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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for the work on this document. I only have a few nits and minor comments, please address them at the same = time as the Last Call comments. I also have a question to the working group= , see point 18 below. I have opened a github issue with the text below: https://github.com/ietf-w= g-httpapi/linkset/issues/62 Francesca 1. ----- The following sections describe uses cases in which providing links FP: s/uses/use 2. ----- other approaches, i.e. it is possible combine various mechanisms to FP: s/combine/to combine 3. ----- specifically by its ABNF production rule for "Link" and subsequent FP: Although not a strong requirement since ABNF is referenced by 8288, I s= uggest to add a reference to RFC 5234 to this document as well, since it ap= pears in the text here. 4. ----- as separators but also newline characters as a means to improve usability. FP: I am not sure I understand how newline characters improve usability. Ma= ybe some text could be added to explain that (or if you don't think it is n= ecessary, I'd appreciate your answer to know what I am missing). 5. ----- usability. The use of non-ASCII characters in the field value of the HTTP "Link" Header field is not interoperable. FP: Is "interoperable" the right term here? should it not be "allowed" inst= ead? 6. ----- Section 4.2 FP: It would have been nice to use CDDL (RFC 8610) to defined the structure= s not only in text. I usually recommend it for specifications defining JSON= (or CBOR) structures, because writing that down often uncovers imprecision= s and questions about the definitions that don't come up otherwise. 7. ----- The "application/linkset+json" serialization is designed such that it can directly be used as the content of a JSON-LD serialization by adding an appropriate context. Appendix A shows an example of a possible context that, when added to a JSON serialization, allows it to be interpreted as RDF. FP: It would be useful to add the reference to JSON-LD [W3C.REC-json-ld-201= 40116] that is already present in the appendix. I would also appreciate a r= eference to the RDF specifications. Also, the RFC editor will most likely a= sk you to expand those terms on first use, so I encourage you to do that al= ready (see https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt) 8. ----- Section 4.2.2 FP: nit - I would use "contain" instead of "have" when talking about member= s in JSON objects. A couple of examples in the text: * Each link context object MAY have an "anchor" member with a value that represents the link context. If present, this value MUST be ... * For each distinct relation type that the link context has with link targets, a link context object MUST have an additional member. This member is an array in which a distinct JSON object - 9. ----- FP: I will fw this document to the I18n directorate mailing list, to see if= anybody is interested to take a look at section 4.2.4.2 during Last Call. = I don't think this should have many I18n comments, since this does not defi= ne new concepts but rather defines serialization for existing ones, but if = anybody with I18n expertise can take another look it can't hurt. 10. ----- The Web linking model ([RFC8288]) provides for the use of extension target attributes as discussed in Section 4.2.4.3. No other form of extensions SHOULD be used. In case they are used nevertheless, they FP: It would be good to clarify why this is only a SHOULD and not a MUST: I= expect the reason for it is that there are existing cases where other form= s are in fact used. In this case, it would be good to give an example and m= otivate the "SHOULD". 11. ----- Section 7.2 shows a client obtaining a set of links by issuing an HTTP GET on the target of the link with the "linkset" relation type, . FP: This text in section 7.3 seems redundant to me, as the reader will have= already read 7.2, and IMO this text is not really needed, so I would sugge= st to remove it. 12. ----- voc/?show=3Dlinktypes> as was used in xref target=3D"Response_pr_at"/>. FP: missing a "<" 13. ----- The link relation type below should be registered by IANA per Section 6.2.1 of Web Linking [RFC8288]: FP: I think this should point to Section 4.2 of 8288 14. ----- Section 8.3 and 8.4 FP: reminder to send the media type registrations to the media-types mailin= g list for community review (good to do during IETF Last Call). 15. ----- context maps "application/linkset+json" representations of link sets to Dublin Core Terms. Note that the "linkset" entry in the JSON-LD FP: I would have appreciated an informative reference for Dublin Core Terms= . 16. ----- Appendix B. FP: Thank you for this, it is always interesting to see implementation stat= us reports. Even if this will not make the final version of the document, m= ay I suggest to please update it - in particular the following sentence mak= es me think this is oudated: pertaining to products, shipments, assets and locations. Currently, the GS1 Digital Link specification makes an informative reference to version 03 of the "linkset" I-D. GS1 expresses confidence that this will become a normative reference in the next iteration of that specification. 17. ----- FP: As noted by Rich in his shepherd write up, there are two references tha= t come up as obsoleted: 6982 -> 7942 and 5988 -> 8288. Reading how they are= used, I think 5988 makes sense to stay as informative. On the other hand, = 6982 should not only be replaced by 7942, but I also think it should move t= o informative, and will most likely be removed before publication since it = is only used in Appendix B which will be removed. 18. ----- FP: Rich also brought up in the shepherd write up that he believes this doc= ument should have an "Update RFC 8288" header. While I see the benefit of h= aving that sort of link in the document, I am not sure that it is necessary= in this case. Hence I'd like to listen to the wg's opinion and hear if the= re has been a discussion about it. --_000_HE1PR07MB4217478A3C6596A688FBB93C984B9HE1PR07MB4217eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank you for the w= ork on this document.

 

I only have a few n= its and minor comments, please address them at the same time as the Last Ca= ll comments. I also have a question to the working group, see point 18 belo= w.

 

I have opened a git= hub issue with the text below: https://gi= thub.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/linkset/issues/62

 

Francesca

 

1. -----=

 

   The fo= llowing sections describe uses cases in which providing links

 

FP: s/uses/use=

 

2. -----=

 

   other = approaches, i.e. it is possible combine various mechanisms to

 

FP: s/combine/to co= mbine

 

3. -----=

 

   specif= ically by its ABNF production rule for "Link" and subsequent=

 

FP: Although not a = strong requirement since ABNF is referenced by 8288, I suggest to add a ref= erence to RFC 5234 to this document as well, since it appears in the text h= ere.

 

4. -----=

 

   as sep= arators but also newline characters as a means to improve=

   usabil= ity.

 

FP: I am not sure I= understand how newline characters improve usability. Maybe some text could= be added to explain that (or if you don't think it is necessary, I'd appre= ciate your answer to know what I am missing).

 

5. -----=

 

   usabil= ity.  The use of non-ASCII characters in the field value of the

   HTTP &= quot;Link" Header field is not interoperable.

 

FP: Is "intero= perable" the right term here? should it not be "allowed" ins= tead?

 

6. -----=

 

Section 4.2

 

FP: It would have b= een nice to use CDDL (RFC 8610) to defined the structures not only in text.= I usually recommend it for specifications defining JSON (or CBOR) structur= es, because writing that down often uncovers imprecisions and questions about the definitions that don't come = up otherwise.

 

7. -----=

 

   The &q= uot;application/linkset+json" serialization is designed such that it

   can di= rectly be used as the content of a JSON-LD serialization by

   adding= an appropriate context.  Appendix A shows an example of a<= /span>

   possib= le context that, when added to a JSON serialization, allows it

   to be = interpreted as RDF.

 

FP: It would be use= ful to add the reference to JSON-LD [W3C.REC-json-ld-20140116] that is alre= ady present in the appendix. I would also appreciate a reference to the RDF= specifications. Also, the RFC editor will most likely ask you to expand those terms on first use, so I encourag= e you to do that already (see https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.e= xpansion.txt)

 

8. -----=

 

Section 4.2.2<= /o:p>

 

FP: nit - I would u= se "contain" instead of "have" when talking about membe= rs in JSON objects. A couple of examples in the text:

 

 

   * = ; Each link context object MAY have an "anchor" member with a val= ue

   &= nbsp;  that represents the link context.  If present, this value = MUST be

 

...

