From nobody Thu Sep 12 09:54:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82EA120130 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:54:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RDlRzRw6IlkU for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99A1912012E for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB1460D1B for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:54:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id dd6AqhvtiWwV for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B2E4760789 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:54:24 -0400 (EDT) To: HIP From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <865fea77-8441-c25b-8860-2be138459b01@htt-consult.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:54:16 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3C0A4A231477F4CB2D26726C" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Hipsec] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 16:54:36 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3C0A4A231477F4CB2D26726C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all. Finally we are now funded to work on this project.  I am very unhappy at what it took to get to this point.   Fortunately, I have been using the time to put together some notes that I am quickly turning into drafts. So work on tm-rid is now open.  Two more drafts will be posted in the next couple days.  I welcome reviews and comments. Also I will be working with the AD for time at IETF106. Bob -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00.txt Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:49:01 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Stuart Card , Adam Wiethuechter , Robert Moskowitz , Stuart W. Card A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit Revision: 00 Title: Hierarchical HITs for HIPv2 Document date: 2019-09-12 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 9 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit Abstract: This document describes using a hierarchical HIT to facilitate large deployments of managed devices. Hierarchical HITs differ from HIPv2 flat HITs by only using 64 bits for mapping the Host Identity, freeing 32 bits to bind in a hierarchy of Registering Entities that provide services to the consumers of hierarchical HITs. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --------------3C0A4A231477F4CB2D26726C Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all.

Finally we are now funded to work on this project.  I am very unhappy at what it took to get to this point.   Fortunately, I have been using the time to put together some notes that I am quickly turning into drafts.

So work on tm-rid is now open.  Two more drafts will be posted in the next couple days.  I welcome reviews and comments.

Also I will be working with the AD for time at IETF106.

Bob


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A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00.txt
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Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit
Revision: 00
Title: Hierarchical HITs for HIPv2
Document date: 2019-09-12
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 9
URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00.txt
Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit/
Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00
Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit


Abstract:
This document describes using a hierarchical HIT to facilitate large
deployments of managed devices. Hierarchical HITs differ from HIPv2
flat HITs by only using 64 bits for mapping the Host Identity,
freeing 32 bits to bind in a hierarchy of Registering Entities that
provide services to the consumers of hierarchical HITs.



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until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

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--------------3C0A4A231477F4CB2D26726C-- From nobody Thu Sep 12 11:32:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC10612086A for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 11:32:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jBg8vjKPmigv for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 11:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6757120220 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 11:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740DE60D1B for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:32:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id J1lEVRWqVWDg for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 580FC6096F for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:31:59 -0400 (EDT) To: HIP References: <865fea77-8441-c25b-8860-2be138459b01@htt-consult.com> From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:31:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <865fea77-8441-c25b-8860-2be138459b01@htt-consult.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C03A606804748F5770DF7070" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 18:32:10 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C03A606804748F5770DF7070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Some points about Hierarchical HITs. The idea is not new.  See draft-moskowitz-hip-04 from 7/01.  One bit was used to identity Hierarchical HITs (HHITs) over flat HITs. Since this concept was removed I am now faced with how to tell the difference in the HIT encoding? HHITs use a different ORCHID construction.  Kind of violation the ORCHID rules.  Remains to be seen if it will take a direct addendum to ORCHID for this.  The HID is included with the HI in computing the ORCHID.  I often wondered if the HIT Suite should have been included.  Since it wasn't we do have to be careful in specifying HIT Suites so it is not possible to have identical BIT-level HIs for different HIT Suites.  I am not attempting to change this part; maybe I should. So given a HIT in the wild (I1, or UAS RID broadcast), how do you know if it is a HHIT.  Instead of burning through HIT suites as I first thought in draft-moskowitz-hierarchical-hip, I am specifying a unique HIT prefix for HHITs. If anyone can see any other way, please speak up.  Again, the ORCHID prefix is specified in the ORCHID RFC.  Will we best do an update to ORCHID? Please chime in. Bob On 9/12/19 12:54 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Hello all. > > Finally we are now funded to work on this project.  I am very unhappy > at what it took to get to this point.   Fortunately, I have been using > the time to put together some notes that I am quickly turning into drafts. > > So work on tm-rid is now open.  Two more drafts will be posted in the > next couple days.  I welcome reviews and comments. > > Also I will be working with the AD for time at IETF106. > > Bob > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00.txt > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:49:01 -0700 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: Stuart Card , Adam Wiethuechter > , Robert Moskowitz > , Stuart W. Card > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit > Revision: 00 > Title: Hierarchical HITs for HIPv2 > Document date: 2019-09-12 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 9 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit/ > Htmlized: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00 > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit > > > Abstract: > This document describes using a hierarchical HIT to facilitate large > deployments of managed devices. Hierarchical HITs differ from HIPv2 > flat HITs by only using 64 bits for mapping the Host Identity, > freeing 32 bits to bind in a hierarchy of Registering Entities that > provide services to the consumers of hierarchical HITs. > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec --------------C03A606804748F5770DF7070 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Some points about Hierarchical HITs.

