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RFC 7725 Title: An HTTP Status Code to Report Legal Obstacles Author: T. Bray Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: February 2016 Mailbox: tbray@textuality.com Pages: 5 Characters: 9309 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-httpbis-legally-restricted-status-04.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7725 DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.17487/RFC7725 This document specifies a Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) status code for use when resource access is denied as a consequence of legal demands. This document is a product of the Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the Official Internet Protocol Standards (https://www.rfc-editor.org/standards) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW-- From nobody Wed Mar 2 12:19:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7938B1B2F22 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 12:19:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.092 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.092 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LYj3RM2zD0WQ for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 12:19:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from smarthost1.greenhost.nl (smarthost1.greenhost.nl [195.190.28.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 015691B2F1A for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 12:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.greenhost.nl ([213.108.104.138]) by smarthost1.greenhost.nl with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1abDEZ-0006XJ-JV; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 21:19:05 +0100 To: Niels ten Oever , "hrpc@irtf.org" References: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> From: Pranesh Prakash Organization: Centre for Internet and Society Message-ID: <56D74AB1.7060306@cis-india.org> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 01:48:57 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17SPNDO7OkmUxMQLug5FfaPvVmWTlI4gR" X-Virus-Scanned: by clamav at smarthost1.samage.net X-Scan-Signature: 12808661ad9e64cdb46d03b2a0987e23 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft human rights considerations X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2016 20:19:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --17SPNDO7OkmUxMQLug5FfaPvVmWTlI4gR Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tD48RRkfN6XmeReCU9advRx6bsRqNWfoJ" From: Pranesh Prakash To: Niels ten Oever , "hrpc@irtf.org" Message-ID: <56D74AB1.7060306@cis-india.org> Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft human rights considerations References: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> In-Reply-To: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> --tD48RRkfN6XmeReCU9advRx6bsRqNWfoJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Niels and all, Niels ten Oever [Tue Feb 09 2016 21:28:05 GMT+0530 (IST)]: > Dear all, > > I hope this email finds you well. Corinne and I added a substantial > amount of text to the methodology draft, which we just made available > for you here: > On what basis have the 'technical terms' in section 4.4 / the HRPC=20 glossary been arrived at? (I'm curious, for instance, why free software=20 doesn't find any mention there.) I'm sorry I haven't been following the discussions here that very long,=20 and so this may have already been discussed. If so, could someone please = point me to the thread(s) where this has been discussed? Further, could someone explain to me the basis for this: ( Anonymity ) ( Privacy ) =3D Right to be presumed innocent ( Security ) How is the right to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise linked=20 to anonymity, "privacy", or "security" as defined in the HRPC glossary? The right to be presumed innocent exists even after you've been=20 identified (de-anonymised), even after information related to your is=20 available to the public/prosecution (so is no longer within your power=20 to control), and even after any security has been breached. Similarly, I have a number of questions on the mapping (e.g., why=20 accessibility is part of "Right to political participation" but not=20 "Right to participate in cultural life, arts and science", etc.). What=20 is the best manner to have this discussion? Thanks. Regards, Pranesh --=20 Pranesh Prakash Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society http://cis-india.org | tel:+91 80 40926283 sip:pranesh@ostel.co | xmpp:pranesh@cis-india.org https://twitter.com/pranesh --tD48RRkfN6XmeReCU9advRx6bsRqNWfoJ-- --17SPNDO7OkmUxMQLug5FfaPvVmWTlI4gR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJW10qxAAoJEE0qlBAVWSN1uEEP/0U3j/XAxRsWO5mmKtho1e0B pmlYNu9uyAUAn0PyEWi40bYV8scd1GcRa3wCTsrX3Vblj8mXIAUFV70H1OP6p4E4 KfHp6/dO7TCpMjBfIQxZQ2MBgvpX2xjmoB8w5v8J4V86kMBprWoLy6a42i6o4VWM dlI52E7i5R+QjYihNI+W2Iu5EZr+x++ELEzBgNJ3owuTBLSnjpFio8YzFwWUXt7f /dxyDiX5igwKI6RWdtd4TaQYu/LmNDFRoC6wn0e+Fcuz6OTSGUyzXIiUD3LXeI6e 7I6hE0NSVym9vFgf8avZVOkqMekNaR0zA38GS1D+kOI+bOz67VHa0SwBD387rfEs GmXMpiw7A9A8zfes69rN8hdG/4pbNJYuL3oY0KVhko7vGkqa1V7dqjdQ/3aAxoQ+ EXp6c/n9qdd92pvhf9a6SVvIAA1W4qrg5rDCllvoHBLs8sIA+/EIdXgibkYMI1Ae z2/GWgeeF6nUNlZ3JOZw3NjKa1l6VzXfzjv2sYdMF/d5caxd9RM3+k1U38uHCr0J Gz9xNY0YdsuJ5YE9rjqabWLM3d34eoDICUNZGr5t0JmrsUSFFxdNncNjubuIXHYj 0XFaJszpSjqZvt2ba0duHlyvpbGjlDgYTqC6BPVIi9r49iXzgZ2ie7jpzymcLF9u 0/zEJUGN8m9CWo5iiaML =qu70 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17SPNDO7OkmUxMQLug5FfaPvVmWTlI4gR-- From nobody Wed Mar 2 13:24:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA051B3159 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 13:24:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.036 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.036 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TADNsFAMEdB9 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 13:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from atl4mhob09.myregisteredsite.com (atl4mhob09.myregisteredsite.com [209.17.115.47]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107181B3157 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 13:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.204]) by atl4mhob09.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u22LO9an017322 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 16:24:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 23192 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2016 21:24:09 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 107.19.188.192 X-Authenticated-UID: avri@ella.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (avri@ella.com@107.19.188.192) by 0 with ESMTPA; 2 Mar 2016 21:24:09 -0000 References: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> <56D74AB1.7060306@cis-india.org> To: hrpc@irtf.org From: Avri Doria Organization: Technicalities Message-ID: <56D759F9.5010804@acm.org> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 16:24:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56D74AB1.7060306@cis-india.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="efV9b9GlxgQ71JfMummU3nQnWADd7gQro" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 160302-0, 03/02/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft human rights considerations X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: avri@acm.org List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2016 21:24:12 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --efV9b9GlxgQ71JfMummU3nQnWADd7gQro Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="cxovRLs8GvGGhHQ31I7SeAGHvgqXRdqgm" From: Avri Doria Reply-To: avri@acm.org To: hrpc@irtf.org Message-ID: <56D759F9.5010804@acm.org> Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft human rights considerations References: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> <56D74AB1.7060306@cis-india.org> In-Reply-To: <56D74AB1.7060306@cis-india.org> --cxovRLs8GvGGhHQ31I7SeAGHvgqXRdqgm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Thanks for bringing up these questions. You make good points I think need to be considered in the definitions. I think having the discussions on this list on any of the definitions is a good idea. This is the right place. If there are many though, it might be good to start an email thread for each just so it is easier to track. thanks avri On 02-Mar-16 15:18, Pranesh Prakash wrote: > Dear Niels and all, > > Niels ten Oever [Tue Feb 09 2016 21:28:05 GMT+053= 0 > (IST)]: >> Dear all, >> >> I hope this email finds you well. Corinne and I added a substantial >> amount of text to the methodology draft, which we just made available >> for you here: >> > > On what basis have the 'technical terms' in section 4.4 / the HRPC > glossary been arrived at? (I'm curious, for instance, why free > software doesn't find any mention there.) > > I'm sorry I haven't been following the discussions here that very > long, and so this may have already been discussed. If so, could > someone please point me to the thread(s) where this has been discussed?= > > Further, could someone explain to me the basis for this: > > ( Anonymity ) > ( Privacy ) =3D Right to be presumed innocent > ( Security ) > > How is the right to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise linked > to anonymity, "privacy", or "security" as defined in the HRPC glossary?= > > The right to be presumed innocent exists even after you've been > identified (de-anonymised), even after information related to your is > available to the public/prosecution (so is no longer within your power > to control), and even after any security has been breached. > > Similarly, I have a number of questions on the mapping (e.g., why > accessibility is part of "Right to political participation" but not > "Right to participate in cultural life, arts and science", etc.).=20 > What is the best manner to have this discussion? > > Thanks. > > Regards, > Pranesh > > > > _______________________________________________ > hrpc mailing list > hrpc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc --cxovRLs8GvGGhHQ31I7SeAGHvgqXRdqgm-- --efV9b9GlxgQ71JfMummU3nQnWADd7gQro Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJW11n5AAoJEOo+L8tCe36HYdMIALL8Fbm2ymaRy134KwFNiQH7 KHtseZDGFLiDr+m77Hi8ZXkzRY+/udgIhnS14B3GipBxnpOvKfvq0afq4C8mLcHn JP4zrjLmCyaiV1fF1PSWuPFuNvtPeb8QF0qZifXuj4R6EFBCjpcfXWQf+pFPDQyz /6GMFyWSVQEFCtLAnnj4/6+9m21CelAvmk3IvXTsPFYQzoS4P06jJH4Qo2I6kNvt dI7AF9K3idx4PYcY6L2hZrWl7Zmr4CIOnpcI12OC6H2kn9u1ksCvEl34m1l8ZPBy zBiBl1cUpQZ519C31Cmnm5sxj9DLqfwEmSestFnKwkehc6X7UakeXRzAZxnZEVI= =QIQS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --efV9b9GlxgQ71JfMummU3nQnWADd7gQro-- From nobody Wed Mar 2 15:00:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC361B33AB for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 15:00:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.124 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.124 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xz-IesmU9cFa for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 15:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.article19.io (vps784.greenhost.nl [213.108.108.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B16F1B33A4 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 15:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.article19.io (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1A6D124039; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 23:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FF81436E; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 23:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.article19.io ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.article19.io [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 1XvF0uE2mM4w; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 23:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.67] (sd5112335.adsl.online.nl [213.17.35.53]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 55BA3124039; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 23:00:14 +0000 (UTC) To: Pranesh Prakash , "hrpc@irtf.org" References: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> <56D74AB1.7060306@cis-india.org> From: Niels ten Oever X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56D7707C.7020506@article19.org> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 00:00:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56D74AB1.7060306@cis-india.