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Allow a response to associate itself with more than one variant.

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<p>Allow a response to associate itself with more than one variant.</p>
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Would an algorithm to key the cache on a cookie by name work?

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WRT leading zeros -- I suspect they'll be allowed in almost all environments, so disallowing them invites differences in implementation. Is there a good reason for disallowing them, given we have overall length limits?

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Of course, if take that second approach, we'll be pretty much walking the same path as JSON numbers; good interop below the specified minimum, unknowable interop above it.

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<p>Of course, if take that second approach, we'll be pretty much walking the same path as JSON numbers; good interop below the specified minimum, unknowable interop above it.</p>

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This algorithm automatically enforces the ABNF syntax, including length limits.
It still punts on the actual strtoi/strtof part.

Closes #475 ?
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  * write a number algorithm that matches ABNF
  * handle empty string, final "." in float
  * typo in number algorithm

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-header-structure.md (24)

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<p>This algorithm automatically enforces the ABNF syntax, including length limits.<br>
It still punts on the actual strtoi/strtof part.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #475.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="293425228" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/475" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/475">#475</a> ?</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>write a number algorithm that matches ABNF</li>
  <li>handle empty string, final &quot;.&quot; in float</li>
  <li>typo in number algorithm</li>
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As per 9567ea9
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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-header-structure.md (2)

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<p>As per <a class="commit-link" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/commit/9567ea98a09ce24a749382e93984342ab87ec8be"><tt>9567ea9</tt></a></p>

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These were wreaking havoc with my syntax highlighting.
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<p>These were wreaking havoc with my syntax highlighting.</p>

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> but it wouldn't be required

I'm somewhat surprised that there's still that much optional behavior that in the long term can trip folks up.

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I had previous asked about this [during the WG session during IETF 101](https://youtu.be/RaNy8HewRqM?t=8911).

I believe this specification should explicitly declare if servers are obligated to honor quality value prioritisation as given to them from clients. The [example provided in the introduction](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-variants-00#section-1) shows the server serving the French version of the content despite having the English variant available and the user agent setting preference for it. Does this imply that quality values are to be ignored?

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<p>I had previous asked about this <a href="https://youtu.be/RaNy8HewRqM?t=8911" rel="nofollow">during the WG session during IETF 101</a>.</p>
<p>I believe this specification should explicitly declare if servers are obligated to honor quality value prioritisation as given to them from clients. The <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-variants-00#section-1" rel="nofollow">example provided in the introduction</a> shows the server serving the French version of the content despite having the English variant available and the user agent setting preference for it. Does this imply that quality values are to be ignored?</p>

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Can you clarify how you conclude that the server possesses an English variant and ignores the quality values?  The text explicitly says that, because the cache observed the request for `en;q=1.0, fr;q=0.5` got a response in French, it "might be able to infer that an English representation is *not* available." (Emphasis added.)

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Ah, never mind.  In the second example with Variants, the server claims possession of an English variant.  I think this is just a bug in the second example.

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<p>Ah, never mind.  In the second example with Variants, the server claims possession of an English variant.  I think this is just a bug in the second example.</p>

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Sorry, I should have explicitly stated the second example. Bug in the example or not, I still believe this specification should make a clear position.

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<p>Sorry, I should have explicitly stated the second example. Bug in the example or not, I still believe this specification should make a clear position.</p>

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Hi Thomas,

Step 2 of each of the algorithms for `Accept`, `Accept-Language` and `Accep=
t-Encoding` already accounts for this; for example, in [A.1](http://httpwg.=
org/http-extensions/draft-ietf-httpbis-variants.html#content-type):

> 2. Let preferred-types be a list of the types in the request-value, order=
ed by their weight, highest to lowest, as per [RFC7231] Section 5.3.2 (omit=
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eight, an implementation MAY assign one.

I see the bug in the examples; will fix.

Ordering by weight is applying the `q` value.=20

It's not appropriate to make a blanket statement, because not all headers t=
hat use `Variants` will define its use (e.g., the various [Client Hints](ht=
tp://httpwg.org/http-extensions/draft-ietf-httpbis-client-hints.html)). It'=
s up to each individual header to decide how its semantics get mapped into =
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<p>Hi Thomas,</p>
<p>Step 2 of each of the algorithms for <code>Accept</code>, <code>Accept-L=
anguage</code> and <code>Accept-Encoding</code> already accounts for this; =
for example, in <a href=3D"http://httpwg.org/http-extensions/draft-ietf-htt=
pbis-variants.html#content-type" rel=3D"nofollow">A.1</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<ol start=3D"2">
<li>Let preferred-types be a list of the types in the request-value, ordere=
d by their weight, highest to lowest, as per [RFC7231] Section 5.3.2 (omitt=
ing any coding with a weight of 0). If =E2=80=9CAccept=E2=80=9D is not pres=
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<p>I see the bug in the examples; will fix.</p>
<p>Ordering by weight is applying the <code>q</code> value.</p>
<p>It's not appropriate to make a blanket statement, because not all header=
s that use <code>Variants</code> will define its use (e.g., the various <a =
href=3D"http://httpwg.org/http-extensions/draft-ietf-httpbis-client-hints.h=
tml" rel=3D"nofollow">Client Hints</a>). It's up to each individual header =
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Merged #552.

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@annevk you asked

> Or would implementations be allowed to have header-specific knowledge in the network stack and drop these headers on the floor there?

_allowed_ implies optionality. 

My assumption was that you were asking (for example) if a HTTP-aware middle box (let's say it's a WAF / "HTTP Firewall") could be made aware of what headers are structured (side channel, pre-configured, whatever), and decide to drop non-conforming messages as a result.

That's going to be the case -- if someone wants to do that, they're going to do it, and there's not much we can do about it. By the same token, we can't require everyone to deploy these things. So, it's optional.

We *can* require certain behaviours when software parses HTTP headers that refer to this specification, and that's what this issue is about. We can't require every piece of software in the path that sees the HTTP header to pay attention to this spec, however; some of them are going to just see it as a "dumb" string, i.e., a current HTTP/1.1 header.

A new version of HTTP might change that, if we can figure out how. But we're not doing that (yet).


