From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 7 08:00:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB3D3A6ABD; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 3FD373A69F9; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:00:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080707150001.3FD373A69F9@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hipsec@ietf.org Subject: [Hipsec] I-D Action:draft-ietf-hip-applications-04.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : Using the Host Identity Protocol with Legacy Applications Author(s) : T. Henderson, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-hip-applications-04.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2008-07-07 This document is an informative overview of how legacy applications can be made to work with the Host Identity Protocol (HIP). HIP proposes to add a cryptographic name space for network stack names. >From an application viewpoint, HIP-enabled systems support a new address family of host identifiers, but it may be a long time until such HIP-aware applications are widely deployed even if host systems are upgraded. This informational document discusses implementation and Application Programming Interface (API) issues relating to using HIP in situations in which the system is HIP-aware but the applications are not, and is intended to aid implementors and early adopters in thinking about and locally solving systems issues regarding the incremental deployment of HIP. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hip-applications-04.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-hip-applications-04.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-07-07075219.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec --NextPart-- From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 9 03:52:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6954528C13F; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 03:52:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 1FD043A6AC1; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: IESG Secretary To: IETF Announcement list Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080708190858.1FD043A6AC1@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:08:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:52:36 -0700 Cc: hipsec@ietf.org, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com Subject: [Hipsec] WG Action: RECHARTER: Host Identity Protocol (hip) X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org The charter of the Host Identity Protocol (hip) working group in the Internet Area of the IETF has been updated. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the working group Chairs. Host Identity Protocol (hip) ---------------------------- Last Modified: 2008-05-31 Current Status: Active Working Group Chair(s): o David Ward o Gonzalo Camarillo Internet Area Director(s): o Jari Arkko o Mark Townsley Internet Area Advisor: o Mark Townsley Mailing Lists: General Discussion: hipsec@ietf.org To Subscribe: http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hipsec/index.html Description of Working Group: The Host Identity Protocol (HIP) provides a method of separating the end-point identifier and locator roles of IP addresses. It introduces a new Host Identity (HI) name space, based on public keys. The public keys are typically, but not necessarily, self generated. The specifications for the architecture and protocol details for these mechanisms consist of: HIP Architecture (RFC 4423) Host Identity Protocol (RFC 5201) There are several publicly known interoperating implementations, some of which are open source. Currently, the HIP base protocol works well with any pair of co-operating end-hosts. However, to be more useful and more widely deployable, HIP needs some support from the existing infrastructure, including the DNS, and a new piece of infrastructure, called the HIP rendezvous server. +-------------------------------------------------------+ | The purpose of this Working Group is to define the | | minimal infrastructure elements that are needed for | | HIP experimentation on a wide scale. | +-------------------------------------------------------+ At this point, the missing elements for running such wide-scale experiments are a NAT traversal solution, a description on the interactions between legacy (i.e., HIP unaware) applications and HIP, and a native API for HIP. Additionally, the working group will specify, also in Experimental RFCs, how to build HIP-based overlays. HIP-based overlays have received a lot of attention in different fora and are seen as a key area for HIP experimentation where the benefits HIP brings may be most relevant. Note that even though the specifications are chartered for Experimental, it is understood that their quality and security properties should match the standards track requirements. The main purpose for producing Experimental documents instead of standards track ones are the unknown effects that the mechanisms may have on applications and on the Internet at large. In parallel to this working group, there is an IRTF Research Group with a broader scope that includes efforts both on developing the more forward looking aspects of the HIP architecture and on exploring the effects that HIP may have on the applications and the Internet. The following are charter items for the working group: o Specify how legacy (i.e., HIP unaware) applications can be made to work with HIP. o Specify a solution for HIP to traverse legacy (i.e., HIP unaware) NATs. This solution will be based on existing NAT traversal mechanisms such as ICE (Interactive Connectivity Establishment). o Specify a native HIP socket API. o Specify a framework to build HIP-based overlays. This framework will describe how HIP can perform some of the tasks needed to build an overlay and how technologies developed somewhere else (e.g., a peer protocol developed in the P2PSIP WG) can complement HIP by performing the tasks HIP was not designed to perform. o Specify how to generate ORCHIDs from other node identifiers including both cryptographic ones (leading to cryptographic delegation) and non-cryptographic ones (e.g., identifiers defined by a peer protocol). o Specify how to carry certificates in the base exchange. This was removed from the base HIP spec so that the mechanism is specified in a stand-alone spec. o Specify how to carry upper-layer data over specified HIP packets. These include some of the existing HIP packets and possibly new HIP packets (e.g., a HIP packet that occurs outside a HIP base exchange). Goals and Milestones: Done First version of the HIP basic mobility and multi-homing mechanism specification. Done First version of the HIP DNS resource record(s) specification. Done First version of the HIP basic rendezvous mechanism specification. Done WGLC on the HIP architecture specification Done Submit the HIP architecture specification to the IESG Done WG LC on the base protocol specification Done WG LC on the ESP usage specification Done WGLC the HIP registration extensions specification Done WGLC the HIP DNS resource record(s) specification Done WG LC on the basic HIP rendezvous mechanism specification. Done Submit the ESP usage specification to the IESG for Experimental Done Submit the base protocol specification to the IESG for Experimental Done WG LC on the HIP basic mobility and multi-homing specification. Done Submit the HIP registration extensions specification for Experimental Done Submit the HIP DNS resource record(s) specification to the IESG for Experimental. Done Submit the HIP basic mobility and multihoming specification to the IESG for Experimental. Done Submit the basic HIP rendezvous mechanism specification to the IESG for Experimental. Done WGLC Legacy Application Interworking specification Done Submit the Legacy Application Interworking specification to the IESG Dec 2008 WGLC Legacy NAT traversal specification Feb 2009 Submit the Legacy NAT traversal specification to the IESG Feb 2009 WGLC Native API specification Apr 2009 Submit Native API specification to the IESG Apr 2009 WGLC Framework for HIP overlays specification Jul 2009 Submit Framework for HIP overlays specification to the IESG Apr 2009 WGLC ORCHID generation specification Jul 2009 Submit ORCHID generation specification to the IESG Apr 2009 WGLC Certs in HIP base exchange specification Jul 2009 Submit Certs in HIP base exchange specification to the IESG Apr 2009 WGLC Upper-layer data transport in HIP Jul 2009 SubmitUpper-layer data transport in HIP to the IESG Jul 2009 Recharter or close the WG _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 10 00:29:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFDE3A6962; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:29:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECE83A687C for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:29:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mCOmxyvnQPki for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (mailgw3.ericsson.se [193.180.251.60]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42253A6962 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id D6CF720B11; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:29:39 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-b009fbb00000193b-67-4875ba633723 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id B31F720B69; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:29:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.172]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:29:37 +0200 Received: from [131.160.37.21] ([131.160.37.21]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:29:37 +0200 Message-ID: <4875BA61.10104@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:29:37 +0300 From: Gonzalo Camarillo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: HIP X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2008 07:29:37.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[B52408E0:01C8E25E] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [Hipsec] New WG items based on our new charter X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Hi, as you know, our new charter has just been approved: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/hip-charter.html Now we need to finish our old chartered items and start working on our new ones. Below you have the list of all (old and new) chartered items with their current status. We need a WG draft for each of our chartered items. For some of them we already have individual submissions that could become WG items. Please, let us know whether you support the given individual submission to become the official draft for that chartered item or if you want us to consider additional drafts. For other chartered items, we still do not even have a related individual submission (although we know of people working of those issues). We encourage those people to submit a draft on those topics for the WG's consideration. > The following are charter items for the working group: > > o Specify how legacy (i.e., HIP unaware) applications can be made to > work with HIP. The authors of the official draft are working on addressing the discusses received: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hip-applications-04.txt > o Specify a solution for HIP to traverse legacy (i.e., HIP unaware) > NATs. This solution will be based on existing NAT traversal > mechanisms such as ICE (Interactive Connectivity Establishment). We have a design team working on this. They are working with the MMUSIC folks in order to reuse their definitions of the ICE procedures. > o Specify a native HIP socket API. We have an official draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hip-native-api-04.txt Some time ago, we decided to wait for the NAT traversal and HIP-based overlays work to be more mature before publishing this draft. This way, the API defined by the draft will have better