.  To use this
	feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE"
	command.  To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or
	a MIME-compliant mail reader.  Different MIME-compliant mail readers
	exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with
	"multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split
	up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on
	how to manipulate these messages.
		
		
Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader
implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the
Internet-Draft.

--NextPart
Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess"

--OtherAccess
Content-Type: Message/External-body;
	access-type="mail-server";
	server="mailserv@ietf.org"

Content-Type: text/plain
Content-ID:	<20010130111640.I-D@ietf.org>

ENCODING mime
FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fax-content-negotiation-04.txt

--OtherAccess
Content-Type: Message/External-body;
	name="draft-ietf-fax-content-negotiation-04.txt";
	site="ftp.ietf.org";
	access-type="anon-ftp";
	directory="internet-drafts"

Content-Type: text/plain
Content-ID:	<20010130111640.I-D@ietf.org>

--OtherAccess--

--NextPart--




