From ichiroumakino@gmail.com Thu Apr 1 09:57:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72BB3A6973 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 09:57:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.869 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.869 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=1.13, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gj4eVsmNa3r7 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 09:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D5D3A67B4 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 09:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so446988ewy.13 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:58:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=rMRNxS5x9CBcamKWEHlpRLB42ZzL1gXXOsQU7UFPb2U=; b=aPqsAaNy0x78l+nQDbHoRcJ1Df+Zl+IlURFOErjfxzqsQKJPOfQL4+qjKD8FPq2QiI KS/A1AIEhQi0TfEFkR7eRSMBf0qjTkEaOcR3iVHAKKzbRpnhFpHUMMxguVpItO9slsnJ b8dLeCNX3zlkkAZFBCS183vRan7lHWJ69Z4Y0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=OXj7pMTWIgJCl5ZzZwbXb41XhDKjSJ/BMViv3/fXDbu3MYEtEI9T3OGm3pZsothYy9 PArCkUrQaNBbkjXG8HOeQC3Wq0Z+gr64FEWT50XqpdyRTy5UNWfUmgy7cvBotQ8xxsl+ 5rA6IQAL4J4KZ6u7LHuAXbyJ3HCSdi7MH1FbI= Received: by 10.213.66.204 with SMTP id o12mr3364578ebi.54.1270141098816; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-10-55-81-68.cisco.com (64-103-25-233.cisco.com [64.103.25.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm4514657ewy.9.2010.04.01.09.58.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Ole Troan Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ole Troan In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 18:58:00 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7003316D-79B1-4B7A-98BF-B9B8C9B601FC@employees.org> References: <4BACFC29.4080908@cisco.com> To: Laurent Toutain X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: "homegate@ietf.org" , Etienne Gallet de Santerre Subject: Re: [homegate] "Advanced IPv6 CPE requirements" in scope for homegate? X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 16:57:50 -0000 > Do you think routing protocols adapted to Home Network are in the > scope of the BOF ? I already asked the question during last BOF and > the answer was not very positive. >=20 > We have modified routing protocols to allow routers autoconfiguration > (see An evaluation of the NAP protocol for IPv6 router > auto-configuration on > http://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2007/ipv6/) and to manage > multi-homing. in my opinion solving the problem of router autoconfiguration, at least = for restricted topologies should be within scope of homegate. the scope of homegate appears a little fuzzy at the moment, hopefully we = will get time to discuss that in Paris. in my mind the below issues punted from the basic cpe router = requirements document should all be within scope. if they aren't then = I'm honestly not quite sure what homegate is supposed to work on? cheers, Ole > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 19:25, Mark Townsley = wrote: >>=20 >> Ole just presented an update on >> "draft-wbeebee-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-bis-02", the slides are here: >>=20 >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/slides/v6ops-2.pdf >>=20 >> It includes a list of "hard stuff we punted on" from >> "draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-04" >>=20 >> including: >>=20 >> 1. QoS 2. Service Discovery >> 3. DNS >> 4. Multicast >> 5. Arbitrary complex topologies >> 1. Prefix sub-delegation >> 2. Routing in the LAN >> 3. ... >> 6. IPv6 transition mechanisms >> 7. IPv6 only (NAT64) >> 8. Firewall pinholing >> 9. Multi-homing (also to non-congruent topologies) >>=20 >>=20 >> Homegate was brought up, but it was unclear whether homegate = considered such >> work in our out of scope of its efforts. >>=20 >> At one level, this doesn't matter aside of where the document sits = and >> whether homegate, should it exist, operates on this directly or via a >> pointer to the v6ops WG, and this is as much an "AD management issue" = as >> anything else. However, if we see ourselves taking on any of these = for IPv4, >> I worry that we will end up solving problems in silos if they are not = in the >> same document and/or same group. >>=20 >> Thoughts? >>=20 >> - Mark >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> homegate mailing list >> homegate@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Laurent Toutain > Tel: +33 2 22 06 82 37 > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Fri Apr 2 13:56:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C533A6B87 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 13:56:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.217 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.217 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.486, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=1.13, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w3JjHEpjse5b for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 13:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23853A6A48 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 13:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([10.195.246.152]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id 5503620.75953922; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:42:18 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by NJMDCEXCRLY01.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 2 Apr 2010 16:42:17 -0400 Received: from 147.191.227.127 ([147.191.227.127]) by PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.153]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:42:16 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:42:22 -0400 From: Jason Livingood To: "homegate@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: April Workshop: Official Registration Now Open! Thread-Index: AcrSpP6DbT7SGnJxtEaTdkloIb0QBA== X-Priority: 2 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3353071343_2370016" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2010 20:42:17.0085 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB95D2D0:01CAD2A4] Subject: [homegate] April Workshop: Official Registration Now Open! X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:56:36 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3353071343_2370016 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to everyone who has expressed interest. We are now taking official registrations. REGISTRATION LINK: http://www.ietf.org/ibin/c5i?rid=3D48 STEP 1: To register for the event you first setup an IETF registration account. (This is a little different from the usual IETF meeting registration process, as this is a special workshop and had limited time to set this up with AMS.) This takes about 30 seconds. STEP 2: You will receive an email from the registration system with a minut= e of setting up an account. STEP 3: Click on the link in the email and use the email address you provided plus the password in the email. STEP 4: Complete the registration form and pay. IMPORTANT NOTES BELOW! 1 =AD There is a US $50 registration fee to defray event costs. 2 =AD Dinner, night 1: No fee but you must check the box in order to attend 3 =AD Dinner, night 2: There will be a fee payable in cas= h at the event. You much check the box in attend. When: April 20th and 21st Where: Paris, France - Cisco's Offices Cisco Office=20 Location: =A0http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973 By Metro, Closest Stop: RER-C Issy Va= l de Seine Additional Details: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE Thanks Jason --B_3353071343_2370016 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable April Workshop: Official Registration Now Open! Thanks to everyone who has expressed interest.  We are now taking off= icial registrations.

REGISTRATION LINK: http://www.ietf.org/ibin/c5i?rid=3D48

STEP 1: To register for the event you first setup an IETF registrati= on account.  (This is a little different from the usual IETF meeting re= gistration process, as this is a special workshop and had limited time to se= t this up with AMS.)  This takes about 30 seconds.

STEP 2: You will receive an email from the registration system with = a minute of setting up an account.  

STEP 3: Click on the link in the email and use the email address you= provided plus the password in the email.  

STEP 4: Complete the registration form and pay.  IMPORTANT NOTE= S BELOW!
            &nb= sp;       1 – There is a US $50 reg= istration fee to defray event costs.
            &nb= sp;       2 – Dinner, night 1: No f= ee but you must check the box in order to attend
            &nb= sp;       3 – Dinner, night 2: Ther= e will be a fee payable in cash at the event.  You much check the box i= n attend.

When: April 20th and 21st Where: Paris, France - Cisco's Offices Cis= co Office
Location: =A0http://tinyurl.com/y= f8w973 By Metro, Closest Stop: RER-C Issy Val de Seine
Additional Details: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE


Thanks
Jason --B_3353071343_2370016-- From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Fri Apr 2 14:16:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DA73A6AD4 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 14:16:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.388 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.388 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.343, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=1.13, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LPAiGM4GGzaX for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 14:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com (paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com [208.17.35.58]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389393A69B2 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 13:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.15.118]) by paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-NTF18.89275850; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:59:28 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PACDCEXCSMTP04.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 2 Apr 2010 16:59:28 -0400 Received: from 147.191.227.127 ([147.191.227.127]) by PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.153]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:59:28 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:59:33 -0400 From: Jason Livingood To: "homegate@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Hotels for Workshop - Paris Thread-Index: AcrGEILRDzwz5nDEOUmiM0Cv4J+P2wMluI5x In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3353072373_2411785" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2010 20:59:28.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[62321060:01CAD2A7] Subject: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:16:22 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3353072373_2411785 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Because time is short and we have a small group, we=B9re unable to lock in an =B3official=B2 hotel. Of course, Paris is a large and varied city with many lodging options to choose from. As the meeting venue (see below) is near RER-C Issy Val de Seine, you could conceivably stay anywhere in the city. As folks book a hotel, I might recommend you post to the list as this may help others choose where to stay (I myself have not booked anything but my flight yet). Regards Jason On 3/17/10 4:29 PM, "Jason Livingood" wrote: > This is confirming that the meeting will occur in Paris, France, thanks t= o > Cisco=B9s generous offer to host the meeting. Much more logistical informa= tion > will follow soon (we will try to leverage AMS for this). >=20 > We will also update our draft agenda by the end of the week on our wiki a= t > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE >=20 > In the meantime: >=20 > 20 April and 21 April =8B in Paris >=20 > Here is the location of the Cisco office: http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973 >=20 > By metro: Closest stop is RER-C Issy Val de Seine. >=20 > Regards > Jason >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate Regards, Jason =20 Jason Livingood Executive Director Internet Systems Engineering National Engineering & Technical Operations Comcast Cable Communications 215-286-7813 jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com=20 --B_3353072373_2411785 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hotels for Workshop - Paris Because time is short and we have a small group, we’re unable to loc= k in an “official” hotel.  Of course, Paris is a large and = varied city with many lodging options to choose from.  As the meeting v= enue (see below) is near RER-C Issy Val de Seine, you could conceivably stay= anywhere in the city.  As folks book a hotel, I might recommend you po= st to the list as this may help others choose where to stay (I myself have n= ot booked anything but my flight yet).

Regards
Jason


On 3/17/10 4:29 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

This is confirming that the meeting w= ill occur in Paris, France, thanks to Cisco’s generous offer to= host the meeting.  Much more logistical information will follow soon (= we will try to leverage AMS for this).

We will also update our draft agenda by the end of the week on our wiki at = http://trac= .tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE

In the meantime:

20 April and 21 April — in Paris

Here is the location of the Cisco office: http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973

By metro: Closest stop is RER-C Issy Val de Seine.

Regards
Jason






___________= ____________________________________
homegate mailing list
homegate@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/homegate



Regards,
Jason
 
Jason Livingood
Executive Director
Internet Systems Engineering
National Engineering & Technical Operations
Comcast Cable Communications
215-286-7813
jason_= livingood@cable.comcast.com
--B_3353072373_2411785-- From townsley@cisco.com Fri Apr 2 15:01:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA473A681A for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 15:01:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.638 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.638 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.231, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=1.13, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gff-iGY1w3Eo for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 15:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC0F3A67B0 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 15:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-4.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEADYGtkurR7Hu/2dsb2JhbACbTXGbI4h3j2ICgm2CFgSKDQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.51,355,1267401600"; d="scan'208";a="109584446" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Apr 2010 22:01:57 +0000 Received: from iwan-view3.cisco.com (iwan-view3.cisco.com [171.70.65.13]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o32M1v1e025674 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 22:01:57 GMT Received: from ams-townsley-87111.cisco.com (ams-townsley-87111.cisco.com [10.55.233.236]) by iwan-view3.cisco.com (8.11.2/CISCO.WS.1.2) with ESMTP id o32M1tY14644 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 15:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BB66952.8090506@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 00:01:54 +0200 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: homegate@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 22:01:24 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Folks, Yes, sorry for not having an "official" hotel. I'm not a travel agent, and have not stayed in a hotel myself in Paris for more than 15 years. I somehow expect for most of you this isn't your first time here. I'll give a little offhand advice though. Folks I know swear by Best Western and Holiday Inn in Paris for big hotel chains that come a a reasonable price. Of course, there are some fantasic high end hotels and boutique locations as well. All depends on your budget. The Cisco office is in Issy Les Moulineaux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issy-les-Moulineaux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val_de_Seine Here's the Paris Metro/RER map: http://www.paris.org/Metro/gifs/metro.pdf In the lower-left, you will see "Issy Val de Seine". The Cisco office is 200 meters from this stop. It is on the "RER C" line. If you stay anywhere in Paris along that yellow line, you will not be far from the office by RER. Also, you can take a look at Metro line 10, which cuts east-west through paris, with a change to the same RER-C at Javel (you actually have to exit the metro and re-enter to the RER). You can stay along this line as well. Or, just take a Cab. If you stay in the center or towards the west of the city, it shouldn't be terribly expensive (10-20 EUR) and as long as it isn't the heart of rush hour, a maximum of 30 minutes, likely less. I will be commuting every day from the St-Michel stop in the very center of this Paris Map. I expect the Social even to be somewhere in the center around here as well. Note that if you used to stay at the "Paris Hilton" near the Eiffel Tower, it is now a "Pullman" hotel. It is well located for getting to the Cisco office on RER-C, and used to be very popular among IETFers that are used to always staying at a Hilton for IETF meetings. Paris is setup by Arrondisement, which are noted by zip codes. Just about any hotel in the 15th (75015) should be pretty close to the office and perhaps more reasonably priced than the more central areas. Anything in the 6th (75006) or 7th (75007) as well. I like the 6th myself, as it is closer to the Latin Quarter, which has a lot of nice restaurants and pubs. Staying in the 1st - 4th (75001 - 75004) can be fantastic or terrible, so only do so if you know what you are booking (Also, it probably means you are venturing a bit further from the Cisco office.) I look forward to seeing everyone here. Travel safely. - - Mark On 4/2/10 10:59 PM, Jason Livingood wrote: > Because time is short and we have a small group, we¹re unable to lock in an > ³official² hotel. Of course, Paris is a large and varied city with many > lodging options to choose from. As the meeting venue (see below) is near > RER-C Issy Val de Seine, you could conceivably stay anywhere in the city. > As folks book a hotel, I might recommend you post to the list as this may > help others choose where to stay (I myself have not booked anything but my > flight yet). > > Regards > Jason > > > On 3/17/10 4:29 PM, "Jason Livingood" > wrote: > >> This is confirming that the meeting will occur in Paris, France, thanks to >> Cisco¹s generous offer to host the meeting. Much more logistical information >> will follow soon (we will try to leverage AMS for this). >> >> We will also update our draft agenda by the end of the week on our wiki at >> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE >> >> In the meantime: >> >> 20 April and 21 April ‹ in Paris >> >> Here is the location of the Cisco office: http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973 >> >> By metro: Closest stop is RER-C Issy Val de Seine. >> >> Regards >> Jason >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> homegate mailing list >> homegate@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > > > > Regards, > Jason > > Jason Livingood > Executive Director > Internet Systems Engineering > National Engineering & Technical Operations > Comcast Cable Communications > 215-286-7813 > jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLtmlSAAoJEBAcHDFx3DUInuQH/RNrjGRHTofN32f2kN22xU0x iu1CRIfc/y5xOOvo63QrwoU1YhZOY3jras6jYvj4HBfXvANREtBvGubQ/IrTtxp8 iXE972MtWtEOQj23xFn8XFsn56G6wldkwWf30xVSkYCuLXXJu5kjru/7VT773uo7 zjUl6twlDDyT236ko2zlNPbjVM2bSI/sDC4LzZxXeR90umoUUrjdKOA2hOMHS0B2 IhMM9YUgJoXE11vLwjKUf6XGAq3SVd3RGDg5PoNipExUM1s66cKTW76vy1oy+Rvu qLW4c6IxG5+dHZw4RnPfF+eS1lrIZLxpP+WF5xa1pzPeb6Rf2i6GuYbXZUR1zB8= =vmT2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Sun Apr 4 15:03:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4144F28C0DF for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 15:03:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Opq1-ThdmrvZ for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 15:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFC43A68B0 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 15:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.15.92]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id 5503620.76024481; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0400 Received: from 76.99.122.200 ([76.99.122.200]) by PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.153]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 22:03:32 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:03:32 -0400 From: Jason Livingood To: "homegate@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris Thread-Index: AcrGEILRDzwz5nDEOUmiM0Cv4J+P2wMluI5xAGbRQ+k= In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3353249012_733268" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2010 22:03:33.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAC8D920:01CAD442] Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 22:03:44 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3353249012_733268 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I just booked my hotel. I selected a hotel a short distance from an RER station (on the Yellow/C Line), since that=B9s how I will commute to the meeting venue. I suspect this is about 30 minutes from the Cisco office, but my preference is to be in the city center (you may of course prefer to be next to the Cisco office). Here are a few in that area I booked, near the Notre Dame RER station: http://www.hotelnotredameparis.com/ (this is where I booked) http://www.parisalbehotel.com/index.html http://www.paris-hotel-rivesnotredame.com/ Further west on the RER line is the Eiffel Tower area: http://www.hoteleiffelseineparis.com/ http://www.ares-paris-hotel.com/ http://www.mercure-suffren-tour-eiffel.abcsalles.com Jason On 4/2/10 4:59 PM, "Jason Livingood" wrote: > Because time is short and we have a small group, we=B9re unable to lock in = an > =B3official=B2 hotel. Of course, Paris is a large and varied city with many > lodging options to choose from. As the meeting venue (see below) is near > RER-C Issy Val de Seine, you could conceivably stay anywhere in the city.= As > folks book a hotel, I might recommend you post to the list as this may he= lp > others choose where to stay (I myself have not booked anything but my fli= ght > yet). >=20 > Regards > Jason >=20 >=20 > On 3/17/10 4:29 PM, "Jason Livingood" > wrote: >=20 >> This is confirming that the meeting will occur in Paris, France, thanks = to >> Cisco=B9s generous offer to host the meeting. Much more logistical inform= ation >> will follow soon (we will try to leverage AMS for this). >>=20 >> We will also update our draft agenda by the end of the week on our wiki = at >> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE >>=20 >> In the meantime: >>=20 >> 20 April and 21 April =8B in Paris >>=20 >> Here is the location of the Cisco office: http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973 >>=20 >> By metro: Closest stop is RER-C Issy Val de Seine. >>=20 >> Regards >> Jason >>=20 --B_3353249012_733268 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris I just booked my hotel. I selected a hotel  a short distance from an = RER station (on the Yellow/C Line), since that’s how I will commute to= the meeting venue.  I suspect this is about 30 minutes from the Cisco = office, but my preference is to be in the city center (you may of course pre= fer to be next to the Cisco office).

Here are a few in that area I booked, near the Notre Dame RER station: &nbs= p;
http= ://www.hotelnotredameparis.com/  (this is where I boo= ked)
http://www.parisalbehotel.com/index.html
http://www.paris-hotel= -rivesnotredame.com/

Further west on the RER line is the Eiffel Tower area:
ht= tp://www.hoteleiffelseineparis.com/
http://www.ares-paris-hotel.com/=
http://www.m= ercure-suffren-tour-eiffel.abcsalles.com

Jason

On 4/2/10 4:59 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>Because time is short and we have a small group,= we’re unable to lock in an “official” hotel.  Of cou= rse, Paris is a large and varied city with many lodging options to choose fr= om.  As the meeting venue (see below) is near RER-C Issy Val de Seine, = you could conceivably stay anywhere in the city.  As folks book a hotel= , I might recommend you post to the list as this may help others choose wher= e to stay (I myself have not booked anything but my flight yet).

Regards
Jason


On 3/17/10 4:29 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

This is confirming that the meeting w= ill occur in Paris, France, thanks to Cisco’s generous offer to= host the meeting.  Much more logistical information will follow soon (= we will try to leverage AMS for this).

We will also update our draft agenda by the end of the week on our wiki at = http://trac= .tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE

In the meantime:

20 April and 21 April — in Paris

Here is the location of the Cisco office: http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973

By metro: Closest stop is RER-C Issy Val de Seine.

Regards
Jason


 --B_3353249012_733268-- From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Tue Apr 6 09:38:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2783A6933 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 09:38:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w0W1LSkx3-2j for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 09:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0D93A690C for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 09:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([10.195.246.152]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id 5503620.76188232; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:38:36 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by NJMDCEXCRLY01.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 6 Apr 2010 12:38:35 -0400 Received: from 147.191.227.127 ([147.191.227.127]) by PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.153]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:38:35 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:38:32 -0400 From: Jason Livingood To: "homegate@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [homegate] April Workshop: Official Registration Now Open! Thread-Index: AcrSpP6DbT7SGnJxtEaTdkloIb0QBADApl8C In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 2 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3353402315_5112984" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2010 16:38:35.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A30BAE0:01CAD5A7] Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Official Registration Now Open! X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:38:47 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3353402315_5112984 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Please try to register THIS WEEK. This will help us line up our final logistical decisions (lunch and dinner mainly). Thanks Jason=20 On 4/2/10 4:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" wrote: > Thanks to everyone who has expressed interest. We are now taking officia= l > registrations. >=20 > REGISTRATION LINK: http://www.ietf.org/ibin/c5i?rid=3D48 >=20 > STEP 1: To register for the event you first setup an IETF registration > account. (This is a little different from the usual IETF meeting registr= ation > process, as this is a special workshop and had limited time to set this u= p > with AMS.) This takes about 30 seconds. >=20 > STEP 2: You will receive an email from the registration system with a min= ute > of setting up an account. >=20 > STEP 3: Click on the link in the email and use the email address you prov= ided > plus the password in the email. >=20 > STEP 4: Complete the registration form and pay. IMPORTANT NOTES BELOW! > 1 =AD There is a US $50 registration fee to defray even= t > costs. > 2 =AD Dinner, night 1: No fee but you must check the bo= x in > order to attend > 3 =AD Dinner, night 2: There will be a fee payable in c= ash > at the event. You much check the box in attend. >=20 > When: April 20th and 21st Where: Paris, France - Cisco's Offices Cisco Of= fice > Location: =A0http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973 By Metro, Closest Stop: RER-C Issy = Val > de Seine > Additional Details: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGAT= E >=20 >=20 > Thanks > Jason >=20 > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate Regards, Jason =20 Jason Livingood Executive Director Internet Systems Engineering National Engineering & Technical Operations Comcast Cable Communications 215-286-7813 jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com=20 --B_3353402315_5112984 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Official Registration Now Open!</TITL= E> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt= '>Please try to register THIS WEEK.  This will help us line up our fina= l logistical decisions (lunch and dinner mainly).<BR> <BR> Thanks<BR> Jason <BR> <BR> <BR> On 4/2/10 4:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" <<a href=3D"jason_livingood= @cable.comcast.com">jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com</a>> wrote:<BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>Thanks to everyone who has expressed interest. &= nbsp;We are now taking official registrations.<BR> </SPAN><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12pt'><B><BR> REGISTRATION LINK: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U><a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/ib= in/c5i?rid=3D48">http://www.ietf.org/ibin/c5i?rid=3D48</a><BR> </U></FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'><BR> <B>STEP 1</B>: To register for the event you first setup an IETF registrati= on account.  (This is a little different from the usual IETF meeting re= gistration process, as this is a special workshop and had limited time to se= t this up with AMS.)  This takes about 30 seconds.<BR> <BR> <B>STEP 2</B>: You will receive an email from the registration system with = a minute of setting up an account.  <BR> <BR> <B>STEP 3</B>: Click on the link in the email and use the email address you= provided plus the password in the email.  <BR> <BR> <B>STEP 4</B>: Complete the registration form and pay.  IMPORTANT NOTE= S BELOW!<BR>             &nb= sp;       1 – There is a US $50 reg= istration fee to defray event costs.<BR>             &nb= sp;       2 – Dinner, night 1: No f= ee but you must check the box in order to attend<BR>             &nb= sp;       3 – Dinner, night 2: Ther= e will be a fee payable in cash at the event.  You much check the box i= n attend.<BR> <BR> <B>When</B>: April 20th and 21st Where: Paris, France - Cisco's Offices Cis= co Office <BR> <B>Location</B>: =A0<a href=3D"http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973">http://tinyurl.com/y= f8w973</a> By Metro, Closest Stop: RER-C Issy Val de Seine<BR> <B>Additional Details: <a href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wi= ki/HOMEGATE">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE</a><BR> </B><BR> <BR> Thanks<BR> Jason<BR> <HR ALIGN=3DCENTER SIZE=3D"3" WIDTH=3D"95%"></SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FA= CE=3D"Consolas, Courier New, Courier"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:10pt'>___________= ____________________________________<BR> homegate mailing list<BR> <a href=3D"homegate@ietf.org">homegate@ietf.org</a><BR> <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate">https://www.ietf.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/homegate</a><BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Consolas, Cour= ier New, Courier"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:10pt'><BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN = STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'><BR> <BR> Regards,<BR> Jason<BR>  <BR> Jason Livingood<BR> Executive Director<BR> Internet Systems Engineering<BR> National Engineering & Technical Operations<BR> Comcast Cable Communications<BR> 215-286-7813<BR> <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U><a href=3D"jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com">jason_= livingood@cable.comcast.com</a></U></FONT> <BR> </SPAN></FONT> </BODY> </HTML> --B_3353402315_5112984-- From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Tue Apr 6 09:43:14 2010 Return-Path: <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E1F3A67DF for <homegate@core3.amsl.com>; 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3353402565_5072502 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Our most recent agenda is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda for the workshop. I am working with all of the people on the cc list, so if you have any suggested changes please be sure they and the list are copied on replies. Thanks Jason --B_3353402565_5072502 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>April Workshop: Agenda Bashing Our most recent agenda is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE

Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda for t= he workshop.  I am working with all of the people on the cc list, so if= you have any suggested changes please be sure they and the list are copied = on replies.

