From nobody Fri Sep 1 07:42:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99597132FB4 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 07:42:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=rtfm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ma6Y0w-Z1dqv for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 07:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x236.google.com (mail-yw0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9BCD13293A for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 07:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x236.google.com with SMTP id s62so2081495ywg.0 for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2017 07:42:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rtfm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XcbXqakI5GenzW/ABCl9EV6gD/McJiDrLarovLBHT08=; b=J5fZ4DS7yzM5uybehQqU1X9LAd1sBrqGmuH/TT1Jfi+QRewEDLJn597ox/SWN152XG aQsa+ayHWH8Q0HTvU/ePrpXYYcP5G3/3PfYzybWVNoGNq/i+QkCzr/E9Yivf9DIv6Qmn Wk1ZzVX5CVDIGnW5trX37Iq6TFuFfbsNzQB3QZly4RPjnpZQK/8N4q6zffIWbdSiC7CP ZuiuWZOLUUlwrp+RMhL9+a4NzqV7dtl/bS3eYreqD+9scvvc2aZuMOnMwDJXI8eMfbgv tvctqDE+458sEXOHDb1czSoBaEnLoASh8YvSFHXQSfcAmYJKZ4SzKM7Vd+RQk4uQHjwf U9Kg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XcbXqakI5GenzW/ABCl9EV6gD/McJiDrLarovLBHT08=; b=AQPH7+YZNVNUlnbr9n+wBM41032PxQ2Y8keHMYcXhDbN57DAfFXMj8OFb8SHrk5Elj WciQaM2w/pA7w8dbPevvHDO4fOg3BllEPuOy/yCUcIg9YaesnurKvSbZieMCJVq7ERO2 vsmnP4fcXEhR9vxQVFI6m8H1CZHmhnojc9kuSfcAtp9B4pSrX99jm19CC5f8qNASkNQo 5bimXo+zbnEKt2lMMkbVeocixgPH5cBtnfgqlAEgJcugqnWMTZxByDqIgtIkTMgnSPgV 4u1jpFy23sY3ErcIYUDYgfrMz3N3XxlyTY2sar9nVMBtrM4MrrCtZQdKqy7XniI8g+SY hbQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUjww5w2PNVifNibpwXDqn/9ZxyXQ8gAtkbnFb18iKuvgBbHQhUk QCdGms6Spiljw2cl6TXkldQijm4ERoOMJ80= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADKCNb6YJlLXoIUv1mVrPWbz9LAx2qoTqVlK2G8zygwuHgYihYBm9XILVhmSEgi5qpA852ypM3+ybEKMN0d3GCYdPys= X-Received: by 10.13.204.66 with SMTP id o63mr2026626ywd.321.1504276933909; Fri, 01 Sep 2017 07:42:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.13.218.130 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 07:41:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170901023908.E7C0F83ED0E3@rock.dv.isc.org> References: <150413520708.16860.14531912464478386147.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <20170901023908.E7C0F83ED0E3@rock.dv.isc.org> From: Eric Rescorla Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 08:41:33 -0600 Message-ID: To: Mark Andrews Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-homenet-dot@ietf.org, homenet-chairs@ietf.org, homenet@ietf.org, ray@bellis.me.uk Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114f25d24a36b5055821c466" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [homenet] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-homenet-dot-13: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 14:42:17 -0000 --001a114f25d24a36b5055821c466 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message <150413520708.16860.14531912464478386147. > idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>, > Eric Rescorla writes: > > Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-homenet-dot-13: Discuss > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria. > html > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-homenet-dot/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > DISCUSS: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > A. Recursive resolvers at sites using 'home.arpa.' MUST > > transparently support DNSSEC queries: queries for DNSSEC > > records and queries with the DO bit set ([RFC4035] section > > 3.2.1). While validation is not required, it is strongly > > encouraged: a caching recursive resolver that does not > > validate answers that can be validated may cache invalid > > data. This in turn will prevent validating stub resolvers > > from successfully validating answers. > > > > I don't understand the rationale for this requirement. As I understand it > > from this document, stuff ending in home.arpa cannot be DNSSEC validated, > > so what's it the business of this document to levy the requirement on > > sites which support home.arpa that they do anything with DNSSEC at all. > > Wrong the responses can be validated. The output of the validation > step is one of secure, insecure, or bogus. With the exception of > home.arpa/DS and without private trust anchors being installed the > output of that validation should be insecure for all answers from > home.arpa. home.arpa/DS should validate as secure NODATA. > > In particular validation of the home.arpa/DS is important as it > prevents the cache being poisoned with answers which prevent the > stub proving that the home.arpa is supposed to exist and that it > doesn't have a chain of trust from the root. > I don't see how this is different from any other kind of resolution. -Ekr > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > > homenet mailing list > > homenet@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet > -- > Mark Andrews, ISC > 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia > PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org > --001a114f25d24a36b5055821c466 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:

