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Hi all,

I would like to share two opportunities to take up work in the IETF (and
beyond) with ARTICLE 19.

1. The first is a Senior Programme Officer position to lead our IETF and
ICANN portfolio. You can find this open call here:

2. Second, we have three fellowship positions open to cover these areas:

 * Algorithmic decision making in both established and emerging spaces,
like the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) and
the Partnership on AI (PAI).
 * Public Interest Internet Standards in the IRTF and IETF.
 * Radio Network Hardware in either the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards
Committee (LMSC) or the Third Generation Partnership Project (3GPP).

Each Fellow will be expected to participate in three Internet
governance-related meetings over the course of the year. Costs incurred
during participation in meetings and conferences as part of this program
will be covered by the Fellowship. Fellows will also receive a monthly
honorarium of USD 300 over the duration of their fellowship.

You can find instructions to apply to the fellowship here:
https://share.article19.io/index.php/s/f9SzmAYzBizdMg5

Thanks for sharing,
-Mallory
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Apologies, here the link to the Senior Programme Officer position:
https://article.peoplehr.net/Pages/JobBoard/Opening.aspx?v=c85cdc59-d757-4f17-b44e-86af66e7ca14

On 01/02/2019 14:26, Mallory Knodel wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I would like to share two opportunities to take up work in the IETF
> (and beyond) with ARTICLE 19.
> 
> 1. The first is a Senior Programme Officer position to lead our IETF
> and ICANN portfolio. You can find this open call here:
> https://article.peoplehr.net/Pages/JobBoard/Opening.aspx?v=c85cdc59-d757-4f17-b44e-86af66e7ca14
>
>  2. Second, we have three fellowship positions open to cover these
> areas:
> 
> * Algorithmic decision making in both established and emerging
> spaces, like the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers
> (IEEE) and the Partnership on AI (PAI). * Public Interest Internet
> Standards in the IRTF and IETF. * Radio Network Hardware in either
> the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) or the Third
> Generation Partnership Project (3GPP).
> 
> Each Fellow will be expected to participate in three Internet 
> governance-related meetings over the course of the year. Costs
> incurred during participation in meetings and conferences as part of
> this program will be covered by the Fellowship. Fellows will also
> receive a monthly honorarium of USD 300 over the duration of their
> fellowship.
> 
> You can find instructions to apply to the fellowship here: 
> https://share.article19.io/index.php/s/f9SzmAYzBizdMg5
> 
> Thanks for sharing, -Mallory
> 


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Dear HRPC folks

I just want to inform you that Alexey (area director ART, CC) kindly
created us a mailing list, which explicitly mentions HRPC work with RFC
8280 as a guiding document (by some of its principles) to achieve
privacy in a usable, interoperable and decentralized manner (e.g., for
email & XMPP):

Sign up here:

https://www.ietf.org/mailman/admin/medup/members/list


MEDUP =3D {Missing Elements for Decentralized and Usable Privacy}

Description:

"This list is for discussions of enhancements to application protocols
for usable privacy.

RFC 8280 has identified and documented important principles in such as
Data Minimization, End-to-End and Interoperability in order to enable
access to Human Rights. While (partial) implementations of these
concepts are already available, today's applications widely lack Privacy
support that ordinary users can easily handle.

In MEDUP these issues are addressed based on Opportunistic Security (RFC
7435) principles. Updates/usage clarifications to application level
protocols such as email and XMPP are in scope."


As soon as some more people are subscribed, Bernie & me will bring up
some discussions on pretty Easy privacy (pEp) drafts, where also
(increasingly) practical software already exists and which is designed
and implemented along the lines described above, even thought we might
be missing elements or need to change some of them in order to better
meet the principles we strive for.

By that, the list is of course open to contributions of other projects
with similar goals, which -- discussing with each other -- can find the
best solutions in protocols and formats to meet important HRPC
principles for usable privacy. That's also the reason why the list name,
spelled out, is immediately descriptive. :)


Greets & nice WE!

Hernani

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On 01.02.19 18:49, Hern=C3=A2ni Marques (p=E2=89=A1p foundation) wrote:

> Sign up here:
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Oups, wrong link (too many tabs, sorry xD):

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Hello Hernani,

I think that easy end-to-end email encryption is overdue and I welcome any =
effort to get there. However, now speaking as a major email server software=
 vendor, I would like to understand better the scope of this initiative; th=
e charter says that updating "application level protocols such as email" (w=
hich by the way is not clear in itself, since there is no "email" protocol =
but there are several) is in the scope of this mailing list, which however =
is not an IETF working group (is it expected to lead to one?).

Now, if you want to update IMAP, there's already an IETF WG (EXTRA) that do=
es that, not to mention the JMAP WG if you prefer JMAP. There's nothing for=
 SMTP as far as I know, but even in that case I am sure there would be many=
 other parties that would need to join such a discussion, and they are defi=
nitely not on HRPC. Also, the IRTF already has PEARG for more speculative d=
iscussion, and its charter includes these matters.

Bottom line: I am happily joining the mailing list, but I would like to und=
erstand what's the plan, and how this differs from all these other efforts =
up to the point of requiring yet another mailing list that I have to subscr=
ibe to :-)

Ciao,


>     Il 1 febbraio 2019 alle 18.49 "Hern=C3=A2ni Marques (p=E2=89=A1p foun=
dation)" < hernani.marques@pep.foundation mailto:hernani.marques@pep.founda=
tion > ha scritto:
>=20
>=20
>     Dear HRPC folks
>=20
>     I just want to inform you that Alexey (area director ART, CC) kindly
>     created us a mailing list, which explicitly mentions HRPC work with R=
FC
>     8280 as a guiding document (by some of its principles) to achieve
>     privacy in a usable, interoperable and decentralized manner (e.g., fo=
r
>     email & XMPP):
>=20
>     Sign up here:
>=20
>     https://www.ietf.org/mailman/admin/medup/members/list
>=20
>=20
>     MEDUP =3D {Missing Elements for Decentralized and Usable Privacy}
>=20
>     Description:
>=20
>     "This list is for discussions of enhancements to application protocol=
s
>     for usable privacy.
>=20
>     RFC 8280 has identified and documented important principles in such a=
s
>     Data Minimization, End-to-End and Interoperability in order to enable
>     access to Human Rights. While (partial) implementations of these
>     concepts are already available, today's applications widely lack Priv=
acy
>     support that ordinary users can easily handle.
>=20
>     In MEDUP these issues are addressed based on Opportunistic Security (=
RFC
>     7435) principles. Updates/usage clarifications to application level
>     protocols such as email and XMPP are in scope."
>=20
>=20
>     As soon as some more people are subscribed, Bernie & me will bring up
>     some discussions on pretty Easy privacy (pEp) drafts, where also
>     (increasingly) practical software already exists and which is designe=
d
>     and implemented along the lines described above, even thought we migh=
t
>     be missing elements or need to change some of them in order to better
>     meet the principles we strive for.
>=20
>     By that, the list is of course open to contributions of other project=
s
>     with similar goals, which -- discussing with each other -- can find t=
he
>     best solutions in protocols and formats to meet important HRPC
>     principles for usable privacy. That's also the reason why the list na=
me,
>     spelled out, is immediately descriptive. :)
>=20
>=20
>     Greets & nice WE!
>=20
>     Hernani
>=20
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   Hello Hernani,
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   <br>
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  <div>
   I think that easy end-to-end email encryption is overdue and I welcome a=
ny effort to get there. However, now speaking as a major email server softw=
are vendor, I would like to understand better the scope of this initiative;=
 the charter says that updating "application level protocols such as email"=
 (which by the way is not clear in itself, since there is no "email" protoc=
ol but there are several) is in the scope of this mailing list, which howev=
er is not an IETF working group (is it expected to lead to one?).=20
  </div>
  <div>
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   Now, if you want to update IMAP, there's already an IETF WG (EXTRA) that=
 does that, not to mention the JMAP WG if you prefer JMAP. There's nothing =
for SMTP as far as I know, but even in that case I am sure there would be m=
any other parties that would need to join such a discussion, and they are d=
efinitely not on HRPC. Also, the IRTF already has PEARG for more speculativ=
e discussion, and its charter includes these matters.
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   Bottom line: I am happily joining the mailing list, but I would like to =
understand what's the plan, and how this differs from all these other effor=
ts up to the point of requiring yet another mailing list that I have to sub=
scribe to :-)
   <br>
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   Ciao,
   <br>
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    Il 1 febbraio 2019 alle 18.49 "Hern=C3=A2ni Marques (p=E2=89=A1p founda=
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    Dear HRPC folks
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    <br>
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   <div>
    I just want to inform you that Alexey (area director ART, CC) kindly
   </div>
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    created us a mailing list, which explicitly mentions HRPC work with RFC
   </div>
   <div>
    8280 as a guiding document (by some of its principles) to achieve
   </div>
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    privacy in a usable, interoperable and decentralized manner (e.g., for
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    email &amp; XMPP):
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    Sign up here:
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    <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/admin/medup/members/list" rel=
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    MEDUP =3D {Missing Elements for Decentralized and Usable Privacy}
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    <br>
   </div>
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    Description:
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    "This list is for discussions of enhancements to application protocols
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    for usable privacy.
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    RFC 8280 has identified and documented important principles in such as
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    Data Minimization, End-to-End and Interoperability in order to enable
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    access to Human Rights. While (partial) implementations of these
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   <div>
    <br>
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    As soon as some more people are subscribed, Bernie &amp; me will bring =
up
   </div>
   <div>
    some discussions on pretty Easy privacy (pEp) drafts, where also
   </div>
   <div>
    (increasingly) practical software already exists and which is designed
   </div>
   <div>
    and implemented along the lines described above, even thought we might
   </div>
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    be missing elements or need to change some of them in order to better
   </div>
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    meet the principles we strive for.
   </div>
   <div>
    <br>
   </div>
   <div>
    By that, the list is of course open to contributions of other projects
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    with similar goals, which -- discussing with each other -- can find the
   </div>
   <div>
    best solutions in protocols and formats to meet important HRPC
   </div>
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    principles for usable privacy. That's also the reason why the list name=
,
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    spelled out, is immediately descriptive. :)
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Dear Vittorio

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, Vittorio Bertola wrote:

> Hello Hernani,

As your questions are mainly related to IETF process, Hernani asked me to 
answer your email.

> I think that easy end-to-end email encryption is overdue and I welcome 
> any effort to get there. However, now speaking as a major email server 
> software vendor, I would like to understand better the scope of this 
> initiative; the charter says

I presume you are refering to the Maling list description (as there is 
no charter for MEDUP at this point in time).

> that updating "application level protocols such as email" (which by the 
> way is not clear in itself, since there is no "email" protocol but there 
> are several) is in the scope of this mailing list,

With respect to email MEDUP includes mainly RFC822 or rather its latest 
successor: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322

> which however is not an IETF working group (is it expected to lead to 
> one?).

We are working on a BoF proposal with the intention to form an IETF 
Working Group.

> Now, if you want to update IMAP, there's already an IETF WG (EXTRA) that 
> does that, not to mention the JMAP WG if you prefer JMAP.

MEDUP is not specific to IMAP.

> There's nothing for SMTP as far as I know,

MEDUP is not specific to SMTP either.