Thanks
Jason
 --B_3353402565_5072502-- From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Tue Apr 6 10:05:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A5A3A68C2 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:05:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.651 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.651 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.350, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b9qcGONnIHff for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com (paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com [208.17.35.59]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B473A68A4 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.15.118]) by paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-TDCH7.79607287; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:04:44 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PACDCEXCSMTP04.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:04:43 -0400 Received: from 147.191.227.127 ([147.191.227.127]) by PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.153]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:04:43 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:04:33 -0400 From: Jason Livingood To: "homegate@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing Thread-Index: AcrVqC7OJ0ti6Y3hX0akIdNiYHKmdwAAwujp In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3353403876_5149726" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2010 17:04:43.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[40EA20D0:01CAD5AB] Cc: Ray Bellis Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:05:10 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3353403876_5149726 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable In my haste, I=B9ve left off the correct folks on the cc list for agenda feedback (duh). =20 The workshop organizers above are: Lars Eggest, Jari Arkko, Dave Oran, Mark Townsley, Ray Bellis, and Jason Livingood J On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" wrote: > Our most recent agenda is at > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE >=20 > Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda for= the > workshop. I am working with all of the people on the cc list, so if you = have > any suggested changes please be sure they and the list are copied on repl= ies. >=20 > Thanks > Jason --B_3353403876_5149726 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing In my haste, I’ve left off the correct folks on the cc list for agen= da feedback (duh).  

The workshop organizers above are: Lars Eggest, Jari Arkko, Dave Oran, Mark= Townsley, Ray Bellis, and Jason Livingood


J

On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>Our most recent agenda is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/are= a/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE

Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda for t= he workshop.  I am working with all of the people on the cc list, so if= you have any suggested changes please be sure they and the list are copied = on replies.

Thanks
Jason
--B_3353403876_5149726-- From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Tue Apr 6 10:09:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8B63A6767 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:09:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.969 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.969 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.171, BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fWDhuIhibdtr for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22E13A67B2 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.15.92]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id 5503620.76193044; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:09:06 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:09:05 -0400 Received: from 147.191.227.127 ([147.191.227.127]) by PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.153]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:09:05 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:09:01 -0400 From: Jason Livingood To: "homegate@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDOR PRESENTATIONS Thread-Index: AcrVqC7OJ0ti6Y3hX0akIdNiYHKmdwAAwujpAAAn74s= In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3353404141_5196124" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2010 17:09:05.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCFE07C0:01CAD5AB] Cc: Ray Bellis Subject: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDOR PRESENTATIONS X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:09:16 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3353404141_5196124 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On our agenda we have several slots for vendors to present. When we drafte= d the agenda, we envisioned vendors possibly discussing the state of their deployed gear (with respect to DNSSEC, IPv6, security threats, etc.), how/i= f units are field-upgradable, the status of support in current/future gear, any confusion over specs that homegate could help with, and other thoughts about either potential value add for homegate or conflicts/problems with homegate. We are happy to adjust timeslots to provide more or less time for device companies to present, and even to add more slots. If you work at such a company, we=B9d like you to consider presenting. Pleas= e email the organizers on the cc list to advise of your interest. We have a tentative list of companies that may fit in this role: 1 =AD Cisco/Linksys=20 2 =AD 2wire 3 =AD Thompson 4 =AD Apple 5 =AD NetGear 6 =AD D-Link 7 =AD SMC 8 - Belkin 9 - AVM 10 - TI 11 - Broadcom 12 - Wind River 13 - Gatespace 14 - Certicom 15 - Freescale 16 - Mocana 17 - TeamF1 >=20 > Thanks!! > Jason >=20 >=20 > On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" > wrote: >=20 >> Our most recent agenda is at >> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE >>=20 >> Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda fo= r the >> workshop. I am working with all of the people on the cc list, so if you= have >> any suggested changes please be sure they and the list are copied on rep= lies. >>=20 >> Thanks Jason --B_3353404141_5196124 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDOR PRESENTATIONS On our agenda we have several slots for vendors to present.  When we = drafted the agenda, we envisioned vendors possibly discussing the state of t= heir deployed gear (with respect to DNSSEC, IPv6, security threats, etc.), h= ow/if units are field-upgradable, the status of support in current/future ge= ar, any confusion over specs that homegate could help with, and other though= ts about either potential value add for homegate or conflicts/problems with = homegate.

We are happy to adjust timeslots to provide more or less time for device co= mpanies to present, and even to add more slots.

If you work at such a company, we’d like you to consider presenting. =  Please email the organizers on the cc list to advise of your interest.=

We have a tentative list of companies that may fit in this role:
1 – Cisco/Linksys
2 – 2wire
3 – Thompson
4 – Apple
5 – NetGear
6 – D-Link
7 – SMC
8 - Belkin
9 - AVM
10 - TI
11 - Broadcom
12 - Wind River
13 - Gatespace
14 - Certicom
15 - Freescale
16 - Mocana
17 - TeamF1
<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>
Thanks!!
Jason


On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>Our most recent agenda is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/are= a/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE

Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda for t= he workshop.  I am working with all of the people on the cc list, so if= you have any suggested changes please be sure they and the list are copied = on replies.

Thanks
     &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;    Jason --B_3353404141_5196124-- From mark@townsley.net Wed Apr 7 04:56:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCF13A6907 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 04:56:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.624 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.624 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7YGtHZd27VBI for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 04:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f217.google.com (mail-gx0-f217.google.com [209.85.217.217]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AB93A68E6 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 04:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so612603gxk.8 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 04:55:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.118.11 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 04:55:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:55:55 +0200 Received: by 10.91.59.6 with SMTP id m6mr783699agk.4.1270641355223; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 04:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Mark Townsley To: Jason Livingood Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d2f659d73d20483a43ef9 Cc: "homegate@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:56:03 -0000 --0016364d2f659d73d20483a43ef9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some folks have asked what hotel should be booked close to the Cisco office= . I honestly don't know which hotels are good or bad, and certainly don't kno= w budgets or other preferences, but here is what hotels.com says based on the location of the office: http://tinyurl.com/yloxqd2 I suppose any of these are as good as what you pay for :-) Looks like a number of people will be staying near the RER-C "St Michel Notre Dame" station. Assuming all goes well and no mistakes are made, this is a 30 minute commute into Cisco (it;s a good idea to assume at least one problem or mistake, so give yourself 45 to be sure). Taxis work too, but of course are costlier unless you pile in 3 or 4 people= . - Mark On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Jason Livingood < jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote: > Because time is short and we have a small group, we=92re unable to lock = in > an =93official=94 hotel. Of course, Paris is a large and varied city wit= h many > lodging options to choose from. As the meeting venue (see below) is near > RER-C Issy Val de Seine, you could conceivably stay anywhere in the city. > As folks book a hotel, I might recommend you post to the list as this ma= y > help others choose where to stay (I myself have not booked anything but m= y > flight yet). > > Regards > Jason > > > On 3/17/10 4:29 PM, "Jason Livingood" > wrote: > > This is confirming that the meeting will occur in *Paris, France*, thanks > to Cisco=92s generous offer to host the meeting. Much more logistical > information will follow soon (we will try to leverage AMS for this). > > We will also update our draft agenda by the end of the week on our wiki a= t > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE > > In the meantime: > > 20 April and 21 April =97 in Paris > > Here is the location of the Cisco office: *http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973 > * > By metro: Closest stop is RER-C Issy Val de Seine. > > Regards > Jason > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > > > > > Regards, > Jason > > Jason Livingood > Executive Director > Internet Systems Engineering > National Engineering & Technical Operations > Comcast Cable Communications > 215-286-7813 > *jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com* > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > > --0016364d2f659d73d20483a43ef9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Some folks have asked what hotel should be booked close to the Cisc= o office. I honestly don't know which hotels are good or bad, and certa= inly don't know budgets or other preferences, but here is what hotels.com says based on the location of the off= ice:

http://tinyurl.com/yloxqd2
I suppose any of these are as good as what you pay for :-)

Loo= ks like a number of people will be staying near the RER-C "St Michel N= otre Dame" station. Assuming all goes well and no mistakes are made, t= his is a 30 minute commute into Cisco (it;s a good idea to assume at least = one problem or mistake, so give yourself 45 to be sure).

Taxis work too, but of course are costlier unless you pile in 3 or 4 pe= ople.

- Mark



On Fri, Apr 2= , 2010 at 10:59 PM, Jason Livingood <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com&g= t; wrote:
Because time is short and we have a small group, we=92re unable to = lock in an =93official=94 hotel. =A0Of course, Paris is a large and varied = city with many lodging options to choose from. =A0As the meeting venue (see= below) is near RER-C Issy Val de Seine, you could conceivably stay anywher= e in the city. =A0As folks book a hotel, I might recommend you post to the = list as this may help others choose where to stay (I myself have not booked= anything but my flight yet).

Regards
Jason


On 3/17/10 4:29 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comca= st.com> wrote:

This is confirming that the = meeting will occur in Paris, France, thanks to Cisco=92s generous of= fer to host the meeting. =A0Much more logistical information will follow so= on (we will try to leverage AMS for this).

We will also update our draft agenda by the end of the week on our wiki at = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE

In the meantime:

20 April and 21 April =97 in Paris

Here is the location of the Cisco office: http://tinyurl.com/yf8w9= 73

By metro: Closest stop is RER-C Issy Val de Seine.

Regards
Jason






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Regards,
Jason
=A0
Jason Livingood
Executive Director
Internet Systems Engineering
National Engineering & Technical Operations
Comcast Cable Communications
215-286-7813
jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com

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--0016364d2f659d73d20483a43ef9-- From mpaalvas@cisco.com Wed Apr 7 05:38:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A2B3A6828 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 05:38:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.368 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.368 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.370, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o-ARoMqqQLdo for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 05:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C11A3A6358 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 05:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: ams-iport-2.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4CAP4ZvEuQ/uCWe2dsb2JhbACBPocCkn8VAQELCyIGHKBNiHeQLIJxghgE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.51,378,1267401600"; d="scan'208,217";a="5285881" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Apr 2010 12:03:17 +0000 Received: from xbh-ams-201.cisco.com (xbh-ams-201.cisco.com [144.254.75.7]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o37CcZvf004297; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:38:35 GMT Received: from xmb-ams-112.cisco.com ([144.254.74.87]) by xbh-ams-201.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:38:35 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAD64F.3D5468D4" Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:38:33 +0200 Message-ID: <6566F4FA1F57D54DA2E2F086CD39606B0174954E@XMB-AMS-112.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris Thread-Index: AcrWSVY9vdwWGVkjQuG8sBcyzQshKwABAj4g References: From: "Mario Paalvast (mpaalvas)" To: "Mark Townsley" , "Jason Livingood" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2010 12:38:35.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D677030:01CAD64F] Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:38:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAD64F.3D5468D4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At walking distance ~ 1.1 km from Cisco Office to Hotel - reasonable price=20 =20 Hotel: http://www.pullman-paris-rive-gauche.abcsalles.com/=20 Pullman Paris Rive Gauche =20 Address: 8 12 Rue Louis Armand, Paris, 75015 =20 Cisco office=20 Address: L'Atlantis, 11, Rue Camille Desmoulins Issy Les Moulineaux, Ile De France =20 =20 Google map Link: =20 =20 Start: Cisco Systems Europe 11 Rue Camille Desmoulins 92130 Issy les Moulineaux, France End: 12 Rue Louis Armand 75015 Paris, France =20 =20 =20 Regards, Mario Paalvast =20 From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Townsley Sent: woensdag 7 april 2010 13:56 To: Jason Livingood Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris =20 Some folks have asked what hotel should be booked close to the Cisco office. I honestly don't know which hotels are good or bad, and certainly don't know budgets or other preferences, but here is what hotels.com says based on the location of the office: http://tinyurl.com/yloxqd2 I suppose any of these are as good as what you pay for :-) Looks like a number of people will be staying near the RER-C "St Michel Notre Dame" station. Assuming all goes well and no mistakes are made, this is a 30 minute commute into Cisco (it;s a good idea to assume at least one problem or mistake, so give yourself 45 to be sure).=20 Taxis work too, but of course are costlier unless you pile in 3 or 4 people. - Mark On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Jason Livingood wrote: Because time is short and we have a small group, we're unable to lock in an "official" hotel. Of course, Paris is a large and varied city with many lodging options to choose from. As the meeting venue (see below) is near RER-C Issy Val de Seine, you could conceivably stay anywhere in the city. As folks book a hotel, I might recommend you post to the list as this may help others choose where to stay (I myself have not booked anything but my flight yet). Regards Jason On 3/17/10 4:29 PM, "Jason Livingood" wrote: This is confirming that the meeting will occur in Paris, France, thanks to Cisco's generous offer to host the meeting. Much more logistical information will follow soon (we will try to leverage AMS for this).=20 We will also update our draft agenda by the end of the week on our wiki at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE In the meantime: 20 April and 21 April - in Paris Here is the location of the Cisco office: http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973 By metro: Closest stop is RER-C Issy Val de Seine. Regards Jason ________________________________ _______________________________________________ homegate mailing list homegate@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate Regards, Jason =20 Jason Livingood Executive Director Internet Systems Engineering National Engineering & Technical Operations Comcast Cable Communications 215-286-7813 jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com=20 _______________________________________________ homegate mailing list homegate@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAD64F.3D5468D4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

At walking distance ~ 1.1 km from Cisco Office to Hotel = – reasonable price

 

Hotel: =             &= nbsp;      http://www.p= ullman-paris-rive-gauche.abcsalles.com/

Pullman Paris Rive = Gauche    

Address:    8 12 Rue Louis Armand, = Paris,  75015

 

Cisco office

Address: =              = L'Atlantis, 11, Rue Camille Desmoulins Issy Les Moulineaux, Ile De = France

 

 

Google map Link: 

<htt= p://maps.google.nl/maps?f=3Dd&source=3Ds_d&saddr=3D11+Rue+Camille= +Desmoulins,+92130+Issy+les+Moulineaux,+France+(Cisco+Systems+Europe)&= ;daddr=3D8-12,+rue+Louis+Armand+75015+PARIS+FRANCE&hl=3Dnl&geocod= e=3DFekY6QIdrpMiACEhw3YOBb-9nSkx6CRQmnrmRzGsOG-yTu9B-Q%3BFesh6QIdRcIiACk_= 11fNdXDmRzGjNMJ6aTIRFA&mra=3Dls&dirflg=3Dd&sll=3D48.835543,2.= 279534&sspn=3D0.021553,0.046349&layer=3Dt&ie=3DUTF8&ll=3D= 48.832888,2.275329&spn=3D0.021554,0.046349&z=3D15>

 

Start: Cisco Systems Europe 11 Rue Camille = Desmoulins 92130 Issy les Moulineaux, France

End: 12 Rue Louis Armand 75015 Paris, = France

 

 

 

Regards,

Mario Paalvast

 

From:= homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Mark Townsley
Sent: woensdag 7 april 2010 13:56
To: Jason Livingood
Cc: homegate@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - = Paris

 



Some folks have asked what hotel should be booked close to the Cisco = office. I honestly don't know which hotels are good or bad, and certainly don't = know budgets or other preferences, but here is what hotels.com says based on the location of the office:

http://tinyurl.com/yloxqd2

I suppose any of these are as good as what you pay for :-)

Looks like a number of people will be staying near the RER-C "St = Michel Notre Dame" station. Assuming all goes well and no mistakes are = made, this is a 30 minute commute into Cisco (it;s a good idea to assume at least = one problem or mistake, so give yourself 45 to be sure).

Taxis work too, but of course are costlier unless you pile in 3 or 4 = people.

- Mark


On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Jason Livingood = <jason_livingood@cable.c= omcast.com> wrote:

Because time is short and we have a = small group, we’re unable to lock in an “official” hotel. =  Of course, Paris is a large and varied city with many lodging options to = choose from.  As the meeting venue (see below) is near RER-C Issy Val de = Seine, you could conceivably stay anywhere in the city.  As folks book a = hotel, I might recommend you post to the list as this may help others choose = where to stay (I myself have not booked anything but my flight yet).

Regards
Jason


On 3/17/10 4:29 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

This is confirming that the meeting will occur in = Paris, France, thanks to Cisco’s generous offer to host the meeting.  Much more logistical information will follow soon (we will try to leverage AMS for this).

We will also update our draft agenda by the end of the week on our wiki = at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE<= /a>

In the meantime:

20 April and 21 April — in Paris

Here is the location of the Cisco office: http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973

By metro: Closest stop is RER-C Issy Val de Seine.

Regards
Jason





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------_=_NextPart_001_01CAD64F.3D5468D4-- From mark@townsley.net Wed Apr 7 05:46:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420AD3A6930 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 05:46:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.531 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.531 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.093, BAYES_40=-0.185, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zQKn-RzmdiT2 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 05:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com (mail-yx0-f179.google.com [209.85.210.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD333A6945 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 05:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe9 with SMTP id 9so580522yxe.29 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 05:46:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.118.11 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 05:46:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:46:45 +0200 Received: by 10.91.55.25 with SMTP id h25mr2987530agk.61.1270644405639; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 05:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Mark Townsley To: Jason Livingood Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e641dace6f1b450483a4f493 Cc: Ray Bellis , "homegate@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDOR PRESENTATIONS X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:46:53 -0000 --0016e641dace6f1b450483a4f493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Getting a readout on the state of CPE deployment is a good thing to have. W= e do need to know where we are in order to know where we want to go. But, I think we would be far better served with a short survey from vendor participants that are attending as well as those that are not, and someone to present and summarize the results. Then I'd rather see a call for problem areas to discuss, preferably with an internet draft or other document to review in advance from the folks advocating for time. If we have problems that people are working on that match with our CPE data, great. If not, perhaps we need to try and drum up support in a specific area. I'd also like to know what other SDOs/Forums are working on, and what they would like to see from the IETF here. In this case, I'd hope to see someone present that can speak in a reasonably authoritative manner on what that SD= O is doing, so we know where and where not to step. Finally, I'd like to understand better architecturally why a homegate is or is not a classic host or a router, and whether we (the IETF) need to consider it as a different device altogether or not. This is the kind of information, I think, that will help us formulate what the IETF should or should not do in this space. Frankly, I don't want to se= e a list of vendor or SP presentations, I don't think we have time for that, and it would likely give us a very sparse view of the problem space as well= . - Mark Also - I know this isn't fully an IETF meeting, but in the spirit of an IET= F meeting let's focus on the problems we are trying to solve, not our company affiliations. We're predominantly individuals here, and while we may be biased by our paychecks and our expertise is certainly shaped by the work that we do, we are certainly not able to speak in a binding manner on behal= f of our companies here unless one of us happens to be the CEO or majority shareholder. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Jason Livingood < jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote: > On our agenda we have several slots for vendors to present. When we > drafted the agenda, we envisioned vendors possibly discussing the state o= f > their deployed gear (with respect to DNSSEC, IPv6, security threats, etc.= ), > how/if units are field-upgradable, the status of support in current/futur= e > gear, any confusion over specs that homegate could help with, and other > thoughts about either potential value add for homegate or conflicts/probl= ems > with homegate. > > We are happy to adjust timeslots to provide more or less time for device > companies to present, and even to add more slots. > > If you work at such a company, we=92d like you to consider presenting. > Please email the organizers on the cc list to advise of your interest. > > We have a tentative list of companies that may fit in this role: > 1 =96 Cisco/Linksys > 2 =96 2wire > 3 =96 Thompson > 4 =96 Apple > 5 =96 NetGear > 6 =96 D-Link > 7 =96 SMC > 8 - Belkin > 9 - AVM > 10 - TI > 11 - Broadcom > 12 - Wind River > 13 - Gatespace > 14 - Certicom > 15 - Freescale > 16 - Mocana > 17 - TeamF1 > > > Thanks!! > Jason > > > On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" > wrote: > > Our most recent agenda is at > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE > > Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda for > the workshop. I am working with all of the people on the cc list, so if = you > have any suggested changes please be sure they and the list are copied on > replies. > > Thanks > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > > --0016e641dace6f1b450483a4f493 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Getting a readout on the state of CPE deployment is a good thing to have. W= e do need to know where we are in order to know=20 where we want to go. But, I think we would be far better served with a shor= t survey=20 from vendor participants that are attending as well as those that are not, = and someone to present and summarize the results.

Then I'd rath= er see a call for problem areas to discuss, preferably with an internet dra= ft or other document to review in advance from the folks advocating for tim= e. If we have problems that people are working on that match with our CPE d= ata, great. If not, perhaps we need to try and drum up support in a specifi= c area.

I'd also like to know what other SDOs/Forums are working on, and wh= at they would like to see from the IETF here. In this case, I'd hope to= see someone present that can speak in a reasonably authoritative manner on= what that SDO is doing, so we know where and where not to step.

Finally, I'd like to understand better architecturally why a homega= te is or is not a classic host or a router, and whether we (the IETF) need = to consider it as a different device altogether or not.

This is the = kind of information, I think, that will help us formulate what the IETF sho= uld or should not do in this space. Frankly, I don't want to see a list= of vendor or SP presentations, I don't think we have time for that, an= d it would likely give us a very sparse view of the problem space as well.<= br>

- Mark

Also - I know this isn't fully an IETF meeting, but in the spirit of an= IETF=20 meeting let's focus on the problems we are trying to solve, not our=20 company affiliations. We're predominantly individuals here, and while w= e may be biased by our paychecks and our expertise is certainly shaped by the work that we do, we are certainly not able to speak in a binding=20 manner on behalf of our companies here unless one of us happens to be=20 the CEO or majority shareholder.

On Tue, = Apr 6, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Jason Livingood <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:
On our agenda we have several slots for vendors to present. =A0When= we drafted the agenda, we envisioned vendors possibly discussing the state= of their deployed gear (with respect to DNSSEC, IPv6, security threats, et= c.), how/if units are field-upgradable, the status of support in current/fu= ture gear, any confusion over specs that homegate could help with, and othe= r thoughts about either potential value add for homegate or conflicts/probl= ems with homegate.

We are happy to adjust timeslots to provide more or less time for device co= mpanies to present, and even to add more slots.

If you work at such a company, we=92d like you to consider presenting. =A0P= lease email the organizers on the cc list to advise of your interest.

