From nobody Mon Jul 20 08:51:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801221A9050 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:51:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r0WqgbUGwQFY for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x22b.google.com (mail-la0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 497F91A9027 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lahh5 with SMTP id h5so99716875lah.2 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:51:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=a0wdikTiBwhVGOV9E3Fp5adI1ewDHiKFBq16HNGVZIU=; b=eqcajuBvS4FU3/GGk6lUMUbv6++hZkk7hgkC9wIwnyLAvcalu1os8kjF/wOFderOxJ vr/9tPhoYWELZueZ61JPKNSFY+OTz6yrM7XEBiluM+X5KDM3tI1Qib5OxC6NbNhkn1tV e/Xfa0484oRem7EnxiZ08XPYZyuf7Xb5VvYoUF8+2LZB0ro+yyEw0IICdPsOPO39hbZ1 5rWXNKlVtnK3kUueVwKpwmGyIwGA0xI/3qj4Yf37lJmxNE7knsnGooobMISpNXnMQIjs 1o7njvD4iSUzjhzb3SkdiIDp1AtIkSuhRNU4mcsA1mYSyo2nN21/0uyOcaeU+HRy5tHd wtyA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.18.194 with SMTP id y2mr28060002lad.5.1437407464663; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.12.68 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:51:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: Brandon Williams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: "hiaps@ietf.org" , joel jaeggli , Dan Wing , "Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de" , Mohamed Boucadair , nicolai.leymann@telekom.de Subject: [hiaps] in-band vs out-of -band hiaps solutions X-BeenThere: hiaps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: "Host Identification, Address and Prefix Sharing in Wi-Fi Access \(hiaps\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 15:51:07 -0000 Hi Brandon, Regarding the discussion we had on Sunday at the reception involving Aaron Falk and others on TCP option in band solution to the host id problem, we think that an out of band solution would better fit the privacy and trackability issues raised. Besides a more generalized approach on host-id use - i.e. not focused on TCP alone - may get better acceptance. TCP option on the other hand is in-band like any IP option solution and might IESG let it find challenging to be standardized regardless of the track such as ISE, etc. Just our two cents. Anyway, we would like experts like you to join us in hiaps and bring together our forces and try our best to create the tools necessary such as a BoF, WG, etc. so that we can advance an out of band solution within a reasonable amount of time. Please join us in this effort. Regards, Dirk & Behcet From nobody Tue Jul 21 04:33:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF441A0100 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 04:33:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L6hCNfwg02KH for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 04:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail43.telekom.de (tcmail43.telekom.de [80.149.113.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89D551A01C6 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 04:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qdezc2.de.t-internal.com ([10.125.181.10]) by tcmail41.telekom.de with ESMTP; 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Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:42:37 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA509-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.70]) by SZXEMA412-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.71]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:42:34 +0800 From: "Liushucheng (Will)" To: "Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de" , "hiaps@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: hiaps in Prague Thread-Index: AdDDqQaP3FntrhYzSE2fHzbmAZoeswAARpYQ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:42:33 +0000 Message-ID: References: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A031A4@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> In-Reply-To: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A031A4@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.70.225] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hiaps] hiaps in Prague X-BeenThere: hiaps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Host Identification, Address and Prefix Sharing in Wi-Fi Access \(hiaps\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:42:42 -0000 Hi Dirk and Behcet, Really sorry that I have other stuff and will not go to the Social. Hope yo= u can have a fruitful meeting and I will be all on my ears about that.=20 Cheers, Will > -----Original Message----- > From: hiaps [mailto:hiaps-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:34 PM > To: hiaps@ietf.org > Subject: [hiaps] hiaps in Prague >=20 > Dear all, > We thought it might be a good idea to meet for a short exchange of ideas > and update at the social tonight! > For all who unfortunately cannot join we will post some minutes here ... > Hope to see many of you there! >=20 > Best Regards > Behcet and Dirk >=20 > _______________________________________________ > hiaps mailing list > hiaps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps From nobody Wed Jul 22 01:05:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5151B2F7B for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:05:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RdFy7rS5LylZ for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail43.telekom.de (tcmail43.telekom.de [80.149.113.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E26091B29A2 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qdezc2.de.t-internal.com ([10.125.181.10]) by tcmail41.telekom.de with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2015 10:04:21 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,522,1432591200"; d="scan'208";a="298762018" Received: from he113443.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.103]) by qde0ps.de.t-internal.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 22 Jul 2015 10:04:20 +0200 Received: from HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.124]) by HE113443.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([::1]) with mapi; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:04:20 +0200 From: To: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:04:19 +0200 Thread-Topic: hiaps in Prague Thread-Index: AdDDqQaP3FntrhYzSE2fHzbmAZoeswAqvwfg Message-ID: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A0360B@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> References: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A031A4@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> In-Reply-To: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A031A4@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> Accept-Language: de-DE Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hiaps] hiaps in Prague X-BeenThere: hiaps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Host Identification, Address and Prefix Sharing in Wi-Fi Access \(hiaps\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:05:06 -0000 Hi again, We only had short discussions yesterday evening - but managed to reserve a = room for tomorrow lunch break: 12-13h Room Budapest (on L level, opposite of Berlin/Brussels). Would be great to see you there! Best Regards Behcet and Dirk=20 -----Original Message----- From: hiaps [mailto:hiaps-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of von Hugo, Dirk Sent: Dienstag, 21. Juli 2015 13:34 To: hiaps@ietf.org Subject: [hiaps] hiaps in Prague Dear all, We thought it might be a good idea to meet for a short exchange of ideas an= d update at the social tonight! For all who unfortunately cannot join we will post some minutes here ... Hope to see many of you there!