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<p><em>allowed</em> implies optionality.</p>
<p>My assumption was that you were asking (for example) if a HTTP-aware mid=
dle box (let's say it's a WAF / "HTTP Firewall") could be made aware of wha=
t headers are structured (side channel, pre-configured, whatever), and deci=
de to drop non-conforming messages as a result.</p>
<p>That's going to be the case -- if someone wants to do that, they're goin=
g to do it, and there's not much we can do about it. By the same token, we =
can't require everyone to deploy these things. So, it's optional.</p>
<p>We <em>can</em> require certain behaviours when software parses HTTP hea=
ders that refer to this specification, and that's what this issue is about.=
 We can't require every piece of software in the path that sees the HTTP he=
ader to pay attention to this spec, however; some of them are going to just=
 see it as a "dumb" string, i.e., a current HTTP/1.1 header.</p>
<p>A new version of HTTP might change that, if we can figure out how. But w=
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This just fixes a typo, but this text has more problems.

I'm having trouble connecting this final sentence to the text that precedes it.  I think that the point is that including a body on GET is unwise because it might cause explosions.  A point about side effects needs far more exposition, especially since GET is defined to be free from overt side effects (safe, idempotent, and all that business).  If this were just another statement and the "As a result" is dropped, that's different.
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<p>This just fixes a typo, but this text has more problems.</p>
<p>I'm having trouble connecting this final sentence to the text that precedes it.  I think that the point is that including a body on GET is unwise because it might cause explosions.  A point about side effects needs far more exposition, especially since GET is defined to be free from overt side effects (safe, idempotent, and all that business).  If this were just another statement and the "As a result" is dropped, that's different.</p>

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Merged #555.

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Barg, I think that's a copy/paste error, will fix. thx.

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<p>Barg, I think that's a copy/paste error, will fix. thx.</p>

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There are good reasons to use a single, less permissive syntax in this context.  On the assumption that the forgiving parser is mostly an unfortunate consequence of having poor specifications in the past, the move to base64url has several reasons:

1. it's simpler
2. it's smaller
3. it's more secure

The last one is the one I care about.  If we are going to put secrets in header fields, as is our wont, then the encoding and decoding processes need to be constant time.  Now, we don't really know how to do that perfectly, but a limited grammar makes it more likely that we get it right.

Now, the forgiving algorithms aren't actually all that forgiving.  As far as I can tell, they are lax about padding and trailing bits. Given that, they would be perfectly good in this context.