In message <150413520708.16860.14531912464478386147.i= dtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>,
Eric Rescorla writes:
> Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-homenet-dot-13: Discuss
>
> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<= br> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s
> introductory paragraph, however.)
>
>
> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/i= esg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>
>
> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d= raft-ietf-homenet-dot/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------= ----------
> DISCUSS:
> ------------------------------------------------------------= ----------
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 A.=C2=A0 Recursive resolvers at sites using= 'home.arpa.'=C2=A0 MUST
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 transparently support DNSSEC = queries: queries for DNSSEC
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 records and queries with the = DO bit set ([RFC4035] section
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3.2.1).=C2=A0 While validatio= n is not required, it is strongly
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 encouraged: a caching recursi= ve resolver that does not
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 validate answers that can be = validated may cache invalid
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 data.=C2=A0 This in turn will= prevent validating stub resolvers
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 from successfully validating = answers.
>
> I don't understand the rationale for this requirement. As I unders= tand it
> from this document, stuff ending in home.arpa cannot be DNSSEC validat= ed,
> so what's it the business of this document to levy the requirement= on
> sites which support home.arpa that they do anything with DNSSEC at all= .

Wrong the responses can be validated.=C2=A0 The output of the v= alidation
step is one of secure, insecure, or bogus.=C2=A0 With the exception of
home.arpa/DS and without private trust anchors being installed the
output of that validation should be insecure for all answers from
home.arpa.=C2=A0 home.arpa/DS should validate as secure NODATA.

In particular validation of the home.arpa/DS is important as it
prevents the cache being poisoned with answers which prevent the
stub proving that the home.arpa is supposed to exist and that it
doesn't have a chain of trust from the root.

<= /div>
I don't see how this is different from any other kind of reso= lution.

-Ekr
=C2=A0
Mark

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--001a114f25d24a36b5055821c466-- From nobody Fri Sep 1 10:47:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homenet@ietf.org Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82191341BA; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 10:47:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: homenet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.59.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150428805872.6417.9525310755360551475@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 10:47:38 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-homenet-dot-14.txt X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 17:47:39 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Home Networking WG of the IETF. Title : Special Use Domain 'home.arpa.' Authors : Pierre Pfister Ted Lemon Filename : draft-ietf-homenet-dot-14.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2017-09-01 Abstract: This document specifies the behavior that is expected from the Domain Name System with regard to DNS queries for names ending with '.home.arpa.', and designates this domain as a special-use domain name. 'home.arpa.' is designated for non-unique use in residential home networks. Home Networking Control Protocol (HNCP) is updated to use the 'home.arpa.' domain instead of '.home'. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-homenet-dot/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-homenet-dot-14 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-homenet-dot-14 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-homenet-dot-14 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Sep 1 11:46:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF38413452C for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 11:46:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=mathemainzel.info Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ipU7ZO56x2nv for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 11:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx07lb.world4you.com (mx07lb.world4you.com [81.19.149.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3470E13452F for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 11:46:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mathemainzel.info; s=dkim11; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=j558jPof6UzKZbzNiNYlh2ib/QvT9VoeM29W7O6GpUU=; b=LC1yN3+emhd6iZ/mS7MinOC7FiwHS95fdzb4yuN6BN7F+ZvsQuq7DqR9hhHMKDCrvhnmtNYgBKQI0+3Rw6sp96U/tRpSq86r9T0dBhJXoRgVfifQyGbjRnNv+czjQL0bQnKnjbhkfg4Xu8/JSpWJmVP6hNk7rce+yeq2l0C99j4=; Received: from [90.146.55.206] (helo=home.mail) by mx07lb.world4you.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dnqx7-0002mg-Vr for homenet@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2017 20:46:02 +0200 Message-ID: <59A9AAE8.9090901@mathemainzel.info> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 20:46:00 +0200 From: "Walter H." 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I read this line "The domain name 'home.arpa.' is to be used for naming within residential homenets." when this draft becomes an RFC - hopefully this year 2017 - then there=20 exists an RFC, which gives you a domain name you can use in a home network/LAN without conflicting to other things ..., the domain name 'home.arpa' but there still doesn't exist any for company networks, they most=20 commonly use the domain name 'local', which I already noticed, that this conflicts to = RFC 6762 ... 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References: <150428805872.6417.9525310755360551475@ietfa.amsl.com> <59A9AAE8.9090901@mathemainzel.info> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-homenet-dot-14.txt X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 18:47:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D5064AC2-4D27-4410-B2D0-D4B92AC078A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Walter H. = wrote: > but there still doesn't exist any for company networks, they most = commonly use > the domain name 'local', which I already noticed, that this conflicts = to RFC 6762 ... That problem is not within the scope of the homenet working group to = address. You might consider raising it in the dnsop working group. --Apple-Mail=_D5064AC2-4D27-4410-B2D0-D4B92AC078A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Walter H. <Walter.H@mathemainzel.info> wrote:
but there still doesn't exist any for = company networks, they most commonly use
the domain name = 'local', which I already noticed, that this conflicts to RFC 6762 = ...

