From nobody Fri Jan 17 08:00:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F814120856 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 08:00:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 61tmXaB6LGyT for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 08:00:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from homere.koumbit.net (homere.koumbit.net [199.58.80.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E476B12012E for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 08:00:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wr1-f48.google.com (mail-wr1-f48.google.com [209.85.221.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: steph@stephcouture.info) by homere.koumbit.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E83871E40B95 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 11:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wr1-f48.google.com with SMTP id g17so23196285wro.2 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 08:00:49 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWqIZg+flfvbp5l3qdhq6Mh06IhOoZlc7r98egfhs8//bUmsOEI S6bUG1ozAImyUEVWK64ZjBpeycAut8emacByup4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw0kchwwf66GeUeZ4fPmYiCh9G4n15qkUhcdBEeN7aiGZu2jfU+xfFGnf0FnTCiP6dPuVou88tBc+RQDrDcEKg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:118d:: with SMTP id g13mr3674425wrx.141.1579276848230; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 08:00:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane_Couture?= Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 11:00:36 -0500 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: hrpc@irtf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008a773d059c580b2e" Archived-At: Subject: [hrpc] draft association - next meeting X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "mail@nielstenoever.net" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 16:00:57 -0000 --0000000000008a773d059c580b2e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, As we have agreed in the last IETF, we are organizing a set of three online meetings to discuss and improve "draft-association". Joe and I had our first meeting in December with the previous authors (Niels and Gisela) and hrpc chairs, to better understand the work done so far. I'd like to organize our second "seminar" for draft-association within the next two weeks. I created a doodle survey. If you'd like to attend to our second online meeting, please write your availability in the Doodle, by the end of the day next Tuesday, January 21st. Next Wednesday, I'll announce a date and time: https://doodle.com/poll/k72xamyw9pqt53rh Meanwhile, I am still working on developing some proposals based on what we discussed last time (and my own ideas). One of my student is also helping me find documentation to support the text. I intend to present something more concrete in this next meeting, though it might not yet be changes in the draft. Joe and I haven't been able to meet yet (as I understood, he is overwhelmingly busy with his new job). Best, St=C3=A9phane --0000000000008a773d059c580b2e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

As we have agreed in the l= ast IETF, we are organizing a set of three online meetings to discuss and i= mprove "draft-association". Joe and I had our first meeting in De= cember with the previous authors (Niels and Gisela) and hrpc chairs, to bet= ter understand the work done so far.


I'd lik= e to organize our second "seminar" for draft-association within t= he next two weeks. I created a doodle survey. If you'd like to attend t= o our second online meeting, please write your availability in the Doodle, = by the end of the day next Tuesday, January 21st. Next Wednesday, I'll = announce a date and time: https://doodle.com/pol= l/k72xamyw9pqt53rh


=

Meanwhile, I am still work= ing on developing some proposals based on what we discussed last time (and = my own ideas). One of my student is also helping me find documentation to s= upport the text. I intend to present something more concrete in this next m= eeting, though it might not yet be changes in the draft. Joe and I haven= 9;t been able to meet yet (as I understood, he is overwhelmingly busy with = his new job).