=20 Best Regards Behcet and Dirk=20 _______________________________________________ hiaps mailing list hiaps@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps From nobody Wed Jul 22 01:49:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742841ACEA1 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:49:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AO25ZKPubfiu for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail13.telekom.de (tcmail13.telekom.de [80.149.113.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7447E1ACEC2 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s4de8nsazdfe010.bmbg.telekom.de ([10.175.246.202]) by tcmail11.telekom.de with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2015 10:49:26 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,522,1432591200"; d="scan'208";a="711080923" Received: from he110889.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.92.130]) by q4de8nsa015.bmbg.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 22 Jul 2015 10:49:21 +0200 Received: from HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.124]) by HE110889.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([fe80::841f:f92c:15ca:8526%16]) with mapi; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:49:19 +0200 From: To: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:49:18 +0200 Thread-Topic: hiaps in Prague - already today at 12:30h! Thread-Index: AdDEW0AHZfj7Dg7hQMWaBdEhgIkzdw== Message-ID: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A036C4@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> Accept-Language: de-DE Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com Subject: Re: [hiaps] hiaps in Prague - already today at 12:30h! X-BeenThere: hiaps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Host Identification, Address and Prefix Sharing in Wi-Fi Access \(hiaps\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:49:32 -0000 Dear all Thanks to Alex we are already able to meet today at lunch break at 12:30h i= n room 'Budapest'. Hopefully this fits many of you! Thanks again, Alex! Best Regards Behcet and Dirk=20 From nobody Thu Jul 23 12:16:31 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEBE1A6F0A for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:16:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82_HIccMgTiv for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail33.telekom.de (tcmail33.telekom.de [80.149.113.247]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E715C1A1B4A for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q4de8psa169.blf.telekom.de ([10.151.13.200]) by tcmail31.telekom.de with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2015 21:16:23 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,532,1432591200"; d="scan'208";a="877181589" Received: from he113470.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.128]) by q4de8psazkj.blf.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 23 Jul 2015 21:16:23 +0200 Received: from HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.124]) by HE113470.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([::1]) with mapi; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 21:16:23 +0200 From: To: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 21:16:22 +0200 Thread-Topic: Hybrid access bar bof Thread-Index: AdDFdzhnetc1D8k4SM+7xODkWnjNbQABFXFA Message-ID: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DDE2@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> References: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DCE5@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DD6E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: de-DE Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com Subject: [hiaps] FW: Hybrid access bar bof X-BeenThere: hiaps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Host Identification, Address and Prefix Sharing in Wi-Fi Access \(hiaps\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:16:28 -0000 Dear all, We had a small meeting yesterday at lunch break (we'll report in some more = detail later) but could try to use a chance to present our issues tomorrow = morning at the HA barbof. Whoever likes to join me there is welcome! Thanks! Best regards Dirk -----Original Message----- From: Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2015 20:42 To: von Hugo, Dirk Subject: Hybrid access bar bof Hi Dirk Friday morning At 8am margareth is organizing a bar bof At Budapest room I have another me= eting I hope you can go Behcet=20 Sent from my iPhone From nobody Tue Jul 28 09:15:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F251ACD71 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 09:15:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4aaokRW6vYmC for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 09:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail33.telekom.de (tcmail33.telekom.de [80.149.113.247]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AFA81ACD8D for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 09:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q4de8psa169.blf.telekom.de ([10.151.13.200]) by tcmail31.telekom.de with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2015 18:15:07 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,564,1432591200"; d="scan'208";a="880204837" Received: from he111631.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.23]) by q4de8psazkj.blf.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 28 Jul 2015 18:15:07 +0200 Received: from HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.124]) by HE111631.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([::1]) with mapi; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 18:15:06 +0200 From: To: Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 18:15:02 +0200 Thread-Topic: Hybrid access bar bof Thread-Index: AdDFdzhnetc1D8k4SM+7xODkWnjNbQABFXFAAO7klYA= Message-ID: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4B0E99E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> References: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DCE5@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DD6E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DDE2@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> In-Reply-To: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DDE2@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> Accept-Language: de-DE Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com, Roland.Schott@telekom.de, N.Leymann@telekom.de Subject: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof X-BeenThere: hiaps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Host Identification, Address and Prefix Sharing in Wi-Fi Access \(hiaps\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:15:22 -0000 Dear all, at IET93 in Prague we had a small informal meeting on hiaps issues discussi= ng the NAT@RG use case with hybrid access (e.g. DSL+LTE) where for differen= t access links and multiple devices (e.g. at home) behind the NAT a consist= ent and customer-configurable policy enforcement should be enabled. Some ve= ndors say (e.g. A10 during bits'n'bytes) that in an SDN-based (vCPE) deploy= ment this would be solved but I still like to see it working. Also at the 'hybrid aggregation bundling' barbof mentioned below we shortl= y presented our issues ... I hope there will be more activity on that in future - also on more generic= approaches towards FMC-related heterogeneous link bundling - perhaps also = stimulating our discussions ;-) Comments, corrections, and discussion welcome! Best regards Dirk -----Original Message----- From: hiaps [mailto:hiaps-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of von Hugo, Dirk Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2015 21:16 To: hiaps@ietf.org Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com Subject: [hiaps] FW: Hybrid access bar bof Dear all, We had a small meeting yesterday at lunch break (we'll report in some more = detail later) but could try to use a chance to present our issues tomorrow = morning at the HA barbof. Whoever likes to join me there is welcome! Thanks! Best regards Dirk -----Original Message----- From: Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2015 20:42 To: von Hugo, Dirk Subject: Hybrid access bar bof Hi Dirk Friday morning At 8am margareth is organizing a bar bof At Budapest room I have another me= eting I hope you can go Behcet=20 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ hiaps mailing list hiaps@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps From nobody Wed Jul 29 07:21:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0951A2119 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:21:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yrWhthC8PwzL for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp5.