We have a tentative list of companies that may fit in this role:
1 =96 Cisco/Linksys
2 =96 2wire
3 =96 Thompson
4 =96 Apple
5 =96 NetGear
6 =96 D-Link
7 =96 SMC
8 - Belkin
9 - AVM
10 - TI
11 - Broadcom
12 - Wind River
13 - Gatespace
14 - Certicom
15 - Freescale
16 - Mocana
17 - TeamF1

Thanks!!
Jason


On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comca= st.com> wrote:

Our most recent agenda is at ht= tp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE

Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda for t= he workshop. =A0I am working with all of the people on the cc list, so if y= ou have any suggested changes please be sure they and the list are copied o= n replies.

Thanks
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Jason

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--0016e641dace6f1b450483a4f493-- From hkirksey@motive.com Wed Apr 7 08:24:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20A828C133 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 08:24:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.299, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F36bbi2MbX-Z for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 08:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m1.motive.com (m1.motive.com [64.186.184.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA963A6978 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 08:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m1.motive.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 614763CDB; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 10:20:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellagio.motive.com (unknown [135.115.129.116]) by m1.motive.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FBA3CCD; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 10:20:30 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAD665.D81FFA54" Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 10:20:22 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS Thread-Index: AcrWUGdP1fOPsbYmQLiP9i02xhnE3gADXxJQ References: From: "Heather Kirksey" To: "Mark Townsley" , "Jason Livingood" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.6.353000 Cc: Ray Bellis , homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 15:24:19 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAD665.D81FFA54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, =20 I take your point about not wanting to hear a stream of vendor = presentations at the meeting. On the other hand, in list discussion and = at the BoF, I've definitely heard all sorts of statement or anecdotes = presented as facts about what this market is, what the CPE vendors care = about, and how they design their products, but I feel as though we've = heard little from the vendors themselves. To be blunt, I feel that most = of the support for Homegate is not coming from the CPE vendors = themselves but rather other constituencies. To me that says something = (whether good or bad I don't know), and I'd really like to hear some = vendor voices. =20 I also think it's very important to realize that there are very distinct = subsets of this industry as well: vendors that sell mainly to/through = service provider channels (whether cable or telco) and vendors that sell = mainly through retail. Within the telco channel at least (which is my = area of expertise compared to retail or cable), there is a pretty big = difference in the drivers for a company that's doing "higher end" = products with more cutting edge features in close collaboration with = their customers and those for a company that's providing a more cost = conscious "standard" product. I think would be somewhat na=EFve on our = part to treat the Homegate vendors as an undifferentiated mass, and = understanding the perspectives of different subsets of it could be = enlightening.=20 =20 That being said, obviously a bunch of company pitches would hardly be a = good use of our time. Too much presentation, not enough discussion = would also probably not be a good use of our time. There's a balance to = be struck here, but I really do believe that we need to hear a great = deal more from the folks who would theoretically be the target audience = of the work coming out of this group. =20 =20 Just my $.02. I think the architectural question you raise is quite = interesting, by the way. =20 Thanks, Heather=20 =20 From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Mark Townsley Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:47 AM To: Jason Livingood Cc: Ray Bellis; homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR = VENDORPRESENTATIONS =20 Getting a readout on the state of CPE deployment is a good thing to = have. We do need to know where we are in order to know where we want to = go. But, I think we would be far better served with a short survey from = vendor participants that are attending as well as those that are not, = and someone to present and summarize the results.=20 Then I'd rather see a call for problem areas to discuss, preferably with = an internet draft or other document to review in advance from the folks = advocating for time. If we have problems that people are working on that = match with our CPE data, great. If not, perhaps we need to try and drum = up support in a specific area. I'd also like to know what other SDOs/Forums are working on, and what = they would like to see from the IETF here. In this case, I'd hope to see = someone present that can speak in a reasonably authoritative manner on = what that SDO is doing, so we know where and where not to step. Finally, I'd like to understand better architecturally why a homegate is = or is not a classic host or a router, and whether we (the IETF) need to = consider it as a different device altogether or not. This is the kind of information, I think, that will help us formulate = what the IETF should or should not do in this space. Frankly, I don't = want to see a list of vendor or SP presentations, I don't think we have = time for that, and it would likely give us a very sparse view of the = problem space as well. - Mark Also - I know this isn't fully an IETF meeting, but in the spirit of an = IETF meeting let's focus on the problems we are trying to solve, not our = company affiliations. We're predominantly individuals here, and while we = may be biased by our paychecks and our expertise is certainly shaped by = the work that we do, we are certainly not able to speak in a binding = manner on behalf of our companies here unless one of us happens to be = the CEO or majority shareholder. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Jason Livingood = wrote: On our agenda we have several slots for vendors to present. When we = drafted the agenda, we envisioned vendors possibly discussing the state = of their deployed gear (with respect to DNSSEC, IPv6, security threats, = etc.), how/if units are field-upgradable, the status of support in = current/future gear, any confusion over specs that homegate could help = with, and other thoughts about either potential value add for homegate = or conflicts/problems with homegate. We are happy to adjust timeslots to provide more or less time for device = companies to present, and even to add more slots. If you work at such a company, we'd like you to consider presenting. = Please email the organizers on the cc list to advise of your interest. We have a tentative list of companies that may fit in this role: 1 - Cisco/Linksys=20 2 - 2wire 3 - Thompson 4 - Apple 5 - NetGear 6 - D-Link 7 - SMC 8 - Belkin 9 - AVM 10 - TI 11 - Broadcom 12 - Wind River 13 - Gatespace 14 - Certicom 15 - Freescale 16 - Mocana 17 - TeamF1 Thanks!! Jason On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" = wrote: Our most recent agenda is at = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda = for the workshop. I am working with all of the people on the cc list, = so if you have any suggested changes please be sure they and the list = are copied on replies. Thanks Jason=20 _______________________________________________ homegate mailing list homegate@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAD665.D81FFA54 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mark,

 

I take your point about not wanting to hear a stream of = vendor presentations at the meeting.=A0 On the other hand, in list discussion and at the BoF, = I’ve definitely heard all sorts of statement or anecdotes presented as facts = about what this market is, what the CPE vendors care about, and how they = design their products, but I feel as though we’ve heard little from the vendors themselves.=A0 To be blunt, I feel that most of the support for Homegate = is not coming from the CPE vendors themselves but rather other constituencies.=A0 To = me that says something (whether good or bad I don’t know), and I’d = really like to hear some vendor voices.

 

I also think it’s very important to realize that = there are very distinct subsets of this industry as well: =A0vendors that sell = mainly to/through service provider channels (whether cable or telco) and = vendors that sell mainly through retail.=A0 Within the telco channel at least (which = is my area of expertise compared to retail or cable), there is a pretty big difference in the drivers for a company that’s doing “higher = end” products with more cutting edge features in close collaboration with = their customers and those for a company that’s providing a more cost = conscious “standard” product.=A0 I think would be somewhat na=EFve on our part to treat the = Homegate vendors as an undifferentiated mass, and understanding the perspectives = of different subsets of it could be enlightening.

 

That being said, obviously a bunch of company pitches = would hardly be a good use of our time. =A0Too much presentation, not enough = discussion would also probably not be a good use of our time.=A0 There’s a = balance to be struck here, but I really do believe that we need to hear a great = deal more from the folks who would theoretically be the target audience of the = work coming out of this group.=A0

 

Just my $.02.=A0 I think the architectural question you = raise is quite interesting, by the way.

 

Thanks,

Heather

 

From:= homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Mark Townsley
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:47 AM
To: Jason Livingood
Cc: Ray Bellis; homegate@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS

 


Getting a readout on the state of CPE deployment is a good thing to = have. We do need to know where we are in order to know where we want to go. But, I = think we would be far better served with a short survey from vendor participants = that are attending as well as those that are not, and someone to present and summarize the results.

Then I'd rather see a call for problem areas to discuss, preferably with = an internet draft or other document to review in advance from the folks = advocating for time. If we have problems that people are working on that match with = our CPE data, great. If not, perhaps we need to try and drum up support in a specific area.

I'd also like to know what other SDOs/Forums are working on, and what = they would like to see from the IETF here. In this case, I'd hope to see = someone present that can speak in a reasonably authoritative manner on what that = SDO is doing, so we know where and where not to step.

Finally, I'd like to understand better architecturally why a homegate is = or is not a classic host or a router, and whether we (the IETF) need to = consider it as a different device altogether or not.

This is the kind of information, I think, that will help us formulate = what the IETF should or should not do in this space. Frankly, I don't want to see = a list of vendor or SP presentations, I don't think we have time for that, and = it would likely give us a very sparse view of the problem space as = well.


- Mark

Also - I know this isn't fully an IETF meeting, but in the spirit of an = IETF meeting let's focus on the problems we are trying to solve, not our = company affiliations. We're predominantly individuals here, and while we may be = biased by our paychecks and our expertise is certainly shaped by the work that = we do, we are certainly not able to speak in a binding manner on behalf of our companies here unless one of us happens to be the CEO or majority = shareholder.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Jason Livingood = <jason_livingood@cable.c= omcast.com> wrote:

On our agenda we have several slots for vendors to present.  When we = drafted the agenda, we envisioned vendors possibly discussing the state of their deployed gear (with respect to DNSSEC, IPv6, security threats, etc.), = how/if units are field-upgradable, the status of support in current/future = gear, any confusion over specs that homegate could help with, and other thoughts = about either potential value add for homegate or conflicts/problems with = homegate.

We are happy to adjust timeslots to provide more or less time for device companies to present, and even to add more slots.

If you work at such a company, we’d like you to consider = presenting.  Please email the organizers on the cc list to advise of your = interest.

We have a tentative list of companies that may fit in this role:
1 – Cisco/Linksys
2 – 2wire
3 – Thompson
4 – Apple
5 – NetGear
6 – D-Link
7 – SMC
8 - Belkin
9 - AVM
10 - TI
11 - Broadcom
12 - Wind River
13 - Gatespace
14 - Certicom
15 - Freescale
16 - Mocana
17 - TeamF1


Thanks!!
Jason


On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

Our most recent agenda is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE<= /a>

Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda = for the workshop.  I am working with all of the people on the cc list, so = if you have any suggested changes please be sure they and the list are copied = on replies.

Thanks

  = ;            =          Jason


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------_=_NextPart_001_01CAD665.D81FFA54-- From duncan_bees@telus.net Wed Apr 7 08:35:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0B23A6AC7 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 08:35:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0sgIYPW3YJtl for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 08:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from defout.telus.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED903A695C for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 08:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from edtnaa02.telusplanet.net ([154.5.59.240]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100407153416.JXBU3954.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@edtnaa02.telusplanet.net>; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:34:16 -0600 Received: from DuncansmallPC (d154-5-59-240.bchsia.telus.net [154.5.59.240]) by edtnaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 9090A3F3EFBD19BB; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:34:14 -0600 (MDT) From: "Duncan Bees" To: "'Heather Kirksey'" , "'Mark Townsley'" , "'Jason Livingood'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 08:34:17 -0700 Message-ID: <010c01cad667$c90194a0$5b04bde0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010D_01CAD62D.1CA2BCA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcrWUGdP1fOPsbYmQLiP9i02xhnE3gADXxJQAAJAhRA= Content-Language: en-ca X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:11:49 -0700 Cc: 'Ray Bellis' , homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 15:35:24 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010D_01CAD62D.1CA2BCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, =20 Vendor perspective is great, but one suggestion is to allocate enough = time for each SDO to fully explain their work and approach regarding Home Gateways; I think we have 30 minutes at present which seems a little = thin (presumably that also includes discussion and/or questions).=20 =20 I guess we need an understanding of what each group is already doing, = and what/why/how Homegate plans to do the complement that work.=20 =20 Duncan =20 =20 =20 From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Heather Kirksey Sent: April-07-10 8:20 AM To: Mark Townsley; Jason Livingood Cc: Ray Bellis; homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS =20 Mark, =20 I take your point about not wanting to hear a stream of vendor = presentations at the meeting. On the other hand, in list discussion and at the BoF, = I=92ve definitely heard all sorts of statement or anecdotes presented as facts about what this market is, what the CPE vendors care about, and how they design their products, but I feel as though we=92ve heard little from = the vendors themselves. To be blunt, I feel that most of the support for Homegate is not coming from the CPE vendors themselves but rather other constituencies. To me that says something (whether good or bad I = don=92t know), and I=92d really like to hear some vendor voices. =20 I also think it=92s very important to realize that there are very = distinct subsets of this industry as well: vendors that sell mainly to/through service provider channels (whether cable or telco) and vendors that sell mainly through retail. Within the telco channel at least (which is my = area of expertise compared to retail or cable), there is a pretty big = difference in the drivers for a company that=92s doing =93higher end=94 products = with more cutting edge features in close collaboration with their customers and = those for a company that=92s providing a more cost conscious =93standard=94 = product. I think would be somewhat na=EFve on our part to treat the Homegate = vendors as an undifferentiated mass, and understanding the perspectives of = different subsets of it could be enlightening.=20 =20 That being said, obviously a bunch of company pitches would hardly be a = good use of our time. Too much presentation, not enough discussion would = also probably not be a good use of our time. There=92s a balance to be = struck here, but I really do believe that we need to hear a great deal more = from the folks who would theoretically be the target audience of the work = coming out of this group. =20 =20 Just my $.02. I think the architectural question you raise is quite interesting, by the way. =20 Thanks, Heather=20 =20 From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Mark Townsley Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:47 AM To: Jason Livingood Cc: Ray Bellis; homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS =20 Getting a readout on the state of CPE deployment is a good thing to = have. We do need to know where we are in order to know where we want to go. But, = I think we would be far better served with a short survey from vendor participants that are attending as well as those that are not, and = someone to present and summarize the results.=20 Then I'd rather see a call for problem areas to discuss, preferably with = an internet draft or other document to review in advance from the folks advocating for time. If we have problems that people are working on that match with our CPE data, great. If not, perhaps we need to try and drum = up support in a specific area. I'd also like to know what other SDOs/Forums are working on, and what = they would like to see from the IETF here. In this case, I'd hope to see = someone present that can speak in a reasonably authoritative manner on what that = SDO is doing, so we know where and where not to step. Finally, I'd like to understand better architecturally why a homegate is = or is not a classic host or a router, and whether we (the IETF) need to consider it as a different device altogether or not. This is the kind of information, I think, that will help us formulate = what the IETF should or should not do in this space. Frankly, I don't want to = see a list of vendor or SP presentations, I don't think we have time for = that, and it would likely give us a very sparse view of the problem space as = well. - Mark Also - I know this isn't fully an IETF meeting, but in the spirit of an = IETF meeting let's focus on the problems we are trying to solve, not our = company affiliations. We're predominantly individuals here, and while we may be biased by our paychecks and our expertise is certainly shaped by the = work that we do, we are certainly not able to speak in a binding manner on = behalf of our companies here unless one of us happens to be the CEO or majority shareholder. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Jason Livingood wrote: On our agenda we have several slots for vendors to present. When we = drafted the agenda, we envisioned vendors possibly discussing the state of their deployed gear (with respect to DNSSEC, IPv6, security threats, etc.), = how/if units are field-upgradable, the status of support in current/future = gear, any confusion over specs that homegate could help with, and other = thoughts about either potential value add for homegate or conflicts/problems with homegate. We are happy to adjust timeslots to provide more or less time for device companies to present, and even to add more slots. If you work at such a company, we=92d like you to consider presenting. = Please email the organizers on the cc list to advise of your interest. We have a tentative list of companies that may fit in this role: 1 =96 Cisco/Linksys=20 2 =96 2wire 3 =96 Thompson 4 =96 Apple 5 =96 NetGear 6 =96 D-Link 7 =96 SMC 8 - Belkin 9 - AVM 10 - TI 11 - Broadcom 12 - Wind River 13 - Gatespace 14 - Certicom 15 - Freescale 16 - Mocana 17 - TeamF1 Thanks!! Jason On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" = wrote: Our most recent agenda is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda = for the workshop. I am working with all of the people on the cc list, so if = you have any suggested changes please be sure they and the list are copied = on replies. Thanks Jason=20 _______________________________________________ homegate mailing list homegate@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate =20 ------=_NextPart_000_010D_01CAD62D.1CA2BCA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

 

Vendor perspective is great, but one suggestion is to = allocate enough time for each SDO to fully explain their work and approach = regarding Home Gateways; I think we have 30 minutes at present which seems a = little thin (presumably that also includes discussion and/or questions).

 

I guess we need an understanding of what each group is = already doing, and what/why/how Homegate plans to do the complement that work. =

 

Duncan

 

 

 

From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Heather = Kirksey
Sent: April-07-10 8:20 AM
To: Mark Townsley; Jason Livingood
Cc: Ray Bellis; homegate@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS

 

Mark,

 

I take your point about not wanting to hear a stream of = vendor presentations at the meeting.  On the other hand, in list = discussion and at the BoF, I’ve definitely heard all sorts of statement or = anecdotes presented as facts about what this market is, what the CPE vendors care about, and = how they design their products, but I feel as though we’ve heard = little from the vendors themselves.  To be blunt, I feel that most of the support = for Homegate is not coming from the CPE vendors themselves but rather other constituencies.  To me that says something (whether good or bad I = don’t know), and I’d really like to hear some vendor = voices.

 

I also think it’s very important to realize that = there are very distinct subsets of this industry as well:  vendors that sell = mainly to/through service provider channels (whether cable or telco) and = vendors that sell mainly through retail.  Within the telco channel at least = (which is my area of expertise compared to retail or cable), there is a pretty big = difference in the drivers for a company that’s doing “higher end” = products with more cutting edge features in close collaboration with their customers and = those for a company that’s providing a more cost conscious = “standard” product.  I think would be somewhat na=EFve on our part to treat the Homegate = vendors as an undifferentiated mass, and understanding the perspectives of different = subsets of it could be enlightening.

 

That being said, obviously a bunch of company pitches = would hardly be a good use of our time.  Too much presentation, not = enough discussion would also probably not be a good use of our time.  = There’s a balance to be struck here, but I really do believe that we need to hear = a great deal more from the folks who would theoretically be the target audience = of the work coming out of this group. 

 

Just my $.02.  I think the architectural question = you raise is quite interesting, by the way.

 

Thanks,

Heather

 

From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Townsley
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:47 AM
To: Jason Livingood
Cc: Ray Bellis; homegate@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS

 


Getting a readout on the state of CPE deployment is a good thing to = have. We do need to know where we are in order to know where we want to go. But, I = think we would be far better served with a short survey from vendor participants = that are attending as well as those that are not, and someone to present and summarize the results.

Then I'd rather see a call for problem areas to discuss, preferably with = an internet draft or other document to review in advance from the folks = advocating for time. If we have problems that people are working on that match with = our CPE data, great. If not, perhaps we need to try and drum up support in a specific area.

I'd also like to know what other SDOs/Forums are working on, and what = they would like to see from the IETF here. In this case, I'd hope to see = someone present that can speak in a reasonably authoritative manner on what that = SDO is doing, so we know where and where not to step.

Finally, I'd like to understand better architecturally why a homegate is = or is not a classic host or a router, and whether we (the IETF) need to = consider it as a different device altogether or not.

This is the kind of information, I think, that will help us formulate = what the IETF should or should not do in this space. Frankly, I don't want to see = a list of vendor or SP presentations, I don't think we have time for that, and = it would likely give us a very sparse view of the problem space as = well.


- Mark

Also - I know this isn't fully an IETF meeting, but in the spirit of an = IETF meeting let's focus on the problems we are trying to solve, not our = company affiliations. We're predominantly individuals here, and while we may be = biased by our paychecks and our expertise is certainly shaped by the work that = we do, we are certainly not able to speak in a binding manner on behalf of our companies here unless one of us happens to be the CEO or majority = shareholder.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:09 PM, = Jason Livingood <jason_livingood@cable.c= omcast.com> wrote:

On our agenda we have several slots for vendors to present.  When we = drafted the agenda, we envisioned vendors possibly discussing the state of their deployed gear (with respect to DNSSEC, IPv6, security threats, etc.), = how/if units are field-upgradable, the status of support in current/future = gear, any confusion over specs that homegate could help with, and other thoughts = about either potential value add for homegate or conflicts/problems with = homegate.

We are happy to adjust timeslots to provide more or less time for device companies to present, and even to add more slots.

If you work at such a company, we’d like you to consider = presenting.  Please email the organizers on the cc list to advise of your = interest.

We have a tentative list of companies that may fit in this role:
1 – Cisco/Linksys
2 – 2wire
3 – Thompson
4 – Apple
5 – NetGear
6 – D-Link
7 – SMC
8 - Belkin
9 - AVM
10 - TI
11 - Broadcom
12 - Wind River
13 - Gatespace
14 - Certicom
15 - Freescale
16 - Mocana
17 - TeamF1


Thanks!!
Jason


On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

Our most recent agenda is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE<= /a>

Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda = for the workshop.  I am working with all of the people on the cc list, so = if you have any suggested changes please be sure they and the list are copied = on replies.

