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I think that this draft has good, promising work in it. However, I do
not think that it is ready, at this moment in time, for WG adoption.
Here are some specific points focused on just the Abstract that I
think the authors should work on to improve this draft:

DRAFT:
   This document provides a framework ...
<jcs>
I am missing how this framework relates to the framework draft;
this needs to be covered.
</jcs>

DRAFT:
   ...and information model for the definition of northbound
   interfaces for a security controller.
<jcs>
I could not find an information model in this draft. While I don't
expect a detailed model at this stage, I don't even see proposed
classes or the beginning of a class hierarchy.
</jcs>

DRAFT
   The interfaces are based on user-intent instead of vendor-specific
   or device-centric approaches...
<jcs>
There are too many subjects that are attempted to be covered!
User-intent is a subject by itself - a big one. There isn't even a
definition in I2NSF of this term, let alone in the industry . I would
strongly recommend that this be moved into a separate draft.
</jcs>

DRAFT
   The document identifies the
   common interfaces needed to enforce the user-intent based policies
   onto network security functions (NSFs) irrespective of how those
   functions are realized.
<jcs>
How can you define a set of interfaces when there is no definition of
user-intent based policies? I'm not even sure what a "user-intent
based policy is",
</jcs>


best regards,
John

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

> Dear WG:
>
>
>
> This email serves as a call for WG adoption of draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-f=
acing-interface-req
> as a WG document. The call for adoption will run for 2 weeks ending Oct 5=
,
> 2016.
>
> The requirement document is one of the key deliverables specified by the
>  I2NSF charter.
>
>
>
> Please note that this is a call for adoption, and not a last call for
> content of the document. Adopting a WG document simply means that the WG
> will focus its efforts on that particular draft going forward, and use th=
at
> document for resolving open issues and documenting the WG=E2=80=99s decis=
ions.
>
>
>
> Please indicate whether you support adoption for not, and if not why.
> Issues you have with the current document itself can also be raised, but
> they should be raised in the context of what should be changed in the
> document going forward, rather than a pre-condition for adoption.
>
>
>
> Finally, now is also a good time to poll for knowledge of any IPR that
> applies to this draft, in line with the IPR disclosure obligations for WG
> participants (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If yo=
u
> are listed as a document author please respond to this email (to the
> chairs) whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-
> facing-interface-req-00.txt
>
>
>
>
>
> Authors: there are some editorial changes needed to comply with the I2NSF
> terminologies that the WG has agreed, in particular:
>
> -        Abstract: needs to change the starting sentence to =E2=80=9CThis
> document provides a framework and requirement =E2=80=A6.=E2=80=9D
>
> -        Change all reference of =E2=80=9CNorth Bound Interface=E2=80=9D =
to
> =E2=80=9CClient/consumer facing interface=E2=80=9D.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Linda & Adrian
>
>
>
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regards,
John

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I think that this draft has good, promising work in i=
t. However, I do</div><div>not think that it is ready, at this moment in ti=
me, for WG adoption.</div><div>Here are some specific points focused on=C2=
=A0just the Abstract=C2=A0that I</div><div>think the authors should work on=
 to improve this draft:</div><div><br></div><div>DRAFT:<br></div><div>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 This document provides a framework ...</div><div>&lt;jcs&gt;</div=
><div>I am missing how this framework relates to the framework draft;</div>=
<div>this needs to be covered.</div><div>&lt;/jcs&gt;</div><div><br></div><=
div><div>DRAFT:<br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 ...and information model for the=
 definition of northbound<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 interfaces for a security control=
ler.</div><div>&lt;jcs&gt;</div><div>I could not find an information model =
in this draft. While I don&#39;t</div><div>expect a detailed model at this =
stage, I don&#39;t even see proposed</div><div>classes or the beginning of =
a class hierarchy.</div><div>&lt;/jcs&gt;</div></div><div><br></div><div>DR=
AFT</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 The interfaces are based on user-intent instead =
of vendor-specific<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 or device-centric approaches...</div><di=
v>&lt;jcs&gt;</div><div>There are too many subjects that are attempted to b=
e covered!</div><div>User-intent is a subject by itself - a big one. There =
isn&#39;t even a</div><div>definition in I2NSF of this term, let alone in t=
he industry . I would</div><div>strongly recommend that this be moved into =
a separate draft.<br></div><div>&lt;/jcs&gt;</div><div><br></div><div>DRAFT=
</div><div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 The document identifies the<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 co=
mmon interfaces needed to enforce the user-intent based policies<br>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 onto network security functions (NSFs) irrespective of how those<br>=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 functions are realized.<b></b><i></i><u></u><sub></sub><sup></=
sup><strike></strike><br></div><div>&lt;jcs&gt;</div><div>How can you defin=
e a set of interfaces when there is no definition of</div><div>user-intent =
based policies? I&#39;m not even sure what a &quot;user-intent</div><div>ba=
sed policy is&quot;,</div><div>&lt;/jcs&gt;<b></b><i></i><u></u><sub></sub>=
<sup></sup><strike></strike><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
div>best regards,</div><div>John</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Linda Dunbar <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_=
blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue">
<div class=3D"m_4892905016648546928WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear WG:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This email serves as a call for WG adoption of draft=
-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-interface-req as a WG document. The call fo=
r adoption will run for 2 weeks ending Oct 5, 2016.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The requirement document is one of the key deliverab=
les specified by the =C2=A0I2NSF charter.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please note that this is a call for adoption, and no=
t a last call for content of the document. Adopting a WG document simply me=
ans that the WG will focus its efforts on that particular draft going forwa=
rd, and use that document for resolving
 open issues and documenting the WG=E2=80=99s decisions.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please indicate whether you support adoption for not=
, and if not why. Issues you have with the current document itself can also=
 be raised, but they should be raised in the context of what should be chan=
ged in the document going forward,
 rather than a pre-condition for adoption.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Finally, now is also a good time to poll for knowled=
ge of any IPR that applies to this draft, in line with the IPR disclosure o=
bligations for WG participants (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details). If you are listed as a
 document author please respond to this email (to the chairs) whether or no=
t you are aware of any relevant IPR<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-kumar-i2n=
sf-client-facing-interface-req-00.txt" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf=
.org/id/<wbr>draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-interface-req-00.txt</a><=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Authors: there are some editorial changes needed to =
comply with the I2NSF terminologies that the WG has agreed, in particular:<=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_4892905016648546928MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span>-<span styl=
e=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span><u></u>Abstract: needs to change the starting sentence to =E2=
=80=9CThis document provides a framework and requirement =E2=80=A6.=E2=80=
=9D<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_4892905016648546928MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span>-<span styl=
e=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span><u></u>Change all reference of =E2=80=9CNorth Bound Interface=
=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CClient/consumer facing interface=E2=80=9D.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda &amp; Adrian<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>

<br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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el=3D"noreferrer">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/i2nsf</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail=
_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div>regards,</div><div>John=
</div></div>
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Good. Thanks. Then we understand each other.
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To be fair to the authors, I don't think they requested adoption: this =
was chair-driven.
Anyway, the authors have indicated that they are building a new revision =
collecting comments from a number of sources, so all is good.
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Thanks,
Adrian
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From: Diego R. Lopez [mailto:diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com]=20
Sent: 03 October 2016 08:31
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Process discussion on =
draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req-00
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Hi Adrian,=20
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I must admit that, more often that I=E2=80=99d like to, I tend to be too =
brief in how I explain my points (becoming even terse in many cases) and =
if you add this to the different meanings carried by what seem synonymic =
words in different languages, you have a good base for lack of =
understanding. Let me try to explain my points regarding the adoption =
call for this draft.
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First, regarding the unusual adoption of a -00 draft, my point was not =
trying to invoke process correctness. I don=E2=80=99t consider myself an =
expert in IETF processes and, most important, I think hiding behind =
process trivia is one of the worst strategies you can follow in seeking =
consensus.  What I wanted to do was to express my surprise about the =
authors asking for adoption. My consistent experience in the IETF is =
that authors introduce -00 drafts as an initial contribution to the =
community, collect initial inputs from the community, and at least =
produce a -01 (or higher) that goes in the direction of these initial =
contributions. This is done irrespectively of the draft in question =
being technically sound, well aligned with the charter, or addressing a =
relevant issue. I can hardly understand the reasons why the authors have =
decided to go for adoption of -00, without considering any of the =
comments that were made both on the list and at the meeting in Berlin. =
Furthermore, I don=E2=80=99t see any urgency for immediate adoption. All =
comments I have seen so far (including mine) acknowledge the relevance =
of the matter considered in the draft, and the fact the document is =
headed in what seems the right direction, and therefore the interest of =
the community is confirmed, and an eventual adoption (once the concerns =
expressed are addressed) can be considered highly probable, to avoid =
terms around the word =E2=80=9Csure=E2=80=9D...
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Second, when I used the word =E2=80=9Cmaturity=E2=80=9D I was referring =
to the fact that the text did not address at all any of the concerns =
expressed when the draft was first introduced. Probably something like =
=E2=80=9Cadequately reflecting group discussion=E2=80=9D would be a much =
better way of expressing it. While some of these comments are more =
related to terminology aspects and could be solved later on during the =
draft lifecycle, others address the structure and contents of the =
document, what I think we all agree is something we should consider =
before adopting the draft. So I am not talking about completeness or a =
requirement of sufficient stability by any means, but simply asking for =
a common understanding of what a document on requirements for the =
client-facing interface should contain.
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I hope this helps in making my position clearer. Let me insist: I am not =
against considering the work in this direction, and I agree this draft =
is a very relevant first step, but I would like to see a more detailed =
discussion of some specific aspects of the draft (among them, its =
contents) before considering it ready for adoption. And I cannot see why =
we have such an urgent need for adoption either.
=20
Be goode,
=20
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On 30 Sep 2016, at 14:14 , Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
=20
Hi Diego,
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I find myself in a difficult position: the I-D in question is authored =
by people who are paid by Juniper, and I am sponsored as co-chair by =
Juniper.
Therefore, I don't want to go into details on this particular I-D.
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However, on this thread you have twice made comments about process that =
I take issue with.
1. It is unusual to adopt a 00 draft
2. The draft is not mature enough to be adopted
=20
For the first point there is "usual" meaning "done most often" and there =
is "usual" meaning "not supported by process". I think there is nothing =
in the process that speaks against adoption of a 00 draft in any way. In =
fact, some I-Ds are created as WG I-Ds without a 00 individual I-D. =
Others are adopted from 00.  Of course, the most frequent situation is =
that an individual I-D has several revisions as the authors develop it =
and attract support in the WG, but the fact of what happens most =
frequently should not be used as an argument for or against adopting a =
specific document.
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For the second point, I don't think "maturity" is a relevant or =
quantifiable thing for a draft.=20
Does it mean "a high revision number"? If so, the authors could quickly =
spin 5 revisions without changing the content.
Does it mean "no substantial sections left empty"?
Does it mean "has been round for more than 6 months"?
Or does it mean "has been discussed in 27 different email discussions"?
Surely it does not mean "substantially complete and close to being last =
called for publication".
=20
What seems (to me) to be important is:
- Does the WG want to work on this topic?
- Is it in scope for the WG charter?
- Do the chairs believe that the WG can work on this document?
=20
The chairs often (although they are not required to) use a poll of the =
WG to judge answers to these questions.
You may find the slides used in WG chair training to be helpful  =
<https://www.ietf.org/edu/documents/IETF78-WGchairs-Adrian-Farrel.pdf> =
https://www.ietf.org/edu/documents/IETF78-WGchairs-Adrian-Farrel.pdf
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I would add one more important point:
When an I-D is a WG I-D, the WG controls the content. The editors are =
obliged to address issues raised by the WG (either updating the document =
or rejecting raised concerns) under the principle of consensus.
When an I-D is an individual I-D, the authors can include or exclude =
whatever they like.
Thus, when a WG wants to work on a topic my view is that it is good to =
get the document into the care of the WG as soon as possible.
=20
=20
But I will leave further discussion of progressing this document under =
the care of my co-chair.
=20
Cheers,
Adrian
=20
--
"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"

Dr Diego R. Lopez
Telefonica I+D
http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/

e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com
Tel:    +34 913 129 041
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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'tab-interval:36.0pt;word-wrap: =
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after-white-space'><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Good. Thanks. Then we =
understand each other.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>To be fair to the authors, I =
don't think they requested adoption: this was =
chair-driven.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Anyway, the authors have =
indicated that they are building a new revision collecting comments from =
a number of sources, so all is good.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-f=
ont-family:"Times New =
Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-f=
ont-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> Diego R. Lopez =
[mailto:diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 03 October 2016 =
08:31<br><b>To:</b> adrian@olddog.co.uk<br><b>Cc:</b> =
i2nsf@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Process discussion on =
draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req-00<o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>Hi Adrian, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>I must admit that, more often that I=E2=80=99d like to, I tend =
to be too brief in how I explain my points (becoming even terse in many =
cases) and if you add this to the different meanings carried by what =
seem synonymic words in different languages, you have a good base for =
lack of understanding. Let me try to explain my points regarding the =
adoption call for this draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>First, regarding the unusual adoption of a -00 draft, my point =
was not trying to invoke process correctness. I don=E2=80=99t consider =
myself an expert in IETF processes and, most important, I think hiding =
behind process trivia is one of the worst strategies you can follow in =
seeking consensus. &nbsp;What I wanted to do was to express my surprise =
about the authors asking for adoption. My consistent experience in the =
IETF is that authors introduce -00 drafts as an initial contribution to =
the community, collect initial inputs from the community, and at least =
produce a -01 (or higher) that goes in the direction of these initial =
contributions. This is done irrespectively of the draft in question =
being technically sound, well aligned with the charter, or addressing a =
relevant issue. I can hardly understand the reasons why the authors have =
decided to go for adoption of -00, without considering any of the =
comments that were made both on the list and at the meeting in Berlin. =
Furthermore, I don=E2=80=99t see any urgency for immediate adoption. All =
comments I have seen so far (including mine) acknowledge the relevance =
of the matter considered in the draft, and the fact the document is =
headed in what seems the right direction, and therefore the interest of =
the community is confirmed, and an eventual adoption (once the concerns =
expressed are addressed) can be considered highly probable, to avoid =
terms around the word =
=E2=80=9Csure=E2=80=9D...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>Second, when I used the word =E2=80=9Cmaturity=E2=80=9D I was =
referring to the fact that the text did not address at all any of the =
concerns expressed when the draft was first introduced. Probably =
something like =E2=80=9Cadequately reflecting group discussion=E2=80=9D =
would be a much better way of expressing it. While some of these =
comments are more related to terminology aspects and could be solved =
later on during the draft lifecycle, others address the structure and =
contents of the document, what I think we all agree is something we =
should consider before adopting the draft. So I am not talking about =
completeness or a requirement of sufficient stability by any means, but =
simply asking for a common understanding of what a document on =
requirements for the client-facing interface should =
contain.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>I hope this helps in making my position clearer. Let me insist: =
I am not against considering the work in this direction, and I agree =
this draft is a very relevant first step, but I would like to see a more =
detailed discussion of some specific aspects of the draft (among them, =
its contents) before considering it ready for adoption. And I cannot see =
why we have such an urgent need for adoption =
either.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>Be goode,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>On 30 Sep 2016, at 14:14 , Adrian Farrel &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Hi Diego,</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>I find myself in a =
difficult position: the I-D in question is authored by people who are =
paid by Juniper, and I am sponsored as co-chair by Juniper.</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Therefore, I don't want to =
go into details on this particular I-D.</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>However, on this thread you =
have twice made comments about process that I take issue =
with.</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>1. It is unusual to adopt a =
00 draft</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>2. The draft is not mature =
enough to be adopted</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>For the first point there =
is &quot;usual&quot; meaning &quot;done most often&quot; and there is =
&quot;usual&quot; meaning &quot;not supported by process&quot;. I think =
there is nothing in the process that speaks against adoption of a 00 =
draft in any way. In fact, some I-Ds are created as WG I-Ds without a 00 =
individual I-D. Others are adopted from 00.<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;Of course, the most =
frequent situation is that an individual I-D has several revisions as =
the authors develop it and attract support in the WG, but the fact of =
what happens most frequently should not be used as an argument for or =
against adopting a specific document.</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>For the second point, I =
don't think &quot;maturity&quot; is a relevant or quantifiable thing for =
a draft.<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Does it mean &quot;a high =
revision number&quot;? If so, the authors could quickly spin 5 revisions =
without changing the content.</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Does it mean &quot;no =
substantial sections left empty&quot;?</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Does it mean &quot;has been =
round for more than 6 months&quot;?</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Or does it mean &quot;has =
been discussed in 27 different email discussions&quot;?</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Surely it does not mean =
&quot;substantially complete and close to being last called for =
publication&quot;.</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>What seems (to me) to be =
important is:</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>- Does the WG want to work =
on this topic?</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>- Is it in scope for the WG =
charter?</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>- Do the chairs believe =
that the WG can work on this document?</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>The chairs often (although =
they are not required to) use a poll of the WG to judge answers to these =
questions.</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>You may find the slides =
used in WG chair training to be helpful<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/edu/documents/IETF78-WGchairs-Adrian-Farrel.=
pdf"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>https://www.ietf.org/edu/documents/IETF78-WGchairs=
-Adrian-Farrel.pdf</span></a></span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>I would add one more =
important point:</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>When an I-D is a WG I-D, =
the WG controls the content. The editors are obliged to address issues =
raised by the WG (either updating the document or rejecting raised =
concerns) under the principle of consensus.</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>When an I-D is an =
individual I-D, the authors can include or exclude whatever they =
like.</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Thus, when a WG wants to =
work on a topic my view is that it is good to get the document into the =
care of the WG as soon as possible.</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>But I will leave further =
discussion of progressing this document under the care of my =
co-chair.</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-=
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Adrian</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:black'>--<br>&quot;Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor =
Infierno&quot;<br><br>Dr Diego R. Lopez<br>Telefonica I+D<br><a =
href=3D"http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/">http://people.tid.es/diego.lop=
ez/</a><br><br>e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com<br>Tel: &nbsp; =
&nbsp;+34 913 129 041<br>Mobile: +34 682 051 =
091<br>----------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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Dear all:

I have reviewed draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases and I have a few =
comments/questions (my apologies if these have been already discussed in =
the past).

-----------------------

Section 3.1.1

-Security Functions in a DMZ. You refer to authentication and =
authorization but also AAA. Is this not redundant?

-At first sight, there is no example of NSFs with flow based protection. =
That is, those that participate in the establishment of a security =
association to protect data traffic.

Section 3.1.10

- A general comment about this section is that the text seems to pay =
attention to routing. In our case, for example, we have an I-D to manage =
IPSec SAs based on SDNs =
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-abad-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-00=
). I guess this use case we present in our I-D is somehow included in =
the text =E2=80=9CConceptually, there must be an interface defined for =
routing/signaling protocols=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D but I am not sure. Could =
you clarify?

- A suggestion I have is to revise this paragraph:

=E2=80=9CWhile there are many key management methods and
   key derivation functions (KDF), there is a lack of standard interface
   to provision and manage keys.=E2=80=9D

There is a lack not only to provision and manage keys but also to =
specify additional information (e.g. low level policies) or to fill =
certain information to manage, in the end, a security association. =
Additionally, I am not sure about the initial sentence "While there are =
many key management methods and key derivation functions (KDF)=E2=80=9D=E2=
=80=A6 what do you mean with this?

Perhaps a possible modification would say:

 =E2=80=94-> While there are many key management methods and
   cryptographic suites (e.g. encryption algorithms, key derivation =
functions, etc=E2=80=A6), there is a lack of standard interface
   to provision and manage security associations.


Regarding this paragraph:

=E2=80=9CThe ability to utilize keys when routing protocols send or =
receive
   messages will be enhanced by having an abstract key table maintained
   by a security service.  Conceptually, there must be an interface
   defined for routing/signaling protocols to make requests for
   automated key management when it is being used, to notify the
   protocols when keys become available in the key table.=E2=80=9D

In my opinion, it seems going into a solution space: =E2=80=9Can =
abstract key table=E2=80=9D and a mechanism to =E2=80=9Cpull=E2=80=9D =
the keys, is this correct?. Why using this key table? Why using pull =
method so that the protocols know when the keys are available in the =
table?. Also, the text refers to routing protocols at the beginning. I =
would say that there must be an interface to configure security =
associations of any nature, no?.

Section 4. In the use cases, there is no explicit text where key =
distribution is required. One may think that section 4.3.2 and, most =
probably, 4.3.3 may be related with key management (section 3.1.10). I =
mention this because our I-D focused on key management for IPSec SAs and =
VPNs is a term that may be associated to this.

Section 7.

When you mention AAA, are you referring to =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2904 ?=20

---------

Best Regards.


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Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD
Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC)
Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia
30100 Murcia - Spain
Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es
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My replies to your comments are below:

   ACL (Acess Control List):  This is a mechanism that implements
      access control for a system resource by enumerating the system
      entities that are permitted to access the resource and stating,
      either implicitly or explicitly, the access modes granted to each
      entity [RFC4949]. A YANG description is defined in
      [I-D.ietf-netmod-acl-model].
[Rakesh & Anil] typo =E2=80=9CAccess=E2=80=9D instead of =E2=80=9CAccess=E2=
=80=9D
<jcs> Fixed <jcs>

   Capability Interface:  An interface dedicated to requesting,
      receiving, editing, and deleting capability information.
[Rakesh & Anil] What is the distinction between =E2=80=9CRegister=E2=80=9D =
and =E2=80=9CCapability
Interface=E2=80=9D?
<jcs>
I believe you mean Registration Interface. That interface is for receiving,
editing, and deleting information in a Registry. This interface has nothing
to do with a Registry. The two are separate.
</jcs>

   Client:  See Consumer. [Editor's note: placeholder for gradually
      replacing Client with Consumer, since Client is too vague and
      has other connotations (e.g., client-server)].
[Rakesh & Anil] From a security controller=E2=80=99s perspective, the terms
client/consumer/northbound are all relative terms. It is hard to argue that
one is better than the other. Also, note that northbound/southbound, is
being
used in other IETF working group documents (e.g. SUPA, I2RS), so coming up
with yet another term is also confusing to the user/implementer who have to
go through multiple documents across different working groups.
<jcs>
Disagree.
The text above specifically says that client has unwanted meanings, which
Consumer does not have. Furthermore, we have already had a discussion and
reached consensus about northbound and southbound. Briefly, northbound is
NOT in fact relative, which is why we are NOT using northbound or
southbound.
Indeed, from a security perspective, northbound and southbound are too
ambiguous to be usable.
</jcs>

   Consumer:  A Consumer is a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF
      Component that can receive information from another I2NSF
      Component.  See also:  Provider, Role.
[Rakesh & Anil] Why do we need this, are we talking about =E2=80=9CUser=E2=
=80=9D?
When we say =E2=80=9CRole=E2=80=9D, to me it is different than =E2=80=9CUse=
r=E2=80=9D.
<jcs>
Please see the definition of a Role.
Consumer is replacing Client (see Client above), which is why it is needed.
</jcs>

   Control Plane:  In the context of I2NSF, the Control Plane is an
      architectural Component that provides common control functions
      to all I2NSF Components, including some or all of the following:
      authentication, authorization, accounting, auditing, and
      Capability discovery and negotiation. The Control Plane
      orchestrates the operation of the Data Plane according to
      guidance and/or input from the Management Plane. I2NSF Components
      with Interfaces to the Control Plane have knowledge of the
      Capabilities of other I2NSF Components within a particular I2NSF
      administrative domain. This definition is based on that in
      [I-D.ietf-sacm-terminology].  See also: Data Plane, Management
      Plane.
[Rakesh & Anil] Why do we have =E2=80=9Cnegotiation=E2=80=9D? What are we t=
rying to
negotiate?
<jcs>
We will use Capabilities to negotiate functionality that is agreed to be
used by both parties.
</jcs>

   Data Plane:  In the context of I2NSF, the Data Plane is an
      architectural Component that provides operational functions to
      enable an I2NSF Component to provide and consume packets and
      flows.  See also:  Control Plane, Management Plane.
[Rakesh & Anil] We don=E2=80=99t need this definition. I2NSF is not definin=
g any
data plane related standards.
<jcs>
We will be affecting the Data Plane, so yes, we need this definition.
</jcs>

   Data Structure:  A low-level building block that is used in
      programming to implement an algorithm. A data model typically
      contains multiple types of data structures; however, a data
      structure does not contain a data model. Note the difference
      between a data **model** and a data **structure**.
[Rakesh & Anil] What is the usefulness of this definition here ?
Nothing specific to I2NSF. It is pretty standard definition; should be
removed.
<jcs>
There were questions between the difference of what a data model is,
and what a data structure is.
</jcs>

   Firewall (FW):  A function that restricts data communication traffic
      to and from one of the connected networks (the one said to be
      'inside' the firewall), and thus protects that network's system
      resources against threats from the other network (the one that
      is said to be 'outside' the firewall) [RFC4949].
      [I-D.ietf-opsawg-firewalls]
[Rakesh & Anil] Should be removed. Nothing specific to I2NSF.
<jcs>
It is present in several documents, and people wanted a definition.
</jcs>

   I2NSF Consumer Interface:  An Interface dedicated to requesting and
      using I2NSF Services. For example, this Interface could be used
      to request a set of Flow Security policies from an I2NSF
      Controller or from one or more individual NSFs. The difference is
      that the former uses more abstract Condition matching (e.g.,
      based on tenant or customer ID), whereas the latter uses more
      low-level Condition matching (e.g., based on flow state or fields
      in a flow or packet).  See also:  Interface, I2NSF Provider
      Interface, Client-Facing Interface, NSF-Facing Interface.
[Rakesh & Anil] I find hard to follow consumer/provider terms. I would
prefer =E2=80=9CAdmin=E2=80=9D.
<jcs>
An "Admin" is a completely different Role! What, specifically, is
confusing about "Consumer" and "Provider"?
</jcs>

