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Hi,

Please find my comments reading the document. In addition to these comments
I have two questions regarding the policy model.

The draft provide example for a policy where actions are "deny" or "allow".
I am wondering if I2NSF considers also more complex actions and be a
service such as "anti-dns-reflexion-attack" - or if there is a preferred
way to do this?

In addition, although the draft is describing policies, but is there any
"future work" or intentions to model strategies. In other words, do we
think that strategies will have their own structure or do we expect
strategies being described vi the policies conditions?

BR,

Daniel



3.  Policy model
   """
   Moreover, it is known that packet
   filter rules are prioritized and it is possible to specify a default
   action.  More precisely, packet filters implement the First Matching
   Rule (FMR) or Last Matching Rule (LMR) resolution strategies.
   """
My understanding  is that the document provides an abstract way to describe
policies. It is not clear to me weather LMR or FMT are part of the policies
themselves. I think what confuses me is that LMR or FMT are not part of
policies, but instead related to how to interpret a "set of policies" in
which case it would not be a parameter of a single policy. What is not
clear to me is whether LMR FMT are part of the policies (implicit or
explicit), or the implementation of the policies - that is given a set of
policies, and the southbound NFS the implementation the controller uses one
or the other.

   """
   For instance, in Figure
   Figure 1 the conditions are s1 [ S1 (read as s1 subset of S1) and s2
   [ S2 (s1 subset of S2), both s1 and s2 match the packet x1, while
   only s2 matches x2.
   """
The sentence needs some nits "Figure" is repeated and ther eis a "]"
missing. I also find the notation confusing. From the text this is what I
understand: s1 is a condition. On the other hand I also understand that s1
is the value of the selector that is testes against S1 the subset of
accepatble values. It also seems to me that index for packets and those
used for the selectors are different and so it may be better to use a
different notation. I might by wrong but here is the text I would expect:

   NEW TEXT:
   """
   A condition selector c(S, x.s) is met with packet x if the selector s
from x is a subset of S.
   For instance, in Figure 1 the multiselector condition is expressed as
the intersection of  selector conditions c([IP_start, ..., IP_stop],
x.ip_src) and c([port_start, ..., port_stop], x.port_dst).
   """

  Some nits should be corrected from the line above.

     c = s1 X s2 X ...  X sm [ S1 \times S1 X S2 X ...  X Sm = S

I also suggest that if you are using a specific notation with [] you
explicitly provide the explanation of the notation. It seems you use the
notation and then add text to clarify the use of it. I beleive this could
be done once for all and have formal and informal description separated.

In the text below, it is not clear to me how the use of chain can be used
as how it could be added. Maybe some additional text could clarify this.

   """
   However, security controls may have specific characteristics that
   automatic processes or administrators need to know when they have to
   generate configurations, like the available resolution strategies and
   the possibility to set default actions.  We have ignored, to simplify
   this presentation, options to generate configurations that may have
   better performance, like the use of chains or ad hoc structures
   [Taylor].  However, security controls may have specific characteristics
that
   automatic processes or administrators need to know when they have to
   generate configurations, like the available resolution strategies and
   the possibility to set default actions.  We have ignored, to simplify
   this presentation, options to generate configurations that may have
   better performance, like the use of chains or ad hoc structures
   [Taylor].  Adding support to these forms of optimization is certainly
   feasible with a limited effort but it was outside the scope of this
   paper, that is, to show that adding security awareness to NFV
   management and orchestration features is possible.  It is one of the
   task for future work.
   """

 section 4.1 time structure has not been defined.

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Hi,

Thanks for the feed back. See inline my comments.

