From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Tue Jun 1 23:57:42 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA11508; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16380; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id UAA15826; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id UAA17133 for frnetmib-dist; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17126 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id UAA15354 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from telecom.samsung.co.kr (metro.telecom.samsung.co.kr [165.213.221.4]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10035 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from metro.telecom.samsung.co.kr (nmtranspc18 [165.213.241.113]) by telecom.samsung.co.kr (8.8.7H1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA26823 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:58:41 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <3754AD6A.1E04678B@metro.telecom.samsung.co.kr> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 13:04:58 +0900 From: Jai-Jin Lim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: (FRNETMIB) questions on draft-ietf-frnetmib-atmiwf-01.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear editors, I cannot understand why frAtmIwfConnectionTable has a frAtmIwfConnAtmPort, or that what's the purpose of it. In the draft, frAtmIwfConnAtmPort are read as "index in the ifTable that identifies the ATM port this interworking connection". But connection multiplexing at IWF is expected to occur at PDH interfaces like DS1/DS3, which may be identified by frAtmIwfConnFrPort. Or else In the draft, frAtmIwfConnAtmPort will be same to frAtmIwfConnFrPort ? Regards, Jai-Jin Lim X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Fri Jun 4 10:10:49 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05727; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.170.5]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03587; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id HAA13857; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id HAA20291 for frnetmib-dist; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail4 [129.144.134.6]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20284 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id HAA27482 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.visualnetworks.com ([208.22.72.43]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA23144 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shemp by mail.visualnetworks.com via smtpd (for venus.Sun.COM [192.9.25.5]) with SMTP; 4 Jun 1999 14:18:03 UT Received: by shemp.visualnetworks.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:13:59 -0400 Message-ID: <0F9AE864A5ECD011B3100060977F354A012D003A@shemp.visualnetworks.com> From: "Rehbehn, Kenneth" To: "'Li Ming (Nokia/PL)'" Cc: "'frnetmib@sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM'" Subject: (FRNETMIB) RE: question on FR/ATM iinterworking MIB Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:13:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Orly and I think it needs to be read-create. Clearly, upon creation the table row must be associated with some connection descriptor. I will change this in the next draft. Thanks for finding this problem! Ken -----Original Message----- From: Li Ming (Nokia/PL) [mailto:ming.li@dlcc.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 8:16 PM To: Rehbehn, Kenneth Subject: question on FR/ATM iinterworking MIB Hi, Kenneth. I am reading FR/ATM Service Interworking MIB (Internet Draft) and try to use this MIB for our products. Since the object frAtmIwfConnectionDescriptor in the frAtmIwfConnectionTable is defined as read-only, I was wondering how a connection can be associated with the given frAtmIwfConnectionDescriptor in the descriptor table when creating the connection? Thanks, --- Ming Li Nokia High Speed Access Products X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Fri Jun 4 10:13:43 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05805; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.25]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04866; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id HAA01243; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id HAA20313 for frnetmib-dist; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail3 [129.144.170.5]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20306 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id HAA14062 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.visualnetworks.com ([208.22.72.43]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA24275 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shemp by mail.visualnetworks.com via smtpd (for venus.Sun.COM [192.9.25.5]) with SMTP; 4 Jun 1999 14:21:15 UT Received: by shemp.visualnetworks.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:17:20 -0400 Message-ID: <0F9AE864A5ECD011B3100060977F354A012D003B@shemp.visualnetworks.com> From: "Rehbehn, Kenneth" To: "'Jai-Jin Lim'" , "'frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com'" Subject: RE: (FRNETMIB) questions on draft-ietf-frnetmib-atmiwf-01.txt Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:17:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ The connection table is providing a cross-connect between a PVC on an ATM interface, hence the need for the ifIndex of the ATM Port, and a PVC on a Frame Relay interface. We are adding more text to the MIB to describe the relationships of the different data objects. I hope it will be clearer! Cheers, Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: Jai-Jin Lim [mailto:jjlim@metro.telecom.samsung.co.kr] > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 12:05 AM > To: frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com > Subject: (FRNETMIB) questions on draft-ietf-frnetmib-atmiwf-01.txt > > > Dear editors, > I cannot understand why frAtmIwfConnectionTable has a > frAtmIwfConnAtmPort, or that what's > the purpose of it. In the draft, frAtmIwfConnAtmPort are read > as "index > in the ifTable that identifies the ATM port this interworking > connection". But connection multiplexing at IWF is expected > to occur at > PDH interfaces like DS1/DS3, which may be identified by > frAtmIwfConnFrPort. Or else In the draft, frAtmIwfConnAtmPort