The idea is not new.  See draft-moskowitz-hip-04 from 7/01.  One bit was used to identity Hierarchical HITs (HHITs) over flat HITs.

Since this concept was removed I am now faced with how to tell the difference in the HIT encoding?

HHITs use a different ORCHID construction.  Kind of violation the ORCHID rules.  Remains to be seen if it will take a direct addendum to ORCHID for this.  The HID is included with the HI in computing the ORCHID.  I often wondered if the HIT Suite should have been included.  Since it wasn't we do have to be careful in specifying HIT Suites so it is not possible to have identical BIT-level HIs for different HIT Suites.  I am not attempting to change this part; maybe I should.

So given a HIT in the wild (I1, or UAS RID broadcast), how do you know if it is a HHIT.  Instead of burning through HIT suites as I first thought in draft-moskowitz-hierarchical-hip, I am specifying a unique HIT prefix for HHITs.

If anyone can see any other way, please speak up.  Again, the ORCHID prefix is specified in the ORCHID RFC.  Will we best do an update to ORCHID?

Please chime in.

Bob

On 9/12/19 12:54 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Hello all.

Finally we are now funded to work on this project.  I am very unhappy at what it took to get to this point.   Fortunately, I have been using the time to put together some notes that I am quickly turning into drafts.

So work on tm-rid is now open.  Two more drafts will be posted in the next couple days.  I welcome reviews and comments.

Also I will be working with the AD for time at IETF106.

Bob


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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:49:01 -0700
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
To: Stuart Card <stu.card@axenterprize.com>, Adam Wiethuechter <adam.wiethuechter@axenterprize.com>, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>, Stuart W. Card <stu.card@axenterprize.com>



A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit
Revision: 00
Title: Hierarchical HITs for HIPv2
Document date: 2019-09-12
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 9
URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00.txt
Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit/
Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-00
Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit


Abstract:
This document describes using a hierarchical HIT to facilitate large
deployments of managed devices. Hierarchical HITs differ from HIPv2
flat HITs by only using 64 bits for mapping the Host Identity,
freeing 32 bits to bind in a hierarchy of Registering Entities that
provide services to the consumers of hierarchical HITs.



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--------------C03A606804748F5770DF7070-- From nobody Fri Sep 13 07:23:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0242120804 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:23:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6TPDETIk_a7q for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 963D11201DE for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8C16096F for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:23:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id sDqsiW0xIIrR for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B216760945 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:23:21 -0400 (EDT) To: HIP From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <952b7932-61b0-e218-f579-b668f50a544a@htt-consult.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:23:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7A5EBFDE52F76DDE7EC09121" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Hipsec] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-00.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:23:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7A5EBFDE52F76DDE7EC09121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings! This is the second of the drafts I have been developing.  It provides the basics for the HHIT registrar activities. I welcome all comments. I am now working on the New crypto draft.  It is still drafty as there are a couple areas needing work.  This includes a KMAC approach to KEYMAT, replacing HMAC.  In fact KMAC completely replaces HMAC (much more efficient). And the new cipher choice is Keyak.  For now.  How do we get the ESP transform number assigned?  What docs do we need for that? I hope to have something ready for New crypto before Monday. Bob -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-00.txt Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:13:14 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Stuart Card , Adam Wiethuechter , Robert Moskowitz , Stuart W. Card A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries Revision: 00 Title: Hierarchical HIT Registries Document date: 2019-09-13 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 11 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries Abstract: This document describes using the registration protocol and registries to support hierarchical HITs (HHITs). New and existing HIP parameters are used to communicate Registry Policies and data about the HHIT device and the Registries. Further Registries are expected to provide RVS services for registered HHIT devices. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --------------7A5EBFDE52F76DDE7EC09121 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Greetings!

This is the second of the drafts I have been developing.  It provides the basics for the HHIT registrar activities.

I welcome all comments.

I am now working on the New crypto draft.  It is still drafty as there are a couple areas needing work.  This includes a KMAC approach to KEYMAT, replacing HMAC.  In fact KMAC completely replaces HMAC (much more efficient). 

And the new cipher choice is Keyak.  For now.  How do we get the ESP transform number assigned?  What docs do we need for that?