FWIW, I generally prefer the URL-safe variants because you get the following sort of thing less often, which is not good from a security perspective:

```js
base64.encode(x).replace(/\+/g, '-').replace(/\//g, '_')
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<p>There are good reasons to use a single, less permissive syntax in this=
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tunate consequence of having poor specifications in the past, the move to=
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<p>The last one is the one I care about.  If we are going to put secrets =
in header fields, as is our wont, then the encoding and decoding processe=
s need to be constant time.  Now, we don't really know how to do that per=
fectly, but a limited grammar makes it more likely that we get it right.<=
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<p>Now, the forgiving algorithms aren't actually all that forgiving.  As =
far as I can tell, they are lax about padding and trailing bits. Given th=
at, they would be perfectly good in this context.</p>
<p>FWIW, I generally prefer the URL-safe variants because you get the fol=
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Do you have a pointer about the DOH thing? Somewhat curious.

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Someone implemented DOH in a browser and was surprised to see an OPTIONS request.  Basically, CORS worked as intended.

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- refer to 7231 section on considerations for new headers (point out the most important?)
- refer to structured headers?

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- mention that message bodes are removed
- when redirects are handled, request header forwarding is... interesting

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Point out the common trap that `no-cache` responses can still be cached.

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<p>Point out the common trap that <code>no-cache</code> responses can still be cached.</p>

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I believe Section 8 has moved to 9 (FWIW: it's dangerous to use section number references to drafts without specifying the draft number)
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  * replay: fix TLS section ref

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-replay.md (2)

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<p>I believe Section 8 has moved to 9 (FWIW: it's dangerous to use section number references to drafts without specifying the draft number)</p>

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For memento datetime negotiation using the `Accept-Datetime` header, as specified in [RFC7089](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7089), the list of values for `available-value` would typically be too large to convey by-value in the `Variants` header. That is because resource versions with many different datetimes can exist in both resource versioning systems and web archives. In order to convey all  datetime values that could be used for datetime negotiation, an approach to provide these values by-reference rather than by-value would be required. Currently, I assume that datetime negotiation is the only negotiation for which this problem exists but with explorations of other negotiation dimensions on the way (e.g. [fine grained content negotiation](https://ruben.verborgh.org/articles/fine-grained-content-negotiation/)) that may change.

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<p>For memento datetime negotiation using the <code>Accept-Datetime</code> header, as specified in <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7089" rel="nofollow">RFC7089</a>, the list of values for <code>available-value</code> would typically be too large to convey by-value in the <code>Variants</code> header. That is because resource versions with many different datetimes can exist in both resource versioning systems and web archives. In order to convey all  datetime values that could be used for datetime negotiation, an approach to provide these values by-reference rather than by-value would be required. Currently, I assume that datetime negotiation is the only negotiation for which this problem exists but with explorations of other negotiation dimensions on the way (e.g. <a href="https://ruben.verborgh.org/articles/fine-grained-content-negotiation/" rel="nofollow">fine grained content negotiation</a>) that may change.</p>

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After checking, I think it's in fact section 8 (0-RTT and Anti-Replay) in draft 28.

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<p>After checking, I think it's in fact section 8 (0-RTT and Anti-Replay) in draft 28.</p>

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oh - sorry for the confusion then

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@MikeBishop pushed 1 commit.

cec9c5e  A few more...


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Merged #543.

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Hi Herbert,

I think it's possible to do this with Variants; the algorithm for `Accept-Datetime` would ignore `available-values` and consult another header for the URL, look it up and use the retrieved values.

Having said that, I don't think any cache would implement it, because the overhead would be spectacular. Even served from cache, it's looking up a separate URL and doing some non-trivial parsing.

Does that make sense? I know it's not terribly satisfying, but it _could_ be accommodated -- and I think that's good.

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What would it take to re-invigorate CSP Cookie Controls? Given the current visibility of online privacy this might be a good time to revisit it.

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<p>What would it take to re-invigorate CSP Cookie Controls? Given the current visibility of online privacy this might be a good time to revisit it.</p>

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I'm not sure I understand. In your non-browser app example, will the opt-in origin not delegate permission to another origin but the app will choose to send Client Hints to that other origin anyway? Is there a reason that behavior needs to be considered conformant? Or just that delegated permission will be communicated in a different way than Feature Policy for non-browser clients?

Re-reading this thread, it seems like maybe "some or all" is here because `Save-Data` is considered a special case where first-party opt-in won't be required. That seems like something that could be explicitly stated, rather than needing to dig through issue threads to discover.

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@kazuho As discussed, here's a PR for changing the draft authorship.

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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="41567" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a> As discussed, here's a PR for changing the draft authorship.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>

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You might want to mention Fetch here, since if the user agent has any kind of origin policy, they better enforce it for redirects too. Also, there's a bunch of message body forwarding happening too; they're only dropped for a couple of status codes / request methods.

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Hi Mark,

2 things:

- My suggestion was not to have a cache ignore `available-value` (and look at another header), but rather to allow a URL as a value of `available-value` (or another param, e.g. `available-value-url`). 
- As I indicated,  Memento's datetime negotiation is currently the only negotiation with a potentially large namespace of possible values for `available-value`. I wonder whether that will remain the case, though (see e.g.  [fine grained content negotiation](https://ruben.verborgh.org/articles/fine-grained-content-negotiation/)) and as such I also wonder whether a new mechanism to support content negotiation - `Variants` - shouldn't be future proof with this regard?

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<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>2 things:</p>
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<li>My suggestion was not to have a cache ignore <code>available-value</cod=
e> (and look at another header), but rather to allow a URL as a value of <c=
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<li>As I indicated,  Memento's datetime negotiation is currently the only n=
egotiation with a potentially large namespace of possible values for <code>=
available-value</code>. I wonder whether that will remain the case, though =
(see e.g.  <a href=3D"https://ruben.verborgh.org/articles/fine-grained-cont=
ent-negotiation/" rel=3D"nofollow">fine grained content negotiation</a>) an=
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5 paragraphs is probably too much.  We should check to see if anything needs to be salvaged and then shorten to:

A use of TLS exported authenticators is described that enables HTTP/2 clients and servers to offer additional certificate-based credentials after the connection is established.  The means by which these credentials are use with requests is defined.

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<p>5 paragraphs is probably too much.  We should check to see if anything needs to be salvaged and then shorten to:</p>
<p>A use of TLS exported authenticators is described that enables HTTP/2 clients and servers to offer additional certificate-based credentials after the connection is established.  The means by which these credentials are use with requests is defined.</p>

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Prompted by @estark37's feedback on this, we discussed this in person during IETF 101.  The minutes don't capture this, but no one objected to the outcome that was proposed, except that @mnot hasn't uploaded his slides to httpwg/wg-materials, so I can't remember exactly what that was.

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> No major changes to the Expect-CT draft in a while -- only some minor tweaks to reporting (https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/416, https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/417). The open design issue is whether the header should have includeSubdomains support (https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/420). I am not inclined to add this at the moment unless another implementer comes along and wants it. We are unlikely to implement it in Chrome because it's a moderately complex implementation and the marginal value is somewhat small considering that the full CT enforcement date is coming up so soon (April).

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1) Understood. However, the specified syntax for `available-value` is a token, and URLs can't fit into that, so that's the effect -- it has to come from somewhere else. Not a big deal, just how we'd do it.

2) Variant isn't that ambitious; it's just trying to encompass current practice on the Web, and near-future uses like Client Hints. It's definitely going to be inappropriate for some use cases, and this limitation is already documented.

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I think FOH (foo over http), has a tendency to encourage "when x happens, use http code xxx"... the draft talks about not minting new xxx, but doesn't explore why specifying xxx is an iffy idea.

you can really only control what the server emits.. and even then it might be in conflict with some other possible return codes.. but the client needs to be prepared to deal with anything because the server might not be a FOH server.

to generalize - a received error code isn't a strong signal of what actually happened.


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<p>I think FOH (foo over http), has a tendency to encourage "when x happens, use http code xxx"... the draft talks about not minting new xxx, but doesn't explore why specifying xxx is an iffy idea.</p>
<p>you can really only control what the server emits.. and even then it might be in conflict with some other possible return codes.. but the client needs to be prepared to deal with anything because the server might not be a FOH server.</p>
<p>to generalize - a received error code isn't a strong signal of what actually happened.</p>

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In the current draft, the client ties up a stream for a pending request on an unproven domain so that it can send a `NEEDED` frame, permitting the server to respond with `USE`.  This is rather awkward.

However, the alternative is also somewhat unappealing.  In the process of updating #480, I'm adding a suggestion that servers SHOULD respond to `REQUEST` with an appropriate certificate if they have one, which makes this flow much cleaner.  However, there's current no way to *reject* a certificate request without a request stream.

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<p>In the current draft, the client ties up a stream for a pending request on an unproven domain so that it can send a <code>NEEDED</code> frame, permitting the server to respond with <code>USE</code>.  This is rather awkward.</p>
<p>However, the alternative is also somewhat unappealing.  In the process of updating <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="294494381" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/480" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/480">#480</a>, I'm adding a suggestion that servers SHOULD respond to <code>REQUEST</code> with an appropriate certificate if they have one, which makes this flow much cleaner.  However, there's current no way to <em>reject</em> a certificate request without a request stream.</p>

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One possibility:  Since the solution to #482 involves moving `USE`/`NEEDED` onto the control stream, perhaps it should be valid for clients to send those frames in reference to the connection itself?

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Need to update the references here; not doing it in my current PR, so issue to keep me from forgetting.

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<p>Need to update the references here; not doing it in my current PR, so issue to keep me from forgetting.</p>

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Closes #480.
Fixes #482, #484.

I wasn't specifically after #485, but this improved the text in the process.

Moves all frames to stream zero.  Replaces AUTOMATIC_USE on CERTIFICATE frames with UNSOLICITED on USE_CERTIFICATE frames, so you can send (one) certificate on a new request without being asked, but you have to send it every time.
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  * All on stream 0

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md (288)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes pull request #480.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="294494381" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/480" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/480">#480</a>.<br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #482.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="294498061" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/482" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/482">#482</a>, <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="294589761" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/484" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/484">#484</a>.</p>
