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Thread-Index: Ac/fHqjwdoUkCulCTzO+hKw2chDsRg== Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 15:28:20 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E1298B@dfweml701-chm> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.157.227] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E1298Bdfweml701chm_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/A-4NoUUJ1YzCsEnVEt6hZ3LUzgg Cc: "Zarny, Myo" Subject: [I2nsf] I2NSF BOF request has been approved for IETF 91 in Honolulu. X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 15:28:36 -0000 --_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E1298Bdfweml701chm_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, Good news: our proposed I2NSF BOF has been approved for IETF 91 in Honolulu= . We requested a non-working forming BOF to focus on use cases, survey of e= xisting IETF defined schemes that are potential solutions, and relationship= with relevant industry initiatives. We are seeking proposals for presentations and drafts for the IETF 91 I2NSF= BOF. Here are the area of interests: - Use cases for service request and verification from network oper= ators or 3rd party provided network security functions - Use cases of integrating of connectivity (e.g. VPN) with Network= Security Functions - Use cases of 3rd party managed network security functions for ed= ge network - Use cases of 3rd party managed network security functions for su= bscribers/end-users - Use cases of data center operators managed network security func= tions for tenants - trust model for 3rd party provided network security functions - survey of existing IETF defined schemes that are potential solut= ions, - Current Open NF activities at OpenDayLight, - Current OpenStack activities on Group Policies, - Implication of issues/validation associated with distributed net= work security functions. For example: distributed virtual firewall, distrib= uted denial of service (DDoS) attacks, - etc. Thank you. 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Dear All,

 

Good news: our proposed I2NSF BOF has been approved = for IETF 91 in Honolulu. We requested a non-working forming BOF to focus on= use cases, survey of existing IETF defined schemes that are potential solu= tions, and relationship with relevant industry initiatives.   

We are seeking proposals for presentations and draft= s for the IETF 91 I2NSF BOF. Here are the area of interests:

 

-     &= nbsp;    Use cases for service request and verifi= cation from network operators or 3rd party provided network secu= rity functions

-     &= nbsp;    Use cases of integrating of connectivity= (e.g. VPN) with Network Security Functions

-     &= nbsp;    Use cases of 3rd party manage= d network security functions for edge network

-     &= nbsp;    Use cases of 3rd party manage= d network security functions for subscribers/end-users

-     &= nbsp;    Use cases of data center operators manag= ed network security functions for tenants

-  &= nbsp;       trust model for 3rd pa= rty provided network security functions

-  &= nbsp;       survey of existing IETF defined schemes that= are potential solutions,

-  &= nbsp;       Current Open NF activities at OpenDayLight, =

-  &= nbsp;       Current OpenStack activities on Group Polici= es,

-  &= nbsp;       Implication of issues/validation = associated with distributed network security functions. For example: distri= buted virtual firewall, distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks,

-  &= nbsp;       etc.

Thank you.

Linda & Myo

 

 

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:36:15 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E18391@dfweml701-chm> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.192.11.129] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E18391dfweml701chm_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/_F6x_c20PZMhPxuz2Pk4F5-pDYs Subject: [I2nsf] IETF 91 Preliminary Agenda has I2NSF BOF arranged on Thurs afternoon 4:40pm-7:10pm X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:36:25 -0000 --_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E18391dfweml701chm_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear I2NSF Contributors - The preliminary schedule for IETF 91 has been published. We are currently p= lanning to meet on Thurs afternoon 4:40pm-7:10pm. Note that changes to the = agenda are still possible until it is finalized on 17-Oct. Please start considering whether you want to ask for time in the BOF. Here are the area of interests: - Use cases for service request and verification from network oper= ators or 3rd party provided network security functions - Use cases of integrating of connectivity (e.g. VPN) with Network= Security Functions - Use cases of 3rd party managed network security functions for ed= ge network - Use cases of 3rd party managed network security functions for su= bscribers/end-users - Use cases of data center operators managed network security func= tions for tenants - trust model for 3rd party provided network security functions - survey of existing IETF defined schemes that are potential solut= ions, - Current Open NF activities at OpenDayLight, - Current OpenStack activities on Group Policies, - Implication of issues/validation associated with distributed net= work security functions. For example: distributed virtual firewall, distrib= uted denial of service (DDoS) attacks, - etc. Cheers, Linda --_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E18391dfweml701chm_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear I2NSF Contributors -

The preliminary schedule for IETF 91 has been published. We are currently p= lanning to meet on Thurs afternoon 4:40pm-7:10pm. Note that changes to the = agenda are still possible until it is finalized on 17-Oct.

Please start considering whether you want to ask for time in the BOF. =

Here are the area of interests:

 

-     &= nbsp;    Use cases for service request and verifi= cation from network operators or 3rd party provided network secu= rity functions

-     &= nbsp;    Use cases of integrating of connectivity= (e.g. VPN) with Network Security Functions

-     &= nbsp;    Use cases of 3rd party manage= d network security functions for edge network

-     &= nbsp;    Use cases of 3rd party manage= d network security functions for subscribers/end-users

- = ;         Use cases of data center operator= s managed network security functions for tenants

- = ;         trust model for 3rd party provide= d network security functions

- = ;         survey of existing IETF defined s= chemes that are potential solutions,

- = ;         Current Open NF activities at Ope= nDayLight,

- = ;         Current OpenStack activities on G= roup Policies,

- = ;         Implication of issues/validation = associated with distributed network security functions. For example: distri= buted virtual firewall, distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks,

- = ;         etc.

 

Cheers,

 