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qfiB067QEX0FQQtplQeVCPHITCG6t8dhP" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft human rights considerations X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2016 23:00:18 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --qfiB067QEX0FQQtplQeVCPHITCG6t8dhP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pranesh, Response inline: On 03/02/2016 09:18 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: > Dear Niels and all, >=20 > Niels ten Oever [Tue Feb 09 2016 21:28:05 GMT+053= 0 > (IST)]: >> Dear all, >> >> I hope this email finds you well. Corinne and I added a substantial >> amount of text to the methodology draft, which we just made available >> for you here: >> >=20 > On what basis have the 'technical terms' in section 4.4 / the HRPC > glossary been arrived at? (I'm curious, for instance, why free software= > doesn't find any mention there.) >=20 Free software is very important, but software is not necessarily part of protocols, and that is the level for which we're developing considerations here. > I'm sorry I haven't been following the discussions here that very long,= > and so this may have already been discussed. If so, could someone pleas= e > point me to the thread(s) where this has been discussed? >=20 Happy to discuss it here :) > Further, could someone explain to me the basis for this: >=20 > ( Anonymity ) > ( Privacy ) =3D Right to be presumed innocent > ( Security ) >=20 > How is the right to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise linked > to anonymity, "privacy", or "security" as defined in the HRPC glossary?= >=20 Because anonymity, privacy and security allow for an enableing environment for the right to be presumed innocent. > The right to be presumed innocent exists even after you've been > identified (de-anonymised), even after information related to your is > available to the public/prosecution (so is no longer within your power > to control), and even after any security has been breached. True, but having privacy, anonymity and security is conducive for excercising that right. >=20 > Similarly, I have a number of questions on the mapping (e.g., why > accessibility is part of "Right to political participation" but not > "Right to participate in cultural life, arts and science", etc.). What= > is the best manner to have this discussion? Any format is fine with me as long as it works for you! >=20 > Thanks. Cheers, Niels >=20 > Regards, > Pranesh >=20 --qfiB067QEX0FQQtplQeVCPHITCG6t8dhP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJW13B9AAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpxqIH/jcU6HUlSiT8s0Erf6uPZEOo zNdoGkBwrGJ1E5wCg4Fpzjhvl/oGefB9+lSJ0MHa0pHwdOxy0Pr+An+grX8nsorb rMMrr7vD0mJDN+D68XZEI9p1j+4GLaTQg8oTO85Mbz7sYtG3dd8JM/SgWgL5jmZd 4nNy+c22+/200qNVTXwZowF7so4Q+g1RYNUL3hhdPwyKNvi/fKeG8Tig16w+Ag46 UY+dR0ZsJ5BOVVvDWNK2PVjaT0LpYVcTlr6yXr5K5ogUbCeJVkJYl/kRdALr+kP2 FJGahwCeCH/P6yeCiRACdU/DFEtT5jnnMY8Kl1cjCpZafNyHGE5yjYetND2+blo= =NE8m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qfiB067QEX0FQQtplQeVCPHITCG6t8dhP-- From nobody Thu Mar 3 12:58:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C241A8876 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 12:58:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ze6HdRp67XOP for ; 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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bzs@theworld.com [2016-03-03 15:56:05 -0500]: > > On 03/02/2016 09:18 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: >> How is the right to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise linked= >> to anonymity, "privacy", or "security" as defined in the HRPC glossary= ?=3D > > A presumption of innocence underlies protections against unreasonable > searches and seizures which I hope connects those dots. Not really. A 'presumption of innocence' isn't a presumption applicable to all=20 persons, but to accused persons during a criminal trial. Article 11 of the UDHR states: (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed=20 innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which = he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any=20 act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national = or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a=20 heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time=20 the penal offence was committed. So, it isn't presumption of innocence that protects persons against=20 unreasonable searches and seizures. --=20 Pranesh Prakash Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society http://cis-india.org | tel:+91 80 40926283 sip:pranesh@ostel.co | xmpp:pranesh@cis-india.org https://twitter.com/pranesh --pcfG2vm2PW9iN5B7pPq2Lfkt8RNFS8Fnx-- --qsCHL6LdAmUSUKccb4E3qK3oDlxrAr3EK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJW2SAoAAoJEE0qlBAVWSN1sosP/3YsRvtN/R+9+0vKaVD0ULEO PCHCRB+68sCICUMAQ+PVImEwVLpdEyAnnyDdjNEEvDvLSwJebSEGpE6LYKBNDiqu g6o9gTo3lTV4PaKhEfZ8DSL4NlaC229nJFa3Z5kJIyaUpIEem1Tdi9poYqquvL7p VVXkYEZTd7QzAiqx1qbZVFsDM2S2Z0ZetmX5Ak+pkkVk+qWCs8xKnGxv42oRHx3s V6jlkb4BRLV4YM1uZcstYb20hBhj0C63844eKdfLvVKfG4LpZIinftDagIiyDWcA KyrZo6IYFFrDE5o7vYuRfEcUUfKTdmkjTMXHMl2gC7EuZKzyqjo4uvwstUDVahH+ iyGI1uyoL+opWcBU3u4REZCIcrZkWi/O50ddvBDrCUy7isWCuDW0P51e3XpiDHN2 eJstVLuGJ0pj+1GVEy07ufMEM7F2elGksPUw0+U+pPF0/sGeyvdn75X1U3dI+eLl b7TwcGM9CuLGfaKHHTMwAARayLUfMnukTYqfdhhPnjaCAMkEh7UHbNsBkTCOntEB H+GoiN4tfOYKANyaVVrtT8atKnVyyWM+ujxVa5dEW3CwiGC0aL3sw0MhsIK96d68 rwlmRtHBp4jymmw5G66zUNztRzGij1xFHueE4UYn5eLyGdhTaQV5NaJiKpqwTzlx 3vNOwi2d4jmZJIjF5aUG =6fdm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qsCHL6LdAmUSUKccb4E3qK3oDlxrAr3EK-- From nobody Thu Mar 3 21:47:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40051B2ABB for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 21:47:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.193 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.193 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VRUX1g-hspje for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 21:47:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from smarthost1.greenhost.nl (smarthost1.greenhost.nl [195.190.28.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97D001B2ABF for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 21:47:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.greenhost.nl ([213.108.104.138]) by smarthost1.greenhost.nl with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1abiaS-0006g2-RA; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 06:47:46 +0100 To: bzs@theworld.com, Niels ten Oever References: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> <56D74AB1.7060306@cis-india.org> <56D7707C.7020506@article19.org> <22232.42213.752725.338076@pcls8.std.com> From: Pranesh Prakash Organization: Centre for Internet and Society Message-ID: <56D9217A.4090009@cis-india.org> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 11:17:38 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <22232.42213.752725.338076@pcls8.std.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7W1wQF0ktUbWriWnpnemaaAA2eBCbq0S3" X-Virus-Scanned: by clamav at smarthost1.samage.net X-Scan-Signature: 4868b52b90b9144be14ceb212c82ef23 Archived-At: Cc: "hrpc@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft human rights considerations X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2016 05:47:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --7W1wQF0ktUbWriWnpnemaaAA2eBCbq0S3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="vXTmd3gMOrIsLXFAGk7rEQkmQ7O9Klji3" From: Pranesh Prakash To: bzs@theworld.com, Niels ten Oever Cc: "hrpc@irtf.org" Message-ID: <56D9217A.4090009@cis-india.org> Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft human rights considerations References: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> <56D74AB1.7060306@cis-india.org> <56D7707C.7020506@article19.org> <22232.42213.752725.338076@pcls8.std.com> In-Reply-To: <22232.42213.752725.338076@pcls8.std.com> --vXTmd3gMOrIsLXFAGk7rEQkmQ7O9Klji3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bzs@theworld.com [2016-03-03 15:56:05 -0500]: > > On 03/02/2016 09:18 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: >> How is the right to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise linked= >> to anonymity, "privacy", or "security" as defined in the HRPC glossary= ?=3D > > A presumption of innocence underlies protections against unreasonable > searches and seizures which I hope connects those dots. The US "4th Amendment" protects against unreasonable searches and=20 seizures while presumption of innocence derives from other provisions.=20 Per Wikipedia: "Although the Constitution of the United States does not=20 cite it explicitly, presumption of innocence is widely held to follow=20 from the 5th, 6th, and 14th amendments. See also Coffin v. United States = and In re Winship." Given that criminal trials don't happen over networks, I'm not sure=20 there can be a neat mapping of that right to network terms. --=20 Pranesh Prakash Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society http://cis-india.org | tel:+91 80 40926283 sip:pranesh@ostel.co | xmpp:pranesh@cis-india.org https://twitter.com/pranesh --vXTmd3gMOrIsLXFAGk7rEQkmQ7O9Klji3-- --7W1wQF0ktUbWriWnpnemaaAA2eBCbq0S3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJW2SF6AAoJEE0qlBAVWSN19vQP/3KxmEgWRJlDHYbuHFxJxF1O vmr6/ssvidocqjVI+nwmdvepPaXI63XBpt1R1RL/OIhWExJQOd7CIuQo+a4F6P7f 3EkAtCkBCQUhPjrIQ23xOmwb6kpThXK8kK0h7VZAt7SKtYFqZAbjmdjH53Gml8RG BI85x5o1WW5Rqm8NL2I8Z7Nax5UozKjhPT2DX+O9xmq1TFd/Rl6qhvDbXC+kMrB4 MhpwIi5+OhnrRJHjeGdIUWbz2lvg9/9t6XGYgNOjzKV5p6jcgdfajP/rRWkoeFoC BVDy1P65lIM0l2R6XEEskZhslXI22EQOvH5FA1zN3EbStQ3khcEjLZrmQcIMgwhu laSGvCPFlZXFXdzVT2dAHIIx3aXWHxUBAjAmi+qa/Wk11h8CfarWT6Cq9+SQsGWo sr6O50IJnUFGqG3y2mcjBkwijcC7J4rdsxJcG3yd9JLpnAToj+CWVIKqr6Lhn72H rOg9SGYz8uAXoKc52aATRXdQaCJImO4c+tNDB7YnlZGyUFP4Yrc91AtFMds0IVyQ ND4/UP9oNIe26uMknbKw2ZuZQWjicjNTO79l0tdh+Dc0KBHcFr3J5cwwX/ZtCxQb 0pRakk+VvxsgPiAKgr5Wb2HLsLHKDe/qQ6tCvKKKG2+x5WtzJyXFN7KSD4b9tbsQ HN0wj6pI5XgzqZH1aoVQ =gasR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7W1wQF0ktUbWriWnpnemaaAA2eBCbq0S3-- From nobody Fri Mar 4 03:11:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202941B36A1 for ; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/03/2016 09:41 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: > bzs@theworld.com [2016-03-03 15:56:05 -0500]: >> >> On 03/02/2016 09:18 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: >>> How is the right to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise linke= d >>> to anonymity, "privacy", or "security" as defined in the HRPC glossar= y?=3D >> >> A presumption of innocence underlies protections against unreasonable >> searches and seizures which I hope connects those dots. >=20 > Not really. >=20 > A 'presumption of innocence' isn't a presumption applicable to all > persons, but to accused persons during a criminal trial. >=20 > Article 11 of the UDHR states: > (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be > presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public tria= l > at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. > (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of > any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under > national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor > shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at > the time the penal offence was committed. >=20 > So, it isn't presumption of innocence that protects persons against > unreasonable searches and seizures. >=20 I have to kindly disagree with you here Pranesh. In times of predictive policing, mass surveillance, data retention and algorithmic decision making I do think that the notion of presumption of innocence is not something that is only exercised in court, but is also applicable to policing practices. In extension one could also easily argue that the aforementioned technical concepts enables people to not contribute to providing evidence against themselves. Best, Niels --OM7DekWS5sQd5tlJj14AjkqMbBioAmR4o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJW2W1qAAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpWBkH/0O2luD8iIfmMkCVTlqj3I+C AFsbzS4d9G7Fv8YEpALRAVmezlGwaSZATdlioYjlsGWUjjkz6+Ra22Jgcw1Bs3KR PZWPSAW50DFfLmiEChueF2Xse8SMtnujDbIa6nnTYl3czyreJtVXA5B4KXNjE7/B whbLCxwJdc7OPZRBtfZVQ8VHtNVTr4k7D9ov9fvKhl6dumf6qlxNRQIE9yHcbgOF lvIzYd0V+wLD7ZwqJsrw7XGIjNeQ2kPlVGl9CJqlbwilGf6Q9Zk4XlVUvg+aw1Sy kZ3oR0WdCqVAj00fwkt9IUsl7ifVgzBJdmliv9TuoN8cFMvgJ/VgAFQkOoPrZhI= =/aC7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OM7DekWS5sQd5tlJj14AjkqMbBioAmR4o-- From nobody Fri Mar 4 05:47:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27BD1A00D4 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 05:47:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.893 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.893 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ijoIvnAAorJw for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 05:47:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from smarthost1.greenhost.nl (smarthost1.greenhost.nl [195.190.28.