<p>I wasn't specifically after <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="294590932" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/485" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/485">#485</a>, but this improved the text in the process.</p>
<p>Moves all frames to stream zero.  Replaces AUTOMATIC_USE on CERTIFICATE frames with UNSOLICITED on USE_CERTIFICATE frames, so you can send (one) certificate on a new request without being asked, but you have to send it every time.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/566/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>
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TAG feedback: this needs to be strengthened:

> =E2=80=9Chttps=E2=80=9D is preferred to provide authentication, integri=
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Kari points out that wouldn't help (as the commas could be escaped by a dangling `\` at the end of the first header instance).

I don't think we can reliably fail, given that in some implementations, multiple instances of a header field are folded before they get to the parser.

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<p>Kari points out that wouldn't help (as the commas could be escaped by a =
dangling <code>\</code> at the end of the first header instance).</p>
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<p>... needs some tweaking.</p>

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I think reliably not failing is fine. If you don't want header injection you need to disallow commas.

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<p>I think reliably not failing is fine. If you don't want header injection you need to disallow commas.</p>

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Makes sense - we can mention that in Security Considerations.

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<p>Makes sense - we can mention that in Security Considerations.</p>

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Merged #572.

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Sorry I didn't see this when you first filed it.

> I understand that @mikewest still prefers cookie priorities, but no one at Mozilla has
> any interest in that solution and it didn't seem to get any traction when we discussed
> it before.

I'd rephrase this a bit. :) The relevant claim here is less that I prefer `Priority` (though I do), and more that Chrome has been shipping the `Priority` attribute for years and I have personal knowledge of Google's internal dependency on the attribute for the corporate intranet. I have anecdotal stories of similar dependency in other companies, but nothing I can point to public statements to justify.

I recognize that other vendors are unlikely to ship the attribute. I'm very open to reviewing the results of y'all's experimentation to see if the results in other browsers show that we're making the wrong choice in Chrome, but my (biased) opinion at the moment is that `Priority` solves this problem in a way that puts developers more directly in control of the eviction process, and that that control is concretely valuable in scenarios that run up against the vendor-specified limits on a regular basis.

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<p>Sorry I didn't see this when you first filed it.</p>
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1497" href=3D"https://github.com/mikewest">@mikewest</a> still prefers co=
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Chrome, but my (biased) opinion at the moment is that <code>Priority</cod=
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trol of the eviction process, and that that control is concretely valuabl=
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  * Made all references to "very large"/"very large values" lower case

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-rand-access-live.xml (6)

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  <li>Made all references to &quot;very large&quot;/&quot;very large values&quot; lower case</li>
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martinthomson approved this pull request.

LGTM.

Do you think that you want to provide some guidance about choice?  That is, that the client chooses this value based on it being more than they are expecting to be present on the resource, or at least enough that making another range request isn't going to be onerous.  And that that is balanced against the risk of too large values causing problems like integer overflow on the server side.



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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>LGTM.</p>
<p>Do you think that you want to provide some guidance about choice?  That is, that the client chooses this value based on it being more than they are expecting to be present on the resource, or at least enough that making another range request isn't going to be onerous.  And that that is balanced against the risk of too large values causing problems like integer overflow on the server side.</p>

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@martinthomson 

Thanks Martin,

Do you think some of the language from Section 5 needs to be mentioned/reiterated earlier?

Guess I could say something like "a value much larger than the expected maximum size of the representation should be provided by the client (see section 5 for security considerations)"?

Here's most of Section 5

`...in applications where there's no expectation that the representation will ever exceed 2^63, a value smaller than this value should be used as the very large last-byte-pos in a byte-seek request or content-range response. Also, some implementations (e.g. JavaScript-based clients and servers) are not able to represent all values beyond 2^53. So similarly, if there's no expectation that a representation will ever exceed 2^53 bytes, values smaller than this limit should be used for the last-byte-pos in byte-range requests.`

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There is currently a discrepancy in the spec regarding invalid values
in the SameSite cookie attribute.

For example, this cookie:

  Set-Cookie: foo=bar; SameSite=bogus

is expected to be dropped entirely according to the "Server Requirements"
under Section 4.1.2.7:

  If the "SameSite" attribute's value is neither of these [ "Lax",
  "Strict" ], the cookie will be ignored.

whereas under Section 5.3.7 of "User Agent Requirements", the cookie
is to be kept but the attribute is ignored:

  If cookie-av's attribute-value is not a case-insensitive match for
  "Strict" or "Lax", ignore the "cookie-av".

Additionally, the end of Section 4.1.2 also matches the behavior
described in Section 5.3.7:

  User agents ignore unrecognized cookie attributes (but not the entire
  cookie).

>From a forward-compatibility point of view, the behavior described in
section 5.3.7 is the ideal one since it allows for future expansion
of this feature such as:

  Set-Cookie: foo=bar; SameSite=medium
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/574

-- Commit Summary --

  * Clarify handling of invalid SameSite values (fixes #389)

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-httpbis-rfc6265bis.md (2)

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<p>There is currently a discrepancy in the spec regarding invalid values<br>
in the SameSite cookie attribute.</p>
<p>For example, this cookie:</p>
<p>Set-Cookie: foo=bar; SameSite=bogus</p>
<p>is expected to be dropped entirely according to the "Server Requirements"<br>
under Section 4.1.2.7:</p>
<p>If the "SameSite" attribute's value is neither of these [ "Lax",<br>
"Strict" ], the cookie will be ignored.</p>
<p>whereas under Section 5.3.7 of "User Agent Requirements", the cookie<br>
is to be kept but the attribute is ignored:</p>
<p>If cookie-av's attribute-value is not a case-insensitive match for<br>
"Strict" or "Lax", ignore the "cookie-av".</p>
<p>Additionally, the end of Section 4.1.2 also matches the behavior<br>
described in Section 5.3.7:</p>
<p>User agents ignore unrecognized cookie attributes (but not the entire<br>
cookie).</p>
<p>From a forward-compatibility point of view, the behavior described in<br>
section 5.3.7 is the ideal one since it allows for future expansion<br>
of this feature such as:</p>
<p>Set-Cookie: foo=bar; SameSite=medium</p>

<hr>

<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/574'>https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/574</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>Clarify handling of invalid SameSite values (fixes #389)</li>
</ul>

<h4>File Changes</h4>
<ul>
  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/574/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-httpbis-rfc6265bis.md</a>
    (2)
  </li>
</ul>

<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
<ul>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/574.patch'>https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/574.patch</a></li>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/574.diff'>https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/574.diff</a></li>
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#574 is my proposal to fix this.

We ran into this issue in the Firefox implementation: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1430803

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This seems to be OBE.  The certificate_request_context in the current draft (stated in #481) is `the two-octet Request-ID as well as at least 96 bits of additional entropy.`  This seems sufficiently unpredictable, and the Request-ID is required to be unique, so even if it's a counter the combination should be both unique and unpredictable.

Cert-ID doesn't appear to be passed to the Exported Authenticator API at all, so that's a moot point.

@grittygrease, @martinthomson, please re-open if you think there's more required to meet these requirements.

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<p>This seems to be OBE.  The certificate_request_context in the current dr=
aft (stated in <a class=3D"issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text=3D"Fai=
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I'm a little dubious about this.  Having the same value transported in two different fields and then checking that they're equal seems potentially more error-prone than just transporting it in one place, even if that one place is by calling into a library to interpret for you.

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I assume annotation would just be an OID on the certificate?  It makes me a little sad to say that all current certificates are invalid for this purpose, but there's definitely value in limiting the scope of a key compromise.

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Fixes #562.
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #562.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="311821529" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/562" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/562">#562</a>.</p>

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A quick look (JavaScript, Python, Ruby) shows that most "url-safe base64" implementations _in the standard libraries_ do exactly that. Also, it appears to be less available than straight base64.

So I'm not sure that specifying `base64url` is going to have the intended effect. I'm more inclined to leave the spec as-is and assure that the test cases (coming any day!) explore the dark corners here.

Is that sufficient?

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<p>A quick look (JavaScript, Python, Ruby) shows that most "url-safe base=
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That would be perfect.  Note that the security considerations here are more "compatibility considerations" than anything else.

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<p>That would be perfect.  Note that the security considerations here are more "compatibility considerations" than anything else.</p>

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Yeah.  The standard approach is to include a critical extension and reject attempts to use an EE cert that doesn't include the extension.  We would probably only levy that requirement on servers though.

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> @@ -80,7 +66,7 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at
 
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-server authentication in HTTP has been in the form of X.509 certificates
+server authentication in HTTP has been in the form of the single X.509 certificate

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/575#discussion_r180270851">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
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> @@ -80,7 +66,7 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at
 
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-server authentication in HTTP has been in the form of X.509 certificates
+server authentication in HTTP has been in the form of the single X.509 certificate

Perhaps; "the" when there's only one, and the point of the statement is that there's only one.  But maybe I'm over-emphasizing that?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/575#discussion_r180285059">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
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-server authentication in HTTP has been in the form of X.509 certificates
+server authentication in HTTP has been in the form of the single X.509 certificate
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<p>Perhaps; "the" when there's only one, and the point of the statement is that there's only one.  But maybe I'm over-emphasizing that?</p>

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



> @@ -80,7 +66,7 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at
 
 HTTP clients need to know that the content they receive on a connection comes
 from the origin that they intended to retrieve in from. The traditional form of
-server authentication in HTTP has been in the form of X.509 certificates
+server authentication in HTTP has been in the form of the single X.509 certificate

Yeah, "the single" is redundant in that sense.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/575#discussion_r180286336">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -80,7 +66,7 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at
 
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OK, my inclination is to take the second approach -- namely add some text that explains that what we specify are minimums, up to which interop is guaranteed, and beyond which is anybody's guess. 

That allows implementations to do fixed-size implementations if they want, and future serialisations to make assumptions about sizes as well, without requiring failure if a limit is hit. 

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mikewest approved this pull request.

LGTM % wording nit.

Would you mind starting an `-03` section in the "changes" appendix, and adding this in?

> @@ -667,7 +667,7 @@ If the "SameSite" attribute's value is "Strict", the cookie will only be sent
 along with "same-site" requests. If the value is "Lax", the cookie will be sent
 with same-site requests, and with "cross-site" top-level navigations, as
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-these, the cookie will be ignored.
+these, the `cookie-av` will be ignored.