   I2NSF Provider Interface:  An Interface dedicated to providing I2NSF
      Services. For example, this could provide Anti-Virus, (D)DoS, or
      IPS Services.  See also:  Interface, I2NSF Provider Interface,
      Client-Facing Interface, NSF-Facing Interface.
[Rakesh & Anil] I would prefer =E2=80=9CNSF=E2=80=9D interface instead of s=
ome other term
which is not very clear.
<jcs>
There are TWO interfaces - one between an I2NSF and a Consumer, and one
between an I2NSF and a Provider. Please reread the definitions of
Consumer, Provider, I2NSF Consumer Interface, and I2NSF Provider Interface.
</jcs>

   I2NSF Registry:  A registry that contains I2NSF capability
      information, which can be controlled by the I2NSF Management
      System.  See also: Registry.
[Rakesh & Anil] We already have Capability Interface? Why is that not
sufficient.
<jcs>
A Registry is a completely different Functional Block.
</jcs>

   Producer:  A Producer is a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF
      Component that can send information and/or commands to another
      I2NSF Component.  See also: Consumer, Role.
[Rakesh & Anil] I am not sure if I follow this role.
<jcs>
Think of an ESB, and the Roles of Consumers and Providers.
</jcs>

   Registration Interface:  An interface dedicated to requesting,
      receiving, editing, and deleting information in a Registry.
[Rakesh & Anil] Why =E2=80=9CCapability interface=E2=80=9D not enough?
<jcs>
See previous comments
</jcs>

   Role:  An abstraction of a Component that models context-specific
      views and responsibilities of an object as separate Role objects.
      Role objects can optionally be attached to, and removed from, the
      object that the Role object describes at runtime. This provides
      three important benefits. First, it enables different behavior
      to be supported by the same Component for different contexts.
      Second, it enables the behavior of a Component to be adjusted
      dynamically (i.e., at runtime, in response to changes in context)
      by using one or more Roles to define the behavior desired for
      each context. Third, it decouples the Roles of a Component from
      the Applications use that Component.
[Rakesh & Anil] Do we want to add RBAC?
<jcs>
We have not yet talked about formal access control mechanisms. Note that
Role is independent of access mechanisms, and is a generic modeling
construct.
</jcs>

   Service Provider Security Controller:  TBD (Editorial: Place holder
      for a split between controller and security controller
      definitions.)
[Rakesh & Anil] I am not sure why we want to restrict to =E2=80=9CService p=
rovider=E2=80=9D.
Since anyone in any market segment can use =E2=80=9CSecurity Controller=E2=
=80=9D and the
I2NSF interfaces.
<jcs>
It is a **placeholder**. The important thing is to distinguish between a
Controller and an entity that only is responsible for making security
decisions.
</jcs>

   Tenant:  A group of users that share common access privileges to
      the same software.  An I2NSF tenant may be physical or virtual,
      and may run on a variety of systems or servers.
[Rakesh & Anil] It is not necessary for all the users in the same tenant
to have common access privileges. A tenant is just a group of resources
for purpose of managing access control.
<jcs>
Disagree. Access control is not just a simple rwxd, but specific to
different resources and users. Think of RBAC, which you brought up
earlier. By this logic, you would have an exponential number of Roles
(also called Role Explosion), since if you enable different resources
to have different permissions to the same resource,
  num_tenants =3D num_resources X num_permissions X num_users
</jcs>

   Vendor-Facing Interface:  An Interface dedicated to registering and
      vendor-specific NSFs and Capabilities. It is also used to invoke
      vendor-specific functionality. This is also called the NSF-Facing
      Interface.
[Rakesh & Anil] Why do we need this? Why NSF interface is not sufficient.
<jcs>
Please read the framework spec.
</jcs>


regards,
John

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Rakesh Kumar <rkkumar@juniper.net> wrote:

> Hi John and Sue,
>
>
>
> In the interim meeting, we were not able to proceed past couple of things=
.
>
> Could you please take a look at all the comments ?
>
>
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Rakesh
>
>
>
> *From: *John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday, September 30, 2016 at 10:43 AM
> *To: *Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> *Cc: *Rakesh Kumar <rkkumar@juniper.net>, Adrian Farrel <
> afarrel@juniper.net>, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, Anil Lohiya <
> alohiya@juniper.net>
> *Subject: *Re: Can you make sure to include the changes suggested by
> Rakash in the revised terminology draft?
>
>
>
> Yes, I will incorporate the comments that we agreed to and send out an
> authors draft to check my work before I send out the draft to the list.
>
>
>
> best,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
> John and Sue,
>
>
>
> I think that we have gone through most of Rakesh=E2=80=99s comments on Te=
rminology
> over the Interim meeting. But just want to make sure that you will
> incorporate his suggestions in the revised draft.
>
>
>
> Attached is the draft with his comments marked.
>
>
>
> Also attached is the Terminology discussion meeting minutes.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> *From:* Rakesh Kumar [mailto:rkkumar@juniper.net]
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:44 AM
> *To:* Linda Dunbar; Adrian Farrel
> *Cc:* Anil Lohiya; Rakesh Kumar
> *Subject:* Re: what are the terminology comments? Sue Hares is working on
> the revision of the terminology now.
>
>
>
> Hi Linda and Adrian,
>
>
>
> I am attaching the email that has our comments on terminology draft.
>
> It would be good if you could ask Sue to work with us on this since we
> have tried so many times without any luck. We got stuck with two terms in
> last interim meeting and after that no one has approached us.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rakesh
>
>
>
> *From: *Rakesh Kumar <rkkumar@juniper.net>
> *Date: *Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 1:22 PM
> *To: *Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> *Cc: *Anil Lohiya <alohiya@juniper.net>, Rakesh Kumar <rkkumar@juniper.ne=
t
> >
> *Subject: *Re: what are the terminology comments? Sue Hares is working on
> the revision of the terminology now.
>
>
>
> I have sent multiple times to I2NSF.
>
> Could you please tell Sue to work with us on that?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Rakesh
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
> Rakesh,
>
>
>
> Can you re-send the comments / suggestions for the terminology draft? Sue
> Hares is working on the revision of the terminology now. Shouldn=E2=80=99=
t be hard
> to incorporate.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> *From:* Rakesh Kumar [mailto:rkkumar@juniper.net <rkkumar@juniper.net>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:21 PM
> *To:* Linda Dunbar
> *Cc:* Rakesh Kumar; Anil Lohiya
> *Subject:* Re: revised draft can wait for other people, but an email
> reply to Diego answering his questions would be very good.
>
>
>
> + Anil,
>
>
>
> I am working with my co-authors and making changes and soon will send for
> review with the folks who sent comments.
>
>
>
> Could you please help us on terminology draft comments from Anil and me?
>
> We have waited patiently for months and there is no response. We did not
> make any progress in last interim meeting.
>
> May be, you can send email to authors of that draft and work with us to
> resolve all the comments?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Rakesh
>
>
>
> *From: *Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 12:14 PM
> *To: *Rakesh Kumar <rkkumar@juniper.net>
> *Subject: *revised draft can wait for other people, but an email reply to
> Diego answering his questions would be very good.
>
>
>
> Rakesh,
>
>
>
> Agree with your approach that you can include all people=E2=80=99s commen=
ts into
> the next draft revision. An email reply to Diego answering his questions
> would be very good. Potentially invite him to be the co-authors, so that
> requirement from Telefonica can be incorporated in.
>
>
>
> Thanks, Linda
>
>
>
> *From:* Rakesh Kumar [mailto:rkkumar@juniper.net <rkkumar@juniper.net>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:30 PM
> *To:* Linda Dunbar
> *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: could you please address comments from Diego Lopez on
> draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req-00 and revise the draft
> accordingly?
>
>
>
> Hi Linda,
>
>
>
> I have communicated earlier through private channel to folks who provided
> comments that we would create a new revision but I am still waiting on
> inputs from couple of other folks. I wanted to combine all the comments
> into one update, avoid unnecessary cycles and save time.
>
>
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Rakesh
>
>
>
> *From: *Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, September 28, 2016 at 2:23 PM
> *To: *Rakesh Kumar <rkkumar@juniper.net>
> *Cc: *"i2nsf@ietf.org" <i2nsf@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *could you please address comments from Diego Lopez on
> draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req-00 and revise the draft
> accordingly?
>
>
>
> Rakesh,
>
>
>
> Searching through the mailing list achieve, I find the comments from Dieg=
o
> Lopez on your draft hasn=E2=80=99t been addressed nor reflect in your dra=
ft. Can
> you address them and revise the draft accordingly?
>
>
>
> Thank you very much.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
>
>
>
>
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=3Di2nsf&
> f_from=3Ddiego.r.lopez%40telefonica.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Re: [I2nsf] New Version Notification for
> draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req-00.txt*
>
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> Hi Rakesh,
>
>
>
> A few replies inline below. I=E2=80=99ve trimmed a little bit the text to=
 make the
> whole message more readable=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
> On 4 Aug 2016, at 06:32 , Rakesh Kumar <rkkumar@juniper.net<mailto:
> rkkumar@juniper.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
> H1) I would prefer other terms to refer to the actors described in the
> introduction (and elsewhere) While the term =E2=80=9Cvendor=E2=80=9D is c=
lear and generally
> accepted, I=E2=80=99d prefer to use =E2=80=9Cdeveloper=E2=80=9D (as it is=
 done in the framework
> draft) to incorporate as well NSFs provided by open-source communities an=
d
> developed in-house, to name a couple of additional sources for them. Goin=
g
> further, the term =E2=80=9Cend-customer=E2=80=9D is completely misleading=
, as in the
> networking environment is usually employed to refer to the people or
> organizations who are using the network services. I=E2=80=99d rather use =
=E2=80=9Cnetwork
> operator=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9CNSF operator=E2=80=9D, or even =E2=80=9Cse=
curity manager=E2=80=9D if you do not like
> to use the term =E2=80=9Coperator=E2=80=9D.
>
> [Rakesh] Sure.  Is there any other better term for =E2=80=9C vendor=E2=80=
=9D (I have not
> seen developer term being used in the context of vendor)?
>
> Instead of =E2=80=9Cend-customer=E2=80=9D, we can use =E2=80=9CSecurity A=
dmin=E2=80=9D .
>
>
>
> DRL> I know the traditional name for the provider of hardware and softwar=
e
> is =E2=80=9Cvendor=E2=80=9D and it is constantly (and consistently) used =
elsewhere, but I
> think it would be interesting to reflect the new trends in the industry,
> especially when it comes to open source projects and in-house tailored
> developments, and therefore I=E2=80=99d prefer to start changing the term=
 into the
> more neutral =E2=80=9Cdeveloper=E2=80=9D, that considers in a better way =
these other
> scenarios.
>
>
>
> DRL> Regarding the =E2=80=9Csecurity admin=E2=80=9D term, I am more than =
happy with it.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2) Regarding the term "user-intent=E2=80=9D, and in order to avoid
> misinterpretations in despite of the clarification statement at the end o=
f
> the introduction, I wonder whether another term could be used. I=E2=80=99=
d suggest
> =E2=80=9Cpolicy expressions=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6
>
> [Rakesh] Let me think about this.
>
>
>
> DRL> OK. What I=E2=80=99d like to avoid is a clash with the other ongoing
> activities around other interpretations of the term, and spare all of us
> the need of providing explanations once and again.
>
>
>
>
>
> 3) It is not clear to me what section 3.2 has to do with the rest of the
> document, as it deals with southbound interface deployment. I=E2=80=99d s=
uggest to
> delete it, as it can be misinterpreted as a deployment recommendation and
> introduces a new element (the agent) that is not part of the I2NSF framew=
ork
>
> [Rakesh] The reason we put this, was to articulate that client interface
> are independent of how a security controller interact with NSF.  Basicall=
y
> client interface remain the same, independent of  deployment model. The
> I2NSF only deals with client interface (northbound side) and NSF interfac=
e
> (southbound), everything else is implementation dependent and outside the
> scope of I2NSF.  It is  hard to make this point without any pictorial
> context since not everyone may be well versed with all the concepts.
>
>
>
> DRL> A possible away would be to clearly state we are talking about
> exemplary deployments styles, and merge the discussion with other section=
s,
> so it becomes clear there are no specific recommendations on particular
> southbound implementation or deployment patterns.
>
>
>
> 4) In section 4 I see a very disparate set of requirements, ranging from
> identifying some role-based objects for RBAC (in 4.1) to listing potentia=
l
> data sources for telemetry (in 4.7), without a clear identification of wh=
at
> are the specific requirements in the style I have seen in many other IETF
> requirements documents. I am confident we will make the draft evolve in
> that direction in successive versions.
>
> [Rakesh] I think we added details in each one but please let us know if
> you want add some more or put it in different format.
>
>
>
> DRL> The problem I see is that the level of detail and the depth of the
> requirements are somehow not completely aligned among them and in
> particular with other IETF requirements documents (as a couple of example=
s
> pointing in the direction of my comment, have a look at
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mglt-sfc-security-environment-req/
> or https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-security-
> environment-reqs/) As I said, I am rather sure the document will evolve
> in this direction so it was more a remark on the desired path to follow
> than anything else.
>
>
>
> Be goode,
>
>
>
> --
>
> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"
>
>
>
> Dr Diego R. Lopez
>
> Telefonica I+D
>
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>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> regards,
>
> John
>



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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>My replies to your comments are below:</div><div><br>=
</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 ACL (Acess Control List):=C2=A0 This is a mechanism=
 that implements<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 access control for a sys=
tem resource by enumerating the system<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 en=
tities that are permitted to access the resource and stating,<br>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 either implicitly or explicitly, the access modes gra=
nted to each<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 entity [RFC4949]. A YANG des=
cription is defined in<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-netmod-a=
cl-model].<br>[Rakesh &amp; Anil] typo =E2=80=9CAccess=E2=80=9D instead of =
=E2=80=9CAccess=E2=80=9D<br>&lt;jcs&gt; Fixed &lt;jcs&gt;</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Capability Interface:=C2=A0 An interface dedicated to =
requesting,<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 receiving, editing, and delet=
ing capability information.<br>[Rakesh &amp; Anil] What is the distinction =
between =E2=80=9CRegister=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CCapability Interface=E2=80=
=9D? <br>&lt;jcs&gt;<br>I believe you mean Registration Interface. That int=
erface is for receiving,<br>editing, and deleting information in a Registry=
. This interface has nothing<br>to do with a Registry. The two are separate=
.<br>&lt;/jcs&gt;<br></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Client:=C2=A0 S=
ee Consumer. [Editor&#39;s note: placeholder for gradually<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 replacing Client with Consumer, since Client is too vagu=
e and<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 has other connotations (e.g., clien=
t-server)].<br>[Rakesh &amp; Anil] From a security controller=E2=80=99s per=
spective, the terms<br>client/consumer/northbound are all relative terms. I=
t is hard to argue that<br>one is better than the other. Also, note that no=
rthbound/southbound, is being<br>used in other IETF working group documents=
 (e.g. SUPA, I2RS), so coming up<br>with yet another term is also confusing=
 to the user/implementer who have to<br>go through multiple documents acros=
s different working groups.<br>&lt;jcs&gt;<br>Disagree.<br>The text above s=
pecifically says that client has unwanted meanings, which<br>Consumer does =
not have. Furthermore, we have already had a discussion and<br>reached cons=
ensus about northbound and southbound. Briefly, northbound is<br>NOT in fac=
t relative, which is why we are NOT using northbound or southbound.<br>Inde=
ed, from a security perspective, northbound and southbound are too<br>ambig=
uous to be usable.<br>&lt;/jcs&gt;<br></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Consumer:=C2=A0 A Consumer is a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF<br>=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Component that can receive information from =
another I2NSF<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Component.=C2=A0 See also:=
=C2=A0 Provider, Role.<br>[Rakesh &amp; Anil] Why do we need this, are we t=
alking about =E2=80=9CUser=E2=80=9D?<br>When we say =E2=80=9CRole=E2=80=9D,=
 to me it is different than =E2=80=9CUser=E2=80=9D.<br>&lt;jcs&gt;<br>Pleas=
e see the definition of a Role.<br>Consumer is replacing Client (see Client=
 above), which is why it is needed.<br>&lt;/jcs&gt;</div><div><br></div><di=
v>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Control Plane:=C2=A0 In the context of I2NSF, the Control Pl=
ane is an<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 architectural Component that pr=
ovides common control functions<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 to all I2=
NSF Components, including some or all of the following:<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 authentication, authorization, accounting, auditing, and<br=
>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Capability discovery and negotiation. The C=
ontrol Plane<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 orchestrates the operation o=
f the Data Plane according to<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 guidance an=
d/or input from the Management Plane. I2NSF Components<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 with Interfaces to the Control Plane have knowledge of the<=
br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Capabilities of other I2NSF Components wi=
thin a particular I2NSF<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 administrative do=
main. This definition is based on that in<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 [I-D.ietf-sacm-terminology].=C2=A0 See also: Data Plane, Management<br>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Plane.<br>[Rakesh &amp; Anil] Why do we have =
=E2=80=9Cnegotiation=E2=80=9D? What are we trying to negotiate?<br>&lt;jcs&=
gt;<br>We will use Capabilities to negotiate functionality that is agreed t=
o be<br>used by both parties.<br>&lt;/jcs&gt;<br></div><div><br></div><div>=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Data Plane:=C2=A0 In the context of I2NSF, the Data Plane is a=
n<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 architectural Component that provides o=
perational functions to<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 enable an I2NSF C=
omponent to provide and consume packets and<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 flows.=C2=A0 See also:=C2=A0 Control Plane, Management Plane.<br>[Rakes=
h &amp; Anil] We don=E2=80=99t need this definition. I2NSF is not defining =
any<br>data plane related standards.<br>&lt;jcs&gt;<br>We will be affecting=
 the Data Plane, so yes, we need this definition.<br>&lt;/jcs&gt;</div><div=
><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Data Structure:=C2=A0 A low-level building blo=
ck that is used in<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 programming to impleme=
nt an algorithm. A data model typically<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 c=
ontains multiple types of data structures; however, a data<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 structure does not contain a data model. Note the differ=
ence <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 between a data **model** and a data=
 **structure**.<br>[Rakesh &amp; Anil] What is the usefulness of this defin=
ition here ?<br>Nothing specific to I2NSF. It is pretty standard definition=
; should be removed.<br>&lt;jcs&gt;<br>There were questions between the dif=
ference of what a data model is,<br>and what a data structure is.<br>&lt;/j=
cs&gt;<br></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Firewall (FW):=C2=A0 A fun=
ction that restricts data communication traffic<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 to and from one of the connected networks (the one said to be<br>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &#39;inside&#39; the firewall), and thus protec=
ts that network&#39;s system<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 resources ag=
ainst threats from the other network (the one that<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 is said to be &#39;outside&#39; the firewall) [RFC4949].<br>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-opsawg-firewalls]<br>[Rakesh &amp; An=
il] Should be removed. Nothing specific to I2NSF.<br>&lt;jcs&gt;<br>It is p=
resent in several documents, and people wanted a definition.<br>&lt;/jcs&gt=
;<br></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 I2NSF Consumer Interface:=C2=A0=
 An Interface dedicated to requesting and<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 using I2NSF Services. For example, this Interface could be used<br>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 to request a set of Flow Security policies from an=
 I2NSF<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Controller or from one or more ind=
ividual NSFs. The difference is<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 that the =
former uses more abstract Condition matching (e.g.,<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 based on tenant or customer ID), whereas the latter uses more<=
br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 low-level Condition matching (e.g., based=
 on flow state or fields<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 in a flow or pac=
ket).=C2=A0 See also:=C2=A0 Interface, I2NSF Provider<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Interface, Client-Facing Interface, NSF-Facing Interface.<br>[=
Rakesh &amp; Anil] I find hard to follow consumer/provider terms. I would<b=
r>prefer =E2=80=9CAdmin=E2=80=9D.<br>&lt;jcs&gt;<br>An &quot;Admin&quot; is=
 a completely different Role! What, specifically, is<br>confusing about &qu=
ot;Consumer&quot; and &quot;Provider&quot;?<br>&lt;/jcs&gt;<br></div><div><=
br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 I2NSF Provider Interface:=C2=A0 An Interface ded=
icated to providing I2NSF<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Services. For e=
xample, this could provide Anti-Virus, (D)DoS, or<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 IPS Services.=C2=A0 See also:=C2=A0 Interface, I2NSF Provider Int=
erface,<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Client-Facing Interface, NSF-Faci=
ng Interface.<br>[Rakesh &amp; Anil] I would prefer =E2=80=9CNSF=E2=80=9D i=
nterface instead of some other term<br>which is not very clear.<br>&lt;jcs&=
gt;<br>There are TWO interfaces - one between an I2NSF and a Consumer, and =
one<br>between an I2NSF and a Provider. Please reread the definitions of<br=
>Consumer, Provider, I2NSF Consumer Interface, and I2NSF Provider Interface=
.<br>&lt;/jcs&gt;</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 I2NSF Registry:=C2=
=A0 A registry that contains I2NSF capability<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 information, which can be controlled by the I2NSF Management<br>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 System.=C2=A0 See also: Registry.<br>[Rakesh &a=
mp; Anil] We already have Capability Interface? Why is that not sufficient.=
<br>&lt;jcs&gt;<br>A Registry is a completely different Functional Block.<b=
r>&lt;/jcs&gt;<br><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Producer:=C2=A0 A Producer is=
 a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Comp=
onent that can send information and/or commands to another<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I2NSF Component.=C2=A0 See also: Consumer, Role.<br>[Rak=
esh &amp; Anil] I am not sure if I follow this role.<br>&lt;jcs&gt;<br>Thin=
k of an ESB, and the Roles of Consumers and Providers.<br>&lt;/jcs&gt;<br><=
/div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Registration Interface:=C2=A0 An inte=
rface dedicated to requesting,<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 receiving,=
 editing, and deleting information in a Registry.<br>[Rakesh &amp; Anil] Wh=
y =E2=80=9CCapability interface=E2=80=9D not enough?<br>&lt;jcs&gt;<br>See =
previous comments<br>&lt;/jcs&gt;<br><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Role:=C2=
=A0 An abstraction of a Component that models context-specific<br>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 views and responsibilities of an object as separate R=
ole objects.<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Role objects can optionally =
be attached to, and removed from, the<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 obj=
ect that the Role object describes at runtime. This provides<br>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 three important benefits. First, it enables different=
 behavior<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 to be supported by the same Com=
ponent for different contexts.<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Second, it=
 enables the behavior of a Component to be adjusted<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 dynamically (i.e., at runtime, in response to changes in conte=
xt)<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 by using one or more Roles to define =
the behavior desired for<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 each context. Th=
ird, it decouples the Roles of a Component from<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 the Applications use that Component.<br>[Rakesh &amp; Anil] Do we wa=
nt to add RBAC?<br>&lt;jcs&gt;<br>We have not yet talked about formal acces=
s control mechanisms. Note that<br>Role is independent of access mechanisms=
, and is a generic modeling<br>construct.<br>&lt;/jcs&gt;<br></div><div><br=
></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Service Provider Security Controller:=C2=A0 TBD (E=
ditorial: Place holder<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 for a split betwee=
n controller and security controller<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 defi=
nitions.)<br>[Rakesh &amp; Anil] I am not sure why we want to restrict to =
=E2=80=9CService provider=E2=80=9D.<br>Since anyone in any market segment c=
an use =E2=80=9CSecurity Controller=E2=80=9D and the<br>I2NSF interfaces.<b=
r>&lt;jcs&gt;<br>It is a **placeholder**. The important thing is to disting=
uish between a<br>Controller and an entity that only is responsible for mak=
ing security<br>decisions.<br>&lt;/jcs&gt;</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Tenant:=C2=A0 A group of users that share common access privileges t=
o<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the same software.=C2=A0 An I2NSF tenan=
t may be physical or virtual,<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 and may run=
 on a variety of systems or servers.<br>[Rakesh &amp; Anil] It is not neces=
sary for all the users in the same tenant<br>to have common access privileg=
es. A tenant is just a group of resources<br>for purpose of managing access=
 control.<br>&lt;jcs&gt;<br>Disagree. Access control is not just a simple r=
wxd, but specific to<br>different resources and users. Think of RBAC, which=
 you brought up<br>earlier. By this logic, you would have an exponential nu=
mber of Roles<br>(also called Role Explosion), since if you enable differen=
t resources<br>to have different permissions to the same resource, <br>=C2=
=A0 num_tenants =3D num_resources X num_permissions X num_users<br>&lt;/jcs=
&gt;</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Vendor-Facing Interface:=C2=A0 A=
n Interface dedicated to registering and<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
vendor-specific NSFs and Capabilities. It is also used to invoke<br>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 vendor-specific functionality. This is also called=
 the NSF-Facing<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Interface.<br>[Rakesh &am=
p; Anil] Why do we need this? Why NSF interface is not sufficient.<br>&lt;j=
cs&gt;<br>Please read the framework spec.<br>&lt;/jcs&gt;<br><br></div><div=
><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>John</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Rakesh K=
umar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rkkumar@juniper.net" target=3D=
"_blank">rkkumar@juniper.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex">