That = problem is not within the scope of the homenet working group to address. =   You might consider raising it in the dnsop working = group.

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Cc: HOMENET Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-homenet-dot-14.txt X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2017 23:25:33 -0000 On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Walter H. wrote: > Hello, > > just one question for some better understanding ... > > I read this line > > "The domain name 'home.arpa.' is to be used for naming within > residential homenets." > > when this draft becomes an RFC - hopefully this year 2017 - then there > exists > an RFC, which gives you a domain name you can use in a home network/LAN > without conflicting to other things ..., the domain name 'home.arpa' > > but there still doesn't exist any for company networks, they most commonly > use > the domain name 'local', which I already noticed, that this conflicts to RFC > 6762 ... Around 2 months ago (AKA, *just* before the draft cutoff) I wrote https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wkumari-dnsop-internal-00 -- this is specifically designed to be a reservation for a companies / organizations / test networks / disconnected networks, etc to be able to use. So far it has generated basically no discussion -- some of the purpose was simply to more fully discuss the issues, etc surrounding this sort of issue. Note that the document is not very well written, it was written on a plane and submitted in a rush. W > > Thanks, > Walter > > > On 01.09.2017 19:47, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Home Networking WG of the IETF. >> >> Title : Special Use Domain 'home.arpa.' >> Authors : Pierre Pfister >> Ted Lemon >> Filename : draft-ietf-homenet-dot-14.txt >> Pages : 11 >> Date : 2017-09-01 >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > homenet mailing list > homenet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf From nobody Sat Sep 2 17:38:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20CC133089 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2017 17:38:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V7no0-vc_U39 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2017 17:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com (mail-wm0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BC89132FB2 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2017 17:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id 187so19093841wmn.1 for ; Sat, 02 Sep 2017 17:38:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=X2K/1cJDBaZ/l1dsQaFYxPLseWpnxexv10l0BGWjlB4=; b=tGmDNCyI9ObIBw2oIPeisYRbHD8xKKmUVPflHYxbBnCv2EzXT8hWt4DkSZFEkG13Wc Zs25IdVHWUFQaZGAKI8rX6+bvqtvFEaCdvoL9z+h6oFA3EPmnTAngU0Sgzo4EqzxJ1fx vwXYhUwhjp3etjdQPxZF/oW5jcTImHb2Jg9baYXdJlY6dAH/7/7QjTwGRPHJecu/8SaS 89wdh/TEYiOl2+FnA4tS7gAat9r9J5gfUPomiuRp3lN4u+S3mwaf7q872HYXhJGltUjL qcddcH3H/mpFsIuQE5XY0pAi1c8Q6t1RURiaiXePYCIMrlsUvWAyo6COh+6hRamMLMHg +4+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=X2K/1cJDBaZ/l1dsQaFYxPLseWpnxexv10l0BGWjlB4=; b=QNcG1IVdn7y5HhvV5r2TbrAcsUR46xoCvm1+rkDHNKKU28dAC+IouvFNkH2aQi+1Df 9xhu03BuKSPaPIXYw90xqAqAkIng2EbS8mEeB0YRH67micijWO5G+k/YqjXS4bi008yJ ml+aJJ+zxSMwIq9Q17LzfEjvPLAAOcBVrb3T/TAT2oqxR17AXoobN1844t8QqF22PuzJ Aq/SQJGF1x9JNYyqtWba2PwOpvP9B9fkI2dGY3yndtgP2m/5gYC1GAVsy1cZMChxa5aJ j0cFfQObYShAlQ9tyaAPZuCk54V7VPTlF8MZRCDKZ8/ryZtCx72FqlGwwf0hdBf/lz2a kdzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUiVPubmz0JpxC+8j1wUArFM4LyUAN4RmHWxvqeO+rt6wHj1GGYC 6d/FsjAcc3t+F7cc49KzjFG/VEcO0Y1X X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADKCNb5emnpMpe7SOzrQTw4HM98FwslpTVmXhk1ReEfutQOcqBtsjevl1SbWbxhPloCkHAFRhjqVPzcEILmYc/1iMfE= X-Received: by 10.28.99.7 with SMTP id x7mr1414095wmb.30.1504399130831; Sat, 02 Sep 2017 17:38:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.164.135 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Sep 2017 17:38:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <150413520708.16860.14531912464478386147.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <20170901023908.E7C0F83ED0E3@rock.dv.isc.org> From: Warren Kumari Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 20:38:10 -0400 Message-ID: To: Eric Rescorla Cc: Mark Andrews , draft-ietf-homenet-dot@ietf.org, homenet-chairs@ietf.org, HOMENET , The IESG , Ray Bellis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [homenet] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-homenet-dot-13: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2017 00:38:55 -0000 On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: >> >> >> In message >> <150413520708.16860.14531912464478386147.