> but even in that case I am sure there would be many other parties that 
> would need to join such a discussion, and they are definitely not on 
> HRPC.

Feel free to inform other parties about this mailing list as you deem 
useful.

> Also, the IRTF already has PEARG for more speculative discussion, 
> and its charter includes these matters.

The PEARG list has been informed already.

> Bottom line: I am happily joining the mailing list, but I would like to 
> understand what's the plan, and how this differs from all these other 
> efforts up to the point of requiring yet another mailing list that I 
> have to subscribe to :-)

Please find more information on:
- https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/medup/mbrbhFekt_srXShzpCa4RiXgPbY
- https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/pearg/oBjgAwG3_eoR6tpLQGTE_9OggzQ
The former also includes a list of Internet-Drafts describing the MEDUP 
challenges.

You may also want to visit https://pep.foundation to find more 
information on the topic.

Hope that helps!

cheers,
  Bernie


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Human Rights Protocol Considerations RG of the IRTF.

        Title           : Freedom of Association on the Internet
        Authors         : Niels ten Oever
                          Gisela Perez de Acha
	Filename        : draft-irtf-hrpc-association-01.txt
	Pages           : 24
	Date            : 2019-02-14

Abstract:
   This document establishes the causal link between the Internet
   architecture and the ability of people to excercise their right to
   freedom of assembly and association online.  The Internet
   increasingly mediates our lives, our relationships and our ability to
   exercise our human rights.  As a forum, it provides a global public
   space despite being built on predominantly private infrastructure.
   Since Internet protocols play a central role in the management,
   development and use of the Internet, the relation between protocols
   and the aforementioned rights should be analyzed and any adverse
   impacts should be mitigated.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-hrpc-association-01

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Dear all,

There is a new version of draft-association which you can find here:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hrpc-association/

In this draft we have sought to address all the issues that have been brought up, especially addressing the concerns brought up by the co-chairs.

We have spent a significant amount of time rewriting the methodology and clarifying the relationship with RC8280, both in terms of functionality, but also how these two relate in terms of research design. The research design has been extensively discussed and reviewed in a methodology workshop for social science methods at the University of Amsterdam. We large followed Gerrings' Criterial Framework. 

Next to that we also create two different discussions, on pertaining the the relation between the two specific rights and Internet architecture and protocols, and one pertaining protocols vs platforms. 

We also strengthened the interrelation between RFC8280 and this draft by outlining where the guidelines from RFC8280 interlinked with the discussed cases.

With this we hope to have followed the advised from the co-chairs and further the work outlined as the first objective of the hrpc charter, namely:

[charter]
This research has these major aims:

* To expose the relation between protocols and human rights, with a focus on
the rights to freedom of expression and freedom of assembly.
[/charter]

