From hiccup-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 20 08:40:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTdda-0004S8-04; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:40:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTddZ-0004S3-AN for hiccup@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:40:25 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTddY-0000ei-0r for hiccup@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:40:25 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Mar 2007 12:40:22 -0000 Received: from dhcp-1453.ietf68.org (EHLO [130.129.20.83]) [130.129.20.83] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 20 Mar 2007 13:40:22 +0100 X-Authenticated: #29516787 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+UTmtPDUSUni/uJaBQ7bfQccuvVJ6jR9b+HlDhfU QQrDVPiG39IF7Y Message-ID: <45FFD633.3080905@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:40:19 +0100 From: Hannes Tschofenig User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hiccup@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Subject: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship X-BeenThere: hiccup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Harnessing IP for Critical Communications Using Precedence \(HICCUP\) list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: hiccup-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I would like to understand what the relationship to IEPREP is. Is there more information available regarding the scope and purpose of the work (other than what's written at https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup) Ciao Hannes _______________________________________________ HICCUP mailing list HICCUP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup From hiccup-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 20 10:53:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTfiU-0000N4-4T; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:53:38 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTfiS-0000My-DD for hiccup@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:53:36 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTfiN-0008JP-Jn for hiccup@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:53:36 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Mar 2007 07:53:31 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2KErVQw018875 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:53:31 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2KErVMF005609 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:53:31 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:53:30 -0700 Received: from jmpolk-wxp.cisco.com ([10.21.117.159]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:53:29 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:53:26 -0500 To: hiccup@ietf.org From: "James M. Polk" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2007 14:53:30.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[86576E30:01C76AFF] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2; t=1174402411; x=1175266411; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22James=20M.=20Polk=22=20 |Subject:=20test=20-=20please=20ignore |Sender:=20; bh=frcCV1k9oG9oKj3dpUqdJg1PxRT2RSN/XKdLCPjaYaY=; b=KqwABrL4NrN+Lr3LGI95k6ZHjEJYrUWm58y2E6Ka/zTAL0TsSym6oL/6l5Ie2w4kePe04dZq 4J3h5x56Kv665VV6ohjgDFBhdpRwY3ZZuqYhmaSRs3UVCQ4/RiLaW0WS; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=jmpolk@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2eba37fe9c77781b0ecb0a74d8c65128 Subject: [HICCUP] test - please ignore X-BeenThere: hiccup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Harnessing IP for Critical Communications Using Precedence \(HICCUP\) list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: hiccup-bounces@ietf.org _______________________________________________ HICCUP mailing list HICCUP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup From hiccup-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 20 10:59:32 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTfoC-0002ns-75; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:59:32 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTfoA-0002nO-Ec; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:59:30 -0400 Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org ([192.160.51.76]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTfo5-0000c7-TY; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:59:30 -0400 Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id l2KExJJL003215; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:59:19 -0400 Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A77BF01; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imcfe2.MITRE.ORG (imcfe2.mitre.org [129.83.29.4]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2KExIBi003201; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:59:18 -0400 Received: from IMCSRV4.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.20.161]) by imcfe2.MITRE.ORG with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:59:18 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:59:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1DBEE96549590F4EA69B769AEE46AAD5013E737D@IMCSRV4.MITRE.ORG> In-Reply-To: <45FFD633.3080905@gmx.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship Thread-Index: Acdq7O/wIdzV1xoCTrexDm5kfMfP5gAEZq1A References: <45FFD633.3080905@gmx.net> From: "King, Kimberly S." To: "Hannes Tschofenig" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2007 14:59:18.0548 (UTC) FILETIME=[55B58540:01C76B00] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Cc: ieprep@ietf.org X-BeenThere: hiccup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Harnessing IP for Critical Communications Using Precedence \(HICCUP\) list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: hiccup-bounces@ietf.org Hannes, IEPREP did useful work in this area but did not achieve the re-charter process. =20 The IESG had some concerns. See=20 http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ieprep/current/msg02572.html and hence a BOF is needed in order to further the work incorporating the IESG feedback. =20 My understanding is that ieprep will officially be shut-down. We are discussing holding a HICCUP BOF in Chicago will provide the starting point. Kimberly =20 -----Original Message----- From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 1:40 PM To: hiccup@ietf.org Subject: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship Hi all, I would like to understand what the relationship to IEPREP is. Is there more information available regarding the scope and purpose of=20 the work (other than what's written at=20 https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup) Ciao Hannes _______________________________________________ HICCUP mailing list HICCUP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup _______________________________________________ HICCUP mailing list HICCUP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup From hiccup-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 20 11:17:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTg5x-00025t-Oa; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:17:53 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTg5v-00024A-TE for hiccup@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:17:51 -0400 Received: from mailgate-internal2.sri.com ([128.18.84.104]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTg5t-0003WT-6G for hiccup@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:17:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (HELO mailgate-internal2.SRI.COM) (127.0.0.1) by mailgate-internal2.sri.