chances to be future proof. > o Specify a framework to build HIP-based overlays. This framework > will describe how HIP can perform some of the tasks needed to build > an overlay and how technologies developed somewhere else (e.g., a > peer protocol developed in the P2PSIP WG) can complement HIP by > performing the tasks HIP was not designed to perform. We have the following individual submission: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-camarillo-hip-bone-01.txt Would people support this draft to become a WG item? > o Specify how to generate ORCHIDs from other node identifiers > including both cryptographic ones (leading to cryptographic > delegation) and non-cryptographic ones (e.g., identifiers defined by > a peer protocol). We still do not have any individual submission for this chartered item. > o Specify how to carry certificates in the base exchange. This was > removed from the base HIP spec so that the mechanism is specified in > a stand-alone spec. We have the following individual submission: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-varjonen-hip-cert-00.txt Would people support this draft to become a WG item? > o Specify how to carry upper-layer data over specified HIP packets. > These include some of the existing HIP packets and possibly new HIP > packets (e.g., a HIP packet that occurs outside a HIP base exchange). > We still do not have any individual submission for this chartered item. Thanks, Gonzalo HIP co-chair _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 10 00:40:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77A13A67F2; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:40:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11863A67F2 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:40:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bwhuzPrE2kR8 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi (creon.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AAC03A67A3 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DCF21AF7D; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:41:08 +0300 (EEST) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (creon.otaverkko.fi [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31292-09; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:41:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from argo.otaverkko.fi (argo.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.2]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260A321AF35; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:41:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [82.130.20.68] (hil4.kyla.fi [82.130.20.68]) by argo.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E55E25ED06; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:41:00 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4875BD1E.9050002@hiit.fi> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:41:18 +0300 From: Miika Komu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gonzalo Camarillo References: <4875BA61.10104@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4875BA61.10104@ericsson.com> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at otaverkko.fi Cc: HIP Subject: Re: [Hipsec] New WG items based on our new charter X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: miika@iki.fi List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: Hi, >> o Specify a framework to build HIP-based overlays. This framework >> will describe how HIP can perform some of the tasks needed to build >> an overlay and how technologies developed somewhere else (e.g., a >> peer protocol developed in the P2PSIP WG) can complement HIP by >> performing the tasks HIP was not designed to perform. > > We have the following individual submission: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-camarillo-hip-bone-01.txt > > Would people support this draft to become a WG item? Yes. >> o Specify how to carry certificates in the base exchange. This was >> removed from the base HIP spec so that the mechanism is specified in >> a stand-alone spec. > > We have the following individual submission: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-varjonen-hip-cert-00.txt > > Would people support this draft to become a WG item? Yes. _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 10 01:11:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DF83A699C; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:11:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622B63A69A2 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:11:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5b-SR3ArHIV7 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (szxga03-in.huawei.com [119.145.14.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0543A699C for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K3S00AO06QXEY@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for hipsec@ietf.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:11:21 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K3S002IB6QXQV@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for hipsec@ietf.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:11:21 +0800 (CST) Received: from J66104 ([10.111.12.106]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K3S005CX6QTJ9@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for hipsec@ietf.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:11:21 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:11:17 +0800 From: Sheng Jiang In-reply-to: <4875BA61.10104@ericsson.com> To: 'Gonzalo Camarillo' , 'HIP' Message-id: <001701c8e264$87b39780$6a0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AcjiXuLNpmAlW3o1ToevGwLFbj+0SAABKt5w Subject: Re: [Hipsec] New WG items based on our new charter X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org >>> o Specify a framework to build HIP-based overlays. This >>framework will >>> describe how HIP can perform some of the tasks needed to build an >>> overlay and how technologies developed somewhere else (e.g., a peer >>> protocol developed in the P2PSIP WG) can complement HIP by >>performing >>> the tasks HIP was not designed to perform. >> >>We have the following individual submission: >> >>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-camarillo-hip-bone-01.txt >> >>Would people support this draft to become a WG item? Yes, I support this draft. >>> o Specify how to carry certificates in the base exchange. This was >>> removed from the base HIP spec so that the mechanism is >>specified in a >>> stand-alone spec. >> >>We have the following individual submission: >> >>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-varjonen-hip-cert-00.txt >> >>Would people support this draft to become a WG item? Yes, I support this draft. >>> o Specify how to carry upper-layer data over specified HIP packets. >>> These include some of the existing HIP packets and possibly new HIP >>> packets (e.g., a HIP packet that occurs outside a HIP base >>exchange). >>> >>We still do not have any individual submission for this >>chartered item. I am interested to work on this. If anybody else is interested too, we can team up for it. If this work has already taken by somebody and close to finish, please let me know too. Sheng JIANG, Ph.D. IP Research Department, Networking Research Department, Network Product Line, Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 10 01:21:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20813A6965; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586573A6940 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.631 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.631 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_103=0.327, J_CHICKENPOX_65=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w0tf49VHlIC5 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp.cnnic.cn [159.226.7.146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 057583A6965 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (eyou send program); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:21:23 +0800 Message-ID: <415678083.28004@cnnic.cn> Received: from 218.241.111.38 by mail.cnnic.cn with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:21:23 +0800 X-WebMAIL-MUA: [218.241.111.38] From: "=?gb2312?B?wt7N8sP3?=" To: shengjiang@huawei.com, Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com, hipsec@ietf.org Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:21:23 +0800 X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [Hipsec] New WG items based on our new charter X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?gb2312?B?wt7N8sP3?= List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0343976062==" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org --===============0343976062== Content-Type: text/plain 在您的来信中曾经提到: >From: Sheng Jiang >Reply-To: >To: 'Gonzalo Camarillo' , 'HIP' >Subject: Re: [Hipsec] New WG items based on our new charter >Date:Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:11:17 +0800 > >>>> o Specify a framework to build HIP-based overlays. This > >>framework will > >>> describe how HIP can perform some of the tasks needed to build an > >>> overlay and how technologies developed somewhere else (e.g., a peer > >>> protocol developed in the P2PSIP WG) can complement HIP by > >>performing > >>> the tasks HIP was not designed to perform. > >> > >>We have the following individual submission: > >> > >>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-camarillo-hip-bone-01.txt > >> > >>Would people support this draft to become a WG item? > > Yes, I support this draft. > > >>> o Specify how to carry certificates in the base exchange. This was > >>> removed from the base HIP spec so that the mechanism is > >>specified in a > >>> stand-alone spec. > >> > >>We have the following individual submission: > >> > >>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-varjonen-hip-cert-00.txt > >> > >>Would people support this draft to become a WG item? > > Yes, I support this draft. Yes, I also support this draft. > > >>> o Specify how to carry upper-layer data over specified HIP packets. > >>> These include some of the existing HIP packets and possibly new HIP > >>> packets (e.g., a HIP packet that occurs outside a HIP base > >>exchange). > >>> > >>We still do not have any individual submission for this > >>chartered item. > > I am interested to work on this. If anybody else is interested too, we can team up > for it. I would like to work on this issue. So, I think we can work together :-) If this work has already taken by somebody and close to finish, please let > me know too. > > Sheng JIANG, Ph.D. > > IP Research Department, Networking Research Department, Network Product Line, Huawei > Technologies Co. Ltd. > > > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec > Luo Wanming,Ph.D. ---------------------------------------- China Internet Information Center,CNNIC ---------------------------------------- --===============0343976062== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec --===============0343976062==-- From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 10 01:39:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40EC3A69BD; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:39:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788763A69C9 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:39:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ySFxt2Ci7nZ0 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi (creon.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35573A69BD for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915C921AF66; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:39:36 +0300 (EEST) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (creon.otaverkko.fi [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04323-03; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:39:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from argo.otaverkko.fi (argo.