From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Aug 5 09:48:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA10945 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k2Ab-0007Mw-1B for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:48:09 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h75Dm945028320 for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:48:09 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k2Aa-0007Me-TA for gsmp-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:48:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA10855 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19k2AX-00022P-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:48:05 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19k2AW-00022L-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:48:04 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k2AV-0007Jw-0b; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:48:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k2AM-0007I4-Us for gsmp@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:47:54 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA10843 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19k2AL-000228-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:47:53 -0400 Received: from h35s128a211n47.user.nortelnetworks.com ([47.211.128.35] helo=znsgs01r.nortelnetworks.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19k2AK-00021t-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:47:52 -0400 Received: from zctfc040.europe.nortel.com (zctfc040.europe.nortel.com [47.164.129.95]) by znsgs01r.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h75DlJf00381 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:47:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from zctfc002.europe.nortel.com ([47.164.129.43]) by zctfc040.europe.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id NB6N20P5; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:47:18 +0200 Received: from nortelnetworks.com (ksundell-1.europe.nortel.com [47.167.132.215]) by zctfc002.europe.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id PQVT1TLR; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:47:19 +0200 Message-ID: <3F2FB58D.50803@nortelnetworks.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:47:57 +0200 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Kenneth Sundell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gsmp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [GSMP] Need consensus for support of protection in GSMP Sender: gsmp-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: gsmp-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: gsmp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: General Switch Management Protocol List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, we had some discussions regarding recovery in Vienna (both at the working group meeting and off-line with the design teams). We had a tenetative decision among the editors to support protection only. I would like to check the consensus on the mailing list on that "decision", i.e. to support protection but not adding restoration to the protocol. We would leave restoration up to the GSMP controller. Please give your thoughts to the list within two weeks from now. Regards, Ken _______________________________________________ GSMP mailing list GSMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gsmp From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Aug 5 10:01:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11319 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k2N4-00087V-TC for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:01:03 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h75E12WS031212 for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:01:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k2N4-00087L-Py for gsmp-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:01:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11303 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19k2N2-0002AY-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:01:00 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19k2N2-0002AV-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:01:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k2N3-00086F-6w; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:01:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k2Md-00085V-W5 for gsmp@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:00:36 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11297 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19k2Mb-0002AL-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:00:33 -0400 Received: from tama5.ecl.ntt.co.jp ([129.60.39.102]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19k2Ma-0002A4-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:00:33 -0400 Received: from vcs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (vcs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.39.110]) by tama5.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h75E0O1R021645; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:00:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from nttmail3.ecl.ntt.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vcs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h75E0O8E010147; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:00:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.5.69]) by nttmail3.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h75E0NeH026478; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:00:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from iml.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.9.3p2/3.7W) with ESMTP id XAA12946; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:00:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from hornet.onlab.ntt.co.jp by iml.