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Please find below the minutes of the joint meeting of the hubmib and =
atommib Working Groups in Minneapolis.
Regards,
Dan

MINUTES OF THE JOINT MEETING OF THE HUBMIB AND ATOMMIB WG=20
TUESDAY, March 19, 2002=20
1700-1800 Afternoon Sessions IV
INT atommib &OPS &hubmib AToM MIB WG & Ethernet Interfaces and Hub MIB =
WG=20
Chairs: Dan Romascanu - dromasca@avaya.com, Faye Ly - =
fayely98@hotmail.com, Nathan Kohn - mvnk@lucent.com
Introductions, Agenda bashing, Minutes Taker - 5 min
IEEE 802.3 status - Dan Romascanu - 10 min
WIS MIB Status and Open Issues Resolution - Mike Heard and KC Norseth - =
30 min
Next Steps, How to complete WGs Charter - 15 min
Internet-Draft
<<<http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hubmib-wi=
s-mib-02.txt>>>
Minutes taken by Randy Presuhn - randy_presuhn@bmc.com
There were no major changes to the proposed agenda for the
joint atommib / hubmib meeting.
There was a update on the IEEE 802.3ae activity. Problems had
been identified in the conformance clauses, and a new internal
letter is planned. Draft 4.1 is in ballot, and draft
4.2 is hoped for by March 18, with an IEEE interim planned in
April and completion targeted for June, 2002. Fortunately, all
major management-related comments have already been resolved.
The status report on the WIS (WAN Interface Sublayer)
MIB presented at the IEEE 803.2ae interim meeting=20
indicated that the IEEE liked it, and that there
was no contention surrounding the resolution of issues.
Recent changes include the addition of a new test pattern
type, changing some flags to enumerations, and trace object
alignment.
The editors of the WIS MIB are aware of a few edits that will
be needed, and the plan is to wait for the 4.2 update
from the IEEE, do a sanity check between the MIB and the
GDMO definitions, then issue a working group last call
on a document with an annex identifying known problems.
The document forwarded to the IESG will need to be "clean".
The WG last call will be done in the hubmib WG, but will
also be announced on the atommib WG mailing list.
A review of RFC 2558 implementations from five different
vendors showed that, when taken together, every object
was supported by at least two implementations. The plan
is to recommend the document for advancement from Proposed
to Draft Standard.
The final discussion concluded that those present did not
see a need for another joint meeting.


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<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Please =
find below the minutes of the joint meeting of the hubmib and atommib =
Working Groups in Minneapolis.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Regards,</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Dan</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">MINUTES =
OF THE JOINT MEETING OF THE HUBMIB AND ATOMMIB WG</FONT> </SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">TUESDAY, =
March 19, 2002</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">1700-1800 Afternoon Sessions IV</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">INT =
atommib &amp;OPS &amp;hubmib AToM MIB WG &amp; Ethernet Interfaces and =
Hub MIB WG</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Chairs: =
Dan Romascanu - dromasca@avaya.com, Faye Ly -</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times =
New Roman"></FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">fayely98@hotmail.com, =
Nathan Kohn - mvnk@lucent.com</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Introductions, Agenda bashing, Minutes Taker - 5 =
min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">IEEE =
802.3 status - Dan Romascanu - 10 min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">WIS MIB =
Status and Open Issues Resolution - Mike Heard and KC Norseth - 30 =
min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Next =
Steps, How to complete WGs Charter - 15 min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Internet-Draft</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&lt;&lt;&lt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hubm=
ib-wis-mib-02.txt">http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draf=
t-ietf-hubmib-wis-mib-02.txt</A>&gt;&gt;&gt;</FONT></U></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Minutes =
taken by Randy Presuhn -</FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">randy_presuhn@bmc.com</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">There =
were no major changes to the proposed agenda for the</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">joint =
atommib / hubmib meeting.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">There =
was a update on the IEEE 802.3ae activity. Problems =
had</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">been =
identified in the conformance clauses, and a new =
internal</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">letter =
is planned. Draft 4.1 is in ballot, and draft</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">4.2 is =
hoped for by March 18, with an IEEE interim planned in</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">April =
and completion targeted for June, 2002. Fortunately, =
all</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">major =
management-related comments have already been =
resolved.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The =
status report on the WIS (WAN Interface Sublayer)</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">MIB =
presented at the IEEE 803.2ae interim meeting</FONT> </SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">indicated that the IEEE liked it, and that =
there</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">was no =
contention surrounding the resolution of issues.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Recent =
changes include the addition of a new test pattern</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">type, =
changing some flags to enumerations, and trace object</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">alignment.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The =
editors of the WIS MIB are aware of a few edits that =
will</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">be =
needed, and the plan is to wait for the 4.2 update</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">from the =
IEEE, do a sanity check between the MIB and the</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">GDMO =
definitions, then issue a working group last call</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">on a =
document with an annex identifying known problems.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The =
document forwarded to the IESG will need to be =
&quot;clean&quot;.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The WG =
last call will be done in the hubmib WG, but will</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">also be =
announced on the atommib WG mailing list.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">A review =
of RFC 2558 implementations from five different</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">vendors =
showed that, when taken together, every object</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">was =
supported by at least two implementations. The plan</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">is to =
recommend the document for advancement from Proposed</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">to Draft =
Standard.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The =
final discussion concluded that those present did not</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">see a =
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Please find below the minutes of the joint meeting of the hubmib and =
atommib Working Groups in Minneapolis.
Regards,
Dan