Thanks

  = ;            =          Jason


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------=_NextPart_000_010D_01CAD62D.1CA2BCA0-- From dwing@cisco.com Wed Apr 7 09:27:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2243A695A for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:27:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=4.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c7CNOPrZcxnh for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FCD3A6946 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: ams-iport-1.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsACALpOvEuQ/uCWe2dsb2JhbACHWIEUhmuLSxUBAQsLIgYcoy+ZIIUJBIMk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.51,379,1267401600"; d="scan'208";a="59099963" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Apr 2010 16:25:36 +0000 Received: from dwingwxp01 (sjc-vpn7-1605.cisco.com [10.21.150.69]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o37GPUQc008982 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 16:25:35 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:25:31 -0700 Message-ID: <0ba501cad66e$f4f0d150$7893150a@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcrVqC7OJ0ti6Y3hX0akIdNiYHKmdwAAwujpABNwVgA= In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 16:27:21 -0000 I can't tell what all might be discussed in the presentations, but I am hoping there will be discussion that many home gateways will soon be in "new" environments including: * being behind a carrier's NAT44, resulting in a system (of the home's NAT44 and the carrier's NAT44) that is commonly called "NAT444". Would be interesting/useful to know if/how the home gateways will deal with that. draft-wing-softwire-port-control-protocol is one way to deal with one aspect of a NAT444 system. There are other aspects of a NAT444 system, including overlapped IP address space, optimized routing of traffic behind the carrier's NAT, and more. * IPv6, via dual-stack or 6rd. * IPv4 multicast for IPTV. separately, will anything be said about NAT44 ALGs during the two days? SIP ALG, RTSP ALG, H.323 ALG, PPTP "ALG", IPsec/IKE "ALG", etc. IETF has historically ignored NATs (and firewalls) and effectively ignored ALGs in those same devices. In our experience with home gateways, ALGs are a panacea which have interfered with application evolution. -d > -----Original Message----- > From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jason Livingood > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:05 AM > To: homegate@ietf.org > Cc: Ray Bellis > Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing > > In my haste, I've left off the correct folks on the cc list > for agenda feedback (duh). > > The workshop organizers above are: Lars Eggest, Jari Arkko, > Dave Oran, Mark Townsley, Ray Bellis, and Jason Livingood > > > J > > On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" > wrote: > > > > Our most recent agenda is at > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE > > Our main objective in the next several days is to > finalize the agenda for the workshop. I am working with all > of the people on the cc list, so if you have any suggested > changes please be sure they and the list are copied on replies. > > Thanks > Jason > > > From mail@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com Wed Apr 7 09:53:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473883A6839 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:53:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.573 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.248, BAYES_20=-0.74, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U2XKGTqvPYuo for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mintaka.sabahattin-gucukoglu.com (Mintaka.sabahattin-gucukoglu.com [IPv6:2002:adcb:c9c7::1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4AB28C120 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mintaka.sabahattin-gucukoglu.com ([::ffff:127.0.0.1]:50326) by Mintaka.sabahattin-gucukoglu.com with [XMail 1.27 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 17:53:34 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cpc4-dals7-0-0-cust274.hari.cable.virginmedia.com [62.31.227.19]) (using SMTP over TLS) by Mintaka (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 17:53:32 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 17:53:31 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Mark Townsley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12-kg2 (Pluto) From: Sabahattin Gucukoglu X-Primary-Address: mail@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com Cc: Ray Bellis , homegate@ietf.org Subject: [homegate] HomeGate Classic Hosts/Routers? - Was Re: April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDOR PRESENTATIONS X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sabahattin Gucukoglu List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 16:53:59 -0000 Please forgive me if this goes to somebody who doesn't want it, i.e., = because it is interfering with your meeting arrangements. On 7 Apr 2010, at 13:46, Mark Townsley wrote: Finally, I'd like to understand better architecturally why a homegate is = or is not a classic host or a router, and whether we (the IETF) need to = consider it as a different device altogether or not. This caught my attention, so I felt I'd take a stab at it. In reality = you've puzzled me as much. I have twice considered just throwing money = away and buying a Cisco service router to do my home networking, or else = getting a Soekris box and building my own. But I ended up just sticking = with one of Apple's base stations, in no small part because it also did = backups. So I think I'm qualified to at least vent my frustration. :-) Here is why a home gateway is a home gateway, now and in the future: * Integrated connectivity technology (DSL, cable, home power) * Integrated home automation or discovery for service provision (voice = lines, cameras, printers, grid control, speakers, hard drives) * Reduced security and configuration policy (home users don't need BGP, = and the defaults should work for them, while configuration should be = possible for "Advanced" users, including allowing potentially abused = services) * Out of the box for common home scenarios (NAT44/64/Softwire, dynamic = DNS update, IPv6 native/transitional, NTP) * Common apps, gateways and configuration (NAT-PMP, UPnP, ALGs, working = DNSProxy, tunnels and tunnels, voice, DHCP passthrough, et. al) * As far as possible, future-proof: firmware upgradable, maybe provider = management. * Personal: no provider/vendor lock-in on any of the above, thanks so = much. Interoperate! Now, you can make the convincing argument that all that is just a simple = router with some host functionality slapped in the same box, and you'd = be right. Well, in Linux you change a single sysctl and you've got the = same. The point is that whatever it is comes straight from the = provider, more often than not, and that it frequently isn't even running = the latest firmware, so whatever it is has to be pretty much = switch-on-and-forget. Cheers, Sabahattin From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Wed Apr 7 10:05:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D563A68E6 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 10:05:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.632 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.632 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IHcqjTAom4Cj for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 10:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A573A6765 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 10:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.158] (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o37H4r7n020967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Apr 2010 10:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0ba501cad66e$f4f0d150$7893150a@cisco.com> References: <0ba501cad66e$f4f0d150$7893150a@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 10:04:52 -0700 To: "Dan Wing" , From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 17:05:00 -0000 At 9:25 AM -0700 4/7/10, Dan Wing wrote: >I can't tell what all might be discussed in the presentations, but I am hoping >there will be discussion that many home gateways will soon be in "new" >environments including: > > * being behind a carrier's NAT44, resulting in a system (of the > home's NAT44 and the carrier's NAT44) that is commonly called > "NAT444". > > Would be interesting/useful to know if/how the home gateways > will deal with that. draft-wing-softwire-port-control-protocol > is one way to deal with one aspect of a NAT444 system. There > are other aspects of a NAT444 system, including overlapped > IP address space, optimized routing of traffic behind the > carrier's NAT, and more. This is critical. In a few tests I have done, home gateways that get their WAN address by DHCP and then get a private-address-space address do wildly different things: - Work - Lock up silently - Repeatedly request a different DHCP address --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From hkirksey@motive.com Wed Apr 7 11:07:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07ED93A69C1 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:07:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.650, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bx0MkChP66rh for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m1.motive.com (m1.motive.com [64.186.184.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAA128C13E for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m1.motive.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 959483CAC; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:07:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellagio.motive.com (unknown [135.115.129.116]) by m1.motive.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5F13C45; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:07:33 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAD67D.27990056" Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:07:15 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris Thread-Index: AcrWSU0PMGcim50MRn2EsnANIPw82AAM6JBg References: From: "Heather Kirksey" To: "Mark Townsley" , "Jason Livingood" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.6.353000 Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:07:59 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAD67D.27990056 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, =20 The RER runs quite frequently (similar to the Metro), correct?=20 =20 From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Townsley Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:56 AM To: Jason Livingood Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris =20 Some folks have asked what hotel should be booked close to the Cisco office. I honestly don't know which hotels are good or bad, and certainly don't know budgets or other preferences, but here is what hotels.com says based on the location of the office: http://tinyurl.com/yloxqd2 I suppose any of these are as good as what you pay for :-) Looks like a number of people will be staying near the RER-C "St Michel Notre Dame" station. Assuming all goes well and no mistakes are made, this is a 30 minute commute into Cisco (it;s a good idea to assume at least one problem or mistake, so give yourself 45 to be sure).=20 Taxis work too, but of course are costlier unless you pile in 3 or 4 people. - Mark On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Jason Livingood wrote: Because time is short and we have a small group, we're unable to lock in an "official" hotel. Of course, Paris is a large and varied city with many lodging options to choose from. As the meeting venue (see below) is near RER-C Issy Val de Seine, you could conceivably stay anywhere in the city. As folks book a hotel, I might recommend you post to the list as this may help others choose where to stay (I myself have not booked anything but my flight yet). Regards Jason On 3/17/10 4:29 PM, "Jason Livingood" wrote: This is confirming that the meeting will occur in Paris, France, thanks to Cisco's generous offer to host the meeting. Much more logistical information will follow soon (we will try to leverage AMS for this).=20 We will also update our draft agenda by the end of the week on our wiki at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE In the meantime: 20 April and 21 April - in Paris Here is the location of the Cisco office: http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973 By metro: Closest stop is RER-C Issy Val de Seine. Regards Jason ________________________________ _______________________________________________ homegate mailing list homegate@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate Regards, Jason =20 Jason Livingood Executive Director Internet Systems Engineering National Engineering & Technical Operations Comcast Cable Communications 215-286-7813 jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com=20 _______________________________________________ homegate mailing list homegate@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAD67D.27990056 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mark,

 

The RER runs quite frequently (similar to the Metro), = correct?

 

From:= homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Mark Townsley
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - = Paris

 



Some folks have asked what hotel should be booked close to the Cisco = office. I honestly don't know which hotels are good or bad, and certainly don't = know budgets or other preferences, but here is what hotels.com says based on the location of the office:

http://tinyurl.com/yloxqd2

I suppose any of these are as good as what you pay for :-)

Looks like a number of people will be staying near the RER-C "St = Michel Notre Dame" station. Assuming all goes well and no mistakes are = made, this is a 30 minute commute into Cisco (it;s a good idea to assume at least = one problem or mistake, so give yourself 45 to be sure).

Taxis work too, but of course are costlier unless you pile in 3 or 4 = people.

- Mark


On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Jason Livingood = <jason_livingood@cable.c= omcast.com> wrote:

Because time is short and we have a = small group, we’re unable to lock in an “official” hotel. =  Of course, Paris is a large and varied city with many lodging options to choose from.  As = the meeting venue (see below) is near RER-C Issy Val de Seine, you could conceivably stay anywhere in the city.  As folks book a hotel, I = might recommend you post to the list as this may help others choose where to = stay (I myself have not booked anything but my flight yet).

Regards
Jason


On 3/17/10 4:29 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

This is confirming that the meeting will occur in = Paris, France, thanks to Cisco’s generous offer to host the meeting. =  Much more logistical information will follow soon (we will try to leverage = AMS for this).

We will also update our draft agenda by the end of the week on our wiki = at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE<= /a>

In the meantime:

20 April and 21 April — in Paris

Here is the location of the Cisco office: http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973

By metro: Closest stop is RER-C Issy Val de Seine.

Regards
Jason





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------_=_NextPart_001_01CAD67D.27990056-- From townsley@cisco.com Wed Apr 7 12:11:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51CB3A696A for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:11:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, GB_I_LETTER=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qvbHnE-3pSD4 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF333A68F3 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-4.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAN91vEurR7Hu/2dsb2JhbACbInGjM4h3kCWCcYIYBIMkhnc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,164,1270425600"; d="scan'208";a="111803557" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Apr 2010 19:11:47 +0000 Received: from iwan-view3.cisco.com (iwan-view3.cisco.com [171.70.65.13]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o37JBl1A017899 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:11:47 GMT Received: from ams-townsley-87112.cisco.com (ams-townsley-87112.cisco.com [10.55.233.237]) by iwan-view3.cisco.com (8.11.2/CISCO.WS.1.2) with ESMTP id o37JBjY22801 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BBCD8F0.40307@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:11:44 -0700 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: homegate@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:11:53 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 4/7/10 11:07 AM, Heather Kirksey wrote: > Mark, > > > > The RER runs quite frequently (similar to the Metro), correct? Assuming no strikes, etc. the RER runs *almost* as frequently as the Metro. Every several minutes. But, you have to be more careful, as you could end up on the wrong train, even if you are at the right station and on the right side of the tracks. I'll expound a bit here... For those that have not been to Paris, or have and have avoided public transport: The Metro system, with numbered lines (1, 2, 3 ... 14), serves Paris itself (the 20 districts, 75001 - 75020) and just a bit of the surrounding area. "Within the beltway" one might say if you are from the Washington DC area. Short stops, frequent trains. The RER, with lettered lines (A, B, ... E) is a regional train, it extends deep into the suburbs and happens to pass through Paris in the process. The trains run less frequently than the Metro, but still often enough that you don't need to schedule ahead unless you want, say, an express RER to the airport. Within Paris, the RER stops are further apart than Metro stops (with the exception perhaps of the 14), so you go further faster. But, the trains don't come as often. If you are ever confused as to why sometimes you need your Metro ticket when you exit a station in Paris and sometimes you don't, it's quite simple: In the long RER line, the system has to check your ticket on the way in and on the way out. The price of the ticket depends on how many zones you pass through. The Metro system is always a single zone, so one ticket, only on entry. Two very important points about the RER-C. 1. For the RER-C line, you will have to get a ticket specifically Paris to ISSY VAL DE SEINE. The regular metro tickets are not sufficient. 2. The RER C forks just before ISSY VAL DE SEINE when exiting Paris. So, you have to be sure to step on the right train, otherwise you will swing back up north and end up in the 16th and then out towards a different set of suburbs. RER stations *always* list the stops on a panel, make sure you get on a train that lists the stop you want. Same is true if you use the RER-B to go to the airport, etc. I'll respond to the technical discussion on the list when I get to the airport tomorrow morning. I'm headed to San Jose in a little while... - - Mark > > > > From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Mark Townsley > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:56 AM > To: Jason Livingood > Cc: homegate@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris > > > > > > Some folks have asked what hotel should be booked close to the Cisco > office. I honestly don't know which hotels are good or bad, and > certainly don't know budgets or other preferences, but here is what > hotels.com says based on the location of the office: > > http://tinyurl.com/yloxqd2 > > I suppose any of these are as good as what you pay for :-) > > Looks like a number of people will be staying near the RER-C "St Michel > Notre Dame" station. Assuming all goes well and no mistakes are made, > this is a 30 minute commute into Cisco (it;s a good idea to assume at > least one problem or mistake, so give yourself 45 to be sure). > > Taxis work too, but of course are costlier unless you pile in 3 or 4 > people. > > - Mark > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Jason Livingood > wrote: > > Because time is short and we have a small group, we're unable to lock in > an "official" hotel. Of course, Paris is a large and varied city with > many lodging options to choose from. As the meeting venue (see below) > is near RER-C Issy Val de Seine, you could conceivably stay anywhere in > the city. As folks book a hotel, I might recommend you post to the list > as this may help others choose where to stay (I myself have not booked > anything but my flight yet). > > Regards > Jason > > > On 3/17/10 4:29 PM, "Jason Livingood" > wrote: > > This is confirming that the meeting will occur in Paris, France, thanks > to Cisco's generous offer to host the meeting. Much more logistical > information will follow soon (we will try to leverage AMS for this). > > We will also update our draft agenda by the end of the week on our wiki > at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE > > In the meantime: > > 20 April and 21 April - in Paris > > Here is the location of the Cisco office: http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973 > > By metro: Closest stop is RER-C Issy Val de Seine. > > Regards > Jason > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > > > > > Regards, > Jason > > Jason Livingood > Executive Director > Internet Systems Engineering > National Engineering & Technical Operations > Comcast Cable Communications > 215-286-7813 > jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLvNjvAAoJEBAcHDFx3DUIEXEH/1G8jLw2veJxGvwX+ayr9Jlk kwFKDcUg1LB1SVFBQmk+iQUnAQYzCW8f2FALuSE5aDlr9T5dMobDbDP8DphsRWgt Uu56WuhtD9e5wpGCITwcZU8wJSpNRjcUC/uwUdWpYAPcZrYbkDHB6Vc0aowP6Dcs ya7dEk803npMTw0Y6i5bsSHy3pe94BkYw+Q0BuwcT3+l3qdOk8Eb2/TOjG4Tjthp lGVOBlKLrkk0R0p1s6BXrdC5Pi5rENeA8uac6Nkl9CI6htA/9jtA1RLViSmj4r66 qTne1cz5a3SasHWkh2++lJ1P4c+OjQO+0rEqO1kJDhcn9e9igL7gQIFCVUA+97w= =lcL4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bortzmeyer@nic.fr Wed Apr 7 12:31:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67D03A69D2 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:31:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6-PAJMuH8N5G for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (aetius.bortzmeyer.org [217.70.190.232]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C033A68F9 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 4A9CD94F46; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 21:30:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 36D2B157885; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 21:28:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 21:28:27 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: "Mario Paalvast (mpaalvas)" Message-ID: <20100407192827.GA2160@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <6566F4FA1F57D54DA2E2F086CD39606B0174954E@XMB-AMS-112.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <6566F4FA1F57D54DA2E2F086CD39606B0174954E@XMB-AMS-112.cisco.com> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 9.10 (karmic) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:31:22 -0000 On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 02:38:33PM +0200, Mario Paalvast (mpaalvas) wrote a message of 552 lines which said: > At walking distance ~ 1.1 km from Cisco Office to Hotel I cannot comment on the hotel itself but do note it is not necessary to walk. Tramway T2 is just in front of the hotel and goes to Issy (from the hotel, take direction La Défense and stop at Issy-Val de Seine). Also, the subway station Balard (line 8) is not far from this hotel so you may go to more animated areas quite fast. I seize the opportunity to mention that the best traffic planner is http://www.ratp.info/ (it has an english version). You can indicate start and destination by address or name ("eiffel tower") and you can select various criteria (fastest, less change, etc). From townsley@cisco.com Wed Apr 7 12:47:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC51F3A6949 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:47:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZIsDQBC88PeA for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95D93A6912 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-5.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AucGAJt9vEurR7Hu/2dsb2JhbACPWItLcaMUiHeQKoUJBIMkhnc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,164,1270425600"; d="scan'208";a="179623188" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Apr 2010 19:47:16 +0000 Received: from iwan-view3.cisco.com (iwan-view3.cisco.com [171.70.65.13]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o37JlGb2015059 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:47:16 GMT Received: from ams-townsley-87112.cisco.com (ams-townsley-87112.cisco.com [10.55.233.237]) by iwan-view3.cisco.com (8.11.2/CISCO.WS.1.2) with ESMTP id o37JlEY26918 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BBCE141.3030701@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:47:13 -0700 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: homegate@ietf.org References: <6566F4FA1F57D54DA2E2F086CD39606B0174954E@XMB-AMS-112.cisco.com> <20100407192827.GA2160@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> In-Reply-To: <20100407192827.GA2160@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:47:20 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 4/7/10 12:28 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 02:38:33PM +0200, > Mario Paalvast (mpaalvas) wrote > a message of 552 lines which said: > >> At walking distance ~ 1.1 km from Cisco Office to Hotel > > I cannot comment on the hotel itself but do note it is not necessary > to walk. Tramway T2 is just in front of the hotel and goes to Issy > (from the hotel, take direction La Défense and stop at Issy-Val de > Seine). Yes! I forgot to mention the T2. I haven't taken it in many years, but from what I remember it was great. > > Also, the subway station Balard (line 8) is not far from this hotel so > you may go to more animated areas quite fast. Absolutely. If it is a nice day, Balard -> Cisco is a perfectly reasonable walk, and you stay within the Metro system which is a plus. There are Buses that are quite nice as well (39 is a good one from Paris if I remember). - - Mark > > I seize the opportunity to mention that the best traffic planner is > http://www.ratp.info/ (it has an english version). You can indicate > start and destination by address or name ("eiffel tower") and you can > select various criteria (fastest, less change, etc). > > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLvOFAAAoJEBAcHDFx3DUIVVYIAIEH6f4/rwJWpslUZsQyThJz J9xEavrO5NMdu+33ymnNRHYIfpyqI4w28ydMbcurd+RBeY8BHAuYOtimREnxVqrX GAh0lZBDMNjJ7PPpQmvyPdpAUOkAvCs1kUTuB/5MwaqEuzoPJmDRTAtt3VB7cQZK Nl3UGg2ZZNaDkWKXGjO99uheMrmRc7aZcMZ8nlvCHk8sGxtPApspvCyDUlmweA+L faY55xnUSXOeLou90jFmkW/v+K260gCvkSHPNxwzsVMC3QiyZw4ieku9A6jAiPNX BArul0Wlz6sUMBztne1QKAkUMQ6vSL+AKGd6bDv0wYwhye+fcal1QEwREY8cOEc= =iD8p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mark@townsley.net Fri Apr 9 08:12:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB6B3A6923 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:12:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.624 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.624 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9exzicosHniT for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f44.google.com (mail-gw0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B753A683A for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb1 with SMTP id 1so92256gwb.31 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:12:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.119.1 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:12:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6566F4FA1F57D54DA2E2F086CD39606B0174954E@XMB-AMS-112.cisco.com> References: <6566F4FA1F57D54DA2E2F086CD39606B0174954E@XMB-AMS-112.cisco.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:12:17 -0700 Received: by 10.91.1.2 with SMTP id d2mr82234agi.121.1270825938084; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Mark Townsley To: "Mario Paalvast (mpaalvas)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016362842e49c62590483cf384b Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 15:12:27 -0000 --0016362842e49c62590483cf384b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pullman -> Cisco looks like this for that pullman. Definitely walkable, but there is a lot of construction going on in the area, so don't expect it to be an enjoyable waltz along the seine. Good option for those who want to be near the meeting venue. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dd&source=3Ds_d&saddr=3D11+Rue+Camille+Desmo= ulins,+92130+Issy-les-Moulineaux,+France&daddr=3D8-12+Rue+Louis+Armand,+750= 15+Paris,+France&hl=3Den&geocode=3DFZ8X6QIdiZIiACkx6CRQmnrmRzGsOG-yTu9B-Q%3= BFesh6QIdRMIiACFhE4ftMQUwhyk_11fNdXDmRzGjNMJ6aTIRFA&mra=3Dls&sll=3D48.83383= 4,2.277946&sspn=3D0.009124,0.021544&ie=3DUTF8&ll=3D48.829879,2.269428&spn= =3D0.009125,0.021544&t=3Dh&z=3D16 On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:38 AM, Mario Paalvast (mpaalvas) < mpaalvas@cisco.com> wrote: > At walking distance ~ 1.1 km from Cisco Office to Hotel =96 reasonable > price > > > > Hotel: > http://www.pullman-paris-rive-gauche.abcsalles.com/ > > Pullman Paris Rive Gauche > > Address: 8 12 Rue Louis Armand, Paris, 75015 > > > > Cisco office > > Address: L'Atlantis, 11, Rue Camille Desmoulins Issy Les > Moulineaux, Ile De France > > > > > > Google map Link: > > < > http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=3Dd&source=3Ds_d&saddr=3D11+Rue+Camille+Desm= oulins,+92130+Issy+les+Moulineaux,+France+(Cisco+Systems+Europe)&daddr=3D8-= 12,+rue+Louis+Armand+75015+PARIS+FRANCE&hl=3Dnl&geocode=3DFekY6QIdrpMiACEhw= 3YOBb-9nSkx6CRQmnrmRzGsOG-yTu9B-Q%3BFesh6QIdRcIiACk_11fNdXDmRzGjNMJ6aTIRFA&= mra=3Dls&dirflg=3Dd&sll=3D48.835543,2.279534&sspn=3D0.021553,0.046349&layer= =3Dt&ie=3DUTF8&ll=3D48.832888,2.275329&spn=3D0.021554,0.046349&z=3D15 > > > > > > Start: Cisco Systems Europe 11 Rue Camille Desmoulins 92130 Issy les > Moulineaux, France > > End: 12 Rue Louis Armand 75015 Paris, France > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Mario Paalvast > > > > *From:* homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] *On > Behalf Of *Mark Townsley > *Sent:* woensdag 7 april 2010 13:56 > *To:* Jason Livingood > *Cc:* homegate@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris > > > > > > Some folks have asked what hotel should be booked close to the Cisco > office. I honestly don't know which hotels are good or bad, and certainly > don't know budgets or other preferences, but here is what hotels.com says > based on the location of the office: > > http://tinyurl.com/yloxqd2 > > I suppose any of these are as good as what you pay for :-) > > Looks like a number of people will be staying near the RER-C "St Michel > Notre Dame" station. Assuming all goes well and no mistakes are made, thi= s > is a 30 minute commute into Cisco (it;s a good idea to assume at least on= e > problem or mistake, so give yourself 45 to be sure). > > Taxis work too, but of course are costlier unless you pile in 3 or 4 > people. > > - Mark > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Jason Livingood < > jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote: > > Because time is short and we have a small group, we=92re unable to lock i= n an > =93official=94 hotel. Of course, Paris is a large and varied city with m= any > lodging options to choose from. As the meeting venue (see below) is near > RER-C Issy Val de Seine, you could conceivably stay anywhere in the city. > As folks book a hotel, I might recommend you post to the list as this ma= y > help others choose where to stay (I myself have not booked anything but m= y > flight yet). > > Regards > Jason > > > On 3/17/10 4:29 PM, "Jason Livingood" > wrote: > > This is confirming that the meeting will occur in *Paris, France*, thanks > to Cisco=92s generous offer to host the meeting. Much more logistical > information will follow soon (we will try to leverage AMS for this). > > We will also update our draft agenda by the end of the week on our wiki a= t > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE > > In the meantime: > > 20 April and 21 April =97 in Paris > > Here is the location of the Cisco office: *http://tinyurl.com/yf8w973 > * > By metro: Closest stop is RER-C Issy Val de Seine. > > Regards > Jason > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > > > > > Regards, > Jason > > Jason Livingood > Executive Director > Internet Systems Engineering > National Engineering & Technical Operations > Comcast Cable Communications > 215-286-7813 > *jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com* > > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > > > --0016362842e49c62590483cf384b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Pullman -> Cisco looks like this for that pullman.

Definitely walkable, but there is a lot of construc= tion going on in the area, so don't expect it to be an enjoyable waltz = along the seine. Good option for those who want to be near the meeting venu= e.



