From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Fri Sep 1 04:36:53 2000 Received: from mail.hethmon.com (mail.hethmon.com [208.147.156.32]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id EAA06908 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail (mail.hethmon.com [208.147.156.32]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) id 20000901033517-6982-9 ; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 03:35:17 -0500 Received: from mail.vr.net (mail.vr.net [205.133.13.8]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) id 20000901033511-60585-8 ; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 03:35:13 -0500 Received: (from lundberg@localhost) by mail.vr.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e818UrN28309; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:30:53 -0400 Message-ID: <20000901043052.A26402@vr.net> References: <200008311912.MAA16104@roll.mentat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <200008311912.MAA16104@roll.mentat.com>; from Mike Saul on Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 12:33:29PM -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:35:14 -0500 X-OldDate: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:30:53 -0400 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: Gregory A Lundberg To: Mike Saul Subject: Ftp-WG: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-saul-ftp-plus-00.txt > Perhaps a better solution here would be to use the EPRT and EPSV > definitions of RFC 2428 in place of the XPRT and XPSV commands. The only > trouble is there is no address family number for XTP in RFC 1700. We > would have to get one from IANA. If all you're missing is an assignment of an address family name/number from IANA, the best solution would be to take that route. It should make a number of things easier as well; for or instance, I would not be surprise to find that, with the assignment, you would find it a lot easier to get POSIX acceptance of XTP's address family for such things as the bind() function. > I understand. So I would like to propose some other ways to do this. > One alternative is to modify the REST command to add an optional length > parameter. The only problem is that in some cases we are not trying to > RESTART a transfer and we are just trying to send part of a file. So > instead of overloading the REST command perhaps a better solution would > be to create a STPA (Store Parameters) and a RTPA (Retrieve Parameters) > command? There would be no file names associated with these commands, so > the "file names with spaces" problem would be eliminated. Note that > having both an offset and a length parameter (to some acceptable command) > should be of general interest to this working group and the IETF > community. Historically, the intention of FTP was _file_ transfer. Not record transfer, nor any form of partial-file transfer. The use of REST to restore an interrupted transfer arose from the realization that most files available via FTP do not change very often (if ever), some are exremely large, and one would desire to not have to spend the bandwidth on retransmission of the first few gigabyte of a download simply because of a loss of connectivity. The problem with REST is there is no way to ensure the file has, in fact, not changed. This is why its use with stream-mode transfers has never been sanctioned. The MLST draft codifies existing practice in this respect, simply by pointing out that one must take steps to attempt to avoid the problem of pasting the end of one generation of a file onto the beginning of an earlier one; it offers suggestions on how to do this, but no solutions. You will find the FTP Working Group divided on the subject of partial transfers. The majority view, however, has historically been that the FTP is not intended to be a replacement for more general file access methods (such as NFS and SMB). So I would expect sufficient resistance to a generalized record-update method such as your proposal appears to be attempting to provide to effectively block any such effort. The question is: what are you attempting to accomplish? If what you're trying to do is provide a means to download (and, perhaps, upload and replace), say, a specific frame or scene from a multi-frame or multi-scene video file I would suggest the best way to handle this would be to synthesis some form of "partioning" on the file. One could take the view that your "video file" is simply a "directory" and that each "file" within it corresponds to some "frame" or "scene". With such a scheme, one approach would be to normalize the naming (addressing) within the FTP NVFS. Since your current desire is to use raw offsets and lengths, this does not seem appealing. If, however, one chooses to view a video file as a "partitioned dataset" where each part has a symbolic name, this would seem the way to go. Another scheme would be, as you seem to be suggesting, some form of parametric lead-in command. I would envision this working similar to RNFR, in that the lead-in command would return an intermediate reply and the server would enter a state waiting for a STOR or RETR command. Bear in mind that there will be no means to ensure synchonization. This means that read-modify-write sequences will be inherently unreliable. We have that problem now, but only at the "file" level, and the problem is mitigated by the fact that most FTP sites separate upload and download areas, leaving the problem of in-place replacement of files to the users to handle. It's late, and the only reason I'm online right now is my cold meds wore off. My mind is spinning with ideas on how to handle what I see as the problem you're trying to solve. I'll leave this subject for now, with the following thoughts: - as I see it, there are two issues; the support for XTP as a transport mechanism .. which obtaining IANA assignment would be the first step toward solving .. and the ability to store or retrieve partial files. - I do not see how partial file support is a _requirement_ for XTP support. - it would help me if I knew what you're trying to accomplish with partial file support. Specifically, is raw byte-offset the only acceptable method to you? If what you're really trying to do is say "replace this scene with this other one", that's a completely different problem from simple byte offsets. - the problem of synchonization in partial file support is sufficiently complex that it's unlikely you will be able to solve it within the confines of the FTP. While it is possible to offer some limited support for it, you might be better off shifting the problem to some other protocol which already has solutions (such as NFS or SMB). - separating your needs to support XTP as a transport mechanism from your needs for partial file support is probably a Good Idea(tm). It means the base support of the transport mechanism can go forward. At the same time discussion of partial file support could be made more generic. Put another way: I see apples and oranges in your basket; why not make it two baskets so those who only want apples don't have to take the oranges with them? > Here we are not trying to find out whether the server supports the RATE > command; we want to know the current value. Is FEAT still more appropriate? Yes. And OPTN could be used to modify the value if you so desire. > I understand. The second parameter to SIZE is not really necessary. What I was getting at was that you were attempting to discover a "fact" about a file. 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The only > > trouble is there is no address family number for XTP in RFC 1700. We > > would have to get one from IANA. > > If all you're missing is an assignment of an address family name/number > from IANA, the best solution would be to take that route. It should make a > number of things easier as well; for or instance, I would not be surprise > to find that, with the assignment, you would find it a lot easier to get > POSIX acceptance of XTP's address family for such things as the bind() > function. Gregory, I've had to think about this (and other things) for a while. Let's see how the request for XTP address family(s) goes with IANA. It would make things a lot easier if we could go that way. However, RFC 2428 currently refers specifically to tcp-port in the format of the EPRT command: EPRT so some kind of explanation (or modification is needed somewhere). The other alternative would be to have a separate command that indicates the transport (TCP, XTP) in addition to the EPRT/EPSV commands. > > I understand. So I would like to propose some other ways to do this. > > One alternative is to modify the REST command to add an optional length > > parameter. The only problem is that in some cases we are not trying to > > RESTART a transfer and we are just trying to send part of a file. So > > instead of overloading the REST command perhaps a better solution would > > be to create a STPA (Store Parameters) and a RTPA (Retrieve Parameters) > > command? There would be no file names associated with these commands, so > > the "file names with spaces" problem would be eliminated. Note that > > having both an offset and a length parameter (to some acceptable command) > > should be of general interest to this working group and the IETF > > community. > > Historically, the intention of FTP was _file_ transfer. Not record > transfer, nor any form of partial-file transfer. > > The use of REST to restore an interrupted transfer arose from the > realization that most files available via FTP do not change very often (if > ever), some are exremely large, and one would desire to not have to spend > the bandwidth on retransmission of the first few gigabyte of a download > simply because of a loss of connectivity. > > The problem with REST is there is no way to ensure the file has, in fact, > not changed. This is why its use with stream-mode transfers has never been > sanctioned. The MLST draft codifies existing practice in this respect, > simply by pointing out that one must take steps to attempt to avoid the > problem of pasting the end of one generation of a file onto the beginning > of an earlier one; it offers suggestions on how to do this, but no > solutions. > > You will find the FTP Working Group divided on the subject of partial > transfers. The majority view, however, has historically been that the FTP > is not intended to be a replacement for more general file access methods > (such as NFS and SMB). So I would expect sufficient resistance to a > generalized record-update method such as your proposal appears to be > attempting to provide to effectively block any such effort. > > The question is: what are you attempting to accomplish? If what you're > trying to do is provide a means to download (and, perhaps, upload and > replace), say, a specific frame or scene from a multi-frame or multi-scene > video file I would suggest the best way to handle this would be to > synthesis some form of "partioning" on the file. One could take the view > that your "video file" is simply a "directory" and that each "file" within > it corresponds to some "frame" or "scene". > > With such a scheme, one approach would be to normalize the naming > (addressing) within the FTP NVFS. Since your current desire is to use raw > offsets and lengths, this does not seem appealing. If, however, one > chooses to view a video file as a "partitioned dataset" where each part has > a symbolic name, this would seem the way to go. > > Another scheme would be, as you seem to be suggesting, some form of > parametric lead-in command. I would envision this working similar to RNFR, > in that the lead-in command would return an intermediate reply and the > server would enter a state waiting for a STOR or RETR command. Yes, this is what I was suggesting. > Bear in mind that there will be no means to ensure synchonization. This > means that read-modify-write sequences will be inherently unreliable. We > have that problem now, but only at the "file" level, and the problem is > mitigated by the fact that most FTP sites separate upload and download > areas, leaving the problem of in-place replacement of files to the users to > handle. > > It's late, and the only reason I'm online right now is my cold meds wore > off. My mind is spinning with ideas on how to handle what I see as the > problem you're trying to solve. I'll leave this subject for now, with the > following thoughts: > > - as I see it, there are two issues; the support for XTP as a transport > mechanism .. which obtaining IANA assignment would be the first step > toward solving .. and the ability to store or retrieve partial files. Correct. > - I do not see how partial file support is a _requirement_ for XTP > support. That is also correct. That is why your suggested title "XTP Extentions to FTP" doesn't quite fit. The SMPTE/EBU task force thought that both of these issues were important enought to stick under the FTP+ umbrella. See below. > - it would help me if I knew what you're trying to accomplish with partial > file support. Specifically, is raw byte-offset the only acceptable > method to you? If what you're really trying to do is say "replace this > scene with this other one", that's a completely different problem from > simple byte offsets. I think that at this time the desire for a raw byte-offset is still a real goal. The following is from one of the originators of FTP+, Al Kovalick. The comments from Mike and Gregory were very interesting. I have been involved with the requirements of FTP+ from the start. I must admit we didn't see the "file name with spaces" problem although I use such every day. Live and learn. Regarding the read partial file command form, this was an early requirement. Although I appreciate Gregory's ideas, the world of media formats will not change for us nor is any type of reformatting practical. Users may need to access only a portion of (say a 10 GB) a movie for a credit check. A partial read is manditory. Sure we considered NFS and SMB but we need the functionality in FTP for sake of "one stop shopping". > - the problem of synchonization in partial file support is sufficiently > complex that it's unlikely you will be able to solve it within the > confines of the FTP. While it is possible to offer some limited support > for it, you might be better off shifting the problem to some other > protocol which already has solutions (such as NFS or SMB). I agree that updating a part of a file (STOR) presents special synchronization problems, whereas the sending of part of a file (RETR) shouldn't present any more synchronization problems than we already have. > - separating your needs to support XTP as a transport mechanism from your > needs for partial file support is probably a Good Idea(tm). It means > the base support of the transport mechanism can go forward. At the same > time discussion of partial file support could be made more generic. Put > another way: I see apples and oranges in your basket; why not make it > two baskets so those who only want apples don't have to take the oranges > with them? Yes, I can see where the separation of the two issues would be a good idea under this forum. I'm open to ideas on how I should proceed, and thanks for all of the input. At some point my head will also stop spinning. > > Here we are not trying to find out whether the server supports the RATE > > command; we want to know the current value. Is FEAT still more appropriate? > > Yes. And OPTN could be used to modify the value if you so desire. > > > I understand. The second parameter to SIZE is not really necessary. > > What I was getting at was that you were attempting to discover a "fact" > about a file. While MLST is not yet at RFC stage, my suggestion is that it > would be more appropriate to use MLST to discover the fact. All that > should be required in this case (once MLST reaches RFC stage) would be the > registration of the "fact" code(s) with IANA. > > -- > > Gregory A Lundberg WU-FTPD Development Group > 1441 Elmdale Drive lundberg@wu-ftpd.org > Kettering, OH 45409-1615 USA 1-800-809-2195 Mike Saul mike@mentat.com From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Wed Sep 6 21:44:26 2000 Received: from mail.hethmon.com (mail.hethmon.com [208.147.156.32]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA26796 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail (mail.hethmon.com [208.147.156.32]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) id 20000906204611-13301-12 ; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 20:46:11 -0500 Received: from anarchy.io.com (anarchy.io.com [199.170.88.101]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) id 20000906204608-51165-10 ; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 20:46:08 -0500 Received: from magnus.io.com (as1-dialup-105.io.com [206.224.82.105]) by anarchy.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11262 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:41:57 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000906203614.00b7fd70@mail.io.com> X-Sender: alun@mail.io.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 In-Reply-To: <200009070117.SAA11507@roll.mentat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:46:09 -0500 X-OldDate: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 20:41:37 -0500 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: Alun Jones To: FTPEXT Working Group Subject: Ftp-WG: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-saul-ftp-plus-00.txt At 08:20 PM 9/6/2000, you wrote: >That is also correct. That is why your suggested title "XTP Extentions to >FTP" >doesn't quite fit. The SMPTE/EBU task force thought that both of these issues >were important enought to stick under the FTP+ umbrella. See below. I think "FTP+" is very definitely the wrong term to use. It implies that it continues the generic FTP as it stands into future versions - whereas I think your proposal is more aimed at a small subset of possible users' demands. To add the suggested features in as generic additions to FTP would require so much in the way of file locking, etc, that we'd find ourselves heading into the territory of reinventing other protocols that are already better at that task. Alun. ~~~~ -- Texas Imperial Software | Try WFTPD, the Windows FTP Server. Find us at 1602 Harvest Moon Place | http://www.wftpd.com or email alun@texis.com Cedar Park TX 78613-1419 | VISA/MC accepted. NT-based sites, be sure to Fax/Voice +1(512)378-3246 | read details of WFTPD Pro for NT. 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Whilst updating the FTP/SSL draft (soon to be
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removed from the subject doc.

