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General Chair, NOMS 2000 --=====================_104860090==_.ALT-- From dromasca@lucent.com Sun Feb 6 10:46:54 2000 Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA10005 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:46:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from reebok.rose.hp.com (reebok.rose.hp.com [15.29.17.101]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287B6242; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 07:46:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rosemail.rose.hp.com by reebok.rose.hp.com with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2+CNS 4.0 ) id AA170741929; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 07:45:29 -0800 Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [15.81.168.10]) by rosemail.rose.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id HAA12383 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 07:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from itc-eml2.ta.israel.madge.com (at.lannet.com [194.90.94.231]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B94241 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 07:44:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by ITC-EML2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:41:48 +0200 Message-Id: <15F58915DF84D311AC7D0090279AA6140753AE@ITC-EML2> From: Dan Romascanu To: "'hubmib@hprnd.rose.hp.com'" Subject: Meeting in Adelaide? Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:41:47 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hub-MIB-ers, Unless I hear some special reasons expressed on the list, I will not ask for a meeting slot for the Ethernet Interfaces and Hub MIB WG in Adelaide. The only issue that I heard to be discussed - though it was not brought to this list, was related to the 802.3ad MIB which was looking for a root OID and for a format to become exposed to the IETF community. I would be grateful if somebody can update the WG if the IEEE 802.3ad group took any decision about this issue at its recent meeting. Regards, Dan From dromasca@lucent.com Tue Feb 8 05:05:12 2000 Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA13039 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 05:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from reebok.rose.hp.com (reebok.rose.hp.com [15.29.17.101]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879F0135; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 02:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from rosemail.rose.hp.com by reebok.rose.hp.com with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2+CNS 4.0 ) id AA010634302; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 02:05:02 -0800 Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [15.81.168.10]) by rosemail.rose.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id CAA26965 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 02:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from itc-eml2.ta.israel.madge.com (at.lannet.com [194.90.94.231]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7297AA1C for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 02:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by ITC-EML2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:01:56 +0200 Message-Id: <15F58915DF84D311AC7D0090279AA6140753D8@ITC-EML2> From: Dan Romascanu To: "'hubmib@hprnd.rose.hp.com'" Subject: Hub MIB Documents Status Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:01:53 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Our Area Director is friendly tapping on my shoulder and tells us it is time to look at the implementation status of our MIBs and their possible advancement to Draft Standard. Let us remember what we have on the standards track: (1) - RFC 1515 - MAU MIB (v1!) (2) - RFC 2108 - Repeater MIB (3) - RFC 2665 - Ethernet-like Interfaces (4) - RFC 2668 - MAU MIB (v2) All the above are at Proposed. We could consider the following: * moving (1) to Historical * advancing (2) to Draft, or moving it to Historical if there are not enough documented implementations and interoperability * discussing whether (3) or (4) - published six months ago - already have enough implementations to report in order to start discussing advancement to Draft I would like to hear comments and especially information about existing implementations. If there is enough positive feedback, I will prepare an implementation questionnaire, as we did in the previous rounds. Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Bert Wijnen [SMTP:WIJNEN@vnet.ibm.com] > Sent: Sun February 06 2000 21:42 > To: dromasca@lucent.com > Subject: Meeting in Adelaide? > > Ref: Your note of Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:41:47 +0200 > > Subject: Re: Meeting in Adelaide? > > Up to you... but would it be time to start looking at implementations > of the various MIBs of this WG and see if we can advance them to DS? > > Bert From andrew@extremenetworks.com Tue Feb 8 17:41:20 2000 Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12980 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:41:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from reebok.rose.hp.com (reebok.rose.hp.com [15.29.17.101]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8E4408; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rosemail.rose.hp.com by reebok.rose.hp.com with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2+CNS 4.0 ) id AA043249658; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:40:58 -0800 Received: from atlrel1.hp.com (atlrel1.hp.com [15.10.176.10]) by rosemail.rose.