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (smtp.sgsi.ucl.ac.be [130.104.5.67]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27B11A21AA for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbpobo.dhcp.info.ucl.ac.be (mbpobo.dhcp.info.ucl.ac.be [130.104.228.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: obonaventure@smtp5.sgsi.ucl.ac.be) by smtp5.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3FFF41981A0; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 16:21:25 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp5.sgsi.ucl.ac.be 3FFF41981A0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=uclouvain.be; s=selucl; t=1438179685; bh=uxU9iKpEMi7mjRf6EW5V+AGcZeO4V45iL3/QwS/qjws=; h=Reply-To:Subject:References:To:Cc:From:Message-ID:Date: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:; b=AxiUzlXxL9BK+0laqooM9Bmux3n4YYCKiUxF9wSNbc5l/jXT3szAFJowhG6TAX77f /mhNqyo0l3VAZJUanVyU4O37eHHk7H1xfr2s7hVj+89TLO1mu6ManUsmaDjHJLfiwZ wPfvw152aR6qqHFrdWZIDUFBVeKoL4JOduNr6ips= References: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DCE5@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DD6E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DDE2@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4B0E99E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> To: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de, hiaps@ietf.org From: Olivier Bonaventure Message-ID: <55B8E16C.9090304@uclouvain.be> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 16:21:32 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4B0E99E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99-beta1 at smtp-5.sipr-dc.ucl.ac.be X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Sgsi-Spamcheck: SASL authenticated, X-SGSI-MailScanner-ID: 3FFF41981A0.A476C X-SGSI-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SGSI-From: olivier.bonaventure@uclouvain.be X-SGSI-Spam-Status: No Archived-At: Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com, Roland.Schott@telekom.de, N.Leymann@telekom.de Subject: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof X-BeenThere: hiaps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be List-Id: "Host Identification, Address and Prefix Sharing in Wi-Fi Access \(hiaps\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:21:35 -0000 Dirk, > at IET93 in Prague we had a small informal meeting on hiaps issues discussing the NAT@RG use case with hybrid access (e.g. DSL+LTE) where for different access links and multiple devices (e.g. at home) behind the NAT a consistent and customer-configurable policy enforcement should be enabled. Some vendors say (e.g. A10 during bits'n'bytes) that in an SDN-based (vCPE) deployment this would be solved but I still like to see it working. > Also at the 'hybrid aggregation bundling' barbof mentioned below we shortly presented our issues ... > I hope there will be more activity on that in future - also on more generic approaches towards FMC-related heterogeneous link bundling - perhaps also stimulating our discussions ;-) Concerning FMC, you might be interested by the presentation given by KT during the MPTCP working group. KT uses Multipath TCP to enable smartphones to combine LTE and WiFi and reach higher bandwidth. See http://recordings.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=IETF93_MPTCP&chapter=chapter_1 starts at around minute 34 This service is commercially deployed and was launched in mid June. Although it only runs on Samsung Galaxy S6, they already had 5500 active users on the day of the presentation Olivier From nobody Wed Jul 29 08:52:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6045F1A907A for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:52:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BWY95YnBsDtO for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x232.google.com (mail-la0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A035D1A8829 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lafd3 with SMTP id d3so8974392laf.1 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:52:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5jjubznIe1V6Eg2LkMDACtQP5x+hq0H8pCm6reGmY8s=; b=zDNyZlEp63snaHSTP6bhiNMWjFJsy6EaenHL5iTmiiI+9Sn9EJBDTsseXmVEx5aUXV YMZWs0gmDR+t8VhGp7s36YFYzoxj/l6OAGWk9MQAFLRik4lV2zFzb+3/5Igep6+9A1Tj 7GH+Ndw0lpPEYVbH2ebqHqp/80gOUbIdp2IullthBY3/492lpEkuuEZqB9uHnOhWvMLD qPRGPBkZCGxStyWsafyQURkmMVO8FS/g5YO4Y5OuLSEGiNuXBl+jKMo9n5IN+XeIpt3t DTkTqU61mRy16S4xPPYq9vtsHLW/76fKxONOYPg+kUwiM08+dRDOKIpLvQbse5ZMhCd+ ulGQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.157.36 with SMTP id wj4mr39247804lbb.115.1438185161038; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.12.68 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:52:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55B8E16C.9090304@uclouvain.be> References: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DCE5@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DD6E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DDE2@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4B0E99E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <55B8E16C.9090304@uclouvain.be> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:52:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com, "hiaps@ietf.org" , "roland.schott@telekom.de" , N.Leymann@telekom.de, "Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de" Subject: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof X-BeenThere: hiaps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: "Host Identification, Address and Prefix Sharing in Wi-Fi Access \(hiaps\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 15:52:44 -0000 Hi Olivier, On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Olivier Bonaventure wrote: > Dirk, > >> at IET93 in Prague we had a small informal meeting on hiaps issues >> discussing the NAT@RG use case with hybrid access (e.g. DSL+LTE) where for >> different access links and multiple devices (e.g. at home) behind the NAT a >> consistent and customer-configurable policy enforcement should be enabled. >> Some vendors say (e.g. A10 during bits'n'bytes) that in an SDN-based (vCPE) >> deployment this would be solved but I still like to see it working. >> Also at the 'hybrid aggregation bundling' barbof mentioned below we >> shortly presented our issues ... >> I hope there will be more activity on that in future - also on more >> generic approaches towards FMC-related heterogeneous link bundling - perhaps >> also stimulating our discussions ;-) > > > > Concerning FMC, you might be interested by the presentation given by KT > during the MPTCP working group. KT uses Multipath TCP to enable smartphones > to combine LTE and WiFi and reach higher bandwidth. > > See > http://recordings.