MINUTES OF THE JOINT MEETING OF THE HUBMIB AND ATOMMIB WG=20
TUESDAY, March 19, 2002=20
1700-1800 Afternoon Sessions IV
INT atommib &OPS &hubmib AToM MIB WG & Ethernet Interfaces and Hub MIB =
WG=20
Chairs: Dan Romascanu - dromasca@avaya.com, Faye Ly - =
fayely98@hotmail.com, Nathan Kohn - mvnk@lucent.com
Introductions, Agenda bashing, Minutes Taker - 5 min
IEEE 802.3 status - Dan Romascanu - 10 min
WIS MIB Status and Open Issues Resolution - Mike Heard and KC Norseth - =
30 min
Next Steps, How to complete WGs Charter - 15 min
Internet-Draft
<<<http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hubmib-wi=
s-mib-02.txt>>>
Minutes taken by Randy Presuhn - randy_presuhn@bmc.com
There were no major changes to the proposed agenda for the
joint atommib / hubmib meeting.
There was a update on the IEEE 802.3ae activity. Problems had
been identified in the conformance clauses, and a new internal
letter is planned. Draft 4.1 is in ballot, and draft
4.2 is hoped for by March 18, with an IEEE interim planned in
April and completion targeted for June, 2002. Fortunately, all
major management-related comments have already been resolved.
The status report on the WIS (WAN Interface Sublayer)
MIB presented at the IEEE 803.2ae interim meeting=20
indicated that the IEEE liked it, and that there
was no contention surrounding the resolution of issues.
Recent changes include the addition of a new test pattern
type, changing some flags to enumerations, and trace object
alignment.
The editors of the WIS MIB are aware of a few edits that will
be needed, and the plan is to wait for the 4.2 update
from the IEEE, do a sanity check between the MIB and the
GDMO definitions, then issue a working group last call
on a document with an annex identifying known problems.
The document forwarded to the IESG will need to be "clean".
The WG last call will be done in the hubmib WG, but will
also be announced on the atommib WG mailing list.
A review of RFC 2558 implementations from five different
vendors showed that, when taken together, every object
was supported by at least two implementations. The plan
is to recommend the document for advancement from Proposed
to Draft Standard.
The final discussion concluded that those present did not
see a need for another joint meeting.


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Working Groups in Minneapolis.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Regards,</FONT></SPAN></P>

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atommib &amp;OPS &amp;hubmib AToM MIB WG &amp; Ethernet Interfaces and =
Hub MIB WG</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Chairs: =
Dan Romascanu - dromasca@avaya.com, Faye Ly -</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times =
New Roman"></FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">fayely98@hotmail.com, =
Nathan Kohn - mvnk@lucent.com</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Introductions, Agenda bashing, Minutes Taker - 5 =
min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">IEEE =
802.3 status - Dan Romascanu - 10 min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">WIS MIB =
Status and Open Issues Resolution - Mike Heard and KC Norseth - 30 =
min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Next =
Steps, How to complete WGs Charter - 15 min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Internet-Draft</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&lt;&lt;&lt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hubm=
ib-wis-mib-02.txt">http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draf=
t-ietf-hubmib-wis-mib-02.txt</A>&gt;&gt;&gt;</FONT></U></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Minutes =
taken by Randy Presuhn -</FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">randy_presuhn@bmc.com</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">There =
were no major changes to the proposed agenda for the</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">joint =
atommib / hubmib meeting.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">There =
was a update on the IEEE 802.3ae activity. Problems =
had</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">been =
identified in the conformance clauses, and a new =
internal</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">letter =
is planned. Draft 4.1 is in ballot, and draft</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">4.2 is =
hoped for by March 18, with an IEEE interim planned in</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">April =
and completion targeted for June, 2002. Fortunately, =
all</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">major =
management-related comments have already been =
resolved.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The =
status report on the WIS (WAN Interface Sublayer)</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">MIB =
presented at the IEEE 803.2ae interim meeting</FONT> </SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">indicated that the IEEE liked it, and that =
there</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">was no =
contention surrounding the resolution of issues.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Recent =
changes include the addition of a new test pattern</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">type, =
changing some flags to enumerations, and trace object</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">alignment.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The =
editors of the WIS MIB are aware of a few edits that =
will</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">be =
needed, and the plan is to wait for the 4.2 update</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">from the =
IEEE, do a sanity check between the MIB and the</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">GDMO =
definitions, then issue a working group last call</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">on a =
document with an annex identifying known problems.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The =
document forwarded to the IESG will need to be =
&quot;clean&quot;.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The WG =
last call will be done in the hubmib WG, but will</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">also be =
announced on the atommib WG mailing list.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">A review =
of RFC 2558 implementations from five different</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">vendors =
showed that, when taken together, every object</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">was =
supported by at least two implementations. The plan</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">is to =
recommend the document for advancement from Proposed</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">to Draft =
Standard.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The =
final discussion concluded that those present did not</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">see a =
need for another joint meeting.</FONT></SPAN></P>