Best,


St=C3=A9phane

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Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-As-Hash: f1842a279235a42f6aa2a2a81130733515c5a4ec X-Virus-Scanned: by clamav at smarthost1.samage.net X-Scan-Signature: 12f61b0c8dc8dcc8c992b8e1fde77987 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft association - next meeting X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "mail@nielstenoever.net" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:21:09 -0000 Hi Stephane, Thanks a lot for organizing this, I filled in the Doodle am greatly looking forward. If you feel like sharing some of the proposals (maybe with a diff?) before the meeting, that would be great for preparation! Best, Niels On 1/17/20 5:00 PM, Stéphane Couture wrote: > Hi all, > > As we have agreed in the last IETF, we are organizing a set of three online meetings to discuss and improve "draft-association". Joe and I had our first meeting in December with the previous authors (Niels and Gisela) and hrpc chairs, to better understand the work done so far. > > > I'd like to organize our second "seminar" for draft-association within the next two weeks. I created a doodle survey. If you'd like to attend to our second online meeting, please write your availability in the Doodle, by the end of the day next Tuesday, January 21st. Next Wednesday, I'll announce a date and time: https://doodle.com/poll/k72xamyw9pqt53rh > > > Meanwhile, I am still working on developing some proposals based on what we discussed last time (and my own ideas). One of my student is also helping me find documentation to support the text. I intend to present something more concrete in this next meeting, though it might not yet be changes in the draft. Joe and I haven't been able to meet yet (as I understood, he is overwhelmingly busy with his new job). > > Best, > > > Stéphane > > > _______________________________________________ > hrpc mailing list > hrpc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc > -- Niels ten Oever Researcher and PhD Candidate DATACTIVE Research Group University of Amsterdam PGP fingerprint 2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488 643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 From nobody Sun Jan 19 18:15:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA96120071 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 18:15:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mnot.net header.b=LBsaBhPV; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=eQaNobTm Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RA_Xd-QYRkUN for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 18:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2D7312001E for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 18:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE62821F41; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 21:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 19 Jan 2020 21:15:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mnot.net; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=fm1; bh=R 0xAKV39aER+7c63jjR1xwBpyebdS6sJ8M7tNalW44I=; b=LBsaBhPVvnnIosZTf 2UXQQAt2/hnPuqPI47b0L4omhYtLKUBwAupphi3DndVWv0qb33816wZoCQAwmMRH Z/DDCGJTnxEHGBeKF4vmL0wWOUz789HJiGWWRlsYoIjjZoTTunqXygMEwzDffaP+ jjcUUE7mbrnn1StGWVpYSLaw9CnLY4S/YOmaBJECz3QdXWO1DXrVyZygiQFm/NWH JY1uZMawr0I2+A5hb21//GLGCyjP0XsC5ejOdOIn0VaiFs1lp+T0x1CbVrTK8ya3 UMZ2m8hvUv8upbZb/hjDuP1VkGSig1FGsaBa1tRc5P15Kk4RIUDqKnAZCMyW/+ZU m+g0Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=R0xAKV39aER+7c63jjR1xwBpyebdS6sJ8M7tNalW4 4I=; b=eQaNobTmEsV9savGwUAR4qef09P0PgHwSgaUjrgkJUlqA6E81o7OEd7uf Pd8E0f7NiuY6MkTwpfLJ9zr0tp0oR2S1wK5KsScUkbUPEWnmU/mX6upg18Bg4xnS MOTG1H/L8MeGUoGeJ7UsCYb6COnEGk/bLU0mZa/iDrBBeo91RorDAhOYj0u1nG3X hhT4gXicEL5r+BBBrnayL488eGBj6XkZITaqGV5RASxIV6KIP8D4z6ew6ggrbnb/ tSVWvTu37RpWGXcnvEiKMpx8AxwLs6178eMa7HRMoQo+4AAIGffAnVPfOVIhIEdL um4igugYQi5ZO/BuKBume+wsX0HOw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrudeggdegvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpegtggfuhfgjfffgkfhfvffosehtqhhmtdhhtddvnecuhfhrohhmpeforghrkhcu pfhothhtihhnghhhrghmuceomhhnohhtsehmnhhothdrnhgvtheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpe hgihhthhhusgdrtghomhdpmhhnohhtrdhnvghtnecukfhppeduudelrddujedrudehkedr vdehudenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhnohhtsehmnhhothdrnhgvthenuc evlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from macbook-pro.mnot.net (unknown [119.17.158.251]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5F00A80059; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 21:15:45 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.40.2.2.4\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <20191211205806.GA8364@sources.org> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 13:15:42 +1100 Cc: hrpc@irtf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2DB498F0-60D8-4A46-87A5-C33C5CE6A8A8@mnot.net> References: <157403781873.6404.6154827441040413193.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <01246A3C-31EC-4B7B-841D-F799EEFADCB8@mnot.net> <20191211205806.GA8364@sources.org> To: Stephane Bortzmeyer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.40.2.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hrpc] New Version Notification for draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "mail@nielstenoever.net" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 02:15:51 -0000 Thanks, Stephane. Responses below. > On 12 Dec 2019, at 7:58 am, Stephane Bortzmeyer = wrote: >=20 > On Sat, Dec 07, 2019 at 10:29:15AM +1100, > Mark Nottingham wrote=20 > a message of 196 lines which said: >=20 >> The IAB wanted to give this draft wider exposure to folks than just >> those on architecture-discuss; comment / feedback welcome (here, or >> on the draft issues list at >> =20 > Executive summary; good document, and I would like it to be published. >=20 > One issue, as already noticed by Rich Salz and Vittorio Bertola is the > overblown claims that Web browsers authors are the best people in the > world and that they are always on the side of the users. It is not > true, for several reasons (such