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.2]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E1D21AF5D; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:39:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ip92.infrahip.net (ip92.infrahip.net [193.167.187.92]) by argo.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41E025ED06; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:39:26 +0300 (EEST) From: Joakim Koskela Organization: Helsinki Institute for Information Technology To: hipsec@ietf.org Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:43:20 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <4875BA61.10104@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4875BA61.10104@ericsson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807101143.20152.joakim.koskela@hiit.fi> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at otaverkko.fi Subject: Re: [Hipsec] New WG items based on our new charter X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org On Thursday 10 July 2008 10:29:37 Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: > > o Specify how to carry certificates in the base exchange. This was > > removed from the base HIP spec so that the mechanism is specified in > > a stand-alone spec. > > We have the following individual submission: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-varjonen-hip-cert-00.txt > > Would people support this draft to become a WG item? > Seems very useful, yes. br ,j _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 10 02:00:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD333A6995; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:00:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A863A6995 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:00:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.450, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_65=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i5OyIK-mulPp for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi (creon.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E023A6964 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C28921AF8B; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:00:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (creon.otaverkko.fi [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06107-03; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:00:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from argo.otaverkko.fi (argo.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.2]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BECE21AF5D; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:00:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [82.130.20.68] (hil4.kyla.fi [82.130.20.68]) by argo.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0465A25ED06; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:00:20 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4875CFB6.6070600@hiit.fi> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:00:38 +0300 From: Miika Komu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?572X5LiH5piO?= References: <415678083.28004@cnnic.cn> In-Reply-To: <415678083.28004@cnnic.cn> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at otaverkko.fi Cc: hipsec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Hipsec] New WG items based on our new charter X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: miika@iki.fi List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." 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Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:25:20 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4875FFB0.1000908@nomadiclab.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:25:20 +0300 From: Ari Keranen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gonzalo Camarillo References: <4875BA61.10104@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4875BA61.10104@ericsson.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: HIP Subject: Re: [Hipsec] New WG items based on our new charter X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: >> o Specify a framework to build HIP-based overlays. This framework >> will describe how HIP can perform some of the tasks needed to build >> an overlay and how technologies developed somewhere else (e.g., a >> peer protocol developed in the P2PSIP WG) can complement HIP by >> performing the tasks HIP was not designed to perform. > > We have the following individual submission: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-camarillo-hip-bone-01.txt > > Would people support this draft to become a WG item? Yes. Cheers, Ari _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 10 10:08:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32A33A690E; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:08:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187C13A690E for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:08:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4WmGFC8WuCLD for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mho-02-bos.mailhop.org (mho-02-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1103A68D5 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 24-107-152-122.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.107.152.122] helo=alan-johnstons-powerbook-g4-17.local) by mho-02-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KGzdV-000Dti-O1; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:08:53 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 24.107.152.122 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1/oywVZYq9tIlxMWYa/gBvFMnlxqFWff04= Message-ID: <48764222.2040806@sipstation.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:08:50 -0500 From: Alan Johnston User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gonzalo Camarillo References: <4875BA61.10104@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4875BA61.10104@ericsson.com> Cc: HIP Subject: Re: [Hipsec] New WG items based on our new charter X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: > > We have the following individual submission: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-camarillo-hip-bone-01.txt > > Would people support this draft to become a WG item? Yes, I support this draft. We also need to begin work on some of the HIP extensions for multi-hop overlay routing which are mentioned in this draft, and discussed in more detail in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matthews-p2psip-hip-hop-00. I'm looking forward to contributing to this work. Thanks, Alan _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 14 08:45:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4A428C2B3; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:45:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 19DCA3A6941; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080714154502.19DCA3A6941@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hipsec@ietf.org Subject: [Hipsec] I-D Action:draft-ietf-hip-native-api-05.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : Basic Socket Interface Extensions for Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Author(s) : M. Komu, T. Henderson Filename : draft-ietf-hip-native-api-05.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2008-07-14 This document defines extensions to the current sockets API for Host Identity Protocol (HIP). The extensions focus on the use of public- key based identifiers discovered via DNS resolution, but define also interfaces for manual bindings between HITs and locators. With the extensions, the application can also support more relaxed security models where the communication can be non-HIP based, according to local policies. The extensions in document are experimental and provide basic tools for futher experimentation with policies. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hip-native-api-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-hip-native-api-05.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-07-14083226.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec --NextPart-- From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 14 09:09:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CCB3A6A10; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:09:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF233A6A10 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:09:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WKN9FfCQwn8G for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi (creon.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF52C3A6876 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F77721AF41 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:09:32 +0300 (EEST) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (creon.otaverkko.fi [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02892-06; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:09:27 +0300 (EEST) Received: from argo.otaverkko.fi (argo.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.2]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id D197F21AF38 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:09:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [172.17.25.237] (vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi [128.214.20.122]) by argo.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id B908525ED06 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:09:24 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <487B7A2E.70603@hiit.fi> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:09:18 +0300 From: Varjonen Samu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hipsec@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000400090401020709080701" X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at otaverkko.fi Subject: [Hipsec] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-varjonen-hip-cert-01.txt] X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." 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Title : HIP Certificates Author(s) : T. Heer, S. Varjonen Filename : draft-varjonen-hip-cert-01.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2008-07-14 This document specifies a certificate parameter called CERT for the Host Identity Protocol (HIP). The CERT parameter is a container for Simple Public Key Infrastructure (SPKI) and X.509.v3 certificates. It is used for carrying these certificates in HIP control messages. Additionally, this document specifies the representations of Host Identity Tags in SPKI and X.509.v3 certificates.Requirements Language The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119]. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : Basic HIP Extensions for Traversal of Network Address Translators Author(s) : M. Komu, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-hip-nat-traversal-04.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2008-07-14 The Host Identity Protocol (HIP) provides a new namespace that can be used for uniquely identifying hosts. Existing HIP experimental specifications do not specify protocol operations across Network Address Translators (NATs). This document specifies basic NAT traversal extensions for HIP. The HIP shim layer is located between the network and transport layer, the extensions can also provide a more general-purpose NAT traversal support for higher-layer networking applications. The extensions are based on the use of the The Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) methodology to discover a working path between two end-hosts. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hip-nat-traversal-04.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-hip-nat-traversal-04.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-07-14142026.