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Please find below the minutes of the joint meeting of the hubmib and =
atommib Working Groups in Minneapolis, as well as the presentation that =
was used during the meeting.

Regards,

Dan
 <<hubmib_atommib_joint_meeting.ppt>>=20

MINUTES OF THE JOINT MEETING OF THE HUBMIB AND ATOMMIB WG=20

TUESDAY, March 19, 2002=20
1700-1800 Afternoon Sessions IV
INT atommib &OPS &hubmib AToM MIB WG & Ethernet Interfaces and Hub MIB =
WG=20
Chairs: Dan Romascanu - dromasca@avaya.com, Faye Ly - =
fayely98@hotmail.com, Nathan Kohn - mvnk@lucent.com
Introductions, Agenda bashing, Minutes Taker - 5 min
IEEE 802.3 status - Dan Romascanu - 10 min
WIS MIB Status and Open Issues Resolution - Mike Heard and KC Norseth - =
30 min
Next Steps, How to complete WGs Charter - 15 min
Internet-Draft
<<http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hubmib-wis=
-mib-02.txt>>
Minutes taken by Randy Presuhn -  randy_presuhn@bmc.com

There were no major changes to the proposed agenda for the
joint atommib / hubmib meeting.

There was a update on the IEEE  802.3ae activity.  Problems had
been identified in the conformance clauses, and a new internal
letter is planned.  Draft 4.1 is in ballot, and draft
4.2 is hoped for by March 18, with an IEEE interim planned in
April and completion targeted for June, 2002.  Fortunately, all
major management-related comments have already been resolved.

The status report on the WIS (WAN Interface Sublayer)
MIB presented at the IEEE 803.2ae interim meeting=20
indicated that the IEEE liked it, and that there
was no contention surrounding the resolution of issues.
Recent changes include the addition of a new test pattern
type, changing some flags to enumerations, and trace object
alignment.

The editors of the WIS MIB are aware of a few edits that will
be needed, and the plan is to wait for the 4.2 update
from the IEEE, do a sanity check between the MIB and the
GDMO definitions, then issue a working group last call
on a document with an annex identifying known problems.
The document forwarded to the IESG will need to be "clean".
The WG last call will be done in the hubmib WG, but will
also be announced on the atommib WG mailing list.

A review of RFC 2558 implementations from five different
vendors showed that, when taken together, every object
was supported by at least two implementations.  The plan
is to recommend the document for advancement from Proposed
to Draft Standard.

The final discussion concluded that those present did not
see a need for another joint meeting.


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<P DIR=3DLTR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Please find below the minutes =
of the joint meeting of the hubmib and atommib Working Groups in =
Minneapolis, as well as the presentation that was used during the =
meeting.</FONT></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Regards,</FONT></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Dan</FONT></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D2 COLOR=3D"#000000"> =
&lt;&lt;hubmib_atommib_joint_meeting.ppt&gt;&gt; </FONT></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">MINUTES OF THE JOINT MEETING =
OF THE HUBMIB AND ATOMMIB WG </FONT></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">TUESDAY, =
March 19, 2002</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">1700-1800 Afternoon Sessions IV</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">INT =
atommib &amp;OPS &amp;hubmib AToM MIB WG &amp; Ethernet Interfaces and =
Hub MIB WG</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Chairs: =
Dan Romascanu - dromasca@avaya.com, Faye Ly -</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times =
New Roman"></FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">fayely98@hotmail.com, =
Nathan Kohn - mvnk@lucent.com</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Introductions, Agenda bashing, Minutes Taker - 5 =
min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">IEEE =
802.3 status - Dan Romascanu - 10 min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">WIS MIB =
Status and Open Issues Resolution - Mike Heard and KC Norseth - 30 =
min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Next =
Steps, How to complete WGs Charter - 15 min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Internet-Draft</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&lt;&lt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hubm=
ib-wis-mib-02.txt">http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draf=
t-ietf-hubmib-wis-mib-02.txt</A>&gt;&gt;</FONT></U></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Minutes =
taken by Randy Presuhn -</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"he"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"he">&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> =
randy_presuhn@bmc.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">There were =
no major changes to the proposed agenda for the</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">joint =
atommib / hubmib meeting.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">There was a =
update on the IEEE&nbsp; 802.3ae activity.&nbsp; Problems =
had</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">been =
identified in the conformance clauses, and a new =
internal</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">letter is =
planned.&nbsp; Draft 4.1 is in ballot, and draft</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">4.2 is =
hoped for by March 18, with an IEEE interim planned in</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">April and =
completion targeted for June, 2002.&nbsp; Fortunately, =
all</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">major =
management-related comments have already been =
resolved.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The status =
report on the WIS (WAN Interface Sublayer)</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">MIB =
presented at the IEEE 803.2ae interim meeting </FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">indicated =
that the IEEE liked it, and that there</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">was no =
contention surrounding the resolution of issues.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Recent =
changes include the addition of a new test pattern</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">type, =
changing some flags to enumerations, and trace object</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">alignment.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The editors =
of the WIS MIB are aware of a few edits that will</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">be needed, =
and the plan is to wait for the 4.2 update</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">from the =
IEEE, do a sanity check between the MIB and the</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">GDMO =
definitions, then issue a working group last call</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">on a =
document with an annex identifying known problems.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The =
document forwarded to the IESG will need to be =
&quot;clean&quot;.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The WG last =
call will be done in the hubmib WG, but will</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">also be =
announced on the atommib WG mailing list.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">A review of =
RFC 2558 implementations from five different</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">vendors =
showed that, when taken together, every object</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">was =
supported by at least two implementations.&nbsp; The =
plan</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">is to =
recommend the document for advancement from Proposed</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">to Draft =
Standard.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The final =
discussion concluded that those present did not</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">see a need =
for another joint meeting.</FONT></SPAN></P>