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=IETF93_MPTCP&chapter=chapter_1 > starts at around minute 34 > > This service is commercially deployed and was launched in mid June. Although > it only runs on Samsung Galaxy S6, they already had 5500 active users on the > day of the presentation I think this is an application of Lollipop or Android 5.0 which enables the use of multiple network interfaces. It is end user or host oriented. Our interest is the wireline-wireless convergence usually aimed at reaching higher bandwidth at the CPE using bundling techniques with the wireless network. By the way, if anybody wants to be unsubscribed of this list, let us know. Regards, Behcet > > Olivier > > _______________________________________________ > hiaps mailing list > hiaps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps From nobody Wed Jul 29 08:59:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9321ABC74 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:59:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mv43MRDOCaHd for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp6.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (smtp.sgsi.ucl.ac.be [130.104.5.67]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDE31A9241 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbpobo.dhcp.info.ucl.ac.be (mbpobo.dhcp.info.ucl.ac.be [130.104.228.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: obonaventure@smtp6.sgsi.ucl.ac.be) by smtp6.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C1321834B2; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:56:54 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp6.sgsi.ucl.ac.be 4C1321834B2 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=uclouvain.be; s=selucl; t=1438185414; bh=Hfg1Y7DkNT1QjHjtWTtyFkUDflj7DAXTE2fnll8yw/Y=; h=Reply-To:Subject:References:To:Cc:From:Message-ID:Date: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fwBeKBvcPYh/uaDP7/cvHuWtbbTRfQteCe1DLahM8GNx4EczL0iK7k7BFFpt17dX/ lkJD9gW4Xqi1an4UiFF2wAbgd7bdb8kryW+MejhEEVeq+lmGdLi3yc8QrMj1R9ygWn B9cdjAqZDEIW6odVyLPL4Yk8YkrmVJDhZmjkO2Mo= References: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DCE5@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DD6E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DDE2@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4B0E99E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <55B8E16C.9090304@uclouvain.be> To: sarikaya@ieee.org From: Olivier Bonaventure Message-ID: <55B8F7CD.1090308@uclouvain.be> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:57:01 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99-beta1 at smtp-6.sipr-dc.ucl.ac.be X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Sgsi-Spamcheck: SASL authenticated, X-SGSI-MailScanner-ID: 4C1321834B2.A0A91 X-SGSI-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SGSI-From: olivier.bonaventure@uclouvain.be X-SGSI-Spam-Status: No Archived-At: Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com, "hiaps@ietf.org" , "roland.schott@telekom.de" , N.Leymann@telekom.de, "Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de" Subject: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof X-BeenThere: hiaps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be List-Id: "Host Identification, Address and Prefix Sharing in Wi-Fi Access \(hiaps\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 15:59:01 -0000 Behcet, >> >> Concerning FMC, you might be interested by the presentation given by KT >> during the MPTCP working group. KT uses Multipath TCP to enable smartphones >> to combine LTE and WiFi and reach higher bandwidth. >> >> See >> http://recordings.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=IETF93_MPTCP&chapter=chapter_1 >> starts at around minute 34 >> >> This service is commercially deployed and was launched in mid June. Although >> it only runs on Samsung Galaxy S6, they already had 5500 active users on the >> day of the presentation > > I think this is an application of Lollipop or Android 5.0 which > enables the use of multiple network interfaces. The deployment is based on a Multipath TCP kernel with a SOCKS proxy application on the smartphone and a SOCKS proxy running Multipath TCP in the operator's network. Thanks to the proxy, the operator can control the utilisation of the WiFi and LTE networks and this works with regular smartphone applications. > It is end user or host oriented. Our interest is the wireline-wireless > convergence usually aimed at reaching higher bandwidth at the CPE > using bundling techniques with the wireless network. This is clearly what they do since they reach 850 Mbps by combining fast LTE with fast WiFi. Olivier From nobody Thu Jul 30 00:29:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DA81AC3F8 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 00:29:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id axv_PSrvPQPj for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 00:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias245.francetelecom.com [80.12.204.245]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4AFF1AC402 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 00:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfeda06.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.199]) by omfeda09.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id DE071C0A98; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:29:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.31.41]) by omfeda06.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 94FE7C805D; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:29:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::8c90:f4e9:be28:2a1]) by OPEXCLILM31.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::2cc9:4bac:7b7d:229d%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:29:50 +0200 From: To: "sarikaya@ieee.org" , "Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be" Thread-Topic: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof Thread-Index: AdDFdzhnetc1D8k4SM+7xODkWnjNbQABFXFAAO7klYAAMH53AAADLssAACS4NgA= Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 07:29:49 +0000 Message-ID: <17487_1438241390_55B9D26E_17487_305_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F71160E8F24@OPEXCLILM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DCE5@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DD6E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DDE2@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4B0E99E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <55B8E16C.9090304@uclouvain.be> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.2.1.2478543, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2015.7.16.85415 Archived-At: Cc: "behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com" , "hiaps@ietf.org" , "Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de" , "N.Leymann@telekom.de" , "roland.schott@telekom.de" Subject: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof X-BeenThere: hiaps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Host Identification, Address and Prefix Sharing in Wi-Fi Access \(hiaps\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 07:29:56 -0000 Hi Behcet, With MPTCP proxy at the CPE side, MPTCP can be a bundling technique. Actual= ly, the IETF already has a bunch of techniques that can be used for hybrid = access; the challenge here would be to not reinvent the wheel. Pierrick > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: hiaps [mailto:hiaps-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Behcet Sarikaya > Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 29 juillet 2015 17:53 > =C0=A0: Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be > Cc=A0: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com; hiaps@ietf.org; roland.schott@telekom.d= e; > N.Leymann@telekom.de; Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de > Objet=A0: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof >=20 > Hi Olivier, >=20 > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Olivier Bonaventure > wrote: > > Dirk, > > > >> at IET93 in Prague we had a small informal meeting on hiaps issues > >> discussing the NAT@RG use case with hybrid access (e.g. DSL+LTE) > >> where for different access links and multiple devices (e.g. at home) > >> behind the NAT a consistent and customer-configurable policy enforceme= nt > should be enabled. > >> Some vendors say (e.g. A10 during bits'n'bytes) that in an SDN-based > >> (vCPE) deployment this would be solved but I still like to see it work= ing. > >> Also at the 'hybrid aggregation bundling' barbof mentioned below we > >> shortly presented our issues ... > >> I hope there will be more activity on that in future - also on more > >> generic approaches towards FMC-related heterogeneous link bundling - > >> perhaps also stimulating our discussions ;-) > > > > > > > > Concerning FMC, you might be interested by the presentation given by > > KT during the MPTCP working group. KT uses Multipath TCP to enable > > smartphones to combine LTE and WiFi and reach higher bandwidth. > > > > See > > http://recordings.