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2007 15:17:46 -0000 Received: from srimail1.sri.com ([128.18.30.11]) by mailgate-internal2.SRI.COM (SMSSMTP 4.1.11.41) with SMTP id M2007032008174606860 ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:17:46 -0700 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-144f.ietf68.org [130.129.20.79]) by mail.sri.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JF700M0YJTI97H3@mail.sri.com>; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:17:42 +0100 From: Ed Jankiewicz Subject: Re: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship In-reply-to: <1DBEE96549590F4EA69B769AEE46AAD5013E737D@IMCSRV4.MITRE.ORG> To: hiccup@ietf.org Message-id: <45FFFB16.8070707@sri.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <45FFD633.3080905@gmx.net> <1DBEE96549590F4EA69B769AEE46AAD5013E737D@IMCSRV4.MITRE.ORG> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Cc: ieprep@ietf.org X-BeenThere: hiccup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Harnessing IP for Critical Communications Using Precedence \(HICCUP\) list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: hiccup-bounces@ietf.org I am interested in contributing to this effort, however I don't want to take up time rehashing the history if it can be avoided. Other than reading back through the IEPREP list, is there anywhere a summary of the lessons learned there? What goals should and should not be carried over to the new effort? Any contributions, notes, incipient drafts, etc. that are worth developing further? Pits to avoid falling into? thanks Ed J. King, Kimberly S. wrote: > Hannes, > > IEPREP did useful work in this area but did not achieve the re-charter > process. > The IESG had some concerns. See > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ieprep/current/msg02572.html and > hence > a BOF is needed in order to further the work incorporating the IESG > feedback. > > My understanding is that ieprep will officially be shut-down. We are > discussing holding a HICCUP BOF in Chicago will provide the starting > point. > > Kimberly > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 1:40 PM > To: hiccup@ietf.org > Subject: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship > > Hi all, > > I would like to understand what the relationship to IEPREP is. > Is there more information available regarding the scope and purpose of > the work (other than what's written at > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup) > > Ciao > Hannes > > > _______________________________________________ > HICCUP mailing list > HICCUP@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup > > _______________________________________________ > HICCUP mailing list > HICCUP@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup > _______________________________________________ HICCUP mailing list HICCUP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup From hiccup-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 20 11:23:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTgBT-00040E-Jp; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:23:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTgBS-000404-7a; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:23:34 -0400 Received: from mclniron02-ext.bah.com ([156.80.1.73]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTgBO-0004Lp-1z; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:23:34 -0400 Received: from bahmail.bah.com (HELO mclnexbh02.resource.ds.bah.com) ([156.80.7.152]) by mclniron02-ext.bah.com with ESMTP; 20 Mar 2007 11:22:40 -0400 x-SBRS: None X-REMOTE-IP: 156.80.7.152 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,304,1170651600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="151217480:sNHT3276486912" Received: from MCLNEXVS12.resource.ds.bah.com ([156.80.7.214]) by mclnexbh02.resource.ds.bah.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:22:37 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:21:22 -0400 Message-ID: <46E7B21EF4A45749B2432ABDCDE6FEA1018C6869@MCLNEXVS12.resource.ds.bah.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship Thread-Index: AcdrA0DFxyExdqfERQq9BFo42dLbfAAACowN References: <45FFD633.3080905@gmx.net><1DBEE96549590F4EA69B769AEE46AAD5013E737D@IMCSRV4.MITRE.ORG> <45FFFB16.8070707@sri.com> From: "Christou, Christos" To: "Ed Jankiewicz" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2007 15:22:37.0606 (UTC) FILETIME=[979CD460:01C76B03] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21bf7a2f1643ae0bf20c1e010766eb78 Cc: ieprep@ietf.org X-BeenThere: hiccup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Harnessing IP for Critical Communications Using Precedence \(HICCUP\) list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0420066203==" Errors-To: hiccup-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0420066203== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76B03.9764B0E3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76B03.9764B0E3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do not have a reference for what you describe. However, I think the intention of today's discussion was to gauge where = to head from here since the IEPREP did not achieve the re-charter. ________________________________ From: Ed Jankiewicz [mailto:edward.jankiewicz@sri.com] Sent: Tue 3/20/2007 11:17 AM To: hiccup@ietf.org Cc: ieprep@ietf.org Subject: Re: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship I am interested in contributing to this effort, however I don't want to take up time rehashing the history if it can be avoided. Other than reading back through the IEPREP list, is there anywhere a summary of the lessons learned there? What goals should and should not be carried over to the new effort? Any contributions, notes, incipient drafts, etc. that are worth developing further? Pits to avoid falling into? thanks Ed J. King, Kimberly S. wrote: > Hannes, > > IEPREP did useful work in this area but did not achieve the re-charter > process.=20 > The IESG had some concerns. See > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ieprep/current/msg02572.html and > hence > a BOF is needed in order to further the work incorporating the IESG > feedback. =20 > > My understanding is that ieprep will officially be shut-down. We are > discussing holding a HICCUP BOF in Chicago will provide the starting > point. > > Kimberly >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 1:40 PM > To: hiccup@ietf.org > Subject: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship > > Hi all, > > I would like to understand what the relationship to IEPREP is. > Is there more information available regarding the scope and purpose of > the work (other than what's written at > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup) > > Ciao > Hannes > > > _______________________________________________ > HICCUP mailing list > HICCUP@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup > > _______________________________________________ > HICCUP mailing list > HICCUP@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup > =20 _______________________________________________ HICCUP mailing list HICCUP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76B03.9764B0E3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
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I do not have = a reference for what you describe.
=0A=
However, I = think the intention of today's discussion was to gauge where to head = from here since the IEPREP did not achieve the = re-charter.
=0A=

