From Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Tue Apr 2 01:14:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A904F21F983C for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 01:14:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XUUZP38VsWRc for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 01:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.nominet.org.uk (mail.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0CA21F9846 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 01:14:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:Received:From:To:Subject: Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Date:Message-ID:Accept-Language: Content-Language:X-MS-Has-Attach:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip:Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=08VB7qkadVNF9zalHHH28p/694RBIIyw7cS7nxOXxD/EOZQdCZshoxLb gLdr5p44r7X1pv3V8RT0t8z9HnaSiFCgFt0tXBG91ui0v77sqXU136PwR dskEwDv5bf3tQvb; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1364890491; x=1396426491; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray=20Bellis=20 |Subject:=20IETF86=20draft=20minutes|Date:=20Tue,=202=20A pr=202013=2008:14:29=20+0000|Message-ID:=20<53F00E5CD8B2E 34C81C0C89EB0B4FE73105C77F4@wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk> |To:=20"homenet@ietf.org=20Group"=20 |MIME-Version:=201.0; bh=CkB62AtcVUKjr+nauvEUwJLT7rGRCyHMp4sR5JZrr3U=; b=6dZOFKMuXTg3IF/5vKjb3NpRgNrOiHgqsGdMMUogmOHbAOjvyv0yo7ve /4JWcukST+qUZTLK4++q7EyfMXyZI4naB1csJh/sNddwsGMfLAf6I+Bxf O5YIH6RJQ8Kz4We; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,392,1363132800"; d="scan'208,217";a="47607139" Received: from wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.145]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 02 Apr 2013 09:14:30 +0100 Received: from WDS-EXC1.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::1593:1394:a91f:8f5f]) by wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::7577:eaca:5241:25d4%17]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:14:29 +0100 From: Ray Bellis To: "homenet@ietf.org Group" Thread-Topic: IETF86 draft minutes Thread-Index: AQHOL3oZUe81nYIjuE6BsQDuAsmAfg== Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 08:14:29 +0000 Message-ID: <53F00E5CD8B2E34C81C0C89EB0B4FE73105C77F4@wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.2.1] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_53F00E5CD8B2E34C81C0C89EB0B4FE73105C77F4wdsexc1oknanomi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [homenet] IETF86 draft minutes X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 08:14:54 -0000 --_000_53F00E5CD8B2E34C81C0C89EB0B4FE73105C77F4wdsexc1oknanomi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With massive thanks to Thomas Heide Clausen, the minutes of the Orlando ses= sion are now online at: Please send any corrections to the chairs by April 24th at the latest. Ray --_000_53F00E5CD8B2E34C81C0C89EB0B4FE73105C77F4wdsexc1oknanomi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <278BC6A710214F4BA7300EAFB6C39B17@okna.nominet.org.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With massive thanks to Thomas Heide Clausen, the minutes of the Orlando ses= sion are now online at:


Please send any corrections to the chairs <mailto:homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org> by Ap= ril 24th at the latest.