Best,

Niels and Gisela


On 11/27/18 7:47 PM, Mallory Knodel wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 27/11/2018 13:32, avri doria wrote:
>>
>> In terms of not including considerations in the Association draft, or at
>> at least analysis of considerations: this is a consensus I do not
>> remember the RG reaching on this RG draft. I understand the editors may
>> not think it necessary, but does the RG agree?  I do not think this
>> issue has been adequately discussed or decided on.  What do others think?
>>
>> Personally, I see it as incomplete without at least an analysis of how
>> the existing considerations affect and are affected by including
>> association in the consideration complex. Are we considering new
>> considerations for every  right (hope not) or are we looking for how
>> other considerations affect the considerations we are already
>> experimenting with so that we can build a well formed and tested set of
>> human rights considerations.
> 
> I think we don't want new considerations, but it would make sense to
> perhaps deepen, or address, the existing considerations on association,
> otherwise there is not much connection between them.
> 
> One suggestion is to perhaps bring forward the relevant 8280 sections by
> expanding a paragraph starting with this sentence:
> 
> "[RFC8280] established the relationship between human
>    rights and Internet protocols, therefore in this document we seek to
>    uncover the relation between two specific human rights and the
>    Internet infrastructure and architecture."
> 
>> With RFC8280 we established an experimental framework.  We formed a
>> hypothesis based on text analysis and deductive reasoning. In creating
>> the considerations we created a research framework that could be used to
>> test whether the principles that drove those considerations are the
>> right considerations, and would make a human rights difference on th
>> Internet of not. And would it be a positive difference?  I believe we
>> still have a ways to go in proving, or at least failing to falsify as
>> the case may be, our hypotheses and our framework.
>>
>> I believe the group has basically accepted the common human rights
>> principle that the various human rights are inextricably interlinked. If
>> that is the case, then any right we begin to work on has to fit within,
>> and modify as necessary, the original framework of RFC8280. I think the
>> Association draft has yet to do this and should.  What do other people
>> think?
> 
> Taking this further, I think it wouldn't be much work to achieve what
> Avri is suggesting. For each of your cases in subsections 6.* you could
> add a conclusion that offers suggestions for how protocols should
> protect association and assembly.
> 
>> Or does Association-00 intend to propose abandoning the framework
>> established with RFC8280? I suppose that too could be a reasoned way to
>> proceed, but I do not see that argument in the current draft either.
>>
>> On the cases and examples, I have not seen a RG agreement on the
>> validity of the cases and their description or analysis. I think they
>> may be a good place to start.  In terms of the conclusion, the doc is
>> claiming a RG consensus on conclusions I am not sure I have seen.  Have
>> I missed consensus on the cases, their analysis and the conclusions we
>> draw from them. Seen some conversation but not enough to convince me
>> that the RG agrees with the narrative. I see LC as time to confirm a
>> consensus seen and give everyone a last chance, not a mechanism for
>> drawing out issues.  We can do consensus calls on various points of
>> disagreement to try and draw out the issues, and perhaps we should as we
>> move forward on these RG drafts.
> 
> It might be worth reaching out to experts within working groups that are
> related to each case in sections 6.* for their feedback, if you haven't
> done so already.
> 
>> As a co-chair, I think what we have in association-00 is a partial
>> introduction to work we need to do. I think the group  needs to do the
>> research, think about how it affects the considerations framework and
>> reach consensus of the various cases and analyses before we can consider
>> publishing this as a RG work effort.  I think we need to do the work
>> beyond the scholastic hypothesis formation.  This might be a good
>> treatment for a conference paper or a journal article, though, and that
>> might be a useful side track to take if something must be published
>> based on external publication pressure.
> 
> I would argue for making this draft good for this group first and then
> to spin off other sections or versions that might be received well in
> other journals. I say that mostly because association and assembly are
> core to our charter and we should get it right.
> 
> -Mallory
> 
>>
>> On 26-Nov-18 04:16, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>>> Hi Avri,
>>>
>>> On 11/20/18 8:36 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>>>> On 11/20/18 7:14 AM, avri@doria.org wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> A quick reply. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not see this draft as having reached consensus in the group and
>>>>> last call is at at the discretion of the co-chairs when they both think
>>>>> the draft is ready and they have the consensus of the group for moving
>>>>> toward publication.  I have not done a consensus call because I do not
>>>>> see consensus as having been reached.  If there is rough consensus in
>>>>> the group that this is a draft is ready for publication then we can move
>>>>> forward.  I do not think we are at that point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I see the draft as more an analysis and polemic than a
>>>>> research draft at this point. It starts out well with theoretic
>>>>> discussion, a hypothetical position and some outlining of cases, but
>>>>> does not establish a research path and does not suggest any protocol
>>>>> considerations, the goal of the RG.  We are a research group and need
>>>>> for the documents to relate to a research goal.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot for your feedback.
>>>>
>>>> As presented during IETF 102 [0] and 103 [1], providing guidelines is a non-objective for this draft. The objective of this draft is the operationalization of the first objective of the charter ('To expose the relation between protocols and human rights, with a focus on the rights to freedom of expression and freedom of assembly'), not to provide guidelines. As discussed the practice of improving the guidelines is pursued in RFC8280, draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines and through the human rights reviews. So the research goals of this draft is defined by the first objective of the charter.
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure what you mean with a research path. I don't think you mean research design, since there are clear research questions, a methodology, case studies, a discussions of the case studies, the provision of conclusions, and suggestions for further research. So if you could tell us a bit more about what you mean with 'establishing a research path', we'll get on it right away!
>>>>
>>> Could you be so kind to indicate what you mean with 'research path' so we can move the document forward? If you have other concrete suggestions we're also happy to work on it, but now we're at a loss at to how to move this document forward.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Niels
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Niels
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [0] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-hrpc-slides-association-final-00 slide 4
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-103-hrpc-draft-irtf-hrpc-association-00 slide 2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Becoming an RG draft does not mean the next step is publication.  It
>>>>> means that the authors have surrendered their authorship priority and
>>>>> change control to the will of the group.  When I see this document get
>>>>> to the point where the members of the RG feel it is ready for  last
>>>>> call, then, if Mallory and I agree, we can try to aim for last call and
>>>>> publication.  In the meantime I would like to see some discussion of how
>>>>> to do further research on the subject and would like to seem some work
>>>>> on consideration that might be relevant.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for setting up milestones for the work being done, that is a good
>>>>> idea and something that in general we should do. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the question.
>>>>>
>>>>> avri
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 18-Nov-18 18:18, Gisela Perez de Acha Chavez wrote:
>>>>>> Hi everyone. First of all, apologies for my silence. I started my master's in Berkeley and the change implied time investment that I had to handle before coming back to the list. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason I'm writing this email is because I am trying to get up to speed regarding the status of association draft, that Niels and I coauthored. 
>>>>>> While reading Mallory's notes, and watching the last IETF session, I want to ask why has the draft been taken back to the list and not moved to last call. I thought there was a clear process regarding this. So if I am wrong, please correct me. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be hugely appreciated if we would develop milestones from draft-association (and probably other drafts as well), since as an author it has been quite unclear how to make progress. At several meetings it has been said that the discussion would be taken to the list, but that did not really happen. Does this indeed mean we have reached consensus? Please let me know how we can make progress on this and what the milestones are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Also, sorry for the new thread but I needed to write from this new email account)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy to be back and discuss these issues further, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gisela Pérez de Acha
>>>>>> UC Berkeley 
>>>>>> Human Rights Lawyer | Journalist | Writer 
>>>>>>
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> Subject: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-association-01.txt
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Human Rights Protocol Considerations RG
> of the IRTF.
>
>         Title           : Freedom of Association on the Internet
>         Authors         : Niels ten Oever
>                           Gisela Perez de Acha
>         Filename        : draft-irtf-hrpc-association-01.txt
>         Pages           : 24
>         Date            : 2019-02-14
>
> Abstract:
>    This document establishes the causal link between the Internet
>    architecture and the ability of people to excercise their right to
>    freedom of assembly and association online.  The Internet
>    increasingly mediates our lives, our relationships and our ability to
>    exercise our human rights.  As a forum, it provides a global public
>    space despite being built on predominantly private infrastructure.
>    Since Internet protocols play a central role in the management,
>    development and use of the Internet, the relation between protocols
>    and the aforementioned rights should be analyzed and any adverse
>    impacts should be mitigated.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hrpc-association/
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Niels ten Oever <mail@nielstenoever.net>
> To: hrpc@irtf.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 11:36:39 +0100
> Subject: Re: [hrpc] Question About Process - Hi Again
> Dear all,
>
> There is a new version of draft-association which you can find here:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hrpc-association/
>
> In this draft we have sought to address all the issues that have been
> brought up, especially addressing the concerns brought up by the co-chair=
s.
>
> We have spent a significant amount of time rewriting the methodology and
> clarifying the relationship with RC8280, both in terms of functionality,
> but also how these two relate in terms of research design. The research
> design has been extensively discussed and reviewed in a methodology
> workshop for social science methods at the University of Amsterdam. We
> large followed Gerrings' Criterial Framework.
>
> Next to that we also create two different discussions, on pertaining the
> the relation between the two specific rights and Internet architecture an=
d
> protocols, and one pertaining protocols vs platforms.
>
> We also strengthened the interrelation between RFC8280 and this draft by
> outlining where the guidelines from RFC8280 interlinked with the discusse=
d
> cases.
>
> With this we hope to have followed the advised from the co-chairs and
> further the work outlined as the first objective of the hrpc charter,
> namely:
>
> [charter]
> This research has these major aims:
>
> * To expose the relation between protocols and human rights, with a focus
> on
> the rights to freedom of expression and freedom of assembly.
> [/charter]
>
> Best,
>
> Niels and Gisela
>
>
> On 11/27/18 7:47 PM, Mallory Knodel wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 27/11/2018 13:32, avri doria wrote:
> >>
> >> In terms of not including considerations in the Association draft, or =
at
> >> at least analysis of considerations: this is a consensus I do not
> >> remember the RG reaching on this RG draft. I understand the editors ma=
y
> >> not think it necessary, but does the RG agree?  I do not think this
> >> issue has been adequately discussed or decided on.  What do others
> think?
> >>
> >> Personally, I see it as incomplete without at least an analysis of how
> >> the existing considerations affect and are affected by including
> >> association in the consideration complex. Are we considering new
> >> considerations for every  right (hope not) or are we looking for how
> >> other considerations affect the considerations we are already
> >> experimenting with so that we can build a well formed and tested set o=
f
> >> human rights considerations.
> >
> > I think we don't want new considerations, but it would make sense to
> > perhaps deepen, or address, the existing considerations on association,
> > otherwise there is not much connection between them.
> >
> > One suggestion is to perhaps bring forward the relevant 8280 sections b=
y
> > expanding a paragraph starting with this sentence:
> >
> > "[RFC8280] established the relationship between human
> >    rights and Internet protocols, therefore in this document we seek to
> >    uncover the relation between two specific human rights and the
> >    Internet infrastructure and architecture."
> >
> >> With RFC8280 we established an experimental framework.  We formed a
> >> hypothesis based on text analysis and deductive reasoning. In creating
> >> the considerations we created a research framework that could be used =
to
> >> test whether the principles that drove those considerations are the
> >> right considerations, and would make a human rights difference on th
> >> Internet of not. And would it be a positive difference?  I believe we
> >> still have a ways to go in proving, or at least failing to falsify as
> >> the case may be, our hypotheses and our framework.
> >>
> >> I believe the group has basically accepted the common human rights
> >> principle that the various human rights are inextricably interlinked. =
If
> >> that is the case, then any right we begin to work on has to fit within=
,
> >> and modify as necessary, the original framework of RFC8280. I think th=
e
> >> Association draft has yet to do this and should.  What do other people
> >> think?
> >
> > Taking this further, I think it wouldn't be much work to achieve what
> > Avri is suggesting. For each of your cases in subsections 6.* you could
> > add a conclusion that offers suggestions for how protocols should
> > protect association and assembly.
> >
> >> Or does Association-00 intend to propose abandoning the framework
> >> established with RFC8280? I suppose that too could be a reasoned way t=
o
> >> proceed, but I do not see that argument in the current draft either.
> >>
> >> On the cases and examples, I have not seen a RG agreement on the
> >> validity of the cases and their description or analysis. I think they
> >> may be a good place to start.  In terms of the conclusion, the doc is
> >> claiming a RG consensus on conclusions I am not sure I have seen.  Hav=
e
> >> I missed consensus on the cases, their analysis and the conclusions we
> >> draw from them. Seen some conversation but not enough to convince me
> >> that the RG agrees with the narrative. I see LC as time to confirm a
> >> consensus seen and give everyone a last chance, not a mechanism for
> >> drawing out issues.  We can do consensus calls on various points of
> >> disagreement to try and draw out the issues, and perhaps we should as =
we
> >> move forward on these RG drafts.
> >
> > It might be worth reaching out to experts within working groups that ar=
e
> > related to each case in sections 6.* for their feedback, if you haven't
> > done so already.
> >
> >> As a co-chair, I think what we have in association-00 is a partial
> >> introduction to work we need to do. I think the group  needs to do the
> >> research, think about how it affects the considerations framework and
> >> reach consensus of the various cases and analyses before we can consid=
er
> >> publishing this as a RG work effort.  I think we need to do the work
> >> beyond the scholastic hypothesis formation.  This might be a good
> >> treatment for a conference paper or a journal article, though, and tha=
t
> >> might be a useful side track to take if something must be published
> >> based on external publication pressure.
> >
> > I would argue for making this draft good for this group first and then
> > to spin off other sections or versions that might be received well in
> > other journals. I say that mostly because association and assembly are
> > core to our charter and we should get it right.
> >
> > -Mallory
> >
> >>
> >> On 26-Nov-18 04:16, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> >>> Hi Avri,
> >>>
> >>> On 11/20/18 8:36 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> >>>> On 11/20/18 7:14 AM, avri@doria.org wrote:
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A quick reply.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I do not see this draft as having reached consensus in the group an=
d
> >>>>> last call is at at the discretion of the co-chairs when they both
> think
> >>>>> the draft is ready and they have the consensus of the group for
> moving
> >>>>> toward publication.  I have not done a consensus call because I do
> not
> >>>>> see consensus as having been reached.  If there is rough consensus =
in
> >>>>> the group that this is a draft is ready for publication then we can
> move
> >>>>> forward.  I do not think we are at that point.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Personally, I see the draft as more an analysis and polemic than a
> >>>>> research draft at this point. It starts out well with theoretic
> >>>>> discussion, a hypothetical position and some outlining of cases, bu=
t
> >>>>> does not establish a research path and does not suggest any protoco=
l
> >>>>> considerations, the goal of the RG.  We are a research group and ne=
ed
> >>>>> for the documents to relate to a research goal.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Thanks a lot for your feedback.
> >>>>
> >>>> As presented during IETF 102 [0] and 103 [1], providing guidelines i=
s
> a non-objective for this draft. The objective of this draft is the
> operationalization of the first objective of the charter ('To expose the
> relation between protocols and human rights, with a focus on the rights t=
o
> freedom of expression and freedom of assembly'), not to provide guideline=
s.
> As discussed the practice of improving the guidelines is pursued in
> RFC8280, draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines and through the human rights reviews.
> So the research goals of this draft is defined by the first objective of
> the charter.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am not sure what you mean with a research path. I don't think you
> mean research design, since there are clear research questions, a
> methodology, case studies, a discussions of the case studies, the provisi=
on
> of conclusions, and suggestions for further research. So if you could tel=
l
> us a bit more about what you mean with 'establishing a research path',
> we'll get on it right away!
> >>>>
> >>> Could you be so kind to indicate what you mean with 'research path' s=
o
> we can move the document forward? If you have other concrete suggestions
> we're also happy to work on it, but now we're at a loss at to how to move
> this document forward.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Niels
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>>
> >>>> Niels
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> [0]
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-hrpc-slides=
-association-final-00
> slide 4
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-103-hrpc-draft-=
irtf-hrpc-association-00
> slide 2
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Becoming an RG draft does not mean the next step is publication.  I=
t
> >>>>> means that the authors have surrendered their authorship priority a=
nd
> >>>>> change control to the will of the group.  When I see this document
> get
> >>>>> to the point where the members of the RG feel it is ready for  last
> >>>>> call, then, if Mallory and I agree, we can try to aim for last call
> and
> >>>>> publication.  In the meantime I would like to see some discussion o=
f
> how
> >>>>> to do further research on the subject and would like to seem some
> work
> >>>>> on consideration that might be relevant.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for setting up milestones for the work being done, that is a goo=
d
> >>>>> idea and something that in general we should do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the question.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> avri
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 18-Nov-18 18:18, Gisela Perez de Acha Chavez wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi everyone. First of all, apologies for my silence. I started my
> master's in Berkeley and the change implied time investment that I had to
> handle before coming back to the list.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The reason I'm writing this email is because I am trying to get up
> to speed regarding the status of association draft, that Niels and I
> coauthored.
> >>>>>> While reading Mallory's notes, and watching the last IETF session,
> I want to ask why has the draft been taken back to the list and not moved
> to last call. I thought there was a clear process regarding this. So if I
> am wrong, please correct me.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It would be hugely appreciated if we would develop milestones from
> draft-association (and probably other drafts as well), since as an author
> it has been quite unclear how to make progress. At several meetings it ha=
s
> been said that the discussion would be taken to the list, but that did no=
t
> really happen. Does this indeed mean we have reached consensus? Please le=
t
> me know how we can make progress on this and what the milestones are.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (Also, sorry for the new thread but I needed to write from this ne=
w
> email account)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Happy to be back and discuss these issues further,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gisela P=C3=A9rez de Acha
> >>>>>> UC Berkeley
> >>>>>> Human Rights Lawyer | Journalist | Writer
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> hrpc mailing list
> >>>>>> hrpc@irtf.org
> >>>>>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>> hrpc@irtf.org
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> >>>>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> DATACTIVE Research Group
> University of Amsterdam
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t 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;break-after:avoid;font-size:14pt;font-famil=
y:Cambria,serif;color:rgb(54,95,145)">WEB 3 (WEB OF INSPIRATION)</h1>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;margin:0in 0in 10pt;line=
-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10pt;line-height:115%">Web of inspiration web 3 is an
executable phase of the internet that brings about inspiration, empowerment=
,
employment, improved internet security, improved communication. They intern=
et
that promote entrepreneurship, web 3 focuses on making man become the inter=
net.
</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justify;=
line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;bac=
kground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;ba=
ckground-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10pt">=C2=A0</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justify;=
line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;bac=
kground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;ba=
ckground-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10pt">Web 3 goals and objectives are;</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justify;=
line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;bac=
kground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;ba=
ckground-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10pt">=C2=A0</span></p>