Should the following para be deleted from section 11 too ?

"With the introduction of virtual hosts to FTP, and the possible
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(sorry if this has been pointed out before, but it is very hard to extract
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100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL.

Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2. 96 more than I needed. So I
sat back and relaxed.

By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, received $58,000 with more coming
in
every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much need new car!
Please
take your time to read this plan, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER$!!!
Remember, it won’t work if you don’t try it. This program does work, But
you
must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your

name in a different place. It won’t work and you’ll lose out on a lot of

money! In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+

orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make
$50,000 or more in 90 days.

I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!!

If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really
is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you.  If you choose
toparticipate, follow the program and you will be on your way to
financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and
are financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own
business, consider this a sign. I DID! $$

Sincerely,
Johnathon Rourke

A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you
have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded
that
such a program, and one that is legal, cpuld not have been created by an

amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable
business
for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing
the
same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn’t
working.
Finally, I figured it out. It wasn’t me, it was the economy. Inflation
and
recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since
1945.
I don’t have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate because
many
of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and
bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who

knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did
not,
including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving
down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, THE RICH GET RICHER

ANDTHE POOR GET POORER.  The traditional methods of making money will
never
allow you to move up or get rich, inflation will see to that You have
just
received the rest of  your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF
EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few months than you have
everimagined.I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this

money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program.
I
retired from the program after sending thousands and thousands of
programs.
Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way.
It
works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copyof this
exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send

this to may send out 50,000 and your name will be on everyone of them!
REMEMBER though, ------ the MORE YOU SEND OUT, the more potential
customers
you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas,  information,
materials and opportunity to become financially independent.

IT IS UP TO YOU!! NOW DO IT!!

BEFORE YOU delete this program from your in box, as I almost did, take a

little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and
figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst
possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still
make a
lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts
you
have will vanish when your first orders come in. $$$ IT WORKS!!! $$$

Jody Jacobs Richmond, VA.

HERE’S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS$$$$!!!!

This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure
that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you
say
BULL, please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter,but
a
perfectly legal money making business. As with all multi-level
businesses,
we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our
products.
Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business
partners, and we sell and deliver a product for EVERY dollar received.

YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not
involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home,
store or
office. This is the EASIEST marketing plan anywhere! It is simply order
filling by e-mail! The product is informational and instructional
material,
keys to the secrets for everyone on how to open the doors to the magic
world
of E-COMMERCE, the information highway, the wave of the future !

PLAN SUMMARY:

(1) You order the 4 reports listed below ($5 each) They come to you by
e-mail.

(2)  Save a copy of this entire letter and put your name after Report #1
and
move the other names down.

(3)  Via the internet, access Yahoo.com or any of the other major search

engines to locate hundreds of bulk e-mail service companies (search for
bulk
email) and have them send 25,000  50,000 emails for you about $49+.

(4)  Orders will come to you by postal mail simply e-mail them the
Report they ordered. Let me ask you  isn’t this about as easy as it
gets?

By the way there are over 50 MILLION e-mail address with millions more
joining the internet each year so don’t worry about running out or
saturation. People are used to seeing and hearing the same
advertisements every day on radio/TV. How many times have you received
the same pizza flyers on your door? Then one day you are hungry for
pizza
and order one. Same thing with this letter. I received this letter many
times  then one day I decided it was time to try it.

YOU CAN START TODAY UST DO THESE EASY STEPS: STEP #1 ORDER THE FOUR
REPORTS

Order the four reports shown on the list below (you can’t sell them if
you don’t order them).  For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME &
NUMBER
OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME &
RETURN
ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears on the
list
next to the report.MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN
CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! Within a few days you will receive, by e-mail

each of the four reports.Save them on your computer so you can send them
to
the 1,000’s of people who will  order them from you.

STEP #2. ADD YOUR MAILING ADDRESS TO THIS LETTER

a. Look below for the listing of the four reports.
b. After you’ve ordered the four reports, delete the name and address
under REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle.
c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4.
d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3.
e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2.
f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure
you

COPY ALL INFORMATION, every name and address, ACCURATELY!

STEP #3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names,
and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to these instructions. Now
you
are ready to use this entire e-mail to send by e-mail to prospects.

Report #1 will tell you how to download bulk email software and email
address so you can send it out to thousands of people while you sleep!
Remember that 50,000+ new people are joining the internet every month!
Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing ( surely you can

afford $20 and initial bulk mailing cost). You obviously already have a
computer and an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE! There are two
primary methods of building your downline: METHOD #1: SENDING BULK
E-MAIL
let’s say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and
we’ll
assume you and all those involved email out only 2,000 programs each.
Let’s
also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. The response
could be
much better. Also, many people will email out thousands of thousands of
programs instead of 2,000 (Why stop at 2000?) But continuing with this
example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is

only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out
2,000
programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people
respond
and order REPORT #2.Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total
of
200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those
1,000 send out 2,000  programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5%
response
to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That’s 10,000 $5 bills for you.
CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5000 +
$50,000
for a total of $55,550!!!

REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL
TO
WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A
MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS
INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more!

METHOD #2 PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET Advertising on the internet
is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to
advertise. Let’s say you decide to start small to see how well it works.

Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first
level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the Internet will EASILY get a
larger
response). Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets only
10
downline members. Look how this small number accumulates to achieve the
STAGGERING results below:

1St level  your first 10 send you $5........................$50
2nd level  10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)............$500
3rd level  10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)......$5,000
4th level 10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000)..$50,000
$$$$$$ THIS TOTALS
------------------------------------------------55,5550
$$$$$

AMAZING ISN’T IT Remember friends, this assumes that the people who
participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would
happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100’s of
participants and many will continue to work this program, sending out
programs WITH YOUR NAME ON THEM for years! THINK ABOUT IT!
People are going to get emails about this plan from you or somebody else
and
many will work this plan  the question is Don’t you want your name to be
on
the emails they will send out?

*** DON’T MISS OUT !!!***
***JUST TRY IT ONCE !!!***
***SEE WHAT HAPPENS !!!***
***YOU'LL BE AMAZED !!!***

ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that
the e-mail THEY send out with YOUR name and address on it will be prompt

because they can’t advertise until they receive the report!

GET STARTED TODAY: PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THE FOUR REPORTS NOW. Note:--
ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS NOT
ACCEPTED.
Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in two sheets of paper.
On
one of those sheets write:

(a) the number & name of the report you are ordering
(b) your e-mail address, and
(c) your name & postal address.

REPORT #1b The Insider’s Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet
ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:

NICK NICHOLAS
473 MICHIGAN ST
ST.PAUL, MN 55102

NOTE: I and every member below are dedicated at helping you with this
program so it will work for you also. TRY US!