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 096CE1A00DA for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 05:47:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.greenhost.nl ([213.108.104.138]) by smarthost1.greenhost.nl with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1abq4r-0005Ig-A7; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 14:47:38 +0100 To: Niels ten Oever , bzs@theworld.com References: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> <56D74AB1.7060306@cis-india.org> <56D7707C.7020506@article19.org> <22232.42213.752725.338076@pcls8.std.com> <56D92023.1060408@cis-india.org> <56D96D6A.2090404@article19.org> From: Pranesh Prakash Organization: Centre for Internet and Society Message-ID: <56D991E8.6070509@cis-india.org> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 19:17:20 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56D96D6A.2090404@article19.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LaOI6Q4KBDGAwlMogmmoaXsQeBHv2T4K4" X-Virus-Scanned: by clamav at smarthost1.samage.net X-Scan-Signature: 049f1f45ba4289533fd3e2bb72fd36da Archived-At: Cc: "hrpc@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft human rights considerations X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2016 13:47:42 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --LaOI6Q4KBDGAwlMogmmoaXsQeBHv2T4K4 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="OGK5RtNDGU75HviRbpsuBjFb9L50gEOa7" From: Pranesh Prakash To: Niels ten Oever , bzs@theworld.com Cc: "hrpc@irtf.org" Message-ID: <56D991E8.6070509@cis-india.org> Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft human rights considerations References: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> <56D74AB1.7060306@cis-india.org> <56D7707C.7020506@article19.org> <22232.42213.752725.338076@pcls8.std.com> <56D92023.1060408@cis-india.org> <56D96D6A.2090404@article19.org> In-Reply-To: <56D96D6A.2090404@article19.org> --OGK5RtNDGU75HviRbpsuBjFb9L50gEOa7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Niels ten Oever [2016-03-04 03:11:38 -0800]: > On 03/03/2016 09:41 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: >> Article 11 of the UDHR states: >> (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be >> presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public tri= al >> at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. >> (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account o= f >> any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under >> national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor >> shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at= >> the time the penal offence was committed. >> >> So, it isn't presumption of innocence that protects persons against >> unreasonable searches and seizures. >> > > I have to kindly disagree with you here Pranesh. In times of predictive= > policing, mass surveillance, data retention and algorithmic decision > making I do think that the notion of presumption of innocence is not > something that is only exercised in court, but is also applicable to > policing practices. Perhaps, if you are using "presumption of innocence" in a loose cultural = reference: for instance, a presumption of innocence when faced with a=20 trial by media. But in terms of human rights law, presumption of innocence applies in a=20 penal case. For instance, it isn't even applicable in a tort case. And even under American law, restrictions on "unreasonable search and=20 seizure" comes under the 4th Amendment, while presumption of innocence=20 is seen as part of the common law, and is part of a fair trial, which=20 can in the US be traced to the 5th (privilege against bearing witness=20 against oneself), 6th (speedy, public trial by impartial jury, with=20 notice, etc.), and 14th (due process, applicability to states) Amendments= =2E > In extension one could also easily argue that the aforementioned > technical concepts enables people to not contribute to providing > evidence against themselves. In international human rights law, these are distinct rights. The right = against self-incrimination (Article 14(3)(g) of the ICCPR) is distinct=20 from the right to presumption of innocence (Article 14(2) of the ICCPR), = which is distinct from the right against unreasonable search and seizure = (which can be likened to Article 17 of the ICCPR). All in all, I don't see how anonymity, security, and privacy as=20 technical concepts correlate with the legal concept in human rights law=20 of presumption of innocence, which really has no applicability outside=20 of a tribunal or courtroom.[1] [1]: Article 14(2): Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall=20 have the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to l= aw. --=20 Pranesh Prakash Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society http://cis-india.org | tel:+91 80 40926283 sip:pranesh@ostel.co | xmpp:pranesh@cis-india.org https://twitter.com/pranesh --OGK5RtNDGU75HviRbpsuBjFb9L50gEOa7-- --LaOI6Q4KBDGAwlMogmmoaXsQeBHv2T4K4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJW2ZHtAAoJEE0qlBAVWSN1WBsQAJGcbaCAwowtQR+1ozFmhZG6 cEbx6EqYuj1uV9mapM+LJrl4FY+gdyy5BJfq/DfvHlXfZct4V6cjCmbDxfu9eMkW 0loa0HhaHY8oPwdb3F5n868xBdIBtjZvUZTddwTZ1Em3EF82h/j67z8sxR0tHSoZ o/MSLGe5ZuHVzFvZJF16z6WySF0LgIiFSG3YrFQSB01Q7ZTijWwksXSnhmp+B+50 +aqWwjlcG/GpWNUoM0Q0Q9lsbgu1s/E5OWwKVxmk2KYbxQQFq3UIWR3UB7K68+np SMiDke6q1NmKIrFHryL+muaKCmFCR7Iuq/zsGMYZsxokT5zNH/G0489IBErfszVD 2Kp+JaVS60jqNE0cvhwRJDdHMvahsexrXTCjqXfdzLWbiFsb51vykdk7H/dJ1UqH 2Ir6PG5OglZBBvl2ntcGzRJu4Xg92u3KbpVlA78a9+TEqye8wCPW7JrqR0sCPWtw XwLwabTxLyh5cyTpgUkSQ0Y+1RxnpJswM1g7HVZ+jHdukkdNOMBOyxAYZPgPTpnb NMPLgIXbi8dBE7tnmUAWDQu7ood/Zs7CxQ/9ELPU7h5PVoCBF3Fk7uGt6U1Y/qru vn/bl2ziOs6janCJlAlVYhEPc5+bDftt/mgFjq64LQdQuIkKG0FexZU+229fD1fh ZZ43rg/lA3+Vm9IuTVW+ =Hs16 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LaOI6Q4KBDGAwlMogmmoaXsQeBHv2T4K4-- From nobody Fri Mar 4 06:44:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5EB1A1A15; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 06:44:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.824 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.824 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yHH9_42gLwJm; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 06:44:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.article19.io (vps784.greenhost.nl [213.108.108.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34C861A1A12; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 06:44:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.article19.io (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDE4B164015; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 14:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC611436E; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 14:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.article19.io ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.article19.io [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id SGRt0jjcyNs3; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 14:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.196.197.150] (66-194.icannmeeting.org [199.91.194.66]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5A5DD1439C; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 14:44:04 +0000 (UTC) To: "hrpc@irtf.org" , Internet Research Steering Group From: Niels ten Oever X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56D99F33.30209@article19.org> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 14:44:03 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uS8viR3KOMbrgTMiuefv9aVNakhJObO5v" Archived-At: Subject: [hrpc] Net of Rights launch && hrpc introduction website X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2016 14:44:08 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --uS8viR3KOMbrgTMiuefv9aVNakhJObO5v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I am very happy to announce that today we're publicly launching the Net of Rights film, which has been part of the work of several members of hrp= c. Please find the film Net of Rights here: https://hrpc.io/wp-content/uploads/videos/netofrights.io.mp4 and the teaser here: https://hrpc.io/wp-content/uploads/videos/netofrights.io_teaser.mp4 To ensure people will find their way to our work better, we also made an introduction website to hrpc: https://hrpc.io If you have any comments or suggestions about the introduction website or the film, please let me now. 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I suspect the genre of clustering terms and associating them with a tenant or human right a la: ( technical concept 1 ) ( technical concept 2 ) = human rights, values or interests ( ... ) may be causing problems with some of the more subtle forms of human rights? That is, I can read a lot of relationships into that kind of thing, but I don't think that's what is intended in the document. We're hoping to have more capacity very soon to participate more actively in HRPC, so we'll try to make concrete suggestions. best, Joe -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 CDT's annual dinner, Tech Prom, is April 6, 2016! https://cdt.org/annual-dinner From nobody Fri Mar 4 08:11:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CD21A6F40; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 08:11:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BpWUeiAIbp-a; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 08:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm0-x22f.google.com (mail-wm0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F3D81A6F61; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 08:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id l68so26677542wml.0; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:11:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=dFBguxuU2kXTF/jq6oC1MDLiMdgjTypwxz/zLIOO3W0=; b=v7LsoKJSKHZ4uIphpwW2XmWAzLbBMoXh11lnAJkIzqyP6ctyBU4c31UTxPCM2YN16t R/bbkpP1qxT2AVUVD4gI/6NVQQ+hbd+2QqdE2mPij+4LDxDeziU5d0KuLkNG3xMk6guk V1wMtLEQ/CwBJOds5dIG/R50a0mQIp/uNb1RMN53hm/sTnGoo0Q2VgNixMZNprvBVwKD O4JC5dfhTbtOv9+ru/ugZn4ZMUdlTQpFx1Z/BNPKIYsav5NFz4IZOoXlRw0z+YQWqrvz bQntNkG00k7jRrTsINkvpKMl9twlr32aJPAFZgiqlS0p23zecgwpzFBCQzXFAPGv0wb3 x9HQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=dFBguxuU2kXTF/jq6oC1MDLiMdgjTypwxz/zLIOO3W0=; b=UhyXdtBAcxk5ptqDh90abssVzCU3IVBGSDrOaGSGYODMXAvAvSP0h9iAR8R0tpq68g DH53abXjnL1lMB5/K/nx78FqSH7Xy9roc3IZrUKy685on6uul49mQ5tewYuxz6p9r3qH WKVnlwEdNwPSj2J7iFz7ejNlBiPmsAW/e7Isk+Z9AaLu0D96No0pZI4pbIJp4JF3rlfn T9rQV2izw1jVR5HkxHqzQMr0qzfGeVm7Ptz4BkP90sjD4CA+XYoLlxuXIN33CX2JPbd2 sppqkVxSkXh1ZvkWOZw4k/5FmP8apR7cglvdmqntNJZeuBAy0jwTfI17P+bwFHxwUGHa UVFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIMs/nD3TG1fKgGCxqB1Y42CXSTerYILIj1Sfg0OiXnuymbdXBd9tFRJXJ/2U61UfvBUqdVnVEZA0xeug== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.77.15 with SMTP id o15mr11253973wjw.41.1457107870977; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.2.175 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 08:11:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56D99F33.30209@article19.org> References: <56D99F33.30209@article19.org> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 16:11:10 +0000 Message-ID: From: Corinne Cath To: Niels ten Oever Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfcef880c9802052d3b5dfc Archived-At: Cc: "hrpc@irtf.org" , Internet Research Steering Group Subject: Re: [hrpc] Net of Rights launch && hrpc introduction website X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2016 16:11:14 -0000 --047d7bfcef880c9802052d3b5dfc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Congrats on the great work! Corinne On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote: > Hi all, > > I am very happy to announce that today we're publicly launching the Net > of Rights film, which has been part of the work of several members of hrpc. > > Please find the film Net of Rights here: > https://hrpc.io/wp-content/uploads/videos/netofrights.io.mp4 > > and the teaser here: > https://hrpc.io/wp-content/uploads/videos/netofrights.io_teaser.mp4 > > To ensure people will find their way to our work better, we also made an > introduction website to hrpc: https://hrpc.io > > If you have any comments or suggestions about the introduction website > or the film, please let me now. > > All the best, > > Niels > > > -- > Niels ten Oever > Head of Digital > > Article 19 > www.article19.org > > PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 > 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 > > > _______________________________________________ > hrpc mailing list > hrpc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc > > -- 'The management of normality is hard work' --047d7bfcef880c9802052d3b5dfc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congrats on the great work! Corinne