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>, >> Eric Rescorla writes: >> > Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for >> > draft-ietf-homenet-dot-13: Discuss >> > >> > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> > introductory paragraph, however.) >> > >> > >> > Please refer to >> > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> > >> > >> > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-homenet-dot/ >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > DISCUSS: >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > A. Recursive resolvers at sites using 'home.arpa.' MUST >> > transparently support DNSSEC queries: queries for DNSSEC >> > records and queries with the DO bit set ([RFC4035] section >> > 3.2.1). While validation is not required, it is strongly >> > encouraged: a caching recursive resolver that does not >> > validate answers that can be validated may cache invalid >> > data. This in turn will prevent validating stub resolvers >> > from successfully validating answers. >> > >> > I don't understand the rationale for this requirement. As I understand >> > it >> > from this document, stuff ending in home.arpa cannot be DNSSEC >> > validated, >> > so what's it the business of this document to levy the requirement on >> > sites which support home.arpa that they do anything with DNSSEC at all. >> >> Wrong the responses can be validated. The output of the validation >> step is one of secure, insecure, or bogus. With the exception of >> home.arpa/DS and without private trust anchors being installed the >> output of that validation should be insecure for all answers from >> home.arpa. home.arpa/DS should validate as secure NODATA. >> >> In particular validation of the home.arpa/DS is important as it >> prevents the cache being poisoned with answers which prevent the >> stub proving that the home.arpa is supposed to exist and that it >> doesn't have a chain of trust from the root. > > > I don't see how this is different from any other kind of resolution. Jumpin' in the middle here. The root proves that .arpa exists. .arpa proves that home.arpa exists, but, as there is no DS record, it also proves that names under home.arpa are insecure, and so we can create foo.home.arpa, bar.home.arpa, etc. If recursive resolvers at sites using 'home.arpa.' DID NOT transparently support DNSSEC queries, then validating stubs would not be able to query the .arpa servers, and get back the proof showing that home.arpa is insecure, and so we would not make foo.home.arpa exist. Of course, if recursive resolvers at sites using 'home.arpa.' DID NOT transparently support DNSSEC queries they would break ALL validation, and validating stubs wouldn't be able to resolve anything at all... W > > -Ekr > >> >> Mark >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > homenet mailing list >> > homenet@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet >> -- >> Mark Andrews, ISC >> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia >> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > homenet mailing list > homenet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. 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(Feel free to cut > this > >> > introductory paragraph, however.) > >> > > >> > > >> > Please refer to > >> > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > >> > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > >> > > >> > > >> > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-homenet-dot/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > >> > DISCUSS: > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > >> > > >> > A. Recursive resolvers at sites using 'home.arpa.' MUST > >> > transparently support DNSSEC queries: queries for DNSSEC > >> > records and queries with the DO bit set ([RFC4035] section > >> > 3.2.1). While validation is not required, it is strongly > >> > encouraged: a caching recursive resolver that does not > >> > validate answers that can be validated may cache invalid > >> > data. This in turn will prevent validating stub resolvers > >> > from successfully validating answers. > >> > > >> > I don't understand the rationale for this requirement. As I understand > >> > it > >> > from this document, stuff ending in home.arpa cannot be DNSSEC > >> > validated, > >> > so what's it the business of this document to levy the requirement on > >> > sites which support home.arpa that they do anything with DNSSEC at > all. > >> > >> Wrong the responses can be validated. The output of the validation > >> step is one of secure, insecure, or bogus. With the exception of > >> home.arpa/DS and without private trust anchors being installed the > >> output of that validation should be insecure for all answers from > >> home.arpa. home.arpa/DS should validate as secure NODATA. > >> > >> In particular validation of the home.arpa/DS is