 

   * = ; For each distinct relation type that the link context has with=

   &= nbsp;  link targets, a link context object MUST have an additional

   &= nbsp;  member.  This member is an array in which a distinct JSON = object -

 

9. -----=

 

FP: I will fw this = document to the I18n directorate mailing list, to see if anybody is interes= ted to take a look at section 4.2.4.2 during Last Call. I don't think this = should have many I18n comments, since this does not define new concepts but rather defines serialization for exi= sting ones, but if anybody with I18n expertise can take another look it can= 't hurt.

 

10. -----

 

   The We= b linking model ([RFC8288]) provides for the use of extension

   target= attributes as discussed in Section 4.2.4.3.  No other form of

   extens= ions SHOULD be used.  In case they are used nevertheless, they

 

FP: It would be goo= d to clarify why this is only a SHOULD and not a MUST: I expect the reason = for it is that there are existing cases where other forms are in fact used.= In this case, it would be good to give an example and motivate the "SHOULD".

 

11. -----

 

   Sectio= n 7.2 shows a client obtaining a set of links by issuing an

   HTTP G= ET on the target of the link with the "linkset" relation type,

   <ht= tps://example.org/links/resource1>.

 

FP: This text in se= ction 7.3 seems redundant to me, as the reader will have already read 7.2, = and IMO this text is not really needed, so I would suggest to remove it.

 

12. -----

 

   voc/?s= how=3Dlinktypes> as was used in xref target=3D"Response_pr_at"= />.

 

FP: missing a "= ;<"

 

13. -----

 

   The li= nk relation type below should be registered by IANA per

   Sectio= n 6.2.1 of Web Linking [RFC8288]:

 

FP: I think this sh= ould point to Section 4.2 of 8288

 

14. -----

 

Section 8.3 and 8.4=

 

FP: reminder to sen= d the media type registrations to the media-types mailing list for communit= y review (good to do during IETF Last Call).

 

15. -----

 

   contex= t maps "application/linkset+json" representations of link sets

   to Dub= lin Core Terms.  Note that the "linkset" entry in the JSON-L= D

 

FP: I would have ap= preciated an informative reference for Dublin Core Terms.=

 

16. -----

 

Appendix B.

 

FP: Thank you for t= his, it is always interesting to see implementation status reports. Even if= this will not make the final version of the document, may I suggest to ple= ase update it - in particular the following sentence makes me think this is oudated:

 

  pertain= ing to products, shipments, assets and locations.  Currently,

   the GS= 1 Digital Link specification makes an informative reference to

   versio= n 03 of the "linkset" I-D.  GS1 expresses confidence that th= is

   will b= ecome a normative reference in the next iteration of that=

   specif= ication.

 

17. -----

 

FP: As noted by Ric= h in his shepherd write up, there are two references that come up as obsole= ted: 6982 -> 7942 and 5988 -> 8288. Reading how they are used, I thin= k 5988 makes sense to stay as informative. On the other hand, 6982 should not only be replaced by 7942, but I also th= ink it should move to informative, and will most likely be removed before p= ublication since it is only used in Appendix B which will be removed.<= /o:p>

 

18. -----

 

FP: Rich also broug= ht up in the shepherd write up that he believes this document should have a= n "Update RFC 8288" header. While I see the benefit of having tha= t sort of link in the document, I am not sure that it is necessary in this case. Hence I'd like to listen to the wg's op= inion and hear if there has been a discussion about it.

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Is this going to be added to the Github org (https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi) l= ike the others this group is working on, or is there somewhere else I shoul= d go to contribute?

On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 12:32 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Building Blocks for HTTP APIs WG of the IE= TF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= REST API mediatypes
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Author=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Robe= rto Polli
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-httpapi-rest-api-mediatypes-00.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 9
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2021-12-23

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document register the following media-types used in APIs = on the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0IANA MEdia Types registry: text/yaml, application/yaml, applic= ation/
=C2=A0 =C2=A0openapi+json, and application/openapi+yaml


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org= /doc/draft-ietf-httpapi-rest-api-mediatypes/

There is also an HTML version available at:
https://www.ietf.org/a= rchive/id/draft-ietf-httpapi-rest-api-mediatypes-00.html


Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at rsync.ietf.org::internet-dra= fts