On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:38 AM, Mario Pa= alvast (mpaalvas) <mpaalvas@cisco.com> wrote:

At wa= lking distance ~ 1.1 km from Cisco Office to Hotel =96 reasonable price

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Pullman Paris Rive Gauche=A0=A0=A0=A0

Address: =A0=A0 8 12 Rue Louis Armand, Paris,=A0 75015

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Start: Cisco Systems Europe 11 Rue Camille Desmoulins 92130 Issy les Moulineaux, France

End: 12 Rue Louis Armand 75015 Paris, France

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Regards,

Mario Paalvast

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From:= homegate-bou= nces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Townsley
Sent: woensdag 7 april 2010 13:56
To: Jason Livingood
Cc: homegate@= ietf.org
Subject: Re: [homegate] Hotels for Workshop - Paris

=A0



Some folks have asked what hotel should be booked close to the Cisco office= . I honestly don't know which hotels are good or bad, and certainly don'= ;t know budgets or other preferences, but here is what hotels.com says based on the location of the office:

http://tinyurl.com= /yloxqd2

I suppose any of these are as good as what you pay for :-)

Looks like a number of people will be staying near the RER-C "St Miche= l Notre Dame" station. Assuming all goes well and no mistakes are made, = this is a 30 minute commute into Cisco (it;s a good idea to assume at least one problem or mistake, so give yourself 45 to be sure).

Taxis work too, but of course are costlier unless you pile in 3 or 4 people= .

- Mark


On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Jason Livingood <= ;jas= on_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

Because time is short and we have a small group, we=92re unable to lock in an =93official=94 hotel. =A0Of course, Paris is a large and varied city with many lodging options to choos= e from. =A0As the meeting venue (see below) is near RER-C Issy Val de Seine, you could conceivably stay anywhere in the city. =A0As folks book a hotel, = I might recommend you post to the list as this may help others choose where t= o stay (I myself have not booked anything but my flight yet).

Regards
Jason


On 3/17/10 4:29 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comca= st.com> wrote:

This is confirming that the meeting will o= ccur in Paris, France, thanks to Cisco=92s generous offer to host the meeting. =A0Much more logistical information will follow soon (we will try to leverage AMS for this).

We will also update our draft agenda by the end of the week on our wiki at = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE

In the meantime:

20 April and 21 April =97 in Paris

Here is the location of the Cisco office: http://tinyurl.com/yf= 8w973

By metro: Closest stop is RER-C Issy Val de Seine.

Regards
Jason





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Regards,
Jason
=A0
Jason Livingood
Executive Director
Internet Systems Engineering
National Engineering & Technical Operations
Comcast Cable Communications
215-286-7813
jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com =


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--0016362842e49c62590483cf384b-- From mark@townsley.net Fri Apr 9 20:10:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0093A684F for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 20:10:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_50=0.001, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ia9qvzbIfhXj for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 20:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com (mail-yx0-f179.google.com [209.85.210.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B133A6841 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 20:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe9 with SMTP id 9so2022487yxe.29 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:10:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.119.1 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 20:10:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 20:10:38 -0700 Received: by 10.91.59.6 with SMTP id m6mr362152agk.4.1270869038575; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Mark Townsley To: Heather Kirksey Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d2f6599b2c10483d94179 Cc: Ray Bellis , homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 03:10:48 -0000 --0016364d2f6599b2c10483d94179 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fully agree that getting a clear read on the running code is a good thing t= o have - I was calling for a survey in advance rather than a series of vendor presentations. This takes time and effort though. If someone wants to volunteer to do this, I would be very grateful. It might just be simply too late for this... So, instead, we have to develop the consolidate picture on the fly at the meeting, which just seems a bit less efficient than it could be. C'est la vie. - Mark On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Heather Kirksey wrote= : > Mark, > > > > I take your point about not wanting to hear a stream of vendor > presentations at the meeting. On the other hand, in list discussion and = at > the BoF, I=92ve definitely heard all sorts of statement or anecdotes pres= ented > as facts about what this market is, what the CPE vendors care about, and = how > they design their products, but I feel as though we=92ve heard little fro= m the > vendors themselves. To be blunt, I feel that most of the support for > Homegate is not coming from the CPE vendors themselves but rather other > constituencies. To me that says something (whether good or bad I don=92t > know), and I=92d really like to hear some vendor voices. > > > > I also think it=92s very important to realize that there are very distinc= t > subsets of this industry as well: vendors that sell mainly to/through > service provider channels (whether cable or telco) and vendors that sell > mainly through retail. Within the telco channel at least (which is my ar= ea > of expertise compared to retail or cable), there is a pretty big differen= ce > in the drivers for a company that=92s doing =93higher end=94 products wit= h more > cutting edge features in close collaboration with their customers and tho= se > for a company that=92s providing a more cost conscious =93standard=94 pro= duct. I > think would be somewhat na=EFve on our part to treat the Homegate vendors= as > an undifferentiated mass, and understanding the perspectives of different > subsets of it could be enlightening. > > > > That being said, obviously a bunch of company pitches would hardly be a > good use of our time. Too much presentation, not enough discussion would > also probably not be a good use of our time. There=92s a balance to be s= truck > here, but I really do believe that we need to hear a great deal more from > the folks who would theoretically be the target audience of the work comi= ng > out of this group. > > > > Just my $.02. I think the architectural question you raise is quite > interesting, by the way. > > > > Thanks, > > Heather > > > > *From:* homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] *On > Behalf Of *Mark Townsley > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:47 AM > *To:* Jason Livingood > *Cc:* Ray Bellis; homegate@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR > VENDORPRESENTATIONS > > > > > Getting a readout on the state of CPE deployment is a good thing to have. > We do need to know where we are in order to know where we want to go. But= , I > think we would be far better served with a short survey from vendor > participants that are attending as well as those that are not, and someon= e > to present and summarize the results. > > Then I'd rather see a call for problem areas to discuss, preferably with = an > internet draft or other document to review in advance from the folks > advocating for time. If we have problems that people are working on that > match with our CPE data, great. If not, perhaps we need to try and drum u= p > support in a specific area. > > I'd also like to know what other SDOs/Forums are working on, and what the= y > would like to see from the IETF here. In this case, I'd hope to see someo= ne > present that can speak in a reasonably authoritative manner on what that = SDO > is doing, so we know where and where not to step. > > Finally, I'd like to understand better architecturally why a homegate is = or > is not a classic host or a router, and whether we (the IETF) need to > consider it as a different device altogether or not. > > This is the kind of information, I think, that will help us formulate wha= t > the IETF should or should not do in this space. Frankly, I don't want to = see > a list of vendor or SP presentations, I don't think we have time for that= , > and it would likely give us a very sparse view of the problem space as we= ll. > > > - Mark > > Also - I know this isn't fully an IETF meeting, but in the spirit of an > IETF meeting let's focus on the problems we are trying to solve, not our > company affiliations. We're predominantly individuals here, and while we = may > be biased by our paychecks and our expertise is certainly shaped by the w= ork > that we do, we are certainly not able to speak in a binding manner on beh= alf > of our companies here unless one of us happens to be the CEO or majority > shareholder. > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Jason Livingood < > jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote: > > On our agenda we have several slots for vendors to present. When we > drafted the agenda, we envisioned vendors possibly discussing the state o= f > their deployed gear (with respect to DNSSEC, IPv6, security threats, etc.= ), > how/if units are field-upgradable, the status of support in current/futur= e > gear, any confusion over specs that homegate could help with, and other > thoughts about either potential value add for homegate or conflicts/probl= ems > with homegate. > > We are happy to adjust timeslots to provide more or less time for device > companies to present, and even to add more slots. > > If you work at such a company, we=92d like you to consider presenting. > Please email the organizers on the cc list to advise of your interest. > > We have a tentative list of companies that may fit in this role: > 1 =96 Cisco/Linksys > 2 =96 2wire > 3 =96 Thompson > 4 =96 Apple > 5 =96 NetGear > 6 =96 D-Link > 7 =96 SMC > 8 - Belkin > 9 - AVM > 10 - TI > 11 - Broadcom > 12 - Wind River > 13 - Gatespace > 14 - Certicom > 15 - Freescale > 16 - Mocana > 17 - TeamF1 > > > Thanks!! > Jason > > > On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" > wrote: > > Our most recent agenda is at > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE > > Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda for > the workshop. I am working with all of the people on the cc list, so if = you > have any suggested changes please be sure they and the list are copied on > replies. > > Thanks > > Jason > > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > > > --0016364d2f6599b2c10483d94179 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fully agree that getting a clear read on the running co= de is a good thing to have - I was calling for a survey in advance rather t= han a series of vendor presentations. This takes time and effort though. If= someone wants to volunteer to do this, I would be very grateful. It might = just be simply too late for this... So, instead, we have to develop the con= solidate picture on the fly at the meeting, which just seems a bit less eff= icient than it could be. C'est la vie.

- Mark


On Wed, = Apr 7, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Heather Kirksey <hkirksey@motive.com> wrote:

Mark,=

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I tak= e your point about not wanting to hear a stream of vendor presentations at the meeting.=A0 On the other hand, in list discussion and at the BoF, I= =92ve definitely heard all sorts of statement or anecdotes presented as facts abo= ut what this market is, what the CPE vendors care about, and how they design t= heir products, but I feel as though we=92ve heard little from the vendors themselves.=A0 To be blunt, I feel that most of the support for Homegate is= not coming from the CPE vendors themselves but rather other constituencies.=A0 To me t= hat says something (whether good or bad I don=92t know), and I=92d really like to hear some vendor voices.

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I als= o think it=92s very important to realize that there are very distinct subsets of this industry as well: =A0vendors that sell mainly to/through service provider channels (whether cable or telco) and vendors t= hat sell mainly through retail.=A0 Within the telco channel at least (which is = my area of expertise compared to retail or cable), there is a pretty big difference in the drivers for a company that=92s doing =93higher end=94 products with more cutting edge features in close collaboration with their customers and those for a company that=92s providing a more cost conscious = =93standard=94 product.=A0 I think would be somewhat na=EFve on our part to treat the Home= gate vendors as an undifferentiated mass, and understanding the perspectives of different subsets of it could be enlightening.

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That = being said, obviously a bunch of company pitches would hardly be a good use of our time. =A0Too much presentation, not enough disc= ussion would also probably not be a good use of our time.=A0 There=92s a balance t= o be struck here, but I really do believe that we need to hear a great deal m= ore from the folks who would theoretically be the target audience of the work coming out of this group.=A0

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Just = my $.02.=A0 I think the architectural question you raise is quite interesting, by the way.

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Thank= s,

Heath= er

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From:= homegate-bou= nces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Townsley
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:47 AM
To: Jason Livingood
Cc: Ray Bellis; homegate@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS

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Getting a readout on the state of CPE deployment is a good thing to have. W= e do need to know where we are in order to know where we want to go. But, I thin= k we would be far better served with a short survey from vendor participants tha= t are attending as well as those that are not, and someone to present and summarize the results.

Then I'd rather see a call for problem areas to discuss, preferably wit= h an internet draft or other document to review in advance from the folks advoca= ting for time. If we have problems that people are working on that match with ou= r CPE data, great. If not, perhaps we need to try and drum up support in a specific area.

I'd also like to know what other SDOs/Forums are working on, and what t= hey would like to see from the IETF here. In this case, I'd hope to see som= eone present that can speak in a reasonably authoritative manner on what that SD= O is doing, so we know where and where not to step.

Finally, I'd like to understand better architecturally why a homegate i= s or is not a classic host or a router, and whether we (the IETF) need to consider = it as a different device altogether or not.

This is the kind of information, I think, that will help us formulate what = the IETF should or should not do in this space. Frankly, I don't want to se= e a list of vendor or SP presentations, I don't think we have time for that, and= it would likely give us a very sparse view of the problem space as well.


- Mark

Also - I know this isn't fully an IETF meeting, but in the spirit of an= IETF meeting let's focus on the problems we are trying to solve, not our com= pany affiliations. We're predominantly individuals here, and while we may be= biased by our paychecks and our expertise is certainly shaped by the work that we = do, we are certainly not able to speak in a binding manner on behalf of our companies here unless one of us happens to be the CEO or majority sharehold= er.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Jason Livingood <= jaso= n_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

On our agenda we have several slots for vendors to present. =A0When we drafted the agenda, we envisioned vendors possibly discussing the state of their deployed gear (with respect to DNSSEC, IPv6, security threats, etc.), how/i= f units are field-upgradable, the status of support in current/future gear, a= ny confusion over specs that homegate could help with, and other thoughts abou= t either potential value add for homegate or conflicts/problems with homegate= .

We are happy to adjust timeslots to provide more or less time for device companies to present, and even to add more slots.

If you work at such a company, we=92d like you to consider presenting. =A0Please email the organizers on the cc list to advise of your interest.
We have a tentative list of companies that may fit in this role:
1 =96 Cisco/Linksys
2 =96 2wire
3 =96 Thompson
4 =96 Apple
5 =96 NetGear
6 =96 D-Link
7 =96 SMC
8 - Belkin
9 - AVM
10 - TI
11 - Broadcom
12 - Wind River
13 - Gatespace
14 - Certicom
15 - Freescale
16 - Mocana
17 - TeamF1


Thanks!!
Jason


On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comca= st.com> wrote:

Our most recent agenda is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac= /wiki/HOMEGATE

Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda for t= he workshop. =A0I am working with all of the people on the cc list, so if you have any suggested changes please be sure they and the list are copied on replies.

Thanks

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Jason


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homegate@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate

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--0016364d2f6599b2c10483d94179-- From ichiroumakino@gmail.com Sat Apr 10 01:45:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9140E3A69F1 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 01:45:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4uz8bpwp-f7W for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 01:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B3E63A69C6 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 01:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so571631ewy.13 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 01:45:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=320HI7qL0ad/egR4N/2EvtAE4tNAyfi9N38/M6z9FVc=; b=mHJmD5yXmS/2HXf5E2+dzP1Y3dYjgxOSUBrGZOU5l6fbG2D1s2ibTjfl1/fgW3PJu9 JOKcJz8V/VW6pPU+cxQr4kOYN/hqS1KUg57zbbBfdVaA3AKsTT4uFMjjf9dYExCMmPaQ CSXCSSe/CpKPiQ7sygX39Hrvis8vM+B/YZhr8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=u3TBzm2syHFjFsSnLKwCkdZmKfHAHJWpv1qFytRbPAnWHMO+IKI+kzYnEOxJVi3xUk lqKnYi2Zt4Z8ra0s9apCNIXyvb+BHYeWB/mg6v3qLMsntqFsDQfsGeFzNRoFKiGv2wpC 2QiVOolvjxkjwmtyhi0m4VagFZXJx+HqYolng= Received: by 10.213.82.11 with SMTP id z11mr614847ebk.5.1270889133495; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 01:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.108] (235.85-200-4.bkkb.no [85.200.4.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm1279635ewy.1.2010.04.10.01.45.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 10 Apr 2010 01:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Ole Troan Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Ole Troan In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:44:54 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8F54A500-504C-4A06-A190-B6212BC7299A@employees.org> References: To: Jason Livingood X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: homegate@ietf.org, Ray Bellis Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 08:45:42 -0000 The "Basic IPv6 CE router requirements" are standardised in v6ops. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-04 during this effort we punted all the hard issues to a phase 2 document = "The Advanced IPv6 CE router requirements" document. during the v6ops meeting in Anaheim, there was a brief discussion on = where to home this work. I believe v6ops is happy to continue this work, = but with the charter of homegate and the fact that a number of the = punted issues are "IP agnostic" I would like to request an agenda slot = for this work. (http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/slides/v6ops-2.pdf) I expect we'll also discuss scope/charter of homegate separately, but = consider my view that this should be within. punt list (draft): =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1.QoS 2.Service Discovery 3.DNS 4.Multicast 5.Arbitrary complex topologies 1.Prefix sub-delegation 2.Routing in the LAN 3.=85 6.IPv6 transition mechanisms 7.(IPv6 only (NAT64)) 8.Firewall pinholing / PCP 9.Multi-homing (also to non-congruent topologies) 1.NAT66 2.SAS/DAS policy 10.Advanced security 11.Zeroconf cheers, Ole From ichiroumakino@gmail.com Sat Apr 10 02:16:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B683A6A1F for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:16:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xtEeO87YC7+9 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B169F3A69DA for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so575381ewy.13 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:16:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=YEGPhJYsAFmGi1PxURKMiBMuuvRJP3DZ0iqMfesnQKA=; b=Z+bpaLSB24FYedNSfgtoqsrhY64ZbK2NJQg+7isG2haq8o0uInncOkNkNTWo6wASNw IWKx1aS9reeS1TLP/vWKZbC2i4OOOm7Gm+DC8I9MmFl2zoaCQoY8FUUXMWvXZ65T6vWb txOEXzO91tUwNM/aEteaVjkMTAz3mmO2jl7i0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=fDQw1RmhNfglIwMc2tG5oxBV6778TtukLEfCwVUrByhB8jlQHuJfdeZw8r/p1FzwGU IUIvMvhmtKKz4sokePvsiG2nSNBMCGafTHbe05AdBICeiZwTvJL2owkBXLCPCncvNcPK 0KI4OBI0L2zqkdGA79MeXX38d/h6mabSVPRPo= Received: by 10.213.73.65 with SMTP id p1mr603200ebj.65.1270890985726; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.108] (235.85-200-4.bkkb.no [85.200.4.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm1308187ewy.7.2010.04.10.02.16.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Ole Troan Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ole Troan In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 11:15:41 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Mark Townsley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: Ray Bellis , homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:16:38 -0000 > Fully agree that getting a clear read on the running code is a good = thing to have - I was calling for a survey in advance rather than a = series of vendor presentations. This takes time and effort though. If = someone wants to volunteer to do this, I would be very grateful. It = might just be simply too late for this... So, instead, we have to = develop the consolidate picture on the fly at the meeting, which just = seems a bit less efficient than it could be. C'est la vie. I would be happy to do the work and summarize, but as far as I've seen = on the list. has a single vendor yet put their hands up to speak at the = workshop yet? cheers, Ole= From mbaugher@cisco.com Sat Apr 10 10:45:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3640D3A692C for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:45:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k29pzCebE7kC for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250F528C0DC for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-6.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAPtVwEurR7H+/2dsb2JhbACbRnGgeph8hQwEgyU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,182,1270425600"; d="scan'208";a="512656825" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Apr 2010 17:45:20 +0000 Received: from sjc-mbaugher-8713.cisco.com (sjc-mbaugher-8713.cisco.com [10.19.93.36]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3AHjJY1013273; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:45:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Mark Baugher In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:45:19 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <79F73816-0880-4B4C-B6FA-4089161CC8D3@cisco.com> References: To: Ole Troan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:45:38 -0000 On Apr 10, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Ole Troan wrote: >> Fully agree that getting a clear read on the running code is a good = thing to have - I was calling for a survey in advance rather than a = series of vendor presentations. This takes time and effort though. If = someone wants to volunteer to do this, I would be very grateful. It = might just be simply too late for this... So, instead, we have to = develop the consolidate picture on the fly at the meeting, which just = seems a bit less efficient than it could be. C'est la vie. >=20 > I would be happy to do the work and summarize, but as far as I've seen = on the list. has a single vendor yet put their hands up to speak at the = workshop yet? Some of the speakers are from companies that build and/or market home = networking gear. Is that what you're asking Ole? =20 Mark >=20 > cheers, > Ole > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate From ichiroumakino@gmail.com Sat Apr 10 10:52:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3373A6938 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:52:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GjLxvV1EaOu0 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25023A6869 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so644031ewy.13 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:52:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=fxCaMpphVpvaI2AqT3xVGGITjBAbHtNsw5Uo9Jpeegg=; b=f3t6wI9V50S1UHApaMD9eS0ab482xydmB8onZYz/pfUhDIuoF+jga75STPo2WyM9gn gTRaQD54ajpWXRBGxvygGV8W4smX+yZ8sUzE0PZG0BnDo161saoktghfR1+ytS+2zZmG pB09eYlSj/+y+ZXPPrBlPaSp0S7cLlucINNWI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=Fu2+12ZE54rGILFe4eHp+07+xLjolo9hY4BDvrpg4r+Hz9SDQqQva+gdB80NWClfXu BA+kacwq2mb3Rr+t7BS9+QdhAGdWy4j5w+P4uJxgqOe2sTF1BkaenohT0YIrqmlguibl FSPrMecjdJh2MAUA2vKYVKHUp8A6gXqueugLg= Received: by 10.213.54.74 with SMTP id p10mr816235ebg.44.1270921940943; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams3-vpn-dhcp608.cisco.com (64-103-25-233.cisco.com [64.103.25.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm1585835ewy.12.2010.04.10.10.52.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Ole Troan Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ole Troan In-Reply-To: <79F73816-0880-4B4C-B6FA-4089161CC8D3@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:52:09 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <188B5F32-C171-4ED5-92E0-EA1D184C069D@employees.org> References: <79F73816-0880-4B4C-B6FA-4089161CC8D3@cisco.com> To: Mark Baugher X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:52:31 -0000 Mark, >>> Fully agree that getting a clear read on the running code is a good = thing to have - I was calling for a survey in advance rather than a = series of vendor presentations. This takes time and effort though. If = someone wants to volunteer to do this, I would be very grateful. It = might just be simply too late for this... So, instead, we have to = develop the consolidate picture on the fly at the meeting, which just = seems a bit less efficient than it could be. C'est la vie. >>=20 >> I would be happy to do the work and summarize, but as far as I've = seen on the list. has a single vendor yet put their hands up to speak at = the workshop yet? >=20 > Some of the speakers are from companies that build and/or market home = networking gear. Is that what you're asking Ole? =20 sort of. I see that the agenda is still referencing "device vendor = <1..4>". are those slots filled? have we heard from any of the 17+ CPE vendors listed on the wiki page? cheers, Ole= From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Sun Apr 11 06:00:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573763A67FA for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 06:00:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.604 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.604 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I+XUDX+wK8gt for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 06:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com (paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com [208.17.35.58]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603CF3A67F8 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 06:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.15.92]) by paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-NTF18.89604895; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 09:00:12 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 11 Apr 2010 09:00:11 -0400 Received: from 68.54.46.96 ([68.54.46.96]) by PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.154]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:00:11 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 09:00:17 -0400 From: Jason Livingood To: Ole Troan , Mark Baugher Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS Thread-Index: AcrZdu7YsObI8n8mZEassl71PXlf3Q== In-Reply-To: <188B5F32-C171-4ED5-92E0-EA1D184C069D@employees.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2010 13:00:11.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB5EFE40:01CAD976] Cc: Ray Bellis , homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda - CALL FOR VENDORPRESENTATIONS X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:00:44 -0000 > sort of. I see that the agenda is still referencing "device vendor <1..4>". > are those slots filled? > have we heard from any of the 17+ CPE vendors listed on the wiki page? Not yet, I don't think. We have lots of messages out to vendors on that page, some appear to have registered but not sure we have firm commitments for those slots as of yet. That said, I've been on vacation so I may have missed an email. Jason From ichiroumakino@gmail.com Wed Apr 14 02:56:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18CE73A6891 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:56:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.369 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.230, BAYES_20=-0.74, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H4hs8Uf9PjkS for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073923A680E for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so2101862ewy.13 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:55:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=UisV6qk66u5MbggrSHVFnM4HN+X/khdwZUC/8UwT7xc=; b=W/WmJ0CHbwgD0bOQPx1P9lz016ZncqfW6bSz8wgHmaey/Sd7GcDlKJs6piidOZFAIx 8h0A7nUwp7IvM97rBIA7ZV+H+e/XzSR3Ab1SFlKdUwtXLA8g4YQh/XDF2lQQZBWi/vXj gjVymltxy4Yarj6UtkvYdDhOuwNy8z1BDa+UQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=HoIYOolpKwZ0TauawFQnhCd6ViQvz7GNLN8DccJMhOfH3KtUlPm1SzVh8ZpO+fSNY9 OVxhgBb/B0H/Gdqgq/S1EFZ87nKTSrgwGdYTgq0C083pSVsYON9WQM1eD7L2pyHnq4XU 3TVYPSn4eVvKOwDz8j2Pl9dYYyiepxDpTQRRE= Received: by 10.213.0.211 with SMTP id 19mr3539664ebc.6.1271238953102; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-otroan-8715.cisco.com (64-103-25-233.cisco.com [64.103.25.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm110744ewy.14.2010.04.14.02.55.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Ole Troan Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Ole Troan In-Reply-To: <8F54A500-504C-4A06-A190-B6212BC7299A@employees.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:55:46 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8F54A500-504C-4A06-A190-B6212BC7299A@employees.org> To: Jason Livingood , homegate@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: Ray Bellis Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:56:04 -0000 Jason et al, I haven't seen a reply to this or any changes in the agenda. even though the interim meeting is a workshop with other SDOs. I'd like = us to spend at least a half day or so on technical issues. I think the = punt list from the IPv6 CE router requirements effort is as good a = starting point as any. I'd like us to spend some time understanding the problems. do an initial = stab at where the problem should be solved and who does it. could we do this e.g first half of day 2? cheers, Ole=20 On Apr 10, 2010, at 10:44 , Ole Troan wrote: > The "Basic IPv6 CE router requirements" are standardised in v6ops. > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-04 >=20 > during this effort we punted all the hard issues to a phase 2 document = "The Advanced IPv6 CE router requirements" document. >=20 > during the v6ops meeting in Anaheim, there was a brief discussion on = where to home this work. I believe v6ops is happy to continue this work, = but with the charter of homegate and the fact that a number of the = punted issues are "IP agnostic" I would like to request an agenda slot = for this work. > (http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/slides/v6ops-2.pdf) >=20 > I expect we'll also discuss scope/charter of homegate separately, but = consider my view that this should be within. >=20 > punt list (draft): > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > 1.QoS > 2.Service Discovery > 3.DNS > 4.Multicast > 5.Arbitrary complex topologies > 1.Prefix sub-delegation > 2.Routing in the LAN > 3.=85 > 6.IPv6 transition mechanisms > 7.(IPv6 only (NAT64)) > 8.Firewall pinholing / PCP > 9.Multi-homing (also to non-congruent topologies) > 1.NAT66 > 2.SAS/DAS policy > 10.Advanced security > 11.Zeroconf >=20 >=20 > cheers, > Ole >=20 From jari.arkko@piuha.net Wed Apr 14 03:30:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436923A67A6 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 03:30:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.112 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.112 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.705, BAYES_50=0.001, FR_3TAG_3TAG=1.758, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KfC8b-sNyc9j for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 03:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853393A6891 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 03:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4A62CEA2; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:30:02 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0+0NqfUMlVBw; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:30:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CA72CC50; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:30:01 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4BC59928.8080104@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:30:00 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100411) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ole Troan References: <8F54A500-504C-4A06-A190-B6212BC7299A@employees.org> In-Reply-To: <8F54A500-504C-4A06-A190-B6212BC7299A@employees.org> Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: homegate@ietf.org, Ray Bellis Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:30:12 -0000 This is a great list, thanks. We need more lists like this. Some comments inline below.