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Ni= els ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
Hi all,

I am very happy to announce that today we're publicly launching the Net=
of Rights film, which has been part of the work of several members of hrpc.=

Please find the film Net of Rights here:
https://hrpc.io/wp-content/uploads/video= s/netofrights.io.mp4

and the teaser here:
https://hrpc.io/wp-content/upload= s/videos/netofrights.io_teaser.mp4

To ensure people will find their way to our work better, we also made an introduction website to hrpc: https://hrpc.io

If you have any comments or suggestions about the introduction website
or the film, please let me now.

All the best,

Niels


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--047d7bfcef880c9802052d3b5dfc-- From nobody Fri Mar 4 08:45:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B991A1A4D for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 08:45:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.378 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.378 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PPY_RriqGSC8 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 08:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk0-x230.google.com (mail-vk0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3FC41A1A50 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 08:45:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vk0-x230.google.com with SMTP id c3so59280278vkb.3 for ; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:45:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cdt.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=x4EFoY3cMYGA9qWjKSd2HZre1GGiJIBcYXOu/Fv1lcQ=; b=poAP/URM7T000zz9BHaFxxiymE5dich/unFl9BJ5qxzYGFdAWIn23wzr3vMijbntZx voaDRyBf6IoSjtUPs0npTK54tDCWVg5yD9aOXgiuzbE6gzFMggMErjNsyNkXteWEtryv zBslE6lJfCqLDviDEbtMA/gT3FEgjfQW2dsuo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=x4EFoY3cMYGA9qWjKSd2HZre1GGiJIBcYXOu/Fv1lcQ=; b=NUYrpg+KchSipdT6DEy5UgGxFqMel2LdUazXWf+AVwXgMXGjNQtaRaeGPca7R4bNVn AivOwo8EBP6W+o2G6MLWTryQc0Dr5zod9aq27DgzZQOlcTFUOmTilgtfE39xGQjkHeXp M9QHBilxZcVzygjMJk3ZcmIVa11JnWA7K/WXU8+hw82MQDcpNy97tETBMcq4ia4Biegy Bir86mMmZu0zIkTKFbtl3324YNjTtc/7yBGLsw/Se8wmHBo1vEIs7Gmhw/TYM58St7w8 YydapaXLhsAFnuXqPYwOdjNWhJXXtz6dj0AdPzwPgrmd1iDaUmcMuuA5K9iEYEP0guuj k/pA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKOaOIalBqvhu1RDnGNFb0+hm40zygv84lbfIUiB6XGHnveGsUBoqWYwx1kmRLEOHaXe2QVncrFL2cCXwAA X-Received: by 10.31.107.25 with SMTP id g25mr5507488vkc.15.1457109930147; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:45:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.76.7 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 08:45:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <56D99F33.30209@article19.org> From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 11:45:10 -0500 Message-ID: To: Corinne Cath Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: Niels ten Oever , "hrpc@irtf.org" , Internet Research Steering Group Subject: Re: [hrpc] Net of Rights launch && hrpc introduction website X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2016 16:45:32 -0000 Hear, hear! It's very well done! bravo! best, Joe On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Corinne Cath wrote: > Congrats on the great work! Corinne > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I am very happy to announce that today we're publicly launching the Net >> of Rights film, which has been part of the work of several members of >> hrpc. >> >> Please find the film Net of Rights here: >> https://hrpc.io/wp-content/uploads/videos/netofrights.io.mp4 >> >> and the teaser here: >> https://hrpc.io/wp-content/uploads/videos/netofrights.io_teaser.mp4 >> >> To ensure people will find their way to our work better, we also made an >> introduction website to hrpc: https://hrpc.io >> >> If you have any comments or suggestions about the introduction website >> or the film, please let me now. >> >> All the best, >> >> Niels >> >> >> -- >> Niels ten Oever >> Head of Digital >> >> Article 19 >> www.article19.org >> >> PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 >> 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> hrpc mailing list >> hrpc@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc >> > > > > -- > > > 'The management of normality is hard work' > > > _______________________________________________ > hrpc mailing list > hrpc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc > -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 CDT's annual dinner, Tech Prom, is April 6, 2016! https://cdt.org/annual-dinner From nobody Sat Mar 5 14:06:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C10B1B37B8 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2016 14:06:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, J_CHICKENPOX_17=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JUe3KZDcy-f7 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2016 14:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls5.std.com [192.74.137.145]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317E61B37B7 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2016 14:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcls8.std.com (pcls8.std.com [192.74.137.148]) by TheWorld.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u25M58Bb002582; Sat, 5 Mar 2016 17:05:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <22235.22445.548487.384291@pcls8.std.com> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 17:03:25 -0500 From: bzs@theworld.com To: Pranesh Prakash In-Reply-To: <56D92023.1060408@cis-india.org> References: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> <56D74AB1.7060306@cis-india.org> <56D7707C.7020506@article19.org> <22232.42213.752725.338076@pcls8.std.com> <56D92023.1060408@cis-india.org> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 24.3.1 (x86_64-suse-linux-gnu) Archived-At: Cc: Niels ten Oever , "hrpc@irtf.org" , bzs@theworld.com Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft human rights considerations X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2016 22:06:04 -0000 The Scalia et al dissent beginning on page 33 of this SCOTUS decision does a pretty good job of connecting the dots between "presumption of innocence", "reasonable cause", and 4th amendment protections. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-207_d18e.pdf The Exclusionary Rule also provides a bridge between the concepts by making evidence not obtained via reasonable cause etc inadmissible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusionary_rule But ultimately this is a question, particularly in terms of international law, better answered by someone more versed in these matters than I am. On March 4, 2016 at 11:11 pranesh@cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash) wrote: > bzs@theworld.com [2016-03-03 15:56:05 -0500]: > > > > On 03/02/2016 09:18 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: > >> How is the right to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise linked > >> to anonymity, "privacy", or "security" as defined in the HRPC glossary?= > > > > A presumption of innocence underlies protections against unreasonable > > searches and seizures which I hope connects those dots. > > Not really. > > A 'presumption of innocence' isn't a presumption applicable to all > persons, but to accused persons during a criminal trial. > > Article 11 of the UDHR states: > (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed > innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which > he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. > (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any > act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national > or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a > heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time > the penal offence was committed. > > So, it isn't presumption of innocence that protects persons against > unreasonable searches and seizures. > > -- > Pranesh Prakash > Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society > http://cis-india.org | tel:+91 80 40926283 > sip:pranesh@ostel.co | xmpp:pranesh@cis-india.org > https://twitter.com/pranesh > > x[DELETED ATTACHMENT signature.asc, application/pgp-signature] -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo* From nobody Tue Mar 8 19:05:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F85012DDCF for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 19:05:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.369 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lKYty6zvboBa for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 19:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pa0-f45.google.com (mail-pa0-f45.google.com [209.85.220.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D53FC12D81C for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 19:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id tt10so27307202pab.3 for ; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 19:04:55 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=MMi/bjr1fBEkVu4AiDmaVfgQI9qB9kRoLQ7Bj9KPYKI=; b=moUJzV/u+VPiHwqyVfW/gHSb8r7UXx2cAGokgB/CK9sjcmKKuTUo/Tm1J0OmzbVsjb cMbJMECLoNGlp5ncATN1hmDvnNHl4x+49LEiWb/4d505FypWzDztE21PqOMzeBppS6Ao z+daI1GWl6B3ReF5tXPCjfUsokTis64gQPmkbLyz7Q53FlLcdBgdn1xaJW7KOUwHPTJd c1e5jK6Mdy2J9opEmYF3Vs8QlrqrBMYMcW+pPItIbum+6oAPMhkEWH9IB09U6iNuUkHH jQbbSkXLVe2PLjef9NgSJ8xyG6LXj2SH1KuFEsnfrmyJzHWU/cuZYU72GozomKo+0rxh BeSA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKFL568aaHX+G7SHPWSgi/pvHFfrvimBz4DGliBZw4UsOMvd64Lxi95F3LAH7eLRw== X-Received: by 10.66.222.41 with SMTP id qj9mr46902041pac.136.1457492695354; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 19:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.31.98.11] (50-197-154-67-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.197.154.67]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o7sm7456380pfj.89.2016.03.08.19.04.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 Mar 2016 19:04:53 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3A6468F3-E30B-4B16-B137-338C53D5AFF6"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.6b2 From: Nick Doty In-Reply-To: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 19:04:51 -0800 Message-Id: <856FD101-55E1-4F12-8AFF-0AE5BF5CBE3C@ischool.berkeley.edu> References: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> To: Niels ten Oever X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Archived-At: Cc: "hrpc@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft human rights considerations X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 03:05:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3A6468F3-E30B-4B16-B137-338C53D5AFF6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_64E2390E-DF78-4E0A-AECF-26B0561704D8" --Apple-Mail=_64E2390E-DF78-4E0A-AECF-26B0561704D8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, Apologies that I haven't been following this thread as closely as I = would have liked. I've read over the -04 methodology draft and include = comments below. Some of these may be duplicates of others in this thread = that I haven't seen, but maybe that's still useful in identifying what = another reader finds as standing out. Hope this helps, Nick 1. Introduction I like the references and framing in this section very much. Recognizing = the importance of security and privacy, as this section does, would it = make sense to also cite RFC 3552, which provided guidance on writing a = security considerations section? That seems analogous to the RFC 6973. Similarly, should we be citing Morris & Davidson's I-D on public policy = considerations as prior work somewhere? = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-morris-policy-considerations-00 "Public Policy Considerations for Internet Design Decisions" is a = precursor to 6973, but I would also expect to use it as a guide for = finding questions for issue spotting on other topics, including = accessibility and free expression. 2. Research Topic Freedom of Expression and Freedom of Association are certainly broad and = important human rights, but do we have a clear justification for = limiting this research work to these particular freedoms? (I imagine = this has already been discussed, and feel free to just point me to = previous discussion on this topic.) As a particular matter, I would expect accessibility, fairness / freedom = from discrimination, and protections against harassment and reputational = harms to be values likely to be heavily affected by the design of = Internet and Web standards. I think those are present in some form in = Articles 12 and perhaps 27 of the UN declaration. Later sections of the = document (4.4, e.g.) also refer to many such rights beyond FoE and FoA = (non-discrimination, political participation, participating in cultural = life, equal protection, etc.). 3. Methodology Regarding methodology, is it useful to provide academic support for = particular methodological choices? That is, in my academic work, I'm = trying to distinguish the quantitative vs. qualitative methods and why = each is appropriate for different research goals. 4.6.8 I'm diving less into each of the use cases right now (I know there are = separate threads on several of them), but I just wanted to note that I'm = really glad that Middleboxes is included in this list. At the IETF = meetings I've been able to attend recently, that's been a consistently = important topic and an apparent location of tussle. (Speaking of which, = I wonder if that Dave Clark "Tussle" paper should be cited here or in a = related document.) 4.7.2 I like the questionnaire as a model, at least a starting one, for a tool = that enables issue spotting by specification authors. That's something = we've used to at least some positive effect in both IETF and W3C, = specifically around privacy. That said, I wonder if we can develop some best practices in the design = of these questionnaires. One common issue we hear, at least anecdotally, = is that if a question is framed as "does your protocol do [bad thing = X]?", then the specification author filling out the questionnaire is = incentivized to find the answer to be "no". For example, > Does your protocol make censorship easier by exposing specific > identifiers that could be sensitive for filtering? Might work better as: > Does this protocol introduce new identifiers that might be associated = with persons or content? Followed by some explanatory text: > Identifiers of content exposed within a protocol might be used to = facilitate censorship, as in the case of HTTP in this particular = scenario [...]. Anyway, I recognize that this questionnaire is a placeholder for the = time being, but I just wanted us to start thinking about that. I've also = been getting the feedback that examples are particularly useful for = specification authors. That point has been discussed regarding W3C TAG's = Security and Privacy Questionnaire and the Fingerprinting Guidance = document I've been working on: https://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2015/12/security-questionnaire.html https://www.w3.org/TR/2015/NOTE-fingerprinting-guidance-20151124/ > On Feb 9, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Niels ten Oever = wrote: >=20 > Signed PGP part > Dear all, >=20 > I hope this email finds you well. Corinne and I added a substantial > amount of text to the methodology draft, which we just made available > for you here: >=20 > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-varon-hrpc-methodology-04.txt >=20 > Most additions are a first stab at actual human rights considerations, > modeled after RFC6973. I pasted this specific part also underneath for > your convenience and consideration. There are also some small > additions to the middlebox text as well as other nits than can be > found directly in the draft (and in the diff > = https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-varon-hrpc-methodology-04.txt > ). >=20 > Looking forward to the discussion, as well as questions and comments. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Niels --Apple-Mail=_64E2390E-DF78-4E0A-AECF-26B0561704D8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi all,

Apologies that I haven't been following = this thread as closely as I would have liked. I've read over the -04 = methodology draft and include comments below. Some of these may be = duplicates of others in this thread that I haven't seen, but maybe = that's still useful in identifying what another reader finds as standing = out.

Hope this = helps,
Nick


1. = Introduction

I = like the references and framing in this section very much. Recognizing = the importance of security and privacy, as this section does, would it = make sense to also cite RFC 3552, which provided guidance on writing a = security considerations section? That seems analogous to the RFC = 6973.

Similarly,= should we be citing Morris & Davidson's I-D on public policy = considerations as prior work somewhere?
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-morris-policy-considerations-= 00
"Public Policy Considerations for Internet = Design Decisions" is a precursor to 6973, but I would also expect to use = it as a guide for finding questions for issue spotting on other topics, = including accessibility and free expression.

2. Research Topic

Freedom of Expression = and Freedom of Association are certainly broad and important human = rights, but do we have a clear justification for limiting this research = work to these particular freedoms? (I imagine this has already been = discussed, and feel free to just point me to previous discussion on this = topic.)

As a = particular matter, I would expect accessibility, fairness / freedom from = discrimination, and protections against harassment and reputational = harms to be values likely to be heavily affected by the design of = Internet and Web standards. I think those are present in some form in = Articles 12 and perhaps 27 of the UN declaration. Later sections of the = document (4.4, e.g.) also refer to many such rights beyond FoE and FoA = (non-discrimination, political participation, participating in cultural = life, equal protection, etc.).

3. Methodology

Regarding methodology, is it useful to = provide academic support for particular methodological choices? That is, = in my academic work, I'm trying to distinguish the quantitative vs. = qualitative methods and why each is appropriate for different research = goals.

4.6.8

I'm diving less into each of the use cases right now (I know = there are separate threads on several of them), but I just wanted to = note that I'm really glad that Middleboxes is included in this list. At = the IETF meetings I've been able to attend recently, that's been a = consistently important topic and an apparent location of tussle. = (Speaking of which, I wonder if that Dave Clark "Tussle" paper should be = cited here or in a related document.)

4.7.2

I like the questionnaire as a model, at = least a starting one, for a tool that enables issue spotting by = specification authors. That's something we've used to at least some = positive effect in both IETF and W3C, specifically around = privacy.

That = said, I wonder if we can develop some best practices in the design of = these questionnaires. One common issue we hear, at least anecdotally, is = that if a question is framed as "does your protocol do [bad thing X]?", = then the specification author filling out the questionnaire is = incentivized to find the answer to be "no".  For example,

Does your protocol make censorship easier by exposing = specific
identifiers that could be sensitive for = filtering?

Might work better as:
Does this protocol introduce new identifiers = that might be associated with persons or content?

Followed by some = explanatory text:
Identifiers of content exposed within a protocol might be = used to facilitate censorship, as in the case of HTTP in this particular = scenario [...].

Anyway, I recognize that this questionnaire is a placeholder = for the time being, but I just wanted us to start thinking about that. = I've also been getting the feedback that examples are particularly = useful for specification authors. That point has been discussed = regarding W3C TAG's Security and Privacy Questionnaire and the = Fingerprinting Guidance document I've been working on:

https://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2015/12/security-questionnaire.html=
https://www.w3.org/TR/2015/NOTE-fingerprinting-guidance-2015112= 4/


On = Feb 9, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org>= wrote:

Signed PGP part
Dear all,

I hope this email finds you well. Corinne and I added a = substantial
amount of text to the methodology draft, which = we just made available
for you here:

https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-varon-hrpc-methodology-04.txt=

Most additions are a first stab at actual = human rights considerations,
modeled after RFC6973. I = pasted this specific part also underneath for
your = convenience and consideration. There are also some small
additions to the middlebox text as well as other nits than = can be
found directly in the draft (and in the diff
https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-varon-hrpc-methodol= ogy-04.txt
).

Looking forward = to the discussion, as well as questions and comments.

