2008 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:12:21 +0800 From: =?utf-8?B?TGlnYW5nIERvbmco6JGj6buO5YiaKQ==?= Subject: Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-forces-model-11.txt] Comments: To: "Joel M. 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Halpern" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) On 25 Feb 2008, at 22:07, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > Once the Protocol document is also ready, I would ask the chairs to > deliver both documents to the AD for IETF last call. i know of no outstanding issue on the Protocol draft. have i missed something? a. 2008 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:54:37 +0200 From: Evangelos Haleplidis Subject: Config Response typo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings to the list, I believe there is a typo in the Protocol ver13 draft: Page 44 for Config Response: | Config | LFBselect | (SET-RESPONSE | | Section 7.6.2 | | Response | | SET-PROP-RESPONSE | | | | | | DEL-RESPONSE | | | | | | COMMIT-RESPONSE)+ | | It should be: | Config | (LFBselect)+ | (SET-RESPONSE | | Section 7.6.2 | | Response | | SET-PROP-RESPONSE | | | | | | DEL-RESPONSE | | | | | | COMMIT-RESPONSE)+ | | I was wondering As it is written in the Config Response: It indicates whether the Config was successful or not on the FE and also gives a detailed response regarding the configuration result of each component. Regards, Evangelos Haleplidis. 2008 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:28:14 -0500 From: "Joel M. Halpern" Subject: Re: [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-ietf-forces-model-11.txt] Comments: To: Avri Doria MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry. I have not tracked carefully the state of the reviews of the protocol document. If it is done, the the chairs should send both documents to the ADs. Now. Yours, Joel Avri Doria wrote: > > On 25 Feb 2008, at 22:07, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > >> Once the Protocol document is also ready, I would ask the chairs to >> deliver both documents to the AD for IETF last call. > > i know of no outstanding issue on the Protocol draft. have i missed > something? > > a. > > > 2008 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:07:10 -0500 From: "Joel M. Halpern" Subject: [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-ietf-forces-model-11.txt] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090304000107010108000509" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090304000107010108000509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is the revision to the ForCES model draft. It addresses all received comments to the best of my ability. Once the Protocol document is also ready, I would ask the chairs to deliver both documents to the AD for IETF last call. Yours, Joel PS: Did folks see the Juniper JCS 1200 announcement? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-forces-model-11.txt Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:15:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org CC: forces@peach.ease.lsoft.com A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Forwarding and Control Element Separation Working Group of the IETF. Title : ForCES Forwarding Element Model Author(s) : J. Halpern, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-forces-model-11.txt Pages : 129 Date : 2008-02-25 This document defines the forwarding element (FE) model used in the Forwarding and Control Element Separation (ForCES) protocol [2]. The model represents the capabilities, state and configuration of forwarding elements within the context of the ForCES protocol, so that control elements (CEs) can control the FEs accordingly. More specifically, the model describes the logical functions that are present in an FE, what capabilities these functions support, and how these functions are or can be interconnected. This FE model is intended to satisfy the model requirements specified in the ForCES requirements document, RFC3654 [4]. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-forces-model-11.txt --------------090304000107010108000509 Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-forces-model-11.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="draft-ietf-forces-model-11.txt" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-02-25120121.I-D\@ietf.org> --------------090304000107010108000509 Content-Type: text/plain; name="file:///C:/DOCUME~1/JOELHA~1/LOCALS~1/TEMP/nsmail.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename*0="file:///C:/DOCUME~1/JOELHA~1/LOCALS~1/TEMP/nsmail.txt" _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce --------------090304000107010108000509-- 2008 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:13:34 +0800 From: "Wang,Weiming" Subject: Re: Model Draft - Property MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SnVzdCB0YWxraW5nIGFib3V0IG15c2VsZiwgSSd2IHJlYWQgdGhyb3VnaCB0aGUgZWFybGllciB2 ZXJzaW9uIGFuZCBwcm9wb3NlZCBjb21tZW50cyBhbHJlYWR5LiBTb3JyeSB0aGF0IEkgaGF2bid0 IGdvdCB0aW1lIHJlY2VudGx5IHRvIGdvIHRocm91Z2ggaXQgYWdhaW4gZm9yIHRoZSBsYXRlc3Qg Y2hhbmdlKCB3aGljaCBJIGFsc28gdGhpbmsgbm90IHZlcnkgbmVjZXNzYXJ5KSwgYnV0IEknbSBv ayB3aXRoIHRoZSBsYXRlc3QgZGlzY3Vzc2lvbiByZXN1bHRzLiANCiANCiBBbnl3YXksIEknbSBv ayB3aXRoIHRoZSBkcmFmdCB0byBnbyBhaGVhZC4NCiANCiB0aGFua3MsDQpXZWltaW5nDQogDQo+ IC0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0gDQo+IEZyb206ICJKb2VsIE0uIEhhbHBlcm4i