From owner-gsmp@psyton.com Tue Dec 5 07:05:19 2000 Received: from nighthawk.psyton.com (IDENT:root@psyton.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.13.103]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id HAA19303 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) id eB5BkJV30421 for gsmp-list; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:46:19 -0500 Received: from qhars002.nortel.com (qhars002.NortelNetworks.com [192.100.101.19]) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id eB5BkHJ30418 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:46:17 -0500 Received: from znsgd00t.europe.nortel.com (actually znsgd00t) by qhars002.nortel.com; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:45:56 +0000 Received: from zvb1c002.corpemea.baynetworks.com ([141.251.160.82]) by znsgd00t.europe.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id X8R2LRKY; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:44:49 -0000 Received: from europem01.nt.com (KSUNDELL [141.251.192.162]) by zvb1c002.corpemea.baynetworks.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id Y2J37KP6; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:44:46 +0100 Message-ID: <3A2CD5B8.5AD0D8C0@europem01.nt.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:47:04 +0100 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Kenneth Sundell" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gsmp-list CC: "Avri Doria" Subject: ietf49: proposed gsmp wg agenda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-gsmp@psyton.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gsmp@psyton.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit folks, here is the proposed agenda for the upcoming ietf meeting, please send any comments and/or additions today. regards, ken General Switch Management Protocol WG (gsmp) Thursday, December 14 at 1300-1500 1. Agenda bashing 2. Last Call Comments - draft-ietf-gsmp-08.txt - draft-ietf-gsmp-mib-03.txt - draft-ietf-gsmp-encaps-03.txt 3. Interoperabilty test planning 4. Charter Status update - current effort update From owner-gsmp@psyton.com Wed Dec 6 09:30:09 2000 Received: from nighthawk.psyton.com (IDENT:root@psyton.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.13.103]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA19947 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) id eB6EJei02051 for gsmp-list; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:19:40 -0500 Received: from qhars002.nortel.com (qhars002.NortelNetworks.com [192.100.101.19]) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id eB6EJcT02048 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:19:38 -0500 Received: from znsgd00t.europe.nortel.com (actually znsgd00t) by qhars002.nortel.com; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:19:05 +0000 Received: from zvb1c002.corpemea.baynetworks.com ([141.251.160.82]) by znsgd00t.europe.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id X8R2M4ZF; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:19:03 -0000 Received: from europem01.nt.com (KSUNDELL [141.251.192.162]) by zvb1c002.corpemea.baynetworks.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id Y2J37LMM; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:19:03 +0100 Message-ID: <3A2E4B61.A1BB1381@europem01.nt.com> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 15:21:21 +0100 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Kenneth Sundell" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gsmp-list Subject: Last Call reminder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-gsmp@psyton.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gsmp@psyton.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit folks, i just want to remind you all that last call for the following documents expires later today - dec 5th in any time zone :) draft-ietf-gsmp-08.txt draft-ietf-gsmp-mib-03.txt draft-ietf-gsmp-encaps-03.txt regards, ken From owner-gsmp@psyton.com Thu Dec 7 09:38:14 2000 Received: from nighthawk.psyton.com (IDENT:root@psyton.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.13.103]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA24983 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) id eB7EQwu06547 for gsmp-list; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:26:58 -0500 Received: from qhars002.nortel.com (qhars002.NortelNetworks.com [192.100.101.19]) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id eB7EQvl06544 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:26:57 -0500 Received: from znsgd00t.europe.nortel.com (actually znsgd00t) by qhars002.nortel.com; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:26:39 +0000 Received: from zvb1c002.corpemea.baynetworks.com ([141.251.160.82]) by znsgd00t.europe.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id YMLQPYAM; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:26:37 -0000 Received: from europem01.nt.com (KSUNDELL [141.251.192.162]) by zvb1c002.corpemea.baynetworks.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id Y2J37L50; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:26:37 +0100 Message-ID: <3A2F9EA7.CABB59A1@europem01.nt.com> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:28:55 +0100 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Kenneth Sundell" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gsmp-list Subject: draft-ietf-gsmp-mib-03.txt: last call closed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-gsmp@psyton.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gsmp@psyton.