Best,

Niels

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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline A very good RFC, on the *technical* aspects of blocking, censoring, filtering... --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org Received: from hebe.prod-int.prive.th3.nic.fr [10.1.81.80] by batilda.nic.fr with IMAP (fetchmail-6.3.26) for (single-drop); Thu, 03 Mar 2016 20:45:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from hebe.prod-int.prive.th3.nic.fr (LHLO zimbra.afnic.fr) (10.1.81.80) by zimbra.afnic.fr with LMTP; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 20:44:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.afnic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689252D7C493 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 20:44:38 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.567 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.567 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: zimbra.afnic.fr (amavisd-new); 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org Sender: "IETF-Announce" X-PMX-Version: 6.0.0.2142326, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2016.3.3.193616 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIIII, Probability=9%, Report=' MULTIPLE_RCPTS 0.1, REPLYTO_FROM_DIFF_ADDY 0.1, HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_2999 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, DKIM_SIGNATURE 0, HAS_X_PHP_SCRIPT 0, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __ANY_URI 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_LIST_HEADER 0, __HAS_LIST_HELP 0, __HAS_LIST_SUBSCRIBE 0, __HAS_LIST_UNSUBSCRIBE 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_REPLYTO 0, __HAS_X_PHP_ORIG_SCRIPT 0, __HTTPS_URI 0, __MAL_TELEKOM_URI 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MULTIPLE_RCPTS_CC_X2 0, __MULTIPLE_URI_TEXT 0, __PHISH_PHRASE2 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NO_NAME 0, __URI_IN_BODY 0, __URI_NS , __URI_WITH_PATH 0' X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Subject: RFC 7754 on Technical Considerations for Internet Service Blocking and Filtering From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 7754 Title: Technical Considerations for Internet Service Blocking and Filtering Author: R. Barnes, A. Cooper, O. Kolkman, D. Thaler, E. Nordmark Status: Informational Stream: IAB Date: March 2016 Mailbox: rlb@ipv.sx, alcoop@cisco.com, kolkman@isoc.org, dthaler@microsoft.com, nordmark@arista.com Pages: 33 Characters: 85046 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-iab-filtering-considerations-09.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7754 DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.17487/RFC7754 The Internet is structured to be an open communications medium. This openness is one of the key underpinnings of Internet innovation, but it can also allow communications that may be viewed as undesirable by certain parties. Thus, as the Internet has grown, so have mechanisms to limit the extent and impact of abusive or objectionable communications. Recently, there has been an increasing emphasis on "blocking" and "filtering", the active prevention of such communications. This document examines several technical approaches to Internet blocking and filtering in terms of their alignment with the overall Internet architecture. When it is possible to do so, the approach to blocking and filtering that is most coherent with the Internet architecture is to inform endpoints about potentially undesirable services, so that the communicants can avoid engaging in abusive or objectionable communications. We observe that certain filtering and blocking approaches can cause unintended consequences to third parties, and we discuss the limits of efficacy of various approaches. This document is a product of the Internet Architecture Board. INFORMATIONAL: This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW-- From nobody Sun Mar 13 03:18:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@irtf.org Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B48712DD74; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:05:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.16.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160311230543.15028.66086.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:05:43 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 03:18:43 -0700 Cc: hrpc@irtf.org, irtf-chair@irtf.org Subject: [hrpc] hrpc - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 95 X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 23:05:44 -0000 Dear Niels Oever, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. hrpc Session 1 (1:30:00) Monday, Afternoon Session III 1740-1940 Room Name: Atlantico B size: 125 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Human Rights Protocol Considerations Area Name: IRTF Session Requester: Niels Oever Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 90 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: dprive Second Priority: openpgp Third Priority: irtfopen Special Requests: Preferably not on Friday, and preferably also no conflict with dnsop. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Thu Mar 17 06:17:40 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CA812D577 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 06:17:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0h49YjpI2nKc for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 06:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.article19.io (vps784.greenhost.nl [213.108.108.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 867D212D8C5 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 06:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.article19.io (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F3CC14363 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 13:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C411D5302 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 13:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.article19.io ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.article19.io [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 66p-UPqfrdim for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 13:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.70] (sd5112335.adsl.online.nl [213.17.35.53]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 239E31D52F6 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 13:17:34 +0000 (UTC) References: <20160317131136.17432.10088.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "hrpc@irtf.org" From: Niels ten Oever X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20160317131136.17432.10088.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: <56EAAE6D.2000404@article19.org> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:17:33 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160317131136.17432.10088.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UounIhxscGCX8g5IlRlMgnmNecIFSSfHu" Archived-At: Subject: [hrpc] New Version Notification for draft-tenoever-hrpc-research-00.txt X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 13:17:39 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --UounIhxscGCX8g5IlRlMgnmNecIFSSfHu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, We just published a new ID which: - is merging the glossary [0] and methodology [1] drafts - provides an overview of the research done up to now - includes a brand new literature overview and discussion - has a new version of cleaned up guidelines for human rights considerati= ons We're looking forward to a thorough discussion of this on the list as well as in Buenos Aires. All the best, Niels [0] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dkg-hrpc-glossary-01 [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-varon-hrpc-methodology-04 -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-tenoever-hrpc-research-00.txt= Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 06:11:36 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Niels ten Oever , Corinne Cath A new version of I-D, draft-tenoever-hrpc-research-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Niels ten Oever and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-tenoever-hrpc-research Revision: 00 Title: Research into Human Rights Protocol Considerations Document date: 2016-03-17 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 57 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-tenoever-hrpc-research-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tenoever-hrpc-research/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tenoever-hrpc-research-= 00 Abstract: The increased intertwinement of Internet and society increases the impact of the Internet on the lives of individuals. Because of this, the design and development of the architecture of the Internet also has an increasing impact on society. This has led to an increasing recognition that human rights [UDHR] [ICCPR] [ICESCR] have a role in the development and management of the Internet [HRC2012] [UNGA2013] [NETmundial]. It has also been argued that the Internet should be strenghtened as a human rights enabeling environment [Brown]. This document provides a proposal for a glossary to discuss the relation between human rights and Internet protocols, an overview of the discussion, a proposal for the mapping of the relation between human rights and technical concepts, and a proposal for guidelines for human rights considerations, similar to the work done on the guidelines for privacy considerations [RFC6973]. Discussion of this draft at: hrpc@irtf.org // https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56EAAE6D.2000404@article19.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PxcPBQFo5fkosPnCHpF3sHlQCpn6Qj0RO" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hrpc] New Version Notification for draft-tenoever-hrpc-research-00.txt X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 13:26:17 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --PxcPBQFo5fkosPnCHpF3sHlQCpn6Qj0RO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PS As always, suggested changes are also accepted as pull requests here: https://github.com/nllz/IRTF-HRPC/blob/master/draft-research.md Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 On 03/17/2016 02:17 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote: > Dear all, >=20 > We just published a new ID which: > - is merging the glossary [0] and methodology [1] drafts > - provides an overview of the research done up to now > - includes a brand new literature overview and discussion > - has a new version of cleaned up guidelines for human rights considera= tions >=20 > We're looking forward to a thorough discussion of this on the list as > well as in Buenos Aires. >=20 > All the best, >=20 > Niels >=20 > [0] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dkg-hrpc-glossary-01 > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-varon-hrpc-methodology-04 >=20 >=20 > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-tenoever-hrpc-research-00.t= xt > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 06:11:36 -0700 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: Niels ten Oever , Corinne Cath > >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-tenoever-hrpc-research-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Niels ten Oever and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-tenoever-hrpc-research > Revision: 00 > Title: Research into Human Rights Protocol Considerations > Document date: 2016-03-17 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 57 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-tenoever-hrpc-research-00.tx= t > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tenoever-hrpc-research/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tenoever-hrpc-researc= h-00 >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > The increased intertwinement of Internet and society increases the > impact of the Internet on the lives of individuals. Because of this= , > the design and development of the architecture of the Internet also > has an increasing impact on society. This has led to an increasing > recognition that human rights [UDHR] [ICCPR] [ICESCR] have a role in= > the development and management of the Internet [HRC2012] [UNGA2013] > [NETmundial]. It has also been argued that the Internet should be > strenghtened as a human rights enabeling environment [Brown]. >=20 > This document provides a proposal for a glossary to discuss the > relation between human rights and Internet protocols, an overview of= > the discussion, a proposal for the mapping of the relation between > human rights and technical concepts, and a proposal for guidelines > for human rights considerations, similar to the work done on the > guidelines for privacy considerations [RFC6973]. >=20 > Discussion of this draft at: hrpc@irtf.org // > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submi= ssion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --PxcPBQFo5fkosPnCHpF3sHlQCpn6Qj0RO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; 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boundary=001a114438107cbd93052e3eb373 Archived-At: Cc: Niels ten Oever , "hrpc@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft human rights considerations X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 13:35:26 -0000 --001a114438107cbd93052e3eb373 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nick, Thank you for your email! Very helpful indeed, comments in-line. Best, Corinne On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Nick Doty wrote: > Hi all, > > Apologies that I haven't been following this thread as closely as I would > have liked. I've read over the -04 methodology draft and include comments > below. Some of these may be duplicates of others in this thread that I > haven't seen, but maybe that's still useful in identifying what another > reader finds as standing out. > > Hope this helps, > Nick > > > 1. Introduction > > I like the references and framing in this section very much. Recognizing > the importance of security and privacy, as this section does, would it ma= ke > sense to also cite RFC 3552, which provided guidance on writing a securit= y > considerations section? That seems analogous to the RFC 6973. > > =E2=80=8BWe added RFC 3552 and are still trying to work out how (and where)= to integrate the work of Morris and Davidson, any advice would be much appreciated. =E2=80=8B > Similarly, should we be citing Morris & Davidson's I-D on public policy > considerations as prior work somewhere? > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-morris-policy-considerations-00 > "Public Policy Considerations for Internet Design Decisions" is a > precursor to 6973, but I would also expect to use it as a guide for findi= ng > questions for issue spotting on other topics, including accessibility and > free expression. > > 2. Research Topic > > Freedom of Expression and Freedom of Association are certainly broad and > important human rights, but do we have a clear justification for limiting > this research work to these particular freedoms? (I imagine this has > already been discussed, and feel free to just point me to previous > discussion on this topic.) > =E2=80=8BInitially the work focused strongly on FoE and FoA, but after taki= ng the initial research steps and receiving elaborate feedback on the mailinglist we decided to position the research wider to include multiple rights with a strong digital component=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B. This is partially due to the specific characteristics of human r= ights as being universal, interrelated and interdependent therefor it seemed artificial and incorrect to single out two specific rights, so we included all the rights we thought might be affected. This does not necessarily mean this list of rights impacted is exhaustive. =E2=80=8B > > As a particular matter, I would expect accessibility, fairness / freedom > from discrimination, and protections against harassment and reputational > harms to be values likely to be heavily affected by the design of Interne= t > and Web standards. I think those are present in some form in Articles 12 > and perhaps 27 of the UN declaration. Later sections of the document (4.4= , > e.g.) also refer to many such rights beyond FoE and FoA > (non-discrimination, political participation, participating in cultural > life, equal protection, etc.). > =E2=80=8BSee above=E2=80=8B. > 3. Methodology > > Regarding methodology, is it useful to provide academic support for > particular methodological choices? That is, in my academic work, I'm tryi= ng > to distinguish the quantitative vs. qualitative methods and why each is > appropriate for different research goals. > > =E2=80=8BWe added a more elaborate explanation of the different methodologi= cal decisions made, and provided all the academic references and literature. =E2=80=8B > 4.6.8 > > I'm diving less into each of the use cases right now (I know there are > separate threads on several of them), but I just wanted to note that I'm > really glad that Middleboxes is included in this list. At the IETF meetin= gs > I've been able to attend recently, that's been a consistently important > topic and an apparent location of tussle. (Speaking of which, I wonder if > that Dave Clark "Tussle" paper should be cited here or in a related > document.) > =E2=80=8B Thanks for the support on middleboxes. We mention Clark's tussle paper in the literature and discussion review. > > 4.7.2 > > I like the questionnaire as a model, at least a starting one, for a tool > that enables issue spotting by specification authors. That's something > we've used to at least some positive effect in both IETF and W3C, > specifically around privacy. > > That said, I wonder if we can develop some best practices in the design o= f > these questionnaires. One common issue we hear, at least anecdotally, is > that if a question is framed as "does your protocol do [bad thing X]?", > then the specification author filling out the questionnaire is incentiviz= ed > to find the answer to be "no". For example, > > Does your protocol make censorship easier by exposing specific > identifiers that could be sensitive for filtering? > > > Might work better as: > > Does this protocol introduce new identifiers that might be associated wit= h > persons or content? > > > Followed by some explanatory text: > > Identifiers of content exposed within a protocol might be used to > facilitate censorship, as in the case of HTTP in this particular scenario > [...]. > > > =E2=80=8B+1 =E2=80=8B > Anyway, I recognize that this questionnaire is a placeholder for the time > being, but I just wanted us to start thinking about that. I've also been > getting the feedback that examples are particularly useful for > specification authors. That point has been discussed regarding W3C TAG's > Security and Privacy Questionnaire and the Fingerprinting Guidance docume= nt > I've been working on: > > https://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2015/12/security-questionnaire.html > https://www.w3.org/TR/2015/NOTE-fingerprinting-guidance-20151124/ > =E2=80=8BGreat suggestion, the example is very good. We integrated it into = the new draft. We are thinking about a way that we can standardize this =E2=80=8Ban= d apply and incorporate it into the next version. =E2=80=8BBelow you will find the links to the new draft and the git for pul= l requests. https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-tenoever-hrpc-research-00.txt=E2=80=8B https://github.com/nllz/IRTF-HRPC/blob/master/draft-research.md =E2=80=8BBest, Corinne =E2=80=8B > > On Feb 9, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote: > > Signed PGP part > Dear all, > > I hope this email finds you well. Corinne and I added a substantial > amount of text to the methodology draft, which we just made available > for you here: > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-varon-hrpc-methodology-04.txt > > Most additions are a first stab at actual human rights considerations, > modeled after RFC6973. I pasted this specific part also underneath for > your convenience and consideration. There are also some small > additions to the middlebox text as well as other nits than can be > found directly in the draft (and in the diff > https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-varon-hrpc-methodology-04.txt > ). > > Looking forward to the discussion, as well as questions and comments. > > Best, > > Niels > > > > _______________________________________________ > hrpc mailing list > hrpc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc > > --=20 'The management of normality is hard work' --001a114438107cbd93052e3eb373 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Nick,

Thank you for your email! Very helpful indeed, comments = in-line.