as the lack of competition, itself > coming from the difficulty of managing these monster bloatwares) and > it really looks like an attempt to pick "good companies" against bad > ones. I understand and agree with the pushback here, but it's not really the = main point; the browser ecosystem *is* more user-focused than if it = weren't standards-based and diverse in implementation (even if there are = substantial issues in that ecosystem). I've tried to address this with: ~~~ For example, one of the most successful Internet applications is the = Web. One of its key implementation roles is that of the Web browser -- = called the User Agent in {{?RFC7230}} and other specifications. Because = there are multiple interoperable implementations, users can switch with = relatively low costs, and as a result there is a natural tendency to = more carefully consider the user's needs as an agent. This leads to Web = browsers' interests being better aligned with those of their users, = creating an ecosystem that is more user-focused (even if there are = serious challenges in it regarding the balance of power between = implementations and the barrier to entry for new implementations). ~~~ > I have another issue about 4.6 "Deprioritising Internal Needs". I > applaud the recognition of the fact that, if you have priorities, it > means other things are deprioritised, but I fear that, written as it > is, it seems to make fun of architectural work. I have no specific > text to suggest yet, but trying to have "architectural purity" is a > good thing, because otherwise, it will have consequences for all the > Internet and all its users. This has already been discussed and changed to `"architectural purity" = for its own sake.` Thanks, -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Thu Jan 23 19:09:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E499F1200BA for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:09:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GkjkOvXok2yx for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from homere.koumbit.net (homere.koumbit.net [199.58.80.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A94FF120019 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wr1-f53.google.com (mail-wr1-f53.google.com [209.85.221.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: steph@stephcouture.info) by homere.koumbit.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B24B1E40F9B for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 22:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wr1-f53.google.com with SMTP id t2so301399wrr.1 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:09:04 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV0JCPH2tT+HTOWKP0i5zDKHvMs9uGRZ/r/E40C9i/p5VxoiDKT YIIrRDk/R/AhwX7h5Fi4kuk/JM5T1TFUilr++bY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqypZrBV2fPXJY3yup0Su2XE+P903l4HMhIeMz9FE/Zl34KoNiQkFYFzvyK9S62irLkCI+ZooeK17+J7mKaxR6g= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:494f:: with SMTP id r15mr1454000wrs.143.1579835343008; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:09:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane_Couture?= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 22:08:51 -0500 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Niels ten Oever Cc: hrpc@irtf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006c7900059cda145e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft association - next meeting X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "mail@nielstenoever.net" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 03:09:08 -0000 --0000000000006c7900059cda145e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Thanks for the people who answered the Doodle. Considering the responses, I propose we hold the meeting next Wednesday, at 10h30 Eastern Time (3h30pm UTC). The meeting could last 1h - 1h15. I'll try to send some written proposals the day before, as well as a Zoom link to connect. Best, St=C3=A9phane Le sam. 18 janv. 2020 =C3=A0 10:21, Niels ten Oever a =C3=A9crit : > Hi Stephane, > > Thanks a lot for organizing this, I filled in the Doodle am greatly > looking forward. > > If you feel like sharing some of the proposals (maybe with a diff?) befor= e > the meeting, that would be great for preparation! > > Best, > > Niels > > On 1/17/20 5:00 PM, St=C3=A9phane Couture wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > As we have agreed in the last IETF, we are organizing a set of three > online meetings to discuss and improve "draft-association". Joe and I had > our first meeting in December with the previous authors (Niels and Gisela= ) > and hrpc chairs, to better understand the work done so far. > > > > > > I'd like to organize our second "seminar" for draft-association within > the next two weeks. I created a doodle survey. If you'd like to attend to > our second online meeting, please write your availability in the Doodle, = by > the end of the day next Tuesday, January 21st. Next Wednesday, I'll > announce a date and time: https://doodle.com/poll/k72xamyw9pqt53rh > > > > > > Meanwhile, I am still working on developing some proposals based on wha= t > we discussed last time (and my own ideas). One of my student is also > helping me find documentation to support the text. I intend to present > something more concrete in this next meeting, though it might not yet be > changes in the draft. Joe and I haven't been able to meet yet (as I > understood, he is overwhelmingly busy with his new job). > > > > Best, > > > > > > St=C3=A9phane > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hrpc mailing list > > hrpc@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc > > > > -- > Niels ten Oever > Researcher and PhD Candidate > DATACTIVE Research Group > University of Amsterdam > > PGP fingerprint 2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488 > 643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 > > _______________________________________________ > hrpc mailing list > hrpc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc > --0000000000006c7900059cda145e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