<div lang=3D"EN-US" bgcolor=3D"white" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue">
<div class=3D"m_-8002823647021743601WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Hi John and Sue,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>In the interim meeting, we were not able to proceed past couple of things.=
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Could you please take a look at all the comments ?<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Thanks &amp; Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Rakesh<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">F=
rom: </span>
</b><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">John Strassner &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, September 30, 2016 at 10:43 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>Rakesh Kumar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rkkumar@juniper.net" target=
=3D"_blank">rkkumar@juniper.net</a>&gt;, Adrian Farrel &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:afarrel@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">afarrel@juniper.net</a>&gt;, Susan=
 Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank">shares@ndzh=
.com</a>&gt;, Anil Lohiya &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alohiya@juniper.net" target=
=3D"_blank">alohiya@juniper.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Can you make sure to include the changes suggested by R=
akash in the revised terminology draft?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, I will incorporate the comments that we agreed =
to and send out an authors draft to check my work before I send out the dra=
ft to the list.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">best,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@hua=
wei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">John and Sue,
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">I think that we have g=
one through most of Rakesh=E2=80=99s comments on Terminology over the Inter=
im meeting. But just want to make sure that you will incorporate
 his suggestions in the revised draft. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Attached is the draft =
with his comments marked.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Also attached is the T=
erminology discussion meeting minutes.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Linda
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahom=
a">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Rak=
esh Kumar [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:rkkumar@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">=
rkkumar@juniper.net</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 30, 2016 12:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar; Adrian Farrel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Anil Lohiya; Rakesh Kumar<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: what are the terminology comments? Sue Hares is working=
 on the revision of the terminology now.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Linda and Adrian,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am attaching the email that has our comments on te=
rminology draft.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It would be good if you could ask Sue to work with u=
s on this since we have tried so many times without any luck. We got stuck =
with two terms in last interim meeting and after that
 no one has approached us.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rakesh<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"color:black">Rakesh Kumar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:r=
kkumar@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">rkkumar@juniper.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 1:22 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>Anil Lohiya &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alohiya@juniper.net" target=3D=
"_blank">alohiya@juniper.net</a>&gt;, Rakesh Kumar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rk=
kumar@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">rkkumar@juniper.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: what are the terminology comments? Sue Hares is working=
 on the revision of the terminology now.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have sent multiple times to I2NSF.=C2=A0<u></u><u>=
</u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Could you please tell Sue to work with us on that?<u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rakesh<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunb=
ar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u><=
/u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Rakesh,
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Can you re-send the co=
mments / suggestions for the terminology draft? Sue Hares is working on the=
 revision of the terminology now. Shouldn=E2=80=99t be hard
 to incorporate. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Linda</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahom=
a">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Rak=
esh Kumar [<a href=3D"mailto:rkkumar@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">mailto:=
rkkumar@juniper.net</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Rakesh Kumar; Anil Lohiya<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: revised draft can wait for other people, but an email r=
eply to Diego answering his questions would be very good.</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">+ Anil,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am working with my co-authors and making changes a=
nd soon will send for review with the folks who sent comments.<u></u><u></u=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Could you please help us on terminology draft commen=
ts from Anil and me?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We have waited patiently for months and there is no =
response. We did not make any progress in last interim meeting.<u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">May be, you can send email to authors of that draft =
and work with us to resolve all the comments?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rakesh<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"color:black">Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l=
inda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;<b=
r>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 12:14 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Rakesh Kumar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rkkumar@juniper.net" target=
=3D"_blank">rkkumar@juniper.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>revised draft can wait for other people, but an email reply=
 to Diego answering his questions would be very good.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Rakesh,</span><u></u><=
u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Agree with your approa=
ch that you can include all people=E2=80=99s comments into the next draft r=
evision. An email reply to Diego answering his questions would
 be very good. Potentially invite him to be the co-authors, so that require=
ment from Telefonica can be incorporated in.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Thanks, Linda
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahom=
a">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Rak=
esh Kumar [<a href=3D"mailto:rkkumar@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">mailto:=
rkkumar@juniper.net</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: could you please address comments from Diego Lopez on d=
raft-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-interface-req-00 and revise the draft a=
ccordingly?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Linda,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have communicated earlier through private channel =
to folks who provided comments that we would create a new revision but I am=
 still waiting on inputs from couple of other folks.
 I wanted to combine all the comments into one update, avoid unnecessary cy=
cles and save time.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks &amp; Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rakesh<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"color:black">Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l=
inda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;<b=
r>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, September 28, 2016 at 2:23 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Rakesh Kumar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rkkumar@juniper.net" target=
=3D"_blank">rkkumar@juniper.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@=
ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">=
i2nsf@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>could you please address comments from Diego Lopez on draft=
-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-interface-req-00 and revise the draft accor=
dingly?
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rakesh,
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Searching through the mailing list achieve, I find t=
he comments from Diego Lopez on your draft hasn=E2=80=99t been addressed no=
r reflect in your draft. Can you address them and revise the
 draft accordingly? <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you very much.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">Hi Rakesh,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">A few replies inline below. I=E2=80=99ve trimme=
d a little bit the text to make the whole message more readable=E2=80=A6</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">On 4 Aug 2016, at 06:32 , Rakesh Kumar &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:rkkumar@juniper.net%3cmailto:rkkumar@juniper.net" target=3D"_=
blank">rkkumar@juniper.net&lt;mailto:<wbr>rkkumar@juniper.net</a>&gt;&gt;
 wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">H1) I would prefer other terms to refer to the =
actors described in the introduction (and elsewhere) While the term =E2=80=
=9Cvendor=E2=80=9D is clear
 and generally accepted, I=E2=80=99d prefer to use =E2=80=9Cdeveloper=E2=80=
=9D (as it is done in the framework draft) to incorporate as well NSFs prov=
ided by open-source communities and developed in-house, to name a couple of=
 additional sources for them. Going further, the term =E2=80=9Cend-customer=
=E2=80=9D
 is completely misleading, as in the networking environment is usually empl=
oyed to refer to the people or organizations who are using the network serv=
ices. I=E2=80=99d rather use =E2=80=9Cnetwork operator=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=
=9CNSF operator=E2=80=9D, or even =E2=80=9Csecurity manager=E2=80=9D if you=
 do not like to
 use the term =E2=80=9Coperator=E2=80=9D.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">[Rakesh] Sure.=C2=A0 Is there any other better =
term for =E2=80=9C vendor=E2=80=9D (I have not seen developer term being us=
ed in the context of vendor)?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">Instead of =E2=80=9Cend-customer=E2=80=9D, we c=
an use =E2=80=9CSecurity Admin=E2=80=9D .</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">DRL&gt; I know the traditional name for the pro=
vider of hardware and software is =E2=80=9Cvendor=E2=80=9D and it is consta=
ntly (and consistently) used elsewhere,
 but I think it would be interesting to reflect the new trends in the indus=
try, especially when it comes to open source projects and in-house tailored=
 developments, and therefore I=E2=80=99d prefer to start changing the term =
into the more neutral =E2=80=9Cdeveloper=E2=80=9D, that
 considers in a better way these other scenarios.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">DRL&gt; Regarding the =E2=80=9Csecurity admin=
=E2=80=9D term, I am more than happy with it.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">2) Regarding the term &quot;user-intent=E2=80=
=9D, and in order to avoid misinterpretations in despite of the clarificati=
on statement at the end of
 the introduction, I wonder whether another term could be used. I=E2=80=99d=
 suggest =E2=80=9Cpolicy expressions=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">[Rakesh] Let me think about this.</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">DRL&gt; OK. What I=E2=80=99d like to avoid is a=
 clash with the other ongoing activities around other interpretations of th=
e term, and spare all
 of us the need of providing explanations once and again.</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">3) It is not clear to me what section 3.2 has t=
o do with the rest of the document, as it deals with southbound interface d=
eployment.
 I=E2=80=99d suggest to delete it, as it can be misinterpreted as a deploym=
ent recommendation and introduces a new element (the agent) that is not par=
t of the I2NSF framework</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">[Rakesh] The reason we put this, was to articul=
ate that client interface are independent of how a security controller inte=
ract with NSF.=C2=A0
 Basically client interface remain the same, independent of=C2=A0 deploymen=
t model. The I2NSF only deals with client interface (northbound side) and N=
SF interface (southbound), everything else is implementation dependent and =
outside the scope of I2NSF.=C2=A0 It is=C2=A0 hard
 to make this point without any pictorial context since not everyone may be=
 well versed with all the concepts.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">DRL&gt; A possible away would be to clearly sta=
te we are talking about exemplary deployments styles, and merge the discuss=
ion with other
 sections, so it becomes clear there are no specific recommendations on par=
ticular southbound implementation or deployment patterns.</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">4) In section 4 I see a very disparate set of r=
equirements, ranging from identifying some role-based objects for RBAC (in =
4.1) to listing
 potential data sources for telemetry (in 4.7), without a clear identificat=
ion of what are the specific requirements in the style I have seen in many =
other IETF requirements documents. I am confident we will make the draft ev=
olve in that direction in successive
 versions.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">[Rakesh] I think we added details in each one b=
ut please let us know if you want add some more or put it in different form=
at.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">DRL&gt; The problem I see is that the level of =
detail and the depth of the requirements are somehow not completely aligned=
 among them and
 in particular with other IETF requirements documents (as a couple of examp=
les pointing in the direction of my comment, have a look at
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mglt-sfc-security-environ=
ment-req/" target=3D"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/<wbr>doc/draft-mglt-sfc-security-<wbr>environm=
ent-req/</a> or <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs=
-security-environment-reqs/" target=3D"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/<wbr>doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-security-<wbr>environ=
ment-reqs/</a>) As I said, I am rather sure the document will evolve in thi=
s direction so it was more a remark on the desired path to follow than anyt=
hing else.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">Be goode,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">--</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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:8.0pt;font-family:Courier">&quot;Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno&q=
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<br clear=3D"all">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Interface to Network Security Functions of the IETF.

        Title           : I2NSF Problem Statement and Use cases
        Authors         : Susan Hares
                          Linda Dunbar
                          Diego R. Lopex
                          Myo Zarny
                          Christian Jacquenet
	Filename        : draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases-02.txt
	Pages           : 24
	Date            : 2016-10-05

Abstract:
   This document describes the problem statement for Interface to
   Network Security Functions (I2NSF) as well as some companion use
   cases.


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Aldo and Diego,


The section 4.1 of your draft has this expression:

Our capabilities are defined by a 4-tuple:
(Ac; Cc; RSc; Dc) [ (AC; CC; RSC; DC)=3D K

Is it intentional to have "[" without the matching one "]"?

What is the relationship between "Ac" and "AC"? are they the same?

If a NSF supports more actions than the simple "permit" or "deny" (e.g. "re=
direct", "log", "alert", etc), will then be listed in "AC" or "Ac"?

Thanks, Linda

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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks, Linda <o:p></o:p></p>
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To: "Prof. Hyoungshick Kim" <hyoung@skku.edu>, "Pauljeong@skku.edu" <Pauljeong@skku.edu>
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Hyoungshick, et al,

How would you position your draft-kim-i2nsf-security-management-architectur=
e-01 with regard to the I2NSF framework draft? I find there are  a lot of d=
uplicated content to the I2nsf framework draft.

There are some differences,  such as the following: Are you trying to defin=
e how "security policy" is structured?

[cid:image002.png@01D21F04.D52074D0]

Will the "High Level security management" eventually lead to Client Facing =
Policy data models?

Do you plan to define interfaces between all those components depicted in F=
igure 1?  The interfaces between some of those components are not really in=
 the I2NSF WG current charter, such as "Security Policy Manager" <-> "NSF C=
apability Manager",  or the interface between "Application Logic" <-> "Poli=
cy Updater".

Are those components in your current implementation? Is it like an "example=
 of one implementation"?


Thanks, Linda

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How would you position your draft-kim-i2nsf-security=
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are some differences, &nbsp;such as the follow=
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<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do you plan to define interfaces between all those c=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Paul, et al,

How would you position "draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-services-05" with re=
ference to the I2NSF WG charter and deliverables (https://datatracker.ietf.=
org/wg/i2nsf/charter/ )?

>From some perspectives, the draft is more like describing use cases for I2N=
SF, is it?

The requirement described in your Section 6 are derived from the use cases =
described in Section 7, is correct?

*        SDN-based security services are required to support the programmab=
ility of network resources to mitigate network attacks.

*        SDN-based security services are required to support the orchestrat=
ion of network resources and SDN applications to mitigate network attacks.

*        SDN-based security services are required to provide an application=
 interface allowing the management of access control policies in an autonom=
ous and prompt manner.


Thanks, Linda


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Paul, et al, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How would you position &quot;draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-s=
ecurity-services-05&quot; with reference to the I2NSF WG charter and delive=
rables (https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/i2nsf/charter/ )?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">From some perspectives, the draft is more like descr=
ibing use cases for I2NSF, is it?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The requirement described in your Section 6 are deri=
ved from the use cases described in Section 7, is correct?
<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
Courier">SDN-based security services are required to support the programmab=
ility of network resources to mitigate network attacks.<o:p></o:p></span></=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
Courier">SDN-based security services are required to support the orchestrat=
ion of network resources and SDN applications to mitigate network attacks.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
Courier">SDN-based security services are required to provide an application=
 interface allowing the management of access control policies in an autonom=
ous and prompt manner.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks, Linda<o:p></o:p></p>
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Dear Linda,

this ambiguity is a consequence of my bad relation with the textual=20
syntax of I-D, while I usually work with LaTeX and I conceive formulas=20
in LaTeX format (and, honestly, I still don't understand why it is not=20
also adopted by IETF).

I'm sorry for this, I'll work to improve formulas readability for the=20
version 01 or for the merged version (the one we are working on with=20
John Strassner and Frank Xialiang).

1) AC (both capital letters) is the set of all the existing actions,=20
thus AC will include =93permit=94, =93deny=94, =93redirect=94, =93log=94,=
 =93alert=94, and=20
all the actions that may describe any of the enforcement activities=20
performed by whatever security function.

2) Ac is a subset of AC that represents the actions actually available=20
at the security function we want to describe.
Therefore, for a basic packet filter it will most likely include only=20
=93permit=94, =93deny=94, and =93redirect=94, while more sophisticated fu=
nctions=20
will have their own set of actions (that, to make the model coherent,=20
should nevertheless be also replicated in the AC that will contain all=20
of them).

"[" graphically depicts the LaTeX symbol \subseteq (look at the relation =

symbols here http://web.ift.uib.no/Teori/KURS/WRK/TeX/symALL.html) which =

I used to depict the subset relation (a [ b means that the left one=20
contains a subset of the elements in b but it may possibly contain the=20
same elements as b).
I added a sentence in the draft explaining this use, but it was probably =

very vague.

Hope this clarifies the and hope I can solve editing issues in the next=20
versions.

Regards,
Aldo


On 05/10/2016 19:12, Linda Dunbar wrote:
>
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> Aldo and Diego,
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>
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>
> The section 4.1 of your draft has this expression:
>
>
>
> Our capabilities are defined by a 4-tuple:
>
> (Ac; Cc; RSc; Dc) [ (AC; CC; RSC; DC)=3D K
>
>
>
> Is it intentional to have =93[=93 without the matching one =93]=94?
>
>
>
> What is the relationship between =93Ac=94 and =93AC=94? are they the sa=
me?
>
>
>
> If a NSF supports more actions than the simple =93permit=94 or =93deny=94=
 (e.g.
> =93redirect=94, =93log=94, =93alert=94, etc), will then be listed in =93=
AC=94 or =93Ac=94?
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> Thanks, Linda
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Aldo,

Thank you very much for the detailed explanation.
=20
You mentioned about merging with John and Frank Xia's draft. Will you merge=
 some content to the "draft-xia-i2nsf-capability-interface-im"?=20

Or some content from "draft-xia-i2nsf-capability-interface-im" will be merg=
ed to yours?=20


Using the I2NSF WG agreed terminologies, (i.e. "NSF-facing-interface" and "=
Client-facing-interface), the "draft-xia-i2nsf-capability-interface-im" not=
 only describes the "capability" information from NSFs, but also the "dynam=
ic rules over the NSF-facing-interface.=20

At today's Interim meeting, can you, John, and Frank explain the partition =
of the drafts?=20

Thank you very much.=20

Linda=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Aldo Basile [mailto:cataldo.basile@polito.it]=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 1:56 PM
To: Linda Dunbar; i2nsf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Questions about draft-baspez-i2nsf-capabilities-00

Dear Linda,

this ambiguity is a consequence of my bad relation with the textual=20
syntax of I-D, while I usually work with LaTeX and I conceive formulas=20
in LaTeX format (and, honestly, I still don't understand why it is not=20
also adopted by IETF).

I'm sorry for this, I'll work to improve formulas readability for the=20
version 01 or for the merged version (the one we are working on with=20
John Strassner and Frank Xialiang).

1) AC (both capital letters) is the set of all the existing actions,=20
thus AC will include "permit", "deny", "redirect", "log", "alert", and=20
all the actions that may describe any of the enforcement activities=20
performed by whatever security function.

2) Ac is a subset of AC that represents the actions actually available=20
at the security function we want to describe.
Therefore, for a basic packet filter it will most likely include only=20
"permit", "deny", and "redirect", while more sophisticated functions=20
will have their own set of actions (that, to make the model coherent,=20
should nevertheless be also replicated in the AC that will contain all=20
of them).

"[" graphically depicts the LaTeX symbol \subseteq (look at the relation=20
symbols here http://web.ift.uib.no/Teori/KURS/WRK/TeX/symALL.html) which=20
I used to depict the subset relation (a [ b means that the left one=20
contains a subset of the elements in b but it may possibly contain the=20
same elements as b).
I added a sentence in the draft explaining this use, but it was probably=20
very vague.

Hope this clarifies the and hope I can solve editing issues in the next=20
versions.

Regards,
Aldo


On 05/10/2016 19:12, Linda Dunbar wrote:
>
>
> Aldo and Diego,
>
>
>
>
>
> The section 4.1 of your draft has this expression:
>
>
>
> Our capabilities are defined by a 4-tuple:
>
> (Ac; Cc; RSc; Dc) [ (AC; CC; RSC; DC)=3D K
>
>
>
> Is it intentional to have "[" without the matching one "]"?
>
>
>
> What is the relationship between "Ac" and "AC"? are they the same?
>
>
>
> If a NSF supports more actions than the simple "permit" or "deny" (e.g.
> "redirect", "log", "alert", etc), will then be listed in "AC" or "Ac"?
>
>
>
> Thanks, Linda
>



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Dear Linda,

we discussed and agreed in Berlin that the two drafts will form a new=20
one, which will merge the content of both I-Ds. We have (at least from=20
my side) slowly started to work on the new I-D.

The new draft will roughly contain two parts:

- one part that describes the dynamic and management aspects of the=20
"capability" owned by a NSF, that is, how a function publishes=20
capabilities, how it is possible to push configurations to it, and all=20
the (event-based) management life cycle of a NSF. This part mainly=20
builds from the draft-xia-i2nsf-capability-interface-im and contributed=20
by John and Frank (which may be more precise during the call), and

- one part that describes the static aspects of the security policies=20
(i.e., the configurations) that can be pushed to an NSF, that is, the=20
actions that an NSF can enforce and the way to ask it to enforce these=20
actions on specific traffic (=3Dconditions, resolutions, default actions,=
=20
etc.). This part mainly builds from the baspez draft.

Regards,
Aldo


On 05/10/2016 22:11, Linda Dunbar wrote:
> Aldo,
>
> Thank you very much for the detailed explanation.
>
> You mentioned about merging with John and Frank Xia's draft. Will you m=
erge some content to the "draft-xia-i2nsf-capability-interface-im"?
>
> Or some content from "draft-xia-i2nsf-capability-interface-im" will be =
merged to yours?
>
>
> Using the I2NSF WG agreed terminologies, (i.e. "NSF-facing-interface" a=
nd "Client-facing-interface), the "draft-xia-i2nsf-capability-interface-i=
m" not only describes the "capability" information from NSFs, but also th=
e "dynamic rules over the NSF-facing-interface.
>
> At today's Interim meeting, can you, John, and Frank explain the partit=
ion of the drafts?
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Linda
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aldo Basile [mailto:cataldo.basile@polito.it]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 1:56 PM
> To: Linda Dunbar; i2nsf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Questions about draft-baspez-i2nsf-capabilities-00
>
> Dear Linda,
>
> this ambiguity is a consequence of my bad relation with the textual
> syntax of I-D, while I usually work with LaTeX and I conceive formulas
> in LaTeX format (and, honestly, I still don't understand why it is not
> also adopted by IETF).
>
> I'm sorry for this, I'll work to improve formulas readability for the
> version 01 or for the merged version (the one we are working on with
> John Strassner and Frank Xialiang).
>
> 1) AC (both capital letters) is the set of all the existing actions,
> thus AC will include "permit", "deny", "redirect", "log", "alert", and
> all the actions that may describe any of the enforcement activities
> performed by whatever security function.
>
> 2) Ac is a subset of AC that represents the actions actually available
> at the security function we want to describe.
> Therefore, for a basic packet filter it will most likely include only
> "permit", "deny", and "redirect", while more sophisticated functions
> will have their own set of actions (that, to make the model coherent,
> should nevertheless be also replicated in the AC that will contain all
> of them).
>
> "[" graphically depicts the LaTeX symbol \subseteq (look at the relatio=
n
> symbols here http://web.ift.uib.no/Teori/KURS/WRK/TeX/symALL.html) whic=
h
> I used to depict the subset relation (a [ b means that the left one
> contains a subset of the elements in b but it may possibly contain the
> same elements as b).
> I added a sentence in the draft explaining this use, but it was probabl=
y
> very vague.
>
> Hope this clarifies the and hope I can solve editing issues in the next=

> versions.
>
> Regards,
> Aldo
>
>
> On 05/10/2016 19:12, Linda Dunbar wrote:
>>
>>
>> Aldo and Diego,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The section 4.1 of your draft has this expression:
>>
>>
>>
>> Our capabilities are defined by a 4-tuple:
>>
>> (Ac; Cc; RSc; Dc) [ (AC; CC; RSC; DC)=3D K
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it intentional to have "[" without the matching one "]"?
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the relationship between "Ac" and "AC"? are they the same?
>>
>>
>>
>> If a NSF supports more actions than the simple "permit" or "deny" (e.g=
=2E
>> "redirect", "log", "alert", etc), will then be listed in "AC" or "Ac"?=

>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Linda
>>
>
>
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Hi all,
I have posted a revised i2nsf I-D:
- Title
   YANG Data Model of Interface to Network Security Functions Capability
Interface

- File

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-capability-interface-yang-03

- Abstract
   This document defines a data model corresponding to the information
   model for Interface to Network Security Functions (I2NSF) capability
   interface.  It describes a data model for three security capabilities
   (i.e., security functions), such as network security control, content
   security control, and attack mitigation control, as defined in the
   information model for the I2NSF capability interface.

In this draft, we reflected the latest information model for NSF facing
interface
in the following draft:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-i2nsf-capability-interface-im-06

We are planning to merge our draft with Sue Hares's YANG Data Model:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hares-i2nsf-capability-yang-00

It will be great for you to give us comments or suggestions.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul
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Assistant Professor
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div>I have posted a revised i2nsf I-D:<=
/div><div>- Title</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0YANG Data Model of Interface to Ne=
twork Security Functions Capability Interface</div><div><br></div><div>- Fi=
le</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeon=
g-i2nsf-capability-interface-yang-03">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeo=
ng-i2nsf-capability-interface-yang-03</a></div><div><br></div><div>- Abstra=
ct</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines a data model corresponding =
to the information</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0model for Interface to Network Se=
curity Functions (I2NSF) capability</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0interface.=C2=A0=
 It describes a data model for three security capabilities</div><div>=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0(i.e., security functions), such as network security control, conten=
t</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0security control, and attack mitigation control, a=
s defined in the</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0information model for the I2NSF cap=
ability interface.</div><div><br></div><div>In this draft, we reflected the=
 latest information model for NSF facing interface</div><div>in the followi=
ng draft:</div><div><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-i2nsf-=
capability-interface-im-06">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-i2nsf-cap=
ability-interface-im-06</a></div><div><br></div><div>We are planning to mer=
ge our draft with Sue Hares&#39;s YANG Data Model:</div><div><a href=3D"htt=
ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hares-i2nsf-capability-yang-00">https://tool=
s.ietf.org/html/draft-hares-i2nsf-capability-yang-00</a></div><div><br></di=
v><div>It will be great for you to give us comments or suggestions.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div>=
Paul</div><div>--=C2=A0<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>Mr. Jaehoon (P=
aul) Jeong, Ph.D.<br>Assistant Professor<br>Department of Software<br>Sungk=
yunkwan University<br>Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>Email: <a href=3D"mailto:j=
aehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>,=C2=A0<=
a href=3D"mailto:pauljeong@skku.edu" style=3D"font-size:12.8px" target=3D"_=
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Attached is the I2NSF Oct 5 interim slides.

Here is the Etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/i2nsf-interim-2=
016-10-05

I strongly recommend participants to add/edit the meeting discussion in the=
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Talk to you soon.
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<a href=3D"http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/i2nsf-interim-2016-10-05">=
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Hi Linda,
Here are my answers inline below.

On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

> Paul, et al,
>
>
>
> How would you position "draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-services-05" with
> reference to the I2NSF WG charter and deliverables (
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/i2nsf/charter/ )?
>
>
>
 [Paul] I think my draft can be integrated into the I2NSF problem statement
and use cases draft as a use case:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-services-05

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases-02


> From some perspectives, the draft is more like describing use cases for
> I2NSF, is it?
>
>   [Paul] Yes, you are right.


>
> The requirement described in your Section 6 are derived from the use case=
s
> described in Section 7, is correct?
>
> =C2=B7        SDN-based security services are required to support the
> programmability of network resources to mitigate network attacks.
>
> =C2=B7        SDN-based security services are required to support the
> orchestration of network resources and SDN applications to mitigate netwo=
rk
> attacks.
>
> =C2=B7        SDN-based security services are required to provide an
> application interface allowing the management of access control policies =
in
> an autonomous and prompt manner.
>
>  [Paul] Yes, you are right.

 I would like to work with Sue Hares to integrate my draft into
draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases-02.

 Thanks.

 Best Regards,
 Paul


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> Thanks, Linda
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Linda,<div>Here are my answers inline below.</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at=
 2:51 PM, Linda Dunbar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar=
@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_270422636306402118WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Paul, et al, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How would you position &quot;draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-<=
wbr>security-services-05&quot; with reference to the I2NSF WG charter and d=
eliverables (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/i2nsf/charter/" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/<wbr>wg/i2nsf/charter/</a> )?
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0</p></div></div></blockquote><div>=C2=
=A0[Paul] I think my draft can be integrated into the I2NSF problem stateme=
nt and use cases draft as a use case:</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-=
security-services-05">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-sec=
urity-services-05</a></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a=
 href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases=
-02">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases-02<=
/a><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_270422636306402118Word=
Section1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">From some perspectives, the draft is more like descr=
ibing use cases for I2NSF, is it?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div>=C2=A0 [Pau=
l] Yes, you are right.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_270422636=
306402118WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The requirement described in your Section 6 are deri=
ved from the use cases described in Section 7, is correct?
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_270422636306402118MsoListParagraph">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:symbol"><span>=C2=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:=
normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:nor=
mal;font-family:&quot;times new roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:couri=
er">SDN-based security services are required to support the programmability=
 of network resources to mitigate network attacks.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_270422636306402118MsoListParagraph">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:symbol"><span>=C2=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:=
normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:nor=
mal;font-family:&quot;times new roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:couri=
er">SDN-based security services are required to support the orchestration o=
f network resources and SDN applications to mitigate network attacks.<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_270422636306402118MsoListParagraph">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:symbol"><span>=C2=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:=
normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:nor=
mal;font-family:&quot;times new roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:couri=
er">SDN-based security services are required to provide an application inte=
rface allowing the management of access control policies in an autonomous a=
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div><br></div><div>=C2=A0Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0Best Regard=
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Thanks to everyone who participated in the Oct 5 I2NSF interim meeting, esp=
ecially thanks to the ones in Asia who have to get up 4am to break up their=
 sleep (during their national holidays) to attend the meeting, and the ones=
 in Europe who have to stay up really late to midnight to attend the meetin=
g.