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.9.3p2/3.7W) with ESMTP id XAA29345; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:00:22 +0900 (JST) Received: (from okamoto@localhost) by hornet.onlab.ntt.co.jp (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W-07/02/99) id XAA29773; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:00:21 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: hornet.onlab.ntt.co.jp: okamoto set sender to okamoto.satoru@lab.ntt.co.jp using -f Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:00:21 +0900 From: Satoru OKAMOTO To: Kenneth Sundell Cc: gsmp Subject: Re: [GSMP] Need consensus for support of protection in GSMP Message-ID: <20030805140021.GA29760%okamoto.satoru@lab.ntt.co.jp> Reply-To: okamoto.satoru@lab.ntt.co.jp References: <3F2FB58D.50803@nortelnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3F2FB58D.50803@nortelnetworks.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i-ja.1 Sender: gsmp-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: gsmp-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: gsmp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: General Switch Management Protocol List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Ken and all, Yes. I agree with not adding restoration. Satoru Okamoto On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 03:47:57PM +0200, Kenneth Sundell wrote: > > Hi, > > we had some discussions regarding recovery in Vienna (both at the > working group meeting and off-line with the design teams). We had a > tenetative decision among the editors to support protection only. I > would like to check the consensus on the mailing list on that > "decision", i.e. to support protection but not adding restoration to the > protocol. We would leave restoration up to the GSMP controller. > > Please give your thoughts to the list within two weeks from now. > > Regards, > Ken ==================================================== Dr. Satoru Okamoto Senior Research Engineer Advanced IP Node Systems Research Group and Photonic Networking Research Group Photonic Transport Network Laboratory NTT Network Innovation Laboratories Musashino-Office Room 1-2F, 9-11 Midori-Cho 3-Chome Musashino-Shi, Tokyo 180-8585 Japan Tel: +81-422-59-4353 Fax: +81-422-59-6387 Yokosuka-Office Room 807A, 1-1 Hikari-no-oka, Yokosuka-shi, Kanagawa 239-0847 Japan Tel: +81-46-859-8870 Fax: +81-46-859-3396 E-mail: okamoto.satoru@lab.ntt.co.jp ==================================================== _______________________________________________ GSMP mailing list GSMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gsmp From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Aug 5 12:54:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA18767 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k54V-0007Ig-In for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:54:03 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h75Gs3AH028060 for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:54:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k54V-0007IV-E5 for gsmp-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:54:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA18760 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19k54T-0003p3-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:54:01 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19k54S-0003p0-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:54:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k54T-0007I4-1e; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:54:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k54E-0007Hj-KH for gsmp@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:53:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA18743 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19k54C-0003ok-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:53:44 -0400 Received: from zcars0m9.nortelnetworks.com ([47.129.242.157]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19k54C-0003oa-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:53:44 -0400 Received: from zcard309.ca.nortel.com (zcard309.ca.nortel.com [47.129.242.69]) by zcars0m9.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h75GrCR25487 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zcard309.ca.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:53:12 -0400 Message-ID: <0D7FC1D8D861D511AEA70002A52CE5E604343F9A@zcard0ke.ca.nortel.com> From: "Stephen Shew" To: gsmp Subject: RE: [GSMP] Need consensus for support of protection in GSMP Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:53:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35B72.0D48AA72" Sender: gsmp-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: gsmp-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: gsmp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: General Switch Management Protocol List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B72.0D48AA72 Content-Type: text/plain I agree that we should limit GSMP to protection support. This is because protection action is localized whereas restoration actions span multiple switches. Note that the definition of protection I'm using is an action that does not change the endpoints of the connection whereas in restoration, a new connection is used that replaces the failed connection (endpoints change). See G.841 "Types and Characteristics of SDH Network Protection Architectures ". -----Original Message----- From: Sundell, Kenneth [ERK:AA50:EXCH] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 09:48 To: gsmp Subject: [GSMP] Need consensus for support of protection in GSMP Hi, we had some discussions regarding recovery in Vienna (both at the working group meeting and off-line with the design teams). We had a tenetative decision among the editors to support protection only. I would like to check the consensus on the mailing list on that "decision", i.e. to support protection but not adding restoration to the protocol. We would leave restoration up to the GSMP controller. Please give your thoughts to the list within two weeks from now. Regards, Ken _______________________________________________ GSMP mailing list GSMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gsmp ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B72.0D48AA72 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [GSMP] Need consensus for support of protection in = GSMP