will be > same to frAtmIwfConnFrPort ? > Regards, > Jai-Jin Lim > > > X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with > X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. > X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Mon Jun 7 04:47:54 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA17915; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 04:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.25]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16239; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id BAA17190; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id BAA22711 for frnetmib-dist; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail1 [129.146.1.13]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22704 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id BAA21134 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from telecom.samsung.co.kr (metro.telecom.samsung.co.kr [165.213.221.4]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08059 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from metro.telecom.samsung.co.kr (nmtranspc18 [165.213.241.113]) by telecom.samsung.co.kr (8.8.7H1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20071 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:49:03 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <375B88FA.F3C99012@metro.telecom.samsung.co.kr> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:55:22 +0900 From: Jai-Jin Lim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: RE: (FRNETMIB) frAtmIwfConnAtmPort ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Rehbehn, Kenneth, OK. The connection table is maintinng a cross-connection information. FR DLCI ~ ATM VPC/VCC. Is it right ? My guesses start where if an ingress FR DLC is mapped an ATM PVC at interworking point, which is in turn cross-connected with another ATM connection, necessary information in interworking point is that {DLCI,VPI,VCI} at interworking point (frAtmIwfConnFrPort). And pure atm cross-connection information will be maintained at atmVplTable, atmVclTable, atmVpCrossconnectTable, and atmVcCrossconnectTable. So, my guess is that frAtmIwfConnAtmPort is redunt information. Is it any information for frAtmIwfConnAtmPort ? Regards, Jai-Jin Lim X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Mon Jun 7 20:21:49 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA03497; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.13]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29870; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id RAA12153; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id RAA24021 for frnetmib-dist; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail4 [129.144.134.6]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24014 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id RAA05742 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from telecom.samsung.co.kr (metro.telecom.samsung.co.kr [165.213.221.4]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05278 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from metro.telecom.samsung.co.kr (nmtranspc18 [165.213.241.113]) by telecom.samsung.co.kr (8.8.7H1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA32288; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:21:36 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <375C6388.66FD10F6@metro.telecom.samsung.co.kr> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:27:53 +0900 From: Jai-Jin Lim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rehbehn, Kenneth" , frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: Re: (FRNETMIB) questions on draft-ietf-frnetmib-atmiwf-01.txt References: <0F9AE864A5ECD011B3100060977F354A012D0046@shemp.visualnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK, this is the case when the single system performing the FR/ATM cross-connect and it does not then perform a second ATM cross-connect, which is made in next hop switch. The unclear things to me are when we cross-connect a FR-PVC over ATM (where a UNI has a FR-IWF interworking function) in a single switch, which is in turn cascaded to another ATM swith or network. (1) ingress(UNI) PDH port(ifIndex=3) such as DS1/DS3 carrying FR traffics over FR PVC with its DLCI=23 (2) The FR-IWF performs connection multiplexing in a 1-1 network interworked way, mapping DLC=23 to VPI/VCI=25/26. (3) egress(NNI) SDH port(ifIndex=56) such as STM1 carrying ATM traffics over ATM PVC with its VPI/VCI=34/35. In my sense, frAtmIwfConnTable is used to describe the (1) and (2). And (3) is described using atm{Vpl,Vcl,Crossconnection}Table. Thus my question is for describing (1) and (2). Regards, Jai-Jin Lim X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Mon Jun 21 16:31:10 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA09478; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.170.5]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23269; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id NAA27895; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id NAA01708 for frnetmib-dist; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01698 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id NAA20507 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.visualnetworks.com ([208.22.72.43]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA12443 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shemp by mail.visualnetworks.com via smtpd (for venus.Sun.COM [192.9.25.5]) with SMTP; 21 Jun 1999 20:38:16 UT Received: by shemp.visualnetworks.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:35:14 -0400 Message-ID: <0F9AE864A5ECD011B3100060977F354A012D0098@shemp.visualnetworks.com> From: "Rehbehn, Kenneth" To: "'frnetmib@sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM'" Subject: (FRNETMIB) Fragment Size Preference? Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:35:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Andy - Does anyone have any preference for a size range on the FRF.12 fragments in the FRS MIB? My strawman: frLportFragSize OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX Integer32 (32..8000) Cheers, Ken --------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Rehbehn Phone: +1-301-296-2325 Visual Networks Mobile: +1-301-529-4427 2092 Gaither Rd Fax: +1-301-296-2302 Rockville, MD 20850 EMail: krehbehn@visualnetworks.com http: //www.visualnetworks.com X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Mon Jun 21 20:50:53 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA12981; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.13]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26121; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id RAA01360; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id RAA02459 for frnetmib-dist; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail4 [129.144.134.6]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02452 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lukla.Sun.COM (lukla.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.5.31]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id RAA13502 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpo.casc.com (alpo.casc.com [152.148.10.6]) by lukla.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12806 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from amalis ([152.148.173.142]) by alpo.casc.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA29728; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.56.19990621204550.00e04100@alpo.casc.com> X-Sender: amalis@alpo.casc.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.56 (Beta) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:48:43 -0400 To: "Rehbehn, Kenneth" From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: Re: (FRNETMIB) Fragment Size Preference? Cc: "'frnetmib@sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM'" In-Reply-To: <0F9AE864A5ECD011B3100060977F354A012D0098@shemp.visualnetwo rks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Ken, >Does anyone have any preference for a size range on the FRF.12 fragments in >the FRS MIB? > >My strawman: > >frLportFragSize OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Integer32 (32..8000) I would change the 8000 to 8184 (derivation: 8192 - max 4 octet header - max 4 octet FCS) Cheers, Andy ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew G. Malis malis@ascend.com phone:978 952-7414 fax:978 392-2074 Ascend Communications, Inc. 1 Robbins Road Westford, MA 01886 X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Mon Jun 21 23:34:10 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA16195; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22704; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id UAA26369; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id UAA02528 for frnetmib-dist; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail4 [129.144.134.6]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02521 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id UAA26338 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.visualnetworks.com ([208.22.72.43]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA23717 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shemp by mail.visualnetworks.com via smtpd (for venus.Sun.COM [192.9.25.5]) with SMTP; 22 Jun 1999 03:41:43 UT Received: by shemp.visualnetworks.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:38:40 -0400 Message-ID: <0F9AE864A5ECD011B3100060977F354A012D009E@shemp.visualnetworks.com> From: "Rehbehn, Kenneth" To: "'frnetmib@sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM'" Subject: (FRNETMIB) draft-ietf-frnetmib-frs-mib-06 Available for Comment Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:38:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ The file draft-ieft-frnetmib-frs-mib-06.txt has been sent to the IETF Secretariat for posting in the I-D directory. It is available for inspection at: ftp://ftp.visualnetworks.com/pub/ietf/draft-ietf-frnetmib-frs-mib-06.txt Please review this text and get comments back to me before Friday's I-D deadline. To aid in your review, I have enclosed a PDF file that shows a Word "Diff" between -05 and -06. Check out the "REVISION" clause for the description of what changed. The DIFF file is available for inspection at: ftp://ftp.visualnetworks.com/pub/ietf/draft-ietf-frnetmib-frs-mib-06-DIFF.pd f Most of the changes in this version were in response to the review conducted by Bob Stewart in his role of WG Technical Advisor. Highlights of Bob's comments are: - Fix up the discusion of the System Group. Ver -05 says "this group is not instantiated". - Change the new read-write objects to use the convention xxxAdmin and xxxOper. Since we had an existing set of xxxOper objects named xxx, I left these intact. I did change the name xxxRW to xxxAdmin for all effected objects. - Establish a range for FRF.12 fragment sizes. - Don't say "value is equal to noSuchInstance" - Add UNITS and REFERENCE clauses Bob raised the issue of how instance-level access control works with these tables. I was unable to address this question. My main concern is that this MIB already exists - should we add more text dealing with this issue? Finally, I added a compliance module to address the new read-write "switch" model of the MIB. In doing so, I removed the new RW objects (now xxxAdmin) objects from the service compliance module. SMICNG compiles the file without error. Please review my changes carefully. It would be good to get changes in before Friday so that ver -07 can be posted to the I-D directory before Oslo. Thanks, Ken --------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Rehbehn Phone: +1-301-296-2325 Visual Networks Fax: +1-301-296-2302 2092 Gaither Rd EMail: krehbehn@visualnetworks.com Rockville, MD 20850 http://www.visualnetworks.com X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Tue Jun 22 15:03:29 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA13625; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.25]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04378; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id MAA07949; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id MAA03498 for frnetmib-dist; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03491 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lukla.Sun.COM (lukla.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.5.31]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id MAA07860 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.newbridge.com (ns.newbridge.com [192.75.23.67]) by lukla.