Thanks for the peopl= e who answered the Doodle. Considering the responses, I propose we hold the= meeting next Wednesday, at 10h30 Eastern Time (3h30pm UTC). The meeting co= uld last 1h - 1h15.

I'll try to send some writ= ten proposals the day before, as well as a Zoom link to connect.=C2=A0

Best,

St=C3=A9phane


Le=C2=A0sam. 18 janv. 2020 =C3=A0=C2=A010:21, Niels ten Oever <mail@nielstenoever.= net> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Hi Stephane,

Thanks a lot for organizing this, I filled in the Doodle am greatly looking= forward.

If you feel like sharing some of the proposals (maybe with a diff?) before = the meeting, that would be great for preparation!

Best,

Niels

On 1/17/20 5:00 PM, St=C3=A9phane Couture wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As we have agreed in the last IETF, we are organizing a set of three o= nline meetings to discuss and improve "draft-association". Joe an= d I had our first meeting in December with the previous authors (Niels and = Gisela) and hrpc chairs, to better understand the work done so far.
>
>
> I'd like to organize our second "seminar" for draft-asso= ciation within the next two weeks. I created a doodle survey. If you'd = like to attend to our second online meeting, please write your availability= in the Doodle, by the end of the day next Tuesday, January 21st. Next Wedn= esday, I'll announce a date and time: https://doodle.com= /poll/k72xamyw9pqt53rh
>
>
> Meanwhile, I am still working on developing some proposals based on wh= at we discussed last time (and my own ideas). One of my student is also hel= ping me find documentation to support the text. I intend to present somethi= ng more concrete in this next meeting, though it might not yet be changes i= n the draft. Joe and I haven't been able to meet yet (as I understood, = he is overwhelmingly busy with his new job).
>
> Best,
>
>
> St=C3=A9phane
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> hrpc mailing list
> hrpc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc
>

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DATACTIVE Research Group
University of Amsterdam