```s/`cookie-av`/attribute/```: `cookie-av` doesn't have any meaning until the algorithm in 5.3.

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<p><b>@mikewest</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>LGTM % wording nit.</p>
<p>Would you mind starting an <code>-03</code> section in the "changes" appendix, and adding this in?</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/574#discussion_r180303469">draft-ietf-httpbis-rfc6265bis.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -667,7 +667,7 @@ If the &quot;SameSite&quot; attribute&#39;s value is &quot;Strict&quot;, the cookie will only be sent
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<p><code>s/`cookie-av`/attribute/</code>: <code>cookie-av</code> doesn't have any meaning until the algorithm in 5.3.</p>

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I'd rather browsers only have a single base64 implementation and a single base64url implementation. Having two different base64 variants would be slightly annoying.

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<p>I'd rather browsers only have a single base64 implementation and a single base64url implementation. Having two different base64 variants would be slightly annoying.</p>

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@annevk where is the browser implementation of base64url specified? I.e., how to do we know that it has the properties we're looking for?

Also, given that there are a small number of browser vendors and they're highly motivated, and there are many people using many different server-side implementation libraries, I'm not sure we should be optimising for the browser makers.

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Reopened #539.

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@mnot if I'm to believe @martinthomson browsers match the base64url definition defined by the RFCs. It's base64 that's divergent.

(I'll note that the argument you present there was also frequently cited for URLs and other data types. Unfortunately it doesn't really work since nobody is that on the ball and pays attention to all the details, so implementations leak and get copy-and-pasted and end up in the wrong spot affecting the larger ecosystem.)

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* `Variants` looks like a parameterised list
* `Variant-Key` is currently a list of strings, but if #548 is adopted, its syntax will need to be changed, as it doesn't fit into parameterised list particularly well (although I guess it could).

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Merged #573.

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Also considering if "Security Considerations" can be "Compatibility Considerations".
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  * Added a small blurb referencing client range-end considerations from section 5

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-rand-access-live.xml (2)

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<p>Also considering if "Security Considerations" can be "Compatibility Considerations".</p>

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I haven't renamed "Security Considerations" in this version. And I have no issue with calling this "Compatibility Considerations". But I have some recollection that this is a required section...

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https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/372#issuecomment-350352022

> I'm not sure I understand. In your non-browser app example, will the opt-in origin not delegate permission to another origin but the app will choose to send Client Hints to that other origin anyway? Is there a reason that behavior needs to be considered conformant? Or just that delegated permission will be communicated in a different way than Feature Policy for non-browser clients?

The latter. Let's say I'm building a native game app, with assets living on one or multiple CDNs which I know and trust upfront. I may encode my "delegation decision" directly into my code (by appending appropriate CH hints on outbound requests) that's responsible for initiating the fetches; all of this work lives outside of a webview/browser. Which is to say, CH is not browser specific and we should allow for non-FP delegation mechanisms. 

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For active branches, the template builds copies of the documents as they appear on each branch.  (For example, [This link](http://httpwg.github.io/http-extensions/off-streams/draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.html) would point to the version of Secondary Certs if #566 were merged.)  It appears that anything under httpwg.github.io/http-extensions redirects to httpwg.org/http-extensions, but not all content is actually mirrored there, as I get a 404 when following the redirect.

Not sure how the mirroring is currently accomplished, so I'm not sure how to suggest fixing it.

