From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 11 03:33:58 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA26471 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1B80IX20869 for ietf-fax-bks; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ties.itu.ch (root@ties.itu.ch [156.106.192.33]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B809320839 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:00:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([156.106.209.4]) by ties.itu.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15972 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:00:08 +0100 (MET) To: ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-fax-tiff-fx-reg-01.txt [Result] From: Hiroshi Tamura In-Reply-To: <20020125175648R.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> References: <20020125175648R.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.1 (AOI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020211165942X.tamurah@ties.itu.int> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:59:42 +0900 (JST) X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 22 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, This is the notice of the result of WG Last Call for the following I-D. > This is the WG Last call notice for draft-ietf-fax-tiff-fx-reg-01.txt. > > We agreed to the WG Last Call at SLC meeting, > if there are no further comment. > > The WG Last Call period is 2 weeks. It closes on February 8. > If you have "last comments", please send them to our ML by that time. There were no comments during the period. Therefore, We can request IESG consideration. Claudio and I do it, sooner or later. Thank you for your support. -- Hiroshi Tamura, Co-chair of IETF-FAX WG E-mail: tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 11 03:34:23 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA26483 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:34:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1B80Cq20853 for ietf-fax-bks; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ties.itu.ch (root@ties.itu.ch [156.106.192.33]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B809320840 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([156.106.209.4]) by ties.itu.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24622 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:00:08 +0100 (MET) To: ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-fax-esmtp-conneg-01.txt [Result] From: Hiroshi Tamura In-Reply-To: <20020125175654R.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> References: <20020125175654R.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.1 (AOI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020211165950X.tamurah@ties.itu.int> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:59:50 +0900 (JST) X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 22 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, This is the notice of the result of WG Last Call for the following I-D. > This is the WG Last call notice for draft-ietf-fax-esmtp-conneg-01.txt > > We agreed to the WG Last Call at SLC meeting, > if there are no further comment. > > The WG Last Call period is 2 weeks. It closes on February 8. > If you have "last comments", please send them to our ML by that time. There were no comments during the period. Therefore, We can request IESG consideration. Claudio and I do it, sooner or later. Thank you for your support. -- Hiroshi Tamura, Co-chair of IETF-FAX WG E-mail: tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Thu Feb 14 08:33:30 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA17589 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1ED3a828483 for ietf-fax-bks; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 05:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ties.itu.ch (root@ties.itu.ch [156.106.192.33]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ED3V328478 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 05:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (p3E9EE84E.dip.t-dialin.net [62.158.232.78]) by ties.itu.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29610 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:03:27 +0100 (MET) To: ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: WG Last call for draft-ietf-fax-tiff-fx-regbis-04.txt From: Hiroshi Tamura X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.1 (AOI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020214220150A.tamurah@ties.itu.int> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:01:50 +0900 (JST) X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 32 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, This is the WG Last call notice for draft-ietf-fax-tiff-fx-regbis-04.txt. According to the SLC meeting results, >Mid January 2002: > >- issue the WG last call for image/tiff registration as BCP I should have done earlier. Sorry for my slow action. Anyway, The WG Last Call period is 2 weeks. It closes on February 28. If you have "last comments", please send them to our ML by that time. --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Abstract This document describes the registration of the MIME sub-type image/tiff. The baseline encoding is defined by [TIFF]. This document refines an earlier sub-type registration in RFC 1528 [TPC.INT]. This document obsoletes RFC2302. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Hiroshi Tamura, Co-chair of IETF-FAX WG E-mail: tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Sun Feb 17 19:02:17 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA13242 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1HNSkC20587 for ietf-fax-bks; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:28:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp (mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp [202.211.49.20]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HNSh320581 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from azteca.isd.ricoh.co.jp (IDENT:mirapoint@azteca [133.139.250.74]) by mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) id IAA16626; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:12:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp (lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp [133.139.60.72]) by azteca.isd.ricoh.co.jp (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ACF79061; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:12:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (maple.toda.ricoh.co.jp [133.139.60.73]) by lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7Wlily sendmail.cf v8) with ESMTP id IAA03257; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:10:19 +0900 (JST) To: ned.freed@mrochek.com, paf@cisco.com, ietf-secretariat@ietf.org Cc: claudio.allocchio@garr.it, ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: [IETF-FAX] Request for IESG Consideration for two I-Ds X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.1 (AOI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020218081426Y.