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<164140838412.25534.5284741037855921382@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2022 10:46:24 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] httpapi - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 113 X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2022 18:46:24 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Rich Salz, a Chair of the httpapi working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Rich Salz Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): unspecified Number of Attendees: 150 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair conflict: tls httpbis Technology overlap: httpbis quic tls jsonpath Key participant conflict: cfrg People who must be present: Rich Salz Mark Nottingham Francesca Palombini Darrel Miller Resources Requested: 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Message-ID: <164147901698.21285.3573988065781901792@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 06:23:36 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] httpapi - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 113 X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 14:23:37 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Rich Salz, a Chair of the httpapi working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Rich Salz Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): unspecified Number of Attendees: 150 Conflicts to Avoid: People who must be present: Rich Salz Mark Nottingham Francesca Palombini Darrel Miller Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- 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List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2022 07:46:14 -0000 --===============7455614019646706727== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Events without label "editorial" Issues ------ * ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers (+0/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC7) 3 issues received 7 new comments: - #79 Put quota policies in a separate header from Limit? 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--===============7455614019646706727==-- From nobody Mon Jan 10 15:26:51 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietf.org Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963EB3A1611; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 15:26:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Christer Holmberg via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset.all@ietf.org, httpapi@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.42.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <164185720050.20061.12672441945763045384@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Christer Holmberg Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 15:26:40 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-06 X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 23:26:41 -0000 Reviewer: Christer Holmberg Review result: Ready with Issues I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-06 Reviewer: Christer Holmberg Review Date: 2022-01-10 IETF LC End Date: 2022-01-19 IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat Summary: Technically I don't have any major issue. However, I do have a minor technical, one administrative, and some editorial, comments. Major issues: Q1: The draft is intended to be published as Informational RFC. That sounds a little strange to me. Could you please explain what the reason is? Minor issues: Q2: The document defines the "application/linkset+json" format, and indicates that it can also be used for JSON-LD. What is the reason for not defining a separate format for JSON-LD? Separate formats ("application/json" and "application/ld+json") have previously been defined. Nits/editorial comments: Q3: The document has long sentences like "One serializes links in the same format as used in HTTP the Link header field". Couldn't one just say "based on the syntax of the HTTP Link header field", or something like that? Q4: The document talks about "document format". People familiar with HTTP are probably familiar with that terminology, but I think it would be good to add a reference on first occurrence. Q5: In Section 1, you talk about serializing links as JSON objects. Should it be JSON strings, or something? JSON object is not a serialization. From nobody Mon Jan 10 21:40:36 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietf.org Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5E73A1776; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 21:40:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.42.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <164187963459.23655.6828160756339771473@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 21:40:34 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] The HTTPAPI WG has placed draft-bishop-httpbis-origin-h3 in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 05:40:35 -0000 The HTTPAPI WG has placed draft-bishop-httpbis-origin-h3 in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Mark Nottingham) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bishop-httpbis-origin-h3/ From nobody Mon Jan 10 21:41:27 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F46E3A1784; 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--===============0512380090350565103==-- From nobody Mon Jan 17 17:08:15 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941653A0B06 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:08:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CgJWkNANoj8q for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout017.mail.hostpoint.ch (mxout017.mail.hostpoint.ch [IPv6:2a00:d70:0:e::317]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11A3E3A0AFF for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.2.46] (helo=asmtp013.mail.hostpoint.ch) by mxout017.mail.hostpoint.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1n9cyY-0002UY-Da; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:07:54 +0100 Received: from [2603:3024:1906:c600:9d2c:69b7:d66b:a4ea] by asmtp013.mail.hostpoint.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1n9cyY-0003rj-20; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:07:54 +0100 X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: erik.wilde@dret.net Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:07:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.4.1 Content-Language: en-US To: media-types@iana.org, "httpapi@ietf.org" From: Erik Wilde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] Media type registrations for "Linkset: Media Types and a Link Relation Type for Link Sets" draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-06 X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 01:08:10 -0000 hello. "Linkset: Media Types and a Link Relation Type for Link Sets" (draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-06), currently in last call, requests the registration of two media types. here is the abstract of the draft: This specification defines two formats and respective media types for representing sets of links as stand-alone documents. One format is JSON-based, the other aligned with the format for representing links in the HTTP "Link" header field. This specification also introduces a link relation type to support discovery of sets of links. the two media types requested for registration are: application/linkset: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset#section-8.2 application/linkset+json: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset#section-8.3 if anybody has any feedback, please let us know. we are cross-posting this request to the draft's working group list (httpapi). thanks a lot and kind regards, dret. -- erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | | http://dret.net/netdret | | http://twitter.com/dret | From nobody Mon Jan 17 17:16:52 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A245D3A0B91 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:16:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ixEqdIrwvOP7 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout012.mail.hostpoint.ch (mxout012.mail.hostpoint.ch [IPv6:2a00:d70:0:e::312]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2584F3A0B80 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:16:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.2.46] (helo=asmtp013.mail.hostpoint.ch) by mxout012.mail.hostpoint.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1n9d75-000Gea-Lo for httpapi@ietf.org; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:16:43 +0100 Received: from [2603:3024:1906:c600:9d2c:69b7:d66b:a4ea] by asmtp013.mail.hostpoint.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1n9d75-0006rv-Cs for httpapi@ietf.org; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:16:43 +0100 X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: erik.wilde@dret.net Message-ID: <1abbb614-1db1-c522-7603-c73cce100125@dret.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:16:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.4.1 Content-Language: en-US To: "httpapi@ietf.org" From: Erik Wilde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] should linkset update RFC 8288? looking for feedback X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 01:16:52 -0000 happy 2022, httpapi people! one question that came up during a last call review (https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/linkset/issues/62; task 18) of the linkset draft was whether the specification should formally "update" RFC 8288. i discussed this question with my co-author and we came to the conclusion that you can probably argue either way. in the end the "right" answer may mostly depend on what IETF typically does when a spec does not change anything in an existing one, but adds to it. we are fine either way, but wanted to get the group's (and most importantly, the chairs') feedback about this issue. thanks a lot and kind regards, dret. -- erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | | http://dret.net/netdret | | http://twitter.com/dret | From nobody Mon Jan 17 18:27:34 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A90E3A11A4 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:27:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lowentropy.net header.b=AzZVaZ11; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=N0QHOmzL Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UUNws-F4j8p2 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:27:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C78E3A11A2 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:27:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD4C3200AB0 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap41 ([10.202.2.91]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:27:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lowentropy.net; h=mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:from:to :subject:content-type; s=fm1; bh=mtANMEWzM7ee3GSUTQPbrh807V+z6/R c9Vvsdl77osY=; b=AzZVaZ11r0y5lzqqcXxJSahABzdtFPgsxfbHoAljD2ykDLN I5JvXc5XOQMnt+UWLyuo2yrD+6LYCjfXFebvF+geGQv2eEd69jfnpCAGgcanpvVN 1xQcnM0EdMscmrFOfCUrt8Z7kLwh7uBGDAF+S4yD1MiOeJVh8qFglvPx8tn4MMT5 1IMFBoZ14KEnieXhpvnP4gbuZ92L4N7PTieEtD+LVcPPo8f2fbt2IVDUPObtuM/1 jjYCg4pp+autx5Y2IHFpUzKseZapyd32agieFeuSymERAvrB0M1ixIdqNItpKzLy rdJfYHT2LfYg7p3o9sKtxG2dURCaPngoASenxWg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=mtANME WzM7ee3GSUTQPbrh807V+z6/Rc9Vvsdl77osY=; b=N0QHOmzLyhjULTSAdivmv1 3nY85EgrGBRbypXGmcG/w4VOZeQfzsaE2kGlvGBmHturI4Rr4bDckxVWKHiulZFf kAq+6mXhnLHSGT8rDqOFJg/Ezs5w2ekQfNsGGLVNE9PryRAH/k9MHvcxlTHUtyMW h+1seYvEJde+4NG4TgiTXePbIr8ESw3ld55ibJU+eASgfJR42eP5Z6LIzVT7MyFn 5EBsDRBrla+Iq77MM7rzTklhcJ/OakLk//xDnuHx7JSn9/oQ4/sujtjB7ba4IYux OyjMKTD5CW0GdWqygqJ3i+9OHcngdwQDkbYo5ehA8nPGk4XbPmi/ebrNpGsl74UA == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvvddruddvgdegjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgesthdtre dtreertdenucfhrhhomhepfdforghrthhinhcuvfhhohhmshhonhdfuceomhhtsehlohif vghnthhrohhphidrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepgffhueefgefgkedvgeeule ethfejleehvedtkefhteeftddtveevjeduhfekjedtnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgihhthhhu sgdrtghomhdpughrvghtrdhnvghtpdhtfihithhtvghrrdgtohhmpdhivghtfhdrohhrgh enucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmthes lhhofigvnhhtrhhophihrdhnvght X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 93CBD3C0246; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:27:25 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-4585-ga9d9773056-fm-20220113.001-ga9d97730 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1abbb614-1db1-c522-7603-c73cce100125@dret.net> References: <1abbb614-1db1-c522-7603-c73cce100125@dret.