=0A=
=0A= From: Ed Jankiewicz = [mailto:edward.jankiewicz@sri.com]
Sent: Tue 3/20/2007 11:17 = AM
To: hiccup@ietf.org
Cc: = ieprep@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [HICCUP] IEPREP = Relationship

=0A=
=0A=

I am interested in contributing to this effort, = however I don't want to
take up time rehashing the history if it can = be avoided.  Other than
reading back through the IEPREP list, is = there anywhere a summary of the
lessons learned there?  What = goals should and should not be carried over
to the new effort?  = Any contributions, notes, incipient drafts, etc.
that are worth = developing further?   Pits to avoid falling = into?

thanks
Ed J.

King, Kimberly S. wrote:
> = Hannes,
>
> IEPREP did useful work in this area but did not = achieve the re-charter
> process. 
> The IESG had some = concerns. See
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ieprep/current/msg02572.html= and
> hence
> a BOF is needed in order to further the work = incorporating the IESG
> feedback.  
>
> My = understanding is that ieprep will officially be shut-down. We = are
> discussing holding a HICCUP BOF in Chicago will provide the = starting
> point.
>
> = Kimberly
> 
>
> -----Original = Message-----
> From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.ne= t]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 1:40 PM
> To: = hiccup@ietf.org
> Subject: [HICCUP] IEPREP = Relationship
>
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to = understand what the relationship to IEPREP is.
> Is there more = information available regarding the scope and purpose of
> the = work (other than what's written at
> https://www1.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup)
>
> Ciao
> = Hannes
>
>
> = _______________________________________________
> HICCUP mailing = list
> HICCUP@ietf.org
> https://www1.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup
>
> = _______________________________________________
> HICCUP mailing = list
> HICCUP@ietf.org
> https://www1.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup
>  


__________= _____________________________________
HICCUP mailing = list
HICCUP@ietf.org
https://www1.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup

------_=_NextPart_001_01C76B03.9764B0E3-- --===============0420066203== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ HICCUP mailing list HICCUP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup --===============0420066203==-- From hiccup-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 21 03:35:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTvM4-0006qz-89; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:35:32 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTvM3-0006qm-4C for hiccup@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:35:31 -0400 Received: from mailgate-internal2.sri.com ([128.18.84.104]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTvM1-0004Av-I8 for hiccup@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:35:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (HELO mailgate-internal2.SRI.COM) (127.0.0.1) by mailgate-internal2.sri.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2007 07:35:26 -0000 Received: from srimail1.sri.com ([128.18.30.11]) by mailgate-internal2.SRI.COM (SMSSMTP 4.1.11.41) with SMTP id M2007032100352500061 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:35:25 -0700 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-4009.ietf68.org [130.129.64.9]) by mail.sri.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JF800MF0T2Z97U3@mail.sri.com> for hiccup@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:35:20 +0100 From: Ed Jankiewicz To: hiccup@ietf.org Message-id: <4600E038.8020003@sri.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Subject: [HICCUP] IPv6 saves lives X-BeenThere: hiccup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Harnessing IP for Critical Communications Using Precedence \(HICCUP\) list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: hiccup-bounces@ietf.org We hope. If you think there is no awareness in the general public of this real-world need (and the arcane networking technology that may help meet it) check out this local (DC) news feature on "The IPv6". Some of our colleagues are making a living by commercializing and promoting IPv6 as a real-world problem solver. http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=2719015&version=1&locale=EN-US _______________________________________________ HICCUP mailing list HICCUP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup From hiccup-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 21 05:04:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTwkK-0008Q6-Gw; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:04:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTwkI-0008Q0-IG for hiccup@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:04:38 -0400 Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org ([192.160.51.76] helo=smtp-bedford.mitre.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTwkE-0003oF-6t for hiccup@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:04:38 -0400 Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id l2L94VZQ019673 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:04:31 -0400 Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE18BEFB for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imcfe2.MITRE.ORG (imcfe2.mitre.org [129.83.29.4]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2L94Vgu019664; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:04:31 -0400 Received: from IMCSRV4.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.20.161]) by imcfe2.MITRE.ORG with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:04:31 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:04:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1DBEE96549590F4EA69B769AEE46AAD5013E74DA@IMCSRV4.MITRE.ORG> In-Reply-To: <45FFFB16.8070707@sri.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship Thread-Index: AcdrAuxW72B2KeksTcyEl9sVrDJ58gAk2jOQ References: <45FFD633.3080905@gmx.net> <1DBEE96549590F4EA69B769AEE46AAD5013E737D@IMCSRV4.MITRE.ORG> <45FFFB16.8070707@sri.com> From: "King, Kimberly S." To: "Ed Jankiewicz" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2007 09:04:31.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFF98790:01C76B97] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10d3e4e3c32e363f129e380e644649be Cc: X-BeenThere: hiccup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Harnessing IP for Critical Communications Using Precedence \(HICCUP\) list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: hiccup-bounces@ietf.org Ed, My view of lessons learned and pitfalls include: Do not argue about solutions before defining the problem to be solved. Document that problem to be solved in an internet draft, not just in email on the list. Also document the assumptions. Document any relevant constraints. If different yet relevant environments have different constraints, document that too. =20 For the work done, see the RFC's produced by checking the ieprep charter page. There are other related RfCs and the eventual charter will have these references. Kimberly -----Original Message----- From: Ed Jankiewicz [mailto:edward.jankiewicz@sri.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:18 PM To: hiccup@ietf.org Cc: King, Kimberly S.; Hannes Tschofenig; ieprep@ietf.org Subject: Re: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship I am interested in contributing to this effort, however I don't want to take up time rehashing the history if it can be avoided. Other than=20 reading back through the IEPREP list, is there anywhere a summary of the=20 lessons learned there? What goals should and should not be carried over=20 to the new effort? Any contributions, notes, incipient drafts, etc.=20 that are worth developing further? Pits to avoid falling into? thanks Ed J. King, Kimberly S. wrote: > Hannes, > > IEPREP did useful work in this area but did not achieve the re-charter > process. =20 > The IESG had some concerns. See=20 > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ieprep/current/msg02572.html and > hence > a BOF is needed in order to further the work incorporating the IESG > feedback. =20 > > My understanding is that ieprep will officially be shut-down. We are > discussing holding a HICCUP BOF in Chicago will provide the starting > point. > > Kimberly > =20 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 1:40 PM > To: hiccup@ietf.org > Subject: [HICCUP] IEPREP Relationship > > Hi all, > > I would like to understand what the relationship to IEPREP is. > Is there more information available regarding the scope and purpose of=20 > the work (other than what's written at=20 > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup) > > Ciao > Hannes > > > _______________________________________________ > HICCUP mailing list > HICCUP@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup > > _______________________________________________ > HICCUP mailing list > HICCUP@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup > =20 _______________________________________________ HICCUP mailing list HICCUP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup From hiccup-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 28 16:24:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWehF-0007Oz-Vu; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:24:41 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWehD-0007Nk-VS for hiccup@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:24:39 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWeh9-0000Z7-NJ for hiccup@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:24:39 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Mar 2007 19:57:53 -0000 Received: from ip-90-186-88-144.web.vodafone.de (EHLO [90.186.88.144]) [90.186.88.144] by mail.gmx.net (mp031) with SMTP; 28 Mar 2007 21:57:53 +0200 X-Authenticated: #29516787 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19OuowgVNROnlcLyJ65pHjRA/ASKnRle6zwckkvI6 ivV1vVQNjLulYk Message-ID: <460AC8C0.2040505@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:57:52 +0200 From: Hannes Tschofenig User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hiccup@ietf.org, ieprep@ietf.org References: <1DBEE96549590F4EA69B769AEE46AAD5013E72D2@IMCSRV4.MITRE.ORG> In-Reply-To: <1DBEE96549590F4EA69B769AEE46AAD5013E72D2@IMCSRV4.MITRE.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: Subject: [HICCUP] SDO Emergency Service Workshop 2007 X-BeenThere: hiccup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Harnessing IP for Critical Communications Using Precedence \(HICCUP\) list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: hiccup-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, some of you might be interested in this workshop about citizen-to-authority emergency services: http://www.emergency-services-coordination.info/2007/ Ciao Hannes _______________________________________________ HICCUP mailing list HICCUP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hiccup