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec --NextPart-- From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 00:55:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EF428C0E7; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:55:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900A53A6A45 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:55:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PmSk-v6VeT9n for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (mailgw4.ericsson.se [193.180.251.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F69728C160 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 37FC82049D; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:55:52 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-ac194bb000004ec0-62-487da9887410 Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.124]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 1A36E2024D; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:55:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.171]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:55:51 +0200 Received: from [159.107.2.4] ([159.107.2.4]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:55:49 +0200 Message-ID: <487DA982.8030404@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:55:46 +0300 From: Gonzalo Camarillo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: HIP X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2008 07:55:50.0749 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D6A10D0:01C8E719] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [Hipsec] HIP Agenda for Dublin X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Folks, in our slot in Dublin we would like to present the status of our old WG items, including a presentation by the NAT traversal design team, and our new charter. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08jul/agenda/hip.html Additionally, if someone would like to present work related to our new charter items, please let us know. Thanks, Gonzalo HIP co-chair _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 09:43:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08ED3A688F; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:43:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30A53A688F for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:43:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mI8iT2T17MNH for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [208.83.67.147]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DB93A67EB for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6GGhtUh010544 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:43:55 -0400 Received: from nc2400.htt-consult.com (onlo.htt-consult.com [208.83.67.148]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.3.0.11339) via ESMTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:43:52 -0600 From: Robert Moskowitz To: HIP Message-ID: <487E2548.1070103@htt-consult.com> x-scalix-Hops: 1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080526) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [Hipsec] Looking for Teredo/Miredo experience X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Does anyone have experience with Teredo/Miredo on Linux to answer some questions? Particularly the relay function. _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 09:53:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8313A688A; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:53:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE613A67AD for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:53:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.062 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.062 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.539, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Et8gERKWPM4t for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abaddon.unfix.org (abaddon.unfix.org [IPv6:2001:41e0:ff00:0:216:3eff:fe00:4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF2D3A682B for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:620:20:1000:216:d3ff:fe25:14da] (spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com [IPv6:2001:620:20:1000:216:d3ff:fe25:14da]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jeroen) by abaddon.unfix.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C197040203A; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:53:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <487E27A3.6040505@spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:53:55 +0200 From: Jeroen Massar Organization: Unfix User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080421 Lightning/0.8 Thunderbird/2.0.0.14 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Moskowitz References: <487E2548.1070103@htt-consult.com> In-Reply-To: <487E2548.1070103@htt-consult.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=333E7C23 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.1, clamav-milter version 0.93.1 on abaddon.unfix.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: HIP Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Looking for Teredo/Miredo experience X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1952163730==" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1952163730== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig60296EF0E92DC7FEBB0D6B86" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig60296EF0E92DC7FEBB0D6B86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Does anyone have experience with Teredo/Miredo on Linux to answer some= =20 > questions? Contact the Miredo author(s), they are very responsive: http://www.remlab.net/miredo/devel.shtml.en Greets, Jeroen --------------enig60296EF0E92DC7FEBB0D6B86 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFIfiejKaooUjM+fCMRAvA+AJ4sjtrHqAKtlI7joCUPlXGja5ctlACdFcai Zstg827wBcFgoj+/Ve3gDuA= =MHAq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig60296EF0E92DC7FEBB0D6B86-- --===============1952163730== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec --===============1952163730==-- From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 17 09:11:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1E33A68DD; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:11:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1125F3A67E6 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:11:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.152 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.152 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.150, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id petNpNMxABZw for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335403A6887 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLU117-W21 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:11:40 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [157.159.10.14] From: Lina To: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:11:40 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2008 16:11:40.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC44F920:01C8E827] Subject: [Hipsec] HIT and LSI X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1977010601==" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org --===============1977010601== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_17afbcfc-b013-4930-bce0-d8a4d09af72c_" --_17afbcfc-b013-4930-bce0-d8a4d09af72c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello=2C I am reading about the HIP protocol and really can't understand the differe= nce between a HIT and LSI. Especially what's the meaning of local scope of = an LSI??? and for the HITs=2C is there any entity which manages their generation and = assign them to hosts?? or each host generates its own HIT??? same thing for LSIs generation?? 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and for the HITs=2C is there any entity wh= ich manages their generation and assign them to hosts?? or each host genera= tes its own HIT???
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T=E9l=E9chargez Messenger=2C c'est gratuit ! = --_17afbcfc-b013-4930-bce0-d8a4d09af72c_-- --===============1977010601== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec --===============1977010601==-- From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 23:55:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B7928C13F; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:55:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D603A6AC1 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:55:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.374 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.374 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.225, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i2xPvoG5uMPg for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi (creon.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1914A3A696E for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1BB21AF6C for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:56:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (creon.otaverkko.fi [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00428-10; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:56:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from argo.otaverkko.fi (argo.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.2]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10B821AF39 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:56:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [82.130.20.68] (hil4.kyla.fi [82.130.20.68]) by argo.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1ED25ED06 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:56:01 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4886D65F.7080002@hiit.fi> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:57:35 +0300 From: Miika Komu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hipsec@ietf.org References: <20080714154502.19DCA3A6941@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20080714154502.19DCA3A6941@core3.amsl.com> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at otaverkko.fi Subject: Re: [Hipsec] I-D Action:draft-ietf-hip-native-api-05.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: miika@iki.fi List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: Hi, > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of the IETF. > > > Title : Basic Socket Interface Extensions for Host Identity Protocol (HIP) > Author(s) : M. Komu, T. Henderson > Filename : draft-ietf-hip-native-api-05.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2008-07-14 > > This document defines extensions to the current sockets API for Host > Identity Protocol (HIP). The extensions focus on the use of public- > key based identifiers discovered via DNS resolution, but define also > interfaces for manual bindings between HITs and locators. With the > extensions, the application can also support more relaxed security > models where the communication can be non-HIP based, according to > local policies. The extensions in document are experimental and > provide basic tools for futher experimentation with policies. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hip-native-api-05.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. Hi, a short summary of the changes: * updated the bibliography * corrected some small nits that we found * included corrections from Yoshifuji Hideaki [1] Looking forward for more comments. [1] http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hipsec/current/msg02380.html _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 08:05:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0603A687C; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:05:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413F53A6A18 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:05:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YAndIP-iS3bu for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi (creon.