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 13:27:01 +1100 From: "Martin Thomson" To: httpapi@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] should linkset update RFC 8288? looking for feedback X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:27:33 -0000 My response would be pretty firm "no". As far as I can see, linkset only uses adds extensions, using existing extension points in the link specification. That is not cause to insist on an "Updates/Updated by" relationship. That should be reserved for occasions where the content of a document might need to be changed in some way that affects a conformant implementation. For instance, if you redefined or clarified some aspect of how parameter handling works, that might be cause to update. I know that this view is not uniform, but I tend to think that sparing use of these relations is a good policy. On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, at 12:16, Erik Wilde wrote: > happy 2022, httpapi people! > > one question that came up during a last call review > (https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/linkset/issues/62; task 18) of the > linkset draft was whether the specification should formally "update" RFC > 8288. > > i discussed this question with my co-author and we came to the > conclusion that you can probably argue either way. in the end the > "right" answer may mostly depend on what IETF typically does when a spec > does not change anything in an existing one, but adds to it. > > we are fine either way, but wanted to get the group's (and most > importantly, the chairs') feedback about this issue. > > thanks a lot and kind regards, > > dret. > > -- > erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | > | http://dret.net/netdret | > | http://twitter.com/dret | > > -- > httpapi mailing list > httpapi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/httpapi From nobody Mon Jan 17 18:34:33 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BDC3A1214 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:34:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.613 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.613 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.714, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pCGXf5R0Idd9 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout013.mail.hostpoint.ch (mxout013.mail.hostpoint.ch [IPv6:2a00:d70:0:e::313]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C35CB3A1211 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.2.44] (helo=asmtp014.mail.hostpoint.ch) by mxout013.mail.hostpoint.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1n9eKD-000JLT-KU; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 03:34:21 +0100 Received: from [2603:3024:1906:c600:9d2c:69b7:d66b:a4ea] by asmtp014.mail.hostpoint.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1n9eKD-000OgQ-Bu; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 03:34:21 +0100 X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: erik.wilde@dret.net Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:34:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.4.1 Content-Language: en-US To: Martin Thomson , httpapi@ietf.org References: <1abbb614-1db1-c522-7603-c73cce100125@dret.net> From: Erik Wilde In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] should linkset update RFC 8288? looking for feedback X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:34:31 -0000 hello martin. thanks for voicing your opinion! On 2022-01-17 18:27, Martin Thomson wrote: > As far as I can see, linkset only uses adds extensions, using existing extension points in the link specification. That is not cause to insist on an "Updates/Updated by" relationship. That should be reserved for occasions where the content of a document might need to be changed in some way that affects a conformant implementation. For instance, if you redefined or clarified some aspect of how parameter handling works, that might be cause to update. yes, thast was always my understanding. if you need to find the updating spec to correctly understand/implement the updated spec, then it clearly should be marked. that's not the case here. > I know that this view is not uniform, but I tend to think that sparing use of these relations is a good policy. let's see whether we get other opinions. i am definitely fine not doing the updating dance. cheers, dret. -- erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | | http://dret.net/netdret | | http://twitter.com/dret | From nobody Mon Jan 17 19:48:55 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052C13A094B for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:48:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mnot.net header.b=KSKL5dYr; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=fW6MYGkM Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hp2mdia6ck8o for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD9333A092D for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEF05C00DC; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 22:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 17 Jan 2022 22:48:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mnot.net; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=fm1; bh=F tZoroYfB6VgXVCPUDcniNjl0Ok8eFfq/wNCbUR867g=; b=KSKL5dYrhlpnuAftq WZ8TCPRGoHAdP+WIZi4RrIHaNjLxuY/wKBj2ztNUGmTVITPLx4V8rvltQ/qqQSdR Ms3vmmwqTRRTIh7JaJq3Gv65hVFpFtqh9LUCblcbLeUA7plmZTI3dpwAzB/1ejdU WhCdXuJPYcDaQfNXxJwjI0BojrgKTT2HPvBl2T0YssAYc5wDjpC/aEP3mlQdXYvb k9e2ymliFUPN6mqeRwGqh7u9czJ6EHAT9SKTgeJmdhGqaq4kGru5rbuZ0IzAbc98 5I9UtsJNXbc6zi+K9/FIlcyNPBkn3dzywKqlNx0np7ThPk26R+iIoLVX0cUlukMZ aICmw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=FtZoroYfB6VgXVCPUDcniNjl0Ok8eFfq/wNCbUR86 7g=; b=fW6MYGkMbrsxv71n/aHnU2hGKdxfM2byQ6W5f6F2tmfrMEDMsMbJSa9oq 4vMwacL8jQ5Z3oo3sLQuMGOCl98oSNFSiyJ0nn1aYXp5cigC3bG8qVLAU6wzmeb3 yS4dwYOF8GiJsjBjyYEJaaYNSxKQ4B9c+x2aJ/4LlH4bbwwVMdkdpU9bXr2y5UaD D/kk1EDQkDokvdnYXeOzZAtw2DZNNf8I0LEULZf/ij4SGgUFx9odLx5lJzg2qECT 5pUY+AlvuiNQsUHots3D3tnQM9qooL+OKokSZcrOaUJWie90JQGaGpTqVhgmMgUS Y1UpEBXgv43kgUgRWtUAzzuq044KA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvvddruddvgdeifecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpegtggfuhfgjfffgkfhfvffosehtqhhmtdhhtddvnecuhfhrohhmpeforghrkhcu pfhothhtihhnghhhrghmuceomhhnohhtsehmnhhothdrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvg hrnhepkeefueeggfetleefveekjefgffeiteffvdetledtfefhieelfefgjeefffelfeek necuffhomhgrihhnpehgihhthhhusgdrtghomhdpughrvghtrdhnvghtpdhtfihithhtvg hrrdgtohhmpdhivghtfhdrohhrghdpmhhnohhtrdhnvghtnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihii vgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhnohhtsehmnhhothdrnhgvth X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 22:48:46 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 14:48:43 +1100 Cc: httpapi@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <68098712-DDC2-4FA6-9B97-587D9D5D8767@mnot.net> References: <1abbb614-1db1-c522-7603-c73cce100125@dret.net> To: Martin Thomson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] should linkset update RFC 8288? looking for feedback X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 03:48:54 -0000 +1.=20 > On 18 Jan 2022, at 1:27 pm, Martin Thomson wrote: >=20 > My response would be pretty firm "no". >=20 > As far as I can see, linkset only uses adds extensions, using existing = extension points in the link specification. That is not cause to insist = on an "Updates/Updated by" relationship. That should be reserved for = occasions where the content of a document might need to be changed in = some way that affects a conformant implementation. For instance, if you = redefined or clarified some aspect of how parameter handling works, that = might be cause to update. >=20 > I know that this view is not uniform, but I tend to think that sparing = use of these relations is a good policy. >=20 > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, at 12:16, Erik Wilde wrote: >> happy 2022, httpapi people! >>=20 >> one question that came up during a last call review=20 >> (https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/linkset/issues/62; task 18) of = the=20 >> linkset draft was whether the specification should formally "update" = RFC=20 >> 8288. >>=20 >> i discussed this question with my co-author and we came to the=20 >> conclusion that you can probably argue either way. in the end the=20 >> "right" answer may mostly depend on what IETF typically does when a = spec=20 >> does not change anything in an existing one, but adds to it. >>=20 >> we are fine either way, but wanted to get the group's (and most=20 >> importantly, the chairs') feedback about this issue. >>=20 >> thanks a lot and kind regards, >>=20 >> dret. >>=20 >> --=20 >> erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | >> | http://dret.net/netdret | >> | http://twitter.com/dret | >>=20 >> --=20 >> httpapi mailing list >> httpapi@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/httpapi >=20 > --=20 > httpapi mailing list > httpapi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/httpapi -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Mon Jan 17 23:00:39 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A4D3A0A04 for ; 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My 2c, R Il mar 9 nov 2021, 16:44 Erik Wilde ha scritto: > hello stephane. > > On 2021-11-09 16:08, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > I do not find a mention of the HTTP status code to use then adding the > > deprecation header. Does it mean it can be used with 200, 404, 410? > > it can (we're not disallowing it), but it probably doesn't make a lot of > sense to use it on 4xx or 5xx codes, since these indicate a problem that > has to be resolved. that means that nothing keeps you from using the > header field with error messages, but it's unlikely that this would be > very useful. > > cheers, > > dret. > > -- > erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | > | http://dret.net/netdret | > | http://twitter.com/dret | > > -- > httpapi mailing list > httpapi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/httpapi > --00000000000022346b05d5ec110b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Should we explicit that deprecation header is not re= lated to the status code?