REPORT #2 The Insider’s Guide to Sending Bulk E-Mail on the Internet
ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:

DIANE COLON
1811 TAMARIND AVE # 206
LOS ANGELES, CA. 90028

REPORT #3 The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet
ORDER REPORT #3 FROM:

MELISSA HOGENMILLER
3709 MONHEIM ROAD
CONOVER, WI 54519

REPORT #4 How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel
Marketing and the Internet
ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:

CATHY BARROW
10 SYCAMORE STREET
CONWAY, SC 29527

*************TIPS FOR SUCCESS***************
TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the
directions accurately.  Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you
will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you
receive a $5 order you MUST send out the requested product/report.
It is required for this to be a legal business and they need the
reports to send out their letter (with your name on them).

--ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. Be
patient and persistent with this program- If you follow the
instructions exactly results WILL FOLLOW. $$$$

************ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ***************

Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don’t receive
20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or
sending
e-mail until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at
least 100 orders for REPORT #2. If you don’t continue advertising or
sending
e-mail until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for
REPORT
#2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and
the
cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER:  Every
time
your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a
DIFFERENT
report. You can KEEP TRACK of your  PROGRESS by watching which report
people
are ordering from you. To generate more income, simply send another
batch of
e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There
is
no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you
make
your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program.
Please
answer one question:

ARE YOU HAPPY WITH YOUR PRESENT INCOME OR JOB?

1. If the answer is no, then please look at the following facts about
this super simple MLM program: NO face to face selling, NO meetings, NO
inventory! NO Telephone calls, NO big cost to start! Nothing to learn,
No skills needed! (Surely you know how to send email?)

2. No equipment to buy you already have a computer and internet
connection so you have everything you need to fill orders!

3. You are selling a product which does NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE OR
SHIP! (Email copies of the reports are FREE!)

4. All of your customers pay you in CASH! This program will change your
LIFE  FOREEVER!! Look at the potential for you to be able to quit your
job and live a life of luxury you could only dream about! Imagine
getting out of debt and buying the car and home of your dreams and
being able to work a super-high paying leisurely easy business from
home!

$$$ FINALLY MAKE SOME DREAMS COME TRUE! $$$ ACT NOW!
Take your first step toward achieving financial independence.  Order
the reports and follow the program outlined above __ SUCCESS will be
your reward.

Thank you for your time and consideration. PLEASE NOT: If you need
help with starting a business, registering a business name, learning
now income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the
Small Business Administration  (A Federal Agency) 1-800-827-5722
for free help and answers to questions. Also the Internal Revenue
Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about
business tax requirements. Your earnings are highly dependent on
your activities and advertising. The information contained on this
site and in the report constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied.
In the event that it is determined that this site or report
constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. The
earnings amounts listed on this site and in the report are estimates
only. If you have any questions of the legality of this program,
contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices,
Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection in
Washington DC.

Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US Congress this
letter cannot be considered spam as long as the sender includes
contact information and a method of removal. This is a one time
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  | Should the following para be deleted from section 11 too ?

Thanks, and yes, of course it should.   New version coming soon
(with just that one change).

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I would phrase it more tentatively.

"If, in the advent of ...

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Whilst updating the FTP/SSL draft (soon to be
draft-murray-auth-ftp-sl-06.txt) I noticed that the HOST command has been
removed from the subject doc.

Should the following para be deleted from section 11 too ?

"With the introduction of virtual hosts to FTP, and the possible
accompanying multiple authentication environments, server
implementors will need to take some care to ensure that integrity is
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  | I would phrase it more tentatively.
  | 
  | "If, in the advent of ...

No, not needed at all, that came with the HOST text when it was
there, and should accompany that text to any final resting place
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In the preamble to the draft, the statement is made:

   Much implemented, but long undocumented, mechanisms to permit
   restarts of interrupted data transfers in STREAM mode, are also
   included here.

Please forgive my ignorance, but are there commercial-grade implementations
of FTP which support restarts of stream-mode transfers?  The only
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  | Please forgive my ignorance, but are there commercial-grade implementations
  | of FTP which support restarts of stream-mode transfers?

I don't know what counts as "commercial grade", but I think just
about every unix server does this (it was in the reference implementation
15 years ago or so...).

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At 08:29 AM 9/20/2000, Robert Elz wrote:
>     Date:        Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:50:48 -0500
>     From:        "Kinser, Prentice H." 
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>   | Please forgive my ignorance, but are there commercial-grade 
> implementations
>   | of FTP which support restarts of stream-mode transfers?
>
>I don't know what counts as "commercial grade", but I think just
>about every unix server does this (it was in the reference implementation
>15 years ago or so...).

Most Windows FTP servers seem to claim to support this.  I only know of one 
that _correctly_ supports it ;-)

Being serious for a moment, though, I've run into many, many FTP servers 
and clients that support stream-mode REST.  It's such an obvious 
implementation that it might even have spread without anyone bothering to 
let on exactly how it's implemented.

The trick is more in finding a server that _doesn't_ support stream-mode REST.

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Is there any chance that we will see HOST get defined in its own draft any
time soon?

Paul Ford-Hutchinson asked:

>| Should the following para be deleted from section 11 too ?

>| "With the introduction of virtual hosts to FTP, and the
>| possible accompanying multiple authentication environments,
>| server implementors will need to take some care to ensure
>| that integrity is maintained."

Robert Elz responded:

> Thanks, and yes, of course it should.

..and, in a later message:

> that came with the HOST text when it was there, and should
> accompany that text to any final resting place it finds for
> itself...

This does agree with ftpext-mlst-09 (Dec 1999), which stated:

# The HOST command has been removed to a draft of its own,

This followed a lot of to and fro discussions on the list concerning HOST vs
Overloaded USER.  Alan Jones put it well (Oct 1999):

> A poorly-designed HOST command slipped into a much-wanted
> MLST draft might make it to RFC status simply because we
> want to see MLST that much sooner.  Separated into its own
> document, it will need to stand on its own to make it to RFC
> status.  As others have pointed out, the HOST command has not
> yet been completely discussed here, and it is perhaps immature
> or incomplete.  As such, I would hate to see a poorer version
> implemented because of a wish to get MLST out.

However, Robert's phrasing ("resting place") sounds rather ominous.

I want to see HOST get properly defined because of its importance to using
the AUTH comand for securing FTP with TLS.

From: draft-murray-auth-ftp-ssl-05.txt

# Although it is entirely an implementation decision, it is
# recommended that certificates used for server authentication of
# the TLS session contain the server identification information
# in a similar manner to those used for http servers.  (i.e.
# SubjectCommonName or SubjectAltName of type dNSName).

# For servers that support the 'HOST' extension defined in [FTP-
# EXT], this may mean that the server has to refuse the 'AUTH'
# command until a 'HOST' command has been issued, or else present
# the credentials for a default DNS name (which may be flagged as
# an exception by the connecting client to the user).

ie, a multi-homed server cannot maintain a certificate store per virtual
server unless the client can use HOST to specify which host it wishes to
connect to.  Allowing for virtual servers by overloading the USER command
will not help here.

As things stand, ftp-ssl-06 will remove all references to HOST.

So what can we do to advance discussion of HOST?


Mark Symons
Ipswitch, Inc
Augusta, GA














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  | Is there any chance that we will see HOST get defined in its own
  | draft any time soon?
 
Someone needs to volunteer to be its editor... (I don't have the time
at the minute).    I can send the text that was in mlst-NN that related
to the HOST command for someone to use as a starting point though.

There's also the question of whether this WG will survive long enough to
complete it, which should not be assumed with discussions with the ADs etc.

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Mark Symons  wrote:
>I want to see HOST get properly defined because of its importance to using
>the AUTH comand for securing FTP with TLS.


While I haven't read ftp-ssl-06, on the TLS working group we have what looks
like a consensus on extending the TLS ClientHello to include extensions.
Included in that proposal is an extension for a client to provide a dns name
in the client hello, with the specific purpose of allowing the server to
choose an appropriate certificate.

I haven't written up the final proposed changes to the next TLS RFC yet, but
I will do that over the next week or so.

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Sounds like a good idea, but I guess I have the concern that this won't
actually solve the problem we have today.  With SSL so firmly established,
I have not seen any mass migration toward TLS and so I am not convinced
that adding an extension to an update to TLS will solve the problem in
anything but the long term.

For this reason - I still feel that the HOST command has some mileage.

Cheers,
Paul

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Mark Symons  wrote:
>I want to see HOST get properly defined because of its importance to
using
>the AUTH comand for securing FTP with TLS.


While I haven't read ftp-ssl-06, on the TLS working group we have what
looks
like a consensus on extending the TLS ClientHello to include extensions.
Included in that proposal is an extension for a client to provide a dns
name
in the client hello, with the specific purpose of allowing the server to
choose an appropriate certificate.

I haven't written up the final proposed changes to the next TLS RFC yet,
but
I will do that over the next week or so.

Jan Mikkelsen









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OK.  Here's what I have so far.

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>     Date:        Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:24:16 -0500
>     From:        "Mark Symons" 
>     Message-ID:
<001001c02411$59604820$de9568d8@wks222.augusta.ipswitch.com>
>
>   | Is there any chance that we will see HOST get defined in its own
>   | draft any time soon?
>
> Someone needs to volunteer to be its editor... (I don't have the time
> at the minute).    I can send the text that was in mlst-NN that related
> to the HOST command for someone to use as a starting point though.
>
> There's also the question of whether this WG will survive long enough to
> complete it, which should not be assumed with discussions with the ADs
etc.
>
> kre
>
>
>

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FTPEXT Working Group                                         G. Lundberg
Internet Draft                                 WU-FTPD Development Group
Updates: RFC 959                                         September, 2000

                            FTP HOST Command

                     draft-ietf-ftpext-host-01.txt
                          Expires: March, 2001

Status of this Memo

   This document is an Internet-Draft and is in full conformance with
   all provisions of Section 10 of RFC2026.

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Copyright Notice

   Copyright (C) The Internet Society, 2000. All Rights Reserved.

Abstract

   This document describes the HOST command for the File Transfer
   Protocol [RFC959].

   The HOST command provides the FTP with name-based virtual hosting
   similar to that found in the Hypertext Transfer Protocol [RFC2616].
   More importantly, it provides a critical authentication element that
   has been missing from the FTP since its inception.













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Table of Contents

         Abstract......................................................1
   1.    Introduction..................................................3
   1.1.     Goals......................................................4
   1.2.     Alternatives...............................................4
   2.    Document Conventions..........................................6
   3.    HOST Command..................................................6
   3.1.     Syntax.....................................................6
   3.2.     Responses..................................................6
   4.    Security Considerations.......................................8
   5.    References....................................................8
         Acknowledgements..............................................9
         Author's Address..............................................9
         Notices.......................................................9
         Full Copyright Statement.....................................10







































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1. Introduction

   A problem with the FTP is the lack of any means to inform the server
   of which hosted site name to use when interpreting various commands.
   If this information cannot be inferred from out-of-band data, it may
   prevent the server's taking appropriate action for the particular
   hosted site. What is needed is a means whereby the client may
   communicate the required information to the server.

