From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Nov 9 12:02:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA03752 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIsx1-0002PJ-Gq for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 12:02:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA9H2Btk009249 for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:02:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIsx1-0002P6-De for gsmp-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 12:02:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA03733 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIsx0-0003rF-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 12:02:10 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIswz-0003rB-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 12:02:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIswr-0002OZ-W5; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 12:02:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIswS-0002Lp-Du for gsmp@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 12:01:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA03697 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIswR-0003q7-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 12:01:35 -0500 Received: from zctfs063.nortelnetworks.com ([47.164.128.120]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIswP-0003pg-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 12:01:34 -0500 Received: from zctfc040.europe.nortel.com (zctfc040.europe.nortel.com [47.164.129.95]) by zctfs063.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id hA9H0wx00806; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:00:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from zctfc002.europe.nortel.com ([47.164.129.43]) by zctfc040.europe.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id W3LAJ3CL; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:00:57 +0100 Received: from nortelnetworks.com (artpt5r0.us.nortel.com [47.140.52.151]) by zctfc002.europe.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id W37Y19QQ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:00:58 +0100 Message-ID: <3FAE72FD.60600@nortelnetworks.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 18:01:49 +0100 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Kenneth Sundell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gsmp CC: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" , Alex Zinin , avri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [GSMP] GSMP WG Status Sender: gsmp-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: gsmp-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: gsmp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: General Switch Management Protocol WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, As has probably been noticed, the GSMP group is not scheduled to meet at this IETF. The reason for this is that there hasn't been enough dialogue on the list to warrant a meeting. It is not that work hasn't been continuing, it is that not enough of it has been done and not enough commenting has been done. But, the IETF meetings are a time for updating status. So, it seemed appropriate to put together a brief status report on the status of the group from the co-chairs' perspective. 1. Why GSMP But first, a recap of why we are doing this work. The simple answer is to support GMPLS. But this doesn't really answer the question of why. Why does GMPLS need the support? As most know, GMPLS requires that a routing/signaling control plane be associated with each switching device. In the original concept, this means that a single box will contain both the control plane and data plane entities. GSMP is meant to provide the ability to decouple the control plane from the data plane. For new equipment, the tightly couple method of deploying GMPLS is certainly a reasonable way for vendors to sell their solutions. Leaving aside the issue of whether this is always the most advantageous solution for their customers, there is still good reason to decouple the the control plane entities from the data plane entities. If GMPLS is to be deployed in the near term on equipment which is already deployed in customer networks, it will be necessary to find a way to deliver the control instructions to the data plane in a de-coupled manner. There may be other ways to this, e.g. TL/1 messaging, CLI messaging, SNMP and perhaps, someday XMLconf. GSMP offers a well defined and efficient means of doing providing this control link for MPLS and, if we finish our task, will provide an effective means of doing this for GMPLS as well. This info is included here because the main point, the fact that completing GSMP can aid in the deployment speed of GMPLS is sometimes overlooked when deciding on the priority for work items. 2. Status of work items We have missed our remaining milestones. These need to be reworked and to able to do that, we need to understand where we are at with the remaining work and with group participation. 2.1. Requirements Specification Completed and released since the last IETF as RFC3604. 2.2. Base Specification: Avri Doria http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-gsmp-v3-base-spec-04.txt This has gone through several revisions since the last IETF. Most of the requirements from RFC 3604, have been met, though there is still some explanatory text to be written. there is, however, a deficiency that has not yet been met that is not covered in the requirements. The structure for defining and controlling the optical layers is still open. While this may be useful for other technology specific areas, it will be critical for the TDM Technology support. More on this below. Once the layer information and updated text is produced, this spec will be ready for WGLC. 2.3 Packet Capable Switch Specification: Kenneth Sundell http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-gsmp-packet-spec-02.txt The draft has been updated to use the redefined base spec. The Base Doc + the Packet Switch document together are the functional equivalent of the existing GSMPv3 specification: RFC 3292. This specification is essentially done, but since it is dependent on the base spec it is waiting for WGLC until that spec is completed. There have been reviews of this specification on the list as of yet.. 2.4 Optical Switch Specification: Jung Yul Choi http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-gsmp-optical-spec-02.txt (-03 was sent to the list but didn't make it to the i-d repositories before the deadline). This draft is in its third revision. Many of the extension techniques generalized and imported into the base draft originated in the Optical spec. The Optical spec is being brought into alignment the base spec. Unfortunately this spec has not yet received extensive WG review. 