My 2= c,
R


Il mar 9 nov 2021, 16:44 Erik Wilde <erik.wilde@dret.net> ha scritto:<= br>
hello stephane.

On 2021-11-09 16:08, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> I do not find a mention of the HTTP status code to use then adding the=
> deprecation header. Does it mean it can be used with 200, 404, 410?
it can (we're not disallowing it), but it probably doesn't make a l= ot of
sense to use it on 4xx or 5xx codes, since these indicate a problem that has to be resolved. that means that nothing keeps you from using the
header field with error messages, but it's unlikely that this would be =
very useful.

cheers,

dret.

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The response from my co-author Erik Wilde and myself is included below and posted at https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/linkset/issues/63 I plan to make updates as suggested for Q4 and Q5 soon, and as such would appreciate it if you could let us know whether OK. Greetings Herbert Van de Sompel ====== Q1: The I-D went through the HTTPAPI WG tagged as intended to be published as an Informational RFC. It do not remember suggestions to go down a different path. Maybe @richsalz @darrelmiller have an opinion on whether or not Informational is inappropriate? Q2: The I-D defines the application/linkset+json media type and leverages an established technique (provision of context as per as per Section 6.8 of the W3C JSON-LD Recommendation(https://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-json-ld-20140116/#interpreting-json-as-json-ld) to allow that JSON to be interpreted as JSON-LD. This approach allows communities of use to specify a context that best serves their needs and does not require imposing specific vocabularies. Q3: Yes, the sentence you suggest would work, although the "based on the syntax" bit might be interpreted as "that syntax with a few twists". I feel that the existing sentence does not leave such room for interpretation. A matter of preferred style, I guess. Q4: The term document format doesn't sound quite appropriate, indeed. I suggest replacing the sentence: Therefore, this specification defines two document formats that serialize Web Links and their attributes. by the following sentence that matches the terminology used in the Abstract: Therefore, this specification defines two document formats for representing sets of Web Links and their attributes as stand-alone documents. Q5: I suggest replacing the sentence: One serializes links in the same format as used in HTTP the Link header field, and the other as a JSON object. by: One serializes links in the same format as used in HTTP the Link header field, and the other serializes links in JSON. On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:27 AM Christer Holmberg via Datatracker < noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > Reviewer: Christer Holmberg > Review result: Ready with Issues > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed > by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just > like any other last call comments. > > For more information, please see the FAQ at > > . > > Document: draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-06 > Reviewer: Christer Holmberg > Review Date: 2022-01-10 > IETF LC End Date: 2022-01-19 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat > > Summary: Technically I don't have any major issue. However, I do have a > minor > technical, one administrative, and some editorial, comments. > > Major issues: > > Q1: The draft is intended to be published as Informational RFC. That > sounds a > little strange to me. Could you please explain what the reason is? > > Minor issues: > > Q2: The document defines the "application/linkset+json" format, and > indicates > that it can also be used for JSON-LD. What is the reason for not defining a > separate format for JSON-LD? Separate formats ("application/json" and > "application/ld+json") have previously been defined. > > Nits/editorial comments: > > Q3: The document has long sentences like "One serializes links in the same > format as used in HTTP the Link header field". Couldn't one just say > "based on > the syntax of the HTTP Link header field", or something like that? > > Q4: The document talks about "document format". People familiar with HTTP > are > probably familiar with that terminology, but I think it would be good to > add a > reference on first occurrence. > > Q5: In Section 1, you talk about serializing links as JSON objects. Should > it > be JSON strings, or something? JSON object is not a serialization. > > > -- > httpapi mailing list > httpapi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/httpapi > -- ================== Herbert Van de Sompel https://hvdsomp.info https://orcid.org/0000-0002-0715-6126 --00000000000032fa2e05d5f0cd2a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Christer

Thanks for you= r feedback.

The response from my co-author Er= ik Wilde and myself is included below and posted at https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpap= i/linkset/issues/63

I plan to make updates as = suggested for Q4 and Q5 soon, and as such would appreciate it if you could = let us know whether OK.

Greetings

Herbert Van de Sompel

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<= br>

Q1: The I-D went through the HTTPAPI WG tagge= d as intended to be published as an Informational RFC. It do not remember=20 suggestions to go down a different path. Maybe @richsalz @darrelmiller have= an opinion on whether or not Informational is inappropriate?

Q2: The I-D defines the application/linkset+json media type and leverages an established technique (provision of co= ntext as per as per Section 6.8 of the W3C JSON-LD Recommendation(https://www.w3.org/T= R/2014/REC-json-ld-20140116/#interpreting-json-as-json-ld) to allow tha= t JSON=20 to be interpreted as JSON-LD. This approach allows communities of use to specify a context that best serves their needs and does not require=20 imposing specific vocabularies.

Q3: Yes, the sentence you suggest would work, although the "based on the syntax" bit might be interpreted as "that syn= tax with a=20 few twists". I feel that the existing sentence does not leave such roo= m=20 for interpretation. A matter of preferred style, I guess.

Q4: The term document format doesn't sound= quite appropriate, indeed. I suggest replacing the sentence:

Therefore, this specification defines two document formats = that serialize Web Links and their attributes.

by the following sentence that matches the terminology used= in the Abstract:

Therefore, this specification defines two document formats for representing sets of Web Links and their attributes as stand-alone=20 documents.

Q5: I suggest replacing the sentence:

One serializes links in the same format as used in HTTP the= Link header field, and the other as a JSON object.

by:

One serializes links in the same format as used in HTTP the= Link header field, and the other serializes links in JSON.

<= br>

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:27 AM Christer Holmberg via Datatracker= <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
Reviewer: Christer= Holmberg
Review result: Ready with Issues

I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area
Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed
by the IESG for the IETF Chair.=C2=A0 Please treat these comments just
like any other last call comments.

For more information, please see the FAQ at

<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/gen/wiki/GenArtfaq&g= t;.

Document: draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-06
Reviewer: Christer Holmberg
Review Date: 2022-01-10
IETF LC End Date: 2022-01-19
IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat

Summary: Technically I don't have any major issue.=C2=A0 However, I do = have a minor
technical, one administrative, and some editorial, comments.

Major issues:

Q1: The draft is intended to be published as Informational RFC. That sounds= a
little strange to me. Could you please explain what the reason is?

Minor issues:

Q2: The document defines the "application/linkset+json" format, a= nd indicates
that it can also be used for JSON-LD. What is the reason for not defining a=
separate format for JSON-LD? Separate formats ("application/json"= and
"application/ld+json") have previously been defined.

Nits/editorial comments:

Q3: The document has long sentences like "One serializes links in the = same
format as used in HTTP the Link header field". Couldn't one just s= ay "based on
the syntax of the HTTP Link header field", or something like that?

Q4: The document talks about "document format". People familiar w= ith HTTP are
probably familiar with that terminology, but I think it would be good to ad= d a
reference on first occurrence.

Q5: In Section 1, you talk about serializing links as JSON objects. Should = it
be JSON strings, or something? JSON object is not a serialization.