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id OAA23855 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sol.extremenetworks.com (sol.extremenetworks.com [216.52.8.2]) by atlrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3272BFE6 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by SOL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1S1MA6RQ>; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:37:52 -0800 Message-Id: <808F64DDB492D3119D3C00508B5D8D733EC514@SOL> From: Andrew Smith To: "'Dan Romascanu'" , "'hubmib@hprnd.rose.hp.com'" Subject: RE: Hub MIB Documents Status Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:28:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan, Of course your message does beg the question - what about 10Gig Ethernet? By the time we get these MIBs to Draft Standard status, they'll (probably) need to go back to Proposed to include 10Gig objects. This is a general issue for MIBs for moving targets - does IETF have a general solution? BTW, Extreme Networks has an "agent" implementation of RFC 2668 and RFC 2665 that we are shipping in volume and are willing to provide feedback on the implementation. Andrew **************************************************************** Andrew Smith tel: +1 (408) 579-2821 Extreme Networks fax: +1 (408) 579-3000 3585 Monroe St. http://www.extremenetworks.com Santa Clara CA 95051-1450 em: andrew@extremenetworks.com **************************************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Romascanu [mailto:dromasca@lucent.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 2:02 AM > To: 'hubmib@hprnd.rose.hp.com' > Subject: Hub MIB Documents Status > > > Our Area Director is friendly tapping on my shoulder and > tells us it is time > to look at the implementation status of our MIBs and their possible > advancement to Draft Standard. Let us remember what we have > on the standards > track: > > (1) - RFC 1515 - MAU MIB (v1!) > (2) - RFC 2108 - Repeater MIB > (3) - RFC 2665 - Ethernet-like Interfaces > (4) - RFC 2668 - MAU MIB (v2) > > All the above are at Proposed. > > We could consider the following: > > * moving (1) to Historical > * advancing (2) to Draft, or moving it to Historical if > there are not > enough documented implementations and interoperability > * discussing whether (3) or (4) - published six months ago - already > have enough implementations to report in order to start discussing > advancement to Draft > > I would like to hear comments and especially information > about existing > implementations. If there is enough positive feedback, I will > prepare an > implementation questionnaire, as we did in the previous rounds. > > Regards, > > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bert Wijnen [SMTP:WIJNEN@vnet.ibm.com] > > Sent: Sun February 06 2000 21:42 > > To: dromasca@lucent.com > > Subject: Meeting in Adelaide? > > > > Ref: Your note of Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:41:47 +0200 > > > > Subject: Re: Meeting in Adelaide? > > > > Up to you... but would it be time to start looking at > implementations > > of the various MIBs of this WG and see if we can advance them to DS? > > > > Bert > From dromasca@lucent.com Wed Feb 9 04:54:55 2000 Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA02830 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 04:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from reebok.rose.hp.com (reebok.rose.hp.com [15.29.17.101]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9841876D; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from rosemail.rose.hp.com by reebok.rose.hp.com with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2+CNS 4.0 ) id AA056930089; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:54:49 -0800 Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [15.81.184.10]) by rosemail.rose.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id BAA09085 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:54:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from itc-eml2.ta.israel.madge.com (at.lannet.com [194.90.94.231]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8041E9 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:54:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by ITC-EML2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:51:46 +0200 Message-Id: <15F58915DF84D311AC7D0090279AA614127E23@ITC-EML2> From: Dan Romascanu To: "'Andrew Smith'" , "'hubmib@hprnd.rose.hp.com'" Subject: RE: Hub MIB Documents Status Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:51:45 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Andy, > Of course your message does beg the question - what about 10Gig Ethernet? > By > the time we get these MIBs to Draft Standard status, they'll (probably) > need > to go back to Proposed to include 10Gig objects. This is a general issue > for > MIBs for moving targets - does IETF have a general solution? > [Dan] I do not think that IETF has a general solution for 'MIBs for moving targets'. Maybe it has some practical rules and historical experience. For example, when Ethernet sped up from 100 M to 1 G, the WG decided that the differences are minimal, and the MIBs modules for 100 M can be used for 1 G as well. If the situation is different at the next jump, we may add delta modules, or we may create new modules incorporating the existing one and starting their standards track journey in parallel with their elder brothers (see the example of the RMON RFCs). > BTW, Extreme Networks has an "agent" implementation of RFC 2668 and RFC > 2665 > that we are shipping in volume and are willing to provide feedback on the > implementation. > [Dan] You certainly deserve the prize for the first respondent. It should be a boomerang this time, right? 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