IDxqb2VsQHN0ZXZlY3JvY2tlci5jb20+DQo+IA0KPiA+IEhhcyBhbnlvbmUgaW4gdGhlIHdvcmtp bmcgZ3JvdXAgb3RoZXIgdGhhbiBUb20gZXZlbiByZWFkIHRoZSBsYXRlc3QgDQo+ID4gdmVyc2lv bj8gIChJdCdzIHVwIHRvIHRoZSBjaGFpcnMsIGJ1dCBJIGhvcGUgdGhhdCB3ZSB3aWxsIGdldCB0 aGUgZ28gDQo+ID4gYWhlYWQgdG8gc2VuZCB0byB0aGUgSUVTRyBldmVuIGlmIGZvbGtzIGhhdmVu J3QgcmVhZCBpdC4gIEJ1dCBpdCB3b3VsZCANCj4gPiBiZSBNVUNIIGJldHRlciBpZiBvdGhlciBm b2xrcyBoYWQgbG9va2VkIGF0IGl0ISkNCj4gPiANCj4gPiBZb3VycywNCj4gPiBKb2VsDQo+ID4= 2008 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:13:55 -0500 From: Jamal Hadi Salim Organization: ZNYX Networks Subject: Philadelphia meeting: Soliciting agenda items Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, If you want to present at the upcoming ForCES meeting, please send Patrick and myself email. Now that we have the MIB, Protocol and Model out of the way, presentation on newer work (within the charter) is being solicited. cheers, jamal 2008 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:16:19 +0100 From: Patrick Droz Organization: IBM Research Division Subject: Re: Model Draft - Property Comments: To: "Joel M. Halpern" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050408050600010509080703" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050408050600010509080703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Joel, from my side I would suggest to wait until the end of this week to give people a bit more time to react. After the changes from Tom are in the document I suggest to forward it to the IESG. Regards, Patrick Joel M. Halpern wrote: > Has anyone in the working group other than Tom even read the latest > version? 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I suggest adding 'Property' to the 'Definitions'. The word is given a specific technical meaning here, somewhat distinct from common usage, so you might consider adding: Property -- components have properties associated with them, readability, writability, length of string, event threshold and such like. Some of these properties may in turn be writable by the CE. Properties are discussed in more detail in section 4.8 Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Droz" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Model Draft > Dear WG members, > > I would like to initiate WG LC on the model draft. The LC will end on > February 15th well enough to make the cut for the forthcoming IETF. > Please to take the chance for last comments. > > Thanks, > Patrick > > Joel M. Halpern wrote: > > Well, since no one seems to object ... > > > > Chairs, this is a formal request for a last call to complete work on the > > Forces Model draft, > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-forces-model-10.txt > > > > Thank you, > > Joel M. Halpern > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dr. Patrick Droz | dro@zurich.ibm.com > IBM Zurich Research Laboratory | http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~dro > Saumerstrasse 4 | Tel. +41-44-724-85-25 > CH-8803 Rueschlikon/Switzerland | Fax. +41-44-724-85-78 > > 2008 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:01:53 -0500 From: "Joel M. Halpern" Subject: Re: Model Draft - Property MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone in the working group other than Tom even read the latest version? (It's up to the chairs, but I hope that we will get the go ahead to send to the IESG even if folks haven't read it. But it would be MUCH better if other folks had looked at it!) Yours, Joel 2008 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:59:39 -0500 From: "Joel M. Halpern" Subject: Re: Model Draft - Property Comments: To: "tom.petch" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will do. Joel tom.petch wrote: > One other thought, unrelated to my other two posts. I suggest adding 'Property' > to the 'Definitions'. The word is given a specific technical meaning here, > somewhat distinct from common usage, so you might consider adding: > > Property -- components have properties associated with them, readability, > writability, length of string, event threshold and such like. Some of these > properties may in turn be writable by the CE. Properties are discussed in more > detail in section 4.8 > > Tom Petch 2008 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:58:43 -0500 From: "Joel M. Halpern" Subject: Re: Model Draft - miscellaneous - IANA Comments: To: "tom.petch" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Tom. I will do that. Joel tom.petch wrote: > Joel > > Picking up just the point about IANA, I suggest, plagiarising shamelessly from > other I-Ds, ... specific useful and clear text deleted here, to be used in the draft. 2008 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:45:46 +0100 From: "tom.petch" Subject: Re: Model Draft - miscellaneous - IANA Comments: To: "Joel M. Halpern" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joel Picking up just the point about IANA, I suggest, plagiarising shamelessly from other I-Ds, 9.1. URN Namespace Registration IANA is requested to register a new XML namespace, as per the guidelines in RFC 3688 [RFC3688]. URI: The URI for this namespace is urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:forces:lfbmodel:1.0 Registrant Contact: IESG {or else could be ForCES working group} XML: none, this is an XML namespace 9.2 LFB Class Names and LFB Class Identifiers IANA is requested to created a register of ForCES LFB Class Names and LFB Class Identifiers. .... with the existing s.9 slightly modified to follow on from the above and adding [RFC3688] as a normative reference. I always like to give IANA a clear simple request to act; they may be ForCES experts, they may never have heard of it, the simpler the request is, the more likely it is to be followed accurately. Thus I specify 'ForCES LFB Class Names' just in case there is another LFB (Linked Forward Bidirectionality ?) that we have never heard of. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel M. Halpern" To: "tom.petch" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: Re: Model Draft - miscellaneous > Thank you Tom. Except for the few questions below, all of your comments > (in both messages) make sense to me and seem non-controversial, so I > will act on them as part of closing the WG last call, before IESG > submission. > Items I have questions about, or think should be highlighted to the > working group: > > tom.petch wrote: > > Some miscellaneous editorial suggestions > ... > > 4 Each of the library documents will conform to the schema presented ... > > /will/MUST/ ?? > It is really hard to mandate what happens in another RFC. Even if we > said MUST, they could do something different. On the other hand "will" > is odd language, so MUST is probably better. > > .. > > 7 why isn't there a State declaration in response to a State query? > Because this whole section is idiosyncratic to match other documents. > (I wouldn't even have it if it weren't mandated by earlier group > decisions in the framework / requirements work.) > > ... > > 9 assignment by IETF RFCs. > > I see this terminology as deprecated in favour of a more explicit Standards > > Track RFC or just RFC; RFC can be IETF or Individual Submission, either can be > > Standards Track or not. I think that this should be Standards Track, whether it > > comes from an IETF WG or as an Individual Submission, eg from a vendor. > I can live with standards track. Given that there is a first-come, > first-served section, standards track is probably quite reasonable for > the controlled section. > As a minor note, there is no such thing as an Individual Submission for > standards track. > > ... > > 9 I observe the lack of a request to IANA to allocate the XML namespace:-) > I am not sure what needs to be said to "allocate" the namespace beyond > the statement to the IANA about what namespace we are using. If there > is another sentence I can / should add, let me know. > 2008 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:56:12 +0100 From: "tom.petch" Subject: Re: Model Draft - miscellaneous Comments: To: Patrick Droz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some miscellaneous editorial suggestions 1 suggest that the reference to Terminology be made normative 3 Each LFB Class instance is identified by a 32 bit identities which are... suggest 'identitier which is' 3.2 A namespace is used to associate a unique name or ID ... suggest 'name and ID' 4 Each of the library documents will conform to the schema presented ... /will/MUST/ ?? 5.1 FEState model of this FE suggest 'state of this FE' 5.2.1 LFBs supported clause ... suggest 'SupportedLFBs element' 7 why isn't there a State declaration in response to a State query? 7.4 Capability attributes (components)will typically be read-only arguments, but in certain cases they may be configurable. ... but in 4.7.5 it states that capabilities are read-only so when configurable, do they not become operational components? 7.6 assigned identifiers with the scope of .. probably ok but I did have to read this several times - perhaps 'within the scope of' or 'with the naming scope of' 8 Enabled 8.1.1 still has 'enable' rather than 'enabled' 8.1 These two values are used by the LFB /too/to/ look up ... 9 assignment by IETF RFCs. I see this terminology as deprecated in favour of a more explicit Standards Track RFC or just RFC; RFC can be IETF or Individual Submission, either can be Standards Track or not. I think that this should be Standards Track, whether it comes from an IETF WG or as an Individual Submission, eg from a vendor. 9 If IANA extract the table and put it on the web site, it will not make much sense:-( Suggest putting in RFCxxxx and RFCyyyy with ---- note to the RFC Editor please replace RFC xxxx with the value assigned to this I-D and RFC yyyy with the value assigned to draft-ietf-forces-protocol 9 I observe the lack of a request to IANA to allocate the XML namespace:-) Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Droz" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Model Draft > Dear WG members, > > I would like to initiate WG LC on the model draft. The LC will end on > February 15th well enough to make the cut for the forthcoming IETF. > Please to take the chance for last comments. > > Thanks, > Patrick > > Joel M. Halpern wrote: > > Well, since no one seems to object ... > > > > Chairs, this is a formal request for a last call to complete work on the > > Forces Model draft, > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-forces-model-10.txt > > > > Thank you, > > Joel M. Halpern > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dr. Patrick Droz | dro@zurich.ibm.com > IBM Zurich Research Laboratory | http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~dro > Saumerstrasse 4 | Tel. +41-44-724-85-25 > CH-8803 Rueschlikon/Switzerland | Fax. +41-44-724-85-78 > > 2008 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:55:05 +0100 From: "tom.petch" Subject: Re: Model Draft - attributes Comments: To: Patrick Droz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My apologies - this is a belated response to the Draft Minutes that I had hoped to post before the I-D was reissued. I think that there are still many uses of 'attribute' that need changing, mostly to 'component', particularly in s.6 and s.7, to whit: 2.1 The possible configurable parameters (i.e., attributes) 3.2.1 The actual number of output instances in a group is an attribute of the LFB instance 4.5 These built-in data types can be readily used to define metadata or LFB attributes 4.5.3 The latter should be handled by capability attributes 4.7.4 The following example defines two attributes for an LFB: 4.7.4 CEs may attempt to reference non-existent or non-permitted attributes 4.7.5 The capability components are always read-only attributes, (suggest eliding the word entirely) 4.7.5 The following example lists two capability attributes: 4.8.1 The possible values of attribute access permission] (note the trailing ] 4.8.1 The attribute may be written, 4.8.1 The attribute may be read or written 6 (all nine uses) 7 (all 13 uses) 8.2 The other attribute Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Droz" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Model Draft > Dear WG members, > > I would like to initiate WG LC on the model draft. The LC will end on > February 15th well enough to make the cut for the forthcoming IETF. > Please to take the chance for last comments. > > Thanks, > Patrick > > Joel M. Halpern wrote: > > Well, since no one seems to object ... > > > > Chairs, this is a formal request for a last call to complete work on the > > Forces Model draft, > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-forces-model-10.txt > > > > Thank you, > > Joel M. Halpern > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dr. Patrick Droz | dro@zurich.ibm.com > IBM Zurich Research Laboratory | http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~dro > Saumerstrasse 4 | Tel. +41-44-724-85-25 > CH-8803 Rueschlikon/Switzerland | Fax. +41-44-724-85-78 > > 2008 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:50:19 -0500 From: "Joel M. Halpern" Subject: Re: Model Draft - miscellaneous Comments: To: "tom.petch" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Tom. Except for the few questions below, all of your comments (in both messages) make sense to me and seem non-controversial, so I will act on them as part of closing the WG last call, before IESG submission. Items I have questions about, or think should be highlighted to the working group: tom.petch wrote: > Some miscellaneous editorial suggestions ... > 4 Each of the library documents will conform to the schema presented ... > /will/MUST/ ?? It is really hard to mandate what happens in another RFC. Even if we said MUST, they could do something different. On the other hand "will" is odd language, so MUST is probably better. .. > 7 why isn't there a State declaration in response to a State query? Because this whole section is idiosyncratic to match other documents. (I wouldn't even have it if it weren't mandated by earlier group decisions in the framework / requirements work.) ... > 9 assignment by IETF RFCs. > I see this terminology as deprecated in favour of a more explicit Standards > Track RFC or just RFC; RFC can be IETF or Individual Submission, either can be > Standards Track or not. I think that this should be Standards Track, whether it > comes from an IETF WG or as an Individual Submission, eg from a vendor. I can live with standards track. Given that there is a first-come, first-served section, standards track is probably quite reasonable for the controlled section. As a minor note, there is no such thing as an Individual Submission for standards track. ... > 9 I observe the lack of a request to IANA to allocate the XML namespace:-) I am not sure what needs to be said to "allocate" the namespace beyond the statement to the IANA about what namespace we are using. If there is another sentence I can / should add, let me know. 2008 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:48:02 +0100 From: Patrick Droz Organization: IBM Research Division Subject: Re: Model Draft Comments: To: "Joel M. Halpern" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080601090702060305010706" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080601090702060305010706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear WG members, I would like to initiate WG LC on the model draft. The LC will end on February 15th well enough to make the cut for the forthcoming IETF. Please to take the chance for last comments. Thanks, Patrick Joel M. Halpern wrote: > Well, since no one seems to object ... > > Chairs, this is a formal request for a last call to complete work on the > Forces Model draft, > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-forces-model-10.txt > > Thank you, > Joel M. 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Halpern" Subject: Model Draft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, since no one seems to object ... Chairs, this is a formal request for a last call to complete work on the Forces Model draft, http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-forces-model-10.txt Thank you, Joel M. Halpern