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0263A685A for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2533621AF74 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:06:27 +0300 (EEST) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (creon.otaverkko.fi [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19697-05; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:06:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from argo.otaverkko.fi (argo.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.2]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0E221AF6D for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:06:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [193.167.187.26] (halko.pc.infrahip.net [193.167.187.26]) by argo.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89ECC25ED06 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:06:23 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <48889A6F.7010607@hiit.fi> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:06:23 +0300 From: Miika Komu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hipsec@ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at otaverkko.fi Subject: [Hipsec] [Fwd: Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-hip-nat-traversal-04.txt] X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: miika@iki.fi List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Hi folks, I have updated the issue tracker on draft-ietf-hip-nat-traversal-04. Issue tracker is located in: http://hip4inter.net/cgi-bin/roundup.cgi/hip-nat/index Closed issues: 25: Authorship changes. Ari is now editor and we have only 5 authors. 26. Keepalive format. Added better explanations to section 3.5 on control and data plane keepalives 27: Demuxing ESP and STUN. Added text on section 4.3 how to demux ESP and STUN from each other. 30: STUN connectivity check details added in section 4.2. 31: Remove all firewall references from the draft. 32. ESP without udp encapsulation. Added new section 3.7 to the draft. 33: Clarifications on rvs and relay differences in section 1. 34: Moved appendix b (Base Exchange without ICE Connectivity Checks) to the body of the document (now in section 3.6). 35: Remove HIP connectivity checks. ICE integrity protection is now mandatory and therefore HIP connectivity checks are not needed with UDP.36: Dependency to draft-heer-hip-middle-auth. Added text and references to section 5.3. Open issues: 28: Pacing of ice connectivity checks 29. Synchronize terminology with draft-rosenberg-mmusic-ice-nonsip. 37: Constant state at the Relay. Section 4.4 includes a nonce field in RELAY_TO and RELAY_FROM parameters to allow Relay enforce strict relaying with constant state requirements. Remove this? 39: Agressive vs. regular nomination. Should the draft recommend either? 40: Specify the format of NAT_TRANSFORM 41: When to start collecting the ICE candidates is underspecified in 3.3 42: Single component and media stream being used, reference ICE spec. 43: Clarifications (of details) to creating of ICE password 44: Bundling of different locator types 45: Locator parameter details corrections. 46: ICE controlled flag. Must be introduced if we want gateway feature of ice-non-sip. 47: Overview of operations. Add a non-normative "overview of operations" section of what we are doing (similar to sec 2 of ICE). 48: Add a section that explains TURN usage with an example. 49: Add more demuxing details _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 03:33:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1655F28C10C; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:33:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E7728C10C for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:33:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PPyUesWE0M8E for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n2.nomadiclab.com (n2.nomadiclab.com [IPv6:2001:14b8:400:101::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E9C28C103 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n2.nomadiclab.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n2.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B3A1EF282 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:33:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from despair.unknown.com (inside.nomadiclab.com [193.234.219.2]) by n2.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92021EF24E for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:33:19 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <488C4EEE.2000100@nomadiclab.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:33:18 +0300 From: Jan Mikael Melen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.7pre (X11/20080131) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hipsec@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060409090305090600090702" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: [Hipsec] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-melen-spinat-01.txt] X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060409090305090600090702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D Action:draft-melen-spinat-01.txt Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:45:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Security Parameter Index multiplexed Network Address Translation (SPINAT) Author(s) : J. Melen, et al. Filename : draft-melen-spinat-01.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2008-07-27 This drafts defines a Security Parameter Index multiplexed Network Address Translator (SPINAT). The SPINAT method uses the SPI value of ESP packets to de-multiplex multiple IP addresses on single IP address. The solution presented in this draft requires a state in the SPINAT node and in the peer node. The state establishment requires a control signaling messages carrying the SPI values. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-melen-spinat-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --------------060409090305090600090702 Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-melen-spinat-01.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="draft-melen-spinat-01.txt" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-07-27014046.I-D@ietf.org> --------------060409090305090600090702 Content-Type: text/plain; name="file:///tmp/nsmail.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="file:///tmp/nsmail.txt" _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt --------------060409090305090600090702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec --------------060409090305090600090702-- From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 03:33:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3F728C118; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:33:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27EF28C10C for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:33:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2bbtOMmOsmdO for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n2.nomadiclab.com (n2.nomadiclab.com [IPv6:2001:14b8:400:101::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873FA3A68D8 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n2.nomadiclab.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n2.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982BC1EF282 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:33:56 +0300 (EEST) Received: from despair.unknown.com (inside.nomadiclab.com [193.234.219.2]) by n2.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0171EF24E for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:33:56 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <488C4F13.2010805@nomadiclab.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:33:55 +0300 From: Jan Mikael Melen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.7pre (X11/20080131) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hipsec@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090802030101080504040703" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: [Hipsec] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-melen-hip-mr-01.txt] X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090802030101080504040703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D Action:draft-melen-hip-mr-01.txt Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:45:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Host Identity Protocol based Mobile Router (HIPMR) Author(s) : J. Melen, et al. Filename : draft-melen-hip-mr-01.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2008-07-27 This drafts defines a moving network support for HIP enabled hosts. The protocol uses asymmetric authentication and symmetric authorization. The solution presented in this draft is based on delegation of signalling rights between mobile nodes and mobile routers that results in route optimization between end-hosts. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-melen-hip-mr-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --------------090802030101080504040703 Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-melen-hip-mr-01.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="draft-melen-hip-mr-01.txt" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-07-27014143.I-D@ietf.org> --------------090802030101080504040703 Content-Type: text/plain; name="file:///tmp/nsmail.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="file:///tmp/nsmail.txt" _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt --------------090802030101080504040703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec --------------090802030101080504040703-- From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 02:04:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5EC3A6AFA; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:04:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF35E3A68D0 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:04:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.653 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.653 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8+Tg6dL6Sn5G for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi (creon.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8953A6ABE for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4766221AF27; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:04:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (creon.otaverkko.fi [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12027-06; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:04:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from argo.otaverkko.fi (argo.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.2]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id E244A21AF5B; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:04:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) by argo.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8C525ED06; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:04:16 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <488D8B98.6030608@hiit.fi> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:04:24 +0200 From: Miika Komu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <415678083.28004@cnnic.cn> <4875CFB6.6070600@hiit.fi> In-Reply-To: <4875CFB6.6070600@hiit.fi> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at otaverkko.fi Cc: hipsec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Hipsec] New WG items based on our new charter X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: miika@iki.fi List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Miika Komu wrote: Hi, >>>>>> o Specify how to carry upper-layer data over specified HIP packets. >>>>>> These include some of the existing HIP packets and possibly new >>>>>> HIP packets (e.g., a HIP packet that occurs outside a HIP base >>>>> exchange). >>>>> We still do not have any individual submission for this chartered >>>>> item. >>> I am interested to work on this. If anybody else is interested too, >>> we can team >> up >>> for it. >> >> >> I would like to work on this issue. So, I think we can work together :-) FYI, we started to work on this issue. We had a meeting on the topic yesterday. _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 13:59:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172ED3A693E; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:59:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00653A693E for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:59:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0S9luUKft0lq for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com (stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com [130.76.96.