<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in" type=3D"disc">
 <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justif=
y;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;b=
ackground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;=
background-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt">To create an
     executable phase of the internet where each distinct phase is dependen=
t
     and relates to man=E2=80=99s activities and involvement in the interne=
t.</span></li>
 <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justif=
y;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;b=
ackground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;=
background-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt">To create an
     internet that empowers and employs people, independent of locations an=
d
     their status. </span></li>
 <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justif=
y;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;b=
ackground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;=
background-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt">To bring about an
     internet of man that is, to create an internet that lives with the mas=
ses
     and influences people and societal actions and behaviors.</span></li>
 <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justif=
y;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;b=
ackground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;=
background-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt">To bring about a
     democratic internet, where every individual irrespective of his/her
     location can actively participate in key decision making, since the
     internet affects them directly and indirectly.</span></li>
 <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justif=
y;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;b=
ackground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;=
background-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt">To make the masses
     become the internet, that is they should be actively involved in the d=
ay
     to day key decision concerning the internet since it directly and
     indirectly affect their life=E2=80=99s, livelihood and what goes aroun=
d in their
     environment.</span></li>
 <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justif=
y;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;b=
ackground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;=
background-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt">To bring about an
     internet that inspires, educate and empower the masses and internet us=
ers</span></li>
 <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justif=
y;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;b=
ackground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;=
background-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">To develop a model of
     transparency and accountability for the internet and digital
     organizations.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></li>
 <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justif=
y;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;b=
ackground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;=
background-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">To train, promote and partner
     with </span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">organizations,
     institutions and hubs that are working or have been working on improvi=
ng
     and engaging people positively in their local environment and national=
s.</span></li>
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y;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;b=
ackground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;=
background-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt">To bring about a
     more secure and accountable internet security.</span></li>
 <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justif=
y;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;b=
ackground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;=
background-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt">Information shared
     via the internet can be easily tracker hence reducing a lot of cyber
     crimes.</span></li>
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justify;=
line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;bac=
kground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;ba=
ckground-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:rgb(17,17,17)">=C2=A0</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justify;=
line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;bac=
kground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;ba=
ckground-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:rgb(17,17,17)">The internet has tremendous po=
tential to achieve greater social
equity, empowerment and improve everyday life for those on the margins of
society. If properly leveraged by man it can help in solving key problems
arising in the society.</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;line-height:12.65pt;marg=
in:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt">Man has the internet, allows man to become a vital
organ of the internet, an indispensable, interconnected part of the web. </=
span><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:10pt">Most youths
and entrepreneurs especially in remote areas are unaware of the power of IC=
T
and how they can leverage it properly in their business development. This p=
lays
an important role in the current growth and development rate in Nigeria sin=
ce
the result of the survey by the National Bureau of Statistics show that per=
sons
aged 0-14 years constituted 39.6%, those aged between 15-64 (the economical=
ly
active population), constituted 56.3%, which those aged 65 years and above =
constituted
4.2%.</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;line-height:12.65pt;marg=
in:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=
=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:10pt">Youth
unemployment appears to be shooting up the sky as many youths globally lack
appropriate skills that will empower them after graduation from school. You=
th unemployment
is perhaps the most pressing need of youths =E2=80=93 over 311 million youn=
g people are
unemployed globally, and in Nigeria over 40 million youth are unemployed.</=
span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:justify;=
line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;bac=
kground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;ba=
ckground-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">Inspiration is a concept that links in=
dividual strengths and
competencies, natural helping systems and proactive behavior to social poli=
cy
and social change, In other words, empowerment links the individual and his=
 or
her well-being to the wider social and political environment in which he or=
 she
functions. From a psycho-logical perspective, empowerment links mental heal=
th
and well-being to mutual help and to the creation of a responsive community
globally.</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 10pt;line-height:115%;font-s=
ize:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;line=
-height:115%">Please I
will like the opinion and contribution from likeminded individuals who beli=
eve
that the internet can be a great tool if harnessed properly in inspiring an=
d
empowering man.</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 10pt;line-height:115%;font-s=
ize:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;line=
-height:115%">you can know more aboutus and our project via this link</span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 10pt;line-height:115%;f=
ont-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt=
;line-height:115%">=C2=A0URL:- <a href=3D"http://www.webofinspiration.org.n=
g/aboutus.php">www.webofinspiration.org.ng/aboutus.php</a></span></p>

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ize:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;line=
-height:115%">Email: <a href=3D"mailto:nwaokorobiadarlington@gmail.com" sty=
le=3D"color:blue">nwaokorobiadarlington@gmail.com</a></span></p></div><br><=
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Feb 2019 at 21:00, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hrpc-request@irtf.org">hrpc-reques=
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When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>
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Today&#39;s Topics:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A01. I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-association-01.txt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A02. Re: Question About Process - Hi Again (Niels ten Oever)<br>
<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:=C2=A0<a href=
=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf=
.org</a><br>To:=C2=A0&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">i-d-announce@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>Cc:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:hrpc@i=
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u, 14 Feb 2019 02:26:09 -0800<br>Subject:=C2=A0[hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irt=
f-hrpc-association-01.txt<br><br>
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.<br>
This draft is a work item of the Human Rights Protocol Considerations RG of=
 the IRTF.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 Freedom of Association on the Internet<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Niel=
s ten Oever<br>
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=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gisela Perez de Acha<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-irt=
f-hrpc-association-01.txt<br>
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :=
 2019-02-14<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document establishes the causal link between the Internet=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0architecture and the ability of people to excercise their righ=
t to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0freedom of assembly and association online.=C2=A0 The Internet=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0increasingly mediates our lives, our relationships and our abi=
lity to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0exercise our human rights.=C2=A0 As a forum, it provides a glo=
bal public<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0space despite being built on predominantly private infrastruct=
ure.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Since Internet protocols play a central role in the management=
,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0development and use of the Internet, the relation between prot=
ocols<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and the aforementioned rights should be analyzed and any adver=
se<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0impacts should be mitigated.<br>
<br>
<br>
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hrpc-association/" r=
el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-=
irtf-hrpc-association/</a><br>
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There are also htmlized versions available at:<br>
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pc-association-01</a><br>
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n-01" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc=
/html/draft-irtf-hrpc-association-01</a><br>
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01" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=
=3Ddraft-irtf-hrpc-association-01</a><br>
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<br>
Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:<br>
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=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:=C2=A0Niels ten=
 Oever &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mail@nielstenoever.net" target=3D"_blank">mail=
@nielstenoever.net</a>&gt;<br>To:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:hrpc@irtf.org" tar=
get=3D"_blank">hrpc@irtf.org</a><br>Cc:=C2=A0<br>Bcc:=C2=A0<br>Date:=C2=A0T=
hu, 14 Feb 2019 11:36:39 +0100<br>Subject:=C2=A0Re: [hrpc] Question About P=
rocess - Hi Again<br>Dear all,<br>
<br>
There is a new version of draft-association which you can find here:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hrpc-association/" r=
el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-=
irtf-hrpc-association/</a><br>
<br>
In this draft we have sought to address all the issues that have been broug=
ht up, especially addressing the concerns brought up by the co-chairs.<br>
<br>
We have spent a significant amount of time rewriting the methodology and cl=
arifying the relationship with RC8280, both in terms of functionality, but =
also how these two relate in terms of research design. The research design =
has been extensively discussed and reviewed in a methodology workshop for s=
ocial science methods at the University of Amsterdam. We large followed Ger=
rings&#39; Criterial Framework. <br>
<br>
Next to that we also create two different discussions, on pertaining the th=
e relation between the two specific rights and Internet architecture and pr=
otocols, and one pertaining protocols vs platforms. <br>
<br>
We also strengthened the interrelation between RFC8280 and this draft by ou=
tlining where the guidelines from RFC8280 interlinked with the discussed ca=
ses.<br>
<br>
With this we hope to have followed the advised from the co-chairs and furth=
er the work outlined as the first objective of the hrpc charter, namely:<br=
>
<br>
[charter]<br>
This research has these major aims:<br>
<br>
* To expose the relation between protocols and human rights, with a focus o=
n<br>
the rights to freedom of expression and freedom of assembly.<br>
[/charter]<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Niels and Gisela<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/27/18 7:47 PM, Mallory Knodel wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On 27/11/2018 13:32, avri doria wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; In terms of not including considerations in the Association draft,=
 or at<br>
&gt;&gt; at least analysis of considerations: this is a consensus I do not<=
br>
&gt;&gt; remember the RG reaching on this RG draft. I understand the editor=
s may<br>
&gt;&gt; not think it necessary, but does the RG agree?=C2=A0 I do not thin=
k this<br>
&gt;&gt; issue has been adequately discussed or decided on.=C2=A0 What do o=
thers think?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Personally, I see it as incomplete without at least an analysis of=
 how<br>
&gt;&gt; the existing considerations affect and are affected by including<b=
r>
&gt;&gt; association in the consideration complex. Are we considering new<b=
r>
&gt;&gt; considerations for every=C2=A0 right (hope not) or are we looking =
for how<br>
&gt;&gt; other considerations affect the considerations we are already<br>
&gt;&gt; experimenting with so that we can build a well formed and tested s=
et of<br>
&gt;&gt; human rights considerations.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I think we don&#39;t want new considerations, but it would make sense =
to<br>
&gt; perhaps deepen, or address, the existing considerations on association=
,<br>
&gt; otherwise there is not much connection between them.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; One suggestion is to perhaps bring forward the relevant 8280 sections =
by<br>
&gt; expanding a paragraph starting with this sentence:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &quot;[RFC8280] established the relationship between human<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 rights and Internet protocols, therefore in this document=
 we seek to<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 uncover the relation between two specific human rights an=
d the<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Internet infrastructure and architecture.&quot;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; With RFC8280 we established an experimental framework.=C2=A0 We fo=
rmed a<br>
&gt;&gt; hypothesis based on text analysis and deductive reasoning. In crea=
ting<br>
&gt;&gt; the considerations we created a research framework that could be u=
sed to<br>
&gt;&gt; test whether the principles that drove those considerations are th=
e<br>
&gt;&gt; right considerations, and would make a human rights difference on =
th<br>
&gt;&gt; Internet of not. And would it be a positive difference?=C2=A0 I be=
lieve we<br>
&gt;&gt; still have a ways to go in proving, or at least failing to falsify=
 as<br>
&gt;&gt; the case may be, our hypotheses and our framework.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I believe the group has basically accepted the common human rights=
<br>
&gt;&gt; principle that the various human rights are inextricably interlink=
ed. If<br>
&gt;&gt; that is the case, then any right we begin to work on has to fit wi=
thin,<br>
&gt;&gt; and modify as necessary, the original framework of RFC8280. I thin=
k the<br>
&gt;&gt; Association draft has yet to do this and should.=C2=A0 What do oth=
er people<br>
&gt;&gt; think?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Taking this further, I think it wouldn&#39;t be much work to achieve w=
hat<br>
&gt; Avri is suggesting. For each of your cases in subsections 6.* you coul=
d<br>
&gt; add a conclusion that offers suggestions for how protocols should<br>
&gt; protect association and assembly.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Or does Association-00 intend to propose abandoning the framework<=
br>
&gt;&gt; established with RFC8280? I suppose that too could be a reasoned w=
ay to<br>
&gt;&gt; proceed, but I do not see that argument in the current draft eithe=
r.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On the cases and examples, I have not seen a RG agreement on the<b=
r>
&gt;&gt; validity of the cases and their description or analysis. I think t=
hey<br>
&gt;&gt; may be a good place to start.=C2=A0 In terms of the conclusion, th=
e doc is<br>
&gt;&gt; claiming a RG consensus on conclusions I am not sure I have seen.=
=C2=A0 Have<br>
&gt;&gt; I missed consensus on the cases, their analysis and the conclusion=
s we<br>
&gt;&gt; draw from them. Seen some conversation but not enough to convince =
me<br>
&gt;&gt; that the RG agrees with the narrative. I see LC as time to confirm=
 a<br>
&gt;&gt; consensus seen and give everyone a last chance, not a mechanism fo=
r<br>
&gt;&gt; drawing out issues.=C2=A0 We can do consensus calls on various poi=
nts of<br>
&gt;&gt; disagreement to try and draw out the issues, and perhaps we should=
 as we<br>
&gt;&gt; move forward on these RG drafts.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; It might be worth reaching out to experts within working groups that a=
re<br>
&gt; related to each case in sections 6.* for their feedback, if you haven&=
#39;t<br>
&gt; done so already.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; As a co-chair, I think what we have in association-00 is a partial=
<br>
&gt;&gt; introduction to work we need to do. I think the group=C2=A0 needs =
to do the<br>
&gt;&gt; research, think about how it affects the considerations framework =
and<br>
&gt;&gt; reach consensus of the various cases and analyses before we can co=
nsider<br>
&gt;&gt; publishing this as a RG work effort.=C2=A0 I think we need to do t=
he work<br>
&gt;&gt; beyond the scholastic hypothesis formation.=C2=A0 This might be a =
good<br>
&gt;&gt; treatment for a conference paper or a journal article, though, and=
 that<br>
&gt;&gt; might be a useful side track to take if something must be publishe=
d<br>
&gt;&gt; based on external publication pressure.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I would argue for making this draft good for this group first and then=
<br>
&gt; to spin off other sections or versions that might be received well in<=
br>
&gt; other journals. I say that mostly because association and assembly are=
<br>
&gt; core to our charter and we should get it right.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -Mallory<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On 26-Nov-18 04:16, Niels ten Oever wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi Avri,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On 11/20/18 8:36 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On 11/20/18 7:14 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:avri@doria.org" tar=
get=3D"_blank">avri@doria.org</a> wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; A quick reply.=C2=A0<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I do not see this draft as having reached consensus in=
 the group and<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; last call is at at the discretion of the co-chairs whe=
n they both think<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the draft is ready and they have the consensus of the =
group for moving<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; toward publication.=C2=A0 I have not done a consensus =
call because I do not<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; see consensus as having been reached.=C2=A0 If there i=
s rough consensus in<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the group that this is a draft is ready for publicatio=
n then we can move<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; forward.=C2=A0 I do not think we are at that point.<br=
>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Personally, I see the draft as more an analysis and po=
lemic than a<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; research draft at this point. It starts out well with =
theoretic<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; discussion, a hypothetical position and some outlining=
 of cases, but<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; does not establish a research path and does not sugges=
t any protocol<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; considerations, the goal of the RG.=C2=A0 We are a res=
earch group and need<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; for the documents to relate to a research goal.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks a lot for your feedback.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; As presented during IETF 102 [0] and 103 [1], providing gu=
idelines is a non-objective for this draft. The objective of this draft is =
the operationalization of the first objective of the charter (&#39;To expos=
e the relation between protocols and human rights, with a focus on the righ=
ts to freedom of expression and freedom of assembly&#39;), not to provide g=
uidelines. As discussed the practice of improving the guidelines is pursued=
 in RFC8280, draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines and through the human rights review=
s. So the research goals of this draft is defined by the first objective of=
 the charter.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I am not sure what you mean with a research path. I don&#3=
9;t think you mean research design, since there are clear research question=
s, a methodology, case studies, a discussions of the case studies, the prov=
ision of conclusions, and suggestions for further research. So if you could=
 tell us a bit more about what you mean with &#39;establishing a research p=
ath&#39;, we&#39;ll get on it right away!<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Could you be so kind to indicate what you mean with &#39;resea=
rch path&#39; so we can move the document forward? If you have other concre=
te suggestions we&#39;re also happy to work on it, but now we&#39;re at a l=
oss at to how to move this document forward.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Best,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Niels<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Best,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Niels<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; [0] <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/ma=
terials/slides-102-hrpc-slides-association-final-00" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-10=
2-hrpc-slides-association-final-00</a> slide 4<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; [1] <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/ma=
terials/slides-103-hrpc-draft-irtf-hrpc-association-00" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides=
-103-hrpc-draft-irtf-hrpc-association-00</a> slide 2<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Becoming an RG draft does not mean the next step is pu=
blication.=C2=A0 It<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; means that the authors have surrendered their authorsh=
ip priority and<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; change control to the will of the group.=C2=A0 When I =
see this document get<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to the point where the members of the RG feel it is re=
ady for=C2=A0 last<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; call, then, if Mallory and I agree, we can try to aim =
for last call and<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; publication.=C2=A0 In the meantime I would like to see=
 some discussion of how<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to do further research on the subject and would like t=
o seem some work<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; on consideration that might be relevant.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; As for setting up milestones for the work being done, =
that is a good<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; idea and something that in general we should do.=C2=A0=
<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks for the question.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; avri<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On 18-Nov-18 18:18, Gisela Perez de Acha Chavez wrote:=
<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi everyone. First of all, apologies for my silenc=
e. I started my master&#39;s in Berkeley and the change implied time invest=
ment that I had to handle before coming back to the list. <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The reason I&#39;m writing this email is because I=
 am trying to get up to speed regarding the status of association draft, th=
at Niels and I coauthored. <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; While reading Mallory&#39;s notes, and watching th=
e last IETF session, I want to ask why has the draft been taken back to the=
 list and not moved to last call. I thought there was a clear process regar=
ding this. So if I am wrong, please correct me. <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It would be hugely appreciated if we would develop=
 milestones from draft-association (and probably other drafts as well), sin=
ce as an author it has been quite unclear how to make progress. At several =
meetings it has been said that the discussion would be taken to the list, b=
ut that did not really happen. Does this indeed mean we have reached consen=
sus? Please let me know how we can make progress on this and what the miles=
tones are.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (Also, sorry for the new thread but I needed to wr=
ite from this new email account)<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Happy to be back and discuss these issues further,=
 <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Gisela P=C3=A9rez de Acha<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; UC Berkeley <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Human Rights Lawyer | Journalist | Writer <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
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On 14/02/19 3:56 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>=20
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dire=
ctories.
> This draft is a work item of the Human Rights Protocol Considerations R=
G of the IRTF.
>=20
>         Title           : Freedom of Association on the Internet
>         Authors         : Niels ten Oever
>                           Gisela Perez de Acha
> 	Filename        : draft-irtf-hrpc-association-01.txt
> 	Pages           : 24
> 	Date            : 2019-02-14
>=20
Thanks to the authors for the update to the draft, I think it addresses
most concerns highlighted in the list.