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Please find below the minutes of the joint meeting of the hubmib and =
atommib Working Groups in Minneapolis, as well as the presentation that =
was used during the meeting.

Regards,

Dan
 <<hubmib_atommib_joint_meeting.ppt>>=20

MINUTES OF THE JOINT MEETING OF THE HUBMIB AND ATOMMIB WG=20

TUESDAY, March 19, 2002=20
1700-1800 Afternoon Sessions IV
INT atommib &OPS &hubmib AToM MIB WG & Ethernet Interfaces and Hub MIB =
WG=20
Chairs: Dan Romascanu - dromasca@avaya.com, Faye Ly - =
fayely98@hotmail.com, Nathan Kohn - mvnk@lucent.com
Introductions, Agenda bashing, Minutes Taker - 5 min
IEEE 802.3 status - Dan Romascanu - 10 min
WIS MIB Status and Open Issues Resolution - Mike Heard and KC Norseth - =
30 min
Next Steps, How to complete WGs Charter - 15 min
Internet-Draft
<<http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hubmib-wis=
-mib-02.txt>>
Minutes taken by Randy Presuhn -  randy_presuhn@bmc.com

There were no major changes to the proposed agenda for the
joint atommib / hubmib meeting.

There was a update on the IEEE  802.3ae activity.  Problems had
been identified in the conformance clauses, and a new internal
letter is planned.  Draft 4.1 is in ballot, and draft
4.2 is hoped for by March 18, with an IEEE interim planned in
April and completion targeted for June, 2002.  Fortunately, all
major management-related comments have already been resolved.

The status report on the WIS (WAN Interface Sublayer)
MIB presented at the IEEE 803.2ae interim meeting=20
indicated that the IEEE liked it, and that there
was no contention surrounding the resolution of issues.
Recent changes include the addition of a new test pattern
type, changing some flags to enumerations, and trace object
alignment.

The editors of the WIS MIB are aware of a few edits that will
be needed, and the plan is to wait for the 4.2 update
from the IEEE, do a sanity check between the MIB and the
GDMO definitions, then issue a working group last call
on a document with an annex identifying known problems.
The document forwarded to the IESG will need to be "clean".
The WG last call will be done in the hubmib WG, but will
also be announced on the atommib WG mailing list.

A review of RFC 2558 implementations from five different
vendors showed that, when taken together, every object
was supported by at least two implementations.  The plan
is to recommend the document for advancement from Proposed
to Draft Standard.

The final discussion concluded that those present did not
see a need for another joint meeting.