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AAC3A691E for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com (stl-av-01.boeing.com [192.76.190.6]) by stl-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/8.14.0/SMTPOUT) with ESMTP id m6SKx9oT015336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:59:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/DOWNSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id m6SKx96r006384; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:59:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-11.nw.nos.boeing.com [130.247.55.84]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/UPSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id m6SKx4D2006114; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:59:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.55.44]) by XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:59:00 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:59:00 -0700 Message-ID: <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B70D@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> In-Reply-To: <4875BA61.10104@ericsson.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Hipsec] New WG items based on our new charter Thread-Index: AcjiXrn+e4FLriZMRTymWUld/ECSNwOlbFZQ References: <4875BA61.10104@ericsson.com> From: "Henderson, Thomas R" To: "Gonzalo Camarillo" , "HIP" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 20:59:01.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2D562F0:01C8F0F4] Subject: Re: [Hipsec] New WG items based on our new charter X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Gonzalo (and HIP WG), > > The following are charter items for the working group: > > > > o Specify how legacy (i.e., HIP unaware) applications can > be made to > > work with HIP. > > The authors of the official draft are working on addressing the > discusses received: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hip-applications-04.txt FYI, we received notification last Friday that this document has been approved for publication as an RFC. - Tom _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 06:08:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBA028C304; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:08:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDEC28C2F7 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:07:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qXhOjTOpkWZ5 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (mailgw3.ericsson.se [193.180.251.60]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D95528C304 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 0DBDF2048A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:07:00 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-b009fbb00000193b-48-489067735c03 Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.121]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id EEDD920423 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:06:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.170]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:06:59 +0200 Received: from [164.48.29.123] ([164.48.29.123]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:06:59 +0200 Message-ID: <48906773.8000501@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:06:59 +0300 From: Gonzalo Camarillo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: HIP X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2008 13:06:59.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[26BA7C00:01C8F245] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: "Pekka Nikander \(JO/LMF\)" , Jan Melen Subject: [Hipsec] Draft: data transport in HIP X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Folks, we have just submitted the following draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nikander-hip-hiccups-00.txt It relates to the following item in our charter: o Specify how to carry upper-layer data over specified HIP packets. These include some of the existing HIP packets and possibly new HIP packets (e.g., a HIP packet that occurs outside a HIP base exchange). The draft includes discussions about when it is appropriate to use such a mechanism and some of the trade offs involved. Once we have more discussions on this topic, we will need to fill in more details, especially on the interactions with overlays. We hope to receive comments on the list. Thanks, Gonzalo _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 23:58:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD4D3A6C21; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:58:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id F152128C114; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:47:25 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Message-Id: <20080725094725.F152128C114@core3.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:47:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:58:38 -0700 Cc: hip mailing list , Internet Architecture Board , hip chair , RFC Editor Subject: [Hipsec] Document Action: 'Using the Host Identity Protocol with Legacy Applications' to Experimental RFC X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Using the Host Identity Protocol with Legacy Applications ' as an Experimental RFC This document is the product of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Mark Townsley and Jari Arkko. A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hip-applications-04.txt Technical Summary The Host Identity Protocol (HIP) and architecture proposes to add a cryptographic name space for network stack names. From an application viewpoint, HIP-enabled systems support a new address family of host identifiers, but it may be a long time until such HIP- aware applications are widely deployed even if host systems are upgraded. This informational document discusses implementation and API issues relating to using HIP in situations in which the system is HIP-aware but the applications are not. Working Group Summary Was there anything in WG process that is worth noting? For example, was there controversy about particular points or were there decisions where the consensus was particularly rough? No. Document Quality This document is based on the experiences of several HIP implementors. The Document PROTO Shepherd is Gonzalo Camarillo _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 03:07:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE783A6885; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:07:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF683A680A for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:07:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Duplicate header field: "References" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.900, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_25=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bHJr5sPG9vP1 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [208.83.67.147]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DE63A683B for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VA7EHl020241; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:07:14 -0400 Received: from nc2400.htt-consult.com (onlo.htt-consult.com [208.83.67.148]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.3.0.11339) via ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:07:29 +0100 From: Robert Moskowitz To: Andrew McGregor Message-ID: <48918EE1.6050606@htt-consult.com> In-Reply-To: References: <0K4V00EFY6HJQD@szxml02-in.huawei.com> References: x-scalix-Hops: 1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Cc: hipsec-rg , hipsec Subject: Re: [Hipsec] [Hipsec-rg] About simultaneous mobility to HIP X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Gonzalo Camarillo [mailto:Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:07 AM > To: HIP > Cc: Pekka Nikander (JO/LMF); Jan Melen > Subject: [Hipsec] Draft: data transport in HIP > > Folks, > > we have just submitted the following draft: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nikander-hip-hiccups-00.txt > > It relates to the following item in our charter: > > o Specify how to carry upper-layer data over specified HIP > packets. These include some of the existing HIP packets and possibly > new HIP packets (e.g., a HIP packet that occurs outside a HIP base > exchange). > > The draft includes discussions about when it is appropriate > to use such > a mechanism and some of the trade offs involved. Once we have more > discussions on this topic, we will need to fill in more details, > especially on the interactions with overlays. We hope to receive > comments on the list. > Gonzalo, Pekka, and Jan, I think the draft is a nice overview of the issues and possibilities of extending HIP, but it stops short of discussing what the API might look like, which in my opinion is going to be the hard part of this effort. I was thinking that, to complete the charter item, we will need a document that might be entitled something like "HIP as a service." This document would specify an API (like a library) that signaling protocols could write to. Then, depending on the API we want to offer, we might need to extend HIP. If we want to go in that direction, then the next step might be to discuss what should the API look like. Regards, Tom _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 08:55:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244B228C14A; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:55:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAB53A6C6E for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:54:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RA7BRe1yPb2l for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com (slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com [130.76.64.48]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8A328C195 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com (slb-av-01.boeing.com [129.172.13.4]) by slb-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/8.14.0/SMTPOUT) with ESMTP id m6VFsPNx002310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/DOWNSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id m6VFsPjG013240 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-11.nw.nos.boeing.com [130.247.55.84]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/UPSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id m6VFsOGK013113 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.55.44]) by XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:54:21 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:54:19 -0700 Message-ID: <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B71E@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Teredo extensions and NAT traversal Thread-Index: AcjzJbFnsN9JPJ+0TBKQVwKv9FM64g== From: "Henderson, Thomas R" To: "HIP" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 15:54:21.