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:14:26 +0900 (JST) From: Hiroshi Tamura X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 65 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Ned, Dear Patrik, Dear IETF secretary, I am Hiroshi Tamura, a co-chair of IETF FAX WG. Thanks for your usual support for our WG. The Internet Fax Working Group requests IESG approval for publication of the following two I-Ds, with the specified status. ..................................................................... 1 Tag Image File Format Fax eXtended (TIFF-FX) - image/tiff-fx MIME Sub-type Registration Status: Proposed Standard Summary: This document describes the registration of the MIME sub-type image/tiff-fx. The encodings are defined by File Format for Internet Fax [TIFF-FX] and its extensions. Working Group Last Call Result: The I-D was submitted for IETF-FAX WG Last Call on January 25. During WG LC period, there were no comments. It sucessfully finished on February 8. ..................................................................... 2 SMTP Service Extension for Content Negotiation of Internet Fax Status: Proposed Standard Summary: This document defines a content negotiation SMTP service extension [ESMTP1, ESMTP2] whereby an SMTP client may request information about content capabilities of the target device or system that is serviced by an SMTP server. The SMTP server may report the target's content capabilities back to the client. This process emulates a classic facsimile start-of- session capabilities negotiation. This service extension is primarily intended for "direct" SMTP transfers, although relayed scenarios are permitted. Working Group Last Call Result: The I-D was submitted for IETF-FAX WG Last Call on January 25. During WG LC period, there were no comments. It sucessfully finished on February 8. ..................................................................... Best Regards, -- Hiroshi Tamura IETF FAX WG co-chair From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Fri Feb 22 05:07:38 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA25860 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 05:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1M9aeG11122 for ietf-fax-bks; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from elettra.trieste.it (SYNX02.elettra.trieste.it [140.105.2.2]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1M9ab311113 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:36:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:36:09 +0100 To: internet-drafts@ietf.org cc: ietf-fax@imc.org, discuss@apps.ietf.org, enum@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="5692-1103527590-1014374169=:559949238" From: Claudio Allocchio Subject: DRAFT-ALLOCCHIO-GSTN-02.TXT Updated version Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --5692-1103527590-1014374169=:559949238 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hallo, here is the updated version of DRAFT-ALLOCCHIO-GSTN-02.TXT, which includes, as the only difference from the previous one, an "implementer's note" regarding 'pause' and 'tonewait' which was suggested as helpful. As mentioned in the first release of the draft, "the intention for this document is to provide a unique syntax for Dial Sequences, including expecially phone numbers as a subset. The definitions contained in the draft actually come from existing Draft Standard and Proposed Standard specifications, but were collected here to provide a quick, easy and unique reference document for anybody needing this particualr encoding. The original idea comes from the Application Area Directors, and I made the collection and edited the I-D." I kindly invite you to provide me your comments and suggestions! Thank you all, and regards! 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UlRJQ1VMQVIgUFVSUE9TRS4NCg== --5692-1103527590-1014374169=:559949238-- From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Fri Feb 22 05:46:32 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA26431 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 05:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1MAJgK17099 for ietf-fax-bks; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from elettra.trieste.it (SYNX02.elettra.trieste.it [140.105.2.2]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1MAJe317091 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:19:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:19:30 +0100 To: Lawrence Conroy cc: ietf-fax@imc.org, discuss@apps.ietf.org, enum@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Claudio Allocchio Subject: Re: [Enum] DRAFT-ALLOCCHIO-GSTN-02.TXT Updated version Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hallo, > I am pretty bemused at this - I seem to have missed the earlier ones. > The Application ADs suggested it? yes sir! > What exactly does this add to RFC2806? > It doesn't seem to update 2806, so I don't understand how I use this, > or where. I think you missed the main point here. RFC2806, RFC3191, RFC3192, and a large number of rfc-to-be from the VPIM WG in the RFC Editor queue now all use the syntax and specification contained into DRAFT-ALLOCCHIO-GSTN-02.TXT and thus are all compatible with it. Thus this document does not add or updated any of them at all (all authors of the above documents are those who contributed to this I-D). However the specifications are embedded into RFCs whose title and purpouse is not to sepcify how you write in text a dial string sequence, and this creates continuously the "re-invent the wheel" problem, and the ADs and IESG has to send back specifications asking the authors to use the existing standard specification. If there is a single "collection" document with a sensible title, and which is free from other definitions which might confuse the reader, the "keeping the coherence" job is easier. > In particular, the phone-context stuff in 2806 is there for a good reason > - the phone string could well be sent to Finland (inside an email, for > instance). This is not going to work if one uses local phone string > format (with 001 to call the U.S.). Local Phone string can work only "locally", and global-phone ones do their job globally. If you think the text is not clear enough, we can try to clarify it. > Hey, I'm sure you don't have anything else to do before 2300 MET, right? :). ... I'm just waiting the kernel to rebuild after I included IPv6 on my workstation... thus I have