Attached is the meeting mintues.

If something is missed from the minutes, please update the Etherpad: http:/=
/etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/i2nsf-interim-2016-10-05


Thank you.

Linda & Adrian

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Hi Linda and Adrian,
I dropped the interim meeting after the discussion on data model drafts for
Capability and NSF facing interface because I had another appointment.

For my three other drafts, we can discuss by email.

Thanks for your coordination for this meeting.

Best Regards,
Paul

2016. 10. 5. =EC=98=A4=ED=9B=84 6:26=EC=97=90 "Linda Dunbar" <linda.dunbar@=
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> Thanks to everyone who participated in the Oct 5 I2NSF interim meeting,
> especially thanks to the ones in Asia who have to get up 4am to break up
> their sleep (during their national holidays) to attend the meeting, and t=
he
> ones in Europe who have to stay up really late to midnight to attend the
> meeting.
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> Attached is the meeting mintues.
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Hi Linda and Adrian,<br>
I dropped the interim meeting after the discussion on data model drafts for=
 Capability and NSF facing interface because I had another appointment.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">For my three other drafts, we can discuss by email.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for your coordination for this meeting.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Best Regards,<br>
Paul</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2016. 10. 5. =EC=
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o:linda.dunbar@huawei.com">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;=EB=8B=98=EC=9D=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks to everyone who participated in the Oct 5 I2N=
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p 4am to break up their sleep (during their national holidays) to attend th=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If something is missed from the minutes, please upda=
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Dear all,

Taking a look at the draft I have noted some comments.

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- =E2=80=9CThis draft proposes that a capability interface to NSFs can =
be developed on a flow-based paradigm=E2=80=A6.=E2=80=9D
	- What about the other three interfaces: registration, =
monitoring and notification?

- Section 3.3 talks about the =E2=80=9CRegistration Interface=E2=80=9D =
communicating the Security Controller and the Developer=E2=80=99s Mngt =
systems, and Section 3.2.1 also talks about =E2=80=9CRegistration =
Interface=E2=80=9D but now referring to the communication between the =
Security Controller and the NSF.
	- Interface=E2=80=99s name should be change here.

- Section 4. The terms =E2=80=9Cclient=E2=80=9D should be clarified here =
to avoid ambiguity.

- Section 7.1.
	-In the last example, the text says:
		- An Event can be "the client has passed AAA process"; =
=E2=86=92 the term client should also be clarified, do you mean =E2=80=9Ce=
nd user=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cendpoint=E2=80=9D?
		- I like the example based on IPsec, but I think the =
example could be something like (just suggesting):
					=E2=80=A2 Event: =E2=80=9Ctraffic =
type X detected=E2=80=9D
					=E2=80=A2 Condition: =E2=80=9Cfrom=
 domain-A to domain-B=E2=80=9D
					=E2=80=A2 Action: =E2=80=9CEstabli=
sh an IPsec tunnel=E2=80=9D

- In general, sometimes IPS/IDP examples are used, sometimes IPsec ones, =
sometimes Firewalls o DDoS, but they are not related from one section to =
another. I suggest to make use of one or two running examples across the =
whole document.

- Section 8
	- This sentence =E2=80=9CIt is very possible that the underlay =
network (or provider network) does not have the capability or resource =
to enforce the flow security policies requested by the overlay network =
(or enterprise network)=E2=80=9D is quite confusing.
	- The association between underlay/provider and =
overlay/enterprise is not described.

- Section 9.
	- Section 9.1
		-In this section Firewalls, IPS and IDS are described =
but it seems more a closed list rather than examples. I think it should =
be clarified. BTW, security gateways (IPsec) may be included in the list =
of =E2=80=9Ccommonly deployed NSF=E2=80=9D.

	- Section 9 is labelled =E2=80=9CRegistration consideration=E2=80=9D=
 but talks about =E2=80=9Ctraffic characterization=E2=80=9D
		- What =E2=80=9CRegistration=E2=80=9D means here? =
capability registration? security services? and why it is related with =
traffic characterization should be described.


just my too cents.

Regards, Gabi.


-----------------------------------------------------------
Gabriel L=C3=B3pez Mill=C3=A1n
Departamento de Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Informaci=C3=B3n y las =
Comunicaciones
University of Murcia
Spain
Tel: +34 868888504
Fax: +34 868884151
email: gabilm@um.es <mailto:gabilm@um.es>





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class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>Dear all,<div =
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class=3D"">Taking a look at the draft I have noted some =
comments.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">- =E2=80=9CThis draft =
proposes that a capability interface to NSFs can be&nbsp;developed on a =
flow-based paradigm=E2=80=A6.=E2=80=9D</div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>-&nbsp;What about the other three interfaces: registration, =
monitoring and notification?</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- Section 3.3 talks about the =
=E2=80=9CRegistration Interface=E2=80=9D communicating the Security =
Controller and the Developer=E2=80=99s Mngt systems, and Section 3.2.1 =
also talks about =E2=80=9CRegistration Interface=E2=80=9D but now =
referring to the communication between the Security Controller and the =
NSF.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>-&nbsp;Interface=E2=80=99s name =
should be change here.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">- Section 4. The terms =E2=80=9Cclient=E2=80=9D should be =
clarified here to avoid ambiguity.<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- Section 7.1.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>-In the last example, the text says:&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>-&nbsp;An Event can be "the client has passed AAA process"; =E2=86=92=
 the term client should also be clarified, do you mean =E2=80=9Cend =
user=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cendpoint=E2=80=9D?<br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>-&nbsp;I like the example based on IPsec, but I think the example =
could be something like (just suggesting):<br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
			</span>=E2=80=A2 Event: =E2=80=9Ctraffic type X =
detected=E2=80=9D<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">				=
	</span>=E2=80=A2 Condition: =E2=80=9Cfrom domain-A to =
domain-B=E2=80=9D<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">				=
	</span>=E2=80=A2 Action: =E2=80=9CEstablish an IPsec =
tunnel=E2=80=9D</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">- In general, sometimes IPS/IDP examples are used, sometimes =
IPsec ones, sometimes Firewalls o DDoS, but they are not related from =
one section to another. I suggest to make use of one or two running =
examples across the whole document.<br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- Section 8</div><div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>-&nbsp;This sentence =E2=80=9CIt is very possible that the =
underlay network (or provider network) does not have the capability or =
resource to enforce the flow security policies requested by the overlay =
network (or enterprise network)=E2=80=9D is quite =
confusing.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>-&nbsp;The association between =
underlay/provider and overlay/enterprise is not described.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- Section 9.</div><div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>-&nbsp;Section 9.1</div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>-In this section Firewalls, IPS and IDS are described but it =
seems more a closed list rather than examples. I think it should be =
clarified. BTW, security gateways (IPsec) may be included in the list of =
=E2=80=9Ccommonly deployed NSF=E2=80=9D.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>-&nbsp;Section 9 is labelled =
=E2=80=9CRegistration consideration=E2=80=9D but talks about =E2=80=9Ctraf=
fic characterization=E2=80=9D&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>-&nbsp;What =E2=80=9CRegistration=E2=80=9D means here? capability =
registration? security services? and why it is related with traffic =
characterization should be described.</div></div><div style=3D"color: =
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class=3D"">Gabriel L=C3=B3pez Mill=C3=A1n<br class=3D"">Departamento de =
Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Informaci=C3=B3n y las Comunicaciones<br =
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+34 868888504<br class=3D"">Fax: +34 868884151<br =
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Dear all, please find some comments to the text

		=E2=80=A2 Section 3.1.1
			=E2=80=A2 Security gateways or VPNs =
concentrators could also be add to the list.
			=E2=80=A2 =E2=80=9CFor example, from an I2NSF =
perspective, there is no need to standardize on how firewall filters are =
created or applied.=E2=80=9D. It is not clear why ones need to be =
standardized and others no.
				=E2=80=A2 Does it means I2NSF aims to =
standardize the interface to control firewalls filters rather than the =
own firewalls filters? (just to clarify)

		=E2=80=A2 Section 3.1.9.
			=E2=80=A2 In addition to Rafa=E2=80=99s =
comments, I suggest this section should introduce first the security =
functions where key distribution is required. For example: securing =
routing protocols? IPsec flow protection channels? AAA protocols? Then, =
to discuss about the different approaches: a protocol-independent key =
table? a protocol-based approach?. It seems authors are proposing some =
kind of solution, but this is a problem-use-case document.
		=E2=80=A2 Section 3.2.2
			=E2=80=A2 =E2=80=9CNo standard technical =
characterization and/or APIs=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CNo standard =
interface=E2=80=9D.
				=E2=80=A2 Both texts talks about =
=E2=80=9Cstandard interfaces=E2=80=9D. Could they be merger? (just =
suggesting)
		=E2=80=A2 Section 3.1.7 and section 3.4 both talks about =
IDS/IPS/etc. profiles. Could they be combined or referenced?
		=E2=80=A2 Should 3.3 be 3.2.4? and 3.4 be 3.2.5? and 3.5 =
be 3.2.6?


Just my two cents.

Best regards, Gabi.


> El 3 oct 2016, a las 23:33, Rafa Marin Lopez <rafa@um.es> escribi=C3=B3:=

>=20
> Dear all:
>=20
> I have reviewed draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases and I have a =
few comments/questions (my apologies if these have been already =
discussed in the past).
>=20
> -----------------------
>=20
> Section 3.1.1
>=20
> -Security Functions in a DMZ. You refer to authentication and =
authorization but also AAA. Is this not redundant?
>=20
> -At first sight, there is no example of NSFs with flow based =
protection. That is, those that participate in the establishment of a =
security association to protect data traffic.
>=20
> Section 3.1.10
>=20
> - A general comment about this section is that the text seems to pay =
attention to routing. In our case, for example, we have an I-D to manage =
IPSec SAs based on SDNs =
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-abad-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-00=
). I guess this use case we present in our I-D is somehow included in =
the text =E2=80=9CConceptually, there must be an interface defined for =
routing/signaling protocols=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D but I am not sure. Could =
you clarify?
>=20
> - A suggestion I have is to revise this paragraph:
>=20
> =E2=80=9CWhile there are many key management methods and
>   key derivation functions (KDF), there is a lack of standard =
interface
>   to provision and manage keys.=E2=80=9D
>=20
> There is a lack not only to provision and manage keys but also to =
specify additional information (e.g. low level policies) or to fill =
certain information to manage, in the end, a security association. =
Additionally, I am not sure about the initial sentence "While there are =
many key management methods and key derivation functions (KDF)=E2=80=9D=E2=
=80=A6 what do you mean with this?
>=20
> Perhaps a possible modification would say:
>=20
> =E2=80=94-> While there are many key management methods and
>   cryptographic suites (e.g. encryption algorithms, key derivation =
functions, etc=E2=80=A6), there is a lack of standard interface
>   to provision and manage security associations.
>=20
>=20
> Regarding this paragraph:
>=20
> =E2=80=9CThe ability to utilize keys when routing protocols send or =
receive
>   messages will be enhanced by having an abstract key table maintained
>   by a security service.  Conceptually, there must be an interface
>   defined for routing/signaling protocols to make requests for
>   automated key management when it is being used, to notify the
>   protocols when keys become available in the key table.=E2=80=9D
>=20
> In my opinion, it seems going into a solution space: =E2=80=9Can =
abstract key table=E2=80=9D and a mechanism to =E2=80=9Cpull=E2=80=9D =
the keys, is this correct?. Why using this key table? Why using pull =
method so that the protocols know when the keys are available in the =
table?. Also, the text refers to routing protocols at the beginning. I =
would say that there must be an interface to configure security =
associations of any nature, no?.
>=20
> Section 4. In the use cases, there is no explicit text where key =
distribution is required. One may think that section 4.3.2 and, most =
probably, 4.3.3 may be related with key management (section 3.1.10). I =
mention this because our I-D focused on key management for IPSec SAs and =
VPNs is a term that may be associated to this.
>=20
> Section 7.
>=20
> When you mention AAA, are you referring to =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2904 ?
>=20
> ---------
>=20
> Best Regards.
>=20
>=20
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD
> Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC)
> Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia
> 30100 Murcia - Spain
> Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es
> -------------------------------------------------------
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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Departamento de Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Informaci=C3=B3n y las =
Comunicaciones
University of Murcia
Spain
Tel: +34 868888504
Fax: +34 868884151
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Dear all, please find some comments to the =
text</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>=E2=80=A2 Section 3.1.1<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">			=
</span>=E2=80=A2 Security gateways or VPNs concentrators could also be =
add to the list.<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">			=
</span>=E2=80=A2 =E2=80=9CFor example, from an I2NSF perspective, there =
is no need to standardize on how firewall filters are created or =
applied.=E2=80=9D. It is not clear why ones need to be standardized and =
others no.&nbsp;<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">				=
</span>=E2=80=A2 Does it means I2NSF aims to standardize the interface =
to control firewalls filters rather than the own firewalls filters? =
(just to clarify)<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">		</span>=E2=80=A2 Section =
3.1.9.&nbsp;<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">			=
</span>=E2=80=A2 In addition to Rafa=E2=80=99s comments, I suggest this =
section should introduce first the security functions where key =
distribution is required. For example: securing routing protocols? IPsec =
flow protection channels? AAA protocols? Then, to discuss about the =
different approaches: a protocol-independent key table? a protocol-based =
approach?. It seems authors are proposing some kind of solution, but =
this is a problem-use-case document.<br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>=E2=80=A2 Section 3.2.2<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">			=
</span>=E2=80=A2 =E2=80=9CNo standard technical characterization and/or =
APIs=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CNo standard interface=E2=80=9D.<br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">				</span>=E2=80=A2 =
Both texts talks about =E2=80=9Cstandard interfaces=E2=80=9D. Could they =
be merger? (just suggesting)<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>=E2=80=A2 Section 3.1.7 and section 3.4 both talks about =
IDS/IPS/etc. profiles. Could they be combined or referenced?<br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">		</span>=E2=80=A2 Should 3.3 be =
3.2.4? and 3.4 be 3.2.5? and 3.5 be 3.2.6?</div></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Just=
 my two cents.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Best regards, Gabi.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">El 3 oct 2016, a las 23:33, Rafa Marin Lopez =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rafa@um.es" class=3D"">rafa@um.es</a>&gt; =
escribi=C3=B3:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Dear all:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I have =
reviewed draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases and I have a few =
comments/questions (my apologies if these have been already discussed in =
the past).<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-----------------------<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Section 3.1.1<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">-Security Functions in a DMZ. You refer to authentication and =
authorization but also AAA. Is this not redundant?<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">-At first sight, there is no example of NSFs with flow based =
protection. That is, those that participate in the establishment of a =
security association to protect data traffic.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Section 3.1.10<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">- A general =
comment about this section is that the text seems to pay attention to =
routing. In our case, for example, we have an I-D to manage IPSec SAs =
based on SDNs (<a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-abad-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protec=
tion-00" =
class=3D"">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-abad-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-pro=
tection-00</a>). I guess this use case we present in our I-D is somehow =
included in the text =E2=80=9CConceptually, there must be an interface =
defined for routing/signaling protocols=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D but I am not =
sure. Could you clarify?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">- A suggestion I =
have is to revise this paragraph:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">=E2=80=9CWh=
ile there are many key management methods and<br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;key derivation functions (KDF), there is a lack of standard =
interface<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;to provision and manage keys.=E2=80=9D=
<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">There is a lack not only to provision and =
manage keys but also to specify additional information (e.g. low level =
policies) or to fill certain information to manage, in the end, a =
security association. Additionally, I am not sure about the initial =
sentence "While there are many key management methods and key derivation =
functions (KDF)=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6 what do you mean with this?<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Perhaps a possible modification would say:<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""> =E2=80=94-&gt; While there are many key =
management methods and<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;cryptographic suites =
(e.g. encryption algorithms, key derivation functions, etc=E2=80=A6), =
there is a lack of standard interface<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;to =
provision and manage security associations.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Regarding this paragraph:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">=E2=80=9CThe ability to utilize keys when routing protocols =
send or receive<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;messages will be enhanced by =
having an abstract key table maintained<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;by a =
security service. &nbsp;Conceptually, there must be an interface<br =
class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;defined for routing/signaling protocols to make =
requests for<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;automated key management when it =
is being used, to notify the<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;protocols when =
keys become available in the key table.=E2=80=9D<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">In my opinion, it seems going into a solution space: =E2=80=9Ca=
n abstract key table=E2=80=9D and a mechanism to =E2=80=9Cpull=E2=80=9D =
the keys, is this correct?. Why using this key table? Why using pull =
method so that the protocols know when the keys are available in the =
table?. Also, the text refers to routing protocols at the beginning. I =
would say that there must be an interface to configure security =
associations of any nature, no?.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Section 4. =
In the use cases, there is no explicit text where key distribution is =
required. One may think that section 4.3.2 and, most probably, 4.3.3 may =
be related with key management (section 3.1.10). I mention this because =
our I-D focused on key management for IPSec SAs and VPNs is a term that =
may be associated to this.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Section 7.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">When you mention AAA, are you referring to <a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2904" =
class=3D"">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2904</a> ? <br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">---------<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Best Regards.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">-------------------------------------------------------<br =
class=3D"">Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD<br class=3D"">Dept. Information and =
Communications Engineering (DIIC)<br class=3D"">Faculty of Computer =
Science-University of Murcia<br class=3D"">30100 Murcia - Spain<br =
class=3D"">Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: <a =
href=3D"mailto:rafa@um.es" class=3D"">rafa@um.es</a><br =
class=3D"">-------------------------------------------------------<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
class=3D"">I2nsf mailing list<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:I2nsf@ietf.org" class=3D"">I2nsf@ietf.org</a><br =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf<br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
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after-white-space;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">-----------------------------------------------------------<br =
class=3D"">Gabriel L=C3=B3pez Mill=C3=A1n<br class=3D"">Departamento de =
Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Informaci=C3=B3n y las Comunicaciones<br =
class=3D"">University of Murcia<br class=3D"">Spain<br class=3D"">Tel: =
+34 868888504<br class=3D"">Fax: +34 868884151<br =
class=3D"">email:&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:gabilm@um.es" =
class=3D"">gabilm@um.es</a><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline" =
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Hi Linda,
As a coauthor of this draft, I will answer your questions inline below.

On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

> Hyoungshick, et al,
>
>
>
> How would you position your draft-kim-i2nsf-security-management-architect=
ure-01
> with regard to the I2NSF framework draft? I find there are  a lot of
> duplicated content to the I2nsf framework draft.
>

 [Paul] We would like to merge our draft into the i2nsf framework draft
 because our draft has one depth more detailed architecture.
 This detailed architecture will be helpful to implement the i2nsf
framework.


>
> There are some differences,  such as the following: Are you trying to
> define how =E2=80=9Csecurity policy=E2=80=9D is structured?
>
>
>
>
>
 [Paul] Our architecture allows an NSF to update a low-level policy and
apply it to the related high-level policy
 via the control path of Security Controller and Policy Collector (renamed
Event Collector in version 02) in Figure 1
 of our version 02:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-security-management-architectur=
e-02

 For example, if an NSF of firewall detects a new DoS-attack host, it
reports the updated blacklist having
 the IP address of such a host to Application Logic in I2NSF Client via
Security Controller and Event Collector.
 Application Logic asks Policy Updater to disseminate the updated blacklist
to the security controllers
 under the administration of the same I2NSF Client.


> Will the =E2=80=9CHigh Level security management=E2=80=9D eventually lead=
 to Client Facing
> Policy data models?
>

 [Paul] Yes, as explained above, the High-level security management leads
to update and handle Client facing policy
 data models.

>
>
> Do you plan to define interfaces between all those components depicted in
> Figure 1?  The interfaces between some of those components are not really
> in the I2NSF WG current charter, such as =E2=80=9CSecurity Policy Manager=
=E2=80=9D <-> =E2=80=9CNSF
> Capability Manager=E2=80=9D,  or the interface between =E2=80=9CApplicati=
on Logic=E2=80=9D <->
> =E2=80=9CPolicy Updater=E2=80=9D.
>

 [Paul]  Yes, we have a plan to define such interfaces.


>
> Are those components in your current implementation? Is it like an
> =E2=80=9Cexample of one implementation=E2=80=9D?
>

 [Paul] Though those components are not fully implemented yet in our
implementation, my team at SKKU
 will make implement those components in a later version.

 Thanks for your clarification questions.

 Best Regards,
 Paul


>
>
>
>
> Thanks, Linda
>
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Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Software
Sungkyunkwan University
Office: +82-31-299-4957
Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Linda,<div>As a coauthor of this draft, I will answer y=
our questions inline below.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Linda Dunbar <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda=
.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-8080114567644017204WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hyoungshick, et al, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How would you position your draft-kim-i2nsf-security=
-<wbr>management-architecture-01 with regard to the I2NSF framework draft? =
I find there are=C2=A0 a lot of duplicated content to the I2nsf framework d=
raft.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0[Paul] We would=
 like to merge our draft into the i2nsf framework draft=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=
=A0because our draft has one depth more detailed architecture.</div><div>=
=C2=A0This detailed architecture will be helpful to implement the i2nsf fra=
mework.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-8080114567644017204Wo=
rdSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are some differences, =C2=A0such as the follow=
ing: Are you trying to define how =E2=80=9Csecurity policy=E2=80=9D is stru=
ctured? =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><img width=3D"630" height=3D"80" id=3D"gmail-m_-8080=
114567644017204Picture_x0020_1" src=3D"cid:image002.png@01D21F04.D52074D0">=
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0</p></div></div></blockquote><div>=C2=
=A0[Paul] Our architecture allows an NSF to update a low-level policy and a=
pply it to the related high-level policy</div><div>=C2=A0via the control pa=
th of Security Controller and Policy Collector (renamed Event Collector in =
version 02) in Figure 1</div><div>=C2=A0of our version 02:</div><div>=C2=A0=
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-security-management-=
architecture-02">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-security-manag=
ement-architecture-02</a></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0For example, if an=
 NSF of firewall detects a new DoS-attack host, it reports the updated blac=
klist having</div><div>=C2=A0the IP address of such a host to Application L=
ogic in I2NSF Client via Security Controller and Event Collector.=C2=A0</di=
v><div>=C2=A0Application Logic asks Policy Updater to disseminate the updat=
ed blacklist to the security controllers=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0under the ad=
ministration of the same I2NSF Client.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D=
"gmail-m_-8080114567644017204WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Will the =E2=80=9CHigh Level security management=E2=
=80=9D eventually lead to Client Facing Policy data models?</p></div></div>=
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0[Paul] Yes, as explained above, the =
High-level security management leads to update and handle Client facing pol=
icy=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0data models.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-8080114567644=
017204WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do you plan to define interfaces between all those c=
omponents depicted in Figure 1?=C2=A0 The interfaces between some of those =
components are not really in the I2NSF WG current charter, such as =E2=80=
=9CSecurity Policy Manager=E2=80=9D &lt;-&gt; =E2=80=9CNSF Capability Manag=
er=E2=80=9D,=C2=A0
 or the interface between =E2=80=9CApplication Logic=E2=80=9D &lt;-&gt; =E2=
=80=9CPolicy Updater=E2=80=9D.</p></div></div></blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div=
><div>=C2=A0[Paul] =C2=A0Yes, we have a plan to define such interfaces.</di=
v><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lan=
g=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-8080114567644017204WordSection1"><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Are those components in your current implementation?=
 Is it like an =E2=80=9Cexample of one implementation=E2=80=9D?</p></div></=
div></blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0[Paul] Though those components=
 are not fully implemented yet in our implementation, my team at SKKU=C2=A0=
</div><div>=C2=A0will make implement those components in a later version.<b=
r></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0Thanks for your clarification questions.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0Best Regards,</div><div>=C2=A0Paul</div><div=
>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div l=
ang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-8080114567644017204WordSection1"><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks, Linda <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>

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ss=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=
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r>Department of Software<br>Sungkyunkwan University<br>Office: +82-31-299-4=
957<br>Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">j=
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Hi all,
I have posted a revised i2nsf I-D:
- Title
   An Architecture for Security Management in I2NSF Framework

- File

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-security-management-architecture-02

- Abstract
   This document describes an architecture for security management in
   the Interface to Network Security Functions (I2NSF) framework.  This
   security management architecture consists of I2NSF Client, Security
   Management System (i.e., Security Controller and Developer's
   Management System), and Network Security Functions (NSFs) in the
   I2NSF framework.  I2NSF Client consists of Application Logic, Policy
   Updater, and Event Collector.  Security Controller consists of
   Security Policy Manager and NSF Capability Manager.  This document
   explains their missions and the processing of security management in
   a high level.  It also describes representative use cases, such as
   security management for the list of malware domains, security
   management for VoIP-VoLTE and time-dependent access control.

This draft will complement the i2nsf framework draft.

The changes from the previous version are as follows:
   o  This version reflects the framework for I2NSF in
      draft-ietf-i2nsf-framework-03.

   o  As a term change, Policy Collector is renamed Event Collector.

   o  A new use case for time-dependent access control is added.

   o  As a logic change, NSF generates an event rather than an updated
      low-level policy for a new security attack, and then sends it to
      Security Controller.

It will be great for you to give us comments or suggestions.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul
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Hi all,
I have posted a revised i2nsf I-D:
- Title
   Service Function Chaining-Enabled I2NSF Architecture

- File
   https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hyun-i2nsf-sfc-enabled-i2nsf-01

- Abstract
   This document describes an architecture of the I2NSF framework which
   enables traffic steering between NSFs for security policy
   enforcement.  Such traffic steering enables composite inspection of
   network traffic by steering the traffic through multiple types of
   security functions according to the information model for the NSF
   facing interface in the I2NSF framework.  This document explains the
   additional components integrated into the I2NSF framework and their
   functionalities to achieve NSF-triggered traffic steering.  It also
   describes representative use cases to address major benefits from the
   proposed architecture.