I like to think about the homegate discussions in terms of understanding what specifications we already have in the different standards bodies (IPv6 node requirements and the like), identifying potential gaps, and figuring out where should the work take place to fill out the gaps. Note that gaps may include both actual lack of specification for some piece of functionality or lack of a top-level document that would point to all the small pieces of specification that already exist.  

The "Basic IPv6 CE router requirements" are standardised in v6ops.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-04

during this effort we punted all the hard issues to a phase 2 document "The Advanced IPv6 CE router requirements" document.

during the v6ops meeting in Anaheim, there was a brief discussion on where to home this work. I believe v6ops is happy to continue this work, but with the charter of homegate and the fact that a number of the punted issues are "IP agnostic" I would like to request an agenda slot for this work.
(http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/slides/v6ops-2.pdf)

I expect we'll also discuss scope/charter of homegate separately, but consider my view that this should be within.

punt list (draft):
============
1.QoS

Perhaps, but it is also critical that we decide what issues really need to be specified. In particular, we do not need to burden simple gateways with mandatory functionality that is not needed in vast majority of cases.

2.Service Discovery
3.DNS

We already have http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5625 but more maybe needed. What?

4.Multicast
5.Arbitrary complex topologies
    1.Prefix sub-delegation
    2.Routing in the LAN
    3.…

.... and arbitrarily complicated specification.  I'm not sure we should address this except for few well known cases. Such as PD.

6.IPv6 transition mechanisms

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-ipv6-deployment-guidelines is one intended answer for the global recommendations. I have not thought about what that means for home gateways, but that's certainly an interesting topic. What should a homegateway support? Surely dual stack, but is that it?

7.(IPv6 only (NAT64))

See above.

8.Firewall pinholing / PCP
9.Multi-homing (also to non-congruent topologies)

This has been the topic of multi-year research projects and multiple competing working group designs.

   1.NAT66

I hope we don't go here.

   2.SAS/DAS policy

Indeed. But the specifications from 6MAN to provide policy distribution are not ready yet.

10.Advanced security

What's this?

11.Zeroconf

What were you thinking of saying here?

Jari

cheers,
Ole

From jari.arkko@piuha.net Wed Apr 14 04:27:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D50428C1E4 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:27:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.212 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.212 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.930, BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lzcXLRecib+F for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051F43A692F for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90AEA2CEA2; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:23:22 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P+EwENDqsdzv; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:23:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321B62CC50; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:23:21 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4BC5A5A8.40509@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:23:20 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100411) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Wing References: <0ba501cad66e$f4f0d150$7893150a@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <0ba501cad66e$f4f0d150$7893150a@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:27:18 -0000 Dan,

I can't tell what all might be discussed in the presentations, but I am hoping
there will be discussion that many home gateways will soon be in "new"
environments including:

  * being behind a carrier's NAT44, resulting in a system (of the 
    home's NAT44 and the carrier's NAT44) that is commonly called
    "NAT444".

    Would be interesting/useful to know if/how the home gateways
    will deal with that.  draft-wing-softwire-port-control-protocol 
    is one way to deal with one aspect of a NAT444 system.  There
    are other aspects of a NAT444 system, including overlapped
    IP address space, optimized routing of traffic behind the
    carrier's NAT, and more.

Yes, this is an interesting topic.

  * IPv6, via dual-stack or 6rd.

Yes. I would argue dual stack is something that we should recommend. There are plenty of optional mechanisms that some gateways may choose to implement on top of that, though.

  * IPv4 multicast for IPTV.

Hmm. How widely is multicast used for IPTV, and are these deployments similar or do they use widely different ways of delivery over IP (such as multicast vs. unicast)?

Also, I understand that a gateway box is often also an IPTV stream termination point (convert IP to HDMI, for instance). However, isn't it then working in a role of a host? Is there something generic that we can say about *gateways* and multicast IPTV?

separately, will anything be said about NAT44 ALGs during the two days?  SIP
ALG, RTSP ALG, H.323 ALG, PPTP "ALG", IPsec/IKE "ALG", etc.

Maybe you should tell us whether that's something that should be discussed, and whether standardization in that space is helpful or harmful. What was the outcome of the ALG Bar BoF in IETF-77?

Jari
  IETF has
historically ignored NATs (and firewalls) and effectively ignored ALGs in
those same devices.  In our experience with home gateways, ALGs are a panacea
which have interfered with application evolution.

-d

  
-----Original Message-----
From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org 
[mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jason Livingood
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:05 AM
To: homegate@ietf.org
Cc: Ray Bellis
Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing

In my haste, I've left off the correct folks on the cc list 
for agenda feedback (duh).  

The workshop organizers above are: Lars Eggest, Jari Arkko, 
Dave Oran, Mark Townsley, Ray Bellis, and Jason Livingood


J

On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" 
<jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:



	Our most recent agenda is at 
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE
	
	Our main objective in the next several days is to 
finalize the agenda for the workshop.  I am working with all 
of the people on the cc list, so if you have any suggested 
changes please be sure they and the list are copied on replies.
	
	Thanks
	Jason
	


    

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From oran@cisco.com Wed Apr 14 06:09:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C8B3A6881 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:09:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -107.084 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-107.084 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, SARE_MILLIONSOF=0.315, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JO0gTHdmmPZ8 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EA73A6977 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: ams-iport-1.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-Files: PGP.sig : 194 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,204,1270425600"; d="sig'?scan'208";a="59396122" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Apr 2010 13:09:13 +0000 Received: from OranMBP.local (stealth-10-32-245-152.cisco.com [10.32.245.152]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3ED8xN2017601; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:09:12 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by OranMBP.local (PGP Universal service); Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:09:13 -0400 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by OranMBP.local on Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:09:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: David R Oran In-Reply-To: <4BC5A5A8.40509@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:08:57 -0400 Message-Id: <25CAE189-ED9C-4A57-B687-967E6CE37EB1@cisco.com> References: <0ba501cad66e$f4f0d150$7893150a@cisco.com> <4BC5A5A8.40509@piuha.net> To: Jari Arkko X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: MIME X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="PGP_Universal_EB0CD399_A71CDD19_850DC269_EB1E3B4B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1" Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:09:22 -0000 --PGP_Universal_EB0CD399_A71CDD19_850DC269_EB1E3B4B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Apr 14, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > Dan, >=20 [snip] >> * IPv4 multicast for IPTV. >> =20 >>=20 >=20 > Hmm. How widely is multicast used for IPTV, very. Tons of SSM. Millions of users in multiple countries. > and are these deployments similar The ones that use Microsoft Mediaroom tend to be pretty similar :-) So are the ones that use Cisco ISDP. There are a bunch of home-grown = systems (Free in France, FastWeb in Italy) as well. In terms of their = use of multicast and L3 in general they are essentially identical; the = differences tend to be in QoS provisioning and higher layer stuff (e.g. = mediaroom uses some proprietary microsoft RTP extensions). > or do they use widely different ways of delivery over IP (such as = multicast vs. unicast)? Over-the-top systems (e.g. ESPN360) use HTTP/TCP delivery and hence look = much like a web application for the point of view of IP, NAT, etc. In = fact one big reason they are done this way is the port 80 spanning layer = they have to use to reach through the wide variety of user connections. >=20 > Also, I understand that a gateway box is often also an IPTV stream = termination point (convert IP to HDMI, for instance). I've seen these beasts, but they are uncommon, and tend to be things = like Pace media server boxes or DOCSIS STBs that work as whole-home = DVRs. In other words there are some all-in-one boxes out there but they are = less common and often are specifically made to look like hosts straight = on the SP's access network as opposed to a host+gateway crammed in a = single box. > However, isn't it then working in a role of a host? Is there something = generic that we can say about *gateways* and multicast IPTV? Yes. Things like IGMP proxies, support of IGMPv3, plus a bunch of other = stuff I can't recall at the moment. DaveO. --PGP_Universal_EB0CD399_A71CDD19_850DC269_EB1E3B4B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=PGP.sig -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 10.0.2 (Build 13) iQA/AwUBS8W+cY1mhLZU3SrmEQLCYACbBfj1QJ7gQ6+I/Z5N82zwyjg7A+IAoJvr NsaE0HE3Zt4I+ny911LFUwvb =7iET -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PGP_Universal_EB0CD399_A71CDD19_850DC269_EB1E3B4B-- From jari.arkko@piuha.net Wed Apr 14 06:30:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD083A6881 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:30:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.07 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.07 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.071, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r3oOp0c2TG3q for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA79A3A69E2 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194962CEA2; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:27:39 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f2fgpROPvdei; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:27:38 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A312CC50; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:27:38 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4BC5C2C9.1060204@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:27:37 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100411) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David R Oran References: <0ba501cad66e$f4f0d150$7893150a@cisco.com> <4BC5A5A8.40509@piuha.net> <25CAE189-ED9C-4A57-B687-967E6CE37EB1@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <25CAE189-ED9C-4A57-B687-967E6CE37EB1@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:30:51 -0000 David,

However, isn't it then working in a role of a host? Is there something generic that we can say about *gateways* and multicast IPTV?
    
Yes. Things like IGMP proxies, support of IGMPv3, plus a bunch of other stuff I can't recall at the moment.

Ok. Thanks for the explanation. I am convinced.

Jari
DaveO.

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We need more lists like this. Some = comments inline below. >=20 > I like to think about the homegate discussions in terms of = understanding what specifications we already have in the different = standards bodies (IPv6 node requirements and the like), identifying = potential gaps, and figuring out where should the work take place to = fill out the gaps. Note that gaps may include both actual lack of = specification for some piece of functionality or lack of a top-level = document that would point to all the small pieces of specification that = already exist. =20 agree. [...] >> punt list (draft): >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> 1.QoS >> =20 >>=20 >=20 > Perhaps, but it is also critical that we decide what issues really = need to be specified. In particular, we do not need to burden simple = gateways with mandatory functionality that is not needed in vast = majority of cases. BBF has a fairly extensive definition of how an RG should do = classification, shaping etc. available in WT-124. probably motivated by = applications like VOIP. I wouldn't expect/hope that any new protocols would have to be specified = for QoS. so if homegate would do anything on this bullet, it would be = more along the lines of specifying that an RG must be able to do = Diffserv marking etc. btw: this list is not prioritized. the WT-124 as well as this list comes from the viewpoint of the = RG/CPE/home-gateway. should this group also consider issues of = networking within the home?=20 >> 2.Service Discovery >> 3.DNS >> =20 >>=20 >=20 > We already have http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5625 but more maybe = needed. What? should we even recommend that the RG acts as a DNS proxy? what about being an authoritative name-server for the reverse zone for = the delegated prefix for example? this is a prime example of an issue which should be discussed next week. = is it a problem? do we need to specify how DNS in the home should work = without management? unlikely to be new protocol work required here too. >> 4.Multicast >> 5.Arbitrary complex topologies >> 1.Prefix sub-delegation >> 2.Routing in the LAN >> 3.=85 >> =20 >>=20 >=20 > .... and arbitrarily complicated specification. I'm not sure we = should address this except for few well known cases. Such as PD. so we already have the issue of multi-level NAT today. where customers = have chained two NATs. typically one from the SP and one from retail. = today there is no way to make this work with IPv6 without manual = configuration. with IPv4 it just works (for some definition of works). from there you can move on to slightly more complex topologies. we're = back to the set of problems with drove the work on multi-link subnets = and zero configuration routers a few years back. >> 6.IPv6 transition mechanisms >> =20 >>=20 >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-ipv6-deployment-guidelines is = one intended answer for the global recommendations. I have not thought = about what that means for home gateways, but that's certainly an = interesting topic. What should a homegateway support? Surely dual stack, = but is that it? right, so this is more in the land of product profiles. the BBF has = already specified quite a bit here. >> 7.(IPv6 only (NAT64)) >> =20 >>=20 >=20 > See above. >=20 >> 8.Firewall pinholing / PCP >> 9.Multi-homing (also to non-congruent topologies) >> =20 >>=20 >=20 > This has been the topic of multi-year research projects and multiple = competing working group designs. yep, there are a few deployed networks with these problems today. I = certainly also have it at home, with the use of my companies VPN = connection. >> 1.NAT66 >> =20 >>=20 >=20 > I hope we don't go here. hard to see that we don't have to unless the below gets more traction... >=20 >> 2.SAS/DAS policy >> =20 >>=20 >=20 > Indeed. But the specifications from 6MAN to provide policy = distribution are not ready yet. right, and is that the correct solution? as this has consequences for the nodes inside the home. and more = wide-arching consequences if we want to solve this for a home network = with multiple levels (multiple routers), is this something we should = take on in homegate? >=20 >> 10.Advanced security >> =20 >>=20 >=20 > What's this? http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vyncke-advanced-ipv6-security-01 >=20 >> 11.Zeroconf >> =20 >>=20 >=20 > What were you thinking of saying here? I think it was covered by the plug and play routing part / service = discovery. I should perhaps another point to the list. 12. Renumbering in some cases home networks may go through 'flash renumbering'. i.e no = overlapping between old and new prefix. cheers, Ole From dwing@cisco.com Wed Apr 14 10:35:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D153A6858 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:35:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.722 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.722 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.612, BAYES_05=-1.11, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3j1lreqpNuGt for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7593A68D4 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-5.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIIAN6ZxUurR7Ht/2dsb2JhbACHWoEUkmdxo1GZbYUNBIMp X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,205,1270425600"; d="scan'208";a="182990159" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Apr 2010 17:35:22 +0000 Received: from dwingwxp01 ([10.32.240.194]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3EHZL5w029419; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:35:22 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: "'Jari Arkko'" References: <0ba501cad66e$f4f0d150$7893150a@cisco.com> <4BC5A5A8.40509@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:35:21 -0700 Message-ID: <0c1101cadbf8$dbe523c0$ada56b80@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4BC5A5A8.40509@piuha.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcrbxO9mJAppsaoXQoCYhOi2EwHvpAAMuQ2w Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:35:31 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:23 AM > To: Dan Wing > Cc: homegate@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing > > Dan, > > > > I can't tell what all might be discussed in the > presentations, but I am hoping > there will be discussion that many home gateways will > soon be in "new" > environments including: > > * being behind a carrier's NAT44, resulting in a > system (of the > home's NAT44 and the carrier's NAT44) that is > commonly called > "NAT444". > > Would be interesting/useful to know if/how the home gateways > will deal with that. > draft-wing-softwire-port-control-protocol > is one way to deal with one aspect of a NAT444 > system. There > are other aspects of a NAT444 system, including overlapped > IP address space, optimized routing of traffic behind the > carrier's NAT, and more. > > > > Yes, this is an interesting topic. > > > > * IPv6, via dual-stack or 6rd. > > > > Yes. I would argue dual stack is something that we should > recommend. There are plenty of optional mechanisms that some > gateways may choose to implement on top of that, though. > > > > * IPv4 multicast for IPTV. > > > > Hmm. How widely is multicast used for IPTV, More and more every day. Microsoft and other vendors have live deployments. > and are these > deployments similar or do they use widely different ways of > delivery over IP (such as multicast vs. unicast)? > > Also, I understand that a gateway box is often also an IPTV > stream termination point (convert IP to HDMI, for instance). Sometimes, yes -- with that model, there might just be unicast inside the home network to other televisions, using a 'master' multicast IPTV receiver which integrates the cablemodem or FTTH connection so it is also the home gateway and thus does everything correctly. Another model is that each IPTV receiver is fully capable of receiving multicast and there is multicast in the home network. In that model, the home gateway might be clueless about IPTV but needs to pass IGMP and multicast traffic from/to the IPTV receivers inside the home network. > However, isn't it then working in a role of a host? Is there > something generic that we can say about *gateways* and multicast IPTV? They need to proxy IGMP and handle multicast, per RFC5135. > separately, will anything be said about NAT44 ALGs > during the two days? SIP > ALG, RTSP ALG, H.323 ALG, PPTP "ALG", IPsec/IKE "ALG", etc. > > > Maybe you should tell us whether that's something that should > be discussed, and whether standardization in that space is > helpful or harmful. What was the outcome of the ALG Bar BoF > in IETF-77? >From my perspective, the ALG Bar BoF outcome was that the proponents still believe IETF could be successful standardizing ALGs, and dissenters still believe IETF would not have success in standardizing ALGs. I am in the latter camp. -d > Jari > > > IETF has > historically ignored NATs (and firewalls) and > effectively ignored ALGs in > those same devices. In our experience with home > gateways, ALGs are a panacea > which have interfered with application evolution. > > -d > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Jason Livingood > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:05 AM > To: homegate@ietf.org > Cc: Ray Bellis > Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing > > In my haste, I've left off the correct folks on > the cc list > for agenda feedback (duh). > > The workshop organizers above are: Lars Eggest, > Jari Arkko, > Dave Oran, Mark Townsley, Ray Bellis, and Jason > Livingood > > > J > > On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" > > wrote: > > > > Our most recent agenda is at > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE > > Our main objective in the next several > days is to > finalize the agenda for the workshop. I am > working with all > of the people on the cc list, so if you have > any suggested > changes please be sure they and the list are > copied on replies. > > Thanks > Jason > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > > > > > From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Thu Apr 15 12:07:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF8C3A6818 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:07:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.858 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.858 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.743, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KvUhnmf3LpL3 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com (paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com [208.17.35.59]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A653A67F8 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.15.118]) by paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-TDCH7.80109176; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:06:35 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PACDCEXCSMTP04.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:06:35 -0400 Received: from 147.191.227.151 ([147.191.227.151]) by PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.152]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:06:35 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:06:36 -0400 From: Jason Livingood To: "homegate@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Travel Advisory re Workshop Thread-Index: AcrczsUAfcFwspmzvECGLEYqbrVNjQ== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3354188796_816773" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2010 19:06:35.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4AC4B80:01CADCCE] Subject: [homegate] Travel Advisory re Workshop X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:07:01 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3354188796_816773 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Due to volcanic ash, flights across Europe are expected to be disrupted for several days. We=B9re keeping an eye on this. Let us know if you foresee an= y disruptions to your travel plans (looks like mine may have to be changed to make Tuesday). http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-0416-france-iceland-vol= c ano-20100416,0,4450514.story Jason --B_3354188796_816773 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Travel Advisory re Workshop Due to volcanic ash, flights across Europe are expected to be disrupted fo= r several days.  We’re keeping an eye on this.  Let us know = if you foresee any disruptions to your travel plans (looks like mine may hav= e to be changed to make Tuesday).

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo= rld/world/la-fg-0416-france-iceland-volcano-20100416,0,4450514.story

Jason --B_3354188796_816773-- From townsley@cisco.com Thu Apr 15 12:17:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4605C3A690B for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:17:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.242 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.242 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.057, BAYES_40=-0.185, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lvV6PTbE+yUw for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B563A68DB for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-6.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmoHAAsDx0urRN+K/2dsb2JhbACbbWsGpRiaJYUOBIo4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,214,1270425600"; d="scan'208";a="515714856" Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Apr 2010 19:17:39 +0000 Received: from iwan-view3.cisco.com (iwan-view3.cisco.com [171.70.65.13]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3FJHd4R025187 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:17:39 GMT Received: from ams-townsley-8712.cisco.com (ams-townsley-8712.cisco.com [10.55.233.227]) by iwan-view3.cisco.com (8.11.2/CISCO.WS.1.2) with ESMTP id o3FJHdY02975 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BC76651.4000200@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 21:17:37 +0200 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "homegate@ietf.org" X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [homegate] Anyone canceling due to the Volcano? X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:17:48 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm getting some isolated reports of people not being able to travel. Please keep me posted, I am firming up restaurant, catering, and other support events tomorrow morning Paris time (so, about 12 hours from now). - - Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLx2ZRAAoJEBAcHDFx3DUIQVwH/R+QSQZgimd9AShfKp+9sD6A QSUhWQBxViSbLnJA/HE6EEqqacc+qkjG7KkAjYOujU6rwCgj86fv9VnbxZPzTGmP bnMJa6iIksCktc8ZC9bH10KQVFQvJoNWGk5UKvDY3qiHLnVQDCpUr7nW1Rttx+TN Io3aS26vWsCIKuNScgwGLD+hiJ0o3zjlh/UfWFls7E+iAnmxsUNtb+4u78/K+d9c DcNh1NGeViu5U6lMi72l3J0RvYVRbv3qa1NKIkkvQ9puXrKsa3cnJSkqXHr6UlYL ua9FRMlyeeH2RvDoXa2CsJDHAN+hjuHEuNk4lmqBtwp77R7P2gD22u8GSE6GPHo= =VbNU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Thu Apr 15 12:18:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE2628C102 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:18:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.593 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.593 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.806, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yn79T95yetT0 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33133A67FF for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([10.52.116.30]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id 5503620.77215110; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:17:55 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PAOAKEXCSMTP01.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:17:54 -0400 Received: from 147.191.227.151 ([147.191.227.151]) by PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.152]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:17:54 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:17:56 -0400 From: Jason Livingood To: "homegate@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [homegate] Travel Advisory re Workshop Thread-Index: AcrczsUAfcFwspmzvECGLEYqbrVNjQAAZVQd In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 1 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3354189476_912149" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2010 19:17:54.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[596351F0:01CADCD0] Subject: Re: [homegate] Travel Advisory re Workshop X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:18:09 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3354189476_912149 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable At the moment, we=B9re trying to determine whether it will still be possible to have most attendees at the meeting. Please check your travel booking IMMEDIATELY to see if this will be a problem for you. If so, please advise ASAP so we can decide if we need to make any changes. Regards Jason On 4/15/10 3:06 PM, "Jason Livingood" wrote: > Due to volcanic ash, flights across Europe are expected to be disrupted f= or > several days. We=B9re keeping an eye on this. Let us know if you foresee = any > disruptions to your travel plans (looks like mine may have to be changed = to > make Tuesday). >=20 > http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-0416-france-iceland-v= olcan > o-20100416,0,4450514.story >=20 Jason --B_3354189476_912149 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [homegate] Travel Advisory re Workshop At the moment, we’re trying to determine whether it will still be po= ssible to have most attendees at the meeting. Please check your travel booki= ng IMMEDIATELY to see if this will be a problem for you.  If so, please= advise ASAP so we can decide if we need to make any changes.