   Currently, to obtain this information, the server must examine the
   address used for the control connection to determine which hosted
   site is being accessed. This depends upon both the information being
   available and a unique relationship between addresses and hosted
   sites.

   Hosting additional sites depends upon sufficient address space to
   maintain the one-to-one relationship. Much has been said about the
   growing scarcity of IPv4 Internet addresses. Recently, [ARIN] imposed
   severe restrictions upon certain IPv4 Internet address allocations.
   The impending deployment of IPv6 (see [IANA]) provides sufficient
   address space to continue using unique addresses for each hosted FTP
   site. These facts are often used as arguments, both for and against,
   name-based services. Such statements are misleading. They miss an
   essential point: the controlling factor in address allocation is not
   the total size of the Internet address pool. Even with the advent of
   IPv6, individual sites and networks will be continue to be subject to
   the address allocation rules of their regional authority, upstream
   providers, hosting service providers and local policy. The minimum
   largest-allocable block is a single address. Any presumption that
   more addresses are available is potentially false. Protocols, such as
   the FTP, which depend upon readily available addresses to host
   multiple sites on a single server or network run the risk of becoming
   unusable.

   Technologies such as Network Address Translation [RFC1631] provide
   network designers with a means to map Internet addresses to other
   addresses, potentially obscuring or even loosing the required one-to-
   one relationship. If such technologies are in place, unless care is
   taken to preserve the necessary information, in-band communication is
   the only reliable method for the client to inform the server of the
   hosted site being accessed.

   The Domain Name System [RFC1034, RFC1035] allows any number of host
   names to be directed to the same Internet address. Many site
   administrators make use of this feature to avoid the necessity of
   permanently assigning Internet addresses to hosts, possibly requiring
   reconfiguration of firewalls or routers, or depleting an address
   allocation. By using hostnames rather than Internet addresses, new
   sites may be added simply by ensuring the server is properly
   prepared, then adding appropriate information into the Domain Name
   System. Using this scheme, any number of sites may be hosted on a
   single server. Unfortunately, only the client knows which is being
   accessed. There is no means for the server to infer this information
   from out-of-band data.

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1.1. Goals

   Since only the client has the required information, any change will
   involve some modification of the client implementation. Any proposed
   correction to the FTP must meet the following goals:

    * Name-based hosting.

      The client must provide the server with the name of the hosted
      site being accessed. This information must be communicated in-
      band. The protocol cannot rely upon the ability to infer it from
      out-of-band information.

    * Name-based authentication and authorization.

      Clients should provide the hosted site name information prior to
      authentication.

      Administrators need control over which users may access specific
      services and the rights granted those users. Host name information
      communicated from the client to the server should be presented as
      part of the login sequence. The protocol should allow servers to
      adjust to authorization and authentication requirements based upon
      the host name provided by the client. For example, a given
      USER/PASS token pair may be considered valid when given in the
      context of one hosted site name, but invalid in others.

    * Interoperability with existing implementations.

      The protocol must realize that not all servers and clients will
      support the scheme. Whenever possible non-conforming clients
      should be able to use conforming servers and non-conforming
      servers should remain usable by conforming clients. Specifically,
      changes to the syntax or semantics of existing commands should be
      minimized.

    * Minimum impact upon performance.

      Network overhead should be minimized. The requirements of the
      protocol should not greatly increase the effort required by either
      the client or the server to process a command (particularly in
      relation to authentication).

    * Flexibility of implementation.

      The protocol should not force design choices upon the implementers
      unless necessary.

1.2. Alternatives

   Two basic schemes have been proposed. While the bulk of this document
   specifies one of those, this section describes the alternative and
   discusses why it was not chosen.


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   One recurring suggestion has been a change to the structure or
   interpretation of URLs. For instance, the URL

      ftp://ftp.example.com/pub/sample.txt

   might be interpreted as if it read

      ftp://ftp.example.com/ftp.example.com/pub/sample.txt

   thus providing the name of the site in the request.

   Mappings such as this could be implemented on the server with minimal
   impact, possibly simply by changing the site layout, requiring little
   or no change in the server's FTP implementation. In fact, a number of
   sites have taken this approach, and a case could be made for it being
   a best current practice. (If nothing else, it does make the best of a
   bad situation.) While such solutions satisfy the goal of providing
   the hosted site name, they fail to satisfy all other goals.

   The hosted site name is not available during initial authentication.
   This implies that either all users must be acceptable to all hosted
   sites, or servers must delay authentication and perform it on a by-
   command basis. Both alternatives are, at best, unpalatable.

   Furthermore, the approach only addresses a specific type of client
   implementation: web browsers. While, admittedly, this probably
   represents the largest class of client software currently deployed,
   it does not cover the full range of possible clients. Server
   implementations may require different authentication tokens based
   upon the hosted site being accessed. When viewed as a URL, where each
   session consists of a single file access command, this does not
   present too much of a problem. The FTP, however, is session based.
   Users of legacy clients would be required to remember the new
   semantics and specify the hosted site name on the appropriate
   commands, rendering the protocol cumbersome and error-prone for those
   users.

   Proposals such as given above do not minimize impact upon the
   protocol; in fact, they appear to maximize it. The syntax and
   semantics of a number of commands (and some replies) would require
   modification. The FTP currently does not specify the syntax for file
   or directory names: that is left to local convention. These
   proposals, however, require some form of syntactic analysis of names
   so that the hosted site name may be recognized. Semantically, RNFR
   and RNTO present a special problem; when sites are implemented as
   directories, should one be allowed to rename between sites?

   Finally, these schemes may have a large impact upon performance. In
   the context of an FTP session, they appear to require caching
   authentication tokens and re-evaluating them with each command. For
   cases where authentication information changes with each use (such as
   with one-time password schemes [RFC2289]) these tokens may no longer
   even be valid. The only reasonable recovery is to force early
   termination of each session so new tokens may be provided. (Notice

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   this could entirely preclude the use of RNFR and RNTO.)  Each session
   potentially requires human intervention to provide the necessary
   information, potentially rendering automata non-secure or unusable.

2. Document Conventions

   This document makes use of the document conventions defined in BCP14
   [RFC2119]. That provides the interpretation of some capitalized words
   like MUST, SHOULD, etc.

   Terms defined in [RFC959] will be used here as defined there. These
   include ASCII, reply, server-FTP process, user-FTP process, server-
   PI, user-PI, and user.

   The required syntax is defined using the Augmented BNF defined in
   [RCC2234]. Some general ABNF definitions are required throughout the
   document. Those will be defined later in this section. At first
   reading, it may be wise to simply recall that these definitions exist
   here, and skip to the next section.

3. HOST Command

3.1. Syntax

3.2. Responses

3.3. State Diagrams

   The FTP specification presents state diagrams for a very simple
   minded FTP implementation.  The HOST command changes the Login
   diagram.

   For each command there are three possible outcomes: success (S),
   failure (F), and error (E).  In the state diagram, there are two
   special symbols: begin (B), and "wait for reply" (W).




















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   The following state diagram shows the HOST Login sequence.

                -----
               |     |
               |   1 |
               |     |
                -->+---+------------------
   +---+ HOST   -->+---+------------------
   | B |---------->| W | 2                |
   +---+           +---+------            |
                    | |       |           |
                   3| |4,5    |           |
      -----------   -------------      |
     |                     |     |     |
     |                     |     |     V
     |             ------------------->o
     |           1|        |     |     |
     V            |   2    V     |     |
   +---+ USER   +---+----->o     |     |
   |   |------->| W | 4,5  |     V     |
   +---+        +---+----------->o     |
                  |        |     |     |
                 3|        |     |     |
      ------------         |     |     |
     |                     |     |     V
     |             ------------------->o
     |           1|        |     |     |
     V            |   2    |     |     |
   +---+ PASS   +---+----->o     |     |
   |   |------->| W | 4,5  |     V     |
   +---+        +---+------------o     |
                  |        |     |     |
                 3|        |     |     |
      ------------         |     |     |
     |                     |     |     V
     |             ------------------->o
     |         1,3|        |     |     |
     V            |   2    |     |     |
   +---+ ACCT   +---+----->o     |     |
   |   |------->| W | 4,5  |     V     |
   +---+        +---+----------->o     |
                           |     |     |
                           V     V     V
                         +---+ +---+ +---+
                         | S | | F | | E |
                         +---+ +---+ +---+









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3.4. Typical Scenario

3.5. Interaction with AUTH

3.6. Interaction with FEAT

3.7. Interaction with LANG

3.8.

4. Security Considerations

   The HOST command presents no more risk than that already present in
   the USER, PASS and ACCT commands. The transmission of host names in
   clear-text could be used in traffic analysis. Where this poses an
   unacceptable risk, the control connection should be encrypted through
   transport layer security (the specifications of which are currently
   under development, see [FTPEXT]) or through the FTP Security
   Extensions (see Section 3.5 and [RFC2228]).

5. References

   [RFC959]    J. Postel and J. Reynolds, "File Transfer Protocol
               (FTP)", STD 9, RFC 959, October 1985

   [RFC1034]   P. Mockapetris, "Domain names - concepts and facilities",
               STD 13, RFC 1034, November 1987

   [RFC1035]   P. Mockapetris, "Domain names - implementation and
               specification", STD 13, RFC 1035, November 1987

   [RFC1631]   K. Egevang and P. Francis, "Network Address Translator",
               RFC 1631, May 1994

   [RFC2119]   S. Bradner, "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate
               Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, March 1997

   [RFC2228]   M. Horowitz and S. Lunt, "FTP Security Extensions", RFC
               2228, October 1997

   [RFC2234]   D. Crocker and P. Overell, "Augmented BNF for Syntax
               Specifications: ABNF", RFC 2234, November 1997

   [RFC2289]   N. Haller, C. Metz, P. Nesser and M. Straw, "A One-Time
               Password System", RFC 2289, February 1998

   [RFC2389]   P. Hethmon and R. Elz, "Feature negotiation mechanism for
               the File Transfer Protocol", RFC 2389, August 1998

   [RFC2616]   R. Fielding, J. Gettys, J. Mogul, H. Frystyk, L.
               Masinter, P. Leach and T. Berners-Lee, "Hypertext
               Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1", RFC 2068, June 1999



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   [RFC2640]   B. Curtin, "Internationalization of the File Transfer
               Protocol", RFC 2640, July 1999

   [ARIN]      ARIN, "POLICY CHANGES RESULTING FROM ARIN V",
               http://www.arin.net/announcements/policy_changes.html,
               April 2000

   [IANA]      J. Elliott, "Delegation of IPv6 address space",
               http://www.iana.org/ipaddress/ipv6-announcement.txt, July
               1999

   [FTPEXT]    P. Ford-Hutchinson, M. Carpenter, T. Hudson, E. Murray
               and V. Wiegand, "Securing FTP with TLS", Internet Draft,
               January 2000

Acknowledgements

   This protocol extension was developed in the FTPEXT Working Group of
   the IETF, and the members of that group are all acknowledged as
   contributors.