Linda

--_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E18391dfweml701chm_-- From nobody Fri Oct 17 09:01:07 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151601A1B5D for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:01:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vWmOu1iOMUuP for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CB2C1A1A18 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BNT48599; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:01:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DFWEML706-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.225) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 17:01:00 +0100 Received: from DFWEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.50]) by dfweml706-chm ([10.193.5.225]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:00:57 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: "I2NSF@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Int-area] Fwd: Deadline in 2 weeks: IAB Workshop on Stack Evolution in a Middlebox Internet (SEMI) Thread-Index: AQHP6f7Y1liQCAzW4ESzBtRkPOnMRpw0cvzw Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:00:56 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E1AF0A@dfweml701-chm> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.192.11.166] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_003_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E1AF0Adfweml701chm_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/fqJnRm0r7zmwCXqKPH6EItwj734 Subject: [I2nsf] FW: [Int-area] Fwd: Deadline in 2 weeks: IAB Workshop on Stack Evolution in a Middlebox Internet (SEMI) X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:01:06 -0000 --_003_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E1AF0Adfweml701chm_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, An IAB workshop that may be of interest to you... Regards, Linda ---------------------------------------------------------------------- IAB Workshop on Stack Evolution in a Middlebox Internet (SEMI) 26-27 January 2015 - ETH Z=FCrich, Switzerland The Internet's transport layer has ossified, squeezed between narrow interf= aces (from BSD sockets to pseudo-transport over HTTPS) and increasing in-ne= twork modification of traffic by middleboxes that make assumptions about th= e protocols running through them. This ossification makes it difficult to i= nnovate in the transport layer, through the deployment of new protocols or = the extension of existing ones. At the same time, emerging applications req= uire functionality that existing protocols can provide only inefficiently, = if at all. To begin to address this problem, the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), wi= thin the scope of its IP Stack Evolution Program, is organizing a workshop = to discuss approaches to de-ossifying transport, especially with respect to= interactions with middleboxes and new methods for implementing transport p= rotocols. Recognizing that the end-to-end principle has long been compromis= ed, we start with the fundamental question of matching paths through the In= ternet with certain characteristics to application and transport requiremen= ts. Which paths through the Internet are actually available to applications= ? Which transports can be used over these paths? How can applications coope= rate with network elements to improve path establishment and discovery? Can= common transport functionality and standardization help application develo= pers to implement and deploy such approaches in today's Internet? Could cooperative approaches give us a way to rebalance the Internet back t= oward its end-to-end roots? Topics For this workshop we would like to consider topics that speak to these ques= tions, including the following: - Development and deployment of transport-like features in application- layer protocols - Methods for discovery of path characteristics and protocol availability along a path - Methods for middlebox detection and characterization of middlebox behavior and functionality - Methods for NAT and middlebox traversal in the establishment of end- to-end paths - Mechanisms for cooperative path-endpoint signaling, and lessons learned from existing approaches - Economic considerations and incentives for cooperation in middlebox deployment We will explicitly focus on approaches that are incrementally deployable wi= thin the present Internet. The outcome of the workshop will be architectural and engineering guidance = on future work in the area, published as an IAB workshop report, based on d= iscussion of proposed approaches; future work will be pursued within the IA= B Stack Evolution Program. We will also explore possible areas for standard= ization, e.g. new protocols that separate signaling to and from on-path dev= ices and common transport semantics from the rest of the transport protocol= ; and for general guidance, e.g. how transports as well as middleboxes can be designed and deployed to achie= ve these goals. Submission Instructions Attendance at the workshop is by invitation. Prospective participants are i= nvited to submit short position papers outlining their views on one or more= topics related to the scope of the workshop. Position papers will be publi= shed on the IAB website at: http://www.iab.org/activities/workshops/semi/. Submissions accepted at: https://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=3Dsemi2015 Submission Deadline: 31 October 2014 Notification Deadline: 17 November 2014 Workshop Dates: 26-27 January 2015 Sponsored by the Internet Architecture Board, the Internet Society, and ETH= Z=FCrich. 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Regards, Will (Shucheng LIU) > -----Original Message----- > From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:01 AM > To: I2NSF@ietf.org > Subject: [I2nsf] FW: [Int-area] Fwd: Deadline in 2 weeks: IAB Workshop on > Stack Evolution in a Middlebox Internet (SEMI) >=20 >=20 > All, > An IAB workshop that may be of interest to you... >=20 > Regards, > Linda >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > IAB Workshop on Stack Evolution in a Middlebox Internet (SEMI) > 26-27 January 2015 - ETH Z=FCrich, Switzerland >=20 > The Internet's transport layer has ossified, squeezed between narrow > interfaces (from BSD sockets to pseudo-transport over HTTPS) and increasi= ng > in-network modification of traffic by middleboxes that make assumptions > about the protocols running through them. This ossification makes it diff= icult > to innovate in the transport layer, through the deployment of new protoco= ls > or the extension of existing ones. At the same time, emerging application= s > require functionality that existing protocols can provide only inefficien= tly, if > at all. >=20 > To begin to address this problem, the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), > within the scope of its IP Stack Evolution Program, is organizing a works= hop > to discuss approaches to de-ossifying transport, especially with respect = to > interactions with middleboxes and new methods for implementing transport > protocols. Recognizing that the end-to-end principle has long been > compromised, we start with the fundamental question of matching paths > through the Internet with certain characteristics to application and tran= sport > requirements. Which paths through the Internet are actually available to > applications? Which transports can be used over these paths? How can > applications cooperate with network elements to improve path > establishment and discovery? Can common transport functionality and > standardization help application developers to implement and deploy such > approaches in today's Internet? > Could cooperative approaches give us a way to rebalance the Internet back > toward its end-to-end roots? >=20 > Topics >=20 > For this workshop we would like to consider topics that speak to these > questions, including the following: >=20 > - Development and deployment of transport-like features in application- > layer protocols > - Methods for discovery of path characteristics and protocol > availability along a path > - Methods for middlebox detection and characterization of middlebox > behavior and functionality > - Methods for NAT and middlebox traversal in the establishment of end- > to-end paths > - Mechanisms for cooperative path-endpoint signaling, and lessons > learned from existing approaches > - Economic considerations and incentives for cooperation in middlebox > deployment >=20 > We will explicitly focus on approaches that are incrementally deployable > within the present Internet. >=20 > The outcome of the workshop will be architectural and engineering guidanc= e > on future work in the area, published as an IAB workshop report, based on > discussion of proposed approaches; future work will be pursued within the > IAB Stack Evolution Program. We will also explore possible areas for > standardization, e.g. new protocols that separate signaling to and from > on-path devices and common transport semantics from the rest of the > transport protocol; and for general guidance, e.g. > how transports as well as middleboxes can be designed and deployed to > achieve these goals. >=20 > Submission Instructions >=20 > Attendance at the workshop is by invitation. Prospective participants are > invited to submit short position papers outlining their views on one or m= ore > topics related to the scope of the workshop. Position papers will be > published on the IAB website at: > http://www.iab.org/activities/workshops/semi/. >=20 > Submissions accepted at: > https://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=3Dsemi2015 >=20 > Submission Deadline: 31 October 2014 >=20 > Notification Deadline: 17 November 2014 >=20 > Workshop Dates: 26-27 January 2015 >=20 > Sponsored by the Internet Architecture Board, the Internet Society, and E= TH > Z=FCrich. Mirja K=FChlewind and Brian Trammell, General Chairs. >=20 >=20 From nobody Mon Oct 20 18:47:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E281ACE4A for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:47:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WfXQFaLp-cTq for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x236.google.com (mail-la0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 250E51ACE42 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id gm9so169935lab.27 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:47:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XoX9ltsYyLTZ6SwEb86QVIstCAY5IU3YfrwPj5d/1hw=; b=hnO0faCMi8vu3WcHT7ZjalLLLIpW0IDDbED9TtTKcjGLVwWHM5VAKCMrKXzsehE6Ps ScPBt//uhJ9TF0rW6OKYGVkvZNc6lyUzEbGsty/KpNcWVVvOIdmG0qfxUgXOWbcY+xTY jKJ30wmjADrxi7Z5AfDYrtTVBZsvimetMimMZyhfeqfqfKrywO6N4RxsMbtcmfZW1UDD VGFGMXaMaTskEiobA3L/4Yx4cNpLNfWhcpPgdHCcWl0JYucj+6HZW49l08bo4zE9CrvB GQXALt5+XK3FV6JdDr69OFgpaGC/UdHE7mh/fXixsoLXOOsJQXYnm02JcsAjfLXu9Jb3 k3WQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.203.231 with SMTP id kt7mr12712568lac.84.1413856029285; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.95.36 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 21:47:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: Kathleen Moriarty To: I2nsf@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11346ac663a0590505e502b5 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/NcTWDoREnCKswg6VkHJRdrDLd_s Subject: [I2nsf] BoF chairs X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 01:47:12 -0000 --001a11346ac663a0590505e502b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello, Dan Romascanu and Joe Salowey will be chairing the I2NSF BoF. They will be following up to help organize the BoF, working with Linda and each of you to help this effort progress successfully. As an FYI, BoF chairs are not necessarily working group chairs. Dan and Joe will be helping to shape the charter and scope of this effort so that a working group may be possible. The BoF in Hawaii will not be a working group forming BoF, so there is still time to help shape this effort. Thanks in advance! -- Best regards, Kathleen --001a11346ac663a0590505e502b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

Dan Romas= canu and Joe Salowey will be chairing the I2NSF BoF.=C2=A0 They will be fol= lowing up to help organize the BoF, working with Linda and each of you to h= elp this effort progress successfully.
=
As an FYI, BoF chairs are n= ot necessarily working group chairs.=C2=A0 Dan and Joe will be helping to s= hape the charter and scope of this effort so that a working group may be po= ssible.=C2=A0 The BoF in Hawaii will not be a working group forming BoF, so= there is still time to help shape this effort.

Thanks in= advance!

--

Best regards,
Kathleen
--001a11346ac663a0590505e502b5-- From nobody Tue Oct 21 12:06:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05871A885F for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:06:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BTuGSC8jJwMQ for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B82E91A88B8 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BKU27341; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:05:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DFWEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.72) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 20:05:23 +0100 Received: from DFWEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.50]) by dfweml702-chm ([10.193.5.72]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:05:18 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: "I2NSF@ietf.org" , Melinda Shore Thread-Topic: OAuth profiles for outsourced services Thread-Index: Ac/tYfVM7KfcTVUKQoWWaN8UpEryqg== Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:05:18 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E1F0A0@dfweml701-chm> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.154.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E1F0A0dfweml701chm_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/sRAHryDzv5No_Pe7K_jymjNAm6g Subject: [I2nsf] OAuth profiles for outsourced services X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:06:01 -0000 --_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E1F0A0dfweml701chm_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Melinda, You have suggested in the past that "OAuth profiles for outsourced services= " more accurately describes the intent of I2NSF. Can you elaborate at bit more of "OAuth profiles"? Thanks, Linda --_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E1F0A0dfweml701chm_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Melinda,

 

You have suggested in the past that “OAuth pro= files for outsourced services” more accurately describes the intent o= f I2NSF.

 

Can you elaborate at bit more of “OAuth profil= es”?

 

Thanks, Linda

 

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To be clear, I thought it might be one useful work item. Authorizations for third-party security services, that is. Melinda From nobody Wed Oct 22 10:22:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCF61ACE78 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:22:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rFL8XKKq2Vic for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AEB51ACE5F for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:22:33 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhcLAAvnR1SHCzIm/2dsb2JhbABcgkgjIyA0XLhzBpM7HwGHVgKBDBYBAXyEBAEBAxIbRRkBFRVWJgEEGxqIHgGhbIRtn0EMIIYligGCbg9EJIEeBZIEhwqMZI4Vg3iCNIEDAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.04,770,1406606400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="91274783" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast-smtpauth.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.38]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 22 Oct 2014 13:22:31 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC03.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.13]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 22 Oct 2014 13:22:31 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC03.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.13]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 13:22:30 -0400 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "i2nsf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: i2nsf bof agenda - strawman proposal Thread-Index: Ac/uHL43+eUGB1/vRw6qig8xRMWdxw== Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 17:22:30 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8D8882@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.46] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8D8882AZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/m4J4nlzowle_42Mrw9f01fci9vE Subject: [I2nsf] i2nsf bof agenda - strawman proposal X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 17:22:36 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8D8882AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Joe Saloway and me were entitled with the responsibility to chair the I2NSF= BOF at IETF-91. This being defined as a non-WG chartering BOF, the princip= al goals are discussing the scope and use cases, assessing the level of int= erest (measured by contributors and contributions) and discussing these in = order to assess if we can build a workable and focused charter to be submit= ted to the IESG. We discussed with Linda and with our AD and based on their recommendations = and advice we suggest the following strawman proposal agenda for the BOF: 1. Goals of the BOF (chairs) 2. Use Cases: 2.1 - Access Network Use Cases 2.2 - Edge Network Use Cases 2.3 - Data Center Use Cases 3. Collaboration with other industry initiatives: 3.1 - ITU-T SG 17: "Requirements for security services base= d on software-defined networking" 3.2 - Open NFV. 4. Relationship with IETF existing work (SACM, midcom, nsis, pcp, A= NIMA, etc.) 5. Possible charter of a future WG 6. Next Steps At this point we would like to know: - Is the agenda right? Are there other contributions or proposals? - Who volunteers to take ownership for the agenda items (the ones = listed and the ones to be added) Monday 10/27 is also the cut-off date for I-D submissions before IETF-91. I= t would be good to have I-Ds submitted for the use cases. Right now the pri= ncipal reading material is draft-dumbar-i2nsf-problem-statement-01.txt Thanks and Regards, Dan --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8D8882AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

Joe Saloway and me were entitled with the responsibi= lity to chair the I2NSF BOF at IETF-91. This being defined as a non-WG char= tering BOF, the principal goals are discussing the scope and use cases, ass= essing the level of interest (measured by contributors and contributions) and discussing these in order to assess= if we can build a workable and focused charter to be submitted to the IESG= .