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit folks, last call for draft-ietf-gsmp-mib-03.txt is now closed. regards, ken From owner-gsmp@psyton.com Thu Dec 7 09:45:26 2000 Received: from nighthawk.psyton.com (IDENT:root@psyton.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.13.103]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA26942 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) id eB7Ec6J06636 for gsmp-list; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:38:06 -0500 Received: from qnsgs000.nortel.com (qnsgs000.nortelnetworks.com [47.211.0.31]) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id eB7Ec6l06632 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:38:06 -0500 Received: from znsgd00t.europe.nortel.com (actually znsgd00t) by qnsgs000.nortel.com; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:27:07 +0000 Received: from zvb1c002.corpemea.baynetworks.com ([141.251.160.82]) by znsgd00t.europe.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id YMLQPYBF; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:27:05 -0000 Received: from europem01.nt.com (KSUNDELL [141.251.192.162]) by zvb1c002.corpemea.baynetworks.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id Y2J37L6C; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:27:05 +0100 Message-ID: <3A2F9EC6.304B0CB3@europem01.nt.com> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:29:26 +0100 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Kenneth Sundell" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gsmp-list Subject: draft-ietf-gsmp-encaps-03.txt: last call closed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-gsmp@psyton.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gsmp@psyton.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit folks, last call for draft-ietf-gsmp-encaps-03.txt is now closed. regards, ken From owner-gsmp@psyton.com Thu Dec 7 10:35:31 2000 Received: from nighthawk.psyton.com (IDENT:root@psyton.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.13.103]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id KAA04353 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) id eB7EQYJ06542 for gsmp-list; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:26:34 -0500 Received: from qhars002.nortel.com (qhars002.NortelNetworks.com [192.100.101.19]) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id eB7EQWl06539 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:26:32 -0500 Received: from zhard00m.europe.nortel.com (actually zhard00m) by qhars002.nortel.com; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:26:17 +0000 Received: from zvb1c002.corpemea.baynetworks.com ([141.251.160.82]) by zhard00m.europe.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id YMK862ZD; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:26:13 -0000 Received: from europem01.nt.com (KSUNDELL [141.251.192.162]) by zvb1c002.corpemea.baynetworks.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id Y2J37L57; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:26:14 +0100 Message-ID: <3A2F9E91.61AC93B4@europem01.nt.com> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:28:33 +0100 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Kenneth Sundell" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gsmp-list Subject: draft-ietf-gsmp-08.txt: last call closed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-gsmp@psyton.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gsmp@psyton.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit folks, last call for draft-ietf-gsmp-08.txt is now closed. regards, ken From owner-gsmp@psyton.com Wed Dec 20 12:42:17 2000 Received: from nighthawk.psyton.com (IDENT:root@psyton.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.13.103]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA06081 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) id eBKHSsX06318 for gsmp-list; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:28:54 -0500 Received: from cplane.com (IDENT:qmailr@jersey.cplane.com [63.193.105.226]) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id eBKHSqo06315 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:28:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 15566 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 16:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO texas.cplane.com) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 16:03:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 27561 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 17:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cplane.com) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 17:28:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3A40EBE8.EA3B7D48@cplane.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:27:05 -0800 From: Jaroslaw Sydir Organization: CPlane Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-PBI-NC404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: forces@peach.ease.lsoft.com, gsmp@psyton.com Subject: Forces-GSMP overlap Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-gsmp@psyton.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gsmp@psyton.