Ray

--_000_53F00E5CD8B2E34C81C0C89EB0B4FE73105C77F4wdsexc1oknanomi_-- From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Tue Apr 2 05:37:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A0521F9786 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 05:37:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.443 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.443 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2T9DhcQOrHDx for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 05:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x234.google.com (mail-we0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::234]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169E321F9791 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 05:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id r5so281175wey.25 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 05:37:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XWVsXxjtQKSfzRZEwLn44N8HpE7+ong9LYj+lcOlIEw=; b=JDtarfZWkfonZyjzT3UiYSnYKT7/ZYzxeeiAVIFufOQ5v8BjMOqXDSfAG7z/IRgT/b GmXkm8PyPcjkLBeV0xZcLfVCz4b+eLEsCKF/jyHbzD7ztBvMRH5mD95JBW7KEw6B45nN MgpZJS8fgJiZAZZF5AZjURxnkR0ne4mVWuiMeKnw2wBOLa9XLW988/n9kD6XmAaueGUI 6wqMnroszDGqhmGv+rjlupufxu1pQHBw7txajRz/Etue2fqUenZ1ahU53HGQ00br4MGF Ms56sQesls8rjvuJa5p8WKyranJ8rMDcJGDOCiieol76+KU7z3SBk5uUA63Nk/VBaWJ8 ngLw== X-Received: by 10.194.57.137 with SMTP id i9mr21454784wjq.18.1364906220235; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 05:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.232.100.161] (c0161.aw.cl.cam.ac.uk. [128.232.100.161]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s2sm2331565wib.4.2013.04.02.05.36.58 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Apr 2013 05:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <515AD0ED.8030903@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:37:01 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bellis References: <53F00E5CD8B2E34C81C0C89EB0B4FE73105C77F4@wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <53F00E5CD8B2E34C81C0C89EB0B4FE73105C77F4@wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "homenet@ietf.org Group" Subject: Re: [homenet] IETF86 draft minutes X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:37:01 -0000 Hi Ray, It' a great transcipt, but for those who were not present, can the chairs add the summary and conclusions on each discussion? Brian On 02/04/2013 09:14, Ray Bellis wrote: > With massive thanks to Thomas Heide Clausen, the minutes of the Orlando session are now online at: > > > > Please send any corrections to the chairs by April 24th at the latest. > > Ray > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > homenet mailing list > homenet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet From jari.arkko@piuha.net Tue Apr 9 06:03:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E436021F861B for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 06:03:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.542 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.542 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.057, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hIxeEcG15tma for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 06:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1F421F843F for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 06:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411132CC55 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:03:54 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id czPkB_vhHF3B for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:03:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8782CC4A for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:03:53 +0300 (EEST) From: Jari Arkko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:03:53 +0300 References: <25CBE1A6-DA1E-4CE5-871A-33E4CC445B47@ietf.org> To: homenet@ietf.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Subject: [homenet] Fwd: videos and blog posts on home networking, buffer bloat X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:03:57 -0000 FYI, there were some homenet-related videos that were shot in the BnB = event at the IETF. Great videos, Mark and John! The bufferbloat stuff = was also very interesting. Jari Begin forwarded message: > From: IETF Chair > Subject: videos and blog posts on home networking, buffer bloat > Date: April 9, 2013 1:27:36 PM GMT+03:00 > To: "ietf@ietf.org Discussion" > Cc: John Brzozowski >=20 > The good folks at ISOC shot a number of videos during IETF-86 with = experts on various topics. These videos are now available, take a look = at the blog post John and I wrote: >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/blog/2013/04/bits-n-bytes-on-video/ >=20 > The videos can also be accessed directly at: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3SvhtLl8aTg (John Brzozowski on = HIPnet) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dd-vwdD3Xtyg (Mark Townsley on = HOMENET) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DNuHYOu4aAqg (Chris Griffiths and Dave = T=E4ht on buffer bloat) >=20 > There was also an earlier blog post that focused on the importance on = running code, written together with Chris: >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/blog/2013/03/running-code-at-ietf-86-2/ >=20 > All in all, I thought these demos and videos were very interesting. It = is excellent that we are building implementations of the things that we = specify