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF93 > > _MPTCP&chapter=3Dchapter_1 > > starts at around minute 34 > > > > This service is commercially deployed and was launched in mid June. > > Although it only runs on Samsung Galaxy S6, they already had 5500 > > active users on the day of the presentation >=20 > I think this is an application of Lollipop or Android 5.0 which enables t= he use of > multiple network interfaces. >=20 > It is end user or host oriented. Our interest is the wireline-wireless co= nvergence > usually aimed at reaching higher bandwidth at the CPE using bundling tech= niques > with the wireless network. >=20 > By the way, if anybody wants to be unsubscribed of this list, let us know. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Behcet > > > > Olivier > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hiaps mailing list > > hiaps@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps >=20 > _______________________________________________ > hiaps mailing list > hiaps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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From nobody Thu Jul 30 00:44:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F43A1ACE37 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 00:44:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0N_Qun5Yg1Iv for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 00:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail13.telekom.de (tcmail13.telekom.de [80.149.113.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CF571ACE0F for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 00:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s4de8nsazdfe010.bmbg.telekom.de ([10.175.246.202]) by tcmail11.telekom.de with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2015 09:43:56 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,576,1432591200"; d="scan'208";a="715544535" Received: from he111628.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.20]) by q4de8nsa015.bmbg.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 30 Jul 2015 09:43:56 +0200 Received: from HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.124]) by HE111628.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([::1]) with mapi; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:43:56 +0200 From: To: , , Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:43:52 +0200 Thread-Topic: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof Thread-Index: AdDFdzhnetc1D8k4SM+7xODkWnjNbQABFXFAAO7klYAAMH53AAADLssAACS4NgAAAJyssA== Message-ID: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A31DA9D7212@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> References: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DCE5@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DD6E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DDE2@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4B0E99E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <55B8E16C.9090304@uclouvain.be> <17487_1438241390_55B9D26E_17487_305_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F71160E8F24@OPEXCLILM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <17487_1438241390_55B9D26E_17487_305_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F71160E8F24@OPEXCLILM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: de-DE Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com, hiaps@ietf.org, N.Leymann@telekom.de, Roland.Schott@telekom.de Subject: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof X-BeenThere: hiaps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Host Identification, Address and Prefix Sharing in Wi-Fi Access \(hiaps\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 07:44:02 -0000 Hi Pierrick, That's IMO one of the goals of the breakfast BoF on HA ... I assume that Ma= rgaret will send round some notes. Though MPTCP and LISP people were not present AFAICR Best Regards Dirk=20 -----Original Message----- From: pierrick.seite@orange.com [mailto:pierrick.seite@orange.com]=20 Sent: Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2015 09:30 To: sarikaya@ieee.org; Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com; hiaps@ietf.org; Schott, Roland; Leymann, Nic= olai; von Hugo, Dirk Subject: RE: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof Hi Behcet, With MPTCP proxy at the CPE side, MPTCP can be a bundling technique. Actual= ly, the IETF already has a bunch of techniques that can be used for hybrid = access; the challenge here would be to not reinvent the wheel. Pierrick > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: hiaps [mailto:hiaps-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Behcet=20 > Sarikaya Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 29 juillet 2015 17:53 =C0=A0:=20 > Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be Cc=A0: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com;=20 > hiaps@ietf.org; roland.schott@telekom.de; N.Leymann@telekom.de;=20 > Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Objet=A0: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof >=20 > Hi Olivier, >=20 > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Olivier Bonaventure=20 > wrote: > > Dirk, > > > >> at IET93 in Prague we had a small informal meeting on hiaps issues=20 > >> discussing the NAT@RG use case with hybrid access (e.g. DSL+LTE)=20 > >> where for different access links and multiple devices (e.g. at=20 > >> home) behind the NAT a consistent and customer-configurable policy=20 > >> enforcement > should be enabled. > >> Some vendors say (e.g. A10 during bits'n'bytes) that in an=20 > >> SDN-based > >> (vCPE) deployment this would be solved but I still like to see it work= ing. > >> Also at the 'hybrid aggregation bundling' barbof mentioned below=20 > >> we shortly presented our issues ... > >> I hope there will be more activity on that in future - also on more=20 > >> generic approaches towards FMC-related heterogeneous link bundling=20 > >> - perhaps also stimulating our discussions ;-) > > > > > > > > Concerning FMC, you might be interested by the presentation given by=20 > > KT during the MPTCP working group. KT uses Multipath TCP to enable=20 > > smartphones to combine LTE and WiFi and reach higher bandwidth. > > > > See > > http://recordings.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF > > 93 > > _MPTCP&chapter=3Dchapter_1 > > starts at around minute 34 > > > > This service is commercially deployed and was launched in mid June. > > Although it only runs on Samsung Galaxy S6, they already had 5500=20 > > active users on the day of the presentation >=20 > I think this is an application of Lollipop or Android 5.0 which=20 > enables the use of multiple network interfaces. >=20 > It is end user or host oriented. Our interest is the wireline-wireless=20 > convergence usually aimed at reaching higher bandwidth at the CPE=20 > using bundling techniques with the wireless network. >=20 > By the way, if anybody wants to be unsubscribed of this list, let us know= . >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Behcet > > > > Olivier > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hiaps mailing list > > hiaps@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps >=20 > _______________________________________________ > hiaps mailing list > hiaps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou = copies sans autorisation. 