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12316 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:02:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by ns.newbridge.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id PAA00239 for frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal1.newbridge.com(192.75.23.76) via SMTP by ns.newbridge.com, id smtpdAAAa00199; Tue Jun 22 15:02:26 1999 Received: from kanata-mh1.ca.newbridge.com by portal1.newbridge.com via smtpd (for ns.newbridge.com [192.75.23.67]) with SMTP; 22 Jun 1999 19:07:31 UT Received: from kanmail02.ca.newbridge.com by kanata-mh1.ca.newbridge.com with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:02:17 -0400 Received: from newbridge.com ([138.120.55.103]) by kanmail02.ca.newbridge.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA32E3; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:02:15 -0400 Message-Id: <376FDE72.34578754@newbridge.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:05:26 -0400 From: "DAVID FOWLER" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rehbehn, Kenneth" CC: "'frnetmib@sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM'" Subject: Re: (FRNETMIB) draft-ietf-frnetmib-frs-mib-06 Available for Comment References: <0F9AE864A5ECD011B3100060977F354A012D009E@shemp.visualnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Ken! Glad to see an updated copy. Looks good to me. The changes clarify a number of things. Regards, David "Rehbehn, Kenneth" wrote: > The file draft-ieft-frnetmib-frs-mib-06.txt has been sent to the IETF > Secretariat for posting in the I-D directory. It is available for > inspection at: > > ftp://ftp.visualnetworks.com/pub/ietf/draft-ietf-frnetmib-frs-mib-06.txt > > Please review this text and get comments back to me before Friday's I-D > deadline. > > To aid in your review, I have enclosed a PDF file that shows a Word "Diff" > between -05 and -06. Check out the "REVISION" clause for the description of > what changed. The DIFF file is available for inspection at: > > ftp://ftp.visualnetworks.com/pub/ietf/draft-ietf-frnetmib-frs-mib-06-DIFF.pd > f > > Most of the changes in this version were in response to the review conducted > by Bob Stewart in his role of WG Technical Advisor. Highlights of Bob's > comments are: > > - Fix up the discusion of the System Group. Ver -05 says "this group is not > instantiated". > > - Change the new read-write objects to use the convention xxxAdmin and > xxxOper. Since we had an existing set of xxxOper objects named xxx, I left > these intact. I did change the name xxxRW to xxxAdmin for all effected > objects. > > - Establish a range for FRF.12 fragment sizes. > > - Don't say "value is equal to noSuchInstance" > > - Add UNITS and REFERENCE clauses > > Bob raised the issue of how instance-level access control works with these > tables. I was unable to address this question. My main concern is that > this MIB already exists - should we add more text dealing with this issue? > > Finally, I added a compliance module to address the new read-write "switch" > model of the MIB. In doing so, I removed the new RW objects (now xxxAdmin) > objects from the service compliance module. > > SMICNG compiles the file without error. > > Please review my changes carefully. It would be good to get changes in > before Friday so that ver -07 can be posted to the I-D directory before > Oslo. > > Thanks, > Ken > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Ken Rehbehn Phone: +1-301-296-2325 > Visual Networks Fax: +1-301-296-2302 > 2092 Gaither Rd EMail: krehbehn@visualnetworks.com > Rockville, MD 20850 http://www.visualnetworks.com > > > X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with > X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. 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This draft is a work item of the Frame Relay Service MIB Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Objects for Monitoring and Controlling the Frame Relay/ATM PVC Service Interworking Function Author(s) : K. Rehbehn, G. Mouradian, O. Nicklass Filename : draft-ietf-frnetmib-atmiwf-02.txt Pages : 45 Date : 22-Jun-99 This memo defines a Management Information Base (MIB) for monitoring and controlling a service interworking function (IWF) for Permanent Virtual Connections (PVC) between Frame Relay and Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) technologies. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-frnetmib-atmiwf-02.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-frnetmib-atmiwf-02.txt". 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From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Thu Jun 24 09:22:36 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA13100; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.13]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12892; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id GAA18982; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id GAA07917 for frnetmib-dist; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail3 [129.144.170.5]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07910 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id GAA07913 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from services.paradyne.com (services.paradyne.com [135.90.253.90]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03554 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.eng.paradyne.com ([135.26.1.14]) by services.paradyne.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA4D94 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:22:09 -0400 Received: from eng.paradyne.com (graysnapper.eng.paradyne.com [135.26.4.35]) by hermes.eng.paradyne.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04943 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <377230FF.C7011C45@eng.paradyne.