 

We discussed with Linda and with our AD and based on= their recommendations and advice we suggest the following strawman proposa= l agenda for the BOF:

 

1.       Goals of the BOF (chairs)<= o:p>

2.       Use Cases:

2.1 - Access Network= Use Cases

        &= nbsp;       2.2 - Edge Network Use Cases=

        &= nbsp;       2.3 - Data Center Use Cases<= /o:p>

       3. Collabora= tion with other industry initiatives:

        &= nbsp;       3.1 - ITU-T SG 17: "Requirem= ents for security services based on software-defined networking"<= /o:p>

        &= nbsp;       3.2 - Open NFV.

        4= . Relationship with IETF existing work (SACM, midcom, nsis, pcp, ANIMA, etc= .)

        5. Pos= sible charter of a future WG

        6. Nex= t Steps

 

 

At this point we would like to know: <= /p>

-       = ;   Is the agenda right? Are t= here other contributions or proposals?

-       = ;   Who volunteers to take own= ership for the agenda items (the ones listed and the ones to be added)=

 

Monday 10/27 is also the cut-off date for I-D sub= missions before IETF-91. It would be good to have I-Ds submitted for the us= e cases. Right now the principal reading material is draft-dumbar-i2nsf-pro= blem-statement-01.txt

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Dan

 

 

 

        &= nbsp;      

 

 

 

--_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8D8882AZFFEXMB04globa_-- From nobody Thu Oct 23 10:26:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293171AC417; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:26:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oiRnPOVrsw5Z; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C95561A923E; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BNZ07435; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 17:26:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DFWEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.130) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:26:23 +0100 Received: from DFWEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.50]) by dfweml703-chm ([10.193.5.130]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:26:21 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: "anima@ietf.org" , "I2NSF@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: What elements of IETF ANIMA can be used for I2NSF? Thread-Index: Ac/u5nVGFVq3RoYVRr23r+guaxcJZQ== Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 17:26:20 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074F@dfweml701-chm> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.192.11.180] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074Fdfweml701chm_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/LYIN773gbw7wo9SiKLCTZNuCy2Y Subject: [I2nsf] What elements of IETF ANIMA can be used for I2NSF? X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 17:26:29 -0000 --_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074Fdfweml701chm_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I2NSF is to develop application /user oriented policies (the attributes, t= he profiles, or the descriptors ) of the network security functions that cl= ients can request/query from 3rd party providers. ANIMA (Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach) introduces a con= trol paradigm where network processes, driven by objectives (or intent), co= ordinate their local decisions, autonomically translate them into local act= ions, and adapt them automatically according to various sources of informat= ion including external information and protocol information bases. ANIMA will develop protocols to achieve auto discovery among management sys= tem and devices. The listed drafts proposed the "The Configuration Discover= y and Negotiation protocol designed to be a generic platform, which is inde= pendent from the negotiation contents." There is also the Security aspects = being discussed in the ANIMA drafts (like secure messages, or keys, among t= he parties (to be discovered). Are there some elements developed by ANIMA that can be used by I2NSF? Linda --_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074Fdfweml701chm_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I2NSF is to develop= application /user oriented policies (the attributes,  the profiles, o= r the descriptors ) of the network security functions that clients can requ= est/query from 3rd party  providers.

 

ANIMA (Autonomic Ne= tworking Integrated Model and Approach) introduces a control paradigm where= network processes, driven by objectives (or intent), coordinate their loca= l decisions, autonomically translate them into local actions, and adapt them automatically according to various= sources of information including external information and protocol informa= tion bases.

 

ANIMA will develop = protocols to achieve auto discovery among management system and devices. Th= e listed drafts proposed the “The Configuration Discovery and Negotiation protocol designed to be a generic platform,= which is independent from the negotiation contents.”= ; There is also the Security aspect= s being discussed in the ANIMA drafts (like secure messages, or keys, among= the parties (to be discovered).

 

 

Are there some elem= ents developed by ANIMA that can be used by I2NSF?

 

Linda

 

 