Best, Corinne

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Nick Doty <n= pdoty@ischool.berkeley.edu> wrote:
Hi all,=

Apologies that I haven't been following this = thread as closely as I would have liked. I've read over the -04 methodo= logy draft and include comments below. Some of these may be duplicates of o= thers in this thread that I haven't seen, but maybe that's still us= eful in identifying what another reader finds as standing out.
Hope this helps,
Nick


<= div>1. Introduction

I like the references and fram= ing in this section very much. Recognizing the importance of security and p= rivacy, as this section does, would it make sense to also cite RFC 3552, wh= ich provided guidance on writing a security considerations section? That se= ems analogous to the RFC 6973.

=C2=A0
=E2=80=8BWe added RFC 3552 and are still trying= to work out how (and where) to integrate the work of Morris and Davidson, = any advice would be much appreciated.

=E2=80=8B
=C2=A0
Similarly, should we be citing Morris & D= avidson's I-D on public policy considerations as prior work somewhere?<= /div>
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-morris-policy-considerations-00
"Public Policy Considerations for Internet Design Decisions"= ; is a precursor to 6973, but I would also expect to use it as a guide for = finding questions for issue spotting on other topics, including accessibili= ty and free expression.

2. Research Topic

Freedom of Expression and Freedom of Association are certa= inly broad and important human rights, but do we have a clear justification= for limiting this research work to these particular freedoms? (I imagine t= his has already been discussed, and feel free to just point me to previous = discussion on this topic.)

=E2= =80=8BInitially the work focused strongly on FoE and FoA, but after taking = the initial research steps and receiving elaborate feedback on the mailingl= ist we decided to position the research wider to include multiple rights wi= th a strong digital component=E2=80=8B
=E2=80=8B. This is partial= ly due to the specific characteristics of human rights as being universal, = interrelated and interdependent therefor it seemed artificial and incorrect= to single out two specific rights, so we included all the rights we though= t might be affected. This does not necessarily mean this list of rights imp= acted is exhaustive. =E2=80=8B
=C2=A0

As a particular matter, I would expect accessibility, fairness / f= reedom from discrimination, and protections against harassment and reputati= onal harms to be values likely to be heavily affected by the design of Inte= rnet and Web standards. I think those are present in some form in Articles = 12 and perhaps 27 of the UN declaration. Later sections of the document (4.= 4, e.g.) also refer to many such rights beyond FoE and FoA (non-discriminat= ion, political participation, participating in cultural life, equal protect= ion, etc.).

=E2=80=8BSee above= =E2=80=8B.


3. Method= ology

Regarding methodology, is it useful to provi= de academic support for particular methodological choices? That is, in my a= cademic work, I'm trying to distinguish the quantitative vs. qualitativ= e methods and why each is appropriate for different research goals.

=C2=A0
=E2=80=8BW= e added a more elaborate explanation of the different methodological decisi= ons made, and provided all the academic references and literature.
=E2= =80=8B
=C2=A0
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4.6.8
I'm diving less into each of the use cases right now (I kno= w there are separate threads on several of them), but I just wanted to note= that I'm really glad that Middleboxes is included in this list. At the= IETF meetings I've been able to attend recently, that's been a con= sistently important topic and an apparent location of tussle. (Speaking of = which, I wonder if that Dave Clark "Tussle" paper should be cited= here or in a related document.)
=E2=80=8B
Thanks f= or the support on middleboxes. We mention Clark's=C2=A0 tussle paper in= the literature and discussion review.

=C2=A0
=

4.7.2

I like the question= naire as a model, at least a starting one, for a tool that enables issue sp= otting by specification authors. That's something we've used to at = least some positive effect in both IETF and W3C, specifically around privac= y.

That said, I wonder if we can develop some best= practices in the design of these questionnaires. One common issue we hear,= at least anecdotally, is that if a question is framed as "does your p= rotocol do [bad thing X]?", then the specification author filling out = the questionnaire is incentivized to find the answer to be "no".= =C2=A0 For example,

Does your protocol make censorship easier by exposi= ng specific
identifiers that could be sensitive for filter= ing?

Might work better as:
=
Does this protocol introduce new identifier= s that might be associated with persons or content?

Followed by some explanatory text:
Identifiers of content exposed within a protocol might be used t= o facilitate censorship, as in the case of HTTP in this particular scenario= [...].

=C2=A0
=E2=80=8B+1
=E2=80=8B
=C2=A0
=
Anyway, I recognize that this questionnaire is a placeholder for= the time being, but I just wanted us to start thinking about that. I'v= e also been getting the feedback that examples are particularly useful for = specification authors. That point has been discussed regarding W3C TAG'= s Security and Privacy Questionnaire and the Fingerprinting Guidance docume= nt I've been working on:

https://www.w3.org/TR/2015/NOTE-fingerprinting-guidan= ce-20151124/


=E2=80=8BGreat suggestion= , the example is very good. We integrated it into the new draft. We are thi= nking about a way that we can standardize this =E2=80=8Band apply and incor= porate it into the next version.

=E2=80=8BBelow you will = find the links to the new draft and the git for pull requests.

https://= www.ietf.org/id/draft-tenoever-hrpc-research-00.txt=E2=80=8B
=C2= =A0
https://github.com/nllz/IRTF-HRPC/blo= b/master/draft-research.md


=E2=80=8BBest,

Corinne =E2=80=8B




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On Feb 9, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Niels ten Oever <<= a href=3D"mailto:niels@article19.org" target=3D"_blank">niels@article19.org= > wrote:

Signed PGP part
Dear all,=

I hope this email finds you well. Corinne and I added a substantial=
amount of text to the methodology draft, which we just made availablefor you here:

https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-varon-h= rpc-methodology-04.txt

Most additions are a first stab at actual= human rights considerations,
modeled after RFC6973. I pasted this speci= fic part also underneath for
your convenience and consideration. There a= re also some small
additions to the middlebox text as well as other nits= than can be
found directly in the draft (and in the diff
https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-varon-hrpc-me= thodology-04.txt
).

Looking forward to the discussion, as wel= l as questions and comments.

Best,

Niels


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hrpc@irtf.org
https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc




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'T= he management of normality is hard work'

--001a114438107cbd93052e3eb373-- From nobody Thu Mar 17 07:11:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1319E12D95D for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 07:11:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2ukk3cpy4bsE for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 07:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.article19.io (vps784.greenhost.nl [213.108.108.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6294612D69B for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 07:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.article19.io (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FA081D52F6 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.article19.io (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 001E01D5302 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.70] (sd5112335.adsl.online.nl [213.17.35.53]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E905B1D52F6 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:11:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Niels ten Oever X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 To: "hrpc@irtf.org" Message-ID: <56EABB20.2020502@article19.org> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 15:11:44 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="K5eO8wAM52HL8FWQGDwKeNjRBmmncxkBL" Archived-At: Subject: [hrpc] Proposed agenda hrpc Buenos Aires X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:11:50 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --K5eO8wAM52HL8FWQGDwKeNjRBmmncxkBL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I would like to invite you all to propose agenda items for the agenda of our meeting in Buenos Aires on Monday. Please find underneath a proposed, rough, initial agenda: Human Rights Protocols Considerations (hrpc) research group sessions at #IETF95 17:40 - 19:40 UTC-3, April 4 2016 - - Beginning (5 min) Jabber scribe, note takers Agenda Bashing Notewell Introduction - Status of research group (5 min) - Context of research (10 mins) - Discussion introduction website https://hrpc.io (5 mins) - Presentation + Q&A - Ramsey Nasser on =E2=80=98kalbe=E2=80=99 [=D9=82=D9= =84=D8=A8] a programming language entirely written in Arabic and the issues he came across while developing this (15 mins) - Presentation + Q&A - Geoffrey Bowker on Values in Design and difficulties surrounding engineering for social values (15 mins) - Presentation + Q&A - Nick Doty on privacy adoption in Internet and web standard setting, and how this could be applied in developing human rights guidelines (15 mins) - Discussion of research draft, including first version of considerations (15 minutes) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tenoever-hrpc-research - Discussion of report draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doria-hrpc-report - Open discussion other drafts, papers, ideas (20 min) - Next steps (5 min) - AOB Looking forward to your suggestions and comments, also as pull requests: https://github.com/nllz/IRTF-HRPC/blob/master/Agenda%20hrpc%20IETF95.txt Best, Niels PS Finally I was thinking of organizing a 'civil society (friendly) dinner' in a vegetarian restaurant after our session in the following venue at 20:00: Green Life Av. 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We've since updated the draft, preparing for an -02 version, and have hopefully addressed a set of comments from Stephane Bortzmeyer and Martin Nilsson: * repo: https://github.com/josephlhall/rfc-censorship-tech * ID text: https://github.com/josephlhall/rfc-censorship-tech/blob/master/draft-hall-censorship-tech-latest.txt I'd love to get additional feedback before attempting to convince one of our overworked Security Area ADs to sponsor the draft and run it through the IETF process. You can send comments to draft-hall-censorship-tech@ietf.org, submit pull requests, or open github issues against the document to get feedback to us. Of course, if you're interested in contributing as a co-author, please let me know and give me an idea of what you'd like to add and we can go from there. best, Joe [1]: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hall-censorship-tech/ -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 CDT's annual dinner, Tech Prom, is April 6, 2016! https://cdt.org/annual-dinner From nobody Sun Mar 20 02:41:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C9912D746 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 02:41:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PydSwvjewXda for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 02:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.article19.io (vps784.greenhost.nl [213.108.108.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47B8312D744 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 02:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.article19.io (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51F66124034 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 09:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.article19.io (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4309611401F for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 09:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.70] (sd5112335.adsl.online.nl [213.17.35.53]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 37B11124034 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 09:41:24 +0000 (UTC) To: hrpc@irtf.org References: From: Niels ten Oever Message-ID: <56EE7043.7030800@article19.org> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 10:41:23 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="e67mKnBeF1Ir0e8MafEj0ER52FT7qrRqb" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hrpc] new draft of draft-hall-censorship-tech X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 09:41:30 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --e67mKnBeF1Ir0e8MafEj0ER52FT7qrRqb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for this Joe, would you like a slot to discuss this in hrpc in Buenos Aires? Remote presentation and discussion is also possible of course. Best, Niels Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 On 03/20/2016 12:34 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: > Greetings SAAG and HRPC, >=20 > In SAAG at IETF 91, I presented our draft on "A Survey of Worldwide > Censorship Techniques" [1]. >=20 > We've since updated the draft, preparing for an -02 version, and have > hopefully addressed a set of comments from Stephane Bortzmeyer and > Martin Nilsson: >=20 > * repo: https://github.com/josephlhall/rfc-censorship-tech > * ID text: https://github.com/josephlhall/rfc-censorship-tech/blob/mast= er/draft-hall-censorship-tech-latest.txt >=20 > I'd love to get additional feedback before attempting to convince one > of our overworked Security Area ADs to sponsor the draft and run it > through the IETF process. You can send comments to > draft-hall-censorship-tech@ietf.org, submit pull requests, or open > github issues against the document to get feedback to us. Of course, > if you're interested in contributing as a co-author, please let me > know and give me an idea of what you'd like to add and we can go from > there. >=20 > best, Joe >=20 > [1]: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hall-censorship-tech/ >=20 --e67mKnBeF1Ir0e8MafEj0ER52FT7qrRqb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJW7nBDAAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpDg8H/jgw9RoCJSXTfeO30RJ68OK6 xjwjauStSox8YscWoEm6n6/O6twDGoFDghRhyaF93/AoEwO+Apbqw1ReNlRmwFJ0 OeMvXz+K9mXnSGYI2EUpq8BUAZ9iWJF0+TdNsutabQO1jpir9PAr01F3MLuk5L8s q2854FF/MGYN/tvm8BwDXxE8+VwEdJRxzds6lhZvujo7tzmS/Uc+DdmhXrEji3KS DAWwqYbt5YSBrRIk1rwrXU6PKDbTRXeckGUpBo08Bg5xgiwIRUddxL3YAncQK11l XZmEp7D1BTmt5wm7NN2uc9KkzDFUPQRafgJQ6a+EV/c9zOmQIwHLBxzlhAJtd+M= =Kj3V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --e67mKnBeF1Ir0e8MafEj0ER52FT7qrRqb-- From nobody Sun Mar 20 03:19:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1F312D748 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 03:19:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cdt.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H8mEYMyE8ihm for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 03:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x232.google.com (mail-vk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1354512D74D for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 03:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x232.google.com with SMTP id e6so187130792vkh.2 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 03:19:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cdt.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=f3712nJFiFQCC+atXL30g4GZdF9FvHH93P6WraND6GE=; b=CLZIY1w6Qe+HhI4LElDtN0F2elqf0VzRHcRfv4QlgXyrIZ6AFyfbQs2rmfz9IXe+MJ YcBG3l1DWNeZGbYdNLNw6FokCzLx65XBgem/TmwC0T6OaOoLEUPLWFeZlKESIT1bv8Ns PJmWTc4qDVZKV4r1fyfqCfwMUm88g2X1NCEvQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=f3712nJFiFQCC+atXL30g4GZdF9FvHH93P6WraND6GE=; b=LJcLNjE/ZXTb0SjgyyNGdzXBw3GneUeZSzWO81PdDn7j1TNlTBybhb0jlTfy20UfxW 5HMcom+Hr73dcUBEz7vdZI9R4m89S6Si1HxU6hDxdCi8EmAOW9PQTUBZwITjv5qLnNM8 ldwLrkWFLW9QXOBu5Gt1ZyH2ea3jlWhhgLov5cHK3+FRBeukXRwQotK3V7j3ZBfZAYVK 5JDrn2Qb6s8il7zE6vUhrrpG/XT7+YopiOsXC+c8NeJ6KleeTkmZCehPMZco5MG6JRZ2 Xz5AmoE8vXqgo7Np3whS5o0Ma0t3xBmJExytWCFw3SPpntQb5W/NPPRp38r6aYTh1CSX 3sGw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJlT5aLDPx6dQulDwPNUw4cIsT7rcr44pFbX0KEu1FEsGUyJBx2i/rCa8t/XM4QNSkDZ7DzpwgMQeZHf6Ep MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.107.25 with SMTP id g25mr27386392vkc.15.1458469172110; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 03:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.70.215 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 03:19:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <56EE7043.7030800@article19.org> References: <56EE7043.7030800@article19.org> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 06:19:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall To: Niels ten Oever Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11478e04eb8034052e7850db Archived-At: Cc: "hrpc@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [hrpc] new draft of draft-hall-censorship-tech X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 10:19:35 -0000 --001a11478e04eb8034052e7850db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Happy to talk about it if there's time; probably don't need more than 10-15 minutes. cheers! On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Niels ten Oever wrote: > Thanks for this Joe, would you like a slot to discuss this in hrpc in > Buenos Aires? Remote presentation and discussion is also possible of > course. > > Best, > > Niels > > Niels ten Oever > Head of Digital > > Article 19 > www.article19.org > > PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 > 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 > > On 03/20/2016 12:34 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: > > Greetings SAAG and HRPC, > > > > In SAAG at IETF 91, I presented our draft on "A Survey of Worldwide > > Censorship Techniques" [1]. > > > > We've since updated the draft, preparing for an -02 version, and have > > hopefully addressed a set of comments from Stephane Bortzmeyer and > > Martin Nilsson: > > > > * repo: https://github.com/josephlhall/rfc-censorship-tech > > * ID text: > https://github.com/josephlhall/rfc-censorship-tech/blob/master/draft-hall-censorship-tech-latest.txt > > > > I'd love to get additional feedback before attempting to convince one > > of our overworked Security Area ADs to sponsor the draft and run it > > through the IETF process. You can send comments to > > draft-hall-censorship-tech@ietf.org , submit pull > requests, or open > > github issues against the document to get feedback to us. Of course, > > if you're interested in contributing as a co-author, please let me > > know and give me an idea of what you'd like to add and we can go from > > there. > > > > best, Joe > > > > [1]: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hall-censorship-tech/ > > > > -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 CDT's annual dinner, Tech Prom, is April 6, 2016! https://cdt.org/annual-dinner --001a11478e04eb8034052e7850db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy to talk about it if there's time; probably don't need more th= an 10-15 minutes. cheers!=C2=A0