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code X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 20:06:01 -0000 Hi Erik, I agree with you about listing unrelated things. For ratelimit we continuously received questions related to status codes, so we decided to explicit the (un)relations. Let's see how frequently this question arises, and we'll get an answer :) Kind regards, R. Il giorno mer 19 gen 2022 alle ore 19:37 Erik Wilde ha scritto: > > hello roberto. > > On 2022-01-19 01:32, Roberto Polli wrote: > > Should we explicit that deprecation header is not related to the status > > code? > > usually i am not a big fan of listing everything that is not related > because that list can get long. but if people are thinking this would be > useful to have then we should probably add it. > > https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/deprecation-header/issues/17 is where > i have created an issue for discussing this. if anybody feels strongly > about this issue, please comment over there. thanks! > > cheers, > > dret. > > -- > erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | > | http://dret.net/netdret | > | http://twitter.com/dret | --=20 Roberto Polli API Expert M. +39 3406522736 MID DIPARTIMENTO PER LA TRASFORMAZIONE DIGITALE Presidenza del Consiglio dei Ministri - Ministro per l'innovazione tecnologica e la digitalizzazione https://innovazione.gov.it/ Il Dipartimento per la Trasformazione Digitale, salvo eccezioni, comunica con le altre Amministrazioni via posta elettronica ordinaria e non posta elettronica certificata, in conformit=C3=A0 a quanto previsto dall=E2=80=99art.47 del Codice dell=E2=80=99Amministrazione Digitale. 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Should we assume everything we do is Proposed Standard unless >> otherwise discussed? >> Please post your thoughts about A and/or B within the next two weeks. >=20 > my answer to both of these is an emphatic "yes". we have worked on linkset= for five years now, and bringing it to the working group has helped to make= it better by providing more visibility and review. my main hope for the wor= king group in general is that this is what it will do for every spec that it= works on: make building blocks more visible and provide a forum to have con= sensus around their design. >=20 I am totally with Erik on this. 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X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 22:40:17 -0000 --_000_CH2PR00MB06643A438AA93D7E4BB7BDF2F05B9CH2PR00MB0664namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Speaking as an individual, my answers to the questions are yes and yes. Darrel From: Salz, Rich Sent: January 21, 2022 3:49 PM There are two questions I=92d like the WG to consider: * A. Should the =93linkset=94 draft be a Proposed Standard? * B. Should we assume everything we do is Proposed Standard unless othe= rwise discussed? Please post your thoughts about A and/or B within the next two weeks. --_000_CH2PR00MB06643A438AA93D7E4BB7BDF2F05B9CH2PR00MB0664namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Speaking as an individual, my a= nswers to the questions are yes and yes.

 

Darrel

 

 

From: Salz, Rich
Sent: January 21, 2022 3:49 PM

There are two questions I=92d l= ike the WG to consider:

 

  • A. Should the =93link= set=94 draft be a Proposed Standard?
  • B. Should we assume everything we do = is Proposed Standard unless otherwise discussed?

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    Please post your thoughts about= A and/or B within the next two weeks.

     

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X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 03:04:44 -0000 On 2022-01-22 07:40, Darrel Miller wrote: > Speaking as an individual, my answers to the questions are yes and yes. > > Darrel Our charter says: Its output can include the following: • Specifications for HTTP extensions that relate to HTTP APIs (typically, new HTTP header and/or trailer fields) • Specifications for new message body formats, or conventions for their use in HTTP APIs (e.g., patterns of JSON objects) • Best practices and other documentation for HTTP API designers, consumers, implementers, operators, etc. It's quite clear that the first two bullet points should result in Proposed Standards, and the last one in BCP. Experimental or Informational may be used if something is in an early design/use phase. So my answers would be: A: Yes, B: Mostly yes, but see above. Regards, Martin. > > From: Salz, Rich > Sent: January 21, 2022 3:49 PM > > There are two questions I’d like the WG to consider: > > > * A. Should the “linkset” draft be a Proposed Standard? > * B. 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X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 03:17:03 -0000 My .02 - While 2026 et al imply a gradation of "trying it out" and "we mean this" = between "full" and Proposed Standard, the practicality of it is that = only the most advanced, venerable specifications make it to full = Internet Standard. The bulk of IETF specifications in use on the = Internet today are Proposed Standard. So, if we want to retain a signal of "this is a proposal, let's see how = it goes" vs. "we really mean this", I'd suggest we use Informational for = the former and Proposed for the latter (as Martin alludes to below). = Upgrading from Informational to Proposed Standard is (AIUI) fairly easy = to do, with coordination by the AD. That's rather important for this group IMHO, because we're still = building a community and we want to make sure that we're not overstating = the authority of what we come up with.=20 What we should *not* do is use Proposed Standard in the hope that it = will foster more usage / attention on the spec. In other words, the = document status should reflect the breadth of review and consensus, not = be aspirational. So my answers would be: A. I'm neutral here -- it depends on how sure we are that this = represents broad consensus in the industry. B. Definitely not. Cheers, > On 22 Jan 2022, at 2:04 pm, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst = wrote: >=20 > On 2022-01-22 07:40, Darrel Miller wrote: >> Speaking as an individual, my answers to the questions are yes and = yes. >> Darrel >=20 > Our charter says: >=20 > Its output can include the following: >=20 > =E2=80=A2 Specifications for HTTP extensions that relate to HTTP APIs = (typically, new HTTP header and/or trailer fields) >=20 > =E2=80=A2 Specifications for new message body formats, or conventions = for their use in HTTP APIs (e.g., patterns of JSON objects) >=20 > =E2=80=A2 Best practices and other documentation for HTTP API = designers, consumers, implementers, operators, etc. >=20 > It's quite clear that the first two bullet points should result in = Proposed Standards, and the last one in BCP. Experimental or = Informational may be used if something is in an early design/use phase. >=20 > So my answers would be: A: Yes, B: Mostly yes, but see above. >=20 > Regards, Martin. >=20 >> From: Salz, Rich >> Sent: January 21, 2022 3:49 PM >> There are two questions I=E2=80=99d like the WG to consider: >> * A. Should the =E2=80=9Clinkset=E2=80=9D draft be a Proposed = Standard? >> * B. 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Sun, 23 Jan 2022 02:39:02 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="===============0573461212779974425==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Repository Activity Summary Bot To: httpapi@ietf.org Message-Id: <20220123075607.70B263A1B96@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 23:56:07 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] Weekly github digest (HTTPAPI WG Activity Summary) X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 07:56:12 -0000 --===============0573461212779974425== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Events without label "editorial" Issues ------ * ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers (+1/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC9) 1 issues created: - Can a server only return RateLimit-Limit, RateLimit-Remaining but not R= ateLimit-Reset? (by guzi99) https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers/issues/82=20 2 issues received 9 new comments: - #82 Can a server only return RateLimit-Limit and RateLimit-Remaining bu= t not RateLimit-Reset? (6 by guzi99, ioggstream) https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers/issues/82=20 - #10 Throttling scope (3 by ioggstream, wayne2eng) https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers/issues/10=20 1 issues closed: - Can a server only return RateLimit-Limit and RateLimit-Remaining but no= t RateLimit-Reset? https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers/iss= ues/82=20 * ietf-wg-httpapi/idempotency (+0/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC1) 1 issues received 1 new comments: - #6 Use Structured Fields (1 by sdatspun2) https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/idempotency/issues/6=20 1 issues closed: - Use Structured Fields https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/idempotency/is= sues/6=20 * ietf-wg-httpapi/linkset (+1/-2/=F0=9F=92=AC16) 1 issues created: - Genart last call review of draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-06 (by dret) https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/linkset/issues/63=20 2 issues received 16 new comments: - #63 Genart last call review of draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-06 (6 by cdh4= u, hvdsomp) https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/linkset/issues/63=20 - #62 AD review of draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-06 (10 by dret, fpalombini,= hvdsomp, richsalz) https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/linkset/issues/62=20 2 issues closed: - AD review of draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-06 https://github.com/ietf-wg-h= ttpapi/linkset/issues/62=20 - Genart last call review of draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-06 https://github= .com/ietf-wg-httpapi/linkset/issues/63=20 * ietf-wg-httpapi/deprecation-header (+1/-0/=F0=9F=92=AC1) 1 issues created: - Relationship to HTTP status code usage (by dret) https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/deprecation-header/issues/17=20 1 issues received 1 new comments: - #17 Relationship to HTTP status code usage (1 by ioggstream) https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/deprecation-header/issues/17=20 Pull requests ------------- * ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers (+1/-0/=F0=9F=92=AC5) 1 pull requests submitted: - Alternate throttling scope. Fix: #10 (by ioggstream) https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers/pull/83=20 1 pull requests received 5 new comments: - #83 Alternate throttling scope. Fix: #10 (5 by ioggstream, richsalz, un= leashed) https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers/pull/83=20 * ietf-wg-httpapi/idempotency (+0/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC0) 1 pull requests merged: - uses structured field issue #6 https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/idempotency/pull/10=20 Repositories tracked by this digest: ----------------------------------- * https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers * https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/wg-materials * https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/idempotency * https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/rfc7807bis * https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/linkset * https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/deprecation-header --===============0573461212779974425== Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weekly github digest (HTTPAPI WG Activity Summary)