I hope to have something ready for New crypto before Monday.

Bob


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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:13:14 -0700
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A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries
Revision: 00
Title: Hierarchical HIT Registries
Document date: 2019-09-13
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 11
URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-00.txt
Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries/
Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-00
Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries


Abstract:
This document describes using the registration protocol and
registries to support hierarchical HITs (HHITs). New and existing
HIP parameters are used to communicate Registry Policies and data
about the HHIT device and the Registries. Further Registries are
expected to provide RVS services for registered HHIT devices.



Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
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--------------7A5EBFDE52F76DDE7EC09121-- From nobody Fri Sep 13 08:48:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC2A120047 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:48:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QLuFTnlpzhks for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out.west.exch081.serverdata.net (cas081-co-9.exch081.serverdata.net [199.193.204.190]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C618B12001E for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MBX081-W5-CO-2.exch081.serverpod.net (10.224.129.85) by MBX081-W5-CO-2 (10.224.129.85) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1473.3; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:48:28 -0700 Received: from MBX081-W5-CO-2.exch081.serverpod.net ([10.224.129.85]) by MBX081-W5-CO-2.exch081.serverpod.net ([10.224.129.85]) with mapi id 15.00.1473.005; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:48:27 -0700 From: Jeff Ahrenholz To: Robert Moskowitz , HIP Thread-Topic: [Hipsec] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHVaj7Vwb0repaC/U67DrjgghriracpwN+A Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 15:48:27 +0000 Message-ID: <44A35762-ABC2-40BA-933A-8265B0447025@temperednetworks.com> References: <952b7932-61b0-e218-f579-b668f50a544a@htt-consult.com> In-Reply-To: <952b7932-61b0-e218-f579-b668f50a544a@htt-consult.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [216.168.34.194] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <13FEC746B5B1944E9E106BD1F773FCF1@exch081.serverpod.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-00.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 15:57:33 -0000 On 9/13/19 11:48 AM, Jeff Ahrenholz wrote: >> And the new cipher choice is Keyak.  For now.  How do we get the ESP transform >> number assigned?  What docs do we need for that? > Probably needs a short RFC, similar to this one? https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4543 Yes, but no AH.  Perhaps.  I have to read more on Keyak: https://keccak.team/keyak.html > And this: https://www.iana.org/protocols/apply Tero does the expert review on any IPsec additions. From nobody Sun Sep 15 16:30:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6141E1201DE for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:30:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SJo6c00pnJMm for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D3EB12006E for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F3B615FA for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 19:30:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id FmUjGRN2pWKJ for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 19:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3A905615F9 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 19:30:26 -0400 (EDT) To: HIP From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <006551f4-9ebb-d172-f9c6-7475ab896dc8@htt-consult.com> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 19:30:12 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------297950D104E3A7A88D2F19B8" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Hipsec] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 23:30:40 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------297950D104E3A7A88D2F19B8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This completes the first set of drafts for tm-rid. This draft has a couple drafty areas.  Particularly in the cipher, I need to study Keyak more, but this is what I was advised to use. There are important crypto improvements for HIP in this draft, PLEASE read it and comment.  I will be posting this to SAAG and CFRG, as some of the applications of Keccak are new to the IETF. At least I have not found any other drafts doing this. The Keymat is really a new approach, but pulled directly from NIST sp800-56Cr1. There are a number of other new ways of doing things, leveraging Keccak. So take a read.  I am attending the UAS symposium: https://nuair.org/symposium/ the next couple days along with Stu and Adam.  I expect to have additional information from this gathering. I will be working on the DNS storage of HHITs for updates, plus other items. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00.txt Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:12:21 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Stuart Card , Adam Wiethuechter , Robert Moskowitz , Stuart W. Card A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto Revision: 00 Title: New Cryptographic Algorithms for HIP Document date: 2019-09-15 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 11 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto Abstract: This document provides new cryptographic algorithms to be used with HIP. The Edwards Elliptic Curve and the Keccak sponge functions are the main focus. The HIP parameters and processing instructions impacted by these algorithms are defined. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --------------297950D104E3A7A88D2F19B8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
This completes the first set of drafts for tm-rid.

This draft has a couple drafty areas.  Particularly in the cipher, I need to study Keyak more, but this is what I was advised to use.

There are important crypto improvements for HIP in this draft, PLEASE read it and comment.  I will be posting this to SAAG and CFRG, as some of the applications of Keccak are new to the IETF.  At least I have not found any other drafts doing this.

The Keymat is really a new approach, but pulled directly from NIST sp800-56Cr1.