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks. At the FORCES BOF and the GSMP WG meeting last week there was discussion about a potential overlap in the proposed work of the two groups, specifically with respect to the control of IP devices. I believe that although some overlap exists, it is not the case that both groups are aiming to do exactly the same thing. I think that the two groups are approaching the problem at two different levels. FORCES is approaching the problem at a lower level. At this level can be defined protocols between the FEs and CEs (forces terminology). These protocols would allow the FEs and CEs to discover each other and allow the CE to program the FEs. In this model, it is possible that the CE be in a physically separate location from the FE, but in practice its not clear that it makes sense to build a network element without even a minimal control entity. It does make sense to build an NE with a minimal CE which speaks the CE-FE protocols and acts as a GSMP slave (or whatever NE control protocol you wish to use). This brings up the higher level protocol, which is the focus of the GSMP WG. This higher level protocol is a protocol for controlling a complete NE. This is the purpose of GSMP (for switched devices). This type of protocol provides the flexibility to deploy the control plane on or off board the network elements. It is this level of protocol that the GSMP WG would produce for IP devices under the "extend to deal with IP routers" item in the proposed charter. Now, even though the two groups are talking about two slightly different sets of protocol, I believe that some of the primitives (objects, TLVs...) used by the two protocols might be the same. Specifically they should both deal with the creation/configuration of fileters, meters, schedulers, queues, etc. So I think that the work can go on in two groups, but that the groups should coordinate their efforts in defining these low level primitives. Jerry Sydir From owner-gsmp@psyton.com Thu Dec 21 14:52:36 2000 Received: from nighthawk.psyton.com (IDENT:root@psyton.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.13.103]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA28737 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) id eBLJhZO11362 for gsmp-list; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:43:35 -0500 Received: from apocalypse.org (IDENT:root@apocalypse.org [192.48.232.17]) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id eBLJhYo11359 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:43:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (avri@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25990 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:43:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:43:25 -0500 (EST) From: ad To: gsmp@psyton.com Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-gsmp-mib-04.txt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-gsmp@psyton.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gsmp@psyton.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the General Switch Management Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Objects for the General Switch Management Protocol (GSMP) Author(s) : H. Sjostrand, J. Buerkle, B. Srinivasan Filename : draft-ietf-gsmp-mib-04.txt Pages : 44 Date : 20-Dec-00 This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes managed objects for the General Switch Management Protocol (GSMP). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-gsmp-mib-04.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-gsmp-mib-04.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-gsmp-mib-04.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20001220160711.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-gsmp-mib-04.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-gsmp-mib-04.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20001220160711.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-gsmp@psyton.com Thu Dec 21 15:35:02 2000 Received: from nighthawk.psyton.com (IDENT:root@psyton.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.13.103]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA29883 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) id eBLKRLK11685 for gsmp-list; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:27:21 -0500 Received: from zcars04f.ca.nortel.com (h57s242a129n47.user.nortelnetworks.com [47.129.242.57]) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id eBLKRCp11677 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:27:12 -0500 Received: from zbl6c012.corpeast.baynetworks.com by zcars04f.ca.nortel.com; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:26:40 -0500 Received: from zbl6c002.corpeast.baynetworks.com ([132.245.205.52]) by zbl6c012.corpeast.baynetworks.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id ZHQ157L5; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:26:38 -0500 Received: from nortelnetworks.com (AVRI-1 [47.81.7.189]) by zbl6c002.corpeast.baynetworks.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id ZH4AM11K; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:26:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3A426775.ABD70C4@nortelnetworks.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:26:29 -0500 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Avri Doria" Organization: Nortel Networks - Routing Architecture Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Coltun , David Oran CC: GSMP@psyton.com Subject: 4 GSMP documents to IESG last call Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orig: Sender: owner-gsmp@psyton.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gsmp@psyton.