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Thu, 07 Jun 2018 10:09:13 +0200 References: <07356789-b93f-b1a2-21d6-bef704b7c0b0@nostrum.com> To: hr-rt@irtf.org From: Niels ten Oever Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=mail@nielstenoever.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFgpcR0BEACnfvNwTMlN+pyZT0AFYhWqxG3N4AoPIeNfbxLQH7dk8ZL7Ls05xtORfnu9 ovoaRrZpDufkMviUFidNYePbQNdgf63vWVgwpQR7utluwWraetcmZOu6tayJuyBK2b6d2Z23 MJAQxfa2/GMlN3QkvobaoyKtgbc8rOCgNla7WwkgtiVJ89xbAUHXPFpKWZluVRjaFh4p5C5r 7E5OvUiEGLQ5Cn2ir2PGIyIVqjB+hLTyaI6dIGCz2jtL0RATjmsmYUX7UkU/pz8MPPC2BJ5P KU9pdXMRBhAStxcph8vCo2ze9xSi3+1/5A2ULVtvO4s0hZ+exbTfMxMg3H5CCRFEEJXlQEXa Cd0ZHvqcv5xq8n9w/Ccd0CqYWATIwyP8Jlzd+BY3QGTWnWlgoAbs3Guh/pFYhEFNuuAF5Jk1 k5OlNGsRE/LQJmbT5SE7AtLJLbWewcHlEyIH+K6J8uVa4ExLXmRy+eRkFaxjGy3fLlUpy1Ee 1kU7VsQ/TZ8g8ujsMzxqsdB6y0TD/kVlWaDqPL6F+b+pm3lAuCBGWM1YZROTG58R6pD7sNVm i0ift4dIttAsg+2KoShm9A8kQ3tACXZDgNPC0l7VOqnVayjnF0RmjGeiX7PjOcLQCZ9a5wAH 5mrXMaKvfszqAVkP9HSrk1QVZOipF6vEimL43Czy7Rp1aUaUwwARAQABzSVOaWVscyB0ZW4g T2V2ZXIgPG5pZWxzQGFydGljbGUxOS5vcmc+wsGZBBMBCABDAhsjBQkJZgGABwsJCAcDAgEG FQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AWIQQkWAtwXEr9ipSIZDoO2D86RorIswUCWG0tCwIZAQAKCRAO 2D86RorIs3pMD/9W/Tww1uLG0m0jQkBV3TmBOVzS79fVyoj6lEYCNPJigCqOi9wbZSTB2HL6 h4ftSCl4ErGHcIqngRPcNRt7G8/3OoA1h6qRHcqrpS6H4niW1E+rtxIxul+PSsXXZEgDyUSK XXczf4MmRbR6tKGY4hp4KFedSOEL2C0j8htB2um4C8KFyX4gAYMPJoBfZqlrCmXsyLjdjIvN wd7FLLKA6CNVjwYsDgmKiLQm0Np4fz1AW72rnGGktyUT3u0GsbyDmwM6YU80anh647Pc7cyo ie6c21Ajcph1k7BjHAB/EopQzoQVporHFrCNqhpgVXihhlVDGdOD1JSHCgWO4toflJAT6+kP 3uOXeHv6AoLcXKnY/8QWFjwoj9DYtpw4bSsiP++sF3Dg0xaaivvOzU5+IBoSxNTnqj0M7/Fk jergVF60QdwMGukFZDMSjFnX/gvFPbxy4JebvrfzSY5ZJxLjrlswSeVkWTU1DvtfJxJHKTPQ 9dnodrSN3vynJS+u+wRbzQLdSLBgSgGbUVVHu2dyJhXGPwoh/2Gu4gFilV6+dBhcwHwuxlsd 0pdnTdq4wJodT1rDZRgP3QjR+miyFqjahUDMTJlf4BRq6CiWiHb5UfvQvUsPtMLfQafqYCEy 98b4RHnbckPXa+pXRTYz3z9CBuiJTQWTT0CIBVLhyzqQjYrFTM7BTQRYKXEdARAAxYOE3/AF mEfQ0SVVFujYFhZKX+BGXolYytC2a1soZogVYTIIlypxkRtN+ljteFAY3xX/El7cx5Fxj+uX vLKAm9xQRI/DCug7/NGULMk9bDK5bzSGw817cyiL5Kb+0RkWj2Y5ArOAK6XPGBZWZTHwyIaw sSCN9AhDXZQWVRqkR1QXcq3IYKl+OHWMO7+1VfixCSakNf7T/Kiq46rQEPW8Eghk6CVOBR8x UCBbyk5aRW4VSGO6pUD3H21ur+5fTLsVyan1NHhxNNiXfnEJKr+JI5dXSkj7WqA5n8ITaNdF SAttkdT56wAQpxE2h8zaOmBaFUWQ4D8SdXDVymP5QMtLG+ItMMiNV6kXgsRFugAKM5yZtPP9 gIX+ic8QO5iuct37bRXJU/rmrH54Ab0kyAeeRE7oSsfTZPKvgtUh7VLAUEw/wy6TORJHE8JM aX0yYT6h4PGRS3mNM4bka8hjdfcrexI0zSqFOl2I22zQlG3YqSzIvVh98W67hxfAIaCVaTfJ LFPEru3drxNwi6ogdkRmcLGKqqTgeYItrvITyFvzqbrcO2exp0KKEK3cDIZypqHHUf4+uPlD tuExehLsNOMpjP8qhZpFtyLeDS07qunbvstcyvR30wOJ3DyAbHGzq739UyDcO9Jt5jwODyVw k3MK5Em4pJ0+IAJx+F6gta0Bk2MAEQEAAcLBZQQYAQgADwUCWClxHQIbDAUJCWYBgAAKCRAO 2D86RorIs0ykD/4t151SZG9MbeKRVKbs9Ecjady9bO0L3oBos4rhqY12ha8smFlsUzvbgB4C tkBuXQlq+plOBWv+rFEThOzy3bezgEDjlxycoO1W2wJD6E7Fo9fkHT6UOm9fQBkuKRqK83OG nfM02qP1Ky8d7EoZz+nTSMf/DJgWw1YRKrXkMHBwKD83lCENsmePWE5AjMqk8cojPv9Oy1wW y6fHjwx3r+wQSokBNfxgQyAFonmgBbhlic/pZUYRSIcldyUlaomrjFfr4egzmNE7aWDvLwOU YKevBIeJJcqTyfAn3TtJbPCEHOC2+lP6EcmPFyhQdiia+RqOClumqbWOPeQ2VM8j7NWvKKmB NBB5OJ/rmHogbNU+wWPJ723qMBoOp1jIwFNkQhx01W6v55VMwLr+IuBKY1ggJ2BhwQiGpWv4 tMc5oB/qVh3my1VO65ErcJ3S9blpwJdDj5/YDOU7BKEmpRUP+xkaryNzH2x7FzrOOHzJBX6j eYZabGvnTicQlBAzfGpblFqV3YN6EhCF2AHmGLTZ/DrjGYToIsW8cXlEMqN4u8ODEUY0Ohbn ytnopKJKk99bwMoCqDkfQvT3LKDWtZj9NzFndfuoKXsVpwAitrG0mau0/16DKDyVWdtJ9DYm tE40zO6g70VVxUj+dKt2hbJTy/KQTb7Ijhw7wZrGp/P7nhbVyA== X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <07356789-b93f-b1a2-21d6-bef704b7c0b0@nostrum.com> Message-ID: <63882777-11ba-644d-3e09-c5e24b5278ba@nielstenoever.net> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:09:11 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <07356789-b93f-b1a2-21d6-bef704b7c0b0@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-As-Hash: f1842a279235a42f6aa2a2a81130733515c5a4ec X-Virus-Scanned: by clamav at smarthost1.samage.net X-Scan-Signature: bbdeaaa4d227adae8d620e69c05793d6 Archived-At: Subject: [HT-rt] Fwd: [I18nrp] Additional input needed for i18nRP BOF X-BeenThere: hr-rt@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Human