some time... :-) Regards Claudio From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Fri Feb 22 22:53:16 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA06841 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1N3PYY22384 for ietf-fax-bks; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:25:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp (mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp [202.211.49.20]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1N3PV322380 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:25:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from delsol.isd.ricoh.co.jp (IDENT:mirapoint@delsol [133.139.250.75]) by mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) id MAA28057 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:24:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp (lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp [133.139.60.72]) by delsol.isd.ricoh.co.jp (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ACN86397; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:24:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (maple.toda.ricoh.co.jp [133.139.60.73]) by lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7Wlily sendmail.cf v8) with ESMTP id MAA03632 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:21:43 +0900 (JST) To: ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: T.37 distribution re-started X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.1 (AOI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020223122607B.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:26:07 +0900 (JST) From: Hiroshi Tamura X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 37 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, I attended ITU-T SG16 meeting at the middle of February. Our WG submitted a communication to ITU-T. Although ITU-T do not send a communication to us at this meeting, we have good news. T.37 distribution was re-started. The following is the report of T.37 issue. TD06 Communication from IETF FAX Working Group - The group reviewed the contribution and made special note of the content. Comments from the group indicated that Adobe had indeed sent a communication to the ITU-T TSB Director in September 1997 which indicated the support for Referencing TIFF specifications in ITU Standards. This document was provided to the SG8 meeting of 7-16 October 1997 as TD2097. After discussion, the group agreed that the concerns were not of technical nature and it was agreed that this item of work should be reviewed by the SG16 management. Subsequent comments from members strongly requested the TSB resume publication and sale of T.37. This matter was further discussed in a meeting with the TSB Director of ITU-T and with relevent SG16 members. It was agreed that the currently approved T.37 and its Amendments would immediately be made available for sale and distribution by the ITU-T. In fact, I showed the above TD2097 at the meeting. Fortunately, Mr. Rafferty was there. He and I discussed with TSB Director, Q14 rapporteur and WP chairman. Thanks, Mr. Rafferty. You can download T.37 from the URL below. http://www.itu.int/rec/recommendation.asp?type=folders&lang=e&parent=T-REC-T.37 But, it is on sale :-< Regards, -- Hiroshi Tamura, Co-chair of IETF-FAX WG E-mail: tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Sat Feb 23 17:04:31 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA24568 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1NLXOB20683 for ietf-fax-bks; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:33:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1NLXM320678 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-2iverke.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.110.142] helo=dick.ix.netcom.com) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ejnN-0006zn-00 for ietf-fax@imc.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:33:30 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222132815.0420bcd8@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: rshockey@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:35:01 -0500 To: ietf-fax@imc.org From: Richard Shockey Subject: Use of ENUM RFC2916 by Internet Fax In-Reply-To: <20020201073426K.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> References: <3C597D91.63D2A0A6@crf.canon.fr> <20020131103913X.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> <3C597D91.63D2A0A6@crf.canon.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 07:34 AM 2/1/2002 + You may be aware that the ENUM WG is shortly going to be revising its core protocol RFC2916 and one of the core issues is how the NAPTR service fields shall be defined by applications. Part of this process will be a specific IANA registration for the service field. I'm wondering if there is any interest in the Internet Fax WG defining how its applications could use ENUM etc. The ENUM WG will be meeting in MN ..if there is any interest I could stop by the FAX WG to answer questions etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives NeuStar Inc. 45980 Center Oak Plaza Bldg 8 Sterling, VA 20166 1120 Vermont Ave NW Suite 400 Washington DC 20005 Voice +1 571.434.5651 Cell : +1 314.503.0640, Fax: +1 815.333.1237 or <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 25 19:06:22 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA04670 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1PNYod13235 for ietf-fax-bks; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp (mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp [202.211.49.20]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1PNYm313231 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from delsol.isd.ricoh.co.jp (IDENT:mirapoint@delsol [133.139.250.75]) by mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) id IAA28976; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:34:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp (lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp [133.139.60.72]) by delsol.isd.ricoh.co.jp (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ACO19005; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:34:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (maple.toda.ricoh.co.jp [133.139.60.73]) by lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7Wlily sendmail.cf v8) with ESMTP id IAA03739; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:32:12 +0900 (JST) To: rshockey@ix.netcom.com Cc: ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: Re: Use of ENUM RFC2916 by Internet Fax In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222132815.0420bcd8@popd.ix.netcom.com> References: <3C597D91.63D2A0A6@crf.canon.fr> <20020201073426K.