important as it > >> prevents the cache being poisoned with answers which prevent the > >> stub proving that the home.arpa is supposed to exist and that it > >> doesn't have a chain of trust from the root. > > > > > > I don't see how this is different from any other kind of resolution. > > Jumpin' in the middle here. > > The root proves that .arpa exists. .arpa proves that home.arpa exists, > but, as there is no DS record, it also proves that names under > home.arpa are insecure, and so we can create foo.home.arpa, > bar.home.arpa, etc. > > If recursive resolvers at sites using 'home.arpa.' DID NOT > transparently support DNSSEC queries, then validating stubs would not > be able to query the .arpa servers, and get back the proof showing > that home.arpa is insecure, and so we would not make foo.home.arpa > exist. Of course, if recursive resolvers at sites using 'home.arpa.' > DID NOT transparently support DNSSEC queries they would break ALL > validation, and validating stubs wouldn't be able to resolve anything > at all... > Yes, I think this is consistent with the point I am making. Regardless, I've removed my Discuss, so I don't think there's a lot of point in continuing to debate this. -Ekr > > W > > > > > > -Ekr > > > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > homenet mailing list > >> > homenet@ietf.org > >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet > >> -- > >> Mark Andrews, ISC > >> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia > >> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > homenet mailing list > > homenet@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet > > > > > > -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad > idea in the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair > of pants. > ---maf > --089e082456802e2ea205583f70b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net&g= t; wrote:
On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> In message
>> <150413520708.16860.14531912464478386147.idt= racker@ietfa.amsl.com>,
>> Eric Rescorla writes:
>> > Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for >> > draft-ietf-homenet-dot-13: Discuss
>> >
>> > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and repl= y to all
>> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free t= o cut this
>> > introductory paragraph, however.)
>> >
>> >
>> > Please refer to
>> > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
>> > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions= .
>> >
>> >
>> > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found= here:
>> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/<= wbr>doc/draft-ietf-homenet-dot/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------= --------------
>> > DISCUSS:
>> > --------------------------------------------------------= --------------
>> >
>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 A.=C2=A0 Recursive resolvers at si= tes using 'home.arpa.'=C2=A0 MUST
>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 transparently suppor= t DNSSEC queries: queries for DNSSEC
>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 records and queries = with the DO bit set ([RFC4035] section
>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3.2.1).=C2=A0 While = validation is not required, it is strongly
>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 encouraged: a cachin= g recursive resolver that does not
>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 validate answers tha= t can be validated may cache invalid
>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 data.=C2=A0 This in = turn will prevent validating stub resolvers
>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 from successfully va= lidating answers.
>> >
>> > I don't understand the rationale for this requirement. As= I understand
>> > it
>> > from this document, stuff ending in home.arpa cannot be DNSSE= C
>> > validated,
>> > so what's it the business of this document to levy the re= quirement on
>> > sites which support home.arpa that they do anything with DNSS= EC at all.
>>
>> Wrong the responses can be validated.=C2=A0 The output of the vali= dation
>> step is one of secure, insecure, or bogus.=C2=A0 With the exceptio= n of
>> home.arpa/DS and without private trust anchors being installed the=
>> output of that validation should be insecure for all answers from<= br> >> home.arpa.=C2=A0 home.arpa/DS should validate as secure NODATA. >>
>> In particular validation of the home.arpa/DS is important as it >> prevents the cache being poisoned with answers which prevent the >> stub proving that the home.arpa is supposed to exist and that it >> doesn't have a chain of trust from the root.
>
>
> I don't see how this is different from any other kind of resolutio= n.