Author's Address

   Gregory A Lundberg
   WU-FTPD Development Group
   1441 Elmdale Drive
   Dayton, OH 45409-1615

   Phone:   +1 937-299-7653
   Fax:     +1 937-299-8743
   EMail:   lundberg@wu-ftpd.org

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> OK.  Here's what I have so far.

>                             FTP HOST Command
>
>                      draft-ietf-ftpext-host-01.txt
>                           Expires: March, 2001

Looks like a great starting point.

The HOST command was removed from mlst-09.  At the end of this message I
attach the relevent HOST sections from mlst-08.  I have not even removed the
original section numbering.  This fills in the gaps in
draft-ietf-ftpext-host-01.txt, such as Syntax and Responses.  The State
Diagram is also slightly different.

The mlst-08 HOST definition makes no reference to DNS SRV records.  I think
that they should be covered, perhaps also in the "Alternatives" section, as
they provide an alternate route for running muliple FTP hosts on a single IP
address.

Mark Symons
Ipswitch, Inc
Augusta, GA


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6.1. The HOST command

   A new command "HOST" is added to the FTP command set to allow
   server-FTP process to determine to which of possibly many virtual
   hosts the client wishes to connect.  This command is intended to be
   issued before the user is authenticated, allowing the authentication
   scheme, and set of legal users, to be dependent upon the virtual host
   chosen.  Server-FTP processes may, if they desire, permit the HOST
   command to be issued after the user has been authenticated, or may
   treat that as an erroneous sequence of commands.  The behavior of the
   server-FTP process which does allow late HOST commands is undefined.
   One reasonable interpretation would be for the user-PI to be returned
   to the state that existed after the TCP connection was first
   established, before user authentication.

   Servers should note that the response to the HOST command is a
   sensible time to send their "welcome" message.  This allows the
   message to be personalized for any virtual hosts that are supported,
   and also allows the client to have determined supported languages, or
   representations, for the message, and other messages, via the FEAT
   response, and selected an appropriate one via the LANG command.  See
   [7] for more information.

6.2. Syntax of the HOST command

   The HOST command is defined as follows.

        host-command     = "Host" SP hostname CRLF
        hostname         = 1*DNCHAR 1*( "." 1*DNCHAR ) [ "." ]
        DNCHAR           = ALPHA / DIGIT / "-" / "_" / "$" /
                           "!" / "%" / "[" / "]" / ":"
        host-response    = host-ok / error-response
        host-ok          = "220" [ SP *TCHAR ] CRLF

   As with all FTP commands, the "host" command word is case
   independent, and may be specified in any character case desired.

   The "hostname" given as a parameter specifies the virtual host to
   which access is desired.  It should normally be the same name that
   was used to obtain the IP address to which the FTP control connection
   was made, after any client conversions to convert an abbreviated or
   local alias to a complete (fully qualified) domain name, but before
   resolving a DNS alias (owner of a CNAME resource record) to its
   canonical name.

   If the client was given a network literal address, and consequently
   was not required to derive it from a hostname, it should send the
   HOST command with the network address, as specified to it, enclosed
   in brackets (after eliminating any syntax, which might also be
   brackets, but is not required to be, from which the server deduced
   that a literal address had been specified.) That is, for example

                         HOST [10.1.2.3]

   should be sent if the client had been instructed to connect to
   "10.1.2.3", or "[10.1.2.3]", or perhaps even IPv4:10.1.2.3.  The
   method of indicating to a client that a literal address is to be used
   is beyond the scope of this specification.

   The parameter is otherwise to be treated as a "complete domain name",
   as that term is defined in section 3.1 of RFC 1034 [10].  That
   implies that the name is to be treated as a case independent string,
   in that upper case ASCII characters are to be treated as equivalent
   to the corresponding lower case ASCII characters, but otherwise
   preserved as given.  It also implies some limits on the length of the
   parameter and of the components that create its internal structure.
   Those limits are not altered in any way here.

   RFC 1034 imposes no other restrictions upon what kinds of names can
   be stored in the DNS.  Nor does RFC 1035.  This specification,
   however, allows only a restricted set of names for the purposes of
   the HOST command.  Those restrictions can be inferred from the ABNF
   grammar given for the "hostname".

6.3. HOST command semantics

   Upon receiving the HOST command, before authenticating the user-PI, a
   server-FTP process should validate that the hostname given represents
   a valid virtual host for that server, and if so, establish the
   appropriate environment for that virtual host.  The meaning of that
   is not specified here, and may range from doing nothing at all, or
   performing a simple change of working directory, to much more
   elaborate state changes, as required.

   If the hostname specified is unknown at the server, or if the server
   is otherwise unwilling to treat the particular connection as a
   connection to the hostname specified, the server will respond with a
   504 reply.

   Note: servers may require that the name specified is in some sense
   equivalent to the particular network address that was used to reach
   the server.

   If the hostname specified would normally be acceptable, but for any
   reason is temporarily unavailable, the server SHOULD reply to the
   HOST command with a 434 reply.

   The "220" reply code for the HOST command is the same as the code
   used on the initial connection established "welcome" message.  This
   is done deliberately so as to allow the implementation to implement
   the front end FTP server as a wrapper which simply waits for the HOST
   command, and then invokes an older, RFC959 compliant, server in the
   appropriate environment for the particular hostname received.

6.3.1. The REIN command

   As specified in [3], the REIN command returns the state of the
   connection to that it was immediately after the transport connection
   was opened.  That is not changed here.  The effect of a HOST command
   will be lost if a REIN command is performed, a new HOST command must
   be issued.

   Implementors of user-FTP should be aware that server-FTP
   implementations which implement the HOST command as a wrapper around
   older implementations will be unable to correctly implement the REIN
   command.  In such an implementation, REIN will typically return the
   server-FTP to the state that existed immediately after the HOST
   command was issued, instead of to the state immediately after the
   connection was opened.

6.3.2. User-PI usage of HOST

   A user-PI that conforms to this specification, MUST send the HOST
   command after opening the transport connection, or after any REIN
   command, before attempting to authenticate the user with the USER
   command.

   The following state diagram shows a typical sequence of flow of
   control, where the "B" (begin) state is assumed to occur after the
   transport connection has opened, or a REIN command has succeeded.
   Other commands (such as FEAT [6]) which require no authentication may
   have intervened.  This diagram is modeled upon (and largely borrowed
   from) the similar diagram in section 6 of [3].

   In this diagram, a three digit reply indicates that precise server
   reply code, a single digit on a reply path indicates any server reply
   beginning with that digit, other than any three digit replies that
   might take another path.




              +---+   HOST    +---+ 1,3,5
              | B |---------->| W |-----------------
              +---+           +---+                 |
                               | |                  |
                     2,500,502 | | 4,501,503,504    |
                 --------------   -------------     |
                |                              |    |
                V                   1          |    V
              +---+   USER    +---+-------------->+---+
              |   |---------->| W | 2       ----->| E |
              +---+           +---+------  |  --->+---+
                               | |       | | | |
                             3 | | 4,5   | | | |
                 --------------   -----  | | | |
                |                      | | | | |
                |                      | | | | |
                |                 ---------  | |
                |               1|     | |   | |
                V                |     | |   | |
              +---+   PASS    +---+ 2  |  ------->+---+
              |   |---------->| W |-------------->| S |
              +---+           +---+   ----------->+---+
                               | |   | |     | |
                             3 | |4,5| |     | |
                 --------------   --------   | |
                |                    | |  |  |  ----
                |                    | |  |  |      |
                |                 -----------       |
                |             1,3|   | |  |         |
                V                |  2| |  |         V
              +---+   ACCT    +---+--  |   ------>+---+
              |   |---------->| W | 4,5 --------->| F |
              +---+           +---+-------------->+---+

6.4. HOST command errors

   The server-PI shall reply with a 500 or 502 reply if the HOST command
   is unrecognized or unimplemented.  A 503 reply may be sent if the
   HOST command is given after a previous HOST command, or after a user
   has been authenticated.  Alternately, the server may accept the
   command at such a time, with server defined behavior.  A 501 reply
   should be sent if the hostname given is syntactically invalid, and a
   504 reply if a syntactically valid hostname is not a valid virtual
   host name for the server.

   In all such cases the server-FTP process should act as if no HOST
   command had been given.

   A user-PI receiving a 500 or 502 reply should assume that the
   server-PI does not implement the HOST command style virtual server.
   It may then proceed to login as if the HOST command had succeeded,
   and perhaps, attempt a CWD command to the hostname after
   authenticating the user.

   A user-PI receiving some other error reply should assume that the
   virtual HOST is unavailable, and terminate communications.

   A server-PI that receives a USER command, beginning the
   authentication sequence, without having received a HOST command
   SHOULD NOT reject the USER command.  Clients conforming to earlier
   FTP specifications do not send HOST commands.  In this case the
   server may act as if some default virtual host had been explicitly
   selected, or may enter an environment different from that of all
   supported virtual hosts, perhaps one in which a union of all
   available accounts exists, and which presents a NVFS which appears to
   contain sub-directories containing the NVFS for all virtual hosts
   supported.

6.5. FEAT response for HOST command

   A server-FTP process that supports the host command, and virtual FTP
   servers, MUST include in the response to the FEAT command [6], a
   feature line indicating that the HOST command is supported.  This
   line should contain the single word "HOST".  This MAY be sent in
   upper or lower case, or a mixture of both (it is case insensitive)
   but SHOULD be transmitted in upper case only.  That is, the response
   SHOULD be

        C> Feat
        S> 211- 
        S>  ...
        S>  HOST
        S>  ...
        S> 211 End

   The ellipses indicate place holders where other features may be
   included, and are not required.  The one space indentation of the
   feature lines is mandatory [6].