2.5 TDM Switch Specification: Jonathan Sadler As of yet unavailable. 2.6 Review and possible update to RFC 3295 - MIB for Base and Packet Capable - No owner 2.7 Review and possible update to RFC 3293 - encapsulation (as per requirements in RFC 3604) - no owner 2.8 MIB to cover Optical Switch Options - No Owner, but could be responsibility of team working on optical spec. 2.9 MIB to cover TDM Switch Options - No Owner, but could be responsibility of team working on TDM spec. 2.10. MIB/PIB/XMLconf for Dynamic partitioning: No Owner A lot of work was done on a PIB and a MIB for this before the WG was diverted into working on dynamic requirements specification RFC 3532. 3.0 Liaison with ITU-T SG15 Avri was invited to attend the latest ITU meeting as a representative from the GSMP group. The ITU is currently reviewing possibilities for protocols that satisfy the CCI interface in the ASON architecture. GSMP is seen as a strong candidate. One deficiency is the support that GSMP offers for supporting Optical layering. A requirements doc is forthcoming from Jonathan Sadler explicitly covering this requirement and making recommendations for its solution. This document was promised during the IETF timeframe, though of course it can be submitted until after the draft freeeze. 4.0 ForCES and GRMP Since the first days of ForCES there has been an assumption that GSMP may offer a vehicle for satisfying the ForCES protocol requirements. Investigating that possibility was also included in the GSMP charter. Recently Weiming Wang has produced a forCES candidate protocol called GRMP. GRMP is a derivative of GSMPv3. Weiming and Avri have been working together on reviewing the changes that might be necessary to both the base and to GRMP in order to make GRMP fit as another technology specific option to GSMPV3. This work is not yet completed, but has gone far enough to indicate that the integration of the two protocols is possible and would not be too onerous. Of course it is unknown at this time whether GRMP will be among the options selected by the ForCES WG. 5.0 Group Participation As has been discussed on the list WG participation or the lack of it is a real problem. While there are 5 or 6 people who are working on the specs or who do participate, the WG list is overly quiet. We need more people writing specs and we need many more reviewing the new specs and commenting publicly. As Bert wrote to the list, this is a real problem in terms of the being able to continue the WG until we finish the work, this has become a liability. while the ADs have not yet threatened to close the group, Bert has threatened to threaten. 6.0 Implementation Privately the WG chairs have been informed of several implementations (>5). Unfortunately none of them is public. This is not terribly helpful to fostering cooperation. We should be shortly getting to the point where different versions are tested for interoperability. This can't be done if folks are unwilling to speak publicly about their work. Ken and Avri Co-chairs GSMP WG _______________________________________________ GSMP mailing list GSMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gsmp From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 24 03:47:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA00123 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOCN7-0001sY-7n for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:47:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAO8l5GH007223 for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:47:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOCN6-0001sQ-Ia for gsmp-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:47:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA00113 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:46:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOCN3-0000cj-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:47:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOCN3-0000cf-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:47:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOCN2-0001rw-7s; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:47:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOCM4-0001r1-Sj for gsmp@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:46:00 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA00093 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOCM1-0000aT-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:45:57 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] ident=mailnull) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOCM1-0000aN-00 for gsmp@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:45:57 -0500 Received: from [147.28.0.62] (helo=acm.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD 4.9) id 1AOCM1-000Kx8-Gi for gsmp@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:45:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:45:36 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Avri Doria To: gsmp@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <92A51682-1E5A-11D8-B49D-000393CC2112@acm.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [GSMP] more changes to the base draft Sender: gsmp-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: gsmp-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: gsmp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: General Switch Management Protocol WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Based on conversations i had in Minneapolis, I have submitted some changes intended to support the adaptation types needed for TDM switches. 1. changed Label TLV - changed length of label type to 16 bits - added 16 bit adaptation type to tlv header (Have not yet started creating a list of adaptation types. I am assuming this is a global list that would be IANNA supported. For the most part I think the adaptation definitions belong to the technology specific documents, so perhaps subdividing the name space as was done with labels types is sufficient. Opinions?) 