Jumpin' in the middle here.

The root proves that .arpa exists. .arpa proves that home.arpa exists,
but, as there is no DS record, it also proves that names under
home.arpa are insecure, and so we can create foo.home.arpa,
bar.home.arpa, etc.

If recursive resolvers at sites using 'home.arpa.'=C2=A0 DID NOT transparently support DNSSEC queries, then validating stubs would not
be able to query the .arpa servers, and get back the proof showing
that home.arpa is insecure, and so we would not make foo.home.arpa
exist. Of course, if recursive resolvers at sites using 'home.arpa.'= ;
DID NOT transparently support DNSSEC queries they would break ALL
validation, and validating stubs wouldn't be able to resolve anything at all...

Yes, I think this is consiste= nt with the point I am making.

Regardless, I'v= e removed my Discuss, so I don't think there's a lot of point in co= ntinuing to debate this.

-Ekr
=C2=A0

W


>
> -Ekr
>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > homenet mailing list
>> > homenet@ietf.org
>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinf= o/homenet
>> --
>> Mark Andrews, ISC
>> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
>> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0INTERNET: marka@isc.org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> homenet mailing list
> homenet@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet=
>



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I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a = bad
idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
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--089e082456802e2ea205583f70b7-- From nobody Wed Sep 6 07:16:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homenet@ietf.org Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEE5132FCF; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 07:16:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.60.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: homenet-chairs@ietf.org, The IESG , rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, ray@bellis.me.uk, draft-ietf-homenet-dot@ietf.org, homenet@ietf.org, terry.manderson@icann.org, Ray Bellis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <150470737549.15231.15068673407326959049.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 07:16:15 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [homenet] Protocol Action: 'Special Use Domain 'home.arpa.'' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-homenet-dot-14.txt) X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 14:16:15 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Special Use Domain 'home.arpa.'' (draft-ietf-homenet-dot-14.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Home Networking Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Suresh Krishnan and Terry Manderson. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-homenet-dot/ Technical Summary >> This document updates RFC 7788 (Home Networking Control Protocol), >> eliminating the recommendation for ".home" as the default top-level >> name for name resolution within a homenet and replacing it with >> ".home.arpa." per the RFC 6761 process. Working Group Summary >> The working group was strongly opposed to the idea of redacting the >> ".home" TLD without a replacement TLD requested at the same time. >> Upon granting of ".home.arpa." the open source homenet reference >> implementation will be updated accordingly (but not before, as >> removing the default TLD with no replacement would result in a >> non-working system). Document Quality >> Existing open source implementations of the HNCP protocol do contain >> the originally specified ".home" value, but it is expected that they >> will change to ".home.arpa." on approval Personnel >> Ray Bellis is the document shepherd. Terry Manderson is the >> responsible AD. IANA Note >> Please note the interaction required with the IAB to create a delegation as requested in Section 7 of the document. From nobody Wed Sep 6 08:19:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3134A132D45 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 08:19:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4xSOvo6ydlTZ for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 08:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E70EA132D18 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 08:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF5DBE7C; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:19:29 +0100 (IST) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TxmnuuVPNgtZ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:19:29 +0100 (IST) Received: from [134.226.36.93] (bilbo.dsg.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.36.93]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F0D1BBDD8; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:19:28 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1504711169; bh=mAyB6N8muFVakTbrmZ7q/ghnQSrmWB6JoRUcHeLThvQ=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=mmHs/tAiWyvqRuKMRs/aUfDrQimoK+A3dDemVF+IjBxiMp1fjGbk8/0Vw5DrzD5dD ilqQAXWF5JsMH9GfyfaVeclpdyjFrZXv3ljEYP98zLRivbrQ02sPCXJ4MZxPhIolvd SZlPqo5bcyncUHSFfjKo+5FRY2ifq+6/neoldHU8= To: "homenet@ietf.org" References: <16732A22-AE41-4243-A7AC-2456D53860C8@icann.org> Cc: Terry Manderson From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:19:28 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <16732A22-AE41-4243-A7AC-2456D53860C8@icann.