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> From: Mark Symons 
> To: FTPEXT Working Group 
> Subject: Ftp-WG: ftpext-host-01.txt
> Date: 22 September 2000 22:38
> 
> > OK.  Here's what I have so far.
> 
> >                             FTP HOST Command
> >
> >                      draft-ietf-ftpext-host-01.txt
> >                           Expires: March, 2001
> 
> Looks like a great starting point.
> 
> The HOST command was removed from mlst-09.  At the end of this message I
> attach the relevent HOST sections from mlst-08.  I have not even removed
the
> original section numbering.  This fills in the gaps in
> draft-ietf-ftpext-host-01.txt, such as Syntax and Responses.  The State
> Diagram is also slightly different.
> 
> The mlst-08 HOST definition makes no reference to DNS SRV records.  I
think
> that they should be covered, perhaps also in the "Alternatives" section,
as
> they provide an alternate route for running muliple FTP hosts on a single
IP
> address.
> 
> Mark Symons
> Ipswitch, Inc
> Augusta, GA
> 
> 
> ================
> 
> 
> 
> 6.1. The HOST command
> 
>    A new command "HOST" is added to the FTP command set to allow
>    server-FTP process to determine to which of possibly many virtual
>    hosts the client wishes to connect.  This command is intended to be
>    issued before the user is authenticated, allowing the authentication
>    scheme, and set of legal users, to be dependent upon the virtual host
>    chosen.  Server-FTP processes may, if they desire, permit the HOST
>    command to be issued after the user has been authenticated, or may
>    treat that as an erroneous sequence of commands.  The behavior of the
>    server-FTP process which does allow late HOST commands is undefined.
>    One reasonable interpretation would be for the user-PI to be returned
>    to the state that existed after the TCP connection was first
>    established, before user authentication.
> 
>    Servers should note that the response to the HOST command is a
>    sensible time to send their "welcome" message.  This allows the
>    message to be personalized for any virtual hosts that are supported,
>    and also allows the client to have determined supported languages, or
>    representations, for the message, and other messages, via the FEAT
>    response, and selected an appropriate one via the LANG command.  See
>    [7] for more information.
> 
> 6.2. Syntax of the HOST command
> 
>    The HOST command is defined as follows.
> 
>         host-command     = "Host" SP hostname CRLF
>         hostname         = 1*DNCHAR 1*( "." 1*DNCHAR ) [ "." ]
>         DNCHAR           = ALPHA / DIGIT / "-" / "_" / "$" /
>                            "!" / "%" / "[" / "]" / ":"
>         host-response    = host-ok / error-response
>         host-ok          = "220" [ SP *TCHAR ] CRLF
> 
>    As with all FTP commands, the "host" command word is case
>    independent, and may be specified in any character case desired.
> 
>    The "hostname" given as a parameter specifies the virtual host to
>    which access is desired.  It should normally be the same name that
>    was used to obtain the IP address to which the FTP control connection
>    was made, after any client conversions to convert an abbreviated or
>    local alias to a complete (fully qualified) domain name, but before
>    resolving a DNS alias (owner of a CNAME resource record) to its
>    canonical name.
> 
>    If the client was given a network literal address, and consequently
>    was not required to derive it from a hostname, it should send the
>    HOST command with the network address, as specified to it, enclosed
>    in brackets (after eliminating any syntax, which might also be
>    brackets, but is not required to be, from which the server deduced
>    that a literal address had been specified.) That is, for example
> 
>                          HOST [10.1.2.3]
> 
>    should be sent if the client had been instructed to connect to
>    "10.1.2.3", or "[10.1.2.3]", or perhaps even IPv4:10.1.2.3.  The
>    method of indicating to a client that a literal address is to be used
>    is beyond the scope of this specification.
> 
>    The parameter is otherwise to be treated as a "complete domain name",
>    as that term is defined in section 3.1 of RFC 1034 [10].  That
>    implies that the name is to be treated as a case independent string,
>    in that upper case ASCII characters are to be treated as equivalent
>    to the corresponding lower case ASCII characters, but otherwise
>    preserved as given.  It also implies some limits on the length of the
>    parameter and of the components that create its internal structure.
>    Those limits are not altered in any way here.
> 
>    RFC 1034 imposes no other restrictions upon what kinds of names can
>    be stored in the DNS.  Nor does RFC 1035.  This specification,
>    however, allows only a restricted set of names for the purposes of
>    the HOST command.  Those restrictions can be inferred from the ABNF
>    grammar given for the "hostname".
> 
> 6.3. HOST command semantics
> 
>    Upon receiving the HOST command, before authenticating the user-PI, a
>    server-FTP process should validate that the hostname given represents
>    a valid virtual host for that server, and if so, establish the
>    appropriate environment for that virtual host.  The meaning of that
>    is not specified here, and may range from doing nothing at all, or
>    performing a simple change of working directory, to much more
>    elaborate state changes, as required.
> 
>    If the hostname specified is unknown at the server, or if the server
>    is otherwise unwilling to treat the particular connection as a
>    connection to the hostname specified, the server will respond with a
>    504 reply.
> 
>    Note: servers may require that the name specified is in some sense
>    equivalent to the particular network address that was used to reach
>    the server.
> 
>    If the hostname specified would normally be acceptable, but for any
>    reason is temporarily unavailable, the server SHOULD reply to the
>    HOST command with a 434 reply.
> 
>    The "220" reply code for the HOST command is the same as the code
>    used on the initial connection established "welcome" message.  This
>    is done deliberately so as to allow the implementation to implement
>    the front end FTP server as a wrapper which simply waits for the HOST
>    command, and then invokes an older, RFC959 compliant, server in the
>    appropriate environment for the particular hostname received.
> 
> 6.3.1. The REIN command
> 
>    As specified in [3], the REIN command returns the state of the
>    connection to that it was immediately after the transport connection
>    was opened.  That is not changed here.  The effect of a HOST command
>    will be lost if a REIN command is performed, a new HOST command must
>    be issued.
> 
>    Implementors of user-FTP should be aware that server-FTP
>    implementations which implement the HOST command as a wrapper around
>    older implementations will be unable to correctly implement the REIN
>    command.  In such an implementation, REIN will typically return the
>    server-FTP to the state that existed immediately after the HOST
>    command was issued, instead of to the state immediately after the
>    connection was opened.
> 
> 6.3.2. User-PI usage of HOST
> 
>    A user-PI that conforms to this specification, MUST send the HOST
>    command after opening the transport connection, or after any REIN
>    command, before attempting to authenticate the user with the USER
>    command.
> 
>    The following state diagram shows a typical sequence of flow of
>    control, where the "B" (begin) state is assumed to occur after the
>    transport connection has opened, or a REIN command has succeeded.
>    Other commands (such as FEAT [6]) which require no authentication may
>    have intervened.  This diagram is modeled upon (and largely borrowed
>    from) the similar diagram in section 6 of [3].
> 
>    In this diagram, a three digit reply indicates that precise server
>    reply code, a single digit on a reply path indicates any server reply
>    beginning with that digit, other than any three digit replies that
>    might take another path.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>               +---+   HOST    +---+ 1,3,5
>               | B |---------->| W |-----------------
>               +---+           +---+                 |
>                                | |                  |
>                      2,500,502 | | 4,501,503,504    |
>                  --------------   -------------     |
>                 |                              |    |
>                 V                   1          |    V
>               +---+   USER    +---+-------------->+---+
>               |   |---------->| W | 2       ----->| E |
>               +---+           +---+------  |  --->+---+
>                                | |       | | | |
>                              3 | | 4,5   | | | |
>                  --------------   -----  | | | |
>                 |                      | | | | |
>                 |                      | | | | |
>                 |                 ---------  | |
>                 |               1|     | |   | |
>                 V                |     | |   | |
>               +---+   PASS    +---+ 2  |  ------->+---+
>               |   |---------->| W |-------------->| S |
>               +---+           +---+   ----------->+---+
>                                | |   | |     | |
>                              3 | |4,5| |     | |
>                  --------------   --------   | |
>                 |                    | |  |  |  ----
>                 |                    | |  |  |      |
>                 |                 -----------       |
>                 |             1,3|   | |  |         |
>                 V                |  2| |  |         V
>               +---+   ACCT    +---+--  |   ------>+---+
>               |   |---------->| W | 4,5 --------->| F |
>               +---+           +---+-------------->+---+
> 
> 6.4. HOST command errors
> 
>    The server-PI shall reply with a 500 or 502 reply if the HOST command
>    is unrecognized or unimplemented.  A 503 reply may be sent if the
>    HOST command is given after a previous HOST command, or after a user
>    has been authenticated.  Alternately, the server may accept the
>    command at such a time, with server defined behavior.  A 501 reply
>    should be sent if the hostname given is syntactically invalid, and a
>    504 reply if a syntactically valid hostname is not a valid virtual
>    host name for the server.
> 
>    In all such cases the server-FTP process should act as if no HOST
>    command had been given.
> 
>    A user-PI receiving a 500 or 502 reply should assume that the
>    server-PI does not implement the HOST command style virtual server.
>    It may then proceed to login as if the HOST command had succeeded,
>    and perhaps, attempt a CWD command to the hostname after
>    authenticating the user.
> 
>    A user-PI receiving some other error reply should assume that the
>    virtual HOST is unavailable, and terminate communications.
> 
>    A server-PI that receives a USER command, beginning the
>    authentication sequence, without having received a HOST command
>    SHOULD NOT reject the USER command.  Clients conforming to earlier
>    FTP specifications do not send HOST commands.  In this case the
>    server may act as if some default virtual host had been explicitly
>    selected, or may enter an environment different from that of all
>    supported virtual hosts, perhaps one in which a union of all
>    available accounts exists, and which presents a NVFS which appears to
>    contain sub-directories containing the NVFS for all virtual hosts
>    supported.
> 
> 6.5. FEAT response for HOST command
> 
>    A server-FTP process that supports the host command, and virtual FTP
>    servers, MUST include in the response to the FEAT command [6], a
>    feature line indicating that the HOST command is supported.  This
>    line should contain the single word "HOST".  This MAY be sent in
>    upper or lower case, or a mixture of both (it is case insensitive)
>    but SHOULD be transmitted in upper case only.  That is, the response
>    SHOULD be
> 
>         C> Feat
>         S> 211- 
>         S>  ...
>         S>  HOST
>         S>  ...
>         S> 211 End
> 
>    The ellipses indicate place holders where other features may be
>    included, and are not required.  The one space indentation of the
>    feature lines is mandatory [6].
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 




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TO ALL OFF OUR LISTMEMBERS STUDY THESE DD LINKS AND I'M SURE YOU'LL BE
AMAZED AS WE WERE AT THIS UPCOMING BIOTECH COMPANY.  THE CEO, ONCE A LEAD
SCIENTIST FOR CORIXA WHO'S PATENT WAS SOLD FOR 54 MILLION, STARTED JIS OWN
COMPANY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WITH A REVERSE MERGER OF A PENNY STOCK THAT
WAS LISTED BUT NOT DOING ANYTHING.
DNAP IS TRADING AT 25 CENTS AND IN OUR OPINION NOT FOR LONG. BUT DO YOUR
DUE DILLIGENCE AND READ THE LINKS. GOOD LUCK IN ALL YOUR TRADING.