This draft will articulate the procedure of performing network security
functions
according to the information model of I2NSF capability interface:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-i2nsf-capability-interface-im-06

This draft proposes an NSF-triggered Traffic Steering Architecture
where the result of the execution of an NSF (e.g., firewall) for a packet
determines
the next NSF for the packet (e.g., DPI).

It also explains how to instantiate and eliminate an NSF through
Developer's Management System
(i.e., Security Vendor System) via Registration Interface. That is, the
proposed architecture
provides load balancing, auto supplementary NSF instance generation, and
the elimination of
unused NSF instances in the i2nsf framework.

The changes from the previous version are as follows:
   o  This version reflects the framework for I2NSF in
      draft-ietf-i2nsf-framework-03.

   o  As a term change, Security Function (SF) is replaced by Network
      Security Function (NSF).  As new terms, the following terms are
      added, such as Advanced Inspection/Action, NSF Profile, NSF
      Operation Manager, and Packet Forwarding Header.

   o  As an architecture change, the next NSF in service function
      chaining is determined by both the policy from I2NSF Client and
      the result of the current NSF.

   o  As a use case change, the first two use cases in the previous
      version is integrated into one use case.

It will be great for you to give us comments or suggestions.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div>I have posted a revised i2nsf I-D:<=
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v><div><br></div><div>- Abstract</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document descr=
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On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:
> Attached is the I2NSF Oct 5 interim slides.
>
>
>
> Here is the Etherpad:
> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/i2nsf-interim-2016-10-05

Hi Linda,

Was the webex session recorded? If yes, could you please share
a pointer?

I dont see my comments about slide 5 in the etherpad
so I want to reiterate on the list: I am working with Rafa and Gabi,
and they were unable to attend the interim meeting, though I
managed to do so. The answer to the question on slide 5 about
*ipsec-flow-protection,, which will focus on IPsec management

However, we are looking for your response to the question that
was sent to you offline. I am including that question here, in case
it slipped through the cracks due to its absence on the list.

Please provide the clarification requested below.

> Subject: Re: Next steps about SDN and IPSec
> From: Rafa Marin Lopez <rafa@um.es>
> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 23:59:14 +0200
> Cc: Rafa Marin Lopez <rafa@um.es>, Gabriel Lopez <gabilm@um.es>,
>         Sowmini Varadhan <sowmini.varadhan@oracle.com>,
>         David Carrel <dcarrel@viptela.com>
>
> Hi Linda:
> > El 30 sept 2016, a las 22:20, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> escribi
> >
> > Rafa,
> >
> > Is your draft to address the 3.1.10 of the I2NSF problem statement =
> > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases/)
>
> [Rafa] As you well know our I-D is focused on IPsec management.
> Nevertheless, we feel that i2nsf scope in key distribution is broader
> (though the current text in section 3.1.10 is perhaps focused on routing
> In this sense, our I-D is focused in the details of IPsec SAs, which is
> just one example of the  need of key distribution based on SDNs.
>
> Therefore, regarding your question, are you looking for a more general
> I-D to cover 3.1.10? Or would you expect several I-Ds covering different
> aspects of key distribution?
>
> > Please provide comment to the draft if the description is not quite
> > right. We are about to call WGLC for the revised version.
>
> [Rafa] Generally speaking, I think the text seems focused in routing. In
> any case, we can provide more detailed comments about this section in
> the mailing list.
>
> Best Regards.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Interface to Network Security Functions of the IETF.

        Title           : Requirements for Client-Facing Interface to Security Controller
        Authors         : Rakesh Kumar
                          Anil Lohiya
                          Dave Qi
                          Nabil Bitar
                          Senad Palislamovic
                          Liang Xia
	Filename        : draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req-01.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2016-10-09

Abstract:
   This document captures the requirements for the client-facing
   interface to security controller.  The interfaces are based on user-
   intent instead of developer-specific or device-centric approaches
   that would require deep knowledge of specific products and their
   security features.  The document identifies the requirements needed
   to enforce the user-intent based policies onto network security
   functions (NSFs) irrespective of how those functions are realized.
   The function may be physical or virtual in nature and may be
   implemented in networking or dedicated appliances.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
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Dear Linda:

Please see my comments inline.

> El 11 oct 2016, a las 0:13, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> =
escribi=C3=B3:
>=20
> Sowmini,=20
>=20
> Here are the answers to your questions are inserted below:=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sowmini Varadhan [mailto:sowmini05@gmail.com]=20
>=20
>=20
> Hi Linda,
>=20
> Was the webex session recorded? If yes, could you please share a =
pointer?
> [Linda] I am afraid that the session wasn't recorded properly.=20
>=20
> I dont see my comments about slide 5 in the etherpad so I want to =
reiterate on the list: I am working with Rafa and Gabi, and they were =
unable to attend the interim meeting, though I managed to do so. The =
answer to the question on slide 5 about *ipsec-flow-protection,, which =
will focus on IPsec management
>=20
> [Linda] Your draft "draft-xx-ipsec-flow-protection" needs more =
discussion to figure out if it belongs to Client facing interface =
related drafts or NSF facing related drafts.=20

[Rafa] In my opinion, NSF facing related drafts. In fact, =
draft-abad-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection focuses on the interaction =
between the security controller and the NSF.
>=20
>=20
> However, we are looking for your response to the question that was =
sent to you offline. I am including that question here, in case it =
slipped through the cracks due to its absence on the list.
>=20
> [Linda] My answers are inserted below:

[Rafa] Mine, as well. Please see inline.

>=20
> Please provide the clarification requested below.
>=20
>> Subject: Re: Next steps about SDN and IPSec
>> From: Rafa Marin Lopez <rafa@um.es>
>> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 23:59:14 +0200
>> Cc: Rafa Marin Lopez <rafa@um.es>, Gabriel Lopez <gabilm@um.es>,
>>        Sowmini Varadhan <sowmini.varadhan@oracle.com>,
>>        David Carrel <dcarrel@viptela.com>
>>=20
>> Hi Linda:
>>> El 30 sept 2016, a las 22:20, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>=20=

>>> escribi
>>>=20
>>> Rafa,
>>>=20
>>> Is your draft to address the 3.1.10 of the I2NSF problem statement =3D=

>>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-c
>>> ases/)
>>=20
>> [Rafa] As you well know our I-D is focused on IPsec management.
>> Nevertheless, we feel that i2nsf scope in key distribution is broader=20=

>> (though the current text in section 3.1.10 is perhaps focused on=20
>> routing In this sense, our I-D is focused in the details of IPsec =
SAs,=20
>> which is just one example of the  need of key distribution based on =
SDNs.
>>=20
>> Therefore, regarding your question, are you looking for a more =
general=20
>> I-D to cover 3.1.10? Or would you expect several I-Ds covering=20
>> different aspects of key distribution?
>=20
> [Linda]  Section 3.1.10 should be broader than your draft. As long as =
your draft fits in the description, it would be helpful if you can move =
your draft further with data model or (at least the information model).=20=


[Rafa] It definitely fits in the description. Therefore, following your =
advice we should work with data model and/or information model.
>=20
>>=20
>>> Please provide comment to the draft if the description is not quite=20=

>>> right. We are about to call WGLC for the revised version.
>>=20
>> [Rafa] Generally speaking, I think the text seems focused in routing.=20=

>> In any case, we can provide more detailed comments about this section=20=

>> in the mailing list.
>>=20
> [Linda] can you provide the suggested text for the section? That would =
be very helpful.=20

[Rafa] I already provided those suggestions, but we haven=E2=80=99t =
received any comments yet. Please see:

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/KYKDe3as2tNa4tqpl70y5vwphqw

Gabi also provided his comments in:

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/V1fdfzv4vPppuSQLzOMfWFnxYxk

Another suggestion is that, perhaps, this IPsec use case could be =
included somehow in section 4 as an example to cover "section 3.1.9 Lack =
of Mechanism for Dynamic Key Distribution to NSFs=E2=80=9D.

What do you think?.

Best Regards.


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>=20
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Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia
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Hi I2NSF,

Our charter says...

> The I2NSF working group's deliverables include:
>
> o A single document covering use cases, problem statement, and gap
>    analysis document. This document will initially be produced for reference
>    as a living list to track and record discussions: the working group may 
>    decide to not publish this document as an RFC.

We split this work into draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases  and
draft-ietf-i2nsf-gap-analysis.

It looks to me that the Problem Statement and Use Cases document is something
that the WG wants to push to RFC (please correct me if I'm wrong), but I am less
certain about the Gap Analysis.

While the Gap Analysis is good work and has definitely helped us understand our
direction, I don't see a lot of value in publishing it as an RFC. My proposal
is, therefore, to keep it alive as a WG draft while it is useful reference
material, and then to let it expire. Expired drafts still remain available in
the IETF Tools repository, so it would not be lost forever.

What do you all think?
Does someone have a strong reason to publish it as an RFC?

Thanks,
Adrian (per pro Linda)


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Working Group,

Linda and I would like to hear some more from you about
draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring.

Is it something you think we should be working on?
Should we have a separate YANG module for it or fold it into other modules?
If we produce a YANG module, do we still need to publish the information model?

And, most important, what do you think of the content of the draft?

Thanks,
Adrian


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I just sent some emails to the authors and editors of some of the WG drafts and
I got a few bounces.

Could you all please try to keep the drafts up-to-date with your current email
addresses, and could you also please look out for your co-authors.

Thanks,
Adrian


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>Is it something you think we should be working on?

Yes. Monitoring is very helpful for the network operators to understand
the network security state, and the dynamic running state of the Network
Security Function. The security analysis engine can utilize these
information to achieve better security management. It is a quite important
feature for I2NSF.

>If we produce a YANG module, do we still need to publish the information
>model?


Information model is the basic structure for YANG module, and other
modules.

Even we produce a YANG module, we still need to publish the information
model, since the information model is the basic block.

> And, most important, what do you think of the content of the draft?


It is a good document to start with.

About the contents of the draft, I have some suggestions:

1) I notice that for some data elements, it only lists some examples. It
will be better to list the enumerations. For example, message_type,
severity. 

2) For some elements, it is better to specify the data units. For example,
CPU_usage, memory_usage, disk_usage, disk_left.

Kind Regards
Kepeng

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>    Working Group,
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>    Linda and I would like to hear some more from you about
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>    Should we have a separate YANG module for it or fold it into other
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Adrian: 

Why: Monitoring is a key component to I2NSF for monitoring NSF devices.  
Monitoring is not the same as NSF devices sending notifications - which is a
push from the NSF devices.  Monitoring may encompasses specific requests to
the device.   Monitoring is different than the DOTS - "help me" cry from a
device under attack.
While I see the security ADs are proposing Security event, it is important
that the I2NSF create monitoring concepts that work with all of the
functions (e.g. querying capabilities, sending/receiving notification, and
events). 

Data model versus Information model:  Since we do not seem to have a clear
idea of what the data model should be, it is important to create the
informational models.  

The content of the draft is a good first step. 

Sue Hares 



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Working Group,

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Thanks, all, for the useful comments about this document.

It seems clear that there is support for developing this work and producing a
data model for monitoring.

Two points:

1. As noted by Sue, there is a BoF/WG planned for IETF-98 on "Security Events".
I suggest you go to that. I will also make sure the AD is aware of the potential
overlap/interaction.

2. It seems reasonable to me that producing an information model (such as in
draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring) is a useful step toward producing a
data model. I have no objection to using a structured approach. However, my
question about "publication" could be phrased as follows:
- Suppose we decide we want a data model for monitoring
- Suppose we use draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring to guide
   our work on that data model
- Suppose that we push ahead with the data model quite soon so
   that it starts to catch up with the info model
If all of those things apply, why would we need to publish an RFC that captures
the information model given that we will be publishing a data model shortly
afterwards?
Presumably, once the data model is published, no one will ever read the
information model.
So the information model would be a valuable document working document in which
the WG would capture its thoughts and consensus, but would be discarded once the
work to make the data model was complete.

Or am I wrong?

Thanks,
Adrian

> -----Original Message-----
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> Adrian:
> 
> Why: Monitoring is a key component to I2NSF for monitoring NSF devices.
> Monitoring is not the same as NSF devices sending notifications - which is a
> push from the NSF devices.  Monitoring may encompasses specific requests to
> the device.   Monitoring is different than the DOTS - "help me" cry from a
> device under attack.
> While I see the security ADs are proposing Security event, it is important
> that the I2NSF create monitoring concepts that work with all of the
> functions (e.g. querying capabilities, sending/receiving notification, and
> events).
> 
> Data model versus Information model:  Since we do not seem to have a clear
> idea of what the data model should be, it is important to create the
> informational models.
> 
> The content of the draft is a good first step.
> 
> Sue Hares
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Working Group,
> 
> Linda and I would like to hear some more from you about
> draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring.
> 
> Is it something you think we should be working on?
> Should we have a separate YANG module for it or fold it into other modules?
> If we produce a YANG module, do we still need to publish the information
> model?
> 
> And, most important, what do you think of the content of the draft?
> 
> Thanks,
> Adrian
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Hi,

Just wanted to flag
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring/ in the
context of the Security Event BoF/WG.

Not sure where this sits with the Security Event work, but I2NSF seems to see
the draft as fairly important.

Cheers,
Adrian


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Adrian,

So where this might fit together is that SET simply profiles JWT so that =
an event can be expressed in secureable JSON format. We define only a =
set of attributes necessary to validate and secure events, but pretty =
much leave the data of the event up to =E2=80=9Cprofiling=E2=80=9D =
specifications that build on it.

A number of us ended up bringing this together because there was a =
number of independent efforts to express very different events doing =
almost the same thing.

=46rom my quick scan, one of the options would be that these events =
could be expressed as a profile of SET.

I plan to do the same for SCIM, as does RISC, etc.  The OpenID Logout =
specs already use SET.


Phil

@independentid
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> On Oct 14, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> =
wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> Just wanted to flag
> =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring/ =
in the
> context of the Security Event BoF/WG.
>=20
> Not sure where this sits with the Security Event work, but I2NSF seems =
to see
> the draft as fairly important.
>=20
> Cheers,
> Adrian
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class=3D"">Adrian,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So =
where this might fit together is that SET simply profiles JWT so that an =
event can be expressed in secureable JSON format. We define only a set =
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leave the data of the event up to =E2=80=9Cprofiling=E2=80=9D =
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class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=46rom my quick scan, =
one of the options would be that these events could be expressed as a =
profile of SET.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I plan to do the same for SCIM, as does RISC, etc. &nbsp;The =
OpenID Logout specs already use SET.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div=
 class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: =
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orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
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style=3D"border-collapse: separate; line-height: normal; border-spacing: =
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space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Phil</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">@independentid</div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.independentid.com" =
class=3D"">www.independentid.com</a></div></div></div></div></span><a =
href=3D"mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com" class=3D"" style=3D"orphans: 2; =
widows: 2;">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 14, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Adrian Farrel &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" class=3D"">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Hi,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Just wanted to flag<br =
class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-moni=
toring/" =
class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-m=
onitoring/</a> in the<br class=3D"">context of the Security Event =
BoF/WG.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Not sure where this sits with the =
Security Event work, but I2NSF seems to see<br class=3D"">the draft as =
fairly important.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Cheers,<br =
class=3D"">Adrian<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
class=3D"">Id-event mailing list<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:Id-event@ietf.org" class=3D"">Id-event@ietf.org</a><br =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event<br =
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Linda,
Thanks for your kind answers.

I will work on the new definition of Capability.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul



On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

> Paul,
>
>
>
> As the result of Sept 13 Interim meeting, we have decided to use the
> following term, i.e. =E2=80=9CCapability=E2=80=9D Defines a set of featur=
es which  can be
> queried on both NSF Facing interface and Client Facing interface.
>
>
>
> The NSF facing data model is on attributes and rules that are
> implementable by NSFs. The Client Facing Data Model can use more abstract
> rules (as long as those rules can be translated to the implementable rule=
s
> with the assistance of category or database)
>
>
>
> OLD:
>
>    Capability:  Defines a set of features that are available from a
>
>       managed entity (see also I2NSF Capability). Examples of "managed
>
>       entities" are NSFs and Controllers, where NSF Capabilities and
>
>       Controller Capabilities define functionality of an NSF and about
>
>       Controller, respectively. These functions may, but do not have
>
>       to, be used. All Capabilities are announced through the
>
>       Registration Interface.
>
>
>
>    Capability Interface:  An interface dedicated to requesting,
>
>       receiving, editing, and deleting capability information.
>
> NEW:
>
>    Capability:  Defines a set of features that are available from a
>
>       managed entity (see also I2NSF Capability). Examples of "managed
>
>       entities" are NSFs and Controllers, where NSF Capabilities and
>
>       Controller Capabilities define functionality of an NSF and about
>
>       Controller, respectively. These functions may, but do not have
>
>       to, be used. All Capabilities are announced through the
>
>       Registration Interface and are communicated through either
>
>       the Consumer-Facing Interface or the NSF-Facing Interface.
>
>
>
> Capability Interface would then be deleted.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong [mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 8:11 PM
> *To:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> *Cc:* Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong <
> pauljeong@skku.edu>; John Strassner <John.sc.Strassner@huawei.com>
> *Subject:* Re: just to want to reiterate the conclusion of today's
> interim:
>
>
>
> Hi Linda and John,
>
> Could you respond to my previous question on data models?
>
>
>
> After your comments, Susan and I will work on the data models.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Linda and John,
>
> Could you clarify capability data model and NSF facing data model?
>
>
>
> As I understand, the capability data model describes security services in
> NSFs,
>
> such as network security (e.g., firewall), content security (e.g., DPI),
> and attack mitigation (e.g., DDoS-attack mitigator).
>
>
>
> How is NSF facing data model different from Capability data model?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Linda,
> I agree on your suggestion.
> I will discuss with Sue how to merge two drafts and split them.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best Regards,
> Paul
>
>
>
> 2016. 10. 5. =EC=98=A4=ED=9B=84 6:30=EC=97=90 "Linda Dunbar" <linda.dunba=
r@huawei.com>=EB=8B=98=EC=9D=B4 =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1:
>
>
>
> Sue and Paul,
>
>
>
> Thank you very much for revising the drafts.
>
> Want to reiterate what you have agreed:
>
>
>
> you are going to merge the two drafts below, and split into
> "draft-xx-i2nsf-capability-data-model" and "draft-xx-i2nsf-NSF-facing-
> data-model"
>
> =C2=B7        =E2=80=93draft-hares-i2nsf-capability-yang-01
>
> =C2=B7        =E2=80=93draft-jeong-i2nsf-capability-interface-yang-03
>
>
>
> Thank you very much.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D
> Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Software
> Sungkyunkwan University
> Office: +82-31-299-4957
> Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
> Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
> <http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D
> Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Software
> Sungkyunkwan University
> Office: +82-31-299-4957
> Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
> Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
> <http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php>
>



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Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Software
Sungkyunkwan University
Office: +82-31-299-4957
Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Linda,<div>Thanks for your kind answers.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>I will work on the new definition of Capability.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div>Paul</div><=
div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Linda Dunbar <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">l=
inda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_4174212550202092268WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Paul,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">As the result of Sept 13 Interim meet=
ing, we have decided to use the following term, i.e. =E2=80=9CCapability=E2=
=80=9D
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif">Defines a set of features</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> which =C2=A0can be =
queried on both NSF Facing interface and Client Facing interface.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The NSF facing data model is on attri=
butes and rules that are implementable by NSFs. The Client Facing Data Mode=
l can use more abstract rules (as long as those
 rules can be translated to the implementable rules with the assistance of =
category or database)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">OLD:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Capability:=C2=A0 Defines a set of fea=
tures that are available from a<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 managed entity (see =
also I2NSF Capability). Examples of &quot;managed<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 entities&quot; are N=
SFs and Controllers, where NSF Capabilities and<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Controller Capabilit=
ies define functionality of an NSF and about<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Controller, respecti=
vely. These functions may, but do not have<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 to, be used. All Cap=
abilities are announced through the<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Registration Interfa=
ce.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Capability Interface:=C2=A0 An interfa=
ce dedicated to requesting,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 receiving, editing, =
and deleting capability information.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">NEW:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Capability:=C2=A0 Defines a set of fea=
tures that are available from a<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 managed entity (see =
also I2NSF Capability). Examples of &quot;managed<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 entities&quot; are N=
SFs and Controllers, where NSF Capabilities and<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Controller Capabilit=
ies define functionality of an NSF and about<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Controller, respecti=
vely. These functions may, but do not have<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 to, be used. All Cap=
abilities are announced through the<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Registration Interfa=
ce and are communicated through either<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the Consumer-Facing =
Interface or the NSF-Facing Interface.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">Capability Interface would then be deleted.<u></u><=
u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_4174212550202092268__MailEndCompose"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:#1f497d">Linda<u></u><u></u></span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong [mailto=
:<a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@g=
mail.com</a><wbr>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 13, 2016 8:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;; Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pa=
uljeong@skku.edu" target=3D"_blank">pauljeong@skku.edu</a>&gt;; John Strass=
ner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:John.sc.Strassner@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">J=
ohn.sc.Strassner@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: just to want to reiterate the conclusion of today&#39;s=
 interim:<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Linda and John,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Could you respond to my previous question on data mo=
dels?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">After your comments, Susan and I will work on the da=
ta models.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Paul<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul J=
eong &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoo=
n.paul@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Linda and John,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Could you clarify capability data model and NSF faci=
ng data model?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As I understand, the capability data model describes=
 security services in NSFs,=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">such as network security (e.g., firewall), content s=
ecurity (e.g., DPI), and attack mitigation (e.g., DDoS-attack mitigator).<u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How is NSF facing data model different from Capabili=
ty data model?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Paul<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeo=
ng &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.=
paul@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<p>Linda,<br>
I agree on your suggestion.<br>
I will discuss with Sue how to merge two drafts and split them.<u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p>Thanks.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Best Regards,<br>
Paul<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">2016. 10. 5. <span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:SimSun">=EC=98=A4=ED=9B=84</span> 6:30<span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font=
-family:SimSun">=EC=97=90</span> &quot;Linda Dunbar&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>=
&gt;<span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-family:SimSun">=EB=8B=98=EC=9D=B4</s=
pan><span lang=3D"ZH-CN">
</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-family:SimSun">=EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1=
</span>:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:9.6pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Sue and=
 Paul, </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:9.6pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=C2=A0<=
/span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:9.6pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Thank y=
ou very much for revising the drafts.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:9.6pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Want to=
 reiterate what you have agreed:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:9.6pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=C2=A0<=
/span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:9.6pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">you are=
 going to merge the two drafts below, and split into &quot;draft-xx-i2nsf-c=
apability-<wbr>data-model&quot; and &quot;draft-xx-i2nsf-NSF-facing-<wbr>da=
ta-model&quot;</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Assistant Professor<br>
Department of Software<br>
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Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>
Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.=
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Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.<br>
Assistant Professor<br>
Department of Software<br>
Sungkyunkwan University<br>
Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>
Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.=
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John,

There are two types of interface described in I2NSF framework:

-        one is NSF facing interface, over which  rules  or policies can be=
 expressed based on ports/IP addresses for packets traversing through a NSF=
;

-        another is the interface for Clients, users, tenants, to express/q=
uery rules that are expressed in users own ID, address domains, etc. Common=
ly called "Client facing interface".

You have suggested to use "Consumer facing Interface". But the definition o=
f "Consumer" in I2NSF Terminology -01, doesn't really reflect the idea of r=
ules being expressed from the perspective of clients or users.

If we use this terminology, "Consumer" interface can also face NSFs as well=
.


  Consumer:  A Consumer is a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF
      Component that can receive information from another I2NSF
      Component.  See also:  Provider, Role.


Can you clarify ?

Thanks, Linda

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are two types of interface described in I2NSF =
framework:
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7=
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</span></span><![endif]>one is NSF facing interface, over which &nbsp;rules=
 &nbsp;or policies can be expressed based on ports/IP addresses for packets=
 traversing through a NSF;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in=
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7=
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</span></span><![endif]>another is the interface for Clients, users, tenant=
s, to express/query rules that are expressed in users own ID, address domai=
ns, etc. Commonly called &#8220;Client facing interface&#8221;.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You have suggested to use &#8220;Consumer facing Int=
erface&#8221;. But the definition of &#8220;Consumer&#8221; in I2NSF Termin=
ology -01, doesn&#8217;t really reflect the idea of rules being expressed f=
rom the perspective of clients or users.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If we use this terminology, &#8220;Consumer&#8221; i=
nterface can also face NSFs as well.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;Consumer:&nbsp; =
A Consumer is a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; Component that can receive information from another I2NSF<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Component.&nbsp; See also: =
&nbsp;Provider, Role.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Can you clarify ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Thanks, Linda</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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John,

Maybe we should call it "customer-facing-interface" instead of "consumer-fa=
cing-interface"?

Linda

From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:23 PM
To: John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com>
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Subject: [I2nsf] Definition for "Consumer" in I2NSF terminology , in the co=
ntext of "Client Facing Interface"

John,

There are two types of interface described in I2NSF framework:

-        one is NSF facing interface, over which  rules  or policies can be=
 expressed based on ports/IP addresses for packets traversing through a NSF=
;

-        another is the interface for Clients, users, tenants, to express/q=
uery rules that are expressed in users own ID, address domains, etc. Common=
ly called "Client facing interface".

You have suggested to use "Consumer facing Interface". But the definition o=
f "Consumer" in I2NSF Terminology -01, doesn't really reflect the idea of r=
ules being expressed from the perspective of clients or users.

If we use this terminology, "Consumer" interface can also face NSFs as well=
.


  Consumer:  A Consumer is a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF
      Component that can receive information from another I2NSF
      Component.  See also:  Provider, Role.


Can you clarify ?