On Sunday, March 20, 20= 16, Niels ten Oever <niels@articl= e19.org> wrote:
Thanks for this Jo= e, would you like a slot to discuss this in hrpc in
Buenos Aires? Remote presentation and discussion is also possible of
course.

Best,

Niels

Niels ten Oever
Head of Digital

Article 19
www.article19.org

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On 03/20/2016 12:34 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:
> Greetings SAAG and HRPC,
>
> In SAAG at IETF 91, I presented our draft on "A Survey of Worldwi= de
> Censorship Techniques" [1].
>
> We've since updated the draft, preparing for an -02 version, and h= ave
> hopefully addressed a set of comments from Stephane Bortzmeyer and
> Martin Nilsson:
>
> * repo: https://github.com/josephlhall/rfc-censorship-tech > * ID text: htt= ps://github.com/josephlhall/rfc-censorship-tech/blob/master/draft-hall-cens= orship-tech-latest.txt
>
> I'd love to get additional feedback before attempting to convince = one
> of our overworked Security Area ADs to sponsor the draft and run it > through the IETF process. You can send comments to
> draft-hall-censorship-tech@ietf.org= , submit pull requests, or open
> github issues against the document to get feedback to us. Of course, > if you're interested in contributing as a co-author, please let me=
> know and give me an idea of what you'd like to add and we can go f= rom
> there.
>
> best, Joe
>
> [1]: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hall-censo= rship-tech/
>