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<p>For active branches, the template builds copies of the documents as they appear on each branch.  (For example, <a href="http://httpwg.github.io/http-extensions/off-streams/draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.html" rel="nofollow">This link</a> would point to the version of Secondary Certs if <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="312153194" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/566" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/566">#566</a> were merged.)  It appears that anything under httpwg.github.io/http-extensions redirects to httpwg.org/http-extensions, but not all content is actually mirrored there, as I get a 404 when following the redirect.</p>
<p>Not sure how the mirroring is currently accomplished, so I'm not sure how to suggest fixing it.</p>

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Nevermind, it's simpler than that.  `-` versus `_` in branch name.  =F0=9F=
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<p>Done. Let me know if I missed anything else.</p>

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I don't think that is right, or I apologize if that is an impression I gave.  My understanding matches that @mnot gained.  base64 is widely implemented, base64url less so and often just wrapping base64 in a hacky fashion.  But it will depend on context as to what is good and what isn't.

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@annevk does that address your concern?

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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="1544111" href="https://github.com/annevk">@annevk</a> does that address your concern?</p>

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@martinthomson see https://github.com/w3c/push-api/issues/280.

@mnot I'm just more confused now.

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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="67641" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> see <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="251178591" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/w3c/push-api/issues/280" href="https://github.com/w3c/push-api/issues/280">w3c/push-api#280</a>.</p>
<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="74384" href="https://github.com/mnot">@mnot</a> I'm just more confused now.</p>

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Closed #389 via c303325cd14b3fbbda85b22f2bdee622d922c5be.

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@craigpratt pushed 1 commit.

1c2d66b  Cleaned up/shortened added blurb


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Call me a perfectionist, but on reread, I realized there was a cleaner/shorter way to clarify. 

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<p>Call me a perfectionist, but on reread, I realized there was a cleaner/shorter way to clarify.</p>
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Merged #576.

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Gotcha. So it sounds like there is agreement that non-browser clients should restrict delivery unless there is explicitly delegated permission, and just that in the non-Web case that permission might be delegated through means other than Feature Policy, e.g. internal policy implemented through server/client code.

Can we remove "some or all" or explicitly note the hints that aren't restricted to particular origins? Do we want this to be SHOULD even if it applies to all kinds of servers/clients?

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> Can we remove "some or all" or explicitly note the hints that aren't rest=
ricted to particular origins?=20

As outlined in https://github.com/WICG/feature-policy/issues/129, in some c=
ases the default "delegation policy" can be "*" =E2=80=94 i.e. deliver to a=
ll. Concrete example today is Save-Data, where Chrome decided to deliver th=
is hint on all requests when Data Saver feature is enabled. As such, I thin=
k we need to keep the "some or all".

> Do we want this to be SHOULD even if it applies to all kinds of servers/c=
lients?

"MUST ... some or all" doesn't seem right? In fact, I'm wondering if I ough=
t to convert all the capital terms in that sections to non-normative.

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<p>Can we remove "some or all" or explicitly note the hints that aren't res=
tricted to particular origins?</p>
</blockquote>
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feature-policy#129</a>, in some cases the default "delegation policy" can b=
e "*" =E2=80=94 i.e. deliver to all. Concrete example today is Save-Data, w=
here Chrome decided to deliver this hint on all requests when Data Saver fe=
ature is enabled. As such, I think we need to keep the "some or all".</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Do we want this to be SHOULD even if it applies to all kinds of servers/=
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<p>"MUST ... some or all" doesn't seem right? In fact, I'm wondering if I o=
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Generally, 2119 requirements in Security Considerations are a bit weird / frowned upon. Requirements are to improve interop; general advice to specifications and implementations aren't what they're for. 

Also, the W3C TAG has expressed some sadness about these requirements. So personally I think that turning this text into prose is appropriate, FWIW.

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<p>Also, the W3C TAG has expressed some sadness about these requirements. S=
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Closing; if you aren't happy please comment / reopen.

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<p>Closing; if you aren't happy please comment / reopen.</p>

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This is already covered in "Specifying Client Behaviours". I'm tempted to break out a separate "redirects" section, but let's see.

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<p>This is already covered in "Specifying Client Behaviours". I'm tempted to break out a separate "redirects" section, but let's see.</p>

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Can the TAG have written comments somewhere so we can understand that better?

I agree that 2119 language is intended for interop. Sometimes knowing which things require permission and which don't is both a security consideration and important for interoperability of implementations.

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@mnot pushed 4 commits.

990783d  adjust intro
2f34140  that doesn't need to be parenthetical
e06841b  lowercase i
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<p><a href="https://github.com/mnot" class="user-mention">@mnot</a> pushed 4 commits.</p>

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For #433.

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* Removes the size limits for all types except floats, integers and identifiers
* Specifies minimum sizes for parsers to support (currently, the old limits; discuss?)
* Adds some Security Considerations about header sizes.

It seemed like the right thing to do to hard-limit identifiers, since they're used as dictionary keys, etc. Thoughts?
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  * Remove size limits, except numbers and identifiers
  * Add security consideration about header sizes
  * Add minimum limits for parsers.

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-header-structure.md (82)

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<p>This:</p>
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<li>Removes the size limits for all types except floats, integers and identifiers</li>
<li>Specifies minimum sizes for parsers to support (currently, the old limits; discuss?)</li>
<li>Adds some Security Considerations about header sizes.</li>
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<p>It seemed like the right thing to do to hard-limit identifiers, since they're used as dictionary keys, etc. Thoughts?</p>

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  <li>Remove size limits, except numbers and identifiers</li>
  <li>Add security consideration about header sizes</li>
  <li>Add minimum limits for parsers.</li>
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See PR #578; comments / suggestions most welcome.

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@annevk as I read it, we can close this with no action. I understand your confusion, but I don't think it currently affects this spec (at least, until we get more information).

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Do we feel confident enough to say anything about Push yet? Or conversely, should we warn that we don't know if it's going to be useful?

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<p>Do we feel confident enough to say anything about Push yet? Or conversely, should we warn that we don't know if it's going to be useful?</p>

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Sure.  There is a risk that this dates the document, but then we're committing to maintaining this more actively in the next few years anyway.  I think we probably want to say something like.

Usefulness for web performance: questionable, see 103.
Usefulness for other applications: maybe.
Availability of APIs: patchy.