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2CF51D0:01C8F325] Subject: [Hipsec] Teredo extensions and NAT traversal X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org During the WG meeting today, it was mentioned that Teredo has some limitations in certain NAT traversal situations. People might want to have a look at the Teredo extensions draft: http://www3.tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thaler-v6ops-teredo-extensions-01 - Tom _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 09:37:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0409028C1EA; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:37:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741C428C1E9 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:37:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zZELc8jcm9Rd for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (mailgw3.ericsson.se [193.180.251.60]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4000228C1DE for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id CF1CD207CF; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:16:54 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-ad099bb00000193b-73-4891e57692d9 Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.124]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id ABD0C20685; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:16:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.171]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:16:54 +0200 Received: from [164.48.29.59] ([164.48.29.59]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:16:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4891E56F.2010405@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:16:47 +0300 From: Gonzalo Camarillo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Henderson, Thomas R" References: <48906773.8000501@ericsson.com> <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B71D@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> In-Reply-To: <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B71D@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 16:16:54.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8B6A8F0:01C8F328] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: "Pekka Nikander \(JO/LMF\)" , HIP , Jan Melen Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Draft: data transport in HIP X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Hi Tom, the idea with this draft is the following: o define a HIP DATA packet as discussed in the past. o discuss the trade offs involved in the use of this packet. We gain efficiency but lose DoS protection. o discuss under which circumstances implementations may want to use DATA and also under which circumstances an implementation wants to accept or reject DATA (e.g., in some cases, an application that is part of a trusted overlay may want to accept DATA). o when an implementation does not want to accept DATA (e.g., because of DoS concerns), it needs to be able to return an R1 to start a base exchange instead. The reason why, at this point, the document does not spend time defining DATA is because we wanted to stress the importance of the discussions on why it is appropriate to use such a mechanism. We will be introducing the definition of DATA in future revisions of the draft. With respect to the API, we decided to wait with the API draft until the NAT traversal and overlay work is in a more advanced state so that we have a clearer picture on the requirements for a HIP API. Thanks for the comments, Gonzalo Henderson, Thomas R wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gonzalo Camarillo [mailto:Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:07 AM >> To: HIP >> Cc: Pekka Nikander (JO/LMF); Jan Melen >> Subject: [Hipsec] Draft: data transport in HIP >> >> Folks, >> >> we have just submitted the following draft: >> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nikander-hip-hiccups-00.txt >> >> It relates to the following item in our charter: >> >> o Specify how to carry upper-layer data over specified HIP >> packets. These include some of the existing HIP packets and possibly >> new HIP packets (e.g., a HIP packet that occurs outside a HIP base >> exchange). >> >> The draft includes discussions about when it is appropriate >> to use such >> a mechanism and some of the trade offs involved. Once we have more >> discussions on this topic, we will need to fill in more details, >> especially on the interactions with overlays. We hope to receive >> comments on the list. >> > > Gonzalo, Pekka, and Jan, > > I think the draft is a nice overview of the issues and possibilities of > extending HIP, but it stops short of discussing what the API might look > like, which in my opinion is going to be the hard part of this effort. > > I was thinking that, to complete the charter item, we will need a > document that might be entitled something like "HIP as a service." This > document would specify an API (like a library) that signaling protocols > could write to. Then, depending on the API we want to offer, we might > need to extend HIP. If we want to go in that direction, then the next > step might be to discuss what should the API look like. > > Regards, > Tom _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:26:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CFBF28C2A2; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:26:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B4628C2A2 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yp9UwVU32ue6 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com (stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com [130.76.96.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB35528C23F for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com (slb-av-01.boeing.com [129.172.13.4]) by stl-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/8.14.0/SMTPOUT) with ESMTP id m6VHQFbJ016403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:26:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/DOWNSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id m6VHQEv4016129; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-11.nw.nos.boeing.com [130.247.55.84]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/UPSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id m6VHQ6FO015831; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.55.44]) by XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:26:09 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:26:08 -0700 Message-ID: <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B721@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> In-Reply-To: <4891E56F.2010405@ericsson.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Hipsec] Draft: data transport in HIP Thread-Index: AcjzKNv8P+jSsTj5QQCGPRKGMj4+1QABVxUw References: <48906773.8000501@ericsson.com> <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B71D@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> <4891E56F.2010405@ericsson.com> From: "Henderson, Thomas R" To: "Gonzalo Camarillo" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 17:26:09.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[8564CFB0:01C8F332] Cc: "Pekka Nikander \(JO/LMF\)" , HIP , Jan Melen Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Draft: data transport in HIP X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Gonzalo Camarillo [mailto:Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:17 AM > To: Henderson, Thomas R > Cc: HIP; Pekka Nikander (JO/LMF); Jan Melen > Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Draft: data transport in HIP > > Hi Tom, > > the idea with this draft is the following: > > o define a HIP DATA packet as discussed in the past. > o discuss the trade offs involved in the use of this packet. We gain > efficiency but lose DoS protection. > o discuss under which circumstances implementations may want > to use DATA > and also under which circumstances an implementation wants to > accept or > reject DATA (e.g., in some cases, an application that is part of a > trusted overlay may want to accept DATA). > o when an implementation does not want to accept DATA (e.g., > because of > DoS concerns), it needs to be able to return an R1 to start a base > exchange instead. > > > The reason why, at this point, the document does not spend > time defining > DATA is because we wanted to stress the importance of the > discussions > on why it is appropriate to use such a mechanism. We will be > introducing > the definition of DATA in future revisions of the draft. I wasn't suggesting to spend time defining DATA now, but to define how the user of DATA perceives the service that DATA provides. The HICCUPS draft briefly states what is the purpose of this service-- to provide carriage of signaling messages between hosts, while solving for the signaling protocol all of the details of NAT traversal, mobility, multihoming. This, to me, would be clearly a nice service to provide, and I don't know how much more you need to justify it. However, there are a lot of details that need to be resolved, such as: - what are the delivery semantics (reliable, unreliable) of such messages? - what are the security semantics? From a server perspective, should application be able to select a listening service that uses base exchange or not, or should that detail be hidden from the signaling application? Can/should applications specify what source HIT should be used? Should applications be able to provide or load their own host identity? Should opportunistic mode be supported, and how is this mode controlled? - can applications use this service by providing a URL or by providing only a destination HIT? - does the application provide hints as to which overlay the destination HIT has stored its bindings? - what kind of other policy can an application flow down to the HIP daemon, and how is it communicated at the API? - do locators (addresses) play any role at the API level? - what kind of error codes are provided back to the signaling applications? I don't think we can fully specify DATA until we understand how the above questions are answered. > > With respect to the API, we decided to wait with the API > draft until the > NAT traversal and overlay work is in a more advanced state so that we > have a clearer picture on the requirements for a HIP API. > Yes, these issues (overlay, native API, HICCUPS) are all bound together, but I think that to move forward on the protocol details, we first have to have a clear vision as to what is the service API we are trying to support. Regards, Tom _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:32:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647E528C243; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:32:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C49028C243 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:32:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yLMJhSWjZQY8 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (mailgw4.ericsson.se [193.180.251.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF2F28C223 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 2A22F20373; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:32:55 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-ae198bb000004ec0-e9-4891f747a166 Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.121]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 06B9220093; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:32:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.176]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:32:54 +0200 Received: from [164.48.29.59] ([164.48.29.59]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:32:54 +0200 Message-ID: <4891F745.4030207@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:32:53 +0300 From: Gonzalo Camarillo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Henderson, Thomas R" References: <48906773.8000501@ericsson.com> <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B71D@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> <4891E56F.2010405@ericsson.com> <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B721@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> In-Reply-To: <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B721@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 17:32:54.