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From nobody Thu Jul 30 01:11:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992D61B2C18 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 01:11:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E_eC2k2lJpMd for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 01:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail43.telekom.de (tcmail43.telekom.de [80.149.113.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19F831B2B8B for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 01:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q4de8psa169.blf.telekom.de ([10.151.13.200]) by tcmail41.telekom.de with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2015 10:09:53 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,576,1432591200"; d="scan'208";a="881393470" Received: from he113676.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.99.29]) by q4de8psazkj.blf.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 30 Jul 2015 10:09:49 +0200 Received: from HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.124]) by HE113676.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([::1]) with mapi; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:09:49 +0200 From: To: , , Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:09:48 +0200 Thread-Topic: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof Thread-Index: AdDFdzhnetc1D8k4SM+7xODkWnjNbQABFXFAAO7klYAAMH53AAADLssAACS4NgAAAJyssAAA2BBQ Message-ID: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A31DA9D7274@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> References: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DCE5@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DD6E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DDE2@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4B0E99E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <55B8E16C.9090304@uclouvain.be> <17487_1438241390_55B9D26E_17487_305_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F71160E8F24@OPEXCLILM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A31DA9D7212@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> In-Reply-To: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A31DA9D7212@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> Accept-Language: de-DE Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com, hiaps@ietf.org, N.Leymann@telekom.de, Roland.Schott@telekom.de Subject: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof X-BeenThere: hiaps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Host Identification, Address and Prefix Sharing in Wi-Fi Access \(hiaps\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:11:07 -0000 Hi all, And BTW I just realized that the announced mailing list has already been se= t up http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg14401.ht= ml=20 with info at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/banana Banana -- Bandwid= th Aggregation for interNet Access: Discussion of bandwidth aggregation sol= utions based on IETF technologies However no postings are to be found there yet ... Best Regards Dirk=20 -----Original Message----- From: hiaps [mailto:hiaps-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of von Hugo, Dirk Sent: Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2015 09:44 To: pierrick.seite@orange.com; sarikaya@ieee.org; Olivier.Bonaventure@uclou= vain.be Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com; hiaps@ietf.org; Leymann, Nicolai; Schott, Ro= land Subject: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof Hi Pierrick, That's IMO one of the goals of the breakfast BoF on HA ... I assume that Ma= rgaret will send round some notes. Though MPTCP and LISP people were not present AFAICR Best Regards Dirk ----= -Original Message----- From: pierrick.seite@orange.com [mailto:pierrick.seite@orange.com] Sent: Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2015 09:30 To: sarikaya@ieee.org; Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com; hiaps@ietf.org; Schott, Roland; Leymann, Nic= olai; von Hugo, Dirk Subject: RE: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof Hi Behcet, With MPTCP proxy at the CPE side, MPTCP can be a bundling technique. Actual= ly, the IETF already has a bunch of techniques that can be used for hybrid = access; the challenge here would be to not reinvent the wheel. Pierrick > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: hiaps [mailto:hiaps-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Behcet=20 > Sarikaya Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 29 juillet 2015 17:53 =C0=A0: > Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be Cc=A0: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com;=20 > hiaps@ietf.org; roland.schott@telekom.de; N.Leymann@telekom.de;=20 > Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Objet=A0: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof >=20 > Hi Olivier, >=20 > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Olivier Bonaventure=20 > wrote: > > Dirk, > > > >> at IET93 in Prague we had a small informal meeting on hiaps issues=20 > >> discussing the NAT@RG use case with hybrid access (e.g. DSL+LTE)=20 > >> where for different access links and multiple devices (e.g. at > >> home) behind the NAT a consistent and customer-configurable policy=20 > >> enforcement > should be enabled. > >> Some vendors say (e.g. A10 during bits'n'bytes) that in an=20 > >> SDN-based > >> (vCPE) deployment this would be solved but I still like to see it work= ing. > >> Also at the 'hybrid aggregation bundling' barbof mentioned below=20 > >> we shortly presented our issues ... > >> I hope there will be more activity on that in future - also on more=20 > >> generic approaches towards FMC-related heterogeneous link bundling > >> - perhaps also stimulating our discussions ;-) > > > > > > > > Concerning FMC, you might be interested by the presentation given by=20 > > KT during the MPTCP working group. KT uses Multipath TCP to enable=20 > > smartphones to combine LTE and WiFi and reach higher bandwidth. > > > > See > > http://recordings.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF > > 93 > > _MPTCP&chapter=3Dchapter_1 > > starts at around minute 34 > > > > This service is commercially deployed and was launched in mid June. > > Although it only runs on Samsung Galaxy S6, they already had 5500=20 > > active users on the day of the presentation >=20 > I think this is an application of Lollipop or Android 5.0 which=20 > enables the use of multiple network interfaces. >=20 > It is end user or host oriented. Our interest is the wireline-wireless=20 > convergence usually aimed at reaching higher bandwidth at the CPE=20 > using bundling techniques with the wireless network. >=20 > By the way, if anybody wants to be unsubscribed of this list, let us know= . >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Behcet > > > > Olivier > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hiaps mailing list > > hiaps@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps >=20 > _______________________________________________ > hiaps mailing list > hiaps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou = copies sans autorisation. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ hiaps mailing list hiaps@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps From nobody Thu Jul 30 22:57:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hiaps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAE81B31DB; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 22:57:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6H38lAiGSGG1; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 22:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 094461B31C2; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 22:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BGT60149; Fri, 31 Jul 2015 00:56:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from NKGEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.39) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Fri, 31 Jul 2015 06:54:58 +0100 Received: from NKGEML512-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.227]) by nkgeml408-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.39]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:54:54 +0800 From: Mingui Zhang To: "Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de" , "pierrick.seite@orange.com" , "sarikaya@ieee.org" , "Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be" Thread-Topic: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof Thread-Index: AQHQygnqcIGgvNfbVkmYI0otgc11bJ3yEwIAgAEF1oCAAAPtAIAABz8AgAGu03A= Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 05:54:53 +0000 Message-ID: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E78714E2A5@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DCE5@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DD6E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4A7DDE2@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A30F4B0E99E@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <55B8E16C.9090304@uclouvain.be> <17487_1438241390_55B9D26E_17487_305_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F71160E8F24@OPEXCLILM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A31DA9D7212@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A31DA9D7274@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> In-Reply-To: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A31DA9D7274@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.146.93] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: "behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com" , "hiaps@ietf.org" , "banana@ietf.org" , "N.Leymann@telekom.de" , "Roland.Schott@telekom.de" Subject: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof X-BeenThere: hiaps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Host Identification, Address and Prefix Sharing in Wi-Fi Access \(hiaps\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 05:57:11 -0000 Hi Dirk, Thanks for the advertisement! For the CPE based DSL+LTE use case, which is the primary use case of Hybrid= Access, the basic requirement is to leave user's equipments unaware of the= change. The goal is to increase the access bandwidth by adding free LTE ba= ndwidth to the limited DSL bandwidth. I believe KT's experiment is not abou= t this use case.=20 1. The users' equipments are changed.=20 2. WIFI is used to increase the bandwidth of LTE. Because WIFI is cheaper t= han LTE? We can see 850 Mbps is greater than 300 Mbps (LTE MAX) but it is a= pparently less than 867 Mbps (WIFI MAX). So this is "LTE+" rather than "DSL= +LTE ", right? I saw the MPTCP proposal for the CPE based DSL+LTE use case. Generally, two= proxies are required. One is on the CPE and the other one is on an aggrega= tion point in front of the Internet. It faces some unsolved issues that oth= er solutions are also trying to solve. For example, how to let the traffic = of certain service types bypass the bonding bandwidth? How to report the by= passing bandwidth from the CPE to the aggregation point? The front page of BANANA list has done a nice harmonization. Let's discuss = there. Best regards, Mingui > -----Original Message----- > From: hiaps [mailto:hiaps-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 4:10 PM > To: pierrick.seite@orange.com; sarikaya@ieee.org; > Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be > Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com; hiaps@ietf.org; N.Leymann@telekom.de; > Roland.Schott@telekom.de > Subject: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof >=20 > Hi all, > And BTW I just realized that the announced mailing list has already been = set up > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg14401.html > with info at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/banana Banana -- > Bandwidth Aggregation for interNet Access: Discussion of bandwidth > aggregation solutions based on IETF technologies >=20 > However no postings are to be found there yet ... >=20 > Best Regards >=20 > Dirk >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: hiaps [mailto:hiaps-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of von Hugo, Dirk > Sent: Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2015 09:44 > To: pierrick.seite@orange.com; sarikaya@ieee.org; > Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be > Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com; hiaps@ietf.org; Leymann, Nicolai; Schott, > Roland > Subject: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof >=20 > Hi Pierrick, > That's IMO one of the goals of the breakfast BoF on HA ... I assume that > Margaret will send round some notes. > Though MPTCP and LISP people were not present AFAICR Best Regards Dirk > -----Original Message----- > From: pierrick.seite@orange.com [mailto:pierrick.seite@orange.com] > Sent: Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2015 09:30 > To: sarikaya@ieee.org; Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be > Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com; hiaps@ietf.org; Schott, Roland; Leymann, > Nicolai; von Hugo, Dirk > Subject: RE: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof >=20 > Hi Behcet, >=20 > With MPTCP proxy at the CPE side, MPTCP can be a bundling technique. > Actually, the IETF already has a bunch of techniques that can be used for= hybrid > access; the challenge here would be to not reinvent the wheel. >=20 > Pierrick >=20 > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De=A0: hiaps [mailto:hiaps-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Behcet > > Sarikaya Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 29 juillet 2015 17:53 =C0=A0: > > Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be Cc=A0: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com; > > hiaps@ietf.org; roland.schott@telekom.de; N.Leymann@telekom.de; > > Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Objet=A0: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof > > > > Hi Olivier, > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Olivier Bonaventure > > wrote: > > > Dirk, > > > > > >> at IET93 in Prague we had a small informal meeting on hiaps issues > > >> discussing the NAT@RG use case with hybrid access (e.g. DSL+LTE) > > >> where for different access links and multiple devices (e.g. at > > >> home) behind the NAT a consistent and customer-configurable policy > > >> enforcement > > should be enabled. > > >> Some vendors say (e.g. A10 during bits'n'bytes) that in an > > >> SDN-based > > >> (vCPE) deployment this would be solved but I still like to see it wo= rking. > > >> Also at the 'hybrid aggregation bundling' barbof mentioned below > > >> we shortly presented our issues ... > > >> I hope there will be more activity on that in future - also on more > > >> generic approaches towards FMC-related heterogeneous link bundling > > >> - perhaps also stimulating our discussions ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning FMC, you might be interested by the presentation given by > > > KT during the MPTCP working group. KT uses Multipath TCP to enable > > > smartphones to combine LTE and WiFi and reach higher bandwidth. > > > > > > See > > > http://recordings.