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[111.69.200.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s9sm2190718pdp.1.2014.10.23.12.33.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <54495813.4050703@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:33:39 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Dunbar References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074F@dfweml701-chm> In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074F@dfweml701-chm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/l2Bm80AN_uj4Wn44V8kKc3DlCa8 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:38:57 -0700 Cc: "I2NSF@ietf.org" , "anima@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [I2nsf] [Anima] What elements of IETF ANIMA can be used for I2NSF? X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:33:34 -0000 Linda, > Are there some elements developed by ANIMA that can be used by I2NSF? I think the short answer is that it's too soon to answer that question. The long answer is that I suppose I2NSF would need to identify how it could be described as a use case for autonomic networking (rather than as a top-down management use case). For example could the autonomic discovery mechanism be used to find the I2NSF provider, even if a specific mechanism was used to download the security policy itself? One issue is the trust boundary. We assume that participants in an autonomic network have a common trust anchor. How can we trust a "3rd party" provider? Brian On 24/10/2014 06:26, Linda Dunbar wrote: > I2NSF is to develop application /user oriented policies (the attributes, the profiles, or the descriptors ) of the network security functions that clients can request/query from 3rd party providers. > > ANIMA (Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach) introduces a control paradigm where network processes, driven by objectives (or intent), coordinate their local decisions, autonomically translate them into local actions, and adapt them automatically according to various sources of information including external information and protocol information bases. > > ANIMA will develop protocols to achieve auto discovery among management system and devices. The listed drafts proposed the "The Configuration Discovery and Negotiation protocol designed to be a generic platform, which is independent from the negotiation contents." There is also the Security aspects being discussed in the ANIMA drafts (like secure messages, or keys, among the parties (to be discovered). > > > Are there some elements developed by ANIMA that can be used by I2NSF? > > Linda > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Anima mailing list > Anima@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima From nobody Thu Oct 23 18:45:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09421AD6E5 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:45:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tNYsEyMXZfQ7 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD07E1AD6D2 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BNZ29612; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 01:45:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml407-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.38) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 02:45:32 +0100 Received: from NKGEML507-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.6.104]) by nkgeml407-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.38]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:45:26 +0800 From: "Zhangdacheng (Dacheng)" To: "I2NSF@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Gaps between PCP and I2NSF Thread-Index: AQHP7ywuNu3R1WVYpUOcoUz4SZZ5NQ== Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 01:45:26 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074F@dfweml701-chm> <54495813.4050703@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <54495813.4050703@gmail.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.98.139] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/i2hrKdwbWMZnOODBUdHX_yEuCqo Subject: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 01:45:41 -0000 The email from Melinda : http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/nsaas/current= /msg00001.html stated that PCP is relevant to I2NSF.=20 I used to join the security work in PCP and would like to provide some info= rmation about it. =20 The Port Control Protocol (PCP) enables an IPv4 or IPv6 host to flexibly ma= nage the IP address and port mapping information on Network Address Transla= tors (NATs) or firewalls, to facilitate communication with remote hosts. However, compared with I2NSF, PCP only tries to address a single problem--t= he management of port and address information. Cheers Dacheng From nobody Thu Oct 23 19:05:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC941AD8F3 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:05:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i08o50vhIpsc for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x235.google.com (mail-pa0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 512161AD8F2 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id kx10so194178pab.40 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:05:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XaLZ1OtzvyByB5pUTZWYOWZgLpnwx5en9s9QqaPH928=; b=x+EP3RKoJt6ICb0PUHIYL4kunHEPxJu0t4sJyIUio0mTpXmwUGy87F/dzJoYYFCDHn hjqCN/5dw+Uru6m2n3BuX3lO0CJc7VVyI5FHeFxWGDCmAwdpMIBwZJiwhVGefH/Be/Mu 2fBrcp/f4lPX5Jxl15omecR6PPiUj9++/0qN4jgG8EuYU5CRJbyMWD+DCSeSFwT4j9H7 m/PFrMvtF/Cn2zyxbUrq8+/BDFlx/RoN8n77aEvgz6ILrinN69X1LFwkuRBbqkrBA2F3 OHRsxCzLtrYN/qltE6pIFS2lSJw0VIpTHnAurZf+gX+/biMGlzVfVu43OvcjosUp8jbN ks6A== X-Received: by 10.66.244.233 with SMTP id xj9mr1394221pac.67.1414116330938; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spandex.local (69-161-7-147-rb2.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net. [69.161.7.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ll4sm2633725pab.25.2014.10.23.19.05.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5449B3E8.6090106@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:05:28 -0800 From: Melinda Shore User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: i2nsf@ietf.org References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074F@dfweml701-chm> <54495813.4050703@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/HJo27TfGhHKf7zQDdM8t6H3DfBY Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 02:05:33 -0000 On 10/23/14 5:45 PM, Zhangdacheng (Dacheng) wrote: > However, compared with I2NSF, PCP only tries to address a single > problem--the management of port and address information. Yes, because that's how the IETF specifies on-the-wire protocols. There are a number of existing IETF protocols that communicate filtering and other policies to security and other devices. Some of those protocols are management-y and some of them are transport-y and some are internet-y. It seems pretty ridiculous to me to try to do a "gap analysis" when there aren't any requirements. The participating devices haven't been identified, the deployment hasn't been described, and the policy under discussion is extremely high-level. At any rate it is impossible to do a gap analysis without requirements, and those don't exist here. Melinda From nobody Fri Oct 24 08:18:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492E21A036D for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:18:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d2G0GiUNJ0no for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACD081A1A5B for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BNZ95587; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:16:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DFWEML705-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.142) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:16:54 +0100 Received: from DFWEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.50]) by dfweml705-chm ([10.193.5.142]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:16:48 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: Melinda Shore , "i2nsf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF Thread-Index: AQHP7y5Maov8LVaTH0ydPbC96/R1w5w+9PIAgABnnZA= Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:16:47 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E22D33@dfweml701-chm> References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074F@dfweml701-chm> <54495813.4050703@gmail.com> <5449B3E8.6090106@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5449B3E8.6090106@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.155.24] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/vpwx-JdJhmz6v2Uh8VopRqndzAg Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:18:11 -0000 Melinda,=20 Is it better to call it "Relevant Existing work study"?=20 Linda -----Original Message----- From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Shore Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:05 PM To: i2nsf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF On 10/23/14 5:45 PM, Zhangdacheng (Dacheng) wrote: > However, compared with I2NSF, PCP only tries to address a single=20 > problem--the management of port and address information. Yes, because that's how the IETF specifies on-the-wire protocols. There are a number of existing IETF protocols that communicate filtering an= d other policies to security and other devices. Some of those protocols are management-y and some of them are transport-y a= nd some are internet-y. It seems pretty ridiculous to me to try to do a "gap analysis" when there aren't any requirements. The participating devices haven't been= identified, the deployment hasn't been described, and the policy under dis= cussion is extremely high-level. At any rate it is impossible to do a gap analysis without requirements, and= those don't exist here. Melinda _______________________________________________ I2nsf mailing list I2nsf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf From nobody Fri Oct 24 10:09:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BF51A87B3 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rcb3sC7bHdeu for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x229.google.com (mail-pd0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59C5E1A8852 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f169.google.com with SMTP id w10so1787409pde.28 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:05:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=d13IdEcYr5gW2x8Iu+CsHJNx8yE2/0TverqJF/Vm06U=; b=svg04OsP9V9bcwesTUbtSyIKn85zvTV4hnOwHol2v2ltCKoHS8JF9rQOgak0jnr3XO ep0KBU2SlwuYBumeifWPoCVLGaBO+swoSAr97ydZgmJuw0/Ct4SK/ugSh6aJSBtm7BLM EFmgEMlFa7ZdhOhAlqLiT2Tplz7X6NQZ2xTKRj+v8ZHJUP+U0zR4qPUpswGQMucTGo14 nK3k6/5l3tzaIQUC2dKygWklFXFc20ZLDAM/zXNfTt96wC5eapulSg1W9ohiiGK+EFgq 8hBf6EV1FoCZ8lCowERjH79v6PKr9XPIqeffk3mO6oRD6CFml4ARENGKbTaMEaurZumX hZmg== X-Received: by 10.66.191.165 with SMTP id gz5mr5769827pac.75.1414170340994; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spandex.local (69-161-7-147-rb2.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net. [69.161.7.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fv4sm4313630pbd.47.2014.10.24.10.05.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <544A86E2.4040401@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:05:38 -0800 From: Melinda Shore User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Dunbar , "i2nsf@ietf.org" References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074F@dfweml701-chm> <54495813.4050703@gmail.com> <5449B3E8.6090106@gmail.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E22D33@dfweml701-chm> In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E22D33@dfweml701-chm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/ZTiOkuAE57biz3zErCNu5Hq-2QE Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 17:09:31 -0000 On 10/24/14 7:16 AM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > Is it better to call it "Relevant Existing work study"? What problem are you trying to solve by writing this document? Melinda From nobody Fri Oct 24 12:18:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C921A037E for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:18:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g-J04buSpLNV for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 986151A02F1 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BKX29363; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:18:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DFWEML706-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.225) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:18:18 +0100 Received: from DFWEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.50]) by dfweml706-chm ([10.193.5.225]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:18:17 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: Melinda Shore , "i2nsf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF Thread-Index: AQHP7y5Maov8LVaTH0ydPbC96/R1w5w+9PIAgABnnZCAAJPkAP//r3cQ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:18:16 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E232D5@dfweml701-chm> References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074F@dfweml701-chm> <54495813.4050703@gmail.com> <5449B3E8.6090106@gmail.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E22D33@dfweml701-chm> <544A86E2.4040401@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <544A86E2.4040401@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.155.24] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/XNJ79GApFGqIEe3UKOBvL4spsYM Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:18:22 -0000 Melinda,=20 The work is for the 4th item on the agenda sent out from Dan: 4. Relationship with IETF existing work (SACM, midcom, nsis, pcp, A= NIMA, etc.) Linda -----Original Message----- From: Melinda Shore [mailto:melinda.shore@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 12:06 PM To: Linda Dunbar; i2nsf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF On 10/24/14 7:16 AM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > Is it better to call it "Relevant Existing work study"?=20 What problem are you trying to solve by writing this document? Melinda From nobody Fri Oct 24 12:27:44 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC471A6F97 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:27:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5nLauVwSdJ-4 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-f47.google.com (mail-qa0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CE9C1A1AB2 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id dc16so1415578qab.20 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Xx1803C8PiDws9VQrqzHQMB3q2B+JWq9PdRaan1LuSE=; b=IYwTOEQcN+mb9hu8NCCzx1ZqK8+qenef25IqQKWbCy9AxRYNJ5fs7tJYCBDyz898vi j5IZOh0wMbyqeLok+y4aGlXeQcrPNCfuMXjEM410d2LKY1uBEOsnUjPkBJ6Z+j96CWQZ DJF8AEkHIy5qB1SyS4ojMMJw3oE8wB+SVXbvt95R3fz12Kxq4AJlkx/j7UpKc0rJ+XUQ ZXkaLe8uDHKmAKFoQv1S5oXSOBnHB+/8KVNTr0uGxBdBqyT7M+EMr6phKW8Hy067irHN RGD/pfkinQg3HlmEGzDwDo3vm4saAgF1qCzqQ3PD2iKz9/oatDbV7aG0GbbrpNG/4HVR Ytag== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQltX+zEoD6Yx+t+2byQpejUTRnapMzvsFsJBsTm1ullW3TovIvaITlrkJSABBHnDvhm1f7x MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.13.2 with SMTP id z2mr9306793qaz.18.1414178860591; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.166.35 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [67.168.161.122] In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E232D5@dfweml701-chm> References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074F@dfweml701-chm> <54495813.4050703@gmail.com> <5449B3E8.6090106@gmail.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E22D33@dfweml701-chm> <544A86E2.4040401@gmail.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E232D5@dfweml701-chm> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:27:40 -0700 Message-ID: From: Joseph Salowey To: Linda Dunbar Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0115ef4ca28d280506302cdc Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/3pUm6F8O23HrFqHbB_-GYih-JWQ Cc: "i2nsf@ietf.org" , Melinda Shore Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:27:43 -0000 --089e0115ef4ca28d280506302cdc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I expect that the use cases we discuss will involve areas where the IETF has done some work already or has work in progress. This work may be directly related to i2nsf or it may be tangential, however, it would be useful to know how the use cases and proposed items could interact with the existing work. Cheers, Joe On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > Melinda, > > The work is for the 4th item on the agenda sent out from Dan: > > > 4. Relationship with IETF existing work (SACM, midcom, nsis, pcp, > ANIMA, etc.) > > Linda > > -----Original Message----- > From: Melinda Shore [mailto:melinda.shore@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 12:06 PM > To: Linda Dunbar; i2nsf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF > > On 10/24/14 7:16 AM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > > Is it better to call it "Relevant Existing work study"? > > What problem are you trying to solve by writing this document? > > Melinda > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > --089e0115ef4ca28d280506302cdc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I expect that the use cases we discuss will involve areas = where the IETF has done some work already or has work in progress.=C2=A0 Th= is work may be directly related to i2nsf or it may be tangential, however, = it would be useful to know how the use cases and proposed items could inter= act with the existing work. =C2=A0=C2=A0

Cheers,

Joe

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Linda Dunbar <l= inda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:
Melinda,

The work is for the 4th item on the agenda sent out from Dan:


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4. Relationship with IETF existing work (SACM, = midcom, nsis, pcp, ANIMA, etc.)

Linda

-----Original Message-----
From: Melinda Shore [mailto:meli= nda.shore@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 12:06 PM
To: Linda Dunbar; i2nsf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF

On 10/24/14 7:16 AM, Linda D= unbar wrote:
> Is it better to call it "Relevant Existing work study"?

What problem are you trying to solve by writing this document?