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[77118E20:01C8F333] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: "Pekka Nikander \(JO/LMF\)" , HIP , Jan Melen Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Draft: data transport in HIP X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Hi, in my view, all the non-API-related stuff you propose, belongs to this draft. All the API-related stuff belongs somewhere else (i.e., in the HIP API draft). Cheers, Gonzalo Henderson, Thomas R wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gonzalo Camarillo [mailto:Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com] >> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:17 AM >> To: Henderson, Thomas R >> Cc: HIP; Pekka Nikander (JO/LMF); Jan Melen >> Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Draft: data transport in HIP >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> the idea with this draft is the following: >> >> o define a HIP DATA packet as discussed in the past. >> o discuss the trade offs involved in the use of this packet. We gain >> efficiency but lose DoS protection. >> o discuss under which circumstances implementations may want >> to use DATA >> and also under which circumstances an implementation wants to >> accept or >> reject DATA (e.g., in some cases, an application that is part of a >> trusted overlay may want to accept DATA). >> o when an implementation does not want to accept DATA (e.g., >> because of >> DoS concerns), it needs to be able to return an R1 to start a base >> exchange instead. >> >> >> The reason why, at this point, the document does not spend >> time defining >> DATA is because we wanted to stress the importance of the >> discussions >> on why it is appropriate to use such a mechanism. We will be >> introducing >> the definition of DATA in future revisions of the draft. > > I wasn't suggesting to spend time defining DATA now, but to define how > the user of DATA perceives the service that DATA provides. > > The HICCUPS draft briefly states what is the purpose of this service-- > to provide carriage of signaling messages between hosts, while solving > for the signaling protocol all of the details of NAT traversal, > mobility, multihoming. This, to me, would be clearly a nice service to > provide, and I don't know how much more you need to justify it. > > However, there are a lot of details that need to be resolved, such as: > - what are the delivery semantics (reliable, unreliable) of such > messages? > - what are the security semantics? From a server perspective, should > application be able to select a listening service that uses base > exchange or not, or should that detail be hidden from the signaling > application? Can/should applications specify what source HIT should be > used? Should applications be able to provide or load their own host > identity? Should opportunistic mode be supported, and how is this mode > controlled? > - can applications use this service by providing a URL or by providing > only a destination HIT? > - does the application provide hints as to which overlay the destination > HIT has stored its bindings? > - what kind of other policy can an application flow down to the HIP > daemon, and how is it communicated at the API? > - do locators (addresses) play any role at the API level? > - what kind of error codes are provided back to the signaling > applications? > > I don't think we can fully specify DATA until we understand how the > above questions are answered. > >> With respect to the API, we decided to wait with the API >> draft until the >> NAT traversal and overlay work is in a more advanced state so that we >> have a clearer picture on the requirements for a HIP API. >> > > Yes, these issues (overlay, native API, HICCUPS) are all bound together, > but I think that to move forward on the protocol details, we first have > to have a clear vision as to what is the service API we are trying to > support. > > Regards, > Tom _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:42:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3CB3A6D1D; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:42:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857F53A6D1D for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:42:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k2wxa6g9ARyI for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com (stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com [130.76.96.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65EF3A6D1C for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com (stl-av-01.boeing.com [192.76.190.6]) by stl-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/8.14.0/SMTPOUT) with ESMTP id m6VHgcs1028667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:42:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/DOWNSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id m6VHgbRC013401; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:42:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-11.nw.nos.boeing.com [130.247.55.84]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/UPSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id m6VHgUTA012936; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:42:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.55.44]) by XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:42:32 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:42:31 -0700 Message-ID: <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B723@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> In-Reply-To: <4891F745.4030207@ericsson.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Hipsec] Draft: data transport in HIP Thread-Index: AcjzM3/PTdXocJQhRCa7/KbSXTsZFAAAQhcQ References: <48906773.8000501@ericsson.com> <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B71D@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> <4891E56F.2010405@ericsson.com> <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B721@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> <4891F745.4030207@ericsson.com> From: "Henderson, Thomas R" To: "Gonzalo Camarillo" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 17:42:32.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF5D8240:01C8F334] Cc: HIP , Jan Melen Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Draft: data transport in HIP X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Gonzalo Camarillo [mailto:Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:33 AM > To: Henderson, Thomas R > Cc: HIP; Pekka Nikander (JO/LMF); Jan Melen > Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Draft: data transport in HIP > > Hi, > > in my view, all the non-API-related stuff you propose, > belongs to this > draft. All the API-related stuff belongs somewhere else (i.e., in the > HIP API draft). Currently, the HIP native API draft is not scoped to include providing a signaling carriage service; it is oriented towards providing traditional ESP service. Would you like the scope of draft-ietf-hip-native-api expanded, then? Tom _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:48:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AE53A6CE5; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:48:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1983A6CE5 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:48:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VlYnM-w+3AA9 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (mailgw4.ericsson.se [193.180.251.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CBC3A6892 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id D91802105A; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:48:56 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-af19abb000004ec0-b5-4891fb0828d3 Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.124]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id BBDB420F9C; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:48:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.171]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:48:56 +0200 Received: from [164.48.29.59] ([164.48.29.59]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:48:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4891FB07.1070706@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:48:55 +0300 From: Gonzalo Camarillo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Henderson, Thomas R" References: <48906773.8000501@ericsson.com> <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B71D@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> <4891E56F.2010405@ericsson.com> <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B721@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> <4891F745.4030207@ericsson.com> <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B723@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> In-Reply-To: <77F357662F8BFA4CA7074B0410171B6D07B0B723@XCH-NW-5V1.nw.nos.boeing.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 17:48:56.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4294940:01C8F335] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: HIP , Jan Melen Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Draft: data transport in HIP X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Hi, > Currently, the HIP native API draft is not scoped to include providing a > signaling carriage service; it is oriented towards providing traditional > ESP service. > > Would you like the scope of draft-ietf-hip-native-api expanded, then? That was my assumption, but if people think that having two different documents would be a clearer solution, that would work for me as well. It would be great to hear more opinions on this. Cheers, Gonzalo _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hipsec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 1 01:03:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hip-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-hip-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A598728C3BC; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CF53A6C05 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:57:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.251 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_25=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0BLRroPPIx8M for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi (creon.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DFF3A680A for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id D093221AF4B; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:57:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (creon.otaverkko.fi [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26760-04; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from argo.otaverkko.fi (argo.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.2]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E1B21AF45; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [130.129.19.255] (unknown [130.129.19.255]) by argo.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7375325ED06; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <48918C67.60408@helsinki.fi> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:56:55 +0300 From: Varjonen Samu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: john.zhao@huawei.com References: <0K4V00EFY6HJQD@szxml02-in.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <0K4V00EFY6HJQD@szxml02-in.huawei.com> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at otaverkko.fi X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:03:07 -0700 Cc: hipsec , hipsec-rg Subject: Re: [Hipsec] [Hipsec-rg] About simultaneous mobility to HIP X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." 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