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k2W9coVj567Fik98UPFAnAEBnwVxb28RF" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [homenet] Incoming chairs for HOMENET X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 15:19:33 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --k2W9coVj567Fik98UPFAnAEBnwVxb28RF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="UcgfXjbxsbTCtVov8JTcMpAGnVnoTBevf"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: "homenet@ietf.org" Cc: Terry Manderson Message-ID: Subject: Re: [homenet] Incoming chairs for HOMENET References: <16732A22-AE41-4243-A7AC-2456D53860C8@icann.org> In-Reply-To: <16732A22-AE41-4243-A7AC-2456D53860C8@icann.org> --UcgfXjbxsbTCtVov8JTcMpAGnVnoTBevf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, On 23/07/17 07:42, Terry Manderson wrote: > Dear WG, >=20 > I am pleased to announce that the new chairs for HOMENET will be > Barbara Stark and Stephen Farrell. >=20 > Ray has graciously offered to assist in a smooth chair transition by > staying on until IETF100 (thanks Ray!) so this means for a few month > HOMENET will have a 3-chair team. >=20 > When will the new chairs take their seats? This coming week I will > make the changes to the chair roster so that Barbara and Ray will be > the chairs. In early August Stephen will be added, and then in > Singapore Ray can finally rest. Just to note that Terry's now added me as a co-chair, so Ray's rest is getting closer:-) I look forward to working with Barbara, Ray and you all to help the WG complete it's work so feel free to ping me if there's stuff where I can help, Cheers, S. >=20 > Cheers Terry >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ homenet mailing list=20 > homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet >=20 --UcgfXjbxsbTCtVov8JTcMpAGnVnoTBevf-- --k2W9coVj567Fik98UPFAnAEBnwVxb28RF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJZsBIAAAoJEC88hzaAX42iOtoH/R+UPf5MJoI6LB9qDr+baNO6 gggAhl/vOWYF86ZzXUJp0XNwf+YpJgiH4vyaigD1sfoiGjLS42h4kYsoIe1wBs+r fNJfbrXq3set9CcvJA4S6G7/VCiepPkolaxTYcWikotEvgdSL8Y3mi2ITp4d2rK0 eTPbZ0k6mYxi7EkCpVtDVQRmrtR3CIy3+p9P9xqYQaoe5Sxd1qHLgYS45qNhiAM/ BbKlzkGCxKcB58Ei7vcrnLMiMoDj5rhYEcPCqQ3HiP8mFVanZsdfowvOGt/yHJ32 4Go20ZvpM2v67J9KcG4PEsEcD3DM7v7ni0PnffCFsrAUf66mkISh5Ll/odnsSWE= =8AlP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k2W9coVj567Fik98UPFAnAEBnwVxb28RF-- From nobody Wed Sep 13 12:34:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D635132ED2 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:34:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3AFEM-4UfCDy for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0F04126B6D for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id D9BD8B8106E; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:34:37 -0700 (PDT) To: markus.stenberg@iki.fi, cyrus@openwrt.org, pierre.pfister@darou.fr, suresh.krishnan@gmail.com, terry.manderson@icann.org, bs7652@att.com, ray@bellis.me.uk, stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: denis@ovsienko.info, homenet@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20170913193437.D9BD8B8106E@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [homenet] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7788 (5113) X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:34:52 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7788, "Home Networking Control Protocol". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5113 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Denis Ovsienko Section: 10 Original Text ------------- 10.2.2. DHCPv6-Data TLV 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type: DHCPv6-Data (37) | Length: > 0 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ [...] 10.2.3. DHCPv4-Data TLV 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type: DHCPv4-Data (38) | Length: > 0 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Corrected Text -------------- 10.2.2. DHCPv6-Data TLV 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type: DHCPv6-Data (38) | Length: > 0 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ [...] 10.2.3. DHCPv4-Data TLV 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type: DHCPv4-Data (37) | Length: > 0 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Notes ----- Section 13 (IANA Considerations) of the document says: 37: DHCPv4-Data 38: DHCPv6-Data Those code points from Section 13 are in the "HNCP TLV Types" IANA registry as well as in the current source code of shncpd and tcpdump. The code points shown in Sections 10.2.2 and 10.2.3 were likely swapped by mistake. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC7788 (draft-ietf-homenet-hncp-10) -------------------------------------- Title : Home Networking Control Protocol Publication Date : April 2016 Author(s) : M. Stenberg, S. Barth, P. Pfister Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Home Networking Area : Internet Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Wed Sep 13 12:50:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F81C132EE7 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:50:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qxcx5zWE3pzn for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43A90132EC2 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/75695) with ESMTP id v8DJoNrq016364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:50:23 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/75695) with ESMTP id v8DJoKS4003903; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:50:20 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30419EB264; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:50:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id T58JwtPEH7fJ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:50:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lanthane.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (unknown [172.23.36.54]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C9C8EEB207; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:50:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lanthane.irif.fr) by lanthane.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dsDfu-0000ez-Gx; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:50:18 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:50:18 +0200 Message-ID: <7ifubql6o5.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: RFC Errata System Cc: markus.stenberg@iki.fi, cyrus@openwrt.org, pierre.pfister@darou.fr, suresh.krishnan@gmail.com, terry.manderson@icann.org, bs7652@att.com, ray@bellis.me.uk, stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie, homenet@ietf.org, denis@ovsienko.info In-Reply-To: <20170913193437.D9BD8B8106E@rfc-editor.org> References: <20170913193437.D9BD8B8106E@rfc-editor.