Melinda


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--089e0115ef4ca28d280506302cdc-- From nobody Fri Oct 24 12:34:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9E11A1AEE for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:34:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KCMM3B2Zd1h2 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rozanak.com (mail.rozanak.com [IPv6:2a01:238:42ad:1500:aa19:4238:e48f:61cf]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BF271A86F0 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rozanak.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AEB25CA0CA; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:34:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rozanak.com Received: from mail.rozanak.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.iknowlaws.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id keQ96ZGSbyRZ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 21:33:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kopoli (p5B343B30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.52.59.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rozanak.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED67A25CA0C9; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 21:33:30 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hosnieh Rafiee" To: "'Melinda Shore'" References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074F@dfweml701-chm> <54495813.4050703@gmail.com> <5449B3E8.6090106@gmail.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E22D33@dfweml701-chm> <544A86E2.4040401@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <544A86E2.4040401@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 21:33:26 +0200 Message-ID: <010201cfefc1$62c5f1e0$2851d5a0$@rozanak.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQInC1FS59dCErhsR1q8W4MeGPtV2QLjszjmAQVOXEcBYIgoSAF5F3hjAjI34dibScPxkA== Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/LVlyGLRotWY79Js0sZCQalKUxfo Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:34:04 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Shore > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 7:06 PM > To: Linda Dunbar; i2nsf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF > > On 10/24/14 7:16 AM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > > Is it better to call it "Relevant Existing work study"? > > What problem are you trying to solve by writing this document? > Sorry that I jump into this threat. I guess this is helpful for: 1- Understanding the scope of different groups to avoid any conflict scopes 2- possibility to re-use the work item of one of groups and build the work item of this group based on some of their works Best, Hosnieh From nobody Fri Oct 24 12:36:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AEE1A8824 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:36:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nT_u1KwFWhj2 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rozanak.com (mail.rozanak.com [IPv6:2a01:238:42ad:1500:aa19:4238:e48f:61cf]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F0431A8701 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rozanak.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A822A25CA0CA; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:36:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rozanak.com Received: from mail.rozanak.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.iknowlaws.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wq7K1Z19iEN4; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 21:35:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kopoli (p5B343B30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.52.59.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rozanak.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 076B125CA0C9; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 21:35:48 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hosnieh Rafiee" To: "'Melinda Shore'" References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074F@dfweml701-chm> <54495813.4050703@gmail.com> <5449B3E8.6090106@gmail.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E22D33@dfweml701-chm> <544A86E2.4040401@gmail.com> <010201cfefc1$62c5f1e0$2851d5a0$@rozanak.com> In-Reply-To: <010201cfefc1$62c5f1e0$2851d5a0$@rozanak.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 21:35:45 +0200 Message-ID: <010401cfefc1$b50fec80$1f2fc580$@rozanak.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQInC1FS59dCErhsR1q8W4MeGPtV2QLjszjmAQVOXEcBYIgoSAF5F3hjAjI34dgCHh2HOZs41PbQ Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/pqiUn-zxJ_CCGCPOTxE1Fo4jYBU Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:36:20 -0000 Threat = thread... :-/ From nobody Fri Oct 24 12:45:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F781A90E6 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:45:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ad5_fnVor19a for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x234.google.com (mail-pd0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C0D21A90CB for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f180.google.com with SMTP id ft15so56393pdb.25 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:45:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Hi4p4joj4fn8my/WivWtwJH+AcsGy7SGD3VmBoramas=; b=bsPreDoMyGO8Mm68+H8HGBKE4ebGYGQkGmwxvduwhTzAhNSSb/rxlOZQrXHGju+73H 9RIagsHVKlg1QDip2ZR4G2MXK5QKfNi1i71aIVe2N/Cv2ZLpcSIyhX0xI26vA036BXbn wG+jC/eA2Ua4EscB58ayylBRrCsso729L9jo7f1mPnwSD+hSCyr/OmhrMCSqsoGonShd 9Bvp/xHd2IwiWxnogcjaEiwmU5cKgUSFRWFkAt1K5BUGGZf7bheNqho9oBqrA1FJu4dL YiOsz0LEXSDW4qiWUqZ2db9VS2eZ4/s6x0B92pEheNySCgMOt9l98f4D899Te5QQ1m9B 03wQ== X-Received: by 10.70.33.73 with SMTP id p9mr6641652pdi.103.1414179910770; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spandex.local (69-161-7-147-rb2.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net. [69.161.7.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id db7sm4552752pdb.27.2014.10.24.12.45.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <544AAC44.2030706@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:45:08 -0800 From: Melinda Shore User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hosnieh Rafiee References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074F@dfweml701-chm> <54495813.4050703@gmail.com> <5449B3E8.6090106@gmail.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E22D33@dfweml701-chm> <544A86E2.4040401@gmail.com> <010201cfefc1$62c5f1e0$2851d5a0$@rozanak.com> In-Reply-To: <010201cfefc1$62c5f1e0$2851d5a0$@rozanak.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/f35Jm9CvHTP4WiBwf5DAqMhShAA Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:45:31 -0000 On 10/24/14 11:33 AM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: > Sorry that I jump into this threat. I guess this is helpful for: > 1- Understanding the scope of different groups to avoid any conflict scopes > 2- possibility to re-use the work item of one of groups and build the work > item of this group based on some of their works That, of course, makes a lot of sense once a problem has been identified that needs to be solved. That's not the case here, yet. I've been trying to get a handle on why it's taking so long to get so much work through the IETF, and I think we're seeing some of the reasons reflected here, in this group. There's no clear, tightly- scoped agreed-upon problem, as nearly as I can tell. This is, in very large part, why I think a BOF is terribly premature. I'm going to miss the BOF this time because I'm leaving early, but my guess is that much time is going to spent trying to figure out what to work on. My personal bias is that that sort of question needs to be resolved before publishing drafts, before requesting a BOF, and so on. As much as I enjoy fishing, I do not like standards fishing expeditions at all. Melinda From nobody Fri Oct 24 13:09:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66DB1A0248 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:02:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AyjBOm7fqXwm for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DCA1A013B for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:01:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)'" , References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8D8882@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8D8882@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:01:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01cfefc5$58d2a7b0$0a77f710$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CFEFA3.D1C3EDE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFsAFrnMa+vk+e+4PfBoDFD1SInFp0HhbtA Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/EN_qw-zH5UZ7gHquV510gSu7sZc X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:09:34 -0700 Cc: linda.dunbar@huawei.com Subject: Re: [I2nsf] i2nsf bof agenda - strawman proposal X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:02:01 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CFEFA3.D1C3EDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan: Did you mean the document: draft-dunbar-i2nsf-problem-statement-01.txt I would like to talk about group-based policy (see PCIM (RFC 3060, 3460, 3644) have been adapted I will be releasing by Monday 1) Draft on Policy-Base Routing Info Model (and preliminary yang model) 2) Draft on how the PCIM (Policy Core Information Model) 3) I2rs use case drafts These filters were designed for the i2rs ephemeral work to react quickly to the security threats. This was one reason i2rs was charter. In 5 minutes I can give my info regarding status. I will post a summary to the list next week. Sue From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:23 PM To: i2nsf@ietf.org Subject: [I2nsf] i2nsf bof agenda - strawman proposal Hi, Joe Saloway and me were entitled with the responsibility to chair the I2NSF BOF at IETF-91. This being defined as a non-WG chartering BOF, the principal goals are discussing the scope and use cases, assessing the level of interest (measured by contributors and contributions) and discussing these in order to assess if we can build a workable and focused charter to be submitted to the IESG. We discussed with Linda and with our AD and based on their recommendations and advice we suggest the following strawman proposal agenda for the BOF: 1. Goals of the BOF (chairs) 2. Use Cases: 2.1 - Access Network Use Cases 2.2 - Edge Network Use Cases 2.3 - Data Center Use Cases 3. Collaboration with other industry initiatives: 3.1 - ITU-T SG 17: "Requirements for security services based on software-defined networking" 3.2 - Open NFV. 4. Relationship with IETF existing work (SACM, midcom, nsis, pcp, ANIMA, etc.) 5. Possible charter of a future WG 6. Next Steps At this point we would like to know: - Is the agenda right? Are there other contributions or proposals? - Who volunteers to take ownership for the agenda items (the ones listed and the ones to be added) Monday 10/27 is also the cut-off date for I-D submissions before IETF-91. It would be good to have I-Ds submitted for the use cases. Right now the principal reading material is draft-dumbar-i2nsf-problem-statement-01.txt Thanks and Regards, Dan ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CFEFA3.D1C3EDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dan:

 

Did you mean the = document:

 

draft-dunbar-i2nsf-problem-statement-01.txt<= /o:p>

 

I would like to talk = about group-based policy (see PCIM (RFC 3060, 3460, 3644) have been = adapted

I will be releasing by Monday =

1)      = Draft on = Policy-Base Routing Info Model (and preliminary yang model) =

2)      = Draft on = how the PCIM (Policy Core Information Model)

3)      = I2rs use = case drafts

 

These filters were = designed for the i2rs ephemeral work to react quickly to the security = threats.  This was one reason i2rs was charter. =

In 5  minutes I can give my info regarding = status.  I will post a summary to the list next week. =  

 

Sue =

 

From:= = I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan = (Dan)
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:23 PM
To: = i2nsf@ietf.org
Subject: [I2nsf] i2nsf bof agenda - strawman = proposal

 

Hi,

 

Joe Saloway = and me were entitled with the responsibility to chair the I2NSF BOF at = IETF-91. This being defined as a non-WG chartering BOF, the principal = goals are discussing the scope and use cases, assessing the level of = interest (measured by contributors and contributions) and discussing = these in order to assess if we can build a workable and focused charter = to be submitted to the IESG.

 

We discussed = with Linda and with our AD and based on their recommendations and advice = we suggest the following strawman proposal agenda for the BOF: =

 

1.       = Goals of the BOF (chairs)

2.       Use = Cases:

2.1 - Access Network Use Cases =

        &nbs= p;       2.2 - Edge Network Use = Cases

        &nbs= p;       2.3 - Data Center Use = Cases

       3. = Collaboration with other industry initiatives:

        &nbs= p;       3.1 - ITU-T SG 17: = "Requirements for security services based on software-defined = networking"

        &nbs= p;       3.2 - Open NFV.

        4. = Relationship with IETF existing work (SACM, midcom, nsis, pcp, ANIMA, = etc.)

        5. = Possible charter of a future WG

        6. Next = Steps

 

 

At = this point we would like to know:

-          = Is the agenda right? Are there other = contributions or proposals?

-          = Who volunteers to take ownership for the agenda = items (the ones listed and the ones to be added)

 

Monday = 10/27 is also the cut-off date for I-D submissions before IETF-91. It = would be good to have I-Ds submitted for the use cases. Right now the = principal reading material is = draft-dumbar-i2nsf-problem-statement-01.txt

 

Thanks = and Regards,

 

Dan

 

 

 

        &nbs= p;      