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> <5.1.0.14.2.20020222132815.0420bcd8@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.1 (AOI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020226083643C.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:36:43 +0900 (JST) From: Hiroshi Tamura X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 22 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard, Thanks for letting us know. > I'm wondering if there is any interest in the Internet Fax WG defining how > its applications could use ENUM etc. > > The ENUM WG will be meeting in MN ..if there is any interest I could stop > by the FAX WG to answer questions etc. We have the Addressing I-D by Claudio now. So, I think it is meaningful. Claudio, is it OK for you? Richard, 10 minutes presentation including Q&A is enough for you? -- Hiroshi Tamura, Co-chair of IETF-FAX WG E-mail: tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 26 04:33:53 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA21610 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 04:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1Q948A13205 for ietf-fax-bks; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 01:04:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from elettra.trieste.it (SYNX02.elettra.trieste.it [140.105.2.2]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1Q946313192 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 01:04:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:03:22 +0100 To: Hiroshi Tamura cc: rshockey@ix.netcom.com, ietf-fax@imc.org In-Reply-To: <20020226083643C.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Claudio Allocchio Subject: Re: Use of ENUM RFC2916 by Internet Fax Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > We have the Addressing I-D by Claudio now. So, I think it is meaningful. > > Claudio, > is it OK for you? Yes! The "phone number syntax" (actually it is not addressing) I-D just gives the way to write down E.164 numbers in a text string, but ENUM capabilities an be used by I-fax... just a few ones: is there an I-fax gateway associated to that E.164 number? ... Claudio From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 26 10:22:19 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA03051 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1QEqt008663 for ietf-fax-bks; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1QEqr308659 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:52:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-2ivemnt.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.90.253] helo=dick.ix.netcom.com) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16fiy4-0003kL-00; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:52:38 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226091829.0239e2e0@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: rshockey@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:28:04 -0500 To: Claudio Allocchio , Hiroshi Tamura From: Richard Shockey Subject: Re: Use of ENUM RFC2916 by Internet Fax Cc: ietf-fax@imc.org In-Reply-To: References: <20020226083643C.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 10:03 AM 2/26/2002 +0100, Claudio Allocchio wrote: > > We have the Addressing I-D by Claudio now. So, I think it is meaningful. > > > > Claudio, > > is it OK for you? > >Yes! > >The "phone number syntax" (actually it is not addressing) I-D just gives >the way to write down E.164 numbers in a text string, but ENUM >capabilities an be used by I-fax... just a few ones: is there an I-fax >gateway associated to that E.164 number? ... True but then you get into the famous ENUM vs TRIP issues :-) ...but of particular interest to some of us in the ENUM WG is the issue of how granular must the NAPTR service field be for any particular application. Internet Fax represents a interesting case since it is based on SMTP the question what hinds of hints might be required to identify the capabilities of the endpoint come to the forefront. It back to the old issues of how do you discover the capabilities of a IFax client that haunted the Simple mode. Well that was the basis for most of the RESCAP work but at least in ENUM you can query in advance of sending the document and discover not only the URL for the endpoint but perhaps pointers to its capabilities. Is there requirements for things like [ IFAX-S+E2U ] for the simple mode ? [ IFAX-FX+E2U] for advanced? I don't know. This is why a discussion ENUM applicability to fax could be very interesting. I'll plan on a simple review of where the ENUM WG is going.. >Claudio >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives NeuStar Inc. 45980 Center Oak Plaza Bldg 8 Sterling, VA 20166 1120 Vermont Ave NW Suite 400 Washington DC 20005 Voice +1 571.434.5651 Cell : +1 314.503.0640, Fax: +1 815.333.1237 or <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 26 12:02:05 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA10341 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1QGYlc14197 for ietf-fax-bks; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:34:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from zcars0m9.ca.nortel.com (zcars0m9.nortelnetworks.com [47.129.242.157]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1QGYk314192 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:34:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from zcars04e.ca.nortel.com (zcars04e.ca.nortel.com [47.129.242.56]) by zcars0m9.ca.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g1QGXtq07740; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from zcard015.ca.nortel.com (zcard015.ca.nortel.com [47.129.30.7]) by zcars04e.ca.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g1QGXru27143; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by zcard015.ca.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:33:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Glenn Parsons" To: ietf-fax@imc.org Cc: IETF VPIM List , um@snowshore.com Subject: ID-ACTIONs on UM Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:33:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0" Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Folks, These drafts discuss some general unified messaging (UM) client issues that I think would be worth discussing at both the FAX and VPIM WGs. After some discussion, I suggest we need to decide between the following: a) create a new BOF/WG to work on UM b) recharter VPIM and/or FAX to work on this c) close and combine VPIM and FAX into a new UM WG to work on this and remaining VPIM/FAX topics Cheers, Glenn Parsons VPIM WG Chair <<[VPIM] I-D ACTION:draft-vaudreuil-um-issues-00.txt>> <<[VPIM] I-D ACTION:draft-burger-um-reqts-00.txt>> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ID-ACTIONs on UM