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:22:07 -0400 From: Rob Steinberger Organization: Paradyne Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: (FRNETMIB) First Draft of SLA (FRF.13) MIB Ready Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, The first draft of the FRF.13 Service Level Definitions MIB is ready. Please, feel free to comment. It can be found at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-steinberger-frmrelay-service-00.txt Thanks, Rob. X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Thu Jun 24 12:10:42 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA16647; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:10:41 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.13]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18616; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id JAA07443; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id JAA08157 for frnetmib-dist; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906241544.AAA01226@paxws1.chungnam.ac.kr> Subject: (FRNETMIB) interface stack relation To: frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:44:48 +0900 (KST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, all. >From draft-frnetmib-06, I don't know when the frame relay service interface is generated? That is, for unchannelized service, Frame Relay interface is higher than physical layer(ds1 or ds3). For channelized service, it is higher than ds0 or ds0Bundle. I know how the ds0 or ds0Bundle interface is created by RFC2494. But I don't know when the frame relay interface is laid on physical or ds0 or ds0Bundle. If that is role of system operator, why isn't there such a mib? Give me a good advice. And from draft-fr-atm-iw-02, I want to know the stack relationship of each interfaces. Is it possible the following stack ? : 6. AAL5 5. ATM 4. Frame Relay 3. ds0Bundle 2. ds0s 1. ds1 Apperently, the relation between 4.frame Relay and 5.ATM is the role of FrAtmIwConnectionTable. Give me a good advice, too. Thank you all. X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Thu Jun 24 12:29:33 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA17003; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.25]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27873; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id JAA25970; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id JAA08248 for frnetmib-dist; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906241544.AAA01226@paxws1.chungnam.ac.kr> Subject: (FRNETMIB) interface stack relation To: frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:44:48 +0900 (KST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, all. >From draft-frnetmib-06, I don't know when the frame relay service interface is generated? That is, For unchannelized service, Frame Relay interface is higher than physical layer(ds1 or ds3). For channelized service, it is higher than ds0 or ds0Bundle. I know how the ds0 or ds0Bundle interface is created by RFC2494. But I don't know when the frame relay interface is laid on physical or ds0 or ds0Bundle. If that is role of system operator, why isn't there such a mib? Give me a good advice. And from draft-fr-atm-iw-02, I want to know the stack relationship of each interfaces. Is it possible the following stack ? : 6. AAL5 5. ATM 4. Frame Relay 3. ds0Bundle 2. ds0s 1. ds1 Apperently, the relation between 4.frame Relay and 5.ATM is the role of FrAtmIwConnectionTable. Give me a good advice, too. Thank you all. X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Thu Jun 24 15:56:49 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20923; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.25]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28834; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id MAA08602; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id MAA08626 for frnetmib-dist; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail4 [129.144.134.6]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08618 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id MAA17622 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.visualnetworks.com ([208.22.72.43]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06418 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shemp by mail.visualnetworks.com via smtpd (for venus.Sun.COM [192.9.25.5]) with SMTP; 24 Jun 1999 20:03:27 UT Received: by shemp.visualnetworks.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:00:32 -0400 Message-ID: <0F9AE864A5ECD011B3100060977F354A012D00B6@shemp.visualnetworks.com> From: "Rehbehn, Kenneth" To: "'frnetmib@sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM'" Subject: RE: (FRNETMIB) interface stack relation Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:00:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ I am not sure I understand the questions - but I'll try ... > -----Original Message----- > >From draft-frnetmib-06, > I don't know when the frame relay service interface is generated? > That is, > For unchannelized service, Frame Relay interface is higher > than physical > layer(ds1 or ds3). > For channelized service, it is higher than ds0 or ds0Bundle. > I know how the ds0 or ds0Bundle interface is created by RFC2494. > But I don't know when the frame relay interface is laid on > physical or ds0 "When" it is done is implementation specific. The Frame Relay Service MIB and, the interface stack tables, and the interface MIB have relationships that the network management system controls. Some objects (physical interfaces) get created before others (frame relay DLCIs). > or ds0Bundle. If that is role of system operator, why isn't > there such a mib? > > Give me a good advice. > > And from draft-fr-atm-iw-02, > I want to know the stack relationship of each interfaces. > Is it possible the following stack ? : > 6. AAL5 > 5. ATM > 4. Frame Relay > 3. ds0Bundle > 2. ds0s > 1. ds1 No. The fr-atm-iwf MIB provides a cross-connect table that associates an endpoint row in the frame relay service MIB and an endpoint row in the ATM MIB. Each endpoint is associated with its own interface stack. > > Apperently, the relation between 4.frame Relay and 5.ATM is > the role of > FrAtmIwConnectionTable. That's correct! Cheers, Ken X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Sun Jun 27 09:52:40 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA29609; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.13]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA25104; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 06:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id GAA03826; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 06:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id GAA11179 for frnetmib-dist; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 06:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail3 [129.144.170.5]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11172 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 06:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id GAA14917 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 06:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpo.casc.com (alpo.casc.com [152.148.10.6]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09506 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 06:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amalis ([152.148.173.139]) by alpo.casc.