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Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-As-Hash: f1842a279235a42f6aa2a2a81130733515c5a4ec X-Virus-Scanned: by clamav at smarthost1.samage.net X-Scan-Signature: bbdeaaa4d227adae8d620e69c05793d6 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft association - next meeting X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "mail@nielstenoever.net" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:05:03 -0000 Thanks Stephane, Co-chairs, are these official interim meetings? If so, it would be good if that would be announced on the list. Best, Niels On 1/24/20 4:08 AM, Stéphane Couture wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for the people who answered the Doodle. Considering the responses, I propose we hold the meeting next Wednesday, at 10h30 Eastern Time (3h30pm UTC). The meeting could last 1h - 1h15. > > I'll try to send some written proposals the day before, as well as a Zoom link to connect.  > > Best, > > Stéphane > > > Le sam. 18 janv. 2020 à 10:21, Niels ten Oever > a écrit : > > Hi Stephane, > > Thanks a lot for organizing this, I filled in the Doodle am greatly looking forward. > > If you feel like sharing some of the proposals (maybe with a diff?) before the meeting, that would be great for preparation! > > Best, > > Niels > > On 1/17/20 5:00 PM, Stéphane Couture wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > As we have agreed in the last IETF, we are organizing a set of three online meetings to discuss and improve "draft-association". Joe and I had our first meeting in December with the previous authors (Niels and Gisela) and hrpc chairs, to better understand the work done so far. > > > > > > I'd like to organize our second "seminar" for draft-association within the next two weeks. I created a doodle survey. If you'd like to attend to our second online meeting, please write your availability in the Doodle, by the end of the day next Tuesday, January 21st. Next Wednesday, I'll announce a date and time: https://doodle.com/poll/k72xamyw9pqt53rh > > > > > > Meanwhile, I am still working on developing some proposals based on what we discussed last time (and my own ideas). One of my student is also helping me find documentation to support the text. I intend to present something more concrete in this next meeting, though it might not yet be changes in the draft. Joe and I haven't been able to meet yet (as I understood, he is overwhelmingly busy with his new job). > > > > Best, > > > > > > Stéphane > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hrpc mailing list > > hrpc@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc > > > > -- > Niels ten Oever > Researcher and PhD Candidate > DATACTIVE Research Group > University of Amsterdam > > PGP fingerprint    2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488  >                    643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 > > _______________________________________________ > hrpc mailing list > hrpc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc > -- Niels ten Oever Researcher and PhD Candidate DATACTIVE Research Group University of Amsterdam PGP fingerprint 2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488 643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 From nobody Fri Jan 24 09:27:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16213120B87 for ; 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Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9f8da51e-3ef2-c90f-6959-8f9c4f990e84@nielstenoever.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GYRALNpaI4wSrouGjyqjJQ7se6R7NRCDY" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft association - next meeting X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "mail@nielstenoever.net" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 17:27:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --GYRALNpaI4wSrouGjyqjJQ7se6R7NRCDY Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8jrJGmBiXsnSmn1RJWsMen5tLd5cLR8G9" --8jrJGmBiXsnSmn1RJWsMen5tLd5cLR8G9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 1/24/20 4:04 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote: > Co-chairs, are these official interim meetings? If so, it would be > good if that would be announced on the list. Note that interim meetings, etc. need to be announced at least one week (and ideally at least two weeks) before the meeting. 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Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft association - next meeting X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "mail@nielstenoever.net" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 18:32:14 -0000 Thanks Stéphane, I confirm my participation. On 23/01/20 22:08, Stéphane Couture wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for the people who answered the Doodle. Considering the responses, I > propose we hold the meeting next Wednesday, at 10h30 Eastern Time (3h30pm > UTC). The meeting could last 1h - 1h15. > > I'll try to send some written proposals the day before, as well as a Zoom > link to connect. > > Best, > > Stéphane > > > Le sam. 18 janv. 2020 à 10:21, Niels ten Oever a > écrit : > >> Hi Stephane, >> >> Thanks a lot for organizing this, I filled in the Doodle am greatly >> looking forward. >> >> If you feel like sharing some of the proposals (maybe with a diff?) before >> the meeting, that would be great for preparation! >> >> Best, >> >> Niels >> >> On 1/17/20 5:00 PM, Stéphane Couture wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> As we have agreed in the last IETF, we are organizing a set of three >> online meetings to discuss and improve "draft-association". Joe and I had >> our first meeting in December with the previous authors (Niels and Gisela) >> and hrpc chairs, to better understand the work done so far. >>> >>> >>> I'd like to organize our second "seminar" for draft-association within >> the next two weeks. I created a doodle survey. If you'd like to attend to >> our second online meeting, please write your availability in the Doodle, by >> the end of the day next Tuesday, January 21st. Next Wednesday, I'll >> announce a date and time: https://doodle.com/poll/k72xamyw9pqt53rh >>> >>> >>> Meanwhile, I am still working on developing some proposals based on what >> we discussed last time (and my own ideas). One of my student is also >> helping me find documentation to support the text. I intend to present >> something more concrete in this next meeting, though it might not yet be >> changes in the draft. Joe and I haven't been able to meet yet (as I >> understood, he is overwhelmingly busy with his new