I have two minor suggestions:

* In the concluding section, this sentence can be further sketched out:
"These properties and characteristics on the one hand enable people to
assemble and associate, but on the other hand also adds limiting, or
even potentially endangering, characteristics." Specifically, the
properties that have been identified from the cases as enabling factors
for the freedom of assembly (eg. confidentiality in communication among
multiple parties, ability to join/leave groups freely) can be explicitly
mentioned here.

* For Section 8 ('Discussion: Protocols vs Platforms'): While the topic
is intuitively relevant, I think the draft would benefit from 2-3
statements making the link between federation/interoperability and the
right to assembly explicit. And just a quibble about the title:
protocols _versus_ platforms may not be an accurate framing of the
question considering that closed platforms can be built using open
standards that federate (as the draft points out, they may not enable
make that capability clear) and then there can be protocols that do not
care about federation. Therefore, federation may just be a desirable
property in protocols and need not be pitted against "platforms".(*)

Overall, I think the draft is a good step towards the stated charter
goal, and I hope we can discuss, in Prague and on this list, the way
forward towards its publication.

Thank you.
Gurshabad

(*) Of course, everyone may not consider a desirable property: one may
forgo federation in favour of faster pace of development that a closed
system permits. [0][1] This may even bring privacy advantages (Eg.
Signal has made technical advances in reducing communication metadata
available to them, [2] changes which might have not been possible if it
was committed to federation), but I suspect that might be rare.

[0] https://lwn.net/Articles/687294/
[1] https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
[2] https://signal.org/blog/sealed-sender/

PS.

Typos and misc suggestions for readability
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On 2/18/19 6:50 PM, Gurshabad Grover wrote:
> On 14/02/19 3:56 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dir=
ectories.
>> This draft is a work item of the Human Rights Protocol Considerations =
RG of the IRTF.
>>
>>         Title           : Freedom of Association on the Internet
>>         Authors         : Niels ten Oever
>>                           Gisela Perez de Acha
>> 	Filename        : draft-irtf-hrpc-association-01.txt
>> 	Pages           : 24
>> 	Date            : 2019-02-14
>>
> Thanks to the authors for the update to the draft, I think it addresses=

> most concerns highlighted in the list.
>=20
> I have two minor suggestions:
>=20
> * In the concluding section, this sentence can be further sketched out:=

> "These properties and characteristics on the one hand enable people to
> assemble and associate, but on the other hand also adds limiting, or
> even potentially endangering, characteristics." Specifically, the
> properties that have been identified from the cases as enabling factors=

> for the freedom of assembly (eg. confidentiality in communication among=

> multiple parties, ability to join/leave groups freely) can be explicitl=
y
> mentioned here.
>=20
> * For Section 8 ('Discussion: Protocols vs Platforms'): While the topic=

> is intuitively relevant, I think the draft would benefit from 2-3
> statements making the link between federation/interoperability and the
> right to assembly explicit. And just a quibble about the title:
> protocols _versus_ platforms may not be an accurate framing of the
> question considering that closed platforms can be built using open
> standards that federate (as the draft points out, they may not enable
> make that capability clear) and then there can be protocols that do not=

> care about federation. Therefore, federation may just be a desirable
> property in protocols and need not be pitted against "platforms".(*)
>=20
> Overall, I think the draft is a good step towards the stated charter
> goal, and I hope we can discuss, in Prague and on this list, the way
> forward towards its publication.
>=20

Thanks a lot Gurshabad,

I agree with all your points. I have integrated your suggestions and have=
 sought to address your comments in the -02 version.

Best,

Niels


> Thank you.
> Gurshabad
>=20
> (*) Of course, everyone may not consider a desirable property: one may
> forgo federation in favour of faster pace of development that a closed
> system permits. [0][1] This may even bring privacy advantages (Eg.
> Signal has made technical advances in reducing communication metadata
> available to them, [2] changes which might have not been possible if it=

> was committed to federation), but I suspect that might be rare.
>=20
> [0] https://lwn.net/Articles/687294/
> [1] https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
> [2] https://signal.org/blog/sealed-sender/
>=20
> PS.
>=20
> Typos and misc suggestions for readability
> ------------------------------------------
> =C2=A7Abs.	"excercise"/"exercise"
> =C2=A71	"&#8202;"/" "
> =C2=A74	"aformentioned"/"aforementioned"
> =C2=A74	"guideless"/"guidelines"
> =C2=A75	"merely gradual"/"merely a gradual"
> =C2=A75	"one and the other"/"both"
> =C2=A75	" n "/" "
> =C2=A76	"human right"/"human rights"
> =C2=A76	"etiher"/"either"
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> =C2=A76.2.1	"achitectures"/"architectures"
> =C2=A76.2.1	"esentially"/"essentially"
> =C2=A76.2.1	"5694 P2P"/"5694"
> =C2=A76.2.1	"and have"/"and has"
> =C2=A76.2.1	"unpredicable"/"unpredictable"
> =C2=A76.2.1	"assesesing"/"assessing"
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> =C2=A76.3	"Acording"/"According"
> =C2=A76.3.1	"mitigated"/"mitigate"
> =C2=A76.3.1	"TLS [RFC5246]"/"DNS over HTTPS [RFC8484]"
> =C2=A76.3.2	"Automous"/"Autonomous"
> =C2=A76.3.2	"Aditionally"/"Additionally"
> =C2=A77	"buid"/"build"
> =C2=A77	"infrastructe"/"infrastructure
> =C2=A77	"faciliates"/"facilitates
> =C2=A77	"propotionate"/"proportionate
> =C2=A77	"excercising"/"exercising"
> =C2=A78	"propietary"/"proprietary"
> =C2=A79	"inhibts"/"inhibits"
> =C2=A79	"excercise"/"exercise"
>=20
>=20
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Niels ten Oever
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DATACTIVE Research Group
University of Amsterdam

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Human Rights Protocol Considerations RG of the IRTF.