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA11440; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.56.19990627092923.01f5d800@alpo.casc.com> X-Sender: amalis@alpo.casc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.56 (Beta) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:30:07 -0400 To: frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: (FRNETMIB) Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-steinberger-frmrelay-service-00.txt Cc: "Andrew G. Malis" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ FYI ... >To: IETF-Announce: ; >From: Internet-Drafts@odin.ietf.org >Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@odin.ietf.org >Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-steinberger-frmrelay-service-00.txt >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:20:25 -0400 >Sender: nsyracus@ns.cnri.reston.va.us > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > > > Title : Definitions of Managed Objects > for Frame Relay Service Level Definitions > Author(s) : R. Steinberger, O. Nicklass > Filename : draft-steinberger-frmrelay-service-00.txt > Pages : 36 > Date : 23-Jun-99 > >This memo defines an extension of the Management Information Base >(MIB) for use with network management protocols in TCP/IP-based >internets. In particular, it defines objects for managing the Frame >Relay Service Level Definitions. This memo does not specify a >standard for the Internet community. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-steinberger-frmrelay-service-00.txt > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username >"anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, >type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-steinberger-frmrelay-service-00.txt". > >A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew G. Malis malis@ascend.com phone:978 952-7414 fax:978 392-2074 Lucent Technologies 1 Robbins Road Westford, MA 01886 X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Sun Jun 27 15:14:13 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA02441; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08829; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id MAA27102; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id MAA11319 for frnetmib-dist; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11312 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id MAA07225; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpo.casc.com (alpo.casc.com [152.148.10.6]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11170; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amalis ([152.148.173.149]) by alpo.casc.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03324; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.56.19990627145919.01df15b0@alpo.casc.com> X-Sender: amalis@alpo.casc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.56 (Beta) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:01:17 -0400 To: frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: (FRNETMIB) Proposed frnetmib agenda in Oslo Cc: "Andrew G. Malis" , Thomas Narten , Erik Nordmark Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Here is the proposed frnetmib agenda in Oslo. I plan to send it in Tuesday afternoon for official posting, so please let me know by then if I missed anything or anyone else would like time on the agenda. Thanks, Andy ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew G. Malis malis@ascend.com phone:978 952-7414 fax:978 392-2074 Lucent Technologies 1 Robbins Road Westford, MA 01886 X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Mon Jun 28 06:32:39 1999 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24252; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.13]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA03050; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id DAA22051; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id DAA11633 for frnetmib-dist; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11626 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id DAA07548; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpo.casc.com (alpo.casc.com [152.148.10.6]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14215; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amalis ([152.148.173.96]) by alpo.casc.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00609; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.56.19990628060954.01e64cd0@alpo.casc.com> X-Sender: amalis@alpo.casc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.56 (Beta) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:12:24 -0400 To: frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com, Thomas Narten , Erik Nordmark From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: Re: (FRNETMIB) Proposed frnetmib agenda in Oslo Cc: "Andrew G. Malis" In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.56.19990627145919.01df15b0@alpo.casc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Whoops ... it would be easier to get comments back if I actually enclosed the agenda. Sorry about that ..... ======== Frame Relay Service MIB WG (frnetmib) Tuesday, July 13, 1700 - 1800 ============================= Chair: Andy Malis AGENDA: 1. Administrivia, current documents status 2. Ken Rehbehn and Orly Nicklass, draft-ietf-frnetmib-atmiwf-02.txt, Definitions of Managed Objects for Monitoring and Controlling the Frame Relay/ATM PVC Service Interworking Function 3. Rob Steinberger and Orly Nicklass, draft-steinberger-frmrelay- service-00.txt, Definitions of Managed Objects for Frame Relay Service Level Definitions 4. Open discussion Thanks, Andy ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew G. Malis amalis@lucent.com phone:978 952-7414 fax:978 392-2074 Lucent Technologies 1 Robbins Road Westford, MA 01886 X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message.