BR,
Daniel

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.co=
m
> wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
>
> Please see my comments inline:
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
>
>
>
>
> *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] *=E4=
=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 *Daniel Migault
> *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2016=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8815=E6=97=
=A5 21:52
> *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* i2nsf@ietf.org
> *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* [I2nsf] comments on draft-basprez-i2nsf-capabilitie=
s-00
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Please find my comments reading the document. In addition to these
> comments I have two questions regarding the policy model.
>
>
> The draft provide example for a policy where actions are "deny" or
> "allow". I am wondering if I2NSF considers also more complex actions and =
be
> a service such as "anti-dns-reflexion-attack" - or if there is a preferre=
d
> way to do this?
>
> [Frank]: right now, for I2NSF capability interface, various actions are
> supported, i.e., allow, deny, call a function, redirect, send notificatio=
n,
> URL, etc, and it is not exhausted and can be added as individual value to
> action attribute any time. For your suggestion, I think it makes sense. B=
ut
> I suggest to define this kind of service actions for the service interfac=
e
> (customer-facing interface), since they are more appropriate to be used f=
or
> this interface.
>

  [MGLT] If I understand correctly, the action can be extended. Currently
there are more actions defined than deny, allow. However, your
recommendation would be to consider that the service will be implemented at
customer interface, and then translated into the currently defined actions.
In other words, the idea is to keep action as elementary as possible.

> In addition, although the draft is describing policies, but is there any
> "future work" or intentions to model strategies. In other words, do we
> think that strategies will have their own structure or do we expect
> strategies being described vi the policies conditions?
>
> [Frank]: what exactly do you mean for strategies here? Are they like the
> condition resolution strategies below? Or other examples?
>
[MGLT] So first you are right strategies can mostly be achieved with
conditions resolutions. Grouping policies into Sets of policies maybe
useful, but I guess that is an implementation matter. However, there are
some "conditions" that looks to me hard to deploy at the policy level and
that only make sense within a set of rules. For example, when policies are
not independent, an order may be specified. As some implementations do not
necessarily interpret the policies in the same order, it would maybe make
sense to specify if the set of policies should be interpreted in one order
or the other. This is the only example I had in mind but I am not sure
there is no other "conditions" that could only make sense to a set of
policies. If that is not a problem I am fine too ;-)