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIET= F > > > 93 > > > _MPTCP&chapter=3Dchapter_1 > > > starts at around minute 34 > > > > > > This service is commercially deployed and was launched in mid June. > > > Although it only runs on Samsung Galaxy S6, they already had 5500 > > > active users on the day of the presentation > > > > I think this is an application of Lollipop or Android 5.0 which > > enables the use of multiple network interfaces. > > > > It is end user or host oriented. Our interest is the wireline-wireless > > convergence usually aimed at reaching higher bandwidth at the CPE > > using bundling techniques with the wireless network. > > > > By the way, if anybody wants to be unsubscribed of this list, let us kn= ow. > > > > Regards, > > > > Behcet > > > > > > Olivier > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > hiaps mailing list > > > hiaps@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hiaps mailing list > > hiaps@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps >=20 > ________________________________________________________________ > _________________________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exp= loites ou > copies sans autorisation. 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The goal is to increase the access bandwidth by adding free LTE > bandwidth to the limited DSL bandwidth. I believe KT's experiment is not = about this > use case. >=20 > 1. The users' equipments are changed. > 2. WIFI is used to increase the bandwidth of LTE. Because WIFI is cheaper= than > LTE? We can see 850 Mbps is greater than 300 Mbps (LTE MAX) but it is > apparently less than 867 Mbps (WIFI MAX). So this is "LTE+" rather than > "DSL+LTE ", right? >=20 > I saw the MPTCP proposal for the CPE based DSL+LTE use case. Generally, t= wo > proxies are required. One is on the CPE and the other one is on an aggreg= ation > point in front of the Internet. It faces some unsolved issues that other = solutions are > also trying to solve. For example, how to let the traffic of certain serv= ice types > bypass the bonding bandwidth?=20 Well... This is basic policy based routing as, implemented, for example, by= Linux/IPtables. Actually, I do not see problems that can't be solved with existing protocol= s/mechanisms... but, I may be wrong.... Pierrick How to report the bypassing bandwidth from the > CPE to the aggregation point? >=20 > The front page of BANANA list has done a nice harmonization. Let's discus= s there. >=20 > Best regards, > Mingui >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hiaps [mailto:hiaps-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > > Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de > > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 4:10 PM > > To: pierrick.seite@orange.com; sarikaya@ieee.org; > > Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be > > Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com; hiaps@ietf.org; N.Leymann@telekom.de; > > Roland.Schott@telekom.de > > Subject: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof > > > > Hi all, > > And BTW I just realized that the announced mailing list has already > > been set up > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg14401.ht > > ml with info at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/banana Banana -- > > Bandwidth Aggregation for interNet Access: Discussion of bandwidth > > aggregation solutions based on IETF technologies > > > > However no postings are to be found there yet ... > > > > Best Regards > > > > Dirk > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hiaps [mailto:hiaps-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of von Hugo, > > Dirk > > Sent: Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2015 09:44 > > To: pierrick.seite@orange.com; sarikaya@ieee.org; > > Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be > > Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com; hiaps@ietf.org; Leymann, Nicolai; > > Schott, Roland > > Subject: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof > > > > Hi Pierrick, > > That's IMO one of the goals of the breakfast BoF on HA ... I assume > > that Margaret will send round some notes. > > Though MPTCP and LISP people were not present AFAICR Best Regards Dirk > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pierrick.seite@orange.com [mailto:pierrick.seite@orange.com] > > Sent: Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2015 09:30 > > To: sarikaya@ieee.org; Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be > > Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com; hiaps@ietf.org; Schott, Roland; > > Leymann, Nicolai; von Hugo, Dirk > > Subject: RE: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof > > > > Hi Behcet, > > > > With MPTCP proxy at the CPE side, MPTCP can be a bundling technique. > > Actually, the IETF already has a bunch of techniques that can be used > > for hybrid access; the challenge here would be to not reinvent the whee= l. > > > > Pierrick > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De=A0: hiaps [mailto:hiaps-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Behcet > > > Sarikaya Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 29 juillet 2015 17:53 =C0=A0: > > > Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be Cc=A0: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com; > > > hiaps@ietf.org; roland.schott@telekom.de; N.Leymann@telekom.de; > > > Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Objet=A0: Re: [hiaps] Hybrid access bar bof > > > > > > Hi Olivier, > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Olivier Bonaventure > > > wrote: > > > > Dirk, > > > > > > > >> at IET93 in Prague we had a small informal meeting on hiaps > > > >> issues discussing the NAT@RG use case with hybrid access (e.g. > > > >> DSL+LTE) where for different access links and multiple devices > > > >> (e.g. at > > > >> home) behind the NAT a consistent and customer-configurable > > > >> policy enforcement > > > should be enabled. > > > >> Some vendors say (e.g. A10 during bits'n'bytes) that in an > > > >> SDN-based > > > >> (vCPE) deployment this would be solved but I still like to see it = working. > > > >> Also at the 'hybrid aggregation bundling' barbof mentioned below > > > >> we shortly presented our issues ... > > > >> I hope there will be more activity on that in future - also on > > > >> more generic approaches towards FMC-related heterogeneous link > > > >> bundling > > > >> - perhaps also stimulating our discussions ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning FMC, you might be interested by the presentation given > > > > by KT during the MPTCP working group. KT uses Multipath TCP to > > > > enable smartphones to combine LTE and WiFi and reach higher bandwid= th. > > > > > > > > See > > > > http://recordings.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIE > > > > TF > > > > 93 > > > > _MPTCP&chapter=3Dchapter_1 > > > > starts at around minute 34 > > > > > > > > This service is commercially deployed and was launched in mid June. > > > > Although it only runs on Samsung Galaxy S6, they already had 5500 > > > > active users on the day of the presentation > > > > > > I think this is an application of Lollipop or Android 5.0 which > > > enables the use of multiple network interfaces. > > > > > > It is end user or host oriented. Our interest is the > > > wireline-wireless convergence usually aimed at reaching higher > > > bandwidth at the CPE using bundling techniques with the wireless netw= ork. > > > > > > By the way, if anybody wants to be unsubscribed of this list, let us = know. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Behcet > > > > > > > > Olivier > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > hiaps mailing list > > > > hiaps@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > hiaps mailing list > > > hiaps@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiaps > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, > > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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