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, The following documents have passed WG last call and are being passed on to the IESG for last call and for review for RFC status. draft-ietf-gsmp-08.txt - standards track draft-ietf-gsmp-mib-04.txt - standards track draft-ietf-gsmp-encaps-03.txt - standards track draft-ietf-gsmp-applicability-01.txt - informational Please let me know if there are any further steps I or the WG need to take. Thanks and wishes for a good holiday. a. co-chair -- Avri Doria +1 401 663 5024 From owner-gsmp@psyton.com Wed Dec 27 22:41:24 2000 Received: from nighthawk.psyton.com (IDENT:root@psyton.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.13.103]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id WAA29874 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) id eBS3Scr02079 for gsmp-list; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:28:38 -0500 Received: from mail.cs.umn.edu (root@mail.cs.umn.edu [128.101.33.100]) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id eBS3SWR02076 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:28:37 -0500 Received: from myria.cs.umn.edu (tsang@myria.cs.umn.edu [128.101.35.174]) by mail.cs.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16740; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:28:17 -0600 (CST) From: Rose Tsang Received: (from tsang@localhost) by myria.cs.umn.edu (8.9.1/8.9.0) id VAA22428; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:28:16 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200012280328.VAA22428@myria.cs.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Forces-GSMP overlap In-Reply-To: <3A40EBE8.EA3B7D48@cplane.com> from Jaroslaw Sydir at "Dec 20, 2000 09:27:05 am" To: gsmp@psyton.com Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:28:16 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-gsmp@psyton.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gsmp@psyton.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Where can I get more information on FORCES? I did a web search and found one document: "Requirements for Separation of IP Control and Forwarding", Internet Draft by T. Anderson. I take it that FORCES is a relatively new endeavor? Is any other information available? Thanks, Rose Tsang > Hello folks. At the FORCES BOF and the GSMP WG meeting last week there > was discussion about a potential overlap in the proposed work of the two > groups, specifically with respect to the control of IP devices. I > believe that although some overlap exists, it is not the case that both > groups are aiming to do exactly the same thing. > > I think that the two groups are approaching the problem at two different > levels. FORCES is approaching the problem at a lower level. At this > level can be defined protocols between the FEs and CEs (forces > terminology). These protocols would allow the FEs and CEs to discover > each other and allow the CE to program the FEs. In this model, it is > possible that the CE be in a physically separate location from the FE, > but in practice its not clear that it makes sense to build a network > element without even a minimal control entity. It does make sense to > build an NE with a minimal CE which speaks the CE-FE protocols and acts > as a GSMP slave (or whatever NE control protocol you wish to use). > > This brings up the higher level protocol, which is the focus of the GSMP > WG. This higher level protocol is a protocol for controlling a complete > NE. This is the purpose of GSMP (for switched devices). This type of > protocol provides the flexibility to deploy the control plane on or off > board the network elements. It is this level of protocol that the GSMP > WG would produce for IP devices under the "extend to deal with IP > routers" item in the proposed charter. > > Now, even though the two groups are talking about two slightly different > sets of protocol, I believe that some of the primitives (objects, > TLVs...) used by the two protocols might be the same. Specifically they > should both deal with the creation/configuration of fileters, meters, > schedulers, queues, etc. So I think that the work can go on in two > groups, but that the groups should coordinate their efforts in defining > these low level primitives. > > Jerry Sydir > > > > > From owner-gsmp@psyton.com Wed Dec 27 22:55:01 2000 Received: from nighthawk.psyton.com (IDENT:root@psyton.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.13.103]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id WAA29939 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:55:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) id eBS3k6G02167 for gsmp-list; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:46:06 -0500 Received: from thefsb.org (d83b22c8.dsl.flashcom.net [216.59.34.200]) by nighthawk.psyton.com (8.11.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id eBS3k6R02164 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:46:06 -0500 Received: (qmail 21161 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 03:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tworster) (192.168.65.103) by d83b22c8.dsl.flashcom.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 03:38:09 -0000 From: "tom worster" To: Subject: RE: Forces-GSMP overlap Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:46:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c07080$b32560f0$6741a8c0@thefsb.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200012280328.VAA22428@myria.cs.umn.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-gsmp@psyton.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gsmp@psyton.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: owner-gsmp@psyton.com [mailto:owner-gsmp@psyton.com] On Behalf Of Rose Tsang > > Where can I get more information on FORCES? http://ietf.org/ietf/00dec/forces-agenda.txt http://www.sstanamera.com/~forces