(DNAP) - investor information links 
(updated last on 09-22-00 @ 13:34pm) 


DNAprint Genomics (CORPORATE WEB SITE)----->  

Company Profile 

DNAPrint genomics is a young e-biotech company based in southwest Florida.
The company is developing an informatics platform system that will provide
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NEWS ANALYSIS FORT LAUDERDALE,(dbusiness.com)-- "Safe drugs that fit like a
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NEWS ANALYSIS BALTIMORE, (LocalBusiness.com) -- "Adding DNA to the Rx mix"
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CURRENT NEWS/PRESS RELEASE LINK----->  

PRESS RELEASES: 

JUNE 30, 2000 (Press Release) Catalyst Communications, Inc. (Pink Sheets:
"CLYC") announced today that it has signed a letter of intent to acquire
privately held DNAPrint genomics Inc., a Sarasota, Florida based genomic
research and personalized medicine corporation----->



JULY 18, 2000 (Press Release) Catalyst Communications, Inc. (Pink
Sheets:CLYC) announced today that it has acquired privately held DNAPrint
genomics Inc., a Sarasota, Florida based genomic research and personalized
medicine corporation----->



AUGUST 4, 2000 (Press Release) DNAPrint genomics (Pink Sheets:DNAP) has
entered into a license agreement with privately held Geospiza Inc., of
Seattle, WA----->



AUGUST 8, 2000 (Press Release) DNAPrint genomics, Inc., (Pink Sheets:DNAP),
a Sarasota, Florida based genomics company, announced today that it has
engaged the Sarasota, Florida CPA firm of Howard Wolmerdorph, C.P.A., P.A.,
to complete its audits through December 31, 1999----->



AUGUST 15, 2000 (Press Release) DNAPrint genomics, Inc. (Pink 
Sheets:DNAP) announced today that it has upgraded its hardware computing
platform to a Sun Sparc network system designed by Sun Microsystems
(Nasdaq: SUNW)----->



AUGUST 22, 2000 (Press Release) DNAPrint genomics (Pink Sheets:DNAP)
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SEPTEMBER 1, 2000 (Press Release) DNAPrint genomics, Inc., (Pink
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SEPTEMBER 6, 2000 (Press Release) DNAPrint genomics, Inc., (Pink
Sheets:DNAP), a Sarasota, Florida based genomics company, announced today
that it has been invited to present at the Genomic Partnering Conference,
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September 20, 2000 (Press Release) DNAPrint genomics, Inc. Announces
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Dnaprint Genomics (DNAP) is in this weeks issue of Barrons page 52.

Clinics of the future will read genetic data from patients saliva or blood and screen this "read" against "solutions" generated genomics companies.
Dnaprint Genomics (DNAP) intends to be the first to establish tools for these diagnostic solutions.


DNAP is trading at 23.5 CENTS at Friday's (9/22/00) close. We feel this is an excellent opportunity to profit from the ground floor on an emerging biotech company that started trading recently by an effective reverse merger with a company that was on the pink sheets. 
The CEO Tony Frudakis was a lead scientist for Corixa. Corixa's stock has gone from 14 cents to 49 dollars (Fridays close) within a few years, partly due to Dr. Frudakis's patent developement. Dr. Frudakis decided to start his own company.

Frudakis, 33, said he expects DNAprint to become a Fortune 500 company within 10 years.
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Dnaprint





 Dnaprint
(DNAP)
is an
emerging biotech company in this weeks Barrons.




1) CEO (Dr. Tony Frudakis) Lead scientist for
Corixa starts his own company a few months ago



2) Company is formed by a reverse merger of a pinksheet company



3) DNAP has already completed the accounting to get off the pinksheets and
should be listed on the OTCBB soon.



4) Dr. Frudakis was responsible for a patent that sold for $54,000,000 to Smith
Kline Beecham while he was at Corixa.



5) Corixa's stock has gone from 14 Cents a few years ago to 50 Dollars today.



6) According to the Barron's article, Dnaprint is in the late stages of forming
strategic alliances with major companies.


7) DNAP
is trading at 23.5 cents as of Friday's close !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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TEXT Version:
 
    Dnaprint (DNAP) is an emerging biotech company in this weeks Barrons.

1) CEO (Dr. Tony Frudakis) Lead scientist for Corixa starts his own company a 
   few months ago
    
2) Company is formed by a reverse merger of a pinksheet company

3) DNAP has already completed the accounting to get off the pinksheets and 
   should be listed on the OTCBB soon.

4) Dr. Frudakis was  responsible for a patent that sold for $54,000,000 to 
   Smith Kline Beecham while he was at Corixa.
 
5) Corixa's stock has gone from 14 Cents a few years ago to 50 Dollars today.
 
6) According to the Barron's article, Dnaprint is in the late stages of forming 
   strategic alliances with major companies.

7) Dnap is trading at 23.5 cents at Friday's close !!!!










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Dnaprint





 Dnaprint
(DNAP)
is an
emerging biotech company in this weeks Barrons.




1) CEO (Dr. Tony Frudakis) Lead scientist for
Corixa starts his own company a few months ago



2) Company is formed by a reverse merger of a pinksheet company



3) DNAP has already completed the accounting to get off the pinksheets and
should be listed on the OTCBB soon.



4) Dr. Frudakis was responsible for a patent that sold for $54,000,000 to Smith
Kline Beecham while he was at Corixa.



5) Corixa's stock has gone from 14 Cents a few years ago to 50 Dollars today.



6) According to the Barron's article, Dnaprint is in the late stages of forming
strategic alliances with major companies.


7) DNAP
is trading at 23.5 cents as of Friday's close !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 This is not from a registered financial advisory, please
consult with a registered investment advisor before making an investment
decision. This communication (print or electronic) reflects our opinions and
does not necessarily reflect those of anyone else related to the firm and may be
in conflict with the views or official views of the companies mentioned. Readers
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TEXT Version:
 
    Dnaprint (DNAP) is an emerging biotech company in this weeks Barrons.

1) CEO (Dr. Tony Frudakis) Lead scientist for Corixa starts his own company a 
   few months ago
    
2) Company is formed by a reverse merger of a pinksheet company

3) DNAP has already completed the accounting to get off the pinksheets and 
   should be listed on the OTCBB soon.

4) Dr. Frudakis was  responsible for a patent that sold for $54,000,000 to 
   Smith Kline Beecham while he was at Corixa.
 
5) Corixa's stock has gone from 14 Cents a few years ago to 50 Dollars today.
 
6) According to the Barron's article, Dnaprint is in the late stages of forming 
   strategic alliances with major companies.

7) Dnap is trading at 23.5 cents at Friday's close !!!!









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e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2.
f. Insert your name and address in the REPORT #1 position.
Please make sure you COPY ALL INFORMATION, every name and address,
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The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for

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REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL
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3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1000)........$5,000
4th level--10 members from those 1000 ($5 x 10,000)..$50,000

$$$$$$ THIS TOTALS ----------$55,550 $$$$$$

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of
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and
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Notes: ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS NOT
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(a) the number & name of the report you are ordering

(b) your e-mail address, and

(c) your name & postal address.

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USA

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THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the

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have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office
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Link to article below:

http://www.thestreet.com/comment/herbonthestreet/1096812.html


Commentary: Herb on TheStreet.com
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Why So Much Smart Money Is So High on Read-Rite
By Herb Greenberg 
Senior Columnist
9/26/00 6:30 AM ET 

Read-Rite(symbol= RDRT)

Feeling benevolent, so let's get bullish: 

Reading right: As I've written in RealMoney.com's Columnist Conversation, the 
one stock quite a few of my smartest sources are yapping about is Read-Rite 
(RDRT:Nasdaq - news - boards), the (until very recently) long-forgotten maker of 
heads for disk drives. The only reason I take it seriously is because of the variety of 
investors in the stock (from seasoned and savvy traders to some of the 
most-dogged researchers I know). 

Most of the sizzle surrounding the company in recent weeks has been tied to the 
launch of a new division called Scion Photonics, which is developing optical 
wafers for use in the fiber-optic networks, and which was initially funded with $25 
mil from Tyco Ventures and Roger McNamee's Integral Capital, which got a 
quarter of the company in return. 

But that's only part of the story: 

According to Scott Turkel of TCM Partners, who has had his share of hits and 
misses in this column, and who also happens to be the only on-the-record holder 
among my sources, the company without Scion is worth about where it trades 
today, $10.50, or around 1 times sales. "They're completely sold out in their core 
business in the fourth quarter," he says, "and for the first time, they have pricing 
power." (One reason is that disk drives are no longer sold mostly for PCs; they've 
become a staple in storage networks.) 

Scion, meanwhile, is currently valued at around $100 million (based on 
Tyco/Integral's 25% stake). "Chump change," says Turkel. That's because the 
valuation is without even having a marketable product; the first wafer isn't expected 
to hit the market until next year (which, I should point out, is why some skeptics 
are, uh, skeptical). 

But another very sharp manager I know, who is often short stocks, said he saw 
Read-Rite at several recent conferences, and "I thought the story got better 
between Salomon Smith Barney and Banc of America, both on the optics side 
and on their base business. They actually showed a slide of the optical wafer 
prototype they had made; they said they are sampling product with several 
customers. They said, Our customers have said, 'If you can make them, we'll buy 
them.' In other words, the move to optical is less theoretical than it was a month 
ago." 