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:50:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:50:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 59B98BFF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [homenet] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7788 (5113) X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:50:57 -0000 Confirmed, this is consistent with both known implementations of HNCP, as well as with the tcpdump parser. This was also confirmed by Markus Stenberg in a mail dated 9 June 2016 to myself and the former Homenet chairs. Message-Id: <0AACDE36-6A89-471E-8EEA-B6A90197BC4E@iki.fi> -- Juliusz From nobody Thu Sep 28 12:35:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF92134832 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2017 12:35:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GR5zZ6Jk2eEI for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2017 12:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x232.google.com (mail-qt0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAE30132D4B for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2017 12:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x232.google.com with SMTP id i50so3153104qtf.0 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2017 12:35:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:message-id:date :to; bh=w5g3C+3yzLdh8LC5KDsqbzxx0xbEZD1XN/MHLci5wvQ=; b=Li4Yp/R+jNJobGPYY2qIBjPd7vadzbkEcr3ukrs/E/exH7qZrHNcXgYkAwuGGyszic 7nKH1SUDITXmL6xNbKLgSkuw8T0m4cZyBBkQyzVPkWe1DA9aZX2zeCVMEOI+jSFG89PZ HQvo2S0gDArql/noNkkxzrj9ZUXRdy96eYynIX81oA5x3haw+2etyfZW1P9SHteYl0L/ ZIrS4P+txXbJbxRZPDHqqlYZwf5dFv/eCepVijdEXcwmrR7wUxl4r1ieSMsXSU37tis3 ky3IAIqYa7dbmIzNMeX8f3itPAPX+vucaJJ96VaSIonwa9y4jxUTeLWs4SgnTJ/m5mUq xAeA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:message-id:date:to; bh=w5g3C+3yzLdh8LC5KDsqbzxx0xbEZD1XN/MHLci5wvQ=; b=CNKG/shg3VST/tALsSUO3Bl/t3FvA3e7a7fIdAcQE2JmEj4GZ130n6jNEBISVAZY0+ PqS3ZZDSrxe4noicLC+g8rOLyqGkoSNIcrN7dJC47kj9PU/cHvccfbfY+CR0LvYs2Gea O3APw5k8veHJ5qqipHb+rDEPwnEMywkv7HgL7JQzkv5KZDuNIK0WFB0j4B7TbyMQPK1I 6mQMgqphkics2xMniCK5K75s679FsK0E4g36SR2/ryum9dVh7lhmRN4m7Qt7hI4B2swl OOgMG0Pwt/zv6Sn/4n7mFW+oGGBOnYdl1AzBM3RF8w313/1AV82uLLgpIIekixIsS7wk vhXg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVceQ48TBgh7h6u5ddnI3W9iB+NnOznvK6NBovXbcPEqR2OwXlp 3nmXl7Up3nC+bWHCV5iUZjAshbn8 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QAwxDaYAWq5HKqy/5RPjHkfmm4MUp9Jqf1W8wcSi1g1SDaouXjERo8Ys7wfGBfNP70ZYHAVPA== X-Received: by 10.237.37.231 with SMTP id y36mr2666141qtc.199.1506627314938; Thu, 28 Sep 2017 12:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from richs-mbp-10337.lan ([64.223.236.142]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p7sm1513171qke.78.2017.09.28.12.35.14 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Sep 2017 12:35:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <3D5292B0-B7B3-44EE-AA5D-FDAB670DCEB1@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 15:35:13 -0400 To: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [homenet] Status of Homenet implementations & Homewrt.org X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 19:35:18 -0000 With the transition of 'home.arpa' to Proposed Standard, this might be a = good time to review the state of Homenet wrt its use by people outside = this list.=20 My interest is that I did some work on the homewrt.org web site back in = December. As the person who "touched it last", I feel somewhat = responsible for its truth. But I haven't followed the discussions on = this list closely (blame my other projects!), so I don't know whether = the descriptions on the site match the current implementations.=20 My questions fall in two parts: 1) Homenet/hncp implementations:=20 - What implementations are available?=20 - Are they being tested and/or updated? - Are they usable by "outsiders" - that is, with simple installs on = common platforms? 2) www.homewrt.org site:=20 - Is the Technical Overview page still correct? = http://homewrt.org/about/overview - Are the various setup instructions still correct? = http://homewrt.org/installation/start - Are there other pages on the site that need updates? The Homewrt.org wiki can be edited by anyone who's a member (and it's = trivial to join). I encourage everyone here to review the site and = update it where needed.=20 Thanks, and best regards, Rich= From nobody Fri Sep 29 06:31:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F370013453E for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 06:31:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UztKeMeTjXSC for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 06:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2A7113304E for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 06:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C1CBE51 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:31:45 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SC1nC9tCbn6t for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:31:44 +0100 (IST) Received: from [10.244.2.100] (95-45-153-252-dynamic.agg2.phb.bdt-fng.eircom.net [95.45.153.252]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B35DBE50 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:31:44 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1506691904; bh=5AYtifX9aAduk6Rb4Wlnur6J3O2mUngZxy3Mapq/5nw=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=wG134g+eW1oJGMsVH08alKAR/bwPOnWJcujpoaXrU92tkr1nonFM9/wuHZwOidQkc fOBUDL0S3PCjEhaBRiO/b/yyfWGkHLbEjRrsfe48aiHnl20FLW50F6GkDYA9Ywr893 hMKhEFN1dtuVROzhRCu98x504vVZC02WFkWEwkXQ= To: "homenet@ietf.org" From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <62d332ce-a7e8-1de2-57c1-365c7aaff514@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:31:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qo3SuX3jtIAsUfcCb6jhaBOKsv029PmV0" Archived-At: Subject: [homenet] early reminder... X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 13:31:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --qo3SuX3jtIAsUfcCb6jhaBOKsv029PmV0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="5hguC4DojBf9Lf4wf5ObGgbiQvXHwtakR"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: "homenet@ietf.org" Message-ID: <62d332ce-a7e8-1de2-57c1-365c7aaff514@cs.tcd.ie> Subject: early reminder... --5hguC4DojBf9Lf4wf5ObGgbiQvXHwtakR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, Just an early heads-up about the draft submission cutoff for IETF-100 - that's not for a month yet [1] but hey - time flies if you let it:-) Also, if folks know already that you'd like some agenda time for a topic that's not already a WG item, now would be a fine time to start a thread on the mailing list. 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