Folks,

These drafts discuss some general = unified messaging (UM) client issues that I think would be worth = discussing at both the FAX and VPIM WGs.

After some discussion, I suggest we = need to decide between the following:
a) create a new BOF/WG to work on = UM
b) recharter VPIM and/or FAX to work = on this
c) close and combine VPIM and FAX = into a new UM WG to work on this and remaining VPIM/FAX topics

Cheers,
Glenn Parsons
VPIM WG Chair

  <<[VPIM] I-D = ACTION:draft-vaudreuil-um-issues-00.txt>> <<[VPIM] I-D = ACTION:draft-burger-um-reqts-00.txt>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0-- ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Message-ID: <200202221120.GAA27151@ietf.org> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ietf-imapext@imc.org, vpim@lists.neystadt.org Subject: [VPIM] I-D ACTION:draft-vaudreuil-um-issues-00.txt Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:20:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_003_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0" ------_=_NextPart_003_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: text/plain A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Messaging profile for telephone-based Messaging clients Author(s) : G. Vaudreuil Filename : draft-vaudreuil-um-issues-00.txt Pages : 12 Date : 21-Feb-02 This document discussed issues and requirements for a profile of the IMAP 4, message submission, and notification protocols for use by telephone user interfaces delivering the traditional voice mail user experience. Experience with IMAP 4 and voice mail systems has shown quite a few limitations that may be addressed by protocol extensions and standardized conventions between clients and servers. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vaudreuil-um-issues-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-vaudreuil-um-issues-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-vaudreuil-um-issues-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. ------_=_NextPart_003_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [VPIM] I-D ACTION:draft-vaudreuil-um-issues-00.txt