Rights Protocol Considerations Review Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 08:09:23 -0000 Hi all, The discussion on i18n I think is relevant for this list, but the description below is also interesting vis a vis the overview of the working methods of other review teams. Beatrice and I are working on a interactive model for doing a HR review of QUIC - stay tuned - more info coming soon. Best, Niels -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [I18nrp] Additional input needed for i18nRP BOF Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 17:11:13 -0500 From: Adam Roach To: Peter Saint-Andre , John C Klensin , i18nrp@ietf.org On 6/6/18 4:19 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 6/6/18 3:06 PM, Adam Roach wrote: >> I trust that you will attempt to >> provide these additional details? > Adam, what are the IESG's requirements and expectations regarding > creation of a new directorate? Is it expected, for instance, that a > charter of some kind will need to be provided and approved? Guidance > would be helpful. With the caveat that I may have overlooked some bit of formal process... In the general case, the creation of a new directorate simply requires convincing an area director that such directorate would serve a useful purpose. While directorates don't have charters per se, as a practical matter, they need to have a reasonably complete description of their purpose and role. I'll note that directorates have a broad range of formality and document coverage associated with them: on one end, SECDIR and GENART have active secretaries who assign every document during IETF last call to a volunteer from a large pool of specialists (SECDIR) or generalists (GENART). On the other end, the SDPDIR has a relatively small pool of self-directed experts that authors, chairs and area directors can reach out to for advice and review. The SDPDIR does not proactively review documents. In the specific case of establishing an i18n review directorate: based on the comments made so far, I think we would want a carefully defined process (possibly documented in an RFC, but perhaps just part of the directorate description) that described what role the directorate would play in the development and publication of specifications. We would also need a plausible group of volunteers to execute that process. For example, if the proposed process were to review every document, in the style of SECDIR and GENART, I'd want to see a group of i18n expert volunteers (or volunteers who are willing and able to educate themselves into being experts) of roughly the same size as those directorates. For reference, the SECDIR has 64 members, and GENART has 27. By contrast, if the role were to provide feedback only as requested, it could be similar in size to the SDPDIR, which has seven members. In practice, I suspect the process the interested parties might reasonably settle upon would be somewhere in between, with someone (possibly a rotating duty) providing light triage on documents during IETF last call for the purposes of identifying which have an intersection with i18n, and a pool of dedicated reviewers to whom documents that do are assigned. The number of people such activity would require to succeed is, of course, a judgement call, but based on the size and function of existing directorates, I think we can safely say that it is significantly more than seven, and somewhat less than 27. /a _______________________________________________ i18nRP mailing list i18nRP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i18nrp From nobody Tue Jun 12 09:53:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hr-rt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hr-rt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48262130F32 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 09:53:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.608 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.608 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=beatricemartini-it.