in the working groups. And interestingly, Bits-n-Bytes has = become a place to show some these results. Thanks to everyone who was = involved, and the sponsors who made it possible! I also think it would = be great to have even more of this in the coming IETFs. If you have = ideas, let us know! >=20 > Jari Arkko >=20 From johnsonhammond2@hushmail.com Sat Apr 27 09:58:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8001C21F9434 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:58:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2p15VG6HbUqP for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.hushmail.com (smtp1a.hushmail.com [65.39.178.236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5585121F8E45 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.hushmail.com (smtp1a.hushmail.com [65.39.178.236]) by smtp1.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 229523053F for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w8.hushmail.com [65.39.178.52]) by smtp1.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id D0DEA14DBDE; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:58:41 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:58:41 -0400 To: homenet@ietf.org From: johnsonhammond2@hushmail.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20130427165841.D0DEA14DBDE@smtp.hushmail.com> Subject: [homenet] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:18:36 -0000 Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science We are researchers from different parts of the world and conducted a study on the world’s biggest bogus computer science conference WORLDCOMP ( http://sites.google.com/site/worlddump1 ) organized by Prof. Hamid Arabnia from University of Georgia, USA. We submitted a fake paper to WORLDCOMP 2011 and again (the same paper with a modified title) to WORLDCOMP 2012. This paper had numerous fundamental mistakes. Sample statements from that paper include: (1). Binary logic is fuzzy logic and vice versa (2). Pascal developed fuzzy logic (3). Object oriented languages do not exhibit any polymorphism or inheritance (4). TCP and IP are synonyms and are part of OSI model (5). Distributed systems deal with only one computer (6). Laptop is an example for a super computer (7). Operating system is an example for computer hardware Also, our paper did not express any conceptual meaning. However, it was accepted both the times without any modifications (and without any reviews) and we were invited to submit the final paper and a payment of $500+ fee to present the paper. We decided to use the fee for better purposes than making Prof. Hamid Arabnia (Chairman of WORLDCOMP) rich. After that, we received few reminders from WORLDCOMP to pay the fee but we never responded. We MUST say that you should look at the above website if you have any thoughts to submit a paper to WORLDCOMP. DBLP and other indexing agencies have stopped indexing WORLDCOMP’s proceedings since 2011 due to its fakeness. See http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/conf/icai/index.html for of one of the conferences of WORLDCOMP and notice that there is no listing after 2010. See Section 2 of http://sites.google.com/site/dumpconf for comments from well-known researchers about WORLDCOMP. The status of your WORLDCOMP papers can be changed from scientific to other (i.e., junk or non-technical) at any time. Better not to have a paper than having it in WORLDCOMP and spoil the resume and peace of mind forever! Our study revealed that WORLDCOMP is a money making business, using University of Georgia mask, for Prof. Hamid Arabnia. He is throwing out a small chunk of that money (around 20 dollars per paper published in WORLDCOMP’s proceedings) to his puppet (Mr. Ashu Solo or A.M.G. Solo) who publicizes WORLDCOMP and also defends it at various forums, using fake/anonymous names. The puppet uses fake names and defames other conferences to divert traffic to WORLDCOMP. He also makes anonymous phone calls and tries to threaten the critiques of WORLDCOMP (See Item 7 of Section 5 of above website). That is, the puppet does all his best to get a maximum number of papers published at WORLDCOMP to get more money into his (and Prof. Hamid Arabnia’s) pockets. Monte Carlo Resort (the venue of WORLDCOMP for more than 10 years, until 2012) has refused to provide the venue for WORLDCOMP’13 because of the fears of their image being tarnished due to WORLDCOMP’s fraudulent activities. That is why WORLDCOMP’13 is taking place at a different resort. WORLDCOMP will not be held after 2013. The draft paper submission deadline is over but still there are no committee members, no reviewers, and there is no conference Chairman. The only contact details available on WORLDCOMP’s website is just an email address! Let us make a direct request to Prof. Hamid arabnia: publish all reviews for all the papers (after blocking identifiable details) since 2000 conference. Reveal the names and affiliations of all the reviewers (for each year) and how many papers each reviewer had reviewed on average. We also request him to look at the Open Challenge (Section 6) at https://sites.google.com/site/moneycomp1 Sorry for posting to multiple lists. Spreading the word is the only way to stop this bogus conference. Please forward this message to other mailing lists and people. We are shocked with Prof. Hamid Arabnia and his puppet’s activities http://worldcomp-fake-bogus.blogspot.com Search Google using the keyword worldcomp fake for additional links.