Thanks, Linda

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">John, <o:p></o:p></spa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Maybe we should call i=
t &#8220;customer-facing-interface&#8221; instead of &#8220;consumer-facing=
-interface&#8221;?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Linda<o:p></o:p></span=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] <=
b>On Behalf Of
</b>Linda Dunbar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 17, 2016 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Strassner &lt;strazpdj@gmail.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> i2nsf@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [I2nsf] Definition for &quot;Consumer&quot; in I2NSF termin=
ology , in the context of &quot;Client Facing Interface&quot;<o:p></o:p></p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are two types of interface described in I2NSF =
framework:
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7=
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</span></span><![endif]>one is NSF facing interface, over which &nbsp;rules=
 &nbsp;or policies can be expressed based on ports/IP addresses for packets=
 traversing through a NSF;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7=
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</span></span><![endif]>another is the interface for Clients, users, tenant=
s, to express/query rules that are expressed in users own ID, address domai=
ns, etc. Commonly called &#8220;Client facing interface&#8221;.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You have suggested to use &#8220;Consumer facing Int=
erface&#8221;. But the definition of &#8220;Consumer&#8221; in I2NSF Termin=
ology -01, doesn&#8217;t really reflect the idea of rules being expressed f=
rom the perspective of clients or users.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If we use this terminology, &#8220;Consumer&#8221; i=
nterface can also face NSFs as well.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;Consumer:&nbsp; =
A Consumer is a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; Component that can receive information from another I2NSF<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Component.&nbsp; See also: =
&nbsp;Provider, Role.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Can you clarify ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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Rafa: 
See my comments on the fixes below.  I'm going to resolve other comments,
and then send out version 2. Please review version 2 went it uploads to see
if I understood all your comments. 
 
Sue 
 
==============
 
I have reviewed draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases and I have a few
comments/questions (my apologies if these have been already discussed in the
past)
-----------------------
Section 3.1.1
 
-Security Functions in a DMZ. You refer to authentication and authorization
but also AAA. Is this not redundant?
[Sue]: Yes, I have changed it. 
 
-At first sight, there is no example of NSFs with flow based protection.
That is, those that participate in the establishment of a security
association to protect data traffic.
[Sue]: You are right, I have augmented the paragraph. 
 
Section 3.1.10
- A general comment about this section is that the text seems to pay
attention to routing. In our case, for example, we have an I-D to manage
IPSec SAs based on SDNs
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-abad-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-00).
I guess this use case we present in our I-D is somehow included in the text
"Conceptually, there must be an interface defined for routing/signaling
protocols." but I am not sure. Could you clarify?
[Sue]: I2NSF should include both IPSEC SAs and routing in section 3.1.10.  
- A suggestion I have is to revise this paragraph:
"While there are many key management methods and
   key derivation functions (KDF), there is a lack of standard interface
   to provision and manage keys."
 
There is a lack not only to provision and manage keys but also to specify
additional information (e.g. low level policies) or to fill certain
information to manage, in the end, a security association. Additionally, I
am not sure about the initial sentence "While there are many key management
methods and key derivation functions (KDF)". what do you mean with this?
 
Perhaps a possible modification would say:
 
 --> While there are many key management methods and
   cryptographic suites (e.g. encryption algorithms, key derivation
functions, etc.), there is a lack of standard interface
   to provision and manage security associations.
[Sue]: I accept this rewrite for version -02.txt 
 
Regarding this paragraph:
 
"The ability to utilize keys when routing protocols send or receive
   messages will be enhanced by having an abstract key table maintained
   by a security service.  Conceptually, there must be an interface
   defined for routing/signaling protocols to make requests for
   automated key management when it is being used, to notify the
   protocols when keys become available in the key table."
 
In my opinion, it seems going into a solution space: "an abstract key table"
and a mechanism to "pull" the keys, is this correct?. Why using this key
table? Why using pull method so that the protocols know when the keys are
available in the table?. Also, the text refers to routing protocols at the
beginning. I would say that there must be an interface to configure security
associations of any nature, no?.
[sue]: yes, it is an example. I will add text that indicates this is an
example.   Good catch on a confusing text. 
 
Section 4. In the use cases, there is no explicit text where key
distribution is required. One may think that section 4.3.2 and, most
probably, 4.3.3 may be related with key management (section 3.1.10). I
mention this because our I-D focused on key management for IPSec SAs and
VPNs is a term that may be associated to this.
[Sue]: I've added text in version 2.  Please confirm that 
 
Section 7.
When you mention AAA, are you referring to
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2904 ? 
[sue]: RFC 2904 fits.  Was it important to tie this down to the RFC level?
If so, I can add this RFC.  
 
---------
 
Best Regards.
 
 
-------------------------------------------------------
Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD
Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC)
Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia
30100 Murcia - Spain
Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es
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<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>See my comments on the =
fixes below. &nbsp;I&#8217;m going to resolve other comments, and then =
send out version 2. Please review version 2 went it uploads to see if I =
understood all your comments. <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>Sue =
<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>I have reviewed =
draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases and I have a few =
comments/questions (my apologies if these have been already discussed in =
the past)<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>-----------------------<o:p>=
</o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>Section =
3.1.1<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>-Security Functions in a =
DMZ. You refer to authentication and authorization but also AAA. Is this =
not redundant?<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>[Sue]: Yes, I have changed =
it. <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>-At first sight, there is =
no example of NSFs with flow based protection. That is, those that =
participate in the establishment of a security association to protect =
data traffic.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>[Sue]: You are right, I =
have augmented the paragraph. <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>Section =
3.1.10<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>- A general comment about =
this section is that the text seems to pay attention to routing. In our =
case, for example, we have an I-D to manage IPSec SAs based on SDNs =
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-abad-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-0=
0). I guess this use case we present in our I-D is somehow included in =
the text &#8220;Conceptually, there must be an interface defined for =
routing/signaling protocols&#8230;&#8221; but I am not sure. Could you =
clarify?<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>[Sue]: I2NSF should include =
both IPSEC SAs and routing in section 3.1.10.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>- A suggestion I have is to =
revise this paragraph:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>&#8220;While there are many =
key management methods and<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>&nbsp;&nbsp; key derivation =
functions (KDF), there is a lack of standard =
interface<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>&nbsp;&nbsp; to provision =
and manage keys.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>There is a lack not only to =
provision and manage keys but also to specify additional information =
(e.g. low level policies) or to fill certain information to manage, in =
the end, a security association. Additionally, I am not sure about the =
initial sentence &quot;While there are many key management methods and =
key derivation functions (KDF)&#8221;&#8230; what do you mean with =
this?<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>Perhaps a possible =
modification would say:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'> &#8212;-&gt; While there =
are many key management methods and<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>&nbsp;&nbsp; cryptographic =
suites (e.g. encryption algorithms, key derivation functions, =
etc&#8230;), there is a lack of standard =
interface<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>&nbsp;&nbsp; to provision =
and manage security associations.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>[Sue]: I accept this =
rewrite for version -02.txt <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>Regarding this =
paragraph:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>&#8220;The ability to =
utilize keys when routing protocols send or =
receive<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>&nbsp;&nbsp; messages will =
be enhanced by having an abstract key table =
maintained<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>&nbsp;&nbsp; by a security =
service.&nbsp; Conceptually, there must be an =
interface<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>&nbsp;&nbsp; defined for =
routing/signaling protocols to make requests =
for<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>&nbsp;&nbsp; automated key =
management when it is being used, to notify =
the<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>&nbsp;&nbsp; protocols when =
keys become available in the key =
table.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>In my opinion, it seems =
going into a solution space: &#8220;an abstract key table&#8221; and a =
mechanism to &#8220;pull&#8221; the keys, is this correct?. Why using =
this key table? Why using pull method so that the protocols know when =
the keys are available in the table?. Also, the text refers to routing =
protocols at the beginning. I would say that there must be an interface =
to configure security associations of any nature, =
no?.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>[sue]: yes, it is an =
example. I will add text that indicates this is an example.&nbsp; =
&nbsp;Good catch on a confusing text. <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>Section 4. In the use =
cases, there is no explicit text where key distribution is required. One =
may think that section 4.3.2 and, most probably, 4.3.3 may be related =
with key management (section 3.1.10). I mention this because our I-D =
focused on key management for IPSec SAs and VPNs is a term that may be =
associated to this.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>[Sue]: I&#8217;ve added =
text in version 2.&nbsp; Please confirm that =
<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>Section =
7.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>When you mention AAA, are =
you referring to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2904 ? =
<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>[sue]: RFC 2904 fits.&nbsp; =
Was it important to tie this down to the RFC level?&nbsp; If so, I can =
add this RFC. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>---------<o:p></o:p></span><=
/pre><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>Best =
Regards.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
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style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pr=
e><pre style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>----------------------------=
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style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>Rafael Marin Lopez, =
PhD<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>Dept. Information and =
Communications Engineering (DIIC)<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>Faculty of Computer =
Science-University of Murcia<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:Consolas;color:#333333'>30100 Murcia - =
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style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;background:white'><span =
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Hi Linda,

I'm happy to change the definition of Consumer if you like - I wrote it to =
be as generic as possible. However, since you are asking, please compare th=
e definitions from three sources for consumer vs. client, and then tell me =
if you really want to change consumer to client.

I for one do not - as explained in the last IETF, it connotes "client-serve=
r" computing, and my implementation will be distributed. Plus, client gener=
ally means customer, which is fine for **users** but not fine for other typ=
es of entities (e.g., agents, intermediaries, etc.).

If you do want to change consumer, then I would propose adding a simple exp=
lanatory line, such as:

Consumer:  A Consumer is a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF
      Component that can receive information from another I2NSF
      Component.  Examples include end-users and agents.
      See also:  Provider, Role.


Wikipedia's definition of consumer:

A consumer is a person or organization that uses economic services<https://=
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_(economics)> or commodities<https://en.wikipe=
dia.org/wiki/Commodity>.[1]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer#cite_not=
e-1>

Merriam-Webster's definition of consumer:

*         : a person who buys goods and services

Dictionary.com's definition of consumer:
1.
a person or thing that consumes<http://www.dictionary.com/browse/consume>.
2.
Economics. a person or organization that uses a commodity or service.


The same three definitions for **client**

Wikipedia's definition of client:

  *   Client (computing)<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client_(computing)>,=
 hardware or software that accesses a remote service on another computer
  *   Customer<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customer> or client, a recipie=
nt of goods or services in return for monetary or other valuable considerat=
ions

Merriam-Webster's definition of client:
Full Definition of client

1.      1 :  one that is under the protection of another :  dependent<http:=
//www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dependent>

2.      2 a :  a person who engages the professional advice or services of =
another <a lawyer's clients> b :  customer<http://www.merriam-webster.com/d=
ictionary/customer> <hotel clients> c :  a person served by or utilizing th=
e services of a social agency <a welfare client> d :  a computer in a netwo=
rk that uses the services (as access to files or shared peripherals) provid=
ed by a server

Dictionary.com's definition of client:

noun
1.
a person or group that uses the professional advice or services of a lawyer=
, accountant, advertising agency, architect, etc.
2.
a person who is receiving the benefits, services, etc., of a social welfare=
 agency, a government bureau, etc.
3.
a customer.
4.
anyone under the patronage of another; a dependent.
5.
Computers. a computer or an application on a computer that communicates wit=
h a remote server:



From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:23 PM
To: John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com>
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org
Subject: [I2nsf] Definition for "Consumer" in I2NSF terminology , in the co=
ntext of "Client Facing Interface"

John,

There are two types of interface described in I2NSF framework:

-          one is NSF facing interface, over which  rules  or policies can =
be expressed based on ports/IP addresses for packets traversing through a N=
SF;

-          another is the interface for Clients, users, tenants, to express=
/query rules that are expressed in users own ID, address domains, etc. Comm=
only called "Client facing interface".

You have suggested to use "Consumer facing Interface". But the definition o=
f "Consumer" in I2NSF Terminology -01, doesn't really reflect the idea of r=
ules being expressed from the perspective of clients or users.

If we use this terminology, "Consumer" interface can also face NSFs as well=
.


  Consumer:  A Consumer is a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF
      Component that can receive information from another I2NSF
      Component.  See also:  Provider, Role.


Can you clarify ?

Thanks, Linda

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<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Linda,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;m happy to cha=
nge the definition of Consumer if you like &#8211; I wrote it to be as gene=
ric as possible. However, since you are asking, please compare the definiti=
ons from three sources for consumer vs. client,
 and then tell me if you really want to change consumer to client.<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I for one do not &#821=
1; as explained in the last IETF, it connotes &#8220;client-server&#8221; c=
omputing, and my implementation will be distributed. Plus, client generally=
 means customer, which is fine for **users** but not fine
 for other types of entities (e.g., agents, intermediaries, etc.).<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">If you do want to chan=
ge consumer, then I would propose adding a simple explanatory line, such as=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Consumer:&nbsp; A Consumer i=
s a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; Component that can receive information from another I2NSF<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Component.&nbsp;
<span style=3D"color:red">Examples include end-users and agents.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"=
>See also: &nbsp;Provider, Role.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Wikipedia&#8217;s defi=
nition of consumer:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span lang=3D"EN">A <b>consumer</b> is a per=
son or organization that uses
</span></a><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_(economics)" ti=
tle=3D"Service (economics)"><span lang=3D"EN">economic services</span></a><=
span lang=3D"EN"> or
</span><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity" title=3D"Commodi=
ty"><span lang=3D"EN">commodities</span></a><span lang=3D"EN">.</span><sup =
id=3D"cite_ref-1"></sup><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer#c=
ite_note-1"><sup><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;color:blue">[1]=
</span></sup></a><span lang=3D"EN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Merriam-Webster&#8217;=
s definition of consumer:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"definition-inner-item" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.=
25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times=
 New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span class=3D"intro-colon">:</span> a perso=
n who buys goods and services
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dictionary.com&#8217;s=
 definition of consumer:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><span class=3D"def-numb=
er1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:#666666">1.</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#666666"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#666666">a person=
 or thing that
</span><a href=3D"http://www.dictionary.com/browse/consume"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">consumes</span=
></a><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:#666666">.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><span class=3D"def-numb=
er1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:#666666">2.</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#666666"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><span class=3D"dbox-ita=
lic1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#666666">Economics.
</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quo=
t;,sans-serif;color:#666666">a person or organization that uses a commodity=
 or service.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The same three definit=
ions for **client**
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Wikipedia&#8217;s defi=
nition of client:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5">
<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client_(computing)" title=3D"Clien=
t (computing)"><span lang=3D"EN">Client (computing)</span></a><span lang=3D=
"EN">, hardware or software that accesses a remote service on another compu=
ter</span><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" st=
yle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level=
1 lfo5">
<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customer" title=3D"Customer"><span=
 lang=3D"EN">Customer</span></a><span lang=3D"EN"> or client, a recipient o=
f goods or services in return for monetary or other valuable considerations=
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Merriam-Webster&#8217;=
s definition of client:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<h2>Full Definition of <i>client</i> <o:p></o:p></h2>
<p class=3D"definition-inner-item" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.=
25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><em>1</em> <span class=3D"intro-colon">:</span>&nbs=
p; one that is under the protection of another
<span class=3D"intro-colon">:</span>&nbsp; <a href=3D"http://www.merriam-we=
bster.com/dictionary/dependent">
dependent</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"definition-inner-item" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.=
25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><em>2</em> <em>a</em> <span class=3D"intro-colon">:=
</span>&nbsp; a person who engages the professional advice or services of a=
nother
<em>&lt;a lawyer's clients&gt;</em> <em>b</em> <span class=3D"intro-colon">=
:</span>&nbsp; <a href=3D"http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/custome=
r">
customer</a> <em>&lt;hotel clients&gt;</em> <em>c</em> <span class=3D"intro=
-colon">:</span>&nbsp; a person served by or utilizing the services of a so=
cial agency
<em>&lt;a welfare client&gt;</em> <em>d</em> <span class=3D"intro-colon">:<=
/span>&nbsp; a computer in a network that uses the services (as access to f=
iles or shared peripherals) provided by a server<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dictionary.com&#8217;s=
 definition of client:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:15.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#666666">noun</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-ser=
if;color:#666666">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#666666">1.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#666666">a person=
 or group that uses the professional advice or services of a lawyer, accoun=
tant, advertising agency, architect, etc.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#666666">2.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#666666">a person=
 who is receiving the benefits, services, etc., of a social welfare agency,=
 a government bureau, etc.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#666666">3.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#666666">a custom=
er.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#666666">4.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#666666">anyone u=
nder the patronage of another; a dependent.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#666666">5.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:16.5pt"><i><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#666666">Compu=
ters.
</span></i><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,=
sans-serif;color:#666666">a computer or an application on a computer that c=
ommunicates with a remote server:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] <=
b>On Behalf Of
</b>Linda Dunbar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 17, 2016 1:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Strassner &lt;strazpdj@gmail.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> i2nsf@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [I2nsf] Definition for &quot;Consumer&quot; in I2NSF termin=
ology , in the context of &quot;Client Facing Interface&quot;<o:p></o:p></p=
>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are two types of interface described in I2NSF =
framework:
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7=
.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>one is NSF facing interface, over which &nbsp;rules=
 &nbsp;or policies can be expressed based on ports/IP addresses for packets=
 traversing through a NSF;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in=
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</span></span><![endif]>another is the interface for Clients, users, tenant=
s, to express/query rules that are expressed in users own ID, address domai=
ns, etc. Commonly called &#8220;Client facing interface&#8221;.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You have suggested to use &#8220;Consumer facing Int=
erface&#8221;. But the definition of &#8220;Consumer&#8221; in I2NSF Termin=
ology -01, doesn&#8217;t really reflect the idea of rules being expressed f=
rom the perspective of clients or users.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If we use this terminology, &#8220;Consumer&#8221; i=
nterface can also face NSFs as well.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;Consumer:&nbsp; =
A Consumer is a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; Component that can receive information from another I2NSF<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Component.&nbsp; See also: =
&nbsp;Provider, Role.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Can you clarify ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Thanks, Linda</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Subject: [I2nsf] The (in)famous Capability Interface
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Hi all,

recently, a number of questions have been raised about the Capability
Interface. There are two sources of confusion:

   1) What, exactly, is an "interface"? Can we use a different word instead
of interface?
   2) Why do we need another interface (or similar word)?

Clarifying the first issue.
A number of people have stated that to them, an "interface" is synonymous
with "communication". This is NOT what was meant when this I-D was written.
Indeed, the definition of Interface, from that I-D, is as follows:

   Interface:  A set of operations one object knows it can invoke on,
      and expose to, another object.  It is a subset of all operations
      that a given object implements.  The same object may have multiple
      types of interfaces to serve different purposes.  An example of
      multiple interfaces can be seen by considering the interfaces
      include a firewall uses; these include:
         *  multiple interfaces for data packets to traverse through,
         *  an interface for a controller to impose policy, or retrieve
            the results of execution of a policy rule.
      See also: Consumer Interface, I2NSF Interface, Provider Interface

Note that the above definition implies a **shared boundary** across which
two entities send and/or receive data. In other words, what's important is
the set of standard operations that can be invoked, and **not** the fact
that this is a form of communication.

Clarifying the second issue.
The reason that a separate interface for exchanging capability information
was proposed is to minimize the attack surface. The capability interface is
for exchanging **all** capabilities, so that two entities may negotiate and
agree on what set of capabilities will actually be used. Clearly, this is
different than operation on either the consumer-facing or NSF-facing
interfaces, since those interfaces are constrained to using **only** the
set of capabilities that have been agreed upon to use. This follows the
well-known Principle of Least Privilege (i.e., in a particular abstraction,
every function must be able to access **only** the information and
resources that are necessary for the legitimate purpose of that function.

Exposing the set of **all** capabilities over a widely used interface (like
the consumer- or NSF-facing interfaces) is a **bad idea**. It risks an
attacker understanding the complete set of capabilities of the system.
Furthermore, from a software componentization point-of-view, there is a
significant difference between exposing and negotiating between the set of
all capabilities (which is the purpose of the Capability Interface) and
simply using a selected set of capabilities (which is the purpose of the
consumer-facing or NSF-facing interfaces).

I hope this clarifies these two issues. I'll wait a couple of days before
issuing the next update to the Terminology Draft.

best regards,
John

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>recently, a number o=
f questions have been raised about the Capability Interface. There are two =
sources of confusion:</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 1) What, exactl=
y, is an &quot;interface&quot;? Can we use a different word instead of inte=
rface?</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 2) Why do we need another interface (or simil=
ar word)?</div><div><br></div><div>Clarifying the first issue.</div><div>A =
number of people have stated that to them, an &quot;interface&quot; is syno=
nymous with &quot;communication&quot;. This is NOT what was meant when this=
 I-D was written. Indeed, the definition of Interface, from that I-D, is as=
 follows:</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Interface:=C2=A0 A set of o=
perations one object knows it can invoke on,<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 and expose to, another object.=C2=A0 It is a subset of all operations<b=
r>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 that a given object implements.=C2=A0 The =
same object may have multiple<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 types of in=
terfaces to serve different purposes.=C2=A0 An example of<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 multiple interfaces can be seen by considering the inter=
faces<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 include a firewall uses; these incl=
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tiple interfaces for data packets to traverse through,<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0 an interface for a controller to =
impose policy, or retrieve<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the results of execution of a policy rule.</div><div>=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 See also: Consumer Interface, I2NSF Interfac=
e, Provider Interface<br></div><div><br></div><div>Note that the above defi=
nition implies a **shared boundary** across which two entities send and/or =
receive data. In other words, what&#39;s important is the set of standard o=
perations that can be invoked, and **not** the fact that this is a form of =
communication.</div><div><br></div><div>Clarifying the second issue.</div><=
div>The reason that a separate interface for exchanging capability informat=
ion was proposed is to minimize the attack surface. The capability interfac=
e is for exchanging **all** capabilities, so that two entities may negotiat=
e and agree on what set of capabilities will actually be used. Clearly, thi=
s is different than operation on either the consumer-facing or NSF-facing i=
nterfaces, since those interfaces are constrained to using **only** the set=
 of capabilities that have been agreed upon to use. This follows the well-k=
nown Principle of Least Privilege (i.e., in a particular abstraction, every=
 function must be able to access **only** the information and resources tha=
t are necessary for the legitimate purpose of that function.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Exposing the set of **all** capabilities over a widely used inte=
rface (like the consumer- or NSF-facing interfaces) is a **bad idea**. It r=
isks an attacker understanding the complete set of capabilities of the syst=
em. Furthermore, from a software componentization point-of-view, there is a=
 significant difference between exposing and negotiating between the set of=
 all capabilities (which is the purpose of the Capability Interface) and si=
mply using a selected set of capabilities (which is the purpose of the cons=
umer-facing or NSF-facing interfaces).</div><div><br></div><div>I hope this=
 clarifies these two issues. I&#39;ll wait a couple of days before issuing =
the next update to the Terminology Draft.</div><div><br></div><div>best reg=
ards,</div><div>John<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
signature"><div>regards,</div><div>John</div></div>
</div>

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Hi Linda,

the original question was about the **Capability Interface**. I'm not sure
that this is what you are talking about, so let me be explicit.

The original architecture had four interfaces:

   1) Consumer-Facing Interface (a.k.a., Client-Facing Interface)
   2) NSF-Facing Interface
   3) Capability Interface
   4) Registration Interface

I **like** these four interfaces, because they each serve different
purposes (ref: Single Responsibility Principle, among others, in software
architecture).