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<p>Sure.  There is a risk that this dates the document, but then we're comm=
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<p>Usefulness for web performance: questionable, see 103.<br>
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perhaps along the lines of https://www.mnot.net/blog/2012/09/05/patch

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<p>perhaps along the lines of <a href="https://www.mnot.net/blog/2012/09/05/patch" rel="nofollow">https://www.mnot.net/blog/2012/09/05/patch</a></p>

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*sigh*

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* https://www.mnot.net/blog/2012/07/11/header_versioning

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<p><em>sigh</em></p>
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Source: https://www.mnot.net/blog/2013/06/23/linking_apis

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<p>Source: <a href="https://www.mnot.net/blog/2013/06/23/linking_apis" rel="nofollow">https://www.mnot.net/blog/2013/06/23/linking_apis</a></p>

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Source: https://www.mnot.net/blog/2007/08/07/etags

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<p>Source: <a href="https://www.mnot.net/blog/2007/05/15/expires_max-age" rel="nofollow">https://www.mnot.net/blog/2007/05/15/expires_max-age</a></p>

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I guess as long as you write tests that demonstrate how it works differently from `data:` URLs you might be okay, but I'm still doubtful implementations have multiple base64 variants (other than base64url) and it's rather questionable that they should have. (I disagree with your rationale that implementers with a large code base should be able to tolerate shoddy architecture. That just hinders competition, refactoring, etc.)

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> I disagree with your rationale that implementers with a large code base should be able to tolerate shoddy architecture

That is not my rationale, and I'm not sure how emotive words like "shoddy architecture" help.

If `base64url` is a genuinely different codebase that has the properties we want, that's great; however, from what I saw, it's generally a wrapper around `base64` implementations.

> I'm still doubtful implementations have multiple base64 variants (other than base64url)

Quick spot-check shows broad support for "variants" along the lines of what we're looking for:

* [Python](https://docs.python.org/3.5/library/base64.html#base64.b64decode) - `validate` flag
* [Ruby](https://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.5.0/libdoc/base64/rdoc/Base64.html) -  `strict_decode64` function
* [Go](https://golang.org/pkg/encoding/base64/#Encoding.Decode) - raises `CorruptInputError` on non-b64 characters.
* [PHP](https://secure.php.net/manual/en/function.base64-decode.php) - `$strict` argument
* [Swift](https://developer.apple.com/documentation/foundation/nsdata.base64decodingoptions) - `ignoreUknownCharacters` constant
* [Java](https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/Base64.html) - rejects characters outside the b64 alphabet by default

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<p>I disagree with your rationale that implementers with a large code bas=
e should be able to tolerate shoddy architecture</p>
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<p>That is not my rationale, and I'm not sure how emotive words like "sho=
ddy architecture" help.</p>
<p>If <code>base64url</code> is a genuinely different codebase that has t=
he properties we want, that's great; however, from what I saw, it's gener=
ally a wrapper around <code>base64</code> implementations.</p>
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<p>I'm still doubtful implementations have multiple base64 variants (othe=
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<li><a href=3D"https://docs.python.org/3.5/library/base64.html#base64.b64=
decode" rel=3D"nofollow">Python</a> - <code>validate</code> flag</li>
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4.html" rel=3D"nofollow">Ruby</a> -  <code>strict_decode64</code> functio=
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FWIW, WebDAV indeed uses OPTIONS, but clients do not actually *need* it. All the information made available in OPTIONS can be derived differently (Allow, observing status codes, checking live DAV properties).

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....instead of RFC defining it.
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  * replay: refer to actual header field registry

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-replay.md (2)

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<p>....instead of RFC defining it.</p>

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@MikeBishop pushed 2 commits.

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Fixes #564.

If clients need a server certificate before making requests for an origin, they can send `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` for stream zero, indicating the connection.  Servers respond with `USE_CERTIFICATE`.

Known drawbacks:
  - Since `USE_CERTIFICATE` has to be sent in order, if the client requests a batch of domains, the server can't provide the requested certificates out-of-order (though it can outright reject some of them).
  - This is fine for H2; in HTTP/QUIC, we'll need to decide if this is still zero, or if it's 3/4, or something else.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Reference stream 0

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md (27)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #564.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="312145319" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/564" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/564">#564</a>.</p>
<p>If clients need a server certificate before making requests for an origin, they can send <code>CERTIFICATE_NEEDED</code> for stream zero, indicating the connection.  Servers respond with <code>USE_CERTIFICATE</code>.</p>
<p>Known drawbacks:</p>
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<li>Since <code>USE_CERTIFICATE</code> has to be sent in order, if the client requests a batch of domains, the server can't provide the requested certificates out-of-order (though it can outright reject some of them).</li>
<li>This is fine for H2; in HTTP/QUIC, we'll need to decide if this is still zero, or if it's 3/4, or something else.</li>
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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/586/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>
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Should applications using HTTP be allowed to specify a minimum version? If so, what are the criteria / limits?

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<p>Should applications using HTTP be allowed to specify a minimum version? If so, what are the criteria / limits?</p>

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The DoH WG answered this by saying "no" - applications are supposed to be defined at the semantic layer. (although I would quibble and say 56bis and the word 'allow' don't go too well together - its advice).

Most of the discussion centered around how it is impossible to really leverage the ecosystem and actually know what versions are available. (mitm, load balancers, browser portabiity, etc..) so this would be very fragile.

This conclusion was reached for DoH even though there was agreement  DoH really requires multiplexing to work well. DoH did end up documenting this relationship and SHOULDing h2, but not requiring it.


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We should update spec to include 3 network quality related client hints:
"rtt", "downlink", "ect".

The values of the client hints matches the value provided by the JavaScript API (navigator.connection.rtt, navigator.connection.downlink, navigator.connection.effectiveType respectively):
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<p>We should update spec to include 3 network quality related client hints:<br>
"rtt", "downlink", "ect".</p>
<p>The values of the client hints matches the value provided by the JavaScript API (navigator.connection.rtt, navigator.connection.downlink, navigator.connection.effectiveType respectively):<br>
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Closed #588.

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  * bcp56bis: 302 *response* not *request*

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mnot commented on this pull request.



> @@ -519,7 +519,7 @@ of an application's specification.
 
 The 3xx series of status codes specified in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.4 are used to direct the user
 agent to another resource to satisfy the request. The most common of these are 301, 302, 307 and
-308, all of which use the Location response header field to indicate where the client should send
+308 ({{RFC7538}}), all of which use the Location response header field to indicate where the client should send

Needs to be {{?RFC7538}}

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<p><b>@mnot</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/590#discussion_r182271610">draft-ietf-httpbis-bcp56bis.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -519,7 +519,7 @@ of an application&#39;s specification.
 