2. changed definition of general adaptation parameter to identify special handling to be given to label adaptations. Meaning of opaque bit remains the same. All other behavior to be defined in technology specific documents. (I am not sure how this technology specific attribute can be used. One option was to completely remove the previous adaptation field, but I thought for backward compatibility it probably should remain. Opinions?) 3. added section to port configuration record message to display possible adapatation types. Each record includes the adaptation type and the label type it can be used with ------------ Still need to add more text to the document on how these are used, but wanted to make sure that the structural changes were submitted as soon as possible so folks could discuss them and so that the folks who need to them for the technology specific specs could use them. I think I am close to having made all the required technical changes to the doc and plan to start cleaning up and augmenting the text. The hope is to get this and the packet specific doc into last call around the time of the next IETF meeting. So, folks, now is a good time to start reading and commenting. cheers a. _______________________________________________ GSMP mailing list GSMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gsmp From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 24 15:33:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA27685 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AONON-0006q9-Ge for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:33:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAOKX77w026287 for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:33:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AONON-0006pu-Bj for gsmp-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:33:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA27570 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AONOK-00045b-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:33:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AONOK-00045Y-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:33:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AONOG-0006lU-Tz; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:33:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AONNU-0006kS-4I for gsmp@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:32:12 -0500 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA27422; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:31:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200311242031.PAA27422@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: gsmp@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:31:57 -0500 Subject: [GSMP] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-gsmp-v3-base-spec-05.txt Sender: gsmp-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: gsmp-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: gsmp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: General Switch Management Protocol WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Avri Doria To: gsmp@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <02e301c3b3fa$b0b2ce50$845c21d2@Necom.hzic.edu.cn> Message-Id: <5992BA00-2007-11D8-A38A-000393CC2112@acm.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gsmp-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: gsmp-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: gsmp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: General Switch Management Protocol WG List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Weiming, comments inline. On onsdag, nov 26, 2003, at 17:52 Asia/Seoul, Wang,Weiming wrote: > > Hi Avri, > > I'm writing to seek the possiblity in GSMP base header to add > following items: > > 1. A proirity flag to indicate the processing priority for the > message. Can you explain how you would think this should be used? > 2. An optional checksum part in GSMP for error control. Again, can you explain how you would want to see this used? > > If possible, I also ask to leave some space in the Version field for > possible including of other > possible protocols like GRMP > (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-forces-grmp-01.txt). If the two protocols were to be merged it would seem to make the most sense to me for there to be one base protocol which supported the MPLS and GMPLS mode as well as the router mode. I would personally be uncomfortable with one version of the protocol for switches and one for routers. In many respects I think that the support one would need for adding messages for router support already exists. If this merge is something that is of interest to the Wg and something we can get IESG support for (i think it would require a charter amendment) then I think we could certainly work out the details here on the list. I do think your first 2 requests can be discussed within the current work without any charter problems. For the other, I would like to hear from other list members on whether it is something that the WG should pursue. a. _______________________________________________ GSMP mailing list GSMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gsmp From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 27 05:04:40 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA02182 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 05:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APJ0X-0001SD-Ro for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 05:04:24 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hARA4LUp005589 for gsmp-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 05:04:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APJ0V-0001S0-1x for gsmp-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 05:04:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA02170 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 05:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APJ0R-0005zr-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 05:04:15 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APJ0O-0005zG-00 for gsmp-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 05:04:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APJ0D-0001Pw-Ow; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 05:04:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APIzF-0001Os-Oj for gsmp@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 05:03:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA02135 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 05:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx 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