I agree that we should limit GSMP to protection = support.  This is because protection action is localized whereas = restoration actions span multiple switches.  Note that the = definition of protection I'm using is an action that does not change = the endpoints of the connection whereas in restoration, a new = connection is used that replaces the failed connection (endpoints = change).  See G.841 "Types and Characteristics of SDH Network = Protection Architectures ".

-----Original Message-----
From: Sundell, Kenneth [ERK:AA50:EXCH]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 09:48
To: gsmp
Subject: [GSMP] Need consensus for support of = protection in GSMP



Hi,

we had some discussions regarding recovery in Vienna = (both at the
working group meeting and off-line with the design = teams). We had a
tenetative decision among the editors to support = protection only. I
would like to check the consensus on the mailing = list on that
"decision", i.e. to support protection but = not adding restoration to the
protocol. We would leave restoration up to the GSMP = controller.

Please give your thoughts to the list within two = weeks from now.

Regards,
Ken





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------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B72.0D48AA72-- _______________________________________________ GSMP mailing list GSMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gsmp From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Aug 6 15:56:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA02409 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kUOE-0006xZ-NJ for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:56:07 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h76Ju666026747 for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:56:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kUOE-0006xK-Dp for gsmp-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:56:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA02402 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19kUOC-0006R8-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:56:04 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19kUOC-0006R4-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:56:04 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kUO9-0006vL-Dh; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:56:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kUNY-0006sw-DN for gsmp@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:55:24 -0400 Received: from asgard.ietf.org (asgard.ietf.org [10.27.6.40]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA02370 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apache by asgard.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.14) id 19kUM9-0000tX-OQ; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:53:57 -0400 From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce:; Cc: Internet Architecture Board , RFC Editor , Message-Id: Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:53:57 -0400 Subject: [GSMP] Document Action: 'Requirements For Adding Optical Support To GSMPv3' to Informational RFC Sender: gsmp-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: gsmp-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: gsmp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: General Switch Management Protocol List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft 'Requirements For Adding Optical Support To GSMPv3' as an Informational RFC. This document is the product of the General Switch Management Protocol Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Bert Wijnen and Alex Zinin. RFC-Editor notes: 1) Third paragraph of section 2.5 - expand DCN. OLD: used in legacy DCN environments that use OSI CLNP. NEW: used in legacy Data Communication Network (DCN) environments that use OSI CLNP. 2) For section 2.5 - Add a final paragraph: The security risks of additional non-IP encapsulations MUST be described, since the mandatory to implement mechanism of IPsec is not available for these control channels, as in the RFC 3293 Ethernet and ATM cases. It is in scope to perform risk analysis and describe if mechanisms for link-level security mitigate the risk. 3) reword text in section 3.3 OLD: A retransmission policy should be used if no reply is received for a message with "AckAll" set. NEW: A retransmission policy with a well-designed exponential backoff should be used if no reply is received for a message with "AckAll" set. _______________________________________________ GSMP mailing list GSMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gsmp From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Aug 6 16:17:30 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA03127 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kUiV-0007oI-Cx for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:17:03 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h76KH3ik030016 for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:17:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kUiV-0007o3-9C for gsmp-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:17:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA03123 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19kUiT-0006eM-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:17:01 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19kUiS-0006eJ-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:17:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kUiT-0007nI-AZ; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:17:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kUiC-0007md-U2 for gsmp@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:16:44 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA03110 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19kUiB-0006dz-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:16:43 -0400 Received: from mx03.forces.gc.ca ([131.137.245.203]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19kUiA-0006du-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:16:42 -0400 Received: from asgard.ietf.org (asgard.ietf.org [132.151.6.40]) by mx03.forces.gc.ca (DND-Mailer) with ESMTP id 40C32206607 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordomo by asgard.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.14) id 19kUNX-0000uo-Qf for ietf-announce-list@asgard.ietf.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:55:23 -0400 Received: from apache by asgard.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.14) id 19kUM9-0000tX-OQ; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:53:57 -0400 From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: Internet Architecture Board , RFC Editor , Message-Id: Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:53:57 -0400 Precedence: bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [GSMP] Document Action: 'Requirements For Adding Optical Support To GSMPv3' to Informational RFC Sender: gsmp-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: gsmp-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: gsmp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: General Switch Management Protocol List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft 'Requirements For Adding Optical Support To GSMPv3' as an Informational RFC. This document is the product of the General Switch Management Protocol Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Bert Wijnen and Alex Zinin. RFC-Editor notes: 1) Third paragraph of section 2.5 - expand DCN. OLD: used in legacy DCN environments that use OSI CLNP. NEW: used in legacy Data Communication Network (DCN) environments that use OSI CLNP. 2) For section 2.5 - Add a final paragraph: The security risks of additional non-IP encapsulations MUST be described, since the mandatory to implement mechanism of IPsec is not available for these control channels, as in the RFC 3293 Ethernet and ATM cases. It is in scope to perform risk analysis and describe if mechanisms for link-level security mitigate the risk. 3) reword text in section 3.3 OLD: A retransmission policy should be used if no reply is received for a message with "AckAll" set. NEW: A retransmission policy with a well-designed exponential backoff should be used if no reply is received for a message with "AckAll" set. _______________________________________________ GSMP mailing list GSMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gsmp From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Aug 8 05:30:31 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA05264 