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<P DIR=3DLTR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Please find below the minutes =
of the joint meeting of the hubmib and atommib Working Groups in =
Minneapolis, as well as the presentation that was used during the =
meeting.</FONT></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Regards,</FONT></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Dan</FONT></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D2 COLOR=3D"#000000"> =
&lt;&lt;hubmib_atommib_joint_meeting.ppt&gt;&gt; </FONT></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">MINUTES OF THE JOINT MEETING =
OF THE HUBMIB AND ATOMMIB WG </FONT></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">TUESDAY, =
March 19, 2002</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">1700-1800 Afternoon Sessions IV</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">INT =
atommib &amp;OPS &amp;hubmib AToM MIB WG &amp; Ethernet Interfaces and =
Hub MIB WG</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Chairs: =
Dan Romascanu - dromasca@avaya.com, Faye Ly -</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times =
New Roman"></FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">fayely98@hotmail.com, =
Nathan Kohn - mvnk@lucent.com</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Introductions, Agenda bashing, Minutes Taker - 5 =
min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">IEEE =
802.3 status - Dan Romascanu - 10 min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">WIS MIB =
Status and Open Issues Resolution - Mike Heard and KC Norseth - 30 =
min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Next =
Steps, How to complete WGs Charter - 15 min</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Internet-Draft</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&lt;&lt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hubm=
ib-wis-mib-02.txt">http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draf=
t-ietf-hubmib-wis-mib-02.txt</A>&gt;&gt;</FONT></U></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Minutes =
taken by Randy Presuhn -</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"he"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"he">&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> =
randy_presuhn@bmc.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">There were =
no major changes to the proposed agenda for the</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">joint =
atommib / hubmib meeting.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">There was a =
update on the IEEE&nbsp; 802.3ae activity.&nbsp; Problems =
had</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">been =
identified in the conformance clauses, and a new =
internal</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">letter is =
planned.&nbsp; Draft 4.1 is in ballot, and draft</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">4.2 is =
hoped for by March 18, with an IEEE interim planned in</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">April and =
completion targeted for June, 2002.&nbsp; Fortunately, =
all</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">major =
management-related comments have already been =
resolved.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The status =
report on the WIS (WAN Interface Sublayer)</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">MIB =
presented at the IEEE 803.2ae interim meeting </FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">indicated =
that the IEEE liked it, and that there</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">was no =
contention surrounding the resolution of issues.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Recent =
changes include the addition of a new test pattern</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">type, =
changing some flags to enumerations, and trace object</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">alignment.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The editors =
of the WIS MIB are aware of a few edits that will</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">be needed, =
and the plan is to wait for the 4.2 update</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">from the =
IEEE, do a sanity check between the MIB and the</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">GDMO =
definitions, then issue a working group last call</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">on a =
document with an annex identifying known problems.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The =
document forwarded to the IESG will need to be =
&quot;clean&quot;.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The WG last =
call will be done in the hubmib WG, but will</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">also be =
announced on the atommib WG mailing list.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">A review of =
RFC 2558 implementations from five different</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">vendors =
showed that, when taken together, every object</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">was =
supported by at least two implementations.&nbsp; The =
plan</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">is to =
recommend the document for advancement from Proposed</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">to Draft =
Standard.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The final =
discussion concluded that those present did not</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"he"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">see a need =
for another joint meeting.</FONT></SPAN></P>

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Steve,

Thank you for your comments. 

You are correct about issues #1 and #3. We will fix accordingly in the next version of the I-D.

Concerning #2, the SMIv2 recommendation is to make indices non-accessible rather than read-only.

Regards,

Dan


> -----Original Message-----
> From: STEVE.KO@DELTA.COM.TW [mailto:STEVE.KO@DELTA.COM.TW]
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:51 PM
> To: 'avib@PowerDsine.com'; Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
> Subject: Questions regarding Power Ethernet MIB
> 
> 
> Dear Avi and Dan, 
> 
> I'm Steve Ko. I'm working on the Power Ethernet MIB right 
> now. I've got
> three questions regarding Power Ethernet MIB. 
> 
> These questions are: 
> 1) In pethPsePortGroupIndex, the index starts at 1. Why does the index
>    start at 0 in pethMainPseGroupIndex and 
> pethTrapsControlGroupIndex? 
>    Is there any special meaning? Normally, the index starts 
> at 1 in other
>    MIBs.
> 2) Why is pethMainPseGroupIndex not-accessible? Normally, the 
> index is 
>    read-only, isn't it? 
> 3) In pethMainPseBackUpActivatedTrap, pethMainPowerUsageOnTrap, 
>    pethMainPowerUsageOffTrap, shall the pethPsePortGroupIndex 
> be replaced
>    with pethMainPseGroupIndex?
>     
> 
> The MIB file I have is 
> <draft-ietf-hubmib-power-ethernet-mib-01.txt>. You
> reply is highly appreciated. Thanks!
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Steve Ko 
> Delta Networks, Inc.  
> 
>   
> 
>         
> 

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Steve,

Thank you for your comments. 

You are correct about issues #1 and #3. We will fix accordingly in the next version of the I-D.

Concerning #2, the SMIv2 recommendation is to make indices non-accessible rather than read-only.