There are a number of other new ways of doing things, leveraging Keccak.

So take a read.  I am attending the UAS symposium:  https://nuair.org/symposium/

the next couple days along with Stu and Adam.  I expect to have additional information from this gathering.

I will be working on the DNS storage of HHITs for updates, plus other items.




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00.txt
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:12:21 -0700
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
To: Stuart Card <stu.card@axenterprize.com>, Adam Wiethuechter <adam.wiethuechter@axenterprize.com>, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>, Stuart W. Card <stu.card@axenterprize.com>



A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the
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Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto
Revision: 00
Title: New Cryptographic Algorithms for HIP
Document date: 2019-09-15
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 11
URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00.txt
Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto/
Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00
Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto


Abstract:
This document provides new cryptographic algorithms to be used with
HIP. The Edwards Elliptic Curve and the Keccak sponge functions are
the main focus. The HIP parameters and processing instructions
impacted by these algorithms are defined.



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until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

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--------------297950D104E3A7A88D2F19B8-- From nobody Mon Sep 16 17:32:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE7C120142 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:32:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lQB8ENs6eJU8 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9170612011E for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0B362129 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:31:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id SWA0gWf5QfOM for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (rrcs-50-75-106-130.nys.biz.rr.com [50.75.106.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C08662127 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:31:50 -0400 (EDT) To: HIP References: <006551f4-9ebb-d172-f9c6-7475ab896dc8@htt-consult.com> From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:31:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <006551f4-9ebb-d172-f9c6-7475ab896dc8@htt-consult.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E09FB386B2770859E17A6B03" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:32:01 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E09FB386B2770859E17A6B03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't have the KEYMAT construction right.  I am talking to NIST about what is needed.  Stay tuned. Close but not quite there. On 9/15/19 7:30 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > This completes the first set of drafts for tm-rid. > > This draft has a couple drafty areas.  Particularly in the cipher, I > need to study Keyak more, but this is what I was advised to use. > > There are important crypto improvements for HIP in this draft, PLEASE > read it and comment.  I will be posting this to SAAG and CFRG, as some > of the applications of Keccak are new to the IETF.  At least I have > not found any other drafts doing this. > > The Keymat is really a new approach, but pulled directly from NIST > sp800-56Cr1. > > There are a number of other new ways of doing things, leveraging Keccak. > > So take a read.  I am attending the UAS symposium: > https://nuair.org/symposium/ > > the next couple days along with Stu and Adam.  I expect to have > additional information from this gathering. > > I will be working on the DNS storage of HHITs for updates, plus other > items. > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00.txt > Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:12:21 -0700 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: Stuart Card , Adam Wiethuechter > , Robert Moskowitz > , Stuart W. Card > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto > Revision: 00 > Title: New Cryptographic Algorithms for HIP > Document date: 2019-09-15 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 11 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00 > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto > > > Abstract: > This document provides new cryptographic algorithms to be used with > HIP. The Edwards Elliptic Curve and the Keccak sponge functions are > the main focus. The HIP parameters and processing instructions > impacted by these algorithms are defined. > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec --------------E09FB386B2770859E17A6B03 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't have the KEYMAT construction right.  I am talking to NIST about what is needed.  Stay tuned.

Close but not quite there.

On 9/15/19 7:30 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
This completes the first set of drafts for tm-rid.

This draft has a couple drafty areas.  Particularly in the cipher, I need to study Keyak more, but this is what I was advised to use.

There are important crypto improvements for HIP in this draft, PLEASE read it and comment.  I will be posting this to SAAG and CFRG, as some of the applications of Keccak are new to the IETF.  At least I have not found any other drafts doing this.

The Keymat is really a new approach, but pulled directly from NIST sp800-56Cr1.

There are a number of other new ways of doing things, leveraging Keccak.

So take a read.  I am attending the UAS symposium:  https://nuair.org/symposium/

the next couple days along with Stu and Adam.  I expect to have additional information from this gathering.

I will be working on the DNS storage of HHITs for updates, plus other items.




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00.txt
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:12:21 -0700
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A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto
Revision: 00
Title: New Cryptographic Algorithms for HIP
Document date: 2019-09-15
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 11
URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00.txt
Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto/
Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-00
Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto


Abstract:
This document provides new cryptographic algorithms to be used with
HIP. The Edwards Elliptic Curve and the Keccak sponge functions are
the main focus. The HIP parameters and processing instructions
impacted by these algorithms are defined.



Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

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--------------E09FB386B2770859E17A6B03-- From nobody Fri Sep 20 13:45:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F7C12013A for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:45:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rcQ9rYau4JMv for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99DCD120114 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9DC62129 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 16:45:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id OCAJMqSSH81g for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 16:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6DE2060029 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 16:45:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Moskowitz To: HIP Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 16:45:32 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Hipsec] HIP - TM-RID meeting in Singapore X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 20:45:52 -0000 Dear HIPsters, I am in discussion with Ganzalo and Eric about a HIP session in Singapore. The focus is the new work to support "Trustworthy Multipurpose RemoteID" with the target user of UAS. This week I attended the nuair.org UAS Symposium outside of Syracuse NY and received considerable support for HITs as RemoteIDs (along with the other expected formats).  This effort has funding from CLUE (I was told what that means and what piece of legislation set it up, but...). I have the 1st versions of the 1st 3 drafts.  More to follow. I would like to see hackathon efforts at Singapore (unfortunately we cannot fly drones in the hackathon room, perhaps we can get them suspended from the ceiling).  Also including HIPv2 software interop testing. It is early to actually have an agenda, but the question is: When during the week. How long a session. Eric was thinking a short session on Friday. I will be there for the whole week, so Friday morning works for me. Who would also be there.  Who could not. A short session at the end of the week SHOULD be ok. What about earlier in the week?  Who would attend?  What are conflicts (SAAG, CFRG)? Eric needs to move forward on scheduling deadlines are coming up. Please chime in. Bob From nobody Wed Sep 25 06:21:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72FB120806; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 06:21:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: hipsec@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.102.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hipsec@ietf.org Message-ID: <156941766877.29030.10043590213461567900@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 06:21:08 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-dex-09.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 13:21:09 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol WG of the IETF. Title : HIP Diet EXchange (DEX) Authors : Robert Moskowitz Rene Hummen Miika Komu Filename : draft-ietf-hip-dex-09.txt Pages : 50 Date : 2019-09-25 Abstract: This document specifies the Host Identity Protocol Diet EXchange (HIP DEX), a variant of the Host Identity Protocol Version 2 (HIPv2). The HIP DEX protocol design aims at reducing the overhead of the employed cryptographic primitives by omitting public-key signatures and hash functions. The HIP DEX protocol is primarily designed for computation or memory- constrained sensor/actuator devices. Like HIPv2, it is expected to be used together with a suitable security protocol such as the Encapsulated Security Payload (ESP) for the protection of upper layer protocol data. In addition, HIP DEX can also be used as a keying mechanism for security primitives at the MAC layer, e.g., for IEEE 802.15.4 networks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-dex/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-dex-09 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-hip-dex-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-dex-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Sep 25 14:41:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FBA120026 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 14:41:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dz1r3LldfILy for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 14:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD5C9120018 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 14:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DE5615EB for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:41:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id C-lYeWJYxrzt for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C24B860029 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:41:17 -0400 (EDT) To: HIP From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:41:16 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3ED123BEA1BE407D749C52B9" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Hipsec] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-01.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 21:41:28 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3ED123BEA1BE407D749C52B9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit With this version, I believe I have the KEYMAT correct.  I had help from NIST and the Keccak team. It is MUCH more efficient than the HKDF or CKDF approaches. It is at least a solid starting point; we will see what other cryptographers say. I still need to work on the encryption part using Keyak. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-01.txt Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 14:35:36 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Stuart Card , Adam Wiethuechter , Robert Moskowitz , Stuart W. Card A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto Revision: 01 Title: New Cryptographic Algorithms for HIP Document date: 2019-09-25 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 12 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-01.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-01 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-01 Abstract: This document provides new cryptographic algorithms to be used with HIP. The Edwards Elliptic Curve and the Keccak sponge functions are the main focus. The HIP parameters and processing instructions impacted by these algorithms are defined. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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With this version, I believe I have the KEYMAT correct.  I had help from NIST and the Keccak team. It is MUCH more efficient than the HKDF or CKDF approaches.

It is at least a solid starting point; we will see what other cryptographers say.

I still need to work on the encryption part using Keyak.


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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-01.txt
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 14:35:36 -0700
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
To: Stuart Card <stu.card@axenterprize.com>, Adam Wiethuechter <adam.wiethuechter@axenterprize.com>, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>, Stuart W. Card <stu.card@axenterprize.com>



A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-01.txt
has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto
Revision: 01
Title: New Cryptographic Algorithms for HIP
Document date: 2019-09-25
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 12
URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-01.txt
Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto/
Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-01
Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto
Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-01

Abstract:
This document provides new cryptographic algorithms to be used with
HIP. The Edwards Elliptic Curve and the Keccak sponge functions are
the main focus. The HIP parameters and processing instructions
impacted by these algorithms are defined.



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