        Title           : Freedom of Association on the Internet
        Authors         : Niels ten Oever
                          Gisela Perez de Acha
	Filename        : draft-irtf-hrpc-association-02.txt
	Pages           : 24
	Date            : 2019-02-19

Abstract:
   This document establishes the causal link between the Internet
   architecture and the ability of people to exercise their right to
   freedom of assembly and association online.  The Internet
   increasingly mediates our lives, our relationships and our ability to
   exercise our human rights.  As a forum, it provides a global public
   space despite being built on predominantly private infrastructure.
   Since Internet protocols play a central role in the management,
   development and use of the Internet, the relation between protocols
   and the aforementioned rights should be analyzed and any adverse
   impacts should be mitigated.


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Dear co-chairs,

Are you planning to have a guest-talk at the hrpc session =
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If so, I think it would be very interested to hear of Paul Dou=
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Happy to help make connections if that's useful=
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Best,

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<div dir=3D"auto">Dear co-chairs,<br><br></div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Are you p=
lanning to have a guest-talk at the hrpc session at IETF104?<br><br></div>
=
<div dir=3D"auto">If so, I think it would be very interested to hear of Pau=
l Dourish or Fenwick McKelvey!<br><br></div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Happy to hel=
p make connections if that's useful=2E<br><br></div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Best=
,<br><br></div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Niels</div>

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Hi all,

I made a cursory analysis of adoption of the UNGPs among the top-15 of companies with whom most of the recent RFC authors are affiliated [0]. It turns out that of the top-15 the following 9 have signed up to the UNGPs or have at least a human rights policy:

Cisco https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/cisco-systems-0?keywords=cisco
Ericsson https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/ericsson-0?keywords=ericsson#a117755
Google https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/google-0?keywords=google
NTT https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/nippon-telegraph-and-telephone-ntt-group-0
	http://www.ntt.co.jp/csr_e/report.html
Orange https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/orange-0
AT&T https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/att-0?keywords=AT&T
IBM https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/ibm-0?keywords=IBM
Microsoft https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/microsoft-0?keywords=Microsoft
Comcast https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/comcast-0?keywords=Comcast

And the following have not:

Huawei
Alcatel
Juniper
Nokia
Alcatel-lucent
Inria

It might be interesting to assess their reports and policies for their statements about human rights impacts assessments, protocols and standards, in a way similar to what Ranking Digital Rights [1] does, but for a narrower field.

Alternatively or additionally, we could also ask the relevant department on their relevant policies and positions.

Would people be interested in working on such an analysis?

Best,

Niels



[0] https://www.arkko.com/tools/recrfcstats/companydistr.html
[1] https://rankingdigitalrights.org/
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Niels ten Oever
Researcher and PhD Candidate
DATACTIVE Research Group
University of Amsterdam

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Hi

Thanks for pinging on the agenda.

I have been thinking about the agenda.  Waiting to see what drafts are
submitted.

Folks, what drafts, other than hrpc-association, should we expect to
come in? Anyone have a relevant paper they wish to discuss? I know of a
few other maybes, but not sure what will actually be submitted.

On hrpc-association, since there has been a discussion of what is next
for it, wondering if we have some members who would like to review it
and speak to it and its readiness at the meeting.

Among other things on the agenda, I expect we will have a discussion on
some recent events, including the situation with IETF id reviews.

Are there other topics people think need to be on the agenda?

Niels, what topic are you suggesting they speak about? Any papers we can
reference on their work?

thanks

avri


On 20-Feb-19 10:36, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> Dear co-chairs,
>
> Are you planning to have a guest-talk at the hrpc session at IETF104?
>
> If so, I think it would be very interested to hear of Paul Dourish or
> Fenwick McKelvey!
>
> Happy to help make connections if that's useful.
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
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Hi,

Is this in our charter?

thanks

avri


On 21-Feb-19 11:27, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I made a cursory analysis of adoption of the UNGPs among the top-15 of companies with whom most of the recent RFC authors are affiliated [0]. It turns out that of the top-15 the following 9 have signed up to the UNGPs or have at least a human rights policy:
>
> Cisco https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/cisco-systems-0?keywords=cisco
> Ericsson https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/ericsson-0?keywords=ericsson#a117755
> Google https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/google-0?keywords=google
> NTT https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/nippon-telegraph-and-telephone-ntt-group-0
> 	http://www.ntt.co.jp/csr_e/report.html
> Orange https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/orange-0
> AT&T https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/att-0?keywords=AT&T
> IBM https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/ibm-0?keywords=IBM
> Microsoft https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/microsoft-0?keywords=Microsoft
> Comcast https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/comcast-0?keywords=Comcast
>
> And the following have not:
>
> Huawei
> Alcatel
> Juniper
> Nokia
> Alcatel-lucent
> Inria
>
> It might be interesting to assess their reports and policies for their statements about human rights impacts assessments, protocols and standards, in a way similar to what Ranking Digital Rights [1] does, but for a narrower field.
>
> Alternatively or additionally, we could also ask the relevant department on their relevant policies and positions.
>
> Would people be interested in working on such an analysis?
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
>
>
> [0] https://www.arkko.com/tools/recrfcstats/companydistr.html
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Hi Avri,

On 2/21/19 5:53 PM, avri@doria.org wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Thanks for pinging on the agenda.
> 
> I have been thinking about the agenda.  Waiting to see what drafts are
> submitted.
> 
> Folks, what drafts, other than hrpc-association, should we expect to
> come in? Anyone have a relevant paper they wish to discuss? I know of a
> few other maybes, but not sure what will actually be submitted.
> 

I am waiting for a reviewer to finish his review of draft-politics. If that gets through in time, I hope to make a new version which I would like to discuss.

> On hrpc-association, since there has been a discussion of what is next
> for it, wondering if we have some members who would like to review it
> and speak to it and its readiness at the meeting.
> 

Gisela and I are under the impression that we have addressed the issues brought up by you and Mallory (and the full review by Gurshabad). 

Would be great to hear what you think, so that if needed we can address those before the meeting?

> Among other things on the agenda, I expect we will have a discussion on
> some recent events, including the situation with IETF id reviews.

Could you elaborate on that?

> 
> Are there other topics people think need to be on the agenda?
> 
> Niels, what topic are you suggesting they speak about? Any papers we can
> reference on their work?
> 

Fenwick McKelvey's recent excellent book on Internet Daemons is I think highly relevant, especially chapter 3 and 4. https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/internet-daemons

Paul Dourish's recent paper on IPv6 is relevant:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/24701475.2018.1455311
as well as his book 'the Stuff of Bits' https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/stuff-bits.

Best,

Niels

> thanks
> 
> avri
> 
> 
> On 20-Feb-19 10:36, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>> Dear co-chairs,
>>
>> Are you planning to have a guest-talk at the hrpc session at IETF104?
>>
>> If so, I think it would be very interested to hear of Paul Dourish or
>> Fenwick McKelvey!
>>
>> Happy to help make connections if that's useful.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Niels
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Hi Niels,

Thanks for the suggestions.

Could you give us one-two sentences about why you'd like them to speak?

We might wait until Montreal to have Fenwick present in person?

We have been talking about someone speaking from the Association for
Progressive Communications Women's Rights Programme about the Feminist
Principles of the Internet.

-Mallory

On 20/02/2019 18:36, Niels ten Oever wrote:
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> 
> Are you planning to have a guest-talk at the hrpc session at IETF104?
> 
> If so, I think it would be very interested to hear of Paul Dourish or
> Fenwick McKelvey!
> 
> Happy to help make connections if that's useful.
> 
> Best,
> 
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It seems that RFC 8492 is the first one with an explicit Human Rights
Considerations section (it mentions RFC 8280).

But, in that specific case, I would have preferred none :-(


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Hi,

Happy to work on this with you - as I think it is an interesting research
path.

Kind regards,

Corinne

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 4:55 PM <avri@doria.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is this in our charter?
>
> thanks
>
> avri
>
>
> On 21-Feb-19 11:27, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I made a cursory analysis of adoption of the UNGPs among the top-15 of
> companies with whom most of the recent RFC authors are affiliated [0]. It
> turns out that of the top-15 the following 9 have signed up to the UNGPs or
> have at least a human rights policy:
> >
> > Cisco
> https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/cisco-systems-0?keywords=cisco
> > Ericsson
> https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/ericsson-0?keywords=ericsson#a117755
> > Google https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/google-0?keywords=google
> > NTT
> https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/nippon-telegraph-and-telephone-ntt-group-0
> >       http://www.ntt.co.jp/csr_e/report.html
> > Orange https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/orange-0
> > AT&T https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/att-0?keywords=AT&T
> > IBM https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/ibm-0?keywords=IBM
> > Microsoft
> https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/microsoft-0?keywords=Microsoft
> > Comcast
> https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/comcast-0?keywords=Comcast
> >
> > And the following have not:
> >
> > Huawei
> > Alcatel
> > Juniper
> > Nokia
> > Alcatel-lucent
> > Inria
> >
> > It might be interesting to assess their reports and policies for their
> statements about human rights impacts assessments, protocols and standards,
> in a way similar to what Ranking Digital Rights [1] does, but for a
> narrower field.
> >
> > Alternatively or additionally, we could also ask the relevant department
> on their relevant policies and positions.
> >
> > Would people be interested in working on such an analysis?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Niels
> >
> >
> >
> > [0] https://www.arkko.com/tools/recrfcstats/companydistr.html
> > [1] https://rankingdigitalrights.org/
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif">Hi,=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-famil=
y:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
family:verdana,sans-serif">Happy to work on this with you - as I think it i=
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le=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Kind regards,</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Corinne=C2=A0=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 4:55 PM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:avri@doria.org"=
>avri@doria.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
Is this in our charter?<br>
<br>
thanks<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
<br>
On 21-Feb-19 11:27, Niels ten Oever wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi all,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I made a cursory analysis of adoption of the UNGPs among the top-15 of=
 companies with whom most of the recent RFC authors are affiliated [0]. It =
turns out that of the top-15 the following 9 have signed up to the UNGPs or=
 have at least a human rights policy:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Cisco <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/cisco-systems=
-0?keywords=3Dcisco" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.busin=
ess-humanrights.org/en/cisco-systems-0?keywords=3Dcisco</a><br>
&gt; Ericsson <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/ericsson-0=
?keywords=3Dericsson#a117755" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://=
www.business-humanrights.org/en/ericsson-0?keywords=3Dericsson#a117755</a><=
br>
&gt; Google <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/google-0?key=
words=3Dgoogle" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.business-h=
umanrights.org/en/google-0?keywords=3Dgoogle</a><br>
&gt; NTT <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/nippon-telegrap=
h-and-telephone-ntt-group-0" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://w=
ww.business-humanrights.org/en/nippon-telegraph-and-telephone-ntt-group-0</=
a><br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.ntt.co.jp/csr_e/report=
.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ntt.co.jp/csr_e/repo=
rt.html</a><br>
&gt; Orange <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/orange-0" re=
l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/=
orange-0</a><br>
&gt; AT&amp;T <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/att-0?keyw=
ords=3DAT&amp;T" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.business-=
humanrights.org/en/att-0?keywords=3DAT&amp;T</a><br>
&gt; IBM <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/ibm-0?keywords=
=3DIBM" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.business-humanrigh=
ts.org/en/ibm-0?keywords=3DIBM</a><br>
&gt; Microsoft <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/microsoft=
-0?keywords=3DMicrosoft" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.b=
usiness-humanrights.org/en/microsoft-0?keywords=3DMicrosoft</a><br>
&gt; Comcast <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/comcast-0?k=
eywords=3DComcast" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.busines=
s-humanrights.org/en/comcast-0?keywords=3DComcast</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; And the following have not:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Huawei<br>
&gt; Alcatel<br>
&gt; Juniper<br>
&gt; Nokia<br>
&gt; Alcatel-lucent<br>
&gt; Inria<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; It might be interesting to assess their reports and policies for their=
 statements about human rights impacts assessments, protocols and standards=
, in a way similar to what Ranking Digital Rights [1] does, but for a narro=
wer field.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Alternatively or additionally, we could also ask the relevant departme=
nt on their relevant policies and positions.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Would people be interested in working on such an analysis?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Best,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Niels<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; [0] <a href=3D"https://www.arkko.com/tools/recrfcstats/companydistr.ht=
ml" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.arkko.com/tools/recrfc=
stats/companydistr.html</a><br>
&gt; [1] <a href=3D"https://rankingdigitalrights.org/" rel=3D"noreferrer" t=
arget=3D"_blank">https://rankingdigitalrights.org/</a><br>
<br>
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rinne Cath - Speth<br>Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute &amp; Alan=
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=3D"http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cath" target=3D"_blank">www.oii.=
ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cath</a> <br>Email: <a href=3D"mailto:ccath@turing.=
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Same here. Interesting topic.