 The 3xx series of status codes specified in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.4 are used to direct the user
 agent to another resource to satisfy the request. The most common of these are 301, 302, 307 and
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The point here is to illustrate an entire exchange, so I think it's one example.

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<p>The point here is to illustrate an entire exchange, so I think it's one example.</p>

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Yes, but it displays as a single piece of artwork which I find confusing. I don't believe we have a single spec in HTTPbis space where we made request and response part of a single piece of artwork.

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That make sense, because HTTPbis generally illustrates how to implement HTTP, not applications on top of it. I suspect that most applications are going to want to demonstrate complete request/response interactions, not messages in isolation. It's also better practice to show both IMO.

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Yes, both should be shown. This is about *how*.

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<p>Yes, both should be shown. This is about <em>how</em>.</p>

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Merged #589.

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@reschke pushed 1 commit.

15ac8d8  fix ref syntax


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These headers will be defined in NetInfo, same as `Save-Data`. PR: https://github.com/WICG/netinfo/pull/69. Let's continue discussion there.

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Closing for now, but happy to reopen if there's more data / thoughts.

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@mcmanus how does that look?

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I think the main thing you want to do here is make sure the testsuite really covers all the various angles. In particular the differences in processing with https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/blob/master/fetch/data-urls/resources/base64.json.

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Do we actually still have a concept of "maximum"? What would be the relation between HTTP/QUIC vs HTTP/2?

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<p>Do we actually still have a concept of "maximum"? What would be the relation between HTTP/QUIC vs HTTP/2?</p>

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According to RFC 7231, Section 8.3.1.

I didn't include anything here about Vary because I wanted to discuss that first and these seemed uncontroversial.  It seems OK to say that Vary is permitted here because we expressly talk about varied reactions based on the presence of Early-Data.  If that's right, I will amend this with a second commit.  (I'm jetlagged, so being a little cautious.)
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<p>According to RFC 7231, Section 8.3.1.</p>
<p>I didn't include anything here about Vary because I wanted to discuss that first and these seemed uncontroversial.  It seems OK to say that Vary is permitted here because we expressly talk about varied reactions based on the presence of Early-Data.  If that's right, I will amend this with a second commit.  (I'm jetlagged, so being a little cautious.)</p>

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Your proposal looks very clear to me, despite your jetlag :-)  I agree with you that Vary should be OK. I don't even think we need to say anything about it then.

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<p>Your proposal looks very clear to me, despite your jetlag :-)  I agree with you that Vary should be OK. I don't even think we need to say anything about it then.</p>

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Oxford comma (or just replace the sentence with "it might not work when intermediaries are present."

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<p>Oxford comma (or just replace the sentence with "it might not work when intermediaries are present."</p>

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This repeats the hop-by-hop point, so could be removed.

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<p>This repeats the hop-by-hop point, so could be removed.</p>

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This is an extraordinarily ambiguous statement.  The main point I think that you want to make here is that there are variations in the way that server push interacts with HTTP caching and those can have an impact on how it is used.

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<p>This is an extraordinarily ambiguous statement.  The main point I think =
that you want to make here is that there are variations in the way that ser=
ver push interacts with HTTP caching and those can have an impact on how it=
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MikeBishop approved this pull request.



> @@ -282,6 +283,13 @@ marked with Early-Data was sent in early data on a previous hop. Requests that
 contain the Early-Data field and cannot be safely processed MUST be rejected
 using the 425 (Too Early) status code.
 
+The `Early-Data` header field carries a single bit of information and clients
+MUST include at most one instance.  However multiple instances MUST be treated

Comma after "However", or just drop the word.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> approved this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/592#discussion_r183835003">draft-ietf-httpbis-replay.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -282,6 +283,13 @@ marked with Early-Data was sent in early data on a previous hop. Requests that
 contain the Early-Data field and cannot be safely processed MUST be rejected
 using the 425 (Too Early) status code.
 
+The `Early-Data` header field carries a single bit of information and clients
+MUST include at most one instance.  However multiple instances MUST be treated
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did you mean to add "by" between "handled implementations"? 

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<p>did you mean to add "by" between "handled implementations"?</p>

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"using HTTP"

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<p>"using HTTP"</p>

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<p><b>@mnot</b> approved this pull request.</p>



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Following a conversation the other day, I think we need to clarify what the "site for cookies" in the case of redirects.

The relevant section of the specification reads:

> If "request"'s client is "null", return "same-site".
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>        Note that this is the case for navigation triggered by the user
>        directly (e.g. by typing directly into a user agent's address
>        bar).

I take this to mean that for the *first* request (the request that the user initiated) the client is null and, therefore, same-site - but for subsequent requests, since they're initiated by the redirect, they may be treated as cross-site requests (if 'target' differs from 'site').

This differs from the Chrome implementation's current behavior. I think, for strict same site cookies at least, this perhaps needs tightening up.

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<p>Following a conversation the other day, I think we need to clarify what the "site for cookies" in the case of redirects.</p>
<p>The relevant section of the specification reads:</p>
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<p>If "request"'s client is "null", return "same-site".</p>
<pre><code>   Note that this is the case for navigation triggered by the user
   directly (e.g. by typing directly into a user agent's address
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<p>I take this to mean that for the <em>first</em> request (the request that the user initiated) the client is null and, therefore, same-site - but for subsequent requests, since they're initiated by the redirect, they may be treated as cross-site requests (if 'target' differs from 'site').</p>
<p>This differs from the Chrome implementation's current behavior. I think, for strict same site cookies at least, this perhaps needs tightening up.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>

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What happens when a page tries to set a samesite cookie when we are not in a samesite context? For instance, a top-level a.com has an iframe to b.com and b.com tries to set a cookie with the samesite attribute. It sounds like we would want the cookie to not be writeable since it's not readable in that case.

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<p>What happens when a page tries to set a samesite cookie when we are not in a samesite context? For instance, a top-level a.com has an iframe to b.com and b.com tries to set a cookie with the samesite attribute. It sounds like we would want the cookie to not be writeable since it's not readable in that case.</p>
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In Firefox, we [prevent same-site cookies from being set in a third-party context](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1452496).

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<p>In Firefox, we <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1452496" rel="nofollow">prevent same-site cookies from being set in a third-party context</a>.</p>

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I've had some feedback that the current title is unwieldy.

Suggestion: "Building Protocols with HTTP".

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<p>I've had some feedback that the current title is unwieldy.</p>
<p>Suggestion: "Building Protocols with HTTP".</p>

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