Regards,

Dan


> -----Original Message-----
> From: STEVE.KO@DELTA.COM.TW [mailto:STEVE.KO@DELTA.COM.TW]
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:51 PM
> To: 'avib@PowerDsine.com'; Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
> Subject: Questions regarding Power Ethernet MIB
> 
> 
> Dear Avi and Dan, 
> 
> I'm Steve Ko. I'm working on the Power Ethernet MIB right 
> now. I've got
> three questions regarding Power Ethernet MIB. 
> 
> These questions are: 
> 1) In pethPsePortGroupIndex, the index starts at 1. Why does the index
>    start at 0 in pethMainPseGroupIndex and 
> pethTrapsControlGroupIndex? 
>    Is there any special meaning? Normally, the index starts 
> at 1 in other
>    MIBs.
> 2) Why is pethMainPseGroupIndex not-accessible? Normally, the 
> index is 
>    read-only, isn't it? 
> 3) In pethMainPseBackUpActivatedTrap, pethMainPowerUsageOnTrap, 
>    pethMainPowerUsageOffTrap, shall the pethPsePortGroupIndex 
> be replaced
>    with pethMainPseGroupIndex?
>     
> 
> The MIB file I have is 
> <draft-ietf-hubmib-power-ethernet-mib-01.txt>. You
> reply is highly appreciated. Thanks!
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Steve Ko 
> Delta Networks, Inc.  
> 
>   
> 
>         
> 

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I hope this is the correct list to pose my question?  If it isn't could someone please point me right direction and I apologize!

I would like to keep track of our horizontal cabling on our switches.  Is there a field at the port level of a switch to do this?  Example:  Port #1 on switch X.X.X.X is connected to location 100-01 out of communication closet C-1.  I am using the system location field to keep track of the closet information a switch is installed in.   I am using ANSI/TIA/EIA 568 cabling standard so I know what cable comes out of what closet.  I would like to be able to query the switch in the C-1 closet and see what locations are cross-connected to it.  

I hope this makes sense and thank you for any information you could provide!


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I hope this is the correct list to pose my question?  If it isn't could someone please point me right direction and I apologize!

I would like to keep track of our horizontal cabling on our switches.  Is there a field at the port level of a switch to do this?  Example:  Port #1 on switch X.X.X.X is connected to location 100-01 out of communication closet C-1.  I am using the system location field to keep track of the closet information a switch is installed in.   I am using ANSI/TIA/EIA 568 cabling standard so I know what cable comes out of what closet.  I would like to be able to query the switch in the C-1 closet and see what locations are cross-connected to it.  

I hope this makes sense and thank you for any information you could provide!


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There is no current information about location information in the MIBs adopted or in works in this WG. Actually this does not look like an Ethernet specific issue. Another place to ask would be the Bridge MIB list - bridge-mib@ietf.org.

Regards,

Dan


> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> 
> I hope this is the correct list to pose my question?  If it 
> isn't could someone please point me right direction and I apologize!
> 
> I would like to keep track of our horizontal cabling on our 
> switches.  Is there a field at the port level of a switch to 
> do this?  Example:  Port #1 on switch X.X.X.X is connected to 
> location 100-01 out of communication closet C-1.  I am using 
> the system location field to keep track of the closet 
> information a switch is installed in.   I am using 
> ANSI/TIA/EIA 568 cabling standard so I know what cable comes 
> out of what closet.  I would like to be able to query the 
> switch in the C-1 closet and see what locations are 
> cross-connected to it.  
> 
> I hope this makes sense and thank you for any information you 
> could provide!
> 
> 
> Bill Halpin RCDD/LAN Specialist
> Network Engineer 
> St. John's Hospital
> 217-544-64664  ext: 44297
> bhalpin@st-johns.org
> 
> 
> 
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There is no current information about location information in the MIBs adopted or in works in this WG. Actually this does not look like an Ethernet specific issue. Another place to ask would be the Bridge MIB list - bridge-mib@ietf.org.

Regards,

Dan


> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> I hope this is the correct list to pose my question?  If it 
> isn't could someone please point me right direction and I apologize!
> 
> I would like to keep track of our horizontal cabling on our 
> switches.  Is there a field at the port level of a switch to 
> do this?  Example:  Port #1 on switch X.X.X.X is connected to 
> location 100-01 out of communication closet C-1.  I am using 
> the system location field to keep track of the closet 
> information a switch is installed in.   I am using 
> ANSI/TIA/EIA 568 cabling standard so I know what cable comes 
> out of what closet.  I would like to be able to query the 
> switch in the C-1 closet and see what locations are 
> cross-connected to it.  
> 
> I hope this makes sense and thank you for any information you 
> could provide!
> 
> 
> Bill Halpin RCDD/LAN Specialist
> Network Engineer 
> St. John's Hospital
> 217-544-64664  ext: 44297
> bhalpin@st-johns.org
> 
> 
> 
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Internet-Drafts:

1) Definitions of Managed Objects for the Ethernet-like Interface Types
http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hubmib-ether=
if-mib-v3-01.txt
2) Definitions of Managed Objects for IEEE 802.3 Medium Attachment Units =
(MAUs)=20
http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hubmib-mau-m=
ib-v3-01.txt
3) Definitions of Managed Objects for the Ethernet WAN Interface =
Sublayer
http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hubmib-wis-m=
ib-03.txt