> BR,
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
> 3.  Policy model
>    """
>    Moreover, it is known that packet
>    filter rules are prioritized and it is possible to specify a default
>    action.  More precisely, packet filters implement the First Matching
>    Rule (FMR) or Last Matching Rule (LMR) resolution strategies.
>    """
>
> My understanding  is that the document provides an abstract way to
> describe policies. It is not clear to me weather LMR or FMT are part of t=
he
> policies themselves. I think what confuses me is that LMR or FMT are not
> part of policies, but instead related to how to interpret a "set of
> policies" in which case it would not be a parameter of a single policy.
> What is not clear to me is whether LMR FMT are part of the policies
> (implicit or explicit), or the implementation of the policies - that is
> given a set of policies, and the southbound NFS the implementation the
> controller uses one or the other.
>
> [Frank]: Firstly, I support that I2NSF policy should include the conditio=
n
> resolution strategies since the requirement is solid and it is indeed
> useful. In other, this strategy is part of the i2nsf policy. Secondly, I
> don=E2=80=99t get what is your real concern. For example, what is the dif=
ference
> between implicit or explicit way? Could you clarify more?
>
>
>
>    """
>    For instance, in Figure
>    Figure 1 the conditions are s1 [ S1 (read as s1 subset of S1) and s2
>    [ S2 (s1 subset of S2), both s1 and s2 match the packet x1, while
>    only s2 matches x2.
>    """
> The sentence needs some nits "Figure" is repeated and ther eis a "]"
> missing. I also find the notation confusing. From the text this is what I
> understand: s1 is a condition. On the other hand I also understand that s=
1
> is the value of the selector that is testes against S1 the subset of
> accepatble values. It also seems to me that index for packets and those
> used for the selectors are different and so it may be better to use a
> different notation. I might by wrong but here is the text I would expect:
>
>    NEW TEXT:
>    """
>    A condition selector c(S, x.s) is met with packet x if the selector s
> from x is a subset of S.
>    For instance, in Figure 1 the multiselector condition is expressed as
> the intersection of  selector conditions c([IP_start, ..., IP_stop],
> x.ip_src) and c([port_start, ..., port_stop], x.port_dst).
>    """
>
>   Some nits should be corrected from the line above.
>
>      c =3D s1 X s2 X ...  X sm [ S1 \times S1 X S2 X ...  X Sm =3D S
>
> I also suggest that if you are using a specific notation with [] you
> explicitly provide the explanation of the notation. It seems you use the
> notation and then add text to clarify the use of it. I beleive this could
> be done once for all and have formal and informal description separated.
>
> In the text below, it is not clear to me how the use of chain can be used
> as how it could be added. Maybe some additional text could clarify this.
>
>    """
>    However, security controls may have specific characteristics that
>    automatic processes or administrators need to know when they have to
>    generate configurations, like the available resolution strategies and
>    the possibility to set default actions.  We have ignored, to simplify
>    this presentation, options to generate configurations that may have
>    better performance, like the use of chains or ad hoc structures
>    [Taylor].  However, security controls may have specific characteristic=
s
> that
>    automatic processes or administrators need to know when they have to
>    generate configurations, like the available resolution strategies and
>    the possibility to set default actions.  We have ignored, to simplify
>    this presentation, options to generate configurations that may have
>    better performance, like the use of chains or ad hoc structures
>    [Taylor].  Adding support to these forms of optimization is certainly
>    feasible with a limited effort but it was outside the scope of this
>    paper, that is, to show that adding security awareness to NFV
>    management and orchestration features is possible.  It is one of the
>    task for future work.
>    """
>
>  section 4.1 time structure has not been defined.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Hi, <br><br></div>Thanks for the feed back.=
 See inline my comments.<br><br></div>BR, <br></div>Daniel<br><div><div><di=
v><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Au=
g 17, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Xialiang (Frank) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:frank.xialiang@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">frank.xialiang@huawei.com=
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r &quot;allow&quot;. I am wondering if I2NSF considers also more complex ac=
tions and be a service such as &quot;anti-dns-reflexion-attack&quot; - or i=
f there is a preferred way to do this?=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</span><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US">[Frank]: right now, for I2NSF capability interf=
ace, various actions are supported, i.e., allow, deny, call a function,
 redirect, send notification, URL, etc, and it is not exhausted and can be =
added as individual value to action attribute any time. For your suggestion=
, I think it makes sense. But I suggest to define this kind of service acti=
ons for the service interface (customer-facing
 interface), since they are more appropriate to be used for this interface.=
</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>=
<div>=C2=A0 [MGLT] If I understand correctly, the action can be extended. C=
urrently there are more actions defined than deny, allow. However, your rec=
ommendation would be to consider that the service will be implemented at cu=
stomer interface, and then translated into the currently defined actions. I=
n other words, the idea is to keep action as elementary as possible. =C2=A0=
 <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purpl=
e" lang=3D"ZH-CN"><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
</div><span class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
In addition, although the draft is describing policies, but is there any &q=
uot;future work&quot; or intentions to model strategies. In other words, do=
 we think that strategies will have their own structure
 or do we expect strategies being described vi the policies conditions?<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
</span><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US">[Frank]: what exactly do you mean for strategie=
s here? Are they like the condition resolution strategies below? Or
 other examples? </span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div=
>[MGLT] So first you are right strategies can mostly be achieved with condi=
tions resolutions. Grouping policies into Sets of policies maybe useful, bu=
t I guess that is an implementation matter. However, there are some &quot;c=
onditions&quot; that looks to me hard to deploy at the policy level and tha=
t only make sense within a set of rules. For example, when policies are not=
 independent, an order may be specified. As some implementations do not nec=
essarily interpret the policies in the same order, it would maybe make sens=
e to specify if the set of policies should be interpreted in one order or t=
he other. This is the only example I had in mind but I am not sure there is=
 no other &quot;conditions&quot; that could only make sense to a set of pol=
icies. If that is not a problem I am fine too ;-) <br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"ZH-CN"><div><di=