Now it appears that you are no longer talking about the Capability
Interface; rather, you want to change the definition of Consumer to clarify
that it is acting between end-users of the I2NSF system and the controller.
Assuming that this is correct, how about the following modification:

   Consumer:  A Consumer is a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF
      Component that represents the needs of a user of I2NSF services.
      A consumer can send/receive information to/from another I2NSF
      Component (e.g., for defining and monitoring security policies
      for the Consumer's specific flows through an I2NSF
      administrative domain).  See also:  Provider, Role.

regards,
John

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

> John,
>
>
>
> All we need is to have two different names to differentiate
>
> -        Set of rules with Users/tenants oriented attributes
>
> -        Set of rules that are applied to NSFs (i.e. port/addresses
> based).
>
>
>
> Consumer facing and NSF facing would be good, but with the definition for
> =E2=80=9CConsumer=E2=80=9D in the terminology draft , =E2=80=9Cconsumer=
=E2=80=9D can also mean controller
> consuming NSFs (i.e. the NSF facing interface).  If we use the =E2=80=9Cc=
onsumer
> facing interface=E2=80=9D, can you modify the definition for =E2=80=9Ccon=
sumer=E2=80=9D?
>
>
>
>    Consumer:  A Consumer is a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF
>
>       Component that can receive information from another I2NSF
>
>       Component.  See also:  Provider, Role.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks, Linda
>
>
>
> *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 2:10 AM
> *To:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>; John Strassner <
> strazpdj@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: you could be correct, but we are dealing with a group of
> people who commonly interpret "Interface" as "port"
>
>
>
> I'm confused.
>
>
>
> There is no argument about Consumer-Facing and NSF-Facing Interfaces.
>
> Do you want two different names for the Capability Interface, one for
> Consumer-Facing and one for NSF-Facing Interfaces? Or do you want somethi=
ng
> else?
>
>
>
> I am troubled that the list is silent.
>
>
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
> John,
>
>
>
> You can be correct. But the Interim meeting, most people expressed the
> desire of using =E2=80=9Cinterface=E2=80=9D to mean the =E2=80=9Cport=E2=
=80=9D on the controller: one port
> facing user (i.e. the User/client facing interface), another port facing
> NSFs (NSF-Facing interface).
>
>
>
> Sept 13 meeting minutes:
>
> Final agreement: We
>
>
>
> Two interfaces
>
> - Consumer/Client Facing Interface
>
> - NSF Facing Interface
>
> Within these we have "sets of operations"
>
> One of these sets is the "Capabilities set of operations"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At the time I didn=E2=80=99t realize that =E2=80=9Cconsumer=E2=80=9D also=
 applicable to
> =E2=80=9CController=E2=80=9D consuming the NSFs. That is why I want to us=
e a different
> term.
>
>
>
> All we need is to have two different names to differentiate
>
> -        Set of rules with Users/tenants oriented attributes
>
> -        Set of rules that are applied to NSFs (i.e. port/addresses
> based).
>
>
>
>
>
> Let=E2=80=99s use have two names and move forward.
>
>
>
> Can you give me a call?
>
>
>
> Thanks, Linda
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:19 PM
> *To:* i2nsf@ietf.org
> *Cc:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>; Adrian Farrel <
> adrian@olddog.co.uk>; John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* The (in)famous Capability Interface
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> recently, a number of questions have been raised about the Capability
> Interface. There are two sources of confusion:
>
>
>
>    1) What, exactly, is an "interface"? Can we use a different word
> instead of interface?
>
>    2) Why do we need another interface (or similar word)?
>
>
>
> Clarifying the first issue.
>
> A number of people have stated that to them, an "interface" is synonymous
> with "communication". This is NOT what was meant when this I-D was writte=
n.
> Indeed, the definition of Interface, from that I-D, is as follows:
>
>
>
>    Interface:  A set of operations one object knows it can invoke on,
>       and expose to, another object.  It is a subset of all operations
>       that a given object implements.  The same object may have multiple
>       types of interfaces to serve different purposes.  An example of
>       multiple interfaces can be seen by considering the interfaces
>       include a firewall uses; these include:
>
>          *  multiple interfaces for data packets to traverse through,
>          *  an interface for a controller to impose policy, or retrieve
>             the results of execution of a policy rule.
>
>       See also: Consumer Interface, I2NSF Interface, Provider Interface
>
>
>
> Note that the above definition implies a **shared boundary** across which
> two entities send and/or receive data. In other words, what's important i=
s
> the set of standard operations that can be invoked, and **not** the fact
> that this is a form of communication.
>
>
>
> Clarifying the second issue.
>
> The reason that a separate interface for exchanging capability informatio=
n
> was proposed is to minimize the attack surface. The capability interface =
is
> for exchanging **all** capabilities, so that two entities may negotiate a=
nd
> agree on what set of capabilities will actually be used. Clearly, this is
> different than operation on either the consumer-facing or NSF-facing
> interfaces, since those interfaces are constrained to using **only** the
> set of capabilities that have been agreed upon to use. This follows the
> well-known Principle of Least Privilege (i.e., in a particular abstractio=
n,
> every function must be able to access **only** the information and
> resources that are necessary for the legitimate purpose of that function.
>
>
>
> Exposing the set of **all** capabilities over a widely used interface
> (like the consumer- or NSF-facing interfaces) is a **bad idea**. It risks
> an attacker understanding the complete set of capabilities of the system.
> Furthermore, from a software componentization point-of-view, there is a
> significant difference between exposing and negotiating between the set o=
f
> all capabilities (which is the purpose of the Capability Interface) and
> simply using a selected set of capabilities (which is the purpose of the
> consumer-facing or NSF-facing interfaces).
>
>
>
> I hope this clarifies these two issues. I'll wait a couple of days before
> issuing the next update to the Terminology Draft.
>
>
>
> best regards,
>
> John
>
> --
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> regards,
>
> John
>



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John

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Linda,</div><div><br></div><div>the original quest=
ion was about the **Capability Interface**. I&#39;m not sure that this is w=
hat you are talking about, so let me be explicit.</div><div><br></div><div>=
The original architecture had four interfaces:</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 1) Consumer-Facing Interface (a.k.a., Client-Facing Interface)</d=
iv><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 2) NSF-Facing Interface</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 3) Capa=
bility Interface</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 4) Registration Interface</div><div=
><br></div><div>I **like** these four interfaces, because they each serve d=
ifferent purposes (ref: Single Responsibility Principle, among others, in s=
oftware architecture).</div><div><br></div><div>Now it appears that you are=
 no longer talking about the Capability Interface; rather, you want to chan=
ge the definition of Consumer to clarify that it is acting between end-user=
s of the I2NSF system and the controller. Assuming that this is correct, ho=
w about the following modification:</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 C=
onsumer:=C2=A0 A Consumer is a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF<br>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Component that represents the needs of a user of I=
2NSF services.<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A consumer can send/receiv=
e information to/from another I2NSF<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Compo=
nent (e.g., for defining and monitoring security policies<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 for the Consumer&#39;s specific flows through an I2NSF<b=
r>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 administrative domain).=C2=A0 See also:=C2=
=A0 Provider, Role.<br></div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>John<br=
></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On W=
ed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Linda Dunbar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">All we need is to have=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Set of rules that are applied to NSFs (i.e. port/addr=
esses based).
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Consumer facing and NSF facing would =
be good, but with the definition for =E2=80=9CConsumer=E2=80=9D in the term=
inology draft , =E2=80=9Cconsumer=E2=80=9D can also mean controller consumi=
ng
 NSFs (i.e. the NSF facing interface).=C2=A0 If we use the =E2=80=9Cconsume=
r facing interface=E2=80=9D, can you modify the definition for =E2=80=9Ccon=
sumer=E2=80=9D?
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Consumer:=C2=A0 A Consum=
er is a Role that is assigned to an I2NSF<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Compon=
ent that can receive information from another I2NSF<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Compon=
ent.=C2=A0 See also:=C2=A0 Provider, Role.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_3943935294611530092__MailEndCompose"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks, Linda<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> John Strassner [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 19, 2016 2:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;; John Strassner &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: you could be correct, but we are dealing with a group o=
f people who commonly interpret &quot;Interface&quot; as &quot;port&quot;<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I&#39;m confused.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There is no argument about Consumer-Facing and NSF-F=
acing Interfaces.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do you want two different names for the Capability I=
nterface, one for Consumer-Facing and one for NSF-Facing Interfaces? Or do =
you want something else?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am troubled that the list is silent.<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@hua=
wei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">John,
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">You can be correct. But the Interim m=
eeting, most people expressed the desire of using =E2=80=9Cinterface=E2=80=
=9D
 to mean the =E2=80=9Cport=E2=80=9D on the controller: one port facing user=
 (i.e. the User/client facing interface), another port facing NSFs (NSF-Fac=
ing interface).
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Sept 13 meeting minutes:</span><u></u=
><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif">F=
inal agreement: We</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif">=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif">T=
wo interfaces</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif">-=
 Consumer/Client Facing Interface</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif">-=
 NSF Facing Interface</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif">W=
ithin these we have &quot;sets of operations&quot;</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif">O=
ne of these sets is the &quot;Capabilities set of operations&quot;</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">At the time I didn=E2=
=80=99t realize that =E2=80=9Cconsumer=E2=80=9D also applicable to =E2=80=
=9CController=E2=80=9D consuming
 the NSFs. That is why I want to use a different term. </span><u></u><u></u=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">All we need is to have=
 two different names to differentiate
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_3943935294611530092m-1932279596176540691msolistparagraph"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">-</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:=
7.0pt;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Set of rules with Users/tenants orient=
ed attributes</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_3943935294611530092m-1932279596176540691msolistparagraph"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">-</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:=
7.0pt;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Set of rules that are applied to NSFs =
(i.e. port/addresses based).
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Let=E2=80=99s use have=
 two names and move forward.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Can you give me a call=
?
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks, Linda</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_3943935294611530092_m_-1932279596176540=
691__MailEndCompose"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cali=
bri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> John Strassner [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Adrian Farrel &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;;=
 John Strassner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>strazpdj@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> The (in)famous Capability Interface</span><u></u><u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">recently, a number of questions have been raised abo=
ut the Capability Interface. There are two sources of confusion:<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0 1) What, exactly, is an &quot;interface=
&quot;? Can we use a different word instead of interface?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0 2) Why do we need another interface (or=
 similar word)?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Clarifying the first issue.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A number of people have stated that to them, an &quo=
t;interface&quot; is synonymous with &quot;communication&quot;. This is NOT=
 what was meant when this I-D was written. Indeed, the definition of Interf=
ace,
 from that I-D, is as follows:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Interface:=C2=A0 A set of operations on=
e object knows it can invoke on,<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 and expose to, another object.=C2=A0 It is a=
 subset of all operations<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 that a given object implements.=C2=A0 The sa=
me object may have multiple<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 types of interfaces to serve different purpo=
ses.=C2=A0 An example of<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 multiple interfaces can be seen by consideri=
ng the interfaces<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 include a firewall uses; these include:<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=
=C2=A0 multiple interfaces for data packets to traverse through,<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0 an interface for a=
 controller to impose policy, or retrieve<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the resu=
lts of execution of a policy rule.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 See also: Consumer In=
terface, I2NSF Interface, Provider Interface<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Note that the above definition implies a **shared bo=
undary** across which two entities send and/or receive data. In other words=
, what&#39;s important is the set of standard operations
 that can be invoked, and **not** the fact that this is a form of communica=
tion.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Clarifying the second issue.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The reason that a separate interface for exchanging =
capability information was proposed is to minimize the attack surface. The =
capability interface is for exchanging **all** capabilities,
 so that two entities may negotiate and agree on what set of capabilities w=
ill actually be used. Clearly, this is different than operation on either t=
he consumer-facing or NSF-facing interfaces, since those interfaces are con=
strained to using **only** the set
 of capabilities that have been agreed upon to use. This follows the well-k=
nown Principle of Least Privilege (i.e., in a particular abstraction, every=
 function must be able to access **only** the information and resources tha=
t are necessary for the legitimate
 purpose of that function.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Exposing the set of **all** capabilities over a wide=
ly used interface (like the consumer- or NSF-facing interfaces) is a **bad =
idea**. It risks an attacker understanding the complete
 set of capabilities of the system. Furthermore, from a software componenti=
zation point-of-view, there is a significant difference between exposing an=
d negotiating between the set of all capabilities (which is the purpose of =
the Capability Interface) and simply
 using a selected set of capabilities (which is the purpose of the consumer=
-facing or NSF-facing interfaces).<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope this clarifies these two issues. I&#39;ll wai=
t a couple of days before issuing the next update to the Terminology Draft.=
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">best regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<br clear=3D"all">
<br>
-- <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<br>
-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_sig=
nature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div>regards,</div><div>John</di=
v></div>
</div>

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Hi Susan:

Thank you for addressing these comments. Let me answer a couple of =
aspects.

> =20
> Section 4. In the use cases, there is no explicit text where key =
distribution is required. One may think that section 4.3.2 and, most =
probably, 4.3.3 may be related with key management (section 3.1.10). I =
mention this because our I-D focused on key management for IPSec SAs and =
VPNs is a term that may be associated to this.
> [Sue]: I=E2=80=99ve added text in version 2.  Please confirm that=20

[Rafa] Ok, I will read the current text when ready.

> =20
> Section 7.
> When you mention AAA, are you referring to =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2904 ?=20
> [sue]: RFC 2904 fits.  Was it important to tie this down to the RFC =
level?  If so, I can add this RFC.
> =20
[Rafa] It depends. Within the IETF, AAA is typically associated to =
RADIUS, Diameter, etc=E2=80=A6, which are AAA protocols . However as you =
may know there are other authentication and authorization technologies. =
I guess you wanted just to highlight the need of authentication and =
authorization (and perhaps accounting). If that is the case, I would not =
say AAA to avoid confusion, and  just mention authentication and =
authorization (and accounting is required). However if you want to use =
AAA framework designed in the IETF for this, the I would leave AAA term.=20=


Best Regards.

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Hi,

I still do not think that this draft is mature enough to be adopted as a WG
draft.

First, let me reply to what Rakesh stated:

The =E2=80=9Cuser-group=E2=80=9D requirement is there from day one in the d=
raft (version 00
had it). We have mentioned this earlier that the requirement draft is a
superset of all the requirements (including user-group defined in your
draft). Please see the attached email.
<jcs>
You forget that other client-facing drafts predate your requirements draft,
and that those drafts already had requirements in them.
</jcs>

In my opinion, I don=E2=80=99t think it is a good idea to have one draft pe=
r
requirement (it would be too fragmented and cumbersome for developer).
<jcs>
No one has said that. However, things develop at different paces. You are
proposing to stop all work and gather all requirements together. However,
many of the drafts are already advanced, and are past the requirements
stage. I don't think that this is a good thing to do.
</jcs>

I propose to have set of draft for client interfaces as following:

1. One single draft that captures set of requirements =E2=86=92 we publishe=
d one,
we can add more requirements in that if anything missing.
2. One single draft that takes requirements and propose an informational
model. We are working on it.
3. One single draft that proposes a YANG data model for the information
model.
<jcs>
I don't agree with #1.
I don't agree with #2 - some drafts have an information model already,
others don't. I for one don't want to stop our work.
I don't agree with #3 - these are likely separate YANG modules, not a
single YANG model.
</jcs>

Now, let me provide further details as to why I don't think that this draft
is mature enough yet:

   - There are a multitude of typos and grammatical errors that make the
   document hard to read
   - You continue to say that the "interfaces are based on user-intent
   instead of ..." but do not define what user-intent is
      - The "definition" in the paragraph above section 2 on page 4 doesn't
      make sense. You state that it is not "some free-form natural
language", but
      rather "client-oriented expressions such as application names,
application
      groups, device groups, user groups etc." - this is starting to descri=
be a
      language, which is completely out of scope of I2NSF
      - You continue "with a vocabulary of verbs (e.g., drop, tap,
      throttle), prepositions, conjunctions, conditionals, adjectives,
and nouns
      instead of using standard n-tuples from the packet header" - you are =
now
      describing a language that looks a lot like English, but have not def=
ined
      either the grammatical rules for using such language elements, or whe=
re
      these come from and how they are defined (plus, it is completely out =
of
      scope of I2NSF)
      - Worse, you allude to mapping intent to device functions, but do not
      describe how this is done
   - Section 1
      - Your use of "developer" is confusing. For example, "developer's
      specific devices" is not (I hope) what you mean - I'm a developer and=
 I
      don't have a device; in fact, I write programs for devices from multi=
ple
      vendors.
      - The bulk of section 1 assumes a "single developer" approach, which
      is, as you say, not valid. What I **think** you are talking about is =
a
      single development environment. However, this needs to be substantiat=
ed.
      - I don't follow your argument about virtual NSFs being different
      than physical ones - this needs a concrete example
      - The fifth bullet on page 3 states a fact, not a problem
      - The 2nd paragraph above section 2 on page 4 ("In order to...working
      group") doesn't make sense. You allude to ease (not easiness),
but then say
      that this is completely out of scope. What, then, is the point you ar=
e
      trying to make?
   - Section 3
      - You write: "In essence, these interfaces provide a management
      framework...", which begs 2 questions: (1) how is this different than=
 the
      framework I-D, and (2) a management framework is a LOT more than just=
 3
      interfaces!
      - Section 3.1
      - First paragraph, last sentence - I **think** that you are talking
      about context - why is this not an inherent part of translating busin=
ess
      objectives into actionable policies?
      - Second paragraph - how is this different than ODL GBP?
      - After you answer the above, why doesn't the ability to define an
      application group require "deep knowledge" of the system?
   - Section 3.2
      - The first bullet ("Agnostic of network topology and NSF location in
      the network") conflicts with the principles expressed in section 3.1
      - The second bullet (*Agnostic to the features and capabilities
      supported in NSFs") doesn't make sense to me. If I was defining eithe=
r an
      API or a language for I2NSF, I would choose nouns and verbs based upo=
n a
      set of expected capabilities. Referring to DDoS as "foo" does no one =
any
      good.
      - Fourth bullet ("Agnostic to the network function type...) is
      unclear; is "routing" or "forwarding" an agnostic term?
      - Fifth bullet (Declarative instead of imperative): I agree in
      principle, but I don't understand your design enough to say
"yes". English
      is inherently ambiguous, and if you aren't using common terms from NS=
Fs
      (from bullet #4), then you have a very complex mapping.

I am going to stop here, because as I continue, I get even more questions.
This document needs a thorough discussion in the mail list before it is
ready for adoption. In particular, I would suggest the authors remove
intent completely, unless they can provide a clear definition of what they
mean, with examples. As previously stated, this has not yet been done in
any SDO or fora, and should be a completely separate document, not hidden
in the requirements.

regards,
John

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

> I2NSF participants:
>
>
> The authors of draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req have made an
> update aiming to address the comments made during the poll for WG adoptio=
n.
> Can you all please check that your comments were addressed and that we're
> ready to move ahead?
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Linda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rakesh Kumar [mailto:rkkumar@juniper.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:25 PM
> To: Youjianjie <youjianjie@huawei.com>
> Cc: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>; Linda Dunbar <
> linda.dunbar@huawei.com>; Rakesh Kumar <rkkumar@juniper.net>
> Subject: Re: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: New Version Notification for draft-kumar=
-i2nsf-client-
> facing-interface-req-01.txt
>
> Hi Jianjie and WG chairs,
>
> The =E2=80=9Cuser-group=E2=80=9D requirement is there from day one in the=
 draft (version
> 00 had it). We have mentioned this earlier that the requirement draft is =
a
> superset of all the requirements (including user-group defined in your
> draft). Please see the attached email.
>
> In my opinion, I don=E2=80=99t think it is a good idea to have one draft =
per
> requirement (it would be too fragmented and cumbersome for developer).
> I propose to have set of draft for client interfaces as following:
>
> 1. One single draft that captures set of requirements =E2=86=92 we publis=
hed one,
> we can add more requirements in that if anything missing.
> 2. One single draft that takes requirements and propose an informational
> model. We are working on it.
> 3. One single draft that proposes a YANG data model for the information
> model.
>
> If we agree, then we should find a way to merge different ideas.
>
> Thanks
> Rakesh
>
>
> On 10/13/16, 11:05 PM, "Youjianjie" <youjianjie@huawei.com> wrote:
>
>     Hi Rakesh,
>
>     I saw the draft also mentions user group and related policies. We
> already defined them in :
>     https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-you-i2nsf-user-group-based-policy-0=
2
>     Maybe it=E2=80=99s better to keep them aligned.
>
>     Thanks,
>     Jianjie
>
>     > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-----
>     > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] =
=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Rakesh Kumar
>     > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2016=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8810=E6=
=97=A5 11:37
>     > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org; Anil Lohiya;=
 Xialiang (Frank); Nabil
> Bitar;
>     > i2nsf-chairs@ietf.org; Dave Qi; Senad Palislamovic
>     > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: i2nsf@ietf.org
>     > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [I2nsf] New Version Notification for
>     > draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req-01.txt
>     >
>     > Hi all,
>     >
>     > The authors updated the draft with -01 revision that includes
> changes made as
>     > per comments from the I2NSF working group members.
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     > Rakesh
>     >
>     > On 10/9/16, 8:32 PM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" <
> internet-drafts@ietf.org>
>     > wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >     A new version of I-D, draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-
> facing-interface-req-01.txt
>     >     has been successfully submitted by Rakesh Kumar and posted to t=
he
>     >     IETF repository.
>     >
>     >     Name:         draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req
>     >     Revision:     01
>     >     Title:                Requirements for Client-Facing Interface
> to Security
>     > Controller
>     >     Document date:        2016-10-09
>     >     Group:                i2nsf
>     >     Pages:                22
>     >     URL:
>     > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kumar-i2nsf-
> client-facing-interface-r
>     > eq-01.txt
>     >     Status:
>     > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-
> facing-interface-req/
>     >     Htmlized:
>     > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-
> facing-interface-req-01
>     >     Diff:
>     > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-kumar-i2nsf-client-
> facing-interface-req-
>     > 01
>     >
>     >     Abstract:
>     >        This document captures the requirements for the client-facin=
g
>     >        interface to security controller.  The interfaces are based
> on user-
>     >        intent instead of developer-specific or device-centric
> approaches
>     >        that would require deep knowledge of specific products and
> their
>     >        security features.  The document identifies the requirements
> needed
>     >        to enforce the user-intent based policies onto network
> security
>     >        functions (NSFs) irrespective of how those functions are
> realized.
>     >        The function may be physical or virtual in nature and may be
>     >        implemented in networking or dedicated appliances.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I still do not think tha=
t this draft is mature enough to be adopted as a WG draft.</div><div><br></=
div><div>First, let me reply to what Rakesh stated:</div><div><br></div><di=
v>The =E2=80=9Cuser-group=E2=80=9D requirement is there from day one in the=
 draft (version 00 had it). We have mentioned this earlier that the require=
ment draft is a superset of all the requirements (including user-group defi=
ned in your draft). Please see the attached email.</div><div>&lt;jcs&gt;</d=
iv><div>You forget that other client-facing drafts predate your requirement=
s draft, and that those drafts already had requirements in them.</div><div>=
&lt;/jcs&gt;<br><br>In my opinion, I don=E2=80=99t think it is a good idea =
to have one draft per requirement (it would be too fragmented and cumbersom=
e for developer).</div><div>&lt;jcs&gt;</div><div>No one has said that. How=
ever, things develop at different paces. You are proposing to stop all work=
 and gather all requirements together. However, many of the drafts are alre=
ady advanced, and are past the requirements stage. I don&#39;t think that t=
his is a good thing to do.</div><div>&lt;/jcs&gt;</div><div><br>I propose t=
o have set of draft for client interfaces as following:<br><br> 1. One sing=
le draft that captures set of requirements =E2=86=92 we published one, we c=
an add more requirements in that if anything missing.<br> 2. One single dra=
ft that takes requirements and propose an informational model. We are worki=
ng on it.<br> 3. One single draft that proposes a YANG data model for the i=
nformation model.</div><div>&lt;jcs&gt;</div><div>I don&#39;t agree with #1=
.</div><div>I don&#39;t agree with #2 - some drafts have an information mod=
el already, others don&#39;t. I for one don&#39;t want to stop our work.</d=
iv><div>I don&#39;t agree with #3 - these are likely separate YANG modules,=
 not a single YANG model.</div><div>&lt;/jcs&gt;<br></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Now, let me provide further details as to why I don&#39;t think that thi=
s draft is mature enough yet:<br></div><ul><li>There are a multitude of typ=
os and grammatical errors that make the document hard to read</li><li>You c=
ontinue to say that the &quot;interfaces are based on user-intent instead o=
f ...&quot; but do not define what user-intent is</li><ul><li>The &quot;def=
inition&quot; in the paragraph above section 2 on page 4 doesn&#39;t make s=
ense. You state that it is not &quot;some free-form natural language&quot;,=
 but rather &quot;client-oriented expressions such as application names, ap=
plication groups, device groups, user groups etc.&quot; - this is starting =
to describe a language, which is completely out of scope of I2NSF</li><li>Y=
ou continue &quot;with a vocabulary of verbs (e.g., drop, tap, throttle), p=
repositions, conjunctions, conditionals, adjectives, and nouns instead of u=
sing standard n-tuples from the packet header&quot; - you are now describin=
g a language that looks a lot like English, but have not defined either the=
 grammatical rules for using such language elements, or where these come fr=
om and how they are defined (plus, it is completely out of scope of I2NSF)<=
/li><li>Worse, you allude to mapping intent to device functions, but do not=
 describe how this is done</li></ul><li>Section 1</li><ul><li>Your use of &=
quot;developer&quot; is confusing. For example, &quot;developer&#39;s speci=
fic devices&quot; is not (I hope) what you mean - I&#39;m a developer and I=
 don&#39;t have a device; in fact, I write programs for devices from multip=
le vendors.</li><li>The bulk of section 1 assumes a &quot;single developer&=
quot; approach, which is, as you say, not valid. What I **think** you are t=
alking about is a single development environment. However, this needs to be=
 substantiated.</li><li>I don&#39;t follow your argument about virtual NSFs=
 being different than physical ones - this needs a concrete example</li><li=
>The fifth bullet on page 3 states a fact, not a problem</li><li>The 2nd pa=
ragraph above section 2 on page 4 (&quot;In order to...working group&quot;)=
 doesn&#39;t make sense. You allude to ease (not easiness), but then say th=
at this is completely out of scope. What, then, is the point you are trying=
 to make?</li></ul><li>Section 3</li><ul><li>You write: &quot;In essence, t=
hese interfaces provide a management framework...&quot;, which begs 2 quest=
ions: (1) how is this different than the framework I-D, and (2) a managemen=
t framework is a LOT more than just 3 interfaces!<br></li></ul><li>Section =
3.1</li><ul><li>First paragraph, last sentence - I **think** that you are t=
alking about context - why is this not an inherent part of translating busi=
ness objectives into actionable policies?</li><li>Second paragraph - how is=
 this different than ODL GBP?</li><li>After you answer the above, why doesn=
&#39;t the ability to define an application group require &quot;deep knowle=
dge&quot; of the system?</li></ul><li>Section 3.2</li><ul><li>The first bul=
let (&quot;Agnostic of network topology and NSF location in the network&quo=
t;) conflicts with the principles expressed in section 3.1</li><li>The seco=
nd bullet (*Agnostic to the features and capabilities supported in NSFs&quo=
t;) doesn&#39;t make sense to me. If I was defining either an API or a lang=
uage for I2NSF, I would choose nouns and verbs based upon a set of expected=
 capabilities. Referring to DDoS as &quot;foo&quot; does no one any good.</=
li><li>Fourth bullet (&quot;Agnostic to the network function type...) is un=
clear; is &quot;routing&quot; or &quot;forwarding&quot; an agnostic term?</=
li><li>Fifth bullet (Declarative instead of imperative): I agree in princip=
le, but I don&#39;t understand your design enough to say &quot;yes&quot;. E=
nglish is inherently ambiguous, and if you aren&#39;t using common terms fr=
om NSFs (from bullet #4), then you have a very complex mapping.<br></li></u=
l></ul><div>I am going to stop here, because as I continue, I get even more=
 questions. This document needs a thorough discussion in the mail list befo=
re it is ready for adoption. In particular, I would suggest the authors rem=
ove intent completely, unless they can provide a clear definition of what t=
hey mean, with examples. As previously stated, this has not yet been done i=
n any SDO or fora, and should be a completely separate document, not hidden=
 in the requirements.<br></div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>John<=
/div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri=
, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Linda Dunbar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I2NSF participants:<br=
>
<br>
<br>
The authors of draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-interface-req have made=
 an update aiming to address the comments made during the poll for WG adopt=
ion. Can you all please check that your comments were addressed and that we=
&#39;re ready to move ahead?<br>
<br>
Thank you very much.<br>
<br>
Linda<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Rakesh Kumar [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:rkkumar@juniper.net">rkkumar@j=
uniper.net</a>]<br>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:25 PM<br>
To: Youjianjie &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:youjianjie@huawei.com">youjianjie@huaw=
ei.com</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: Adrian Farrel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.=
co.uk</a>&gt;; Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com">=
linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Rakesh Kumar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rkkumar=
@juniper.net">rkkumar@juniper.net</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: New Version Notification for draft-kumar-i=
2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-interface-req-01.txt<br>
<br>
Hi Jianjie and WG chairs,<br>
<br>
The =E2=80=9Cuser-group=E2=80=9D requirement is there from day one in the d=
raft (version 00 had it). We have mentioned this earlier that the requireme=
nt draft is a superset of all the requirements (including user-group define=
d in your draft). Please see the attached email.<br>
<br>
In my opinion, I don=E2=80=99t think it is a good idea to have one draft pe=
r requirement (it would be too fragmented and cumbersome for developer).<br=
>
I propose to have set of draft for client interfaces as following:<br>
<br>
1. One single draft that captures set of requirements =E2=86=92 we publishe=
d one, we can add more requirements in that if anything missing.<br>
2. One single draft that takes requirements and propose an informational mo=
del. We are working on it.<br>
3. One single draft that proposes a YANG data model for the information mod=
el.<br>
<br>
If we agree, then we should find a way to merge different ideas.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Rakesh<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/13/16, 11:05 PM, &quot;Youjianjie&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:youjian=
jie@huawei.com">youjianjie@huawei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi Rakesh,<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I saw the draft also mentions user group and related policies=
. We already defined them in :<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-you-i2nsf-user-g=
roup-based-policy-02" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://tools.ie=
tf.org/html/<wbr>draft-you-i2nsf-user-group-<wbr>based-policy-02</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Maybe it=E2=80=99s better to keep them aligned.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jianjie<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-----<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: I2nsf [mailto:<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org">i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org</a><wbr>] =E4=BB=A3=E8=
=A1=A8 Rakesh Kumar<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2016=E5=B9=B410=E6=
=9C=8810=E6=97=A5 11:37<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: <a href=3D"mailto:internet-=
drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>; Anil Lohiya; Xialiang (Frank=
); Nabil Bitar;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf-chairs@ietf.org">i2nsf-chairs@ie=
tf.org</a>; Dave Qi; Senad Palislamovic<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org">i2=
nsf@ietf.org</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [I2nsf] New Version Notification=
 for<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-interface-req-01.tx=
t<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; Hi all,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; The authors updated the draft with -01 revision that inc=
ludes changes made as<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; per comments from the I2NSF working group members.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; Regards,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; Rakesh<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; On 10/9/16, 8:32 PM, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-dr=
afts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:int=
ernet-drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; wrote:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0A new version of I-D, draft-kumar-i2n=
sf-client-<wbr>facing-interface-req-01.txt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0has been successfully submitted by Ra=
kesh Kumar and posted to the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IETF repository.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-interface-req<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A001<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Requirements for Client-Facing Interface to Securi=
ty<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; Controller<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Document date:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 2016-10-09<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 i2nsf<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 22<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0URL:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ku=
mar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-r" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">h=
ttps://www.ietf.org/internet-<wbr>drafts/draft-kumar-i2nsf-<wbr>client-faci=
ng-interface-r</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; eq-01.txt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Status:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-=
i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">ht=
tps://datatracker.ietf.org/<wbr>doc/draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-in=
terface-req/</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Htmlized:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumar-i2nsf=
-client-facing-interface-req-01" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https=
://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-interface-=
req-01</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Diff:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-kum=
ar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req-" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?<wbr>url2=3Ddraft-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>fac=
ing-interface-req-</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; 01<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document captures the re=
quirements for the client-facing<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 interface to security control=
ler.=C2=A0 The interfaces are based on user-<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 intent instead of developer-s=
pecific or device-centric approaches<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that would require deep knowl=
edge of specific products and their<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 security features.=C2=A0 The =
document identifies the requirements needed<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 to enforce the user-intent ba=
sed policies onto network security<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 functions (NSFs) irrespective=
 of how those functions are realized.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The function may be physical =
or virtual in nature and may be<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 implemented in networking or =
dedicated appliances.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Please note that it may take a couple=
 of minutes from the time of<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; submission<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0until the htmlized version and diff a=
re available at <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"=
noreferrer">tools.ietf.org</a>.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The IETF Secretariat<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt;<br>
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Hi Linda,
Are you agreeing at merging our draft
(draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-services-05)
into draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases-02?