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> Am 21.02.2019 um 17:54 schrieb avri@doria.org:
>=20
> Hi,
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> Is this in our charter?
>=20
> thanks
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> avri
>=20
>=20
>> On 21-Feb-19 11:27, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>=20
>> I made a cursory analysis of adoption of the UNGPs among the top-15 of co=
mpanies with whom most of the recent RFC authors are affiliated [0]. It turn=
s out that of the top-15 the following 9 have signed up to the UNGPs or have=
 at least a human rights policy:
>>=20
>> Cisco https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/cisco-systems-0?keywords=3D=
cisco
>> Ericsson https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/ericsson-0?keywords=3Der=
icsson#a117755
>> Google https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/google-0?keywords=3Dgoogle=

>> NTT https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/nippon-telegraph-and-telephon=
e-ntt-group-0
>>    http://www.ntt.co.jp/csr_e/report.html
>> Orange https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/orange-0
>> AT&T https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/att-0?keywords=3DAT&T
>> IBM https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/ibm-0?keywords=3DIBM
>> Microsoft https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/microsoft-0?keywords=3D=
Microsoft
>> Comcast https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/comcast-0?keywords=3DComc=
ast
>>=20
>> And the following have not:
>>=20
>> Huawei
>> Alcatel
>> Juniper
>> Nokia
>> Alcatel-lucent
>> Inria
>>=20
>> It might be interesting to assess their reports and policies for their st=
atements about human rights impacts assessments, protocols and standards, in=
 a way similar to what Ranking Digital Rights [1] does, but for a narrower f=
ield.
>>=20
>> Alternatively or additionally, we could also ask the relevant department o=
n their relevant policies and positions.
>>=20
>> Would people be interested in working on such an analysis?
>>=20
>> Best,
>>=20
>> Niels
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> [0] https://www.arkko.com/tools/recrfcstats/companydistr.html
>> [1] https://rankingdigitalrights.org/
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as C. Kettemann, LL.M. (Harvard)</span></p><p><span style=3D"background-colo=
r: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Leibniz Institute for Media Research | Hans-Bred=
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t=3D"_blank">Research Handbook on Human Rights and Digital Technology</a>&nb=
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001pt;"><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">New Workin=
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argin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255=
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culos/ciberseguridad-y-derecho-internacional/" target=3D"_blank">cybersecuri=
ty,&nbsp;</a><a href=3D"http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/frontdoor/i=
ndex/index/docId/48008" target=3D"_blank">Internet Governance,&nbsp;</a><a h=
ref=3D"https://library.fes.de/pdf-files/akademie/12068.pdf" target=3D"_blank=
">international internet law</a>,&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://publikationen.ub.un=
i-frankfurt.de/frontdoor/index/index/year/2017/docId/43690" target=3D"_blank=
">freedom of expression,&nbsp;</a><a href=3D"https://voelkerrechtsblog.org/d=
as-recht-auf-internet-zwischen-voelkerrecht-staatsrecht-und-europarecht/" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">right to internet access,</a>&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://www.in=
tgovforum-deutschland.org/uploads/2/6/8/1/26813832/igf-d_balanced_briefing_n=
etzdg_%5Bd%5D.pdf" target=3D"_blank">Network Enforcement Act (NetzDG)</a></s=
pan></p></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Am 21.02.2019 um 17:54 schrieb <a href=3D=
"mailto:avri@doria.org">avri@doria.org</a>:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Hi,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Is this i=
n our charter?</span><br><span></span><br><span>thanks</span><br><span></spa=
n><br><span>avri</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On 21-Feb=
-19 11:27, Niels ten Oever wrote:</span><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=
Hi all,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></=
blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I made a cursory analysis of adop=
tion of the UNGPs among the top-15 of companies with whom most of the recent=
 RFC authors are affiliated [0]. It turns out that of the top-15 the followi=
ng 9 have signed up to the UNGPs or have at least a human rights policy:</sp=
an><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Cisco <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanr=
ights.org/en/cisco-systems-0?keywords=3Dcisco">https://www.business-humanrig=
hts.org/en/cisco-systems-0?keywords=3Dcisco</a></span><br></blockquote><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><span>Ericsson <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanrig=
hts.org/en/ericsson-0?keywords=3Dericsson#a117755">https://www.business-huma=
nrights.org/en/ericsson-0?keywords=3Dericsson#a117755</a></span><br></blockq=
uote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Google <a href=3D"https://www.business-=
humanrights.org/en/google-0?keywords=3Dgoogle">https://www.business-humanrig=
hts.org/en/google-0?keywords=3Dgoogle</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><span>NTT <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/=
nippon-telegraph-and-telephone-ntt-group-0">https://www.business-humanrights=
.org/en/nippon-telegraph-and-telephone-ntt-group-0</a></span><br></blockquot=
e><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span> &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"http://www.ntt.co=
.jp/csr_e/report.html">http://www.ntt.co.jp/csr_e/report.html</a></span><br>=
</blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Orange <a href=3D"https://www.b=
usiness-humanrights.org/en/orange-0">https://www.business-humanrights.org/en=
/orange-0</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>AT&amp;=
T <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/att-0?keywords=3DAT&amp=
;T">https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/att-0?keywords=3DAT&amp;T</a></s=
pan><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>IBM <a href=3D"https://=
www.business-humanrights.org/en/ibm-0?keywords=3DIBM">https://www.business-h=
umanrights.org/en/ibm-0?keywords=3DIBM</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><span>Microsoft <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanrights.=
org/en/microsoft-0?keywords=3DMicrosoft">https://www.business-humanrights.or=
g/en/microsoft-0?keywords=3DMicrosoft</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><span>Comcast <a href=3D"https://www.business-humanrights.org=
/en/comcast-0?keywords=3DComcast">https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/co=
mcast-0?keywords=3DComcast</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>And the fo=
llowing have not:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></s=
pan><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Huawei</span><br></bloc=
kquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Alcatel</span><br></blockquote><block=
quote type=3D"cite"><span>Juniper</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span>Nokia</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Al=
catel-lucent</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Inria</s=
pan><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>It might be interesting to assess their rep=
orts and policies for their statements about human rights impacts assessment=
s, protocols and standards, in a way similar to what Ranking Digital Rights [=
1] does, but for a narrower field.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Alterna=
tively or additionally, we could also ask the relevant department on their r=
elevant policies and positions.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Would peo=
ple be interested in working on such an analysis?</span><br></blockquote><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><span>Best,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span=
><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Niels</span><br></blockquo=
te><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span>=
<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>[0] <a href=3D"https://www.=
arkko.com/tools/recrfcstats/companydistr.html">https://www.arkko.com/tools/r=
ecrfcstats/companydistr.html</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><span>[1] <a href=3D"https://rankingdigitalrights.org/">https://rankin=
gdigitalrights.org/</a></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>______=
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Bradley Fidler (Asst Professor, Stevens Institute of Technology,
www.brfidler.com) <https://www.brfidler.com/>and I are submitting an
Internet-Draft which we would like to present during the HRPC session in
Prague. We appreciate it if this ID could be considered to be added to the
agenda. We will both be present for the session. We want to contribute to
achieving the outputs of this group in general and more specifically come
up with methods for: Protocol analysis. Data analysis and visualization of
(existing) protocols in the wild to research their concrete impact on human
rights.


Here is a tentative abstract which we are developing the ID based on. Our
draft will contribute to methods for protocol analysis.
Abstract


We propose a tentative research agenda for considering political values in
Internet protocol design. The agenda diverges from other Internet-Drafts on
the issue of Political Values and human rights consideration in that it
does not propose to consider human rights values during the process of
developing protocols. This document argues that while it is not possible to
=E2=80=98encode=E2=80=99 human rights in technical systems such that those =
values are
maintained in any social context, there are still productive ways forward
for organizations interested in considering the consequences of Internet
protocols on human rights.