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ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers (+1/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC9)

1 issues created:

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1 issues closed:

ietf-wg-httpapi/idempotency (+0/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC1)

1 issues received 1 new comments:

1 issues closed:

ietf-wg-httpapi/linkset (+1/-2/=F0=9F=92=AC16)

1 issues created:

2 issues received 16 new comments:

2 issues closed:

ietf-wg-httpapi/deprecation-header (+1/-0/=F0=9F=92=AC1)

1 issues created:

1 issues received 1 new comments:

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ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers (+1/-0/=F0=9F=92=AC5)

1 pull requests submitted:

1 pull requests received 5 new comments:

ietf-wg-httpapi/idempotency (+0/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC0)

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X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:30:52 -0000 --_000_HE1PR07MB42175B4815FA6E21C6DAFF3D985E9HE1PR07MB4217eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rich, Darrel, thanks for starting this thread. As a reviewer of the document, I think this one could be published as eithe= r Informational or Proposed Standard. I=92ve encountered many documents tha= t aimed to register media-types and the text around is considered informati= onal, so this would not be new. In practice, I agree with Mark. As responsi= ble AD, it is good to have this conversation in the wg and come to a conclu= sion to motivate the choice, so I will be looking out for the chairs summar= y. Something to note is that I might need to restart a 2 week Last Call if = the working group decides that Proposed standard is the way to go, as the f= irst LC was for Informational (it is easy to change status from Proposed st= andard to Informational, but the other way requires more care). Finally for B: I agree with Martin that some chartered items will require s= omething else than Proposed standard. In general, my opinion is that it wou= ld be better the working group does not assume anything but rather consider= the question of which is the right intended status for each draft, before = sending it forward, so the document can be Last Called correctly. If the in= tended status is obvious, it won=92t be much work, but if it is not the que= stion will anyway come up and require motivation at some point during revie= w. Francesca From: Salz, Rich Date: Saturday, 22 January 2022 at 16:30 To: Darrel Miller , httpapi= @ietf.org Cc: Francesca Palombini Subject: Re: [httpapi] Linkset draft: move from informational to proposed s= tandard? Also speaking as an individual, my answers are yes and yes. And I want to mention that it was Darrel, in offline conversation, who basi= cally proposed B. From: Darrel Miller Date: Friday, January 21, 2022 at 5:40 PM To: "httpapi@ietf.org" Cc: Francesca Palombini Subject: Re: [httpapi] Linkset draft: move from informational to proposed s= tandard? Speaking as an individual, my answers to the questions are yes and yes. Darrel From: Salz, Rich Sent: January 21, 2022 3:49 PM There are two questions I=92d like the WG to consider: - A. Should the =93linkset=94 draft be a Proposed Standard? - B. Should we assume everything we do is Proposed Standard unless= otherwise discussed? Please post your thoughts about A and/or B within the next two weeks. --_000_HE1PR07MB42175B4815FA6E21C6DAFF3D985E9HE1PR07MB4217eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rich, Dar= rel, thanks for starting this thread.

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As a revi= ewer of the document, I think this one could be published as either Informa= tional or Proposed Standard. I=92ve encountered many documents that aimed t= o register media-types and the text around is considered informational, so this would not be new. In practice, I agre= e with Mark. As responsible AD, it is good to have this conversation in the= wg and come to a conclusion to motivate the choice, so I will be looking o= ut for the chairs summary. Something to note is that I might need to restart a 2 week Last Call if the working = group decides that Proposed standard is the way to go, as the first LC was = for Informational (it is easy to change status from Proposed standard to In= formational, but the other way requires more care).

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Finally f= or B: I agree with Martin that some chartered items will require something = else than Proposed standard. In general, my opinion is that it would be bet= ter the working group does not assume anything but rather consider the question of which is the right intended s= tatus for each draft, before sending it forward, so the document can be Las= t Called correctly. If the intended status is obvious, it won=92t be much w= ork, but if it is not the question will anyway come up and require motivation at some point during review.


Francesca

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From: Salz, Rich= <rsalz@akamai.com>
Date: Saturday, 22 January 2022 at 16:30
To: Darrel Miller <Darrel.Miller=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org= >, httpapi@ietf.org <httpapi@ietf.org>
Cc: Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: [httpapi] Linkset draft: move from informational to pro= posed standard?

Al= so speaking as an individual, my answers are yes and yes.=

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An= d I want to mention that it was Darrel, in offline conversation, who basica= lly proposed B.

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From: Darr= el Miller <Darrel.Miller=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Friday, January 21, 2022 at 5:40 PM
To: "httpapi@ietf.org" <httpapi@ietf.org>
Cc: Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: [httpapi] Linkset draft: move from informational to pro= posed standard?

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Sp= eaking as an individual, my answers to the questions are yes and yes.<= /o:p>

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Da= rrel

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From: Salz, Rich
Sent: January 21, 2022 3:49 PM

Th= ere are two questions I=92d like the WG to consider:

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-=    &n= bsp;      A. Should the =93linkset=94 draft be a Proposed Standard?

-=    &n= bsp;      B. Should we assume everything we do is Proposed Standard unless otherw= ise discussed?

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Pl= ease post your thoughts about A and/or B within the next two weeks.