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CFEFA3.D1C3EDE0-- From nobody Sat Oct 25 08:10:54 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55CE1A00DE for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 08:10:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A3_Pfi3FTeoB for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 08:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5209B1A005C for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 08:10:40 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhELABi9S1TGmAcV/2dsb2JhbABcgkgjI1RYBLlSBps3AoEFFgEBfIQCAQEBAQMSG0UHEAIBCA0BAwQBAQsWBwcyFAkIAgQBDQUIGogfAalFny8BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXhjSKIzEGAYMtgR4FkgeHC4YAg0mDG44Zg3hsgUiBAwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.04,786,1406606400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="78114957" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest-exch.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.21]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 25 Oct 2014 11:10:29 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC01.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.11]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 25 Oct 2014 11:10:28 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC01.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.11]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 17:10:27 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Susan Hares , "i2nsf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [I2nsf] i2nsf bof agenda - strawman proposal Thread-Index: AQFsAFrnMa+vk+e+4PfBoDFD1SInFp0HhbtAgAFEvMA= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:10:26 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8DD9F4@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8D8882@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <000f01cfefc5$58d2a7b0$0a77f710$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <000f01cfefc5$58d2a7b0$0a77f710$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.45] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8DD9F4AZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/uvbzPHTe8TFUBzEcFR-qaN29xpw Cc: "linda.dunbar@huawei.com" Subject: Re: [I2nsf] i2nsf bof agenda - strawman proposal X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:10:51 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8DD9F4AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Susan! When the I-Ds are submitted, please include their names in the note, so tha= t I can refer to them in the agenda. Sorry for the mis-typing. Regards, Dan From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 11:02 PM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); i2nsf@ietf.org Cc: linda.dunbar@huawei.com Subject: RE: [I2nsf] i2nsf bof agenda - strawman proposal Dan: Did you mean the document: draft-dunbar-i2nsf-problem-statement-01.txt I would like to talk about group-based policy (see PCIM (RFC 3060, 3460, 36= 44) have been adapted I will be releasing by Monday 1) Draft on Policy-Base Routing Info Model (and preliminary yang model= ) 2) Draft on how the PCIM (Policy Core Information Model) 3) I2rs use case drafts These filters were designed for the i2rs ephemeral work to react quickly to= the security threats. This was one reason i2rs was charter. In 5 minutes I can give my info regarding status. I will post a summary t= o the list next week. Sue From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Da= n) Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:23 PM To: i2nsf@ietf.org Subject: [I2nsf] i2nsf bof agenda - strawman proposal Hi, Joe Saloway and me were entitled with the responsibility to chair the I2NSF= BOF at IETF-91. This being defined as a non-WG chartering BOF, the princip= al goals are discussing the scope and use cases, assessing the level of int= erest (measured by contributors and contributions) and discussing these in = order to assess if we can build a workable and focused charter to be submit= ted to the IESG. We discussed with Linda and with our AD and based on their recommendations = and advice we suggest the following strawman proposal agenda for the BOF: 1. Goals of the BOF (chairs) 2. Use Cases: 2.1 - Access Network Use Cases 2.2 - Edge Network Use Cases 2.3 - Data Center Use Cases 3. Collaboration with other industry initiatives: 3.1 - ITU-T SG 17: "Requirements for security services base= d on software-defined networking" 3.2 - Open NFV. 4. Relationship with IETF existing work (SACM, midcom, nsis, pcp, A= NIMA, etc.) 5. Possible charter of a future WG 6. Next Steps At this point we would like to know: - Is the agenda right? Are there other contributions or proposals? - Who volunteers to take ownership for the agenda items (the ones = listed and the ones to be added) Monday 10/27 is also the cut-off date for I-D submissions before IETF-91. I= t would be good to have I-Ds submitted for the use cases. Right now the pri= ncipal reading material is draft-dumbar-i2nsf-problem-statement-01.txt Thanks and Regards, Dan --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8DD9F4AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks, Susan!

 

When the I-Ds are subm= itted, please include their names in the note, so that I can refer to them = in the agenda.

 

Sorry for the mis-typi= ng.

 

Regards,

 

Dan<= /p>

 

 

From: Susan Ha= res [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 11:02 PM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); i2nsf@ietf.org
Cc: linda.dunbar@huawei.com
Subject: RE: [I2nsf] i2nsf bof agenda - strawman proposal=

 

Dan:=

 

Did you mean the docum= ent:

 

draft-dunbar-i2nsf-pro= blem-statement-01.txt

 

I would like to talk a= bout group-based policy (see PCIM (RFC 3060, 3460, 3644) have been adapted<= o:p>

I will be releasing by= Monday

1)&= nbsp;     Draft on Policy-Base Routing Info Model (and preliminary yang mo= del)

2)&= nbsp;     Draft on how the PCIM (Policy Core Information Model)

3)&= nbsp;     I2rs use case drafts

 

These filters were des= igned for the i2rs ephemeral work to react quickly to the security threats.=  This was one reason i2rs was charter.

In 5  minutes I c= an give my info regarding status.  I will post a summary to the list n= ext week.  

 

Sue =

 

From: I2nsf [<= a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:23 PM
To: i2nsf@ietf.org
Subject: [I2nsf] i2nsf bof agenda - strawman proposal

 

Hi,

 

Joe Saloway and me were entitled with the responsibi= lity to chair the I2NSF BOF at IETF-91. This being defined as a non-WG char= tering BOF, the principal goals are discussing the scope and use cases, ass= essing the level of interest (measured by contributors and contributions) and discussing these in order to assess= if we can build a workable and focused charter to be submitted to the IESG= .

 

We discussed with Linda and with our AD and based on= their recommendations and advice we suggest the following strawman proposa= l agenda for the BOF:

 

1.       Goals of the BOF (chairs)<= o:p>

2.       Use Cases:

2.1 - Access Network= Use Cases

        &= nbsp;       2.2 - Edge Network Use Cases=

        &= nbsp;       2.3 - Data Center Use Cases<= /o:p>

       3. Collabora= tion with other industry initiatives:

        &= nbsp;       3.1 - ITU-T SG 17: "Requirem= ents for security services based on software-defined networking"<= /o:p>

        &= nbsp;       3.2 - Open NFV.

        4= . Relationship with IETF existing work (SACM, midcom, nsis, pcp, ANIMA, etc= .)

        5. Pos= sible charter of a future WG

        6. Nex= t Steps

 

 

At this point we would like to know: <= /p>

-       = ;   Is the agenda right? Are t= here other contributions or proposals?

-       = ;   Who volunteers to take own= ership for the agenda items (the ones listed and the ones to be added)=

 

Monday 10/27 is also the cut-off date for I-D sub= missions before IETF-91. It would be good to have I-Ds submitted for the us= e cases. Right now the principal reading material is draft-dumbar-i2nsf-pro= blem-statement-01.txt

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Dan

 

 

 

        &= nbsp;      

 

 

 

--_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8DD9F4AZFFEXMB04globa_-- From nobody Mon Oct 27 08:16:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE481ACDDF for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:14:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RELAY_IS_221=2.222, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f_BHMtPip7-U for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta3.chinamobile.com (cmccmta3.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 077F31ACDFA for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.11]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app12-12012 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2eec544e08250f4-2f542; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:53:57 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2eec544e08250f4-2f542 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from RonpuzzlePC (unknown[10.2.51.42]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr06-12006 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee6544e08249ab-36569; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:53:57 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee6544e08249ab-36569 From: "Minpeng Qi" To: Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:53:57 +0800 Message-ID: <00bc01cff1c3$8b977770$a2c66650$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac/xvG170OM3z8OlTjiTMz7m+ljaKwABCNRQ Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/ZGvyNw5IlVxzwmi4QgwkT6aMQ6c Subject: [I2nsf] FW: New Version Notification for draft-qi-i2nsf-access-network-usecase-00.txt X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:14:52 -0000 Dear All, We have submitted a new draft for access network use case. The link is = as following. It's a very initial draft to discuss related use cases in access = network. Your comments are very useful and valuable to make it clear and = mature. BRs, Minpeng -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org = [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2014=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8827=E6=97=A5 15:54 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Minpeng Qi; Minpeng Qi; Xiaojun Zhuang; = Xiaojun Zhuang =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification for = draft-qi-i2nsf-access-network-usecase-00.txt A new version of I-D, draft-qi-i2nsf-access-network-usecase-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Minpeng Qi and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-qi-i2nsf-access-network-usecase Revision: 00 Title: Integrated Security with Access Network Use Case Document date: 2014-10-24 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 5 URL: = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-qi-i2nsf-access-network-usecase= -00.txt Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-qi-i2nsf-access-network-usecase/ Htmlized: = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-qi-i2nsf-access-network-usecase-00 Abstract: In traditional telecommunication system, operators usually provide general and limited security protection service for users during access (e.g. AKA in 3G/4G network). Now, with the development of network virtualization technology, the physical network device is became a network function software which is running on virtual machine and the network functions can be flexible and elastic. So operators can provide more flexible security function to users through network function. In order to provide more flexible security function, an interface between operator's network and user should be needed. The interface will be used to request/negotiate/allocate/ operate (Virtual) Network Security Functions from operator's network. This draft describes use cases for using the interface in operator's network environment. = =20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Revision: 00
Title: Access Use Cases fo= r an Open OAM Interface to Virtualized Security Services
Document date: 2014-10-25
Group: Individual Submissi= on
Pages: 9
URL:      &nb= sp;     http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pastor-i2nsf-access-us= ecases-00.txt
Status:      =    https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pastor-i2nsf-access-usecases/
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Abstract:
  This document describes th= e use cases for providing network security
  as a service in the access= network environment.  It considers both
  mobile and residential acc= ess.