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nnwF76wmWTO3 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 09:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E25B130F33 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 09:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id u4-v6so207986itg.0 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 09:53:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=beatricemartini-it.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=sLni3RT+vqat++4TrmXoY1rXrQh5AgNqCHnG5Bpyhj4=; b=MZ9Q0eU1EEPqUPIkb+vnEDjnvPBP9uCllxSYfHFN03ck1EMyonrkBvkQLmWwSqXvJW rA/pNv+vJrAl06WNEPJ1IfbVyGE7Q9mrtIoRPlI2VJYVZvcWQOJCY0L9b9gNNp2ICATi 5JWVW5WFqYlx9g4WqFj+nePzwBm92um29xpuhWr5LgtUoNZS/4R7PgSgZYOK6w6789V8 KotccGJYEjePo6SyktWPegppS9pFkDy+/L2b9921FXBCl3jy3u640GVpXdxDLzEhCBwJ Zz80GLKfFLCGtIhuQv28RzJg7Va5BWBpoMJ/H1K9h5mrT3R3ULdOoPC6mOmpHzMNhgOL rNSQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=sLni3RT+vqat++4TrmXoY1rXrQh5AgNqCHnG5Bpyhj4=; b=Na9Yk3cR1iSnKZFV0WjgaqMZPvod0DiOSuwsDAzbWABE+jLqNhqWcxp8kGUTYnsi7c sVW9BcFez2RfZ66HLjDh7xT0/dHQdsUVvbwTqSaLWJCYBVRXJM5aoKdq48uLSu4kzpVO 5TKNvEYLxTuj5i8rT9ZY1F95rC+9HCCQnNrgCxrmVxujp47PhQ8ZwSDf6fZYoHlv8VEu N4WtWOV2BAsLOv4aD4MuRQwmv+kM3zOZyxz7JiD1scbdbwm9/kVF+fGUVMo1z3elrmC8 AbFBBHlUi5MtHhGp32qYDITcKk3GEkoMFtxEqhj6NwHKBdaLqqRe1uoL49nSs/v3TPrJ 9PGA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E18PVBMbtq/TMN2G/qd4ydIKYLe3wgthrL7+cNNq89FmrCY+E/L gaFJjJYuqJf+tXKVhBwlE/xumKiI+4P/kUxMnVGrSlyVj0I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKLusKztbqmX66VTED1o5CUBD2WkRFXlwZeHM4ntw5hCWAlukR4jFjzkAehlsDO8bCVbi99sctvsS6rOVnw02JI= X-Received: by 2002:a24:2555:: with SMTP id g82-v6mr1231728itg.108.1528822419370; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 09:53:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:5582:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 09:53:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Beatrice Martini Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 18:53:38 +0200 Message-ID: To: hr-rt@irtf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003b4c84056e74b542" Archived-At: Subject: [HT-rt] QUIC Human Rights Review: Update X-BeenThere: hr-rt@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Human Rights Protocol Considerations Review Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 16:53:46 -0000 --0000000000003b4c84056e74b542 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, As mentioned by Niels a few days ago on the list, we are working on the Human Rights Review of a few QUIC drafts. So today we thought we would share a brief update about our progress with you. Our current focus for the QUIC Human Rights Review is on the following drafts: * draft-ietf-quic-transport-12 * draft-ietf-quic-tls-12 * draft-ietf-quic-invariants-01 The next step will be to interview a few contributors to the drafts and discuss their analysis of what potential impacts on human rights they might have. We will use this input to create a review which we will share with you and the QUIC-mailinglist. We are also playing with the idea of writing a blog post about this. The ideal outcomes of this process would be: * Improved relevance and quality of draft-ietf-quic-transport-12, draft-ietf-quic-tls-12, draft-ietf-quic-invariants-01 * Increased experience with other methods for doing Human Rights Reviews * Mainstreaming Human Rights Reviews in the IETF We already started to invite some QUIC draft contributors to meet with us, and their response to our research proposal has been very positive and collaborative. We will conduct the interviews during the IETF Hackathon (July 14-15), and are currently in the process to structure and schedule them. Please let us know if you have any question about the research, or feedback you would like to share. We will keep you updated. Thank you! Best, Beatrice -- Beatrice Martini Twitter / Blog / Newsletter --0000000000003b4c84056e74b542 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