Regards
Jason


On 4/15/10 3:06 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>Due to volcanic ash, flights across Europe are e= xpected to be disrupted for several days.  We’re keeping an eye o= n this.  Let us know if you foresee any disruptions to your travel plan= s (looks like mine may have to be changed to make Tuesday).

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo= rld/world/la-fg-0416-france-iceland-volcano-20100416,0,4450514.story

= Jason --B_3354189476_912149-- From jfink@2wire.com Thu Apr 15 12:24:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6659F28C1F3 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:24:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.398 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JOTI5cpQMTjO for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ims.2wire.com (ims.2wire.com [206.171.6.87]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A2E28C1D1 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjcexch02.corp.2wire.com ([10.0.0.195]) by ims.2wire.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:21:49 -0700 Received: from 10.19.253.78 ([10.19.253.78]) by sjcexch02.corp.2wire.com ([10.0.0.195]) via Exchange Front-End Server mail.my2wire.com ([10.0.0.133]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:21:48 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:21:48 -0700 From: Jaime Fink To: Jason Livingood , "homegate@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [homegate] Travel Advisory re Workshop Thread-Index: AcrczsUAfcFwspmzvECGLEYqbrVNjQAAZVQdAAAikrg= In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3354178908_2966407" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2010 19:21:49.0362 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5688120:01CADCD0] Subject: Re: [homegate] Travel Advisory re Workshop X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:24:06 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3354178908_2966407 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable As of now, US carriers are only cancelling today=B9s flights to Europe, and flights originating from Europe to US tomorrow. They=B9re not predicting on flights to Europe on Sat or Sun at this time but hoping it subsides. Unfortunately you just won=B9t know till the day of your flight or possibly day before. Cheers, Jaime Fink Chief Technology Officer | +1.415.692.1776 2Wire | 1704 Automation Parkway, San Jose, CA 95131 USA 2Wire, Inc. Company Confidential. The information contained in this messag= e may be privileged and/or confidential. If the reader of this message is no= t the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notif= y us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. On 4/15/10 12:17 PM, "Jason Livingood" wrote: > At the moment, we=B9re trying to determine whether it will still be possibl= e to > have most attendees at the meeting. Please check your travel booking > IMMEDIATELY to see if this will be a problem for you. If so, please advi= se > ASAP so we can decide if we need to make any changes. >=20 > Regards > Jason >=20 >=20 > On 4/15/10 3:06 PM, "Jason Livingood" > wrote: >=20 >> Due to volcanic ash, flights across Europe are expected to be disrupted = for >> several days. We=B9re keeping an eye on this. Let us know if you foresee= any >> disruptions to your travel plans (looks like mine may have to be changed= to >> make Tuesday). >>=20 >> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-0416-france-iceland-= volca >> no-20100416,0,4450514.story >>=20 > Jason >=20 > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate --B_3354178908_2966407 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [homegate] Travel Advisory re Workshop As of n= ow, US carriers are only cancelling today’s flights to Europe, and fli= ghts originating from Europe to US tomorrow.  They’re not predict= ing on flights to Europe on Sat or Sun at this time but hoping it subsides. =  Unfortunately you just won’t know till the day of your flight or= possibly day before.

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On 4/15/10 12:17 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

At the moment, we’re trying= to determine whether it will still be possible to have most attendees at th= e meeting. Please check your travel booking IMMEDIATELY to see if this will = be a problem for you.  If so, please advise ASAP so we can decide if we= need to make any changes.

Regards
Jason


On 4/15/10 3:06 PM, "Jason Livingood" <jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

Due to volcanic ash, fligh= ts across Europe are expected to be disrupted for several days.  WeR= 17;re keeping an eye on this.  Let us know if you foresee any disruptio= ns to your travel plans (looks like mine may have to be changed to make Tues= day).

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo= rld/world/la-fg-0416-france-iceland-volcano-20100416,0,4450514.story

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--B_3354178908_2966407-- From jari.arkko@piuha.net Thu Apr 15 23:01:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BA63A6810 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:01:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.644 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.644 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.645, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dsKEgd5rQbWw for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122033A6A86 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061752CEB5; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:01:26 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4iPNx75RyVT1; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:01:25 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7E02CD07; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:01:25 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4BC7FD35.1070201@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:01:25 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100411) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Livingood References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "homegate@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [homegate] Travel Advisory re Workshop X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 06:01:38 -0000 Today's news here in Finland are saying that the cloud is likely to stay in place "several days", based on weather predictions. This is the prediction for Finland, situation in central Europe can be different. Our airspace is closed until Saturday at the moment. Based on this I'd say there is some risk of disturbances still on Sunday and Monday when most of us would travel. (I personally don't mind taking that risk. YMMV. But of course we want to know as soon as possible if someone who is coming to the meeting is actually prevented from coming. The point of the meeting is to meet the others, of course.) Jari From tme@americafree.tv Fri Apr 16 07:33:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12613A68ED for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:33:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.083 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.083 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.516, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mnYw803h3JnJ for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.americafree.tv (rossini.americafree.tv [63.105.122.34]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0C53A6AD5 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (rossini.americafree.tv [63.105.122.34]) by mail.americafree.tv (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4646A64AA0; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Marshall Eubanks To: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: <4BC5C2C9.1060204@piuha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:31:55 -0400 References: <0ba501cad66e$f4f0d150$7893150a@cisco.com> <4BC5A5A8.40509@piuha.net> <25CAE189-ED9C-4A57-B687-967E6CE37EB1@cisco.com> <4BC5C2C9.1060204@piuha.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:33:39 -0000 On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > David, > >>> However, isn't it then working in a role of a host? Is there >>> something generic that we can say about *gateways* and multicast >>> IPTV? >>> >> Yes. Things like IGMP proxies, support of IGMPv3, plus a bunch of >> other stuff I can't recall at the moment. >> > Possible topics IGMPv3 support (needed) MLDv2 support (needed) IGMP / MLD snooping (unclear to me if this will ever be wanted / needed, but if the gateway is linking, say, a wired and wireless home LAN it probably will be.) IGMP / MLD proxies (needed for lots of real-world links) ATM support (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mboned-auto-multicast-10 - having a gateway with a built in AMT gateway would be an excellent idea IMO). If I missed anything, please feel free to chime in. Regards Marshall > Ok. Thanks for the explanation. I am convinced. > > Jari >> DaveO. >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Fri Apr 16 08:06:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1A93A6A3A for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:06:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.106 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.106 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.495, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2GUyo+CgD+PQ for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com (paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com [208.17.35.59]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2CA28C15A for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([10.52.116.30]) by paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-TDCH7.80146224; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:06:09 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PAOAKEXCSMTP01.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:06:08 -0400 Received: from 147.191.227.151 ([147.191.227.151]) by PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.152]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:06:08 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:06:16 -0400 From: Jason Livingood To: "homegate@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Meeting Cancelation Due to Volcanic Ash Travel Disruptions Thread-Index: AcrddlxsRMH6ph+/cECu4NCsIrPv1A== X-Priority: 1 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3354260777_1821365" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2010 15:06:08.0690 (UTC) FILETIME=[58117920:01CADD76] Subject: [homegate] Meeting Cancelation Due to Volcanic Ash Travel Disruptions X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:06:33 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3354260777_1821365 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Much of Europe is currently experiencing severe travel restrictions resulting from a drifting ash cloud from a volcanic eruption at the Eyjafjallajokull glacier in Iceland that are expected to last at least throughout the coming weekend. Consequently, we have decided to ***CANCEL*** the IETF HomeGate Workshop originally planned to be held in Paris, France on April 20-21. We are extremely sorry for canceling this event at the very last minute, but we believe that a large number of attendees will be prevented from attending or may become stranded en route. The intent is to quickly find another suitable time and location, so that the meeting can occur before the next IETF meeting in Maastricht (July 25-30). Registration fees will be refunded as soon as that can be arranged with the IETF secretariat (or will be credited towards attendance to the replacement workshop, when appropriate.) Again, we are extremely sorry for the late cancelation, but we do believe this to be the best option at this time. Regards Jason --B_3354260777_1821365 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Meeting Cancelation Due to Volcanic Ash Travel Disruptions Much of Europe is currently experiencing severe travel restrict= ions resulting from a drifting ash cloud from a volcanic eruption at the Eyj= afjallajokull glacier in Iceland that are expected to last at least througho= ut the coming weekend.

Consequently, we have decided to ***CANCEL*** the IETF HomeGate Workshop or= iginally planned to be held in Paris, France on April 20-21. We are extremel= y sorry for canceling this event at the very last minute, but we believe tha= t a large number of attendees will be prevented from attending or may become= stranded en route.

The intent is to quickly find another suitable time and location, so that t= he meeting can occur before the next IETF meeting in Maastricht (July 25-30)= . Registration fees will be refunded as soon as that can be arranged with th= e IETF secretariat (or will be credited towards attendance to the replacemen= t workshop, when appropriate.)

Again, we are extremely sorry for the late cancelation, but we do believe t= his to be the best option at this time.

Regards
Jason --B_3354260777_1821365-- From evyncke@cisco.com Fri Apr 16 13:08:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5E328C1B5 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:08:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.184 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.184 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G1zWx0jRR30p for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B413C28C14A for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-2.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjoFALpgyEurR7Ht/2dsb2JhbACBP5o6caRymiCFDgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,221,1270425600"; d="scan'208,217";a="250867686" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Apr 2010 20:08:23 +0000 Received: from xbh-ams-101.cisco.com (xbh-ams-101.cisco.com [144.254.74.71]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3GK8MxG009284; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:08:23 GMT Received: from xmb-ams-110.cisco.com ([144.254.74.85]) by xbh-ams-101.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:08:22 +0200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CADDA0.906121DA" Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:08:19 +0200 Message-ID: <317616CE96204D49B5A1811098BA895001BCC7D1@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [homegate] Meeting Cancelation Due to Volcanic Ash TravelDisruptions Thread-Index: AcrddlxsRMH6ph+/cECu4NCsIrPv1AAKhR/g References: From: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" To: "Jason Livingood" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2010 20:08:22.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[90A3F310:01CADDA0] Subject: Re: [homegate] Meeting Cancelation Due to Volcanic Ash TravelDisruptions X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:08:35 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CADDA0.906121DA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BTW, week after the IETF will be better for me as the week before is = often hectic... =20 Anyway, this is a sensible decision =20 -=E9ric =20 From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Jason Livingood Sent: vendredi 16 avril 2010 17:06 To: homegate@ietf.org Subject: [homegate] Meeting Cancelation Due to Volcanic Ash = TravelDisruptions Importance: High =20 Much of Europe is currently experiencing severe travel restrictions = resulting from a drifting ash cloud from a volcanic eruption at the = Eyjafjallajokull glacier in Iceland that are expected to last at least = throughout the coming weekend. Consequently, we have decided to ***CANCEL*** the IETF HomeGate Workshop = originally planned to be held in Paris, France on April 20-21. We are = extremely sorry for canceling this event at the very last minute, but we = believe that a large number of attendees will be prevented from = attending or may become stranded en route. The intent is to quickly find another suitable time and location, so = that the meeting can occur before the next IETF meeting in Maastricht = (July 25-30). Registration fees will be refunded as soon as that can be = arranged with the IETF secretariat (or will be credited towards = attendance to the replacement workshop, when appropriate.) Again, we are extremely sorry for the late cancelation, but we do = believe this to be the best option at this time. Regards Jason=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CADDA0.906121DA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meeting Cancelation Due to Volcanic Ash Travel = Disruptions

BTW, week after the IETF will be better for me as the = week before is often hectic…

 

Anyway, this is a sensible decision

 

-=E9ric

 

From:= homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Jason Livingood
Sent: vendredi 16 avril 2010 17:06
To: homegate@ietf.org
Subject: [homegate] Meeting Cancelation Due to Volcanic Ash TravelDisruptions
Importance: High

 

Much of Europe is currently experiencing severe travel restrictions resulting = from a drifting ash cloud from a volcanic eruption at the Eyjafjallajokull = glacier in Iceland that are expected to last at least throughout the coming = weekend.

Consequently, we have decided to ***CANCEL*** the IETF HomeGate Workshop originally planned to be held in Paris, France on April 20-21. We are = extremely sorry for canceling this event at the very last minute, but we believe = that a large number of attendees will be prevented from attending or may become stranded en route.

The intent is to quickly find another suitable time and location, so = that the meeting can occur before the next IETF meeting in Maastricht (July = 25-30). Registration fees will be refunded as soon as that can be arranged with = the IETF secretariat (or will be credited towards attendance to the = replacement workshop, when appropriate.)

Again, we are extremely sorry for the late cancelation, but we do = believe this to be the best option at this time.

Regards
Jason

------_=_NextPart_001_01CADDA0.906121DA-- From ietfdbh@comcast.net Sat Apr 17 22:56:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9443A6966 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:56:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.104, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9D4Ks+DBZYLx for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493313A68CB for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6twE1e0031uE5Es5CtwGFM; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 05:56:16 +0000 Received: from Harrington73653 ([67.189.235.106]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6u1y1e0022JQnJT3cu1yk9; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 06:01:58 +0000 From: "David Harrington" To: "'Jari Arkko'" , "'Dan Wing'" References: <0ba501cad66e$f4f0d150$7893150a@cisco.com> <4BC5A5A8.40509@piuha.net> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 01:56:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001301cadebb$da3afcf0$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CADE9A.53295CF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcrbxXAlEtc9oc4KRmuxR/auNQI8qQC9aYfw In-Reply-To: <4BC5A5A8.40509@piuha.net> Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 05:56:24 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CADE9A.53295CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We may need to develop best current practices, and "expected-to-be-best future practices" dbh _____ From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jari Arkko Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:23 AM To: Dan Wing Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing Dan, I can't tell what all might be discussed in the presentations, but I am hoping there will be discussion that many home gateways will soon be in "new" environments including: * being behind a carrier's NAT44, resulting in a system (of the home's NAT44 and the carrier's NAT44) that is commonly called "NAT444". Would be interesting/useful to know if/how the home gateways will deal with that. draft-wing-softwire-port-control-protocol is one way to deal with one aspect of a NAT444 system. There are other aspects of a NAT444 system, including overlapped IP address space, optimized routing of traffic behind the carrier's NAT, and more. Yes, this is an interesting topic. * IPv6, via dual-stack or 6rd. Yes. I would argue dual stack is something that we should recommend. There are plenty of optional mechanisms that some gateways may choose to implement on top of that, though. * IPv4 multicast for IPTV. Hmm. How widely is multicast used for IPTV, and are these deployments similar or do they use widely different ways of delivery over IP (such as multicast vs. unicast)? Also, I understand that a gateway box is often also an IPTV stream termination point (convert IP to HDMI, for instance). However, isn't it then working in a role of a host? Is there something generic that we can say about *gateways* and multicast IPTV? separately, will anything be said about NAT44 ALGs during the two days? SIP ALG, RTSP ALG, H.323 ALG, PPTP "ALG", IPsec/IKE "ALG", etc. Maybe you should tell us whether that's something that should be discussed, and whether standardization in that space is helpful or harmful. What was the outcome of the ALG Bar BoF in IETF-77? Jari IETF has historically ignored NATs (and firewalls) and effectively ignored ALGs in those same devices. In our experience with home gateways, ALGs are a panacea which have interfered with application evolution. -d -----Original Message----- From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jason Livingood Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:05 AM To: homegate@ietf.org Cc: Ray Bellis Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing In my haste, I've left off the correct folks on the cc list for agenda feedback (duh). The workshop organizers above are: Lars Eggest, Jari Arkko, Dave Oran, Mark Townsley, Ray Bellis, and Jason Livingood J On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood" wrote: Our most recent agenda is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE Our main objective in the next several days is to finalize the agenda for the workshop. I am working with all of the people on the cc list, so if you have any suggested changes please be sure they and the list are copied on replies. Thanks Jason _______________________________________________ homegate mailing list homegate@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CADE9A.53295CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
We may need to develop best current practices, = and=20 "expected-to-be-best future practices"
 
dbh
 

From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org=20 [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jari=20 Arkko
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:23 AM
To: = Dan=20 Wing
Cc: homegate@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [homegate] = April=20 Workshop: Agenda Bashing

Dan,

I can't tell what all might be discussed in =
the presentations, but I am hoping
there will be discussion that many home gateways will soon be in "new"
environments including: 
 
  * being behind a carrier's NAT44, resulting in a system (of the=20
    home's NAT44 and the carrier's NAT44) that is commonly called
    "NAT444".

    Would be interesting/useful to know if/how the home gateways
    will deal with that.  draft-wing-softwire-port-control-protocol=20
    is one way to deal with one aspect of a NAT444 system.  There
    are other aspects of a NAT444 system, including overlapped
    IP address space, optimized routing of traffic behind the
    carrier's NAT, and more.

Yes, this is an interesting topic.

  * IPv6, via dual-stack or 6rd.

Yes. I would argue dual stack is something that = we=20 should recommend. There are plenty of optional mechanisms that some = gateways=20 may choose to implement on top of that, though.

  * IPv4 multicast for IPTV.

Hmm. How widely is multicast used for IPTV, and = are=20 these deployments similar or do they use widely different ways of = delivery=20 over IP (such as multicast vs. unicast)?

Also, I understand = that a=20 gateway box is often also an IPTV stream termination point (convert IP = to=20 HDMI, for instance). However, isn't it then working in a role of a = host? Is=20 there something generic that we can say about *gateways* and multicast = IPTV?

separately, will anything be said about =
NAT44 ALGs during the two days?  SIP
ALG, RTSP ALG, H.323 ALG, PPTP "ALG", IPsec/IKE "ALG", =
etc.

Maybe=20 you should tell us whether that's something that should be discussed, = and=20 whether standardization in that space is helpful or harmful. What was = the=20 outcome of the ALG Bar BoF in IETF-77?

Jari
  IETF has
historically ignored NATs (and firewalls) and effectively ignored ALGs =
in
those same devices.  In our experience with home gateways, ALGs are a =
panacea
which have interfered with application evolution.

-d

  
-----Original Message-----
From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org=20
[mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.or=
g] On Behalf Of Jason Livingood
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:05 AM
To: homegate@ietf.org
Cc: Ray Bellis
Subject: Re: [homegate] April Workshop: Agenda Bashing

In my haste, I've left off the correct folks on the cc list=20
for agenda feedback (duh). =20

The workshop organizers above are: Lars Eggest, Jari Arkko,=20
Dave Oran, Mark Townsley, Ray Bellis, and Jason Livingood


J

On 4/6/10 12:42 PM, "Jason Livingood"=20
<jason_livingood@cab=
le.comcast.com> wrote:



	Our most recent agenda is at=20
http://tr=
ac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/HOMEGATE
=09
	Our main objective in the next several days is to=20
finalize the agenda for the workshop.  I am working with all=20
of the people on the cc list, so if you have any suggested=20
changes please be sure they and the list are copied on replies.
=09
	Thanks
	Jason
=09


    