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Linda,
> Here are my answers inline below.
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Paul, et al,
>>
>>
>>
>> How would you position "draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-services-05" with
>> reference to the I2NSF WG charter and deliverables (
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/i2nsf/charter/ )?
>>
>>
>>
>  [Paul] I think my draft can be integrated into the I2NSF problem
> statement and use cases draft as a use case:
>            https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-
> security-services-05
>            https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-
> use-cases-02
>
>
>> From some perspectives, the draft is more like describing use cases for
>> I2NSF, is it?
>>
>>   [Paul] Yes, you are right.
>
>
>>
>> The requirement described in your Section 6 are derived from the use
>> cases described in Section 7, is correct?
>>
>> =C2=B7        SDN-based security services are required to support the
>> programmability of network resources to mitigate network attacks.
>>
>> =C2=B7        SDN-based security services are required to support the
>> orchestration of network resources and SDN applications to mitigate netw=
ork
>> attacks.
>>
>> =C2=B7        SDN-based security services are required to provide an
>> application interface allowing the management of access control policies=
 in
>> an autonomous and prompt manner.
>>
>>  [Paul] Yes, you are right.
>
>  I would like to work with Sue Hares to integrate my draft into
> draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases-02.
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Best Regards,
>  Paul
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Linda
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Linda,<div>Are you agreeing at merging our draft (draft=
-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-services-05)=C2=A0</div><div>into=C2=A0<span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.8px">draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-</span><wbr style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12.8px"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">use-cases-02?</span></div>=
<div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"=
font-size:12.8px">Thanks.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"=
><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Best Regards,</span=
></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Paul</span></div></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 5=
:55 AM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jaeh=
oon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Linda,<div>He=
re are my answers inline below.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Linda =
Dunbar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"m_-1163256530553430946gmail-m_270422636306402118WordSection1"=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Paul, et al, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How would you position &quot;draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-s=
ecurit<wbr>y-services-05&quot; with reference to the I2NSF WG charter and d=
eliverables (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/i2nsf/charter/" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/<wbr>wg/i2nsf/charter/</a> )?
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0</p></div></div></blockquote></span><di=
v>=C2=A0[Paul] I think my draft can be integrated into the I2NSF problem st=
atement and use cases draft as a use case:</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2ns=
f-sdn-security-services-05" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<=
wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-<wbr>security-services-05</a></div><div>=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr=
aft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases-02" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ie=
tf.org/html/<wbr>draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-<wbr>use-cases-02</a><br></di=
v><span class=3D""><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"m_-1163256530553430946gm=
ail-m_270422636306402118WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">From some perspectives, the draft is more like descr=
ibing use cases for I2NSF, is it?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></span><div>=C2=
=A0 [Paul] Yes, you are right.=C2=A0</div><span class=3D""><div><br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div c=
lass=3D"m_-1163256530553430946gmail-m_270422636306402118WordSection1"><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The requirement described in your Section 6 are deri=
ved from the use cases described in Section 7, is correct?
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_-1163256530553430946gmail-m_270422636306402118MsoListParagrap=
h">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:symbol"><span>=C2=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:=
normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:nor=
mal;font-family:&quot;times new roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:couri=
er">SDN-based security services are required to support the programmability=
 of network resources to mitigate network attacks.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_-1163256530553430946gmail-m_270422636306402118MsoListParagrap=
h">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:symbol"><span>=C2=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:=
normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:nor=
mal;font-family:&quot;times new roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:couri=
er">SDN-based security services are required to support the orchestration o=
f network resources and SDN applications to mitigate network attacks.<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_-1163256530553430946gmail-m_270422636306402118MsoListParagrap=
h">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:symbol"><span>=C2=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:=
normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:nor=
mal;font-family:&quot;times new roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:couri=
er">SDN-based security services are required to provide an application inte=
rface allowing the management of access control policies in an autonomous a=
nd prompt manner.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:courier"><=
u></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote></span><div>=C2=A0[Paul] Yes, you=
 are right.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0I would like to work with Sue =
Hares to integrate my draft into draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-<wbr>use-case=
s-02.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=
=A0Best Regards,</div><div>=C2=A0Paul</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"m_-11632=
56530553430946gmail-m_270422636306402118WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:courier">=C2=A0<u></u></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks, Linda<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 09:54:56 +0900
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Hi Linda,
Are you agreeing at merging our draft
(draft-kim-i2nsf-security-management-architecture-02)
into draft-ietf-i2nsf-framework-03?

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 5:32 AM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Linda,
> As a coauthor of this draft, I will answer your questions inline below.
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hyoungshick, et al,
>>
>>
>>
>> How would you position your draft-kim-i2nsf-security-management-architec=
ture-01
>> with regard to the I2NSF framework draft? I find there are  a lot of
>> duplicated content to the I2nsf framework draft.
>>
>
>  [Paul] We would like to merge our draft into the i2nsf framework draft
>  because our draft has one depth more detailed architecture.
>  This detailed architecture will be helpful to implement the i2nsf
> framework.
>
>
>>
>> There are some differences,  such as the following: Are you trying to
>> define how =E2=80=9Csecurity policy=E2=80=9D is structured?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>  [Paul] Our architecture allows an NSF to update a low-level policy and
> apply it to the related high-level policy
>  via the control path of Security Controller and Policy Collector (rename=
d
> Event Collector in version 02) in Figure 1
>  of our version 02:
>  https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-security-
> management-architecture-02
>
>  For example, if an NSF of firewall detects a new DoS-attack host, it
> reports the updated blacklist having
>  the IP address of such a host to Application Logic in I2NSF Client via
> Security Controller and Event Collector.
>  Application Logic asks Policy Updater to disseminate the updated
> blacklist to the security controllers
>  under the administration of the same I2NSF Client.
>
>
>> Will the =E2=80=9CHigh Level security management=E2=80=9D eventually lea=
d to Client
>> Facing Policy data models?
>>
>
>  [Paul] Yes, as explained above, the High-level security management leads
> to update and handle Client facing policy
>  data models.
>
>>
>>
>> Do you plan to define interfaces between all those components depicted i=
n
>> Figure 1?  The interfaces between some of those components are not reall=
y
>> in the I2NSF WG current charter, such as =E2=80=9CSecurity Policy Manage=
r=E2=80=9D <-> =E2=80=9CNSF
>> Capability Manager=E2=80=9D,  or the interface between =E2=80=9CApplicat=
ion Logic=E2=80=9D <->
>> =E2=80=9CPolicy Updater=E2=80=9D.
>>
>
>  [Paul]  Yes, we have a plan to define such interfaces.
>
>
>>
>> Are those components in your current implementation? Is it like an
>> =E2=80=9Cexample of one implementation=E2=80=9D?
>>
>
>  [Paul] Though those components are not fully implemented yet in our
> implementation, my team at SKKU
>  will make implement those components in a later version.
>
>  Thanks for your clarification questions.
>
>  Best Regards,
>  Paul
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Linda
>>
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> Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Software
> Sungkyunkwan University
> Office: +82-31-299-4957
> Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
> Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Linda,<div>Are you agreeing at merging our draft (draft=
-kim-i2nsf-security-management-architecture-02)=C2=A0</div><div>into=C2=A0<=
span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">draft-ietf-i2nsf-framework-03?</span></div>=
<div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"=
font-size:12.8px">Thanks.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"=
><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Best Regards,</span=
></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Paul</span></div></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 5=
:32 AM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jaeh=
oon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Linda,<div>As=
 a coauthor of this draft, I will answer your questions inline below.</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">=
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Linda Dunbar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"m_-4236017432478052542gmail-m_-8080114567644017204WordSection=
1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hyoungshick, et al, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How would you position your draft-kim-i2nsf-security=
-manag<wbr>ement-architecture-01 with regard to the I2NSF framework draft? =
I find there are=C2=A0 a lot of duplicated content to the I2nsf framework d=
raft.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>=C2=A0[Paul] W=
e would like to merge our draft into the i2nsf framework draft=C2=A0</div><=
div>=C2=A0because our draft has one depth more detailed architecture.</div>=
<div>=C2=A0This detailed architecture will be helpful to implement the i2ns=
f framework.=C2=A0</div><span class=3D""><div><br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"m_-42360=
17432478052542gmail-m_-8080114567644017204WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are some differences, =C2=A0such as the follow=
ing: Are you trying to define how =E2=80=9Csecurity policy=E2=80=9D is stru=
ctured? =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><img width=3D"630" height=3D"80" id=3D"m_-4236017432=
478052542gmail-m_-8080114567644017204Picture_x0020_1" src=3D"cid:image002.p=
ng@01D21F04.D52074D0"><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0</p></div></div></blockquote></span><di=
v>=C2=A0[Paul] Our architecture allows an NSF to update a low-level policy =
and apply it to the related high-level policy</div><div>=C2=A0via the contr=
ol path of Security Controller and Policy Collector (renamed Event Collecto=
r in version 02) in Figure 1</div><div>=C2=A0of our version 02:</div><div>=
=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-security-manag=
ement-architecture-02" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>d=
raft-kim-i2nsf-security-<wbr>management-architecture-02</a></div><div><br><=
/div><div>=C2=A0For example, if an NSF of firewall detects a new DoS-attack=
 host, it reports the updated blacklist having</div><div>=C2=A0the IP addre=
ss of such a host to Application Logic in I2NSF Client via Security Control=
ler and Event Collector.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0Application Logic asks Polic=
y Updater to disseminate the updated blacklist to the security controllers=
=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0under the administration of the same I2NSF Client.=
=C2=A0</div><span class=3D""><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"m_-42360174324780525=
42gmail-m_-8080114567644017204WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Will the =E2=80=9CHigh Level security management=E2=
=80=9D eventually lead to Client Facing Policy data models?</p></div></div>=
</blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>=C2=A0[Paul] Yes, as explained abov=
e, the High-level security management leads to update and handle Client fac=
ing policy=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0data models.</div><span class=3D""><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=
=3D"m_-4236017432478052542gmail-m_-8080114567644017204WordSection1"><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do you plan to define interfaces between all those c=
omponents depicted in Figure 1?=C2=A0 The interfaces between some of those =
components are not really in the I2NSF WG current charter, such as =E2=80=
=9CSecurity Policy Manager=E2=80=9D &lt;-&gt; =E2=80=9CNSF Capability Manag=
er=E2=80=9D,=C2=A0
 or the interface between =E2=80=9CApplication Logic=E2=80=9D &lt;-&gt; =E2=
=80=9CPolicy Updater=E2=80=9D.</p></div></div></blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div=
></span><div>=C2=A0[Paul] =C2=A0Yes, we have a plan to define such interfac=
es.</div><span class=3D""><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"m_-4236017432478052542gma=
il-m_-8080114567644017204WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Are those components in your current implementation?=
 Is it like an =E2=80=9Cexample of one implementation=E2=80=9D?</p></div></=
div></blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div></span><div>=C2=A0[Paul] Though those com=
ponents are not fully implemented yet in our implementation, my team at SKK=
U=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0will make implement those components in a later ver=
sion.<br></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0Thanks for your clarification ques=
tions.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0Best Regards,</div><div>=C2=A0Paul</d=
iv><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"m_-4236017432478052542gmail-m_-808011456=
7644017204WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks, Linda <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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Adrian and Linda,


I have made a detailed review of this draft through sec 6.  I hope to 
finish tomorrow.  I have sent my comments so far to the authors.  Most 
are to clear up the text.


As such:

This is a valuable document that a YANG model alone document would not 
provide.  It may be after I read the next few sections that I might feel 
some of that part belongs in a YANG draft.  But the first few sections 
are definitely needed in I2NSF.

Bob


On 10/11/2016 05:21 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
> Working Group,
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> Linda and I would like to hear some more from you about
> draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring.
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> Is it something you think we should be working on?
> Should we have a separate YANG module for it or fold it into other modules?
> If we produce a YANG module, do we still need to publish the information model?
>
> And, most important, what do you think of the content of the draft?
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
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Hi Adrian,

Agree: it is a useful tool but should not be a separate publication. The on=
ly reason for publishing the information model could be to do so in the sam=
e document as the data model, as rationale supporting it, and even giving t=
he opportunity for alternate data models using other data representations (=
TOSCA, for example, very much in fashion in cloudspace).

Be goode,

On 14 Oct 2016, at 11:54 , Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian=
@olddog.co.uk>> wrote:

Thanks, all, for the useful comments about this document.

It seems clear that there is support for developing this work and producing=
 a
data model for monitoring.

Two points:

1. As noted by Sue, there is a BoF/WG planned for IETF-98 on "Security Even=
ts".
I suggest you go to that. I will also make sure the AD is aware of the pote=
ntial
overlap/interaction.

2. It seems reasonable to me that producing an information model (such as i=
n
draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring) is a useful step toward producing =
a
data model. I have no objection to using a structured approach. However, my
question about "publication" could be phrased as follows:
- Suppose we decide we want a data model for monitoring
- Suppose we use draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring to guide
  our work on that data model
- Suppose that we push ahead with the data model quite soon so
  that it starts to catch up with the info model
If all of those things apply, why would we need to publish an RFC that capt=
ures
the information model given that we will be publishing a data model shortly
afterwards?
Presumably, once the data model is published, no one will ever read the
information model.
So the information model would be a valuable document working document in w=
hich
the WG would capture its thoughts and consensus, but would be discarded onc=
e the
work to make the data model was complete.

Or am I wrong?

Thanks,
Adrian

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: 13 October 2016 14:49
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>; i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:=
i2nsf@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [I2nsf] Thoughts on draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring

Adrian:

Why: Monitoring is a key component to I2NSF for monitoring NSF devices.
Monitoring is not the same as NSF devices sending notifications - which is =
a
push from the NSF devices.  Monitoring may encompasses specific requests to
the device.   Monitoring is different than the DOTS - "help me" cry from a
device under attack.
While I see the security ADs are proposing Security event, it is important
that the I2NSF create monitoring concepts that work with all of the
functions (e.g. querying capabilities, sending/receiving notification, and
events).

Data model versus Information model:  Since we do not seem to have a clear
idea of what the data model should be, it is important to create the
informational models.

The content of the draft is a good first step.

Sue Hares



-----Original Message-----
From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 5:22 PM
To: i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org>
Subject: [I2nsf] Thoughts on draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring

Working Group,

Linda and I would like to hear some more from you about
draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring.

Is it something you think we should be working on?
Should we have a separate YANG module for it or fold it into other modules?
If we produce a YANG module, do we still need to publish the information
model?

And, most important, what do you think of the content of the draft?

Thanks,
Adrian

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</div>
<div class=3D"">Agree: it is a useful tool but should not be a separate pub=
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do so in the same document as the data model, as rationale supporting it, a=
nd even giving the opportunity for
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<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Be goode,</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">On 14 Oct 2016, at 11:54 , Adrian Farrel &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
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<div class=3D"">Thanks, all, for the useful comments about this document.<b=
r class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
It seems clear that there is support for developing this work and producing=
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data model for monitoring.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Two points:<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
1. As noted by Sue, there is a BoF/WG planned for IETF-98 on &quot;Security=
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I suggest you go to that. I will also make sure the AD is aware of the pote=
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2. It seems reasonable to me that producing an information model (such as i=
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draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring) is a useful step toward producing =
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data model. I have no objection to using a structured approach. However, my=
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- Suppose we decide we want a data model for monitoring<br class=3D"">
- Suppose we use draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring to guide<br class=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;our work on that data model<br class=3D"">
- Suppose that we push ahead with the data model quite soon so<br class=3D"=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;that it starts to catch up with the info model<br class=3D"">
If all of those things apply, why would we need to publish an RFC that capt=
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the information model given that we will be publishing a data model shortly=
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afterwards?<br class=3D"">
Presumably, once the data model is published, no one will ever read the<br =
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information model.<br class=3D"">
So the information model would be a valuable document working document in w=
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the WG would capture its thoughts and consensus, but would be discarded onc=
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work to make the data model was complete.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Or am I wrong?<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Thanks,<br class=3D"">
Adrian<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D=
"">
From: Susan Hares [<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" class=3D"">mailto:sha=
res@ndzh.com</a>]<br class=3D"">
Sent: 13 October 2016 14:49<br class=3D"">
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i2nsf@ietf.org</a><br class=3D"">
Subject: RE: [I2nsf] Thoughts on draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring<br=
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<br class=3D"">
Adrian:<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Why: Monitoring is a key component to I2NSF for monitoring NSF devices.<br =
class=3D"">
Monitoring is not the same as NSF devices sending notifications - which is =
a<br class=3D"">
push from the NSF devices. &nbsp;Monitoring may encompasses specific reques=
ts to<br class=3D"">
the device. &nbsp;&nbsp;Monitoring is different than the DOTS - &quot;help =
me&quot; cry from a<br class=3D"">
device under attack.<br class=3D"">
While I see the security ADs are proposing Security event, it is important<=
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that the I2NSF create monitoring concepts that work with all of the<br clas=
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functions (e.g. querying capabilities, sending/receiving notification, and<=
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<br class=3D"">
Data model versus Information model: &nbsp;Since we do not seem to have a c=
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informational models.<br class=3D"">
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<br class=3D"">
Sue Hares<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">
From: I2nsf [<a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org" class=3D"">mailto:i2=
nsf-bounces@ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel<br class=3D"">
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Working Group,<br class=3D"">
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Linda and I would like to hear some more from you about<br class=3D"">
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<br class=3D"">
Is it something you think we should be working on?<br class=3D"">
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If we produce a YANG module, do we still need to publish the information<br=
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https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hunt-idevent-token-06

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Phil

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 4:33 AM, Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>=
 wrote:
>=20
> Hi Phil,
>=20
> Can you provide a link for the SET profiles? Just looking for =E2=80=9Cset=
=E2=80=9D gives a horribly unmanageable list of references=E2=80=A6
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> Thanks,
>=20
>> On 14 Oct 2016, at 15:24 , Phil Hunt <phil.hunt@oracle.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> Adrian,
>>=20
>> So where this might fit together is that SET simply profiles JWT so that a=
n event can be expressed in secureable JSON format. We define only a set of a=
ttributes necessary to validate and secure events, but pretty much leave the=
 data of the event up to =E2=80=9Cprofiling=E2=80=9D specifications that bui=
ld on it.
>>=20
>> A number of us ended up bringing this together because there was a number=
 of independent efforts to express very different events doing almost the sa=
me thing.
>>=20
>> =46rom my quick scan, one of the options would be that these events could=
 be expressed as a profile of SET.
>>=20
>> I plan to do the same for SCIM, as does RISC, etc.  The OpenID Logout spe=
cs already use SET.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Phil
>>=20
>> @independentid
>> www.independentid.com
>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> Just wanted to flag
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring=
/ in the
>>> context of the Security Event BoF/WG.
>>>=20
>>> Not sure where this sits with the Security Event work, but I2NSF seems t=
o see
>>> the draft as fairly important.
>>>=20
>>> Cheers,
>>> Adrian
>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Id-event mailing list
>>> Id-event@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event
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l/draft-hunt-idevent-distribution-01">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hunt=
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<div class=3D"">On 14 Oct 2016, at 15:24 , Phil Hunt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:p=
hil.hunt@oracle.com" class=3D"">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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Adrian,
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">So where this might fit together is that SET simply profiles=
 JWT so that an event can be expressed in secureable JSON format. We define o=
nly a set of attributes necessary to validate and secure events, but pretty m=
uch leave the data of the event
 up to =E2=80=9Cprofiling=E2=80=9D specifications that build on it.</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">A number of us ended up bringing this together because there=
 was a number of independent efforts to express very different events doing a=
lmost the same thing.</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">=46rom my quick scan, one of the options would be that these=
 events could be expressed as a profile of SET.</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">I plan to do the same for SCIM, as does RISC, etc. &nbsp;The=
 OpenID Logout specs already use SET.</div>
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Not sure why, but since the recent IETF web changes earlier this year, googl=
e has not been picking up doc revisions. Since SET came later it might expla=
in the poor search results.=20

Anybody know who at IETF handles SRO stuff?

Phil

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 7:47 AM, Phil Hunt (IDM) <phil.hunt@oracle.com> wrote:=

>=20
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hunt-idevent-token-06
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> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hunt-idevent-distribution-01
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> Phil
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>> On Oct 22, 2016, at 4:33 AM, Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com=
> wrote:
>>=20
>> Hi Phil,
>>=20
>> Can you provide a link for the SET profiles? Just looking for =E2=80=9Cse=
t=E2=80=9D gives a horribly unmanageable list of references=E2=80=A6
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>>=20
>>> On 14 Oct 2016, at 15:24 , Phil Hunt <phil.hunt@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Adrian,
>>>=20
>>> So where this might fit together is that SET simply profiles JWT so that=
 an event can be expressed in secureable JSON format. We define only a set o=
f attributes necessary to validate and secure events, but pretty much leave t=
he data of the event up to =E2=80=9Cprofiling=E2=80=9D specifications that b=
uild on it.
>>>=20
>>> A number of us ended up bringing this together because there was a numbe=
r of independent efforts to express very different events doing almost the s=
ame thing.
>>>=20
>>> =46rom my quick scan, one of the options would be that these events coul=
d be expressed as a profile of SET.
>>>=20
>>> I plan to do the same for SCIM, as does RISC, etc.  The OpenID Logout sp=
ecs already use SET.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Phil
>>>=20
>>> @independentid
>>> www.independentid.com
>>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:=

>>>>=20
>>>> Hi,
>>>>=20
>>>> Just wanted to flag
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitorin=
g/ in the
>>>> context of the Security Event BoF/WG.
>>>>=20
>>>> Not sure where this sits with the Security Event work, but I2NSF seems t=
o see
>>>> the draft as fairly important.
>>>>=20
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Adrian
>>>>=20
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F web changes earlier this year, google has not been picking up doc revision=
s. Since SET came later it might explain the poor search results.&nbsp;</div=
><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Any=
body know who at IETF handles SRO stuff?<br><br>Phil</div><div><br>On Oct 22=
, 2016, at 7:47 AM, Phil Hunt (IDM) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.c=
om">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dut=
f-8"><div><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hunt-idevent-token-06=
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opez &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com">diego.r.lopez