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CDT's annual dinner, Tech Prom, is April 6, 2016! https://cdt.org/annual-dinner<= /a>
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Name: draft-doria-hrpc-report Revision: 01 Title: HRPC - Report Document date: 2016-03-21 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 18 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-doria-hrpc-report-01.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-doria-hrpc-report/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doria-hrpc-report-01 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-doria-hrpc-report-01 Abstract: This document presents an overview snapshot of the HRPC project to map engineering concepts at the protocol level that may be related to human rights, with a focus on the promotion and protection of the freedom of expression and of association. It provides a framework while reporting on the study including: theoretical background, results and basic considerations. It will reference the detailed work being done on terminlogy and case studies documented in the research draft. It also folds in discussions from the research literature. 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--001a1145b1365afb37052f2f4969-- From nobody Wed Mar 30 07:33:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62A312D19D for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:33:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Q18yIYp2ioO for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.article19.io (vps784.greenhost.nl [213.108.108.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0633E12D161 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.article19.io (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36E0ACC01D for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 14:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.article19.io (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27FD32F3EDFF for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 14:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [145.18.163.216] (wcw-staff-145-18-163-216.wireless.uva.nl [145.18.163.216]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1F1432F3EDFA for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 14:33:04 +0000 (UTC) To: "hrpc@irtf.org" References: <56EABB20.2020502@article19.org> From: Niels ten Oever Message-ID: <56FBE39F.9030206@article19.org> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 16:33:03 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56EABB20.2020502@article19.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EhJxkLMQLUpM3I3TFQvHedex30s8jDMKB" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hrpc] Proposed agenda hrpc Buenos Aires X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 14:33:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --EhJxkLMQLUpM3I3TFQvHedex30s8jDMKB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, As per the offer from Joe Hall to discuss https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hall-censorship-tech in hrpc, please find the new agenda for the hrpc session below. Best, Niels Human Rights Protocols Considerations (hrpc) research group sessions at #IETF95 17:40 - 19:40 UTC-3, April 4 2016 - Beginning (5 min) Jabber scribe, note takers Agenda Bashing Notewell Introduction - Status of research group (5 min) - Context of research (5 mins) - Discussion introduction website https://hrpc.io (5 mins) - Presentation + Q&A - Ramsey Nasser on =E2=80=98kalbe=E2=80=99 [=D9=82=D9= =84=D8=A8] a programming language entirely written in Arabic and the issues he came across while developing this (15 mins) - Presentation + Q&A - Geoffrey Bowker on Values in Design and difficulties surrounding engineering for social values (15 mins) - Presentation + Q&A - Nick Doty on privacy adoption in Internet and web standard setting, and how this could be applied in developing human rights guidelines (15 mins) - Discussion of research draft, including first version of considerations (15 mins) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tenoever-hrpc-research - Discussion of report draft (15 mins) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doria-hrpc-report - Discussion of censorship draft (10 mins) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hall-censorship-tech - Open discussion other drafts, papers, ideas (15 min) - Next steps (5 min) - AOB Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 On 03/17/2016 03:11 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote: > Dear all, >=20 > I would like to invite you all to propose agenda items for the agenda o= f > our meeting in Buenos Aires on Monday. >=20 > Please find underneath a proposed, rough, initial agenda: >=20 > Human Rights Protocols Considerations (hrpc) research group sessions at= > #IETF95 17:40 - 19:40 UTC-3, April 4 2016 - >=20 > - Beginning (5 min) > Jabber scribe, note takers > Agenda Bashing > Notewell > Introduction > - Status of research group (5 min) > - Context of research (10 mins) > - Discussion introduction website https://hrpc.io (5 mins) > - Presentation + Q&A - Ramsey Nasser on =E2=80=98kalbe=E2=80=99 [=D9=82= =D9=84=D8=A8] a programming > language entirely written in Arabic and the issues he came across while= > developing this (15 mins) > - Presentation + Q&A - Geoffrey Bowker on Values in Design and > difficulties surrounding engineering for social values (15 mins) > - Presentation + Q&A - Nick Doty on privacy adoption in Internet and we= b > standard setting, and how this could be applied in developing human > rights guidelines (15 mins) > - Discussion of research draft, including first version of > considerations (15 minutes) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tenoever-hrpc-research > - Discussion of report draft > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doria-hrpc-report > - Open discussion other drafts, papers, ideas (20 min) > - Next steps (5 min) > - AOB >=20 > Looking forward to your suggestions and comments, also as pull requests= : > https://github.com/nllz/IRTF-HRPC/blob/master/Agenda%20hrpc%20IETF95.tx= t >=20 > Best, >=20 > Niels >=20 > PS Finally I was thinking of organizing a 'civil society (friendly) > dinner' in a vegetarian restaurant after our session in the following > venue at 20:00: >=20 > Green Life > Av. Corrientes 1915, > C1045AAB CABA > Buenos Aires > Argentina >=20 > Feel free to invite other civil society (friendly) people as well, but > please register in this Dudle (and encourage others to do so as well): > https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/ietfcsmeetup/ so I can make reservatio= ns. >=20 > No host - for menu and prices see: > https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g312741-d7594450-Reviews-= Green_Life-Buenos_Aires_Capital_Federal_District.html >=20 --EhJxkLMQLUpM3I3TFQvHedex30s8jDMKB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJW++OfAAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpOisH/jydBx/+7+Ju3fQqkMaBK+rD qn/Ob0GLTeOsbM8+Zr/qpZuxlG6hDGqaLiC186OhLUfrs6X3bNd8S4874/wq7HYP AQ5ck68QWEPPugXXPzQc0IvbSGtg3jRw9wlyQkDiLavt+kxTQ5DJyDfujNEYgABu +iZJtco909+9eGGbWXIKfTZmAKc7TiJcKzSBTKUnudFYpKM6z8cpNvXBick65vRo Qt0ranKWnnK52nFGw/CLIDyYK4eq9etLelrd7MEjok9bGcDX/gY2AK1ph7cJzqlW /LD8PJF4G9LSf2S/+tbcFs7/KwlsDz8Go5rSRg68+hcpRGk97cjojakqKkiAY+Q= =g5xc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EhJxkLMQLUpM3I3TFQvHedex30s8jDMKB-- From nobody Thu Mar 31 04:18:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3F912D12C for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 04:18:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rl042Bhw_MBR for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 04:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.article19.io (vps784.greenhost.nl [213.108.108.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47F1412D127 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 04:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.article19.io (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DAC7CC006; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 11:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.article19.io (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF891CC00C; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 11:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.71] (sd5112335.adsl.online.nl [213.17.35.53]) by mail.article19.io (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D7C4BCC006; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 11:18:32 +0000 (UTC) To: bzs@theworld.com, Pranesh Prakash References: <56BA0C8D.7030207@article19.org> <56D74AB1.7060306@cis-india.org> <56D7707C.7020506@article19.org> <22232.42213.752725.338076@pcls8.std.com> <56D92023.1060408@cis-india.org> <22235.22445.548487.384291@pcls8.std.com> From: Niels ten Oever X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56FD0788.8000105@article19.org> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:18:32 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <22235.22445.548487.384291@pcls8.std.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mLkT0gnMa2fUxshfUAxUscXXdqbCF4eRU" Archived-At: Cc: "hrpc@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft human rights considerations X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 11:18:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --mLkT0gnMa2fUxshfUAxUscXXdqbCF4eRU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I have been pondering on this topic for quite a bit am I think Pranesh i actually right. The description being presumed innocent in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) as well as other documents strictly refer to the court of law. Eventhough in a common sense understanding I think we could fit this under it, I think we should not let ourselves be tempted to do so, since it might undermine the credibility of the argument as a whole. It also helps that the importance of security, privacy and anonymity are covered under freedom of expression, non-discrimination, equal protection, and freedom of assembly and the right to security. So as per the suggestion of Pranesh I have removed the 'right to be presumed innocent' from the document, as can be seen here: https://github.com/nllz/IRTF-HRPC/blob/master/draft-research.md Other suggestions and comments are of course more than welcome. Best, Niels Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 On 03/05/2016 11:03 PM, bzs@theworld.com wrote: >=20 > The Scalia et al dissent beginning on page 33 of this SCOTUS decision > does a pretty good job of connecting the dots between "presumption of > innocence", "reasonable cause", and 4th amendment protections. >=20 > http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-207_d18e.pdf >=20 > The Exclusionary Rule also provides a bridge between the concepts by > making evidence not obtained via reasonable cause etc inadmissible. >=20 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusionary_rule >=20 > But ultimately this is a question, particularly in terms of > international law, better answered by someone more versed in these > matters than I am. >=20 > On March 4, 2016 at 11:11 pranesh@cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash) wrote= : > > bzs@theworld.com [2016-03-03 15:56:05 -0500]: > > > > > > On 03/02/2016 09:18 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: > > >> How is the right to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise l= inked > > >> to anonymity, "privacy", or "security" as defined in the HRPC glo= ssary?=3D > > > > > > A presumption of innocence underlies protections against unreasona= ble > > > searches and seizures which I hope connects those dots. > >=20 > > Not really. > >=20 > > A 'presumption of innocence' isn't a presumption applicable to all=20 > > persons, but to accused persons during a criminal trial. > >=20 > > Article 11 of the UDHR states: > > (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presu= med=20 > > innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at w= hich=20 > > he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. > > (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of = any=20 > > act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under nati= onal=20 > > or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a= =20 > > heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the t= ime=20 > > the penal offence was committed. > >=20 > > So, it isn't presumption of innocence that protects persons against = > > unreasonable searches and seizures. > >=20 > > --=20 > > Pranesh Prakash > > Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society > > http://cis-india.org | tel:+91 80 40926283 > > sip:pranesh@ostel.co | xmpp:pranesh@cis-india.org > > https://twitter.com/pranesh > >=20 > > x[DELETED ATTACHMENT signature.asc, application/pgp-signature] >=20 --mLkT0gnMa2fUxshfUAxUscXXdqbCF4eRU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJW/QeIAAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpoiQIAKWOlwUOPGVfI1LjfPn40JDz HsQytiCY+pWzPlckhgBfYUjTKcAFhmo3BJXpR6RY+NtAnYpTkmw3iNgsgRYDZpSx 5NAKtTXugMpzmmoPoojHPXK1i9A2u3Lhkqqdei7XsM2fwnf7Q5buKCqEbR5X8aMM sjOixVfbwfEdqzabeMUxdQ68GlVZLj2GqxJxQb+Vr+Q0J6ZVax/6Qeih4xxw9aME w4dvPhphPaV5NwMAMDKC+xB3xnKb37qPEUK855pfkO9v/RhpubQZORZqxu+fh8bQ fcXc2l7nXI9CMGFsyzCPEKnnMdnmPXCX8Aqz7EsK+EMxbZQOGVJtFqpAnBq0b84= =pJ9/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mLkT0gnMa2fUxshfUAxUscXXdqbCF4eRU-- From nobody Thu Mar 31 22:01:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C2212D120 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:01:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cdt.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bXq1tGE3Tmea for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x235.google.com (mail-yw0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 364F312D0E6 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x235.google.com with SMTP id g127so134171496ywf.2 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:01:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cdt.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=f2sMJe+gkXoV29YeYjTnBmZYA+X8PqrfuLV+4vTO+5I=; b=UGh6F5WyiAB/c+jA9Diz+1vaHXyfZo9c3lGjxeElG0Lw1mDgYY3h9Wu/QqwG/g6Oyg K38vi72RGg1OaNoyBgt6gG57n4a3dBzdFzCVpOUeufD86m6qJkUkegCyOFunqBH7uAR9 OXyTnEuj7b+cI27jsS7gUowGhwCkNXMdOrd2A= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=f2sMJe+gkXoV29YeYjTnBmZYA+X8PqrfuLV+4vTO+5I=; b=bQRUTlQtafQcN1twRUE6sdxY0OFXAJPHa+2x+/CGSLIhuXIhJZ8mtvEnOETb34DaXZ MswR5lxfgpaLO99ahWvxRuzD2FVAN4ypC4+5B/KtA5X3kRewIZpC5+OfiwNYnFKPAYhL NgLaPeQRXsahGkJglFe9xAeXV19ebZIP4fF77HCENavoqkFisp3G/oDXQ2MpOhSFFcBd NP7E1HX0z0Qaosu9s2FvzvJ2ZW49l3F5qjb+Ur65KM7c4lRMOd2a43kIqsyyHItS2RoR u2OF6p7EQZixJ6K+TAfsPZXoGZ7NZCHZzkooGZ3rowxK5yPrfA79Uy0Aae2lFuA0WCZh YZIw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJL0++4qhA+sNn1UzVBtoZrJnaQtBIsdxTbKcHpAIwORqSbevX3zhwvivN8nWCZQ3no6QE0PWeGpOai8TQG5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.159.40.9 with SMTP id c9mr1163576uac.146.1459486899237; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.94.3 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:01:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <56FBE39F.9030206@article19.org> References: <56EABB20.2020502@article19.org> <56FBE39F.9030206@article19.org> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:01:39 -0700 Message-ID: From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall To: Niels ten Oever Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c1242f42f0c88052f65460f Archived-At: Cc: "hrpc@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [hrpc] Proposed agenda hrpc Buenos Aires X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "niels@article19.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2016 05:01:43 -0000 --94eb2c1242f42f0c88052f65460f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable very much looking forward to it... I hope everyone is reading drafts and ready to rock! ::) On Wednesday, March 30, 2016, Niels ten Oever wrote: > Hi all, > > As per the offer from Joe Hall to discuss > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hall-censorship-tech in hrpc, please > find the new agenda for the hrpc session below. > > Best, > > Niels > > Human Rights Protocols Considerations (hrpc) research group sessions at > #IETF95 17:40 - 19:40 UTC-3, April 4 2016 > > - Beginning (5 min) > Jabber scribe, note takers > Agenda Bashing > Notewell > Introduction > - Status of research group (5 min) > - Context of research (5 mins) > - Discussion introduction website https://hrpc.io (5 mins) > - Presentation + Q&A - Ramsey Nasser on =E2=80=98kalbe=E2=80=99 [=D9=82= =D9=84=D8=A8] a programming > language entirely written in Arabic and the issues he came across while > developing this (15 mins) > - Presentation + Q&A - Geoffrey Bowker on Values in Design and > difficulties surrounding engineering for social values (15 mins) > - Presentation + Q&A - Nick Doty on privacy adoption in Internet and web > standard setting, and how this could be applied in developing human > rights guidelines (15 mins) > - Discussion of research draft, including first version of > considerations (15 mins) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tenoever-hrpc-research > - Discussion of report draft (15 mins) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doria-hrpc-report > - Discussion of censorship draft (10 mins) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hall-censorship-tech > - Open discussion other drafts, papers, ideas (15 min) > - Next steps (5 min) > - AOB > > > Niels ten Oever > Head of Digital > > Article 19 > www.article19.org > > PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 > 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 > > On 03/17/2016 03:11 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > I would like to invite you all to propose agenda items for the agenda o= f > > our meeting in Buenos Aires on Monday. > > > > Please find underneath a proposed, rough, initial agenda: > > > > Human Rights Protocols Considerations (hrpc) research group sessions at > > #IETF95 17:40 - 19:40 UTC-3, April 4 2016 - > > > > - Beginning (5 min) > > Jabber scribe, note takers > > Agenda Bashing > > Notewell > > Introduction > > - Status of research group (5 min) > > - Context of research (10 mins) > > - Discussion introduction website https://hrpc.io (5 mins) > > - Presentation + Q&A - Ramsey Nasser on =E2=80=98kalbe=E2=80=99 [=D9=82= =D9=84=D8=A8] a programming > > language entirely written in Arabic and the issues he came across while > > developing this (15 mins) > > - Presentation + Q&A - Geoffrey Bowker on Values in Design and > > difficulties surrounding engineering for social values (15 mins) > > - Presentation + Q&A - Nick Doty on privacy adoption in Internet and we= b > > standard setting, and how this could be applied in developing human > > rights guidelines (15 mins) > > - Discussion of research draft, including first version of > > considerations (15 minutes) > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tenoever-hrpc-research > > - Discussion of report draft > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doria-hrpc-report > > - Open discussion other drafts, papers, ideas (20 min) > > - Next steps (5 min) > > - AOB > > > > Looking forward to your suggestions and comments, also as pull requests= : > > https://github.com/nllz/IRTF-HRPC/blob/master/Agenda%20hrpc%20IETF95.tx= t > > > > Best, > > > > Niels > > > > PS Finally I was thinking of organizing a 'civil society (friendly) > > dinner' in a vegetarian restaurant after our session in the following > > venue at 20:00: > > > > Green Life > > Av. Corrientes 1915, > > C1045AAB CABA > > Buenos Aires > > Argentina > > > > Feel free to invite other civil society (friendly) people as well, but > > please register in this Dudle (and encourage others to do so as well): > > https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/ietfcsmeetup/ so I can make > reservations. > > > > No host - for menu and prices see: > > > https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g312741-d7594450-Reviews-Gr= een_Life-Buenos_Aires_Capital_Federal_District.html > > > > --=20 Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 CDT's annual dinner, Tech Prom, is April 6, 2016! https://cdt.org/annual-dinner --94eb2c1242f42f0c88052f65460f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable very much looking forward to it... I hope everyone is reading drafts and re= ady to rock! =C2=A0::)

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016, Ni= els ten Oever <niels@article19.or= g> wrote:
Hi all,

As per the offer from Joe Hall to discuss
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hall-censorship-tech in h= rpc, please
find the new agenda for the hrpc session below.

Best,

Niels

Human Rights Protocols Considerations (hrpc) research group sessions at
#IETF95 17:40 - 19:40 UTC-3, April 4 2016

- Beginning (5 min)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jabber scribe, note takers
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Agenda Bashing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Notewell
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Introduction
- Status of research group (5 min)
- Context of research (5 mins)
- Discussion introduction website https://hrpc.io (5 mins)
- Presentation + Q&A - Ramsey Nasser on =E2=80=98kalbe=E2=80=99 [=D9=82= =D9=84=D8=A8] a programming
language entirely written in Arabic and the issues he came across while
developing this (15 mins)
- Presentation + Q&A - Geoffrey Bowker on Values in Design and
difficulties surrounding engineering for social values (15 mins)
- Presentation + Q&A - Nick Doty on privacy adoption in Internet and we= b
standard setting, and how this could be applied in developing human
rights guidelines (15 mins)
- Discussion of research draft, including first version of
considerations (15 mins)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-t= enoever-hrpc-research
- Discussion of report draft (15 mins)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doria-= hrpc-report
- Discussion of censorship draft (10 mins)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hal= l-censorship-tech
- Open discussion other drafts, papers, ideas (15 min)
- Next steps (5 min)
- AOB


Niels ten Oever
Head of Digital

Article 19
www.article19.org

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On 03/17/2016 03:11 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I would like to invite you all to propose agenda items for the agenda = of
> our meeting in Buenos Aires on Monday.
>
> Please find underneath a proposed, rough, initial agenda:
>
> Human Rights Protocols Considerations (hrpc) research group sessions a= t
> #IETF95 17:40 - 19:40 UTC-3, April 4 2016 -
>
> - Beginning (5 min)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Jabber scribe, note takers
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Agenda Bashing
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Notewell
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Introduction
> - Status of research group (5 min)
> - Context of research (10 mins)
> - Discussion introduction website https://hrpc.io (5 mins)
> - Presentation + Q&A - Ramsey Nasser on =E2=80=98kalbe=E2=80=99 [= =D9=82=D9=84=D8=A8] a programming
> language entirely written in Arabic and the issues he came across whil= e
> developing this (15 mins)
> - Presentation + Q&A - Geoffrey Bowker on Values in Design and
> difficulties surrounding engineering for social values=C2=A0 (15 mins)=
> - Presentation + Q&A - Nick Doty on privacy adoption in Internet a= nd web
> standard setting, and how this could be applied in developing human > rights guidelines (15 mins)
> - Discussion of research draft, including first version of
> considerations (15 minutes)
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tenoever-hrpc-research
> - Discussion of report draft
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doria-hrpc-report
> - Open discussion other drafts, papers, ideas (20 min)
> - Next steps (5 min)
> - AOB
>
> Looking forward to your suggestions and comments, also as pull request= s:
> https://github.com/nllz/IRTF-HRPC/blob/mas= ter/Agenda%20hrpc%20IETF95.txt
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
> PS Finally I was thinking of organizing a 'civil society (friendly= )
> dinner' in a vegetarian restaurant after our session in the follow= ing
> venue at 20:00:
>
> Green Life
> Av. Corrientes 1915,
> C1045AAB CABA
> Buenos Aires
> Argentina
>
> Feel free to invite other civil society (friendly) people as well, but=
> please register in this Dudle (and encourage others to do so as well):=
> https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/ietfcsmeetup/=C2=A0 so I can make= reservations.
>
> No host - for menu and prices see:
> https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g312741-d7594450-= Reviews-Green_Life-Buenos_Aires_Capital_Federal_District.html
>



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