 

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X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 04:54:52 -0000 --_000_BY5PR00MB06598FBEE4FED2D4C56D6654F05F9BY5PR00MB0659namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Speaking as an individual, my initial reaction to Mark=92s email is to defe= r to his experience here. I do agree that we don=92t want to overstate our= authority and the fact that it is a straightforward process to bring somet= hing that is Informational to Proposed Standard is a good thing. However, I am concerned about repurposing =93Informational=94 because the m= eaning of =93Proposed Standard=94 has broadened over time. 2026 describes = Informational with examples such as: * =93things that can=92t be practiced=94, * descriptions of vendor created protocols, * =93work=85that has been dropped for some reason=94 As Martin rightly called out, =93Best practices and other documentation for= HTTP API designers=94 definitely should be considered as Informational. However, work on HTTP extensions, in my opinion should be indicated as Prop= osed Standard, as was the original intent of the status, even if we are the= new kids on the block. I will concede that asserting all our efforts should default to =93Proposed= Standard=94 is probably not a good idea. We should probably make the deci= sion on a case by case basis. Darrel From: Francesca Palombini Sent: January 24, 2022 8:30 AM To: Salz, Rich; Darrel Miller; httpapi@ietf.org Subject: Re: [httpapi] Linkset draft: move from informational to proposed s= tandard? Rich, Darrel, thanks for starting this thread. As a reviewer of the document, I think this one could be published as eithe= r Informational or Proposed Standard. I=92ve encountered many documents tha= t aimed to register media-types and the text around is considered informati= onal, so this would not be new. In practice, I agree with Mark. As responsi= ble AD, it is good to have this conversation in the wg and come to a conclu= sion to motivate the choice, so I will be looking out for the chairs summar= y. Something to note is that I might need to restart a 2 week Last Call if = the working group decides that Proposed standard is the way to go, as the f= irst LC was for Informational (it is easy to change status from Proposed st= andard to Informational, but the other way requires more care). Finally for B: I agree with Martin that some chartered items will require s= omething else than Proposed standard. In general, my opinion is that it wou= ld be better the working group does not assume anything but rather consider= the question of which is the right intended status for each draft, before = sending it forward, so the document can be Last Called correctly. If the in= tended status is obvious, it won=92t be much work, but if it is not the que= stion will anyway come up and require motivation at some point during revie= w. Francesca From: Salz, Rich Date: Saturday, 22 January 2022 at 16:30 To: Darrel Miller , httpapi= @ietf.org Cc: Francesca Palombini Subject: Re: [httpapi] Linkset draft: move from informational to proposed s= tandard? Also speaking as an individual, my answers are yes and yes. And I want to mention that it was Darrel, in offline conversation, who basi= cally proposed B. From: Darrel Miller Date: Friday, January 21, 2022 at 5:40 PM To: "httpapi@ietf.org" Cc: Francesca Palombini Subject: Re: [httpapi] Linkset draft: move from informational to proposed s= tandard? Speaking as an individual, my answers to the questions are yes and yes. Darrel From: Salz, Rich Sent: January 21, 2022 3:49 PM There are two questions I=92d like the WG to consider: - A. Should the =93linkset=94 draft be a Proposed Standard? - B. Should we assume everything we do is Proposed Standard unless = otherwise discussed? Please post your thoughts about A and/or B within the next two weeks. --_000_BY5PR00MB06598FBEE4FED2D4C56D6654F05F9BY5PR00MB0659namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Speaking as an individual, my i= nitial reaction to Mark=92s email is to defer to his experience here. = I do agree that we don=92t want to overstate our authority and the fact th= at it is a straightforward process to bring something that is Informational to Proposed Standard is a good thing.

 

However, I am concerned about r= epurposing =93Informational=94 because the meaning of =93Proposed Standard= =94 has broadened over time.  2026 describes Informational with exampl= es such as:

  • =93things that can=92t be practiced=94,
  • descriptions of vendor cr= eated protocols,
  • =93work=85that has been d= ropped for some reason=94

 

As Martin rightly called out, =93Best practices and = other documentation for HTTP API designers=94 definitely should be consider= ed as Informational.

 

However, work on HTTP extensions, in my opinion shou= ld be indicated as Proposed Standard, as was the original intent of the sta= tus, even if we are the new kids on the block.

 

I will concede that asserting all our efforts should= default to =93Proposed Standard=94 is probably not a good idea.  We s= hould probably make the decision on a case by case basis.

 

Darrel

 

From: Francesca= Palombini
Sent: January 24, 2022 8:30 AM
To: Salz, Rich; Darrel Miller; httpapi@ietf.org=
Subject: Re: [httpapi] Linkset draft: move from informational to pro= posed standard?

 

Rich, Darrel, thanks for starti= ng this thread.

 

As a reviewer of the document, = I think this one could be published as either Informational or Proposed Sta= ndard. I=92ve encountered many documents that aimed to register media-types= and the text around is considered informational, so this would not be new. In practice, I agree with Mark. As responsible A= D, it is good to have this conversation in the wg and come to a conclusion = to motivate the choice, so I will be looking out for the chairs summary. So= mething to note is that I might need to restart a 2 week Last Call if the working group decides that Propo= sed standard is the way to go, as the first LC was for Informational (it is= easy to change status from Proposed standard to Informational, but the oth= er way requires more care).

 

Finally for B: I agree with Mar= tin that some chartered items will require something else than Proposed sta= ndard. In general, my opinion is that it would be better the working group = does not assume anything but rather consider the question of which is the right intended status for each draft= , before sending it forward, so the document can be Last Called correctly. = If the intended status is obvious, it won=92t be much work, but if it is no= t the question will anyway come up and require motivation at some point during review.


Francesca

 

From: Salz, Rich= <rsalz@akamai.com>
Date: Saturday, 22 January 2022 at 16:30
To: Darrel Miller <Darrel.Miller=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org= >, httpapi@ietf.org <httpapi@ietf.org>
Cc: Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: [httpapi] Linkset draft: move from informational to pro= posed standard?

Al= so speaking as an individual, my answers are yes and yes.=

&n= bsp;

An= d I want to mention that it was Darrel, in offline conversation, who basica= lly proposed B.

&n= bsp;

From: Darrel Miller <D= arrel.Miller=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Friday, January 21, 2022 at 5:40 PM
To: "httpapi@ietf.org" <httpapi@ietf.org>
Cc: Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: [httpapi] Linkset draft: move from informational to pro= posed standard?

 

Sp= eaking as an individual, my answers to the questions are yes and yes.<= /o:p>

&n= bsp;

Da= rrel

 

 

From: Salz, R= ich
Sent: January 21, 2022 3:49 PM

Th= ere are two questions I=92d like the WG to consider:

&n= bsp;

-=    &n= bsp;     A. Should the =93linkset=94 draft be a Proposed Standard?

-=    &n= bsp;     B. Should we assume everything we do is Proposed Standard unless otherw= ise discussed?

&n= bsp;

Pl= ease post your thoughts about A and/or B within the next two weeks.

 

 

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Me and Alex think that the doc is in good shape, and that we're ready for a WGLC after we tackle this last issue https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers/pull/81 The issue is whether to split the quota-policy information conflated in `RateLimit-Limit` in another field `RateLimit-Policy`. This simplifies the field definition, We'll then move from a sf-list (sf-integer, sf-item, ... sf-item) ~~~ RateLimit-Limit: 10, 10; w=10, 100; w=1000 ~~~ to two fields, one sf-integer and one sf-dictionary ~~~ RateLimit-Policy: 10; w=10, 100; w=1000 # sf-dictionary RateLimit-Limit: 10 # sf-integer ~~~ We're waiting for your feedback! 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