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telephone user interfaces delivering the traditional = voice mail user
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  ------_=_NextPart_005_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0-- ------_=_NextPart_004_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="ATT49682" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATT49682" Content-type: message/external-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20020221155809.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-vaudreuil-um-issues-00.txt ------_=_NextPart_004_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: message/external-body; site="internet-drafts"; dir="draft-vaudreuil-um-issues-00"; mode="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp" ------_=_NextPart_004_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0-- ------_=_NextPart_002_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0-- ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Message-ID: <200202221120.GAA27119@ietf.org> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: vpim@lists.neystadt.org, ietf-imapext@imc.org Subject: [VPIM] I-D ACTION:draft-burger-um-reqts-00.txt Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:20:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_003_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0" ------_=_NextPart_003_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: text/plain A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Internet Unified Messaging Requirements Author(s) : E. Burger Filename : draft-burger-um-reqts-00.txt Pages : 6 Date : 21-Feb-02 Internet Unified Messaging brings together the body of work done in VPIM, FPIM, IMAPEXT, and other IETF work groups. The goal is to provide a single infrastructure, mailbox, and set of interfaces for a user to get, respond to, and manipulate all of their messages, no matter what the media or source. This document describes the requirements for providing such a service. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-burger-um-reqts-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-burger-um-reqts-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-burger-um-reqts-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. ------_=_NextPart_003_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [VPIM] I-D ACTION:draft-burger-um-reqts-00.txt

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  ------_=_NextPart_005_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0-- ------_=_NextPart_004_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="ATT88278" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATT88278" Content-type: message/external-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20020221154736.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-burger-um-reqts-00.txt ------_=_NextPart_004_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0 Content-Type: message/external-body; site="internet-drafts"; dir="draft-burger-um-reqts-00"; mode="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp" ------_=_NextPart_004_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0-- ------_=_NextPart_002_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0-- ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1BEE3.5F4007D0-- From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 26 18:09:03 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA24448 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1QMXmu25071 for ietf-fax-bks; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp (mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp [202.211.49.20]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1QMXj325067 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from delsol.isd.ricoh.co.jp (IDENT:mirapoint@delsol [133.139.250.75]) by mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) id HAA13939 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:32:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp (lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp [133.139.60.72]) by delsol.isd.ricoh.co.jp (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ACO44054; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:32:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (maple.toda.ricoh.co.jp [133.139.60.73]) by lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7Wlily sendmail.cf v8) with ESMTP id HAA03794 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:30:16 +0900 (JST) To: ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: Monday 18, 15:30-17:30, at Minneapolis X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.1 (AOI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020227073445T.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:34:45 +0900 (JST) From: Hiroshi Tamura X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 15 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, The schedule is fixed. Agenda of the Fifty-third IETF MONDAY, March 18, 2002 1530-1730 Afternoon Sessions II APP fax Internet Fax WG -- Hiroshi Tamura, Co-chair of IETF-FAX WG E-mail: tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Wed Feb 27 18:51:34 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA24801 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1RNN9u09639 for ietf-fax-bks; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp (mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp [202.211.49.20]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1RNN6i09635 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from azteca.isd.ricoh.co.jp (IDENT:mirapoint@azteca [133.139.250.74]) by mail3.notes.ricoh.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) id IAA21622; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:22:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp (lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp [133.139.60.72]) by azteca.isd.ricoh.co.jp (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ACH31976; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:22:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (maple.toda.ricoh.co.jp [133.139.60.73]) by lily.toda.ricoh.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7Wlily sendmail.cf v8) with ESMTP id IAA03843; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:19:36 +0900 (JST) To: gparsons@nortelnetworks.com Cc: ietf-fax@imc.org, vpim@lists.neystadt.org, um@snowshore.com Subject: Re: ID-ACTIONs on UM In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.1 (AOI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020228082413K.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:24:13 +0900 (JST) From: Hiroshi Tamura X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 29 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn, Thanks for your suggestion. > These drafts discuss some general unified messaging (UM) client issues that > I think would be worth discussing at both the FAX and VPIM WGs. Yes. > After some discussion, I suggest we need to decide between the following: > a) create a new BOF/WG to work on UM > b) recharter VPIM and/or FAX to work on this > c) close and combine VPIM and FAX into a new UM WG to work on this and > remaining VPIM/FAX topics One idea, I think. Anyway, the time for this topic is necessary at FAX WG meeting. I think we can arrange 10-20 minutes. > <<[VPIM] I-D ACTION:draft-vaudreuil-um-issues-00.txt>> <<[VPIM] I-D > ACTION:draft-burger-um-reqts-00.txt>> Regards, -- Hiroshi Tamura, Co-chair of IETF-FAX WG E-mail: tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Thu Feb 28 16:25:19 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA20442 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:25:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1SKxOP17507 for ietf-fax-bks; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1SKxMi17503 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:59:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com [171.69.24.15]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id g1SKwfh18316; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:58:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from DWINGW2K (dhcp-128-107-139-147.cisco.com [128.107.139.147]) by mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADV74617; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:48:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Dan Wing" To: "Glenn Parsons" , Cc: "IETF VPIM List" , Subject: RE: ID-ACTIONs on UM Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:58:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0553_01C1C057.A4F657A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0553_01C1C057.A4F657A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ID-ACTIONs on UMI have long thought (c) would be best. I think the application area directors would also prefer (c), as it reduces the number of working groups. -d -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Glenn Parsons Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:34 AM To: ietf-fax@imc.org Cc: IETF VPIM List; um@snowshore.com Subject: ID-ACTIONs on UM Folks, These drafts discuss some general unified messaging (UM) client issues that I think would be worth discussing at both the FAX and VPIM WGs. After some discussion, I suggest we need to decide between the following: a) create a new BOF/WG to work on UM b) recharter VPIM and/or FAX to work on this c) close and combine VPIM and FAX into a new UM WG to work on this and remaining VPIM/FAX topics Cheers, Glenn Parsons VPIM WG Chair <<[VPIM] I-D ACTION:draft-vaudreuil-um-issues-00.txt>> <<[VPIM] I-D ACTION:draft-burger-um-reqts-00.txt>> ------=_NextPart_000_0553_01C1C057.A4F657A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ID-ACTIONs on UM