job). >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> Stéphane >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> hrpc mailing list >>> hrpc@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc >>> >> >> -- >> Niels ten Oever >> Researcher and PhD Candidate >> DATACTIVE Research Group >> University of Amsterdam >> >> PGP fingerprint 2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488 >> 643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> hrpc mailing list >> hrpc@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc >> > > > _______________________________________________ > hrpc mailing list > hrpc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc > From nobody Tue Jan 28 20:08:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E346120142 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:08:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CfjEa61DFmav for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:08:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from homere.koumbit.net (homere.koumbit.net [199.58.80.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF9CD120130 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:08:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wr1-f44.google.com (mail-wr1-f44.google.com [209.85.221.44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: steph@stephcouture.info) by homere.koumbit.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D9F591E40338 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 23:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wr1-f44.google.com with SMTP id k11so3861923wrd.9 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:08:31 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXopPR2yc085jVZN6PT8klcYYoMwRuFk6rzTM7rj9d4jNUfWU4F ZiLOJCvWUa27eE7TsyeqhGrl31rz2wnVevCs5R4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw+DNm4iQci9+Q+BPrNV6CiXoylNynWyT5bSXpi4aS6sOEDjUp2fTYyWIPptW3CouukytGqvAD1bHTNLOe020s= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:494f:: with SMTP id r15mr33874258wrs.143.1580270910593; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:08:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <60baa104-a496-b808-3de2-d3e682b4e457@derechosdigitales.org> In-Reply-To: <60baa104-a496-b808-3de2-d3e682b4e457@derechosdigitales.org> From: =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane_Couture?= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 23:08:19 -0500 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: hrpc@irtf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000465f88059d3f7e04" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft association - next meeting X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "mail@nielstenoever.net" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 04:08:35 -0000 --000000000000465f88059d3f7e04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, So, I remind you that the online meeting for draft association will be Wednesday January 29th, at 10h30 Eastern Time (3h30pm UTC). The meeting could last 1h - 1h25 Join Zoom Meeting https://yorku.zoom.us/j/533315238 Find your local number: https://yorku.zoom.us/u/avFFYbR4w Meeting ID: 533 315 238 Join by SIP 533315238@zoomcrc.com Also, here are the draft slides for tomorrow. Please note that this is a working document. I do have hard time with typos, especially in English so, sorry for this: https://framadrop.org/r/jgvRpOZUq6#VZ8mgyiCF/fDgIeYUFfhS+JkaJra01Vr98VFv0jK= AmU=3D And for Niels, here is a first small diff: https://github.com/IRTF-HRPC/drafts/compare/master...stephcouture:master Best, St=C3=A9phane Le ven. 24 janv. 2020 =C3=A0 13:31, Juliana Guerra a =C3=A9crit : > Thanks St=C3=A9phane, I confirm my participation. > > On 23/01/20 22:08, St=C3=A9phane Couture wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Thanks for the people who answered the Doodle. Considering the > responses, I > > propose we hold the meeting next Wednesday, at 10h30 Eastern Time (3h30= pm > > UTC). The meeting could last 1h - 1h15. > > > > I'll try to send some written proposals the day before, as well as a Zo= om > > link to connect. > > > > Best, > > > > St=C3=A9phane > > > > > > Le sam. 18 janv. 2020 =C3=A0 10:21, Niels ten Oever > a > > =C3=A9crit : > > > >> Hi Stephane, > >> > >> Thanks a lot for organizing this, I filled in the Doodle am greatly > >> looking forward. > >> > >> If you feel like sharing some of the proposals (maybe with a diff?) > before > >> the meeting, that would be great for preparation! > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Niels > >> > >> On 1/17/20 5:00 PM, St=C3=A9phane Couture wrote: > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> As we have agreed in the last IETF, we are organizing a set of three > >> online meetings to discuss and improve "draft-association". Joe and I > had > >> our first meeting in December with the previous authors (Niels and > Gisela) > >> and hrpc chairs, to better understand the work done so far. > >>> > >>> > >>> I'd like to organize our second "seminar" for draft-association withi= n > >> the next two weeks. I created a doodle survey. If you'd like to attend > to > >> our second online meeting, please write your availability in the > Doodle, by > >> the end of the day next Tuesday, January 21st. Next Wednesday, I'll > >> announce a date and time: https://doodle.com/poll/k72xamyw9pqt53rh > >>> > >>> > >>> Meanwhile, I am still working on developing some proposals based on > what > >> we discussed last time (and my own ideas). One of my student is also > >> helping me find documentation to support the text. I intend to present > >> something more concrete in this next meeting, though it might not yet = be > >> changes in the draft. Joe and I haven't been able to meet yet (as I > >> understood, he is overwhelmingly busy with his new job). > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> > >>> St=C3=A9phane > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> hrpc mailing list > >>> hrpc@irtf.org > >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Niels ten Oever > >> Researcher and PhD Candidate > >> DATACTIVE Research Group > >> University of Amsterdam > >> > >> PGP fingerprint 2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488 > >> 643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> hrpc mailing list > >> hrpc@irtf.org > >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hrpc mailing list > > hrpc@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc > > > > _______________________________________________ > hrpc mailing list > hrpc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc > --000000000000465f88059d3f7e04 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