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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CADE9A.53295CF0-- From jari.arkko@piuha.net Mon Apr 19 10:19:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA9E3A6B74 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:19:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.748 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.748 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.851, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HAmP6hM-C820 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00573A6B96 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A372CECB; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:13:48 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CVHsni4T3QWC; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:13:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7EA2CC99; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:13:48 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4BCC8F4B.70808@piuha.net> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:13:47 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100411) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Livingood References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "homegate@ietf.org" Subject: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:19:09 -0000 I was wondering if we should select new dates for the workshop. For instance, I would personally be fine doing this sometime in May at the same location. I have a few other things (such as the IESG retreat) in May as well, but I would suggest a doodle poll for the participants so that we could pick dates. Jari From hkirksey@motive.com Mon Apr 19 10:47:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625A53A6AC9 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:47:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.958 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.958 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.773, BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AKLIQziZ4oMk for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m1.motive.com (m1.motive.com [64.186.184.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719083A68A8 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m1.motive.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C25738F2; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:42:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bellagio.motive.com (unknown [135.115.129.116]) by m1.motive.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D364381B; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:42:06 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:41:46 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4BCC8F4B.70808@piuha.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) Thread-Index: Acrf5Gu5hicRoaWjSpWrY0RB4JgfggAAoBnw References: <4BCC8F4B.70808@piuha.net> From: "Heather Kirksey" To: "Jari Arkko" , "Jason Livingood" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.6.353000 Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:47:04 -0000 I'm certainly happy with the same location (despite currently being stuck here indefinitely...yes I got here before the volcanic ash cloud), assuming Cisco is willing to continue its generosity. But given the timeframes, my May is already booked up, including with meetings with two of the invited organizations (BBF and UPnP). I'm guessing lots of other people will be in this boat, since May itself is not far off at this point. And many corporations have rules around international travel, generally expecting it to be booked a month in advance, which will be hard to do for May. I'd suggest June, perhaps even July, dates.... Heather -----Original Message----- From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jari Arkko Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:14 PM To: Jason Livingood Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) I was wondering if we should select new dates for the workshop. For=20 instance, I would personally be fine doing this sometime in May at the=20 same location. I have a few other things (such as the IESG retreat) in=20 May as well, but I would suggest a doodle poll for the participants so=20 that we could pick dates. Jari _______________________________________________ homegate mailing list homegate@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate From ipv3.com@gmail.com Mon Apr 19 10:58:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4083A6836 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:58:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S7-9WB0j6t+W for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f184.google.com (mail-qy0-f184.google.com [209.85.221.184]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69423A67C0 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14so1058732qyk.14 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:58:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:received:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0Iwx68dGyKW/GTQmLggtaHs68Xb/9pCJ5k8BGBfQCeU=; b=RjEEl2B3z4e8YVwL07d0OQmywTdsjJlX3b6NcOHrQ/v2bNiE3eU3pwwcJSI7xJDgkz sBn2i3Ij9PufNRliQ+WtfhcHLriDwzcycWZWPN4eyidkC4qVs+rV8y4v+Ib0je0bLhYp QAbomxVnb9Zd76DyecRWvY4uEK4a07+FYnDus= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=kRAfuzrU0tjI9T/14tW7qNzHYTOPcICBLkPOaQjwizENl8qbzly9/URk7km8dRBIlU CuDgnWd2f0uAuLDVRFWAQk4v0C+21KfxPf8RTX55emNdEbUQy0FpPyQvce/xXE9+fo19 x0SToYWe7h+PiMcJsZ6xvYrZI06G/D3rNFfn4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.48.70 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:58:07 -0500 Received: by 10.224.117.198 with SMTP id s6mr1783184qaq.371.1271699887761; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "IPv3.com" To: homegate@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [homegate] Meeting Suggestion(s) X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:58:22 -0000 It was noted in some of the pre-meeting notes, BOF materials, etc. that the spirit of the HomeGate events was to encourage Diversity of Discussion from inventors, developers, vendors, etc. It did not appear to be an IETF-only or even IETF-centric activity. That was attractive. There are two annual venues (both in Las Vegas) that may work in the future. One is the up-coming InterOP event. The other is the annual CES - Consumer Electronics Show event in January. The PC---C@T---N@T---NET architecture for the HomeGate may eventually be released. That will not happen in an IETF-centric venue. jf From bmanning@karoshi.com Mon Apr 19 10:48:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0C43A699F for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:48:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.433 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.433 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.167, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QdR3hTCw3DR4 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vacation.karoshi.com (vacation.karoshi.com [198.32.6.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93E33A69B2 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from karoshi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by vacation.karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id o3JHihDW005048; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:44:49 GMT Received: (from bmanning@localhost) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id o3JHihgT005047; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:44:43 GMT Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:44:43 +0000 From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com To: Jari Arkko Message-ID: <20100419174443.GB4262@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <4BCC8F4B.70808@piuha.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4BCC8F4B.70808@piuha.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:10:13 -0700 Cc: "homegate@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:48:40 -0000 may would be fine. I'd prefer to not make -three- trips to Europe in May - so I would prefer - 06-8may in Prauge. --bill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 08:13:47PM +0300, Jari Arkko wrote: > I was wondering if we should select new dates for the workshop. For > instance, I would personally be fine doing this sometime in May at the > same location. I have a few other things (such as the IESG retreat) in > May as well, but I would suggest a doodle poll for the participants so > that we could pick dates. > > Jari > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate From duncan_bees@telus.net Mon Apr 19 10:52:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF983A68D7 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:52:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.298 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.299, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oNZNtG9i7Tha for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from defout.telus.net (defout.telus.net [204.209.205.55]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBBB3A67B5 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from edmwaa02.telusplanet.net ([154.5.59.240]) by priv-edmwes74.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20100419175056.XYVK22113.priv-edmwes74.telusplanet.net@edmwaa02.telusplanet.net>; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:50:56 -0600 Received: from DuncansmallPC (d154-5-59-240.bchsia.telus.net [154.5.59.240]) by edmwaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 7DD61167A3AD9B78; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:50:55 -0600 (MDT) From: "Duncan Bees" To: "'Heather Kirksey'" , "'Jari Arkko'" , "'Jason Livingood'" References: <4BCC8F4B.70808@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: <00b901cadfe8$dd5f7db0$981e7910$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acrf5Gu5hicRoaWjSpWrY0RB4JgfggAAoBnwAABgR3A= Content-Language: en-ca X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:10:13 -0700 Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:52:06 -0000 HGI constraints: Smart Energy meeting Madrid May 20-21 Quarterly HGI meeting Tapei June 14-18 Regards Duncan -----Original Message----- From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Heather Kirksey Sent: April-19-10 10:42 AM To: Jari Arkko; Jason Livingood Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) I'm certainly happy with the same location (despite currently being stuck here indefinitely...yes I got here before the volcanic ash cloud), assuming Cisco is willing to continue its generosity. But given the timeframes, my May is already booked up, including with meetings with two of the invited organizations (BBF and UPnP). I'm guessing lots of other people will be in this boat, since May itself is not far off at this point. And many corporations have rules around international travel, generally expecting it to be booked a month in advance, which will be hard to do for May. I'd suggest June, perhaps even July, dates.... Heather -----Original Message----- From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jari Arkko Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:14 PM To: Jason Livingood Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) I was wondering if we should select new dates for the workshop. For instance, I would personally be fine doing this sometime in May at the same location. I have a few other things (such as the IESG retreat) in May as well, but I would suggest a doodle poll for the participants so that we could pick dates. Jari _______________________________________________ homegate mailing list homegate@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate _______________________________________________ homegate mailing list homegate@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Mon Apr 19 11:13:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4453A6925 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:13:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.359 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.359 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.913, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X5AwoZh3P5Tx for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (Hoffman.Proper.COM [207.182.41.81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99A73A6841 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.158] (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3JICqCK077292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:12:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:12:51 -0700 To: Jim Fleming , homegate@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [homegate] Meeting Suggestion(s) X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:13:04 -0000 At 12:58 PM -0500 4/19/10, Jim Fleming wrote: >It was noted in some of the pre-meeting notes, BOF materials, etc. >that the spirit of the >HomeGate events was to encourage Diversity of Discussion from >inventors, developers, vendors, etc. >It did not appear to be an IETF-only or even IETF-centric activity. That is a mis-reading of the material. This has always meant to be leading to an IETF activity. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From jfink@2wire.com Mon Apr 19 11:13:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF6C28C0D0 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:13:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.501 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HyXlbZquAyKF for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ims.2wire.com (ims.2wire.com [206.171.6.87]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF28C3A6765 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjcexch02.corp.2wire.com ([10.0.0.195]) by ims.2wire.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:13:42 -0700 Received: from 63.82.149.13 ([63.82.149.13]) by sjcexch02.corp.2wire.com ([10.0.0.195]) via Exchange Front-End Server mail.my2wire.com ([10.0.0.133]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:13:42 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:13:41 -0700 From: Jaime Fink To: Duncan Bees , Heather Kirksey , 'Jari Arkko' , 'Jason Livingood' Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) Thread-Index: Acrf5Gu5hicRoaWjSpWrY0RB4JgfggAAoBnwAABgR3AAAOc+Bg== In-Reply-To: <00b901cadfe8$dd5f7db0$981e7910$@net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2010 18:13:42.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B1398B0:01CADFEC] Cc: homegate@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:13:58 -0000 IMHO May is too soon for a re-plan for both flight costs, and eating up an entire week due to travel times. Cheers, Jaime On 4/19/10 10:50 AM, "Duncan Bees" wrote: > HGI constraints: > > Smart Energy meeting Madrid May 20-21 > > Quarterly HGI meeting Tapei June 14-18 > > > Regards > Duncan > > -----Original Message----- > From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Heather Kirksey > Sent: April-19-10 10:42 AM > To: Jari Arkko; Jason Livingood > Cc: homegate@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) > > I'm certainly happy with the same location (despite currently being > stuck here indefinitely...yes I got here before the volcanic ash cloud), > assuming Cisco is willing to continue its generosity. > > But given the timeframes, my May is already booked up, including with > meetings with two of the invited organizations (BBF and UPnP). I'm > guessing lots of other people will be in this boat, since May itself is > not far off at this point. And many corporations have rules around > international travel, generally expecting it to be booked a month in > advance, which will be hard to do for May. > > I'd suggest June, perhaps even July, dates.... > > Heather > > -----Original Message----- > From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Jari Arkko > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:14 PM > To: Jason Livingood > Cc: homegate@ietf.org > Subject: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) > > I was wondering if we should select new dates for the workshop. For > instance, I would personally be fine doing this sometime in May at the > same location. I have a few other things (such as the IESG retreat) in > May as well, but I would suggest a doodle poll for the participants so > that we could pick dates. > > Jari > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate From marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca Mon Apr 19 11:31:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9803B3A69A5 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:31:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gG+X15NbQSB5 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000:226:55ff:fe57:14db]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE6C3A68D1 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mb-en1.lan (modemcable144.164-201-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.201.164.144]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 30E7A20EE1 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4BCCA178.1080708@viagenie.ca> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:31:20 -0400 From: Marc Blanchet User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; fr; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: homegate@ietf.org References: <4BCC8F4B.70808@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <4BCC8F4B.70808@piuha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:31:41 -0000 how about another doodle? marc. Le 10-04-19 13:13, Jari Arkko a écrit : > I was wondering if we should select new dates for the workshop. For > instance, I would personally be fine doing this sometime in May at the > same location. I have a few other things (such as the IESG retreat) in > May as well, but I would suggest a doodle poll for the participants so > that we could pick dates. > > Jari > > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate -- ========= IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley. http://www.ipv6book.ca Stun/Turn server for VoIP NAT-FW traversal: http://numb.viagenie.ca DTN news service: http://reeves.viagenie.ca NAT64-DNS64 Opensource: http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca From evyncke@cisco.com Tue Apr 20 06:01:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DDA3A68A4 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:01:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.792, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8IcEzbnhRNLK for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057043A6A98 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: ams-iport-2.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjUBAKdCzUuQ/uCWiWdsb2JhbACcAhUBAQEKCxERBhyjSZo2hQ8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,243,1270425600"; d="scan'208";a="5853659" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Apr 2010 12:24:57 +0000 Received: from xbh-ams-201.cisco.com (xbh-ams-201.cisco.com [144.254.75.7]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3KD1F6B010531; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:01:15 GMT Received: from xmb-ams-110.cisco.com ([144.254.74.85]) by xbh-ams-201.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:01:14 +0200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:00:57 +0200 Message-ID: <317616CE96204D49B5A1811098BA895001C5A3D9@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4BCCA178.1080708@viagenie.ca> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) Thread-Index: Acrf7o5LrtZ4Da+TTjaxjLrS5YmTvwAmtsIg References: <4BCC8F4B.70808@piuha.net> <4BCCA178.1080708@viagenie.ca> From: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" To: "Marc Blanchet" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2010 13:01:14.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EF7B420:01CAE089] Subject: Re: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:01:32 -0000 With dates in June please (early-May too early, July already vacation = period and too close to the IETF) Doodle is a good suggestion indeed -=E9ric > -----Original Message----- > From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf > Of Marc Blanchet > Sent: lundi 19 avril 2010 20:31 > To: homegate@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) >=20 > how about another doodle? >=20 > marc. >=20 > Le 10-04-19 13:13, Jari Arkko a =E9crit : > > I was wondering if we should select new dates for the workshop. For > > instance, I would personally be fine doing this sometime in May at = the > > same location. I have a few other things (such as the IESG retreat) = in > > May as well, but I would suggest a doodle poll for the participants = so > > that we could pick dates. > > > > Jari > > > > _______________________________________________ > > homegate mailing list > > homegate@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate >=20 >=20 > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley. http://www.ipv6book.ca > Stun/Turn server for VoIP NAT-FW traversal: http://numb.viagenie.ca > DTN news service: http://reeves.viagenie.ca > NAT64-DNS64 Opensource: http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca >=20 > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Tue Apr 20 06:24:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B155A3A6AD9 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:24:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.503 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.503 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.101, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xKib00MQXZxx for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com (paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com [208.17.35.59]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FC63A6BC9 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([10.52.116.31]) by paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-TDCH7.80283579; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:22:06 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PAOAKEXCSMTP02.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:22:06 -0400 Received: from 147.191.227.151 ([147.191.227.151]) by PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.152]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:22:05 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:22:02 -0400 From: Jason Livingood To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" , Marc Blanchet , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) Thread-Index: Acrf7o5LrtZ4Da+TTjaxjLrS5YmTvwAmtsIgAADDRXk= In-Reply-To: <317616CE96204D49B5A1811098BA895001C5A3D9@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2010 13:22:06.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[78F18D60:01CAE08C] Subject: Re: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:24:41 -0000 We will do so shortly. On 4/20/10 9:00 AM, "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" wrote: > With dates in June please (early-May too early, July already vacation per= iod > and too close to the IETF) >=20 > Doodle is a good suggestion indeed >=20 > -=E9ric >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: homegate-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:homegate-bounces@ietf.org] On Be= half >> Of Marc Blanchet >> Sent: lundi 19 avril 2010 20:31 >> To: homegate@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [homegate] new meeting dates (and location?) >>=20 >> how about another doodle? >>=20 >> marc. >>=20 >> Le 10-04-19 13:13, Jari Arkko a =E9crit : >>> I was wondering if we should select new dates for the workshop. For >>> instance, I would personally be fine doing this sometime in May at the >>> same location. I have a few other things (such as the IESG retreat) in >>> May as well, but I would suggest a doodle poll for the participants so >>> that we could pick dates. >>>=20 >>> Jari >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> homegate mailing list >>> homegate@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley. http://www.ipv6book.ca >> Stun/Turn server for VoIP NAT-FW traversal: http://numb.viagenie.ca >> DTN news service: http://reeves.viagenie.ca >> NAT64-DNS64 Opensource: http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> homegate mailing list >> homegate@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Tue Apr 20 07:27:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6487F28C180 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:27:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.209 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.209 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.792, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B1Xlm1VOq1KC for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com (paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com [208.17.35.58]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB633A6C84 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([10.52.116.31]) by paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-NTF18.90081922; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:18:24 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PAOAKEXCSMTP02.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:18:24 -0400 Received: from 147.191.227.151 ([147.191.227.151]) by PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.152]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:18:23 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:18:21 -0400 From: Jason Livingood To: "homegate@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: New Workshop Date -- Doodle Poll Open Thread-Index: AcrglFRx+Q0NnM7ZUkOOdhH43kAnXg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3354603503_2624805" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2010 14:18:24.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[566A5030:01CAE094] Subject: [homegate] New Workshop Date -- Doodle Poll Open X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:27:57 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. 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Jason --B_3354603503_2624805-- From ichiroumakino@gmail.com Tue Apr 20 07:39:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DC43A6AD3 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:39:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.756 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.756 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.843, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MW2RZJizHb+u for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0981228C0F8 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so1957058ewy.13 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:38:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=60Tpr7A4gkiD1VQrd8eDDU1qAeHtRMIdcEwvI3aBSBI=; b=HdXA6YNaBUUjA7WaxAFQBdf7jo2DzDXJ9Lr9JZkaUjDi4s6PnBnv7J60WRW7ggm+9l 9nOyd0UYFtIt8dioW9QANjtqTCRsyPwzhOSV3Nl7KxDVH4ebSzHVmuBFKT15Xuds9Irf /CnpGejk6MJoiQEqlWUyOmQwm//Xl+kigUY8E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=cJNj4/9F/cdoJsRGRCfENh4mjYOBwmDg60lCxHI3Y69Q6HOGmiqnZMunDJXG+wlOwC nIamu8criNmweu4Gak19gsvezAT6QTZYIVSE6lfyQhrDOzSbQ62/bYtasO3EvHnN+pi+ Sb5jTMKECsq5+iRQOg+ECnlmROQSpNIfaK4zg= Received: by 10.213.62.138 with SMTP id x10mr277606ebh.77.1271774331362; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams3-vpn-dhcp5605.cisco.com (64-103-25-233.cisco.com [64.103.25.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm4538704ewy.11.2010.04.20.07.38.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Ole Troan Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ole Troan In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:38:37 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <381A4D87-CE87-4226-8BA6-B5D75F0FAD8E@employees.org> References: To: Jason Livingood X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: "homegate@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [homegate] New Workshop Date -- Doodle Poll Open X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:39:16 -0000 > Please vote now to indicate your availability: >=20 > http://www.doodle.com/qgmv4z6zzavaxuhv doesn't look good so far. I know I'm pretty much away on travels / = holidays from end of May until IETF. what about co-locating it with RIPE60? e.g Tuesday is IPv6 there, so do = Wednesday and Thursday, RIPE week. alternatively if we can't find a way to meet in person, do a set of = videoconferences / mailing list work before the IETF meeting. cheers, Ole= From mbaugher@cisco.com Tue Apr 20 08:35:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C793A6ADF for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:35:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 417ONLV8j1FS for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D91B3A6ADE for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-4.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhAFAEdmzUurR7Ht/2dsb2JhbACBP5pCcaMjmjuFDwSDNA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,243,1270425600"; d="scan'208,217";a="117979462" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Apr 2010 15:35:08 +0000 Received: from sjc-mbaugher-8713.cisco.com (sjc-mbaugher-8713.cisco.com [10.19.93.36]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3KFZ82G028484; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:35:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16--734752904 From: Mark Baugher In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:35:06 -0700 Message-Id: <4AA852C0-1FCE-41F2-86AC-4034484C1EF8@cisco.com> References: To: Jason Livingood X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: "homegate@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [homegate] New Workshop Date -- Doodle Poll Open X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:35:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail-16--734752904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I fat-fingered the web page and did not correctly indicate that I could = make the NYC meeting in May if need be. It is expensive for = non-Europeans who are going to attend the IETF meeting to travel to = Europe for another two day meeting the month before the IETF meeting. = I understand that many IETF participants will want to hold the meeting = the week after the IETF meeting, however, and this further postpones the = meeting. Have we considered a network meeting? Mark On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:18 AM, Jason Livingood wrote: > Please vote now to indicate your availability: >=20 > http://www.doodle.com/qgmv4z6zzavaxuhv >=20 > Thanks > Jason > _______________________________________________ > homegate mailing list > homegate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate --Apple-Mail-16--734752904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I fat-fingered the web page and did not correctly indicate that I could make the NYC meeting in May if need be.  It is expensive for non-Europeans who are going to attend the IETF meeting to travel to Europe for another two day meeting the month before the IETF meeting.   I understand that many IETF participants will want to hold the meeting the week after the IETF meeting, however, and this further postpones the meeting.  Have we considered a network meeting?

Mark

On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:18 AM, Jason Livingood wrote:

Please vote now to indicate your availability:

http://www.doodle.com/qgmv4z6zzavaxuhv

Thanks
Jason
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--Apple-Mail-16--734752904-- From palm@broadcom.com Tue Apr 20 08:44:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95C328C0D7 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:44:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PGxv1dzopLJH for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mms1.broadcom.com (mms1.broadcom.com [216.31.210.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732423A6AFF for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.16.192.224] by mms1.broadcom.com with ESMTP (Broadcom SMTP Relay (Email Firewall v6.3.2)); Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:43:56 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: 02CED230-5797-4B57-9875-D5D2FEE4708A Received: from mail-irva-12.broadcom.com (10.11.16.101) by SJEXCHHUB01.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.192.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.247.2; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:43:56 -0700 Received: from [10.9.253.150] (dhcp-10-9-253-150.broadcom.com [10.9.253.150]) by mail-irva-12.broadcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1C769CA9; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BCDCBBB.1020705@broadcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:43:55 -0700 From: "Stephen [kiwin] PALM" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mark Baugher" References: <4AA852C0-1FCE-41F2-86AC-4034484C1EF8@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4AA852C0-1FCE-41F2-86AC-4034484C1EF8@cisco.com> X-WSS-ID: 67D3143620S96779834-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "homegate@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [homegate] New Workshop Date -- Doodle Poll Open X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:44:14 -0000 Agree that a web/networking meeting would be better for a first meeting. The goals and scope are so vague now that it is hard to justify... Mark Baugher wrote: > I fat-fingered the web page and did not correctly indicate that I could > make the NYC meeting in May if need be. It is expensive for > non-Europeans who are going to attend the IETF meeting to travel to > Europe for another two day meeting the month before the IETF meeting. > I understand that many IETF participants will want to hold the meeting > the week after the IETF meeting, however, and this further postpones the > meeting. Have we considered a network meeting? > > Mark > > On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:18 AM, Jason Livingood wrote: > >> Please vote now to indicate your availability: >> >> http://www.doodle.com/qgmv4z6zzavaxuhv >> >> Thanks >> Jason >> _______________________________________________ >> homegate mailing list >> homegate@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homegate > -- Stephen [kiwin] Palm Ph.D. E: palm@kiwin.com Technical Director T: +1-949-926-PALM Broadcom Broadband Communications Group F: +1-949-926-7256 Irvine, California W: http://www.kiwin.com Secondary email accounts: stephenpalm@alumni.uci.edu palm@broadcom.com s.palm@ieee.org palm@itu.ch spalm@cs.cmu.edu palm@ics.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Thu Apr 22 07:06:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16F728C12A for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:06:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OG0SeBF-F+ZU for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com (paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com [208.17.35.59]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3043A68FA for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([10.52.116.31]) by paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-TDCH7.80405530; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:05:40 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PAOAKEXCSMTP02.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:05:39 -0400 Received: from 147.191.227.151 ([147.191.227.151]) by PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.152]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:05:38 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:05:43 -0400 From: Jason Livingood To: "homegate@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: New Workshop Date - Fail - **NEW** Doodle Poll Open Thread-Index: AcriJOV3Lkev6YSwAkSQR2xfkEnuIA== In-Reply-To: <381A4D87-CE87-4226-8BA6-B5D75F0FAD8E@employees.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2010 14:05:39.0797 (UTC) FILETIME=[E38ED850:01CAE224] Subject: [homegate] New Workshop Date - Fail - **NEW** Doodle Poll Open X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:06:29 -0000 Our last try turned up lots of issues. So we have added some location variety as well as additional dates. This one will hopefully be our final poll - we really need to lock in a new date. So please take a few more moment of your time at vote at: http://www.doodle.com/mwwhy9tuny2zmbef Thanks for your continued patience, Jason From palm@broadcom.com Thu Apr 22 07:09:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385FA28C11F for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:09:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DuWFAR-WJN2k for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mms1.broadcom.com (mms1.broadcom.com [216.31.210.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1C53A6B4C for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.16.192.224] by mms1.broadcom.com with ESMTP (Broadcom SMTP Relay (Email Firewall v6.3.2)); Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:09:35 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: 02CED230-5797-4B57-9875-D5D2FEE4708A Received: from mail-irva-12.broadcom.com (10.11.16.101) by SJEXCHHUB01.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.192.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.247.2; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:09:34 -0700 Received: from [10.9.252.234] (svpn-10-9-252-234.broadcom.com [10.9.252.234]) by mail-irva-12.broadcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E6269CA8; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BD0589A.1050605@broadcom.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:09:30 -0700 From: "Stephen [kiwin] PALM" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason Livingood" References: In-Reply-To: X-WSS-ID: 67CE871420S99188463-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "homegate@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [homegate] New Workshop Date - Fail - **NEW** Doodle Poll Open X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:09:59 -0000 Is there a telephonic/network option? Jason Livingood wrote: > Our last try turned up lots of issues. So we have added some location > variety as well as additional dates. This one will hopefully be our final > poll - we really need to lock in a new date. > > So please take a few more moment of your time at vote at: > http://www.doodle.com/mwwhy9tuny2zmbef > > Thanks for your continued patience, > Jason -- Stephen [kiwin] Palm Ph.D. E: palm@kiwin.com Technical Director T: +1-949-926-PALM Broadcom Broadband Communications Group F: +1-949-926-7256 Irvine, California W: http://www.kiwin.com Secondary email accounts: stephenpalm@alumni.uci.edu palm@broadcom.com s.palm@ieee.org palm@itu.ch spalm@cs.cmu.edu palm@ics.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Thu Apr 22 07:17:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: homegate@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E794F3A6B98 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:17:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.277 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.816, BAYES_05=-1.11, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0bNFFJmOERTn for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com (paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com [208.17.35.59]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2823A6B6A for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.15.92]) by paoakoavas10.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-TDCH7.80406293; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:15:39 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:15:23 -0400 Received: from 147.191.227.151 ([147.191.227.151]) by PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.153]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:15:37 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:15:40 -0400 From: Jason Livingood To: "Stephen [kiwin] PALM" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [homegate] New Workshop Date - Fail - **NEW** Doodle Poll Open Thread-Index: AcriJklOJO1UGA1BP0GZCxuFvLoKjA== In-Reply-To: <4BD0589A.1050605@broadcom.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2010 14:15:23.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F387660:01CAE226] Cc: "homegate@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [homegate] New Workshop Date - Fail - **NEW** Doodle Poll Open X-BeenThere: homegate@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Broadband Home Gateway Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:17:03 -0000 We wish to strongly encourage F2F participation, since that produces the most valuable interaction. However, we will strive to have a conference bridge and/or WebEx. Jason On 4/22/10 10:09 AM, "Stephen [kiwin] PALM" wrote: > Is there a telephonic/network option? > > Jason Livingood wrote: >> Our last try turned up lots of issues. So we have added some location >> variety as well as additional dates. This one will hopefully be our final >> poll - we really need to lock in a new date. >> >> So please take a few more moment of your time at vote at: >> http://www.doodle.com/mwwhy9tuny2zmbef >> >> Thanks for your continued patience, >> Jason >