v><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
BR, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Daniel<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div><span class=3D"">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>
3.=C2=A0 Policy model<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 &quot;&quot;&quot;<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Moreover, it is known that packet<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 filter rules are prioritized and it is possible to specify a d=
efault<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 action.=C2=A0 More precisely, packet filters implement the Fir=
st Matching<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Rule (FMR) or Last Matching Rule (LMR) resolution strategies.<=
br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 &quot;&quot;&quot;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</span><div><span class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">My understanding=C2=A0 is that =
the document provides an abstract way to describe policies. It is not clear=
 to me weather LMR or FMT are part of the policies themselves. I think what=
 confuses me is that LMR or FMT are not part
 of policies, but instead related to how to interpret a &quot;set of polici=
es&quot; in which case it would not be a parameter of a single policy. What=
 is not clear to me is whether LMR FMT are part of the policies (implicit o=
r explicit), or the implementation of the
 policies - that is given a set of policies, and the southbound NFS the imp=
lementation the controller uses one or the other.<span style=3D"color:#1f49=
7d"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
</span><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US">[Fr=
ank]: Firstly, I support that I2NSF policy should include the condition res=
olution strategies since the requirement is solid and it is indeed
 useful. In other, this strategy is part of the i2nsf policy. Secondly, I d=
on=E2=80=99t get what is your real concern. For example, what is the differ=
ence between implicit or explicit way? Could you clarify more?<u></u><u></u=
></span></p><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 &quot;&quot;&quot;<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 For instance, in Figure<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Figure 1 the conditions are s1 [ S1 (read as s1 subset of S1) =
and s2<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 [ S2 (s1 subset of S2), both s1 and s2 match the packet x1, wh=
ile<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 only s2 matches x2.<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 &quot;&quot;&quot;<br>
The sentence needs some nits &quot;Figure&quot; is repeated and ther eis a =
&quot;]&quot; missing. I also find the notation confusing. From the text th=
is is what I understand: s1 is a condition. On the other hand I also unders=
tand that s1 is the value of the selector that is testes
 against S1 the subset of accepatble values. It also seems to me that index=
 for packets and those used for the selectors are different and so it may b=
e better to use a different notation. I might by wrong but here is the text=
 I would expect:
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 NEW TEXT:<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 &quot;&quot;&quot;<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 A condition selector c(S, x.s) is met with packet x if the sel=
ector s from x is a subset of S.
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 For instance, in Figure 1 the multiselector condition is expre=
ssed as the intersection of=C2=A0 selector conditions c([IP_start, ..., IP_=
stop], x.ip_src) and c([port_start, ..., port_stop], x.port_dst).
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 &quot;&quot;&quot;<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br>
=C2=A0 Some nits should be corrected from the line above.<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 c =3D s1 X s2 X ...=C2=A0 X sm [ S1 \times S1 X S2=
 X ...=C2=A0 X Sm =3D S<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
I also suggest that if you are using a specific notation with [] you explic=
itly provide the explanation of the notation. It seems you use the notation=
 and then add text to clarify the use of it. I beleive this could be done o=
nce for all and have formal and
 informal description separated.<br>
<br>
In the text below, it is not clear to me how the use of chain can be used a=
s how it could be added. Maybe some additional text could clarify this.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 &quot;&quot;&quot;<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 However, security controls may have specific characteristics t=
hat<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 automatic processes or administrators need to know when they h=
ave to<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 generate configurations, like the available resolution strateg=
ies and<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 the possibility to set default actions.=C2=A0 We have ignored,=
 to simplify<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 this presentation, options to generate configurations that may=
 have<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 better performance, like the use of chains or ad hoc structure=
s<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 [Taylor].=C2=A0 However, security controls may have specific c=
haracteristics that<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 automatic processes or administrators need to know when they h=
ave to<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 generate configurations, like the available resolution strateg=
ies and<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 the possibility to set default actions.=C2=A0 We have ignored,=
 to simplify<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 this presentation, options to generate configurations that may=
 have<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 better performance, like the use of chains or ad hoc structure=
s<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 [Taylor].=C2=A0 Adding support to these forms of optimization =
is certainly<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 feasible with a limited effort but it was outside the scope of=
 this<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 paper, that is, to show that adding security awareness to NFV<=
br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 management and orchestration features is possible.=C2=A0 It is=
 one of the<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 task for future work.<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 &quot;&quot;&quot;<br>
=C2=A0<br>
=C2=A0section 4.1 time structure has not been defined.<br>
=C2=A0<br>
=C2=A0<br>
<br>
=C2=A0<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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        Title           : Framework for Interface to Network Security Functions
        Authors         : Edward Lopez
                          Diego Lopez
                          Linda Dunbar
                          John Strassner
                          XiaoJun Zhuang
                          Joe Parrott
                          Ramki Krishnan
                          Seetharama Rao Durbha
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   modify packets traversing networks, either directly or in the
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