What's more, according to this money manger, who is great at spotting nuances, 
"They went from saying, 'We'll be break-even cash flow in Q-4 from core 
businesses,' to saying, 'We are on allocation and we may actually make money in 
Q4' from the core business.' " 

Based on that, Turkel (who first bought the stock when it was $4 not long ago) 
thinks he now owns a $10 stock that is worth $25. 

P.S.: Read-Rite recently paid the first installment of interest on a convertible bond 
with cash, rather than stock, which was an alternative. (The cash came from the 
State of Wisconsin Investment Board, already a large Read-Rite investor.) 
Translation to some investors: The only reason the state paid with cash is because 
it thinks the stock is going higher. Or, put another way, Wisconsin, which already 
owns a 20% stake, wouldn't have sunk in even more cash if it didn't think it would 
make a decent return. (Did I really write something that glowing? Must be some 
kind of a market top!) 

(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long)



Read-Rite CEO gets into growth
By Janet Haney, CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last Update: [Timestamp]NewsWatch
Latest headlines
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) -- Read-Rite Chief Executive Officer Alan Lowe waxed positive about the future growth prospects for the magnetic-recording-head supplier.

Lowe told a crowd of investors and analysts during a presentation at the Banc of America Securities Investment Conference in San Francisco on Thursday that he expects huge unit growth potential for Read-Rite's (RDRT: news, msgs) December quarter, as well as the possibility of profitability.
Lowe added that the company is hiring people as fast as it can for its wafer fabrication facility.
For the September quarter, the CEO said Read-Rite has a "lot of product to ship in the last 10 days of the quarter."
Additionally, Lowe talked about Read-Rite's recent formation of an independent fiber optic company called Scion Photonics which he said hopes to go public.
Scion received funding from Tyco, which will make a presentation at the conference later Thursday.  
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Commentary: Herb on TheStreet.com
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Why So Much Smart Money Is So High on Read-Rite
By Herb Greenberg 
Senior Columnist
9/26/00 6:30 AM ET 

Read-Rite(symbol= RDRT)

Feeling benevolent, so let's get bullish: 

Reading right: As I've written in RealMoney.com's Columnist Conversation, the 
one stock quite a few of my smartest sources are yapping about is Read-Rite 
(RDRT:Nasdaq - news - boards), the (until very recently) long-forgotten maker of 
heads for disk drives. The only reason I take it seriously is because of the variety of 
investors in the stock (from seasoned and savvy traders to some of the 
most-dogged researchers I know). 

Most of the sizzle surrounding the company in recent weeks has been tied to the 
launch of a new division called Scion Photonics, which is developing optical 
wafers for use in the fiber-optic networks, and which was initially funded with $25 
mil from Tyco Ventures and Roger McNamee's Integral Capital, which got a 
quarter of the company in return. 

But that's only part of the story: 

According to Scott Turkel of TCM Partners, who has had his share of hits and 
misses in this column, and who also happens to be the only on-the-record holder 
among my sources, the company without Scion is worth about where it trades 
today, $10.50, or around 1 times sales. "They're completely sold out in their core 
business in the fourth quarter," he says, "and for the first time, they have pricing 
power." (One reason is that disk drives are no longer sold mostly for PCs; they've 
become a staple in storage networks.) 

Scion, meanwhile, is currently valued at around $100 million (based on 
Tyco/Integral's 25% stake). "Chump change," says Turkel. That's because the 
valuation is without even having a marketable product; the first wafer isn't expected 
to hit the market until next year (which, I should point out, is why some skeptics 
are, uh, skeptical). 

But another very sharp manager I know, who is often short stocks, said he saw 
Read-Rite at several recent conferences, and "I thought the story got better 
between Salomon Smith Barney and Banc of America, both on the optics side 
and on their base business. They actually showed a slide of the optical wafer 
prototype they had made; they said they are sampling product with several 
customers. They said, Our customers have said, 'If you can make them, we'll buy 
them.' In other words, the move to optical is less theoretical than it was a month 
ago." 

What's more, according to this money manger, who is great at spotting nuances, 
"They went from saying, 'We'll be break-even cash flow in Q-4 from core 
businesses,' to saying, 'We are on allocation and we may actually make money in 
Q4' from the core business.' " 

Based on that, Turkel (who first bought the stock when it was $4 not long ago) 
thinks he now owns a $10 stock that is worth $25. 

P.S.: Read-Rite recently paid the first installment of interest on a convertible bond 
with cash, rather than stock, which was an alternative. (The cash came from the 
State of Wisconsin Investment Board, already a large Read-Rite investor.) 
Translation to some investors: The only reason the state paid with cash is because 
it thinks the stock is going higher. Or, put another way, Wisconsin, which already 
owns a 20% stake, wouldn't have sunk in even more cash if it didn't think it would 
make a decent return. (Did I really write something that glowing? Must be some 
kind of a market top!) 

(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long)



Read-Rite CEO gets into growth
By Janet Haney, CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last Update: [Timestamp]NewsWatch
Latest headlines
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) -- Read-Rite Chief Executive Officer Alan Lowe waxed positive about the future growth prospects for the magnetic-recording-head supplier.

Lowe told a crowd of investors and analysts during a presentation at the Banc of America Securities Investment Conference in San Francisco on Thursday that he expects huge unit growth potential for Read-Rite's (RDRT: news, msgs) December quarter, as well as the possibility of profitability.
Lowe added that the company is hiring people as fast as it can for its wafer fabrication facility.
For the September quarter, the CEO said Read-Rite has a "lot of product to ship in the last 10 days of the quarter."
Additionally, Lowe talked about Read-Rite's recent formation of an independent fiber optic company called Scion Photonics which he said hopes to go public.
Scion received funding from Tyco, which will make a presentation at the conference later Thursday.  
Janet Haney is a reporter for CBS.MarketWatch.com.












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TEXT Version:
 
    Dnaprint (DNAP) is an emerging biotech company in this weeks Barrons.

1) CEO (Dr. Tony Frudakis) Lead scientist for Corixa starts his own company a 
   few months ago
    
2) Company is formed by a reverse merger of a pinksheet company

3) DNAP has already completed the accounting to get off the pinksheets and 
   should be listed on the OTCBB soon.

4) Dr. Frudakis was  responsible for a patent that sold for $54,000,000 to 
   Smith Kline Beecham while he was at Corixa.
 
5) Corixa's stock has gone from 14 Cents a few years ago to 50 Dollars today.
 
6) According to the Barron's article, Dnaprint is in the late stages of forming 
   strategic alliances with major companies.

7) Dnap is trading at 23.5 cents at Friday's close !!!!










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Link to article below:

http://www.thestreet.com/comment/herbonthestreet/1096812.html


Commentary: Herb on TheStreet.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why So Much Smart Money Is So High on Read-Rite
By Herb Greenberg 
Senior Columnist
9/26/00 6:30 AM ET 

Read-Rite(symbol= RDRT)

Feeling benevolent, so let's get bullish: 

Reading right: As I've written in RealMoney.com's Columnist Conversation, the 
one stock quite a few of my smartest sources are yapping about is Read-Rite 
(RDRT:Nasdaq - news - boards), the (until very recently) long-forgotten maker of 
heads for disk drives. The only reason I take it seriously is because of the variety of 
investors in the stock (from seasoned and savvy traders to some of the 
most-dogged researchers I know). 

Most of the sizzle surrounding the company in recent weeks has been tied to the 
launch of a new division called Scion Photonics, which is developing optical 
wafers for use in the fiber-optic networks, and which was initially funded with $25 
mil from Tyco Ventures and Roger McNamee's Integral Capital, which got a 
quarter of the company in return. 

But that's only part of the story: 

According to Scott Turkel of TCM Partners, who has had his share of hits and 
misses in this column, and who also happens to be the only on-the-record holder 
among my sources, the company without Scion is worth about where it trades 
today, $10.50, or around 1 times sales. "They're completely sold out in their core 
business in the fourth quarter," he says, "and for the first time, they have pricing 
power." (One reason is that disk drives are no longer sold mostly for PCs; they've 
become a staple in storage networks.) 

Scion, meanwhile, is currently valued at around $100 million (based on 
Tyco/Integral's 25% stake). "Chump change," says Turkel. That's because the 
valuation is without even having a marketable product; the first wafer isn't expected 
to hit the market until next year (which, I should point out, is why some skeptics 
are, uh, skeptical). 

But another very sharp manager I know, who is often short stocks, said he saw 
Read-Rite at several recent conferences, and "I thought the story got better 
between Salomon Smith Barney and Banc of America, both on the optics side 
and on their base business. They actually showed a slide of the optical wafer 
prototype they had made; they said they are sampling product with several 
customers. They said, Our customers have said, 'If you can make them, we'll buy 
them.' In other words, the move to optical is less theoretical than it was a month 
ago." 

What's more, according to this money manger, who is great at spotting nuances, 
"They went from saying, 'We'll be break-even cash flow in Q-4 from core 
businesses,' to saying, 'We are on allocation and we may actually make money in 
Q4' from the core business.' " 

Based on that, Turkel (who first bought the stock when it was $4 not long ago) 
thinks he now owns a $10 stock that is worth $25. 

P.S.: Read-Rite recently paid the first installment of interest on a convertible bond 
with cash, rather than stock, which was an alternative. (The cash came from the 
State of Wisconsin Investment Board, already a large Read-Rite investor.) 
Translation to some investors: The only reason the state paid with cash is because 
it thinks the stock is going higher. Or, put another way, Wisconsin, which already 
owns a 20% stake, wouldn't have sunk in even more cash if it didn't think it would 
make a decent return. (Did I really write something that glowing? Must be some 
kind of a market top!) 

(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long)



Read-Rite CEO gets into growth
By Janet Haney, CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last Update: [Timestamp]NewsWatch
Latest headlines
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) -- Read-Rite Chief Executive Officer Alan Lowe waxed positive about the future growth prospects for the magnetic-recording-head supplier.

Lowe told a crowd of investors and analysts during a presentation at the Banc of America Securities Investment Conference in San Francisco on Thursday that he expects huge unit growth potential for Read-Rite's (RDRT: news, msgs) December quarter, as well as the possibility of profitability.
Lowe added that the company is hiring people as fast as it can for its wafer fabrication facility.
For the September quarter, the CEO said Read-Rite has a "lot of product to ship in the last 10 days of the quarter."
Additionally, Lowe talked about Read-Rite's recent formation of an independent fiber optic company called Scion Photonics which he said hopes to go public.
Scion received funding from Tyco, which will make a presentation at the conference later Thursday.  
Janet Haney is a reporter for CBS.MarketWatch.com.















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