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 05:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19l3ZU-0003RM-Rr for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:30:06 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h789U4Ea013220 for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 05:30:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19l3ZU-0003R9-Ox for gsmp-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:30:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA05261 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 05:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19l3ZR-0007Db-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:30:01 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19l3ZQ-0007DX-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:30:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19l3ZR-0003QU-PS; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:30:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19l3Yl-0003Pk-JF for gsmp@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:29:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA05247 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 05:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19l3Yi-0007DC-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:29:16 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] ident=mailnull) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19l3Yh-0007D9-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:29:15 -0400 Received: from [147.28.0.62] (helo=acm.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19l3Yh-000GP8-E7 for gsmp@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:29:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:26:28 +0900 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:29:00 +0900 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-79-423361791 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Avri Doria To: Avri Doria Resent-To: gsmp@ietf.org Resent-Message-Id: <63A28156-C982-11D7-8C8C-000393CC2112@acm.org> Resent-From: Avri Doria Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: [GSMP] Draft of minutes Sender: gsmp-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: gsmp-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: gsmp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: General Switch Management Protocol List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --Apple-Mail-79-423361791 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please review: ----------------- --Apple-Mail-79-423361791 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=gsmp-minutes.txt Content-Type: text/plain; x-unix-mode=0644; name="gsmp-minutes.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GSMP Working Group minutes IETF57 Notes taken by Jonathan Sadler. The meeting was chaired by Kenneth Sundell and was scheduled for an hour. Topics covered included: - changes to the Base GSMP document including o Triggered add o Block add o removal of technology specific content - changes to the Packet spec o Label Type ranges updated o Stacking Section removed o Capability sets added - changes to optical spec o reservation message for recovery o addition of technology specific block for recovery o add of new short message for data burst o discussion about terminology following what is being done in ccamp for GMPLS Comment: There are some difference developing between the docs. There was an open meeting schedule for later in the IETF week to discuss the docs. Editors requested to attends with other being welcome. Details of the discussions to be discussed on the mailing list. All provisional decisions to be discussed and confirmed on the WG mailing list. - Discussion on Capability sets o each technology to have it own section and range of values o discussion of keeping it a fixed size or making variable. - opinions in favor of variable size especially for multi-layer support. - issue to be resolved on mailing list. - Discussion of triggered add message o quiet room o WG list to be asked again if the message will do - Discussion of bulk add message o predominant question of whether this form of the message meets the requirements in the requirement document. List to be inquired. - Discussion of protection o 1+1 added as argument to Add Branch o other modes still need solution. o issue to be discussed on the list. --Apple-Mail-79-423361791-- _______________________________________________ GSMP mailing list GSMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gsmp From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Aug 28 12:59:54 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA00183 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19sOaK-0005YJ-DU for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:21:16 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h7SFLGVN021344 for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:21:16 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19sLSK-0004T5-Rs for gsmp-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:00:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA05735 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19sLSJ-0004jM-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:00:47 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19sLSJ-0004jI-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:00:47 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19sJbP-0003fc-MT; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:02:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19sF12-0003Yy-Bm for gsmp@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:08:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA17811 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19sF0y-00034U-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:08:08 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] ident=mailnull) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19sF0x-00034I-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:08:07 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19sF0x-000Gk9-Nb for gsmp@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:08:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:07:40 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: avri To: gsmp@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8C655C31-D915-11D7-9851-000393CC2112@psg.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [GSMP] New tool Sender: gsmp-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: gsmp-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: gsmp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: General Switch Management Protocol List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, As those of you reading the list know there has been a little bit of consternation about: a. the speed with which we are doing the work b. the lack of participation It occurred to me that part of the problem had to be with the WG chairs. They, or rather we, were not doing enough to help the work move along and were not doing enough to keep the issues alive and in front of the group. As I was getting ready to spend some more time focusing on the Base spec, it struck me that perhaps it would be good to try and assist the group in maintaining its focus and in tracking issues I went searching among other working groups looking for methods and tools they employ to keep things organized and flowing. From attending the WG chairs course I knew that issue tracking was important. So I decided to borrow some stuff from the AAA group and have created a issues web page for the WG at: psg.com/~avri/gsmp (I will ask the secretariat to add this to the official web page) It is not a sophisticated web page nor am i very happy with it, but I hope it will do as a start. Over time I will add information and features and hope to make it nicer and work better. Most important though I will use it to track the issues we need to deal with in order to finish the work we have before us. In order to help me, I ask that folks with issues follow the directions in: http://psg.com/~avri/gsmp/Issues-instructions.htm That is, I ask that issues be submitted in a form that makes it easier to track. For now at least, I will be doing all the maintenance by hand. Hope this helps get us moving. a. PS. If I got any of the original entries are wrong or you have something to add, please speak up. I went through the recent email and added entries for the issues I had brought up on list. _______________________________________________ GSMP mailing list GSMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gsmp