As mentioned by Niels a few days ago on the = list, we are working on the Human Rights Review of a few QUIC drafts.
So today we thought we would share a brief update about our progress with= you.

Our current focus for the QUIC Human Rights Review is on the f= ollowing drafts:

* draft-ietf-quic-transport-12
* draft-ietf-quic= -tls-12
* draft-ietf-quic-invariants-01

The next step will be to = interview a few contributors to the drafts and discuss their analysis of wh= at potential impacts on human rights they might have.

We will use th= is input to create a review which we will share with you and the QUIC-maili= nglist. We are also playing with the idea of writing a blog post about this= .

The ideal outcomes of this process would be:

* Improved re= levance and quality of draft-ietf-quic-transport-12, draft-ietf-quic-tls-12= , draft-ietf-quic-invariants-01

* Increased experience with other me= thods for doing Human Rights Reviews

* Mainstreaming Human Rights Re= views in the IETF

We already started to invite some QUIC draft contr= ibutors to meet with us, and their response to our research proposal has be= en very positive and collaborative.

We will conduct the interviews d= uring the IETF Hackathon (July 14-15), and are currently in the process to = structure and schedule them.

Please let us know if you have any ques= tion about the research, or feedback you would like to share.

We wil= l keep you updated.

Thank you!

Best,
Beatrice

--
Beatrice Martini
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