So, I remind you that the onlin= e meeting for draft association=C2=A0will be Wednesday January 29th, at 10h= 30 Eastern Time (3h30pm UTC). The meeting could last 1h - 1h25
Join Zoom Meeting
https://yorku.zoom.us/j/533315238

Find your local number: <= a href=3D"https://yorku.zoom.us/u/avFFYbR4w">https://yorku.zoom.us/u/avFFYb= R4w
Meeting ID: 533 315 238

Join by SIP
533315238@zoomcrc.com

Also, here are the draft slides for tomorrow. Please note that this is a= working document. I do have hard time with typos, especially in English so= , sorry for this:

And for Niels, here is a first small diff:=C2=A0
https= ://github.com/IRTF-HRPC/drafts/compare/master...stephcouture:master
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Best,

St=C3=A9phane

Le=C2=A0ven. 24 janv. 2020 =C3=A0=C2=A013:31, Juliana Guerra <juliana@derechosdigitales.org= > a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Thanks St=C3=A9phane, I confirm my participation.

On 23/01/20 22:08, St=C3=A9phane Couture wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for the people who answered the Doodle. Considering the respons= es, I
> propose we hold the meeting next Wednesday, at 10h30 Eastern Time (3h3= 0pm
> UTC). The meeting could last 1h - 1h15.
>
> I'll try to send some written proposals the day before, as well as= a Zoom
> link to connect.
>
> Best,
>
> St=C3=A9phane
>
>
> Le sam. 18 janv. 2020 =C3=A0 10:21, Niels ten Oever <mail@nielstenoever.net>= ; a
> =C3=A9crit :
>
>> Hi Stephane,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for organizing this, I filled in the Doodle am greatl= y
>> looking forward.
>>
>> If you feel like sharing some of the proposals (maybe with a diff?= ) before
>> the meeting, that would be great for preparation!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Niels
>>
>> On 1/17/20 5:00 PM, St=C3=A9phane Couture wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As we have agreed in the last IETF, we are organizing a set of= three
>> online meetings to discuss and improve "draft-association&quo= t;. Joe and I had
>> our first meeting in December with the previous authors (Niels and= Gisela)
>> and hrpc chairs, to better understand the work done so far.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to organize our second "seminar" for dr= aft-association within
>> the next two weeks. I created a doodle survey. If you'd like t= o attend to
>> our second online meeting, please write your availability in the D= oodle, by
>> the end of the day next Tuesday, January 21st. Next Wednesday, I&#= 39;ll
>> announce a date and time: https://doodle.com/poll/k= 72xamyw9pqt53rh
>>>
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I am still working on developing some proposals bas= ed on what
>> we discussed last time (and my own ideas). One of my student is al= so
>> helping me find documentation to support the text. I intend to pre= sent
>> something more concrete in this next meeting, though it might not = yet be
>> changes in the draft. Joe and I haven't been able to meet yet = (as I
>> understood, he is overwhelmingly busy with his new job).
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> St=C3=A9phane
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Niels ten Oever
>> Researcher and PhD Candidate
>> DATACTIVE Research Group
>> University of Amsterdam
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--000000000000465f88059d3f7e04-- From nobody Thu Jan 30 22:20:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hrpc@irtf.org Delivered-To: hrpc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772FF12006D; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 22:20:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: hrpc-chairs@ietf.org, mallory@article19.org, hrpc@irtf.org, irtf-chair@irtf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.116.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <158045162541.4435.2353502081282546439.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 22:20:25 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [hrpc] hrpc - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 107 X-BeenThere: hrpc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "mail@nielstenoever.net" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 06:20:25 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Mallory Knodel, a Chair of the hrpc working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Human Rights Protocol Considerations Area Name: IRTF Session Requester: Mallory Knodel Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 75 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: wpack gaia irtfopen pearg Key Participant Conflict: capport dnsop dprive doh regext mls People who must be present: Avri Doria Mallory Knodel Resources Requested: Special Requests: Monday-Wednesday if possible. ---------------------------------------------------------