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The IETF Secretariat From nobody Mon Oct 27 16:25:10 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584851A6FF7 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m8It7wfUnS7L for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rozanak.com (mail.rozanak.com [IPv6:2a01:238:42ad:1500:aa19:4238:e48f:61cf]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F8B91A6FE3 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rozanak.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B265325CA0D9; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 23:24:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rozanak.com Received: from mail.rozanak.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.iknowlaws.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ubcWHGZRtXcl; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:24:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from kopoli (p20030061E93008259D5522698B6FBE94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [IPv6:2003:61:e930:825:9d55:2269:8b6f:be94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rozanak.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D443925CA0D8; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:24:22 +0100 (CET) From: "Hosnieh Rafiee" To: "'Melinda Shore'" References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2074F@dfweml701-chm> <54495813.4050703@gmail.com> <5449B3E8.6090106@gmail.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E22D33@dfweml701-chm> <544A86E2.4040401@gmail.com> <010201cfefc1$62c5f1e0$2851d5a0$@rozanak.com> <544AAC44.2030706@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <544AAC44.2030706@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:24:20 +0100 Message-ID: <007601cff23d$2348bc90$69da35b0$@rozanak.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQInC1FS59dCErhsR1q8W4MeGPtV2QLjszjmAQVOXEcBYIgoSAF5F3hjAjI34dgCHh2HOQJErC2pmyuj5iA= Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/F-lQtF6PpUCx7tczEeuFojnNOoA Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Gaps between PCP and I2NSF X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 23:25:03 -0000 Hi Melinda, Thanks for your message > -----Original Message----- > From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Shore > > That, of course, makes a lot of sense once a problem has been identified that > needs to be solved. That's not the case here, yet. > > I've been trying to get a handle on why it's taking so long to get so much work > through the IETF, and I think we're seeing some of the reasons reflected here, > in this group. There's no clear, tightly- scoped agreed-upon problem, as > nearly as I can tell. This is, in very large part, why I think a BOF is terribly > premature. I'm going to miss the BOF this time because I'm leaving early, but > my guess is that much time is going to spent trying to figure out what to work > on. My personal bias is that that sort of question needs to be resolved before > publishing drafts, before requesting a BOF, and so on. As much as I enjoy > fishing, I do not like standards fishing expeditions at all. > I just followed this non-WG list. I think Linda and others tried to identify the problems in their messages and clarify the scope. BoF is also not necessarily lead to WG but it is more identify the scope of the problem and also might lead to a WG. For doing that, having good information of the current works is helpful. Because it is possible to specify the scope based on one of available solutions. Furthermore, NFV and SDN based work are new technologies and it is necessary to have standards otherwise there is no possibility for offering services from different service providers to end users. Best, Hosnieh From nobody Mon Oct 27 17:42:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3794D1A03D0 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:42:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p4gvv6uRbuKK for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x232.google.com (mail-ie0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E3481A1B5E for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id rl12so5574571iec.37 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:42:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=uN0Z9TcMi/G3EWpuutd2XbDnytg8LW962Ac5Rvl4k+E=; b=Md2vEdyJEHiX764WOZmPN4N0r+QT12pyCJjhY+Pr8yaIifg2z5lQ80V4v1fDWMsCYz oGuA/QsIlgSuKod52N/zQzPyo6R/2yLINpahk1gX3hbaG1z2rtPwehD4DDPZeOYJynkr GltPsxPpDCS4+uFb2y28tpFjoZQ92h5BQknGk2+FbunOD61mNLSYFGROBuALUaz5mGOD G0S+3O007cjBWxAN8KvR70YNTKBXt4mAwRQSOBqcaypKe66QR/MNHNGpAXhuuN4TuuLl 3TxyxP27RNnHCqgM8FPHVAmaJrdyf6LRFXn9xa/wvOnI9+ikniH00az2HAH1vGP0QEK3 wYGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.156.17 with SMTP id f17mr20586076ioe.15.1414456950335; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.133.5 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:42:30 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" To: i2nsf@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1141ba06134baa050670ec86 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/zAmXNREChoKBuBMzS-HP0dIaHCw Cc: Geumhwan David Cho , "Dr. Paik Eun Kyung" , "Dr. JungSoo Park" , "Prof. Hyoungshick Kim" , Jihyeok Seo , "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" Subject: [I2nsf] Request for Comments on New Internet Draft for I2NSF BoF X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:42:35 -0000 --001a1141ba06134baa050670ec86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi all, I submitted a new Internet Draft about "Requirements for Security Services based on Software-Defined Networking". In this draft, we suggest requirements for security services (such as Firewall and DDoS attack mitigation) using SDN. Actually we are standardizing this topic in ITU-T Study Group 17 as a working item in the viewpoint of telco. Also, we want to proceed with this topic in IETF in the viewpoint of protocol implementer. The following is our draft information: Title: Requirements for Security Services based on Software-Defined Networking draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-services-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-services/ Abstract: This document provides requirements for security services based on Software-Defined Networking (SDN) with two representative use cases: (i) centralized firewall system for intra-domain networks and (ii) centralized DDoS-attack mitigation system between inter-domain networks. For the centralized firewall system, this document raises challenging issues in existing firewalls and a use case of centralized firewall system based on SDN. For the centralized DDoS- attack mitigation system, this document also raises challenging issues in existing DDoS-attack mitigation techniques and a use case of centralized DDoS-attack mitigation system based on SDN. I would like to ask you to take a look at our new draft and give me your valuable feedback. In this IETF 91 meeting, I will present this draft and discuss with you for further progress. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul =========================== Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Software / Department of Computer Engineering Sungkyunkwan University Office: +82-31-299-4957 Mobile: +82-10-4758-1765 Fax: +82-31-290-5119 Email: pauljeong@skku.edu, jaehoon.paul@gmail.com CPS Lab Website: http://cpslab.skku.edu Personal Homepage: http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php --001a1141ba06134baa050670ec86 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
I submitted a new Internet Draft ab= out=C2=A0
"Requirements for Security Services based on Softw= are-Defined Networking".

In this draft, we su= ggest requirements for security services=C2=A0
(such as Firewall = and DDoS attack mitigation) using SDN.

Actually we= are standardizing this topic in ITU-T Study Group 17 as a working item
in the viewpoint of telco.
Also, we want to proceed with t= his topic in IETF in the viewpoint of protocol=C2=A0
implementer.=

The following is our draft information:
Title: Requirements for Security Services based on Software-Defined Networ= king
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-se= rvices-00
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatrack= er.ietf.org/doc/draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-services/ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This= document provides requirements for security services based on
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0Software-Defined Networking (SDN) with two representative use = cases:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(i) centralized firewall system for intra-dom= ain networks and (ii)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0centralized DDoS-attack mitiga= tion system between inter-domain
=C2=A0 =C2=A0networks.=C2=A0 For= the centralized firewall system, this document raises
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0challenging issues in existing firewalls and a use case of
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0centralized firewall system based on SDN.=C2=A0 For the centraliz= ed DDoS-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0attack mitigation system, this document als= o raises challenging
=C2=A0 =C2=A0issues in existing DDoS-attack = mitigation techniques and a use case
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of centralized = DDoS-attack mitigation system based on SDN.

I woul= d like to ask you to take a look at our new draft and give me your valuable= feedback.

In this IETF 91 meeting, I will present= this draft and discuss with you=C2=A0
for further progress.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.= D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Software /
Department of Comp= uter Engineering
Sungkyunkwan University
Office: +82-31-299-4957
M= obile: +82-10-4758-1765
Fax: +82-31-290-5119
Email: pauljeong@skku.edu, jaehoon.paul@gmail.com<= br>CPS Lab Website: ht= tp://cpslab.skku.edu
Personal Homepage: http://cpslab.skku.edu/pe= ople-jaehoon-jeong.php
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--_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E25DC9dfweml701chm_-- From nobody Wed Oct 29 11:48:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B400C1A8846 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OHbB23T0gXO7 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E9AD1A883C for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BOE68199; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:48:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DFWEML706-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.225) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:48:30 +0000 Received: from DFWEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.50]) by dfweml706-chm ([10.193.5.225]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:48:19 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: ANTONIO AGUSTIN PASTOR PERALES , DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA , "i2nsf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Questions about "impersonation" security check mentioned in draft-pastor-2insf-access-usecases-00 Thread-Index: Ac/zqOiizoeWLYN5QSqrP4oy2YsxRQ== Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:48:19 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E25F3E@dfweml701-chm> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.144.39] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E25F3Edfweml701chm_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/hdKTg_R5QpjtF6VoogPBhS2uu_w Subject: [I2nsf] Questions about "impersonation" security check mentioned in draft-pastor-2insf-access-usecases-00 X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:48:38 -0000 --_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E25F3Edfweml701chm_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Diego and Antonio, The section 7.3 states that some vNSF can impersonate a customer service to= provide security functions. I would think that the entity that impersonate= a customer service should be different from the security functions that de= tect the "impersonation". Is it? For the NetBIOS mentioned in your draft, do you envision using NetBIOS to a= llow operators to monitor any improper behavior on the equipment (e.g. mon= itor any suspicious traffic in and out of routers/switches, or detect Sno= wden- like behavior on network equipment, etc)? Like all our emails from w= ork computer are monitored by our IT dept. The IT dept can use various to= ols & applications that can be changing all the time to catch the ever chan= ging scenarios. Operators may need this kind of service to monitor their purchased equipmen= t, or business clients may need this service. Linda --_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E25F3Edfweml701chm_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Diego and Antonio,

 

The section 7.3 states that some vNSF can impersonat= e a customer service to provide security functions. I would think that the = entity that impersonate a customer service should be different from the sec= urity functions that detect the “impersonation”. Is it?

 

For the NetBIOS mentioned in your draft, do you envi= sion using NetBIOS to allow operators to monitor any  improper behavio= r on the equipment (e.g. monitor any suspicious traffic in and out of route= rs/switches, or   detect Snowden- like behavior on network equipment, etc)?  Like all our emails from work c= omputer are monitored  by our IT dept. The IT dept can use various &nb= sp;tools & applications that can be changing all the time to catch the = ever changing scenarios.