The Ethernet Interfaces and Hub MIB Working Group intents to submit =
these three documents to the IESG for consideration as Proposed =
Standards. The last date for comments is May 6, 2002.=20

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ib-v3-01.txt
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Sublayer
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Standards. The last date for comments is May 6, 2002.=20

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On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:

> This is a Working Group Last Call announcement for the following
> three Internet-Drafts:
> 
> 1) Definitions of Managed Objects for the Ethernet-like Interface Types

Typo corrections for draft-ietf-hubmib-etherif-mib-v3-01.txt:
- Change all occurrences of "ammended" to "amended"
- Change "ifOperStatus" to "ifAdminStatus" in the paragraph of
  Section 3.5 that deals with the mapping of aPhyAdminState


> 2) Definitions of Managed Objects for IEEE 802.3 Medium Attachment Units
>    (MAUs) 

Typo corrections for draft-ietf-hubmib-mau-mib-v3-01.txt:
- Change all occurrences of "ammended" to "amended"
- Change "e.e.," to "i.e.," in Section 2.5.1, 2nd paragraph
- Change "dot2MauType10GigBaseW" to "dot3MauType10GigBaseW"
  in Section 2.5.1, 2nd paragraph
- Change "dot1MauTypeAUI" to "dot3MauTypeAUI" in the DESCRIPTION
  clause of ifMauJabberingStateEnters


> 3) Definitions of Managed Objects for the Ethernet WAN Interface Sublayer

Editorial changes for draft-ietf-hubmib-wis-mib-03.txt:
- Update contact information for Mike Ayers


Regards,

Mike


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On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:

> This is a Working Group Last Call announcement for the following
> three Internet-Drafts:
> 
> 1) Definitions of Managed Objects for the Ethernet-like Interface Types

Typo corrections for draft-ietf-hubmib-etherif-mib-v3-01.txt:
- Change all occurrences of "ammended" to "amended"
- Change "ifOperStatus" to "ifAdminStatus" in the paragraph of
  Section 3.5 that deals with the mapping of aPhyAdminState


> 2) Definitions of Managed Objects for IEEE 802.3 Medium Attachment Units
>    (MAUs) 

Typo corrections for draft-ietf-hubmib-mau-mib-v3-01.txt:
- Change all occurrences of "ammended" to "amended"
- Change "e.e.," to "i.e.," in Section 2.5.1, 2nd paragraph
- Change "dot2MauType10GigBaseW" to "dot3MauType10GigBaseW"
  in Section 2.5.1, 2nd paragraph
- Change "dot1MauTypeAUI" to "dot3MauTypeAUI" in the DESCRIPTION
  clause of ifMauJabberingStateEnters


> 3) Definitions of Managed Objects for the Ethernet WAN Interface Sublayer

Editorial changes for draft-ietf-hubmib-wis-mib-03.txt:
- Update contact information for Mike Ayers


Regards,

Mike


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Ladies & Gents,

Please accept apologies if this posting is too far off topic or is
better raised elsewhere.

The motion picture production industry is in early stages of
defining methods for moving high-resolution uncompressed image
data between equipment (such as film-to-video scanners -- a.k.a.
telecine -- and disk arrays). The desired data rates are
typically in the 3 - 8 Gb/s range. Solutions based on anticipated
availability of merchant-market 10Gb Ethernet may be attractive.

Within today's postproduction facilities, data rates up to
~ 1.5 Gb/s are commonly handled with point-to-point coax links
using SMPTE 292M modulation which is "framed" as a video raster
and operates at 1.485 Gb/s. This is an HDTV standard and is
strictly unidirectional from the source to the receiver.
Unidirectional links can easily be "split" through distribution
amplifiers and can be routed to multiple viewing monitors and
destination equipment bays.

It is common for some types of motion picture postproduction
equipment to have Ethernet interaces for communications and
control functions, separate from the datapath used for bulk
video data. Some users have suggested that the low-cost
10/100/1000 Ethernet connection could be used to manage a
separate unidirectional 10Gb/s transmitter or receiver which
is dedicated to realtime video content.

The attached file shows a highly speculative protocol stack
for real-time operation of a telecine film scanner. The very
bottom of the diagram is of concern here. Note that RFC3077
Unidirectional Link Routing is suggested for dividing traffic
between the 10GbE and 10/100/1000 links. 802.3 bonding or
"trunking" of multiple 10GbE links could be applied if it
is necessary to scale to higher data rates.

A 10GbE transceiver in full compliance with 802.3ae will not
operate as a unidirectional transmitter, as the lack of light
from a receive fiber will create a fault condition which is
reflected out the transmit port. However, an implementation
for this application might intentionally ignore the receive
fault and transmit unidirectionally. I believe that SNMP
management would be pertinent to such unidirectional
ethernet implementations. RFC3077 proponents such as
http://www.udcast.com/udlr/ may suggest other applications
in which these management tools would be useful.