I = have long=20 thought (c) would be best.  I think the application area directors = would=20 also prefer (c), as it reduces the number of working = groups.
 
-d
-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org=20 [mailto:owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Glenn=20 Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:34 = AM
To:=20 ietf-fax@imc.org
Cc: IETF VPIM List;=20 um@snowshore.com
Subject: ID-ACTIONs on = UM

Folks,

These drafts discuss some general = unified=20 messaging (UM) client issues that I think would be worth discussing at = both=20 the FAX and VPIM WGs.

After some discussion, I suggest we = need to decide=20 between the following:
a) = create a new=20 BOF/WG to work on UM
b) = recharter VPIM=20 and/or FAX to work on this
c) = close and=20 combine VPIM and FAX into a new UM WG to work on this and remaining = VPIM/FAX=20 topics

Cheers,
Glenn=20 Parsons
VPIM WG Chair =

 =20 <<[VPIM] I-D ACTION:draft-vaudreuil-um-issues-00.txt>>=20 <<[VPIM] I-D=20 ACTION:draft-burger-um-reqts-00.txt>>=20

------=_NextPart_000_0553_01C1C057.A4F657A0-- From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Thu Feb 28 19:21:04 2002 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA27426 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1SNskP21325 for ietf-fax-bks; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from duck.mail.pas.earthlink.net (duck.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.117]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1SNr9i21283; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from eburger (ANice-102-2-1-235.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.60.235]) by duck.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19230; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:53:11 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Eric Burger" To: , "IETF UM" , Subject: FW: [VPIM] I-D ACTION:draft-burger-imap-chanuse-00.txt Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:52:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0091_01C1C089.23B60AF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C1C089.23B60AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This draft may be of interest to your groups. A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : IMAP CHANNEL Use Cases Author(s) : E. Burger Filename : draft-burger-imap-chanuse-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 27-Feb-02 This document describes different use cases for using the IMAP CHANNEL facility. Discussion of this and related drafts are on the IMAP Voice list. To subscribe, send the message 'subscribe' to ietf-imap-voice-request@imc.org . A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-burger-imap-chanuse-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-burger-imap-chanuse-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-burger-imap-chanuse-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C1C089.23B60AF0 Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="ATT00004.dat" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATT00004.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20020227125026.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-burger-imap-chanuse-00.txt ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C1C089.23B60AF0 Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-burger-imap-chanuse-00.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-burger-imap-chanuse-00.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20020227125026.I-D@ietf.org> ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C1C089.23B60AF0--