Regards,

Farzaneh






On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 11:53 AM <avri@doria.org> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Thanks for pinging on the agenda.
>
> I have been thinking about the agenda.  Waiting to see what drafts are
> submitted.
>
> Folks, what drafts, other than hrpc-association, should we expect to
> come in? Anyone have a relevant paper they wish to discuss? I know of a
> few other maybes, but not sure what will actually be submitted.
>
> On hrpc-association, since there has been a discussion of what is next
> for it, wondering if we have some members who would like to review it
> and speak to it and its readiness at the meeting.
>
> Among other things on the agenda, I expect we will have a discussion on
> some recent events, including the situation with IETF id reviews.
>
> Are there other topics people think need to be on the agenda?
>
> Niels, what topic are you suggesting they speak about? Any papers we can
> reference on their work?
>
> thanks
>
> avri
>
>
> On 20-Feb-19 10:36, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> > Dear co-chairs,
> >
> > Are you planning to have a guest-talk at the hrpc session at IETF104?
> >
> > If so, I think it would be very interested to hear of Paul Dourish or
> > Fenwick McKelvey!
> >
> > Happy to help make connections if that's useful.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Niels
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > hrpc mailing list
> > hrpc@irtf.org
> > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc
>
> _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div cl=
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eea-7fff-025f-081f-9725c49a2912" style=3D""><font face=3D"arial, helvetica,=
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bottom:0pt;text-align:justify"><b style=3D"font-weight:normal" id=3D"gmail-=
docs-internal-guid-7f307728-7fff-3cfc-8112-655a815f6c41"><br></b></p><p dir=
=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-ali=
gn:justify"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;fo=
nt-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;ve=
rtical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Bradley Fidler (Asst Professor,=
 Stevens Institute of Technology, </span><a href=3D"http://www.brfidler.com=
" style=3D"text-decoration:none"><span style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204);backgr=
ound-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:norma=
l;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">w=
ww.brfidler.com</span></a><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:=
transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-deco=
ration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">)</span><a href=
=3D"https://www.brfidler.com/" style=3D"text-decoration:none"><span style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-styl=
e:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;w=
hite-space:pre-wrap"> </span></a><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background=
-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;te=
xt-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">and I are =
submitting an Internet-Draft which we would like to present during the HRPC=
 session in Prague. We appreciate it if this ID could be considered to be a=
dded to the agenda. We will both be present for the session. We want to con=
tribute to achieving the outputs of this group in general and more specific=
ally come up with methods for: Protocol analysis. Data analysis and visuali=
zation of (existing) protocols in the wild to research their concrete impac=
t on human rights.</span></p><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.2;margin=
-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify"><b style=3D"font-weight:norm=
al"><br></b></p><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;marg=
in-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);backgroun=
d-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;t=
ext-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Here is a=
 tentative abstract which we are developing the ID based on. Our draft will=
 contribute to methods for protocol analysis.</span></p><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span id=3D"gmai=
l-docs-internal-guid-bd75deea-7fff-025f-081f-9725c49a2912"><font face=3D"ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif"><h1 dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.2;margin=
-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0=
,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-e=
ast-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><font size=
=3D"2">Abstract</font></span></h1><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.2;m=
argin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify"><br></p><h1 dir=3D"ltr"=
 style=3D"line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justi=
fy"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weigh=
t:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-a=
lign:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><font size=3D"2">We propose a tentative=
 research agenda for considering political values in Internet protocol desi=
gn. The agenda diverges from other Internet-Drafts on the issue of Politica=
l Values and human rights consideration in that it does not propose to cons=
ider human rights values during the process of developing protocols. This d=
ocument argues that while it is not possible to =E2=80=98encode=E2=80=99 hu=
man rights in technical systems such that those values are maintained in an=
y social context, there are still productive ways forward for organizations=
 interested in considering the consequences of Internet protocols on human =
rights.</font></span></h1></font></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font face=3D"arial, helve=
tica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-=
serif">Regards,</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">=
<br></font></div><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;mar=
gin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);backgrou=
nd-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:no=
rmal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"></span></p><div style=3D=
"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail-m_=
641668911019124205gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font face=3D"aria=
l, helvetica, sans-serif">Farzaneh</font></div></div></div></div><p dir=3D"=
ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:j=
ustify"><b style=3D"font-weight:normal"><br><br></b></p><h1 dir=3D"ltr" sty=
le=3D"line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify">=
<br></h1></font></span></div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at =
11:53 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:avri@doria.org" target=3D"_blank">avri@doria=
.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex">Hi<br>
<br>
Thanks for pinging on the agenda.<br>
<br>
I have been thinking about the agenda.=C2=A0 Waiting to see what drafts are=
<br>
submitted.<br>
<br>
Folks, what drafts, other than hrpc-association, should we expect to<br>
come in? Anyone have a relevant paper they wish to discuss? I know of a<br>
few other maybes, but not sure what will actually be submitted.<br>
<br>
On hrpc-association, since there has been a discussion of what is next<br>
for it, wondering if we have some members who would like to review it<br>
and speak to it and its readiness at the meeting.<br>
<br>
Among other things on the agenda, I expect we will have a discussion on<br>
some recent events, including the situation with IETF id reviews.<br>
<br>
Are there other topics people think need to be on the agenda?<br>
<br>
Niels, what topic are you suggesting they speak about? Any papers we can<br=
>
reference on their work?<br>
<br>
thanks<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
<br>
On 20-Feb-19 10:36, Niels ten Oever wrote:<br>
&gt; Dear co-chairs,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Are you planning to have a guest-talk at the hrpc session at IETF104?<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If so, I think it would be very interested to hear of Paul Dourish or<=
br>
&gt; Fenwick McKelvey!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Happy to help make connections if that&#39;s useful.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Best,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Niels<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; hrpc mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:hrpc@irtf.org" target=3D"_blank">hrpc@irtf.org</a><b=
r>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc" rel=3D"noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc</a><br>
<br>
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On 2018-10-22, at 13:05, Beatrice Martini <mail@beatricemartini.it> =
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Human Rights Review of QUIC.
...
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-martini-hrpc-quichr-00

related to the recommendation to "examine the opportunity to translate =
the QUIC specification into other languages", I wanted to let you know =
that a group of Chinese-speaking developers has volunteered to work on a =
translation of the QUIC specs into Chinese, which is being coordinated =
in the repo at https://github.com/quicwg/zh-translations

Lars

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On 2019-02-25 10:20, Lars Eggert wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2018-10-22, at 13:05, Beatrice Martini <mail@beatricemartini.it> wrote:
>> As you might remember from previous HRPC Research Group updates at IETF102 and on this list, together with Niels I have been working on a Human Rights Review of QUIC.
> ....
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-martini-hrpc-quichr-00
> related to the recommendation to "examine the opportunity to translate the QUIC specification into other languages", I wanted to let you know that a group of Chinese-speaking developers has volunteered to work on a translation of the QUIC specs into Chinese, which is being coordinated in the repo at https://github.com/quicwg/zh-translations

That's great! What good news :-)

best regards,

Amelia


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Hi Lars,

That's great news! Thank you for sharing.

Best,
Beatrice

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 4:20 AM Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 2018-10-22, at 13:05, Beatrice Martini <mail@beatricemartini.it> wrote:
> > As you might remember from previous HRPC Research Group updates at
> IETF102 and on this list, together with Niels I have been working on a
> Human Rights Review of QUIC.
> ...
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-martini-hrpc-quichr-00
>
> related to the recommendation to "examine the opportunity to translate the
> QUIC specification into other languages", I wanted to let you know that a
> group of Chinese-speaking developers has volunteered to work on a
> translation of the QUIC specs into Chinese, which is being coordinated in
> the repo at https://github.com/quicwg/zh-translations
>
> Lars
>


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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Lars,<div><br></div><div>That&#39;s great news! Thank y=
ou for sharing.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Beatrice</div></di=
v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On M=
on, Feb 25, 2019 at 4:20 AM Lars Eggert &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lars@eggert.o=
rg">lars@eggert.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
On 2018-10-22, at 13:05, Beatrice Martini &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mail@beatri=
cemartini.it" target=3D"_blank">mail@beatricemartini.it</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; As you might remember from previous HRPC Research Group updates at IET=
F102 and on this list, together with Niels I have been working on a Human R=
ights Review of QUIC.<br>
...<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-martini-hrpc-quichr-00" r=
el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-marti=
ni-hrpc-quichr-00</a><br>
<br>
related to the recommendation to &quot;examine the opportunity to translate=
 the QUIC specification into other languages&quot;, I wanted to let you kno=
w that a group of Chinese-speaking developers has volunteered to work on a =
translation of the QUIC specs into Chinese, which is being coordinated in t=
he repo at <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/zh-translations" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/quicwg/zh-translations</a><br=
>
<br>
Lars<br>
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rice Martini<br></div><div><a href=3D"https://twitter.com/beatricemartini" =
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Human Rights Protocol Considerations RG of the IRTF.

        Title           : Notes on networking standards and politics
        Authors         : Niels ten Oever
                          Amelia Andersdotter
	Filename        : draft-irtf-hrpc-political-01.txt
	Pages           : 18
	Date            : 2019-02-27

Abstract:
   The IETF cannot ordain which standards or protocols are to be used on
   network, but the standards developing process in the IETF has a
   normative effect.  Among other things the standardisation work at the
   IETF has implications on what is perceived as technologically
   possible and useful where networking technologies are being deployed,
   and its standards output reflect was is considered by the technical
   community as feasible and good practice.  Because it mediates many
   aspects of modern life, and therefore contributes to the ordering of
   societies and communities, the consideration of the politics and
   (potential) impact of protocols should be part of the standardization
   and development process.  If the technical community refuses to take
   up this responsibility, it should accept that others, such as
   governments, will take up this role.


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That's great Lars, thanks for the update!

On 2/25/19 2:11 PM, Beatrice Martini wrote:
> Hi Lars,
> 
> That's great news! Thank you for sharing.
> 
> Best,
> Beatrice
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> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 4:20 AM Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org <mailto:lars@eggert.org>> wrote:
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>     Hi,
> 
>     On 2018-10-22, at 13:05, Beatrice Martini <mail@beatricemartini.it <mailto:mail@beatricemartini.it>> wrote:
>     > As you might remember from previous HRPC Research Group updates at IETF102 and on this list, together with Niels I have been working on a Human Rights Review of QUIC.
>     ....
>     > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-martini-hrpc-quichr-00
> 
>     related to the recommendation to "examine the opportunity to translate the QUIC specification into other languages", I wanted to let you know that a group of Chinese-speaking developers has volunteered to work on a translation of the QUIC specs into Chinese, which is being coordinated in the repo at https://github.com/quicwg/zh-translations
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>     Lars
> 
> 
> 
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Subject: Re: [hrpc] RFC 8492 and the Human Rights Considerations section
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I do agree this is problematic. On the other hand it does reflect the opinions of some parts of the community. At least this person was ready to engage with the idea of considering the social impacts of a protocol and reflect it in their draft. That is more than can be said of other I-D authors to date... 

8.  Human Rights Considerations

   At the time of publication of this document, there was a growing
   interest in considering the impacts that IETF (and IRTF) work can
   have on human rights; some related research is discussed in
   [RFC8280].  As such, the human rights considerations of TLS-PWD are
   presented here.

   The key exchange underlying TLS-PWD uses public key cryptography to
   perform authentication and authenticated key exchange.  The keys it
   produces can be used to establish secure connections between two
   people to protect their communication.  Implementations of TLS-PWD,
   like implementations of other TLS ciphersuites that perform
   authentication and authenticated key establishment, are considered
   "armaments" or "munitions" by many governments around the world.

   The most fundamental of human rights is the right to protect oneself.
   The right to keep and bear arms is an example of this right.
   Implementations of TLS-PWD can be used as arms, kept and borne, to
   defend oneself against all manner of attackers -- criminals,
   governments, lawyers, etc.  TLS-PWD is a powerful tool in the
   promotion and defense of universal human rights.

On 2/22/19 10:03 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> It seems that RFC 8492 is the first one with an explicit Human Rights
> Considerations section (it mentions RFC 8280).
> 
> But, in that specific case, I would have preferred none :-(
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