Individuals who are interested in the motion picture
postproduction interconnect problem may wish to contact the
SMPTE N26 or DC28 committees,
http://www.smpte.org/engineering_committees/ .

Thank you for your attention.

Cheers,
  Chuck Harrison
  Far Field Associates, LLC
  +1 360 863 8340 (voice)  PDT = GMT-0700
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Ladies & Gents,

Please accept apologies if this posting is too far off topic or is
better raised elsewhere.

The motion picture production industry is in early stages of
defining methods for moving high-resolution uncompressed image
data between equipment (such as film-to-video scanners -- a.k.a.
telecine -- and disk arrays). The desired data rates are
typically in the 3 - 8 Gb/s range. Solutions based on anticipated
availability of merchant-market 10Gb Ethernet may be attractive.

Within today's postproduction facilities, data rates up to
~ 1.5 Gb/s are commonly handled with point-to-point coax links
using SMPTE 292M modulation which is "framed" as a video raster
and operates at 1.485 Gb/s. This is an HDTV standard and is
strictly unidirectional from the source to the receiver.
Unidirectional links can easily be "split" through distribution
amplifiers and can be routed to multiple viewing monitors and
destination equipment bays.

It is common for some types of motion picture postproduction
equipment to have Ethernet interaces for communications and
control functions, separate from the datapath used for bulk
video data. Some users have suggested that the low-cost
10/100/1000 Ethernet connection could be used to manage a
separate unidirectional 10Gb/s transmitter or receiver which
is dedicated to realtime video content.

The attached file shows a highly speculative protocol stack
for real-time operation of a telecine film scanner. The very
bottom of the diagram is of concern here. Note that RFC3077
Unidirectional Link Routing is suggested for dividing traffic
between the 10GbE and 10/100/1000 links. 802.3 bonding or
"trunking" of multiple 10GbE links could be applied if it
is necessary to scale to higher data rates.

A 10GbE transceiver in full compliance with 802.3ae will not
operate as a unidirectional transmitter, as the lack of light
from a receive fiber will create a fault condition which is
reflected out the transmit port. However, an implementation
for this application might intentionally ignore the receive
fault and transmit unidirectionally. I believe that SNMP
management would be pertinent to such unidirectional
ethernet implementations. RFC3077 proponents such as
http://www.udcast.com/udlr/ may suggest other applications
in which these management tools would be useful.

Individuals who are interested in the motion picture
postproduction interconnect problem may wish to contact the
SMPTE N26 or DC28 committees,
http://www.smpte.org/engineering_committees/ .

Thank you for your attention.

Cheers,
  Chuck Harrison
  Far Field Associates, LLC
  +1 360 863 8340 (voice)  PDT = GMT-0700
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At the IETF52 meeting the possibility of moving RFC 1643 to Historic
status was discussed, as stated in the following item from the minutes:

   o issue on rfc1643 - 2 current versions of the Ethernet mib. - do we
   move it to historic, full standard? Should we put in our current draft
   an explanation of why there are 2 drafts. Some vendors are using
   rfc1643 with private mibs.

To expand on this is more detail, the problem is that RFC 1643 supports
only 10 Mbps Ethernet;  however, because it is a full Standard while the
more up-to-date documents (currently RFCs 2665 and 2668, soon to be
replaced by the two drafts draft-ietf-hubmib-etherif-mib-v3-01.txt and
draft-ietf-hubmib-mau-mib-v3-01.txt, respectively) are only at Proposed
Standard, some vendors reportedly implement RFC 1643 plus private MIB
extensions instead of the up-to-date versions of the EthernetLike-MIB and
MAU-MIB.  It was suggested that the WG should ask that RFC 1643 be moved
to Historic status in order to provide a clear signal to vendors that the
document is out-of-date.

My sense is that this is the right thing to do.  Are there any other
opinions?

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At the IETF52 meeting the possibility of moving RFC 1643 to Historic
status was discussed, as stated in the following item from the minutes:

   o issue on rfc1643 - 2 current versions of the Ethernet mib. - do we
   move it to historic, full standard? Should we put in our current draft
   an explanation of why there are 2 drafts. Some vendors are using
   rfc1643 with private mibs.

To expand on this is more detail, the problem is that RFC 1643 supports
only 10 Mbps Ethernet;  however, because it is a full Standard while the
more up-to-date documents (currently RFCs 2665 and 2668, soon to be
replaced by the two drafts draft-ietf-hubmib-etherif-mib-v3-01.txt and
draft-ietf-hubmib-mau-mib-v3-01.txt, respectively) are only at Proposed
Standard, some vendors reportedly implement RFC 1643 plus private MIB
extensions instead of the up-to-date versions of the EthernetLike-MIB and
MAU-MIB.  It was suggested that the WG should ask that RFC 1643 be moved
to Historic status in order to provide a clear signal to vendors that the
document is out-of-date.

My sense is that this is the right thing to do.  Are there any other
opinions?

Mike


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