 

Operators may need this kind of service to monitor t= heir purchased equipment, or business clients may need this service.  =

 

Linda

 

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boundary=001a113ea6fc4465ff05069a1150 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/1piJ72pwOjBXw7BcegpwdpZhjHM Cc: Geumhwan David Cho , "Dr. Paik Eun Kyung" , "i2nsf@ietf.org" , "Dr. JungSoo Park" , "Prof. Hyoungshick Kim" , Jihyeok Seo Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Request for Comments on New Internet Draft for I2NSF BoF X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 01:47:51 -0000 --001a113ea6fc4465ff05069a1150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave, First of all, thanks for your valuable comments and input. I intented that an administered network (e.g., a Google data center network) having the server is defined as a private network. A better term will be used in next draft version. Preventing the leakage of internal traffic into the outside networks is another good use case of SDN-based security services. We will include this as another use case in next draft version. Thanks. Paul 2014. 10. 29. =EC=98=A4=EC=A0=84 12:09=EC=97=90 "Dave Hood" =EB=8B=98=EC=9D=B4 =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1: > For clarification: > > > > The DDOS use case text reads, in part: > > The centralized DDoS-attack mitigation system defends servers against > > DDoS attacks outside private network, that is, from public network. > > > > It is important to understand that the provider is resopnsible to isolate > external traffic from the private network, eg by VxLAN or MPLS > encapsulation. Interfering traffic from outside the private network can > only result from failure of the provider to properly isolate it, so the > appropriate response to detecting external traffic interference into the > private network would be to notify the provider. > > > > Arguably a more interesting use case would be the discovery of leakage of > internal traffic into other networks. More interesting because the severi= ty > of the leakage could be far more severe, but also because it is not clear > how a tenant could monitor for this problem. > > > > Dave > > > > *From:* I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Jaehoon > Paul Jeong > *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 5:43 PM > *To:* i2nsf@ietf.org > *Cc:* Geumhwan David Cho; Dr. Paik Eun Kyung; Dr. JungSoo Park; Prof. > Hyoungshick Kim; Jihyeok Seo; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong > *Subject:* [I2nsf] Request for Comments on New Internet Draft for I2NSF > BoF > > > > Hi all, > > I submitted a new Internet Draft about > > "Requirements for Security Services based on Software-Defined Networking"= . > > > > In this draft, we suggest requirements for security services > > (such as Firewall and DDoS attack mitigation) using SDN. > > > > Actually we are standardizing this topic in ITU-T Study Group 17 as a > working item > > in the viewpoint of telco. > > Also, we want to proceed with this topic in IETF in the viewpoint of > protocol > > implementer. > > > > The following is our draft information: > > Title: Requirements for Security Services based on Software-Defined > Networking > > draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-services-00 > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-services/ > > > > > Abstract: > > This document provides requirements for security services based on > > Software-Defined Networking (SDN) with two representative use cases: > > (i) centralized firewall system for intra-domain networks and (ii) > > centralized DDoS-attack mitigation system between inter-domain > > networks. For the centralized firewall system, this document raises > > challenging issues in existing firewalls and a use case of > > centralized firewall system based on SDN. For the centralized DDoS- > > attack mitigation system, this document also raises challenging > > issues in existing DDoS-attack mitigation techniques and a use case > > of centralized DDoS-attack mitigation system based on SDN. > > > > I would like to ask you to take a look at our new draft and give me your > valuable feedback. > > > > In this IETF 91 meeting, I will present this draft and discuss with you > > for further progress. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Best Regards, > > Paul > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor > Department of Software / > Department of Computer Engineering > Sungkyunkwan University > Office: +82-31-299-4957 > Mobile: +82-10-4758-1765 > Fax: +82-31-290-5119 > Email: pauljeong@skku.edu, jaehoon.paul@gmail.com > CPS Lab Website: http://cpslab.skku.edu > Personal Homepage: http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php > --001a113ea6fc4465ff05069a1150 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dave,
First of all, thanks for your valuable comments and input.

I intented that an administered network (e.g., a Google data= center network) having the server is defined as a private network. A bette= r term will be used in next draft version.

Preventing the leakage of internal traffic into the outside = networks is another good use case of SDN-based security services.
We will include this as another use case in next draft version.

Thanks.

Paul

2014. 10. 29. =EC=98=A4=EC=A0=84 12:09=EC=97=90 = "Dave Hood" <dave.ho= od@ericsson.com>=EB=8B=98=EC=9D=B4 =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1:

For clarification:

=C2=A0=

The DDOS use case te= xt reads, in part:

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The cen= tralized DDoS-attack mitigation system defends servers against

=C2=A0=C2=A0 DDoS at= tacks outside private network, that is, from public network.<= /span>

=C2=A0=

It is important to u= nderstand that the provider is resopnsible to isolate external traffic from= the private network, eg by VxLAN or MPLS encapsulation. Interfering traffic from outside the private network can only result from = failure of the provider to properly isolate it, so the appropriate response= to detecting external traffic interference into the private network would = be to notify the provider.

=C2=A0=

Arguably a more inte= resting use case would be the discovery of leakage of internal traffic into= other networks. More interesting because the severity of the leakage could be far more severe, but also because it is not clear how= a tenant could monitor for this problem.

=C2=A0=

Dave

=C2=A0=

From: I2nsf [m= ailto:i2nsf-bou= nces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 5:43 PM
To: i2nsf@ietf.o= rg
Cc: Geumhwan David Cho; Dr. Paik Eun Kyung; Dr. JungSoo Park; Prof. = Hyoungshick Kim; Jihyeok Seo; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
Subject: [I2nsf] Request for Comments on New Internet Draft for I2NS= F BoF

=C2=A0

Hi all,

I submitted a new Internet Draft about=C2=A0<= u>

"Requirements for Security Services based on So= ftware-Defined Networking".

=C2=A0

In this draft, we suggest requirements for security = services=C2=A0

(such as Firewall and DDoS attack mitigation) using = SDN.

=C2=A0

Actually we are standardizing this topic in ITU-T St= udy Group 17 as a working item

in the viewpoint of telco.

Also, we want to proceed with this topic in IETF in = the viewpoint of protocol=C2=A0

implementer.

=C2=A0

The following is our draft information:

Title: Requirements for Security Services based on S= oftware-Defined Networking

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-sec= urity-services-00

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-service= s/ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Abstract:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document provides requirements for= security services based on

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Software-Defined Networking (SDN) with = two representative use cases:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0(i) centralized firewall system for int= ra-domain networks and (ii)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0centralized DDoS-attack mitigation syst= em between inter-domain

=C2=A0 =C2=A0networks.=C2=A0 For the centralized fir= ewall system, this document raises

=C2=A0 =C2=A0challenging issues in existing firewall= s and a use case of

=C2=A0 =C2=A0centralized firewall system based on SD= N.=C2=A0 For the centralized DDoS-

=C2=A0 =C2=A0attack mitigation system, this document= also raises challenging

=C2=A0 =C2=A0issues in existing DDoS-attack mitigati= on techniques and a use case

=C2=A0 =C2=A0of centralized DDoS-attack mitigation s= ystem based on SDN.

=C2=A0

I would like to ask you to take a look at our new dr= aft and give me your valuable feedback.

=C2=A0

In this IETF 91 meeting, I will present this draft a= nd discuss with you=C2=A0

for further progress.

=C2=A0

Thanks.

=C2=A0

Best Regards,

Paul

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Software /
Department of Computer Engineering
Sungkyunkwan University
Office: +82-31-299-4957
Mobile: +82-10-4758-1765
Fax: +82-31-290-5119
Email: pauljeong@sk= ku.edu, jaehoon.paul@gm= ail.com
CPS Lab Website: http:= //cpslab.skku.edu
Personal Homepage: http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php

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Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------- Antonio Pastor Telefonica I+D e-mail: antonio.pastorperales@telefonica.com Tel: +34 913 129 435 Mobile: +34 646 815 254 ------------------------------------------------------------- De: Linda Dunbar > Fecha: mi=E9rcoles, 29 de octubre de 2014 19:48 Para: Antonio Pastor >, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA >, "i2nsf@ietf.org" > Asunto: Questions about "impersonation" security check mentioned in draft-p= astor-2insf-access-usecases-00 Diego and Antonio, The section 7.3 states that some vNSF can impersonate a customer service to= provide security functions. I would think that the entity that impersonate= a customer service should be different from the security functions that de= tect the "impersonation". Is it? [Antonio]: You are right. An we are talking about Impersonation of services= , no impersonation of identities. For the NetBIOS mentioned in your draft, do you envision using NetBIOS to a= llow operators to monitor any improper behavior on the equipment (e.g. mon= itor any suspicious traffic in and out of routers/switches, or detect Sno= wden- like behavior on network equipment, etc)? Like all our emails from w= ork computer are monitored by our IT dept. The IT dept can use various to= ols & applications that can be changing all the time to catch the ever chan= ging scenarios. [Antonio]: The simple case we envisioned is a passive impersonation, dete= ct a NetBIOS based worm/malware in a network, offering the service and det= ect the threat of being infected. Your example is an active behavioral, in = the sense of emulate/impersonate a company services and interact with the u= ser. In this case the impersonation is done over the company. Operators may need this kind of service to monitor their purchased equipmen= t, or business clients may need this service. 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Linda,

I respond below.

Regards,

----------------------------------------------= ---------------
Antonio Pastor
Telefonica I+D
e-mail: antonio.pastorperales@telefonica.com
Tel:    +34 913 129 435
Mobile: +34 646 815 254
----------------------------------------------= ---------------
De: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
Fecha: mi=E9rcoles, 29 de octubre d= e 2014 19:48
Para: Antonio Pastor <antonio.pastorperales@telefon= ica.com>, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>, "i2nsf@ietf.org" <i2nsf@ietf.org>
Asunto: Questions about "imper= sonation" security check mentioned in draft-pastor-2insf-access-usecas= es-00

Diego and Antonio,

 

The section 7.3 state= s that some vNSF can impersonate a customer service to provide security fun= ctions. I would think that the entity that impersonate a customer service s= hould be different from the security functions that detect the “impersonation”. Is it? <= /p>

 
[Antonio]: You are right. An we are talking ab= out Impersonation of services, no impersonation of identities.

For the NetBIOS mentioned in your draft, do you envi= sion using NetBIOS to allow operators to monitor any  improper behavio= r on the equipment (e.g. monitor any suspicious traffic in and out of route= rs/switches, or   detect Snowden- like behavior on network equipment, etc)?  Like all our emails from work c= omputer are monitored  by our IT dept. The IT dept can use various &nb= sp;tools & applications that can be changing all the time to catch the = ever changing scenarios.

[Antonio]:  The simple case we envisioned= is  a passive impersonation, detect a NetBIOS based worm/malware in a= network, offering the service and  detect the threat of being infecte= d. Your example is an active behavioral, in the sense of emulate/impersonate a company services and interact with the user. In t= his case the impersonation is done over the company.

 

Operators may need th= is kind of service to monitor their purchased equipment, or business client= s may need this service.  

 

Linda

 



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The preliminary agenda of the bof meeting at IETF-91= is available at https://d= atatracker.ietf.org/meeting/91/agenda/i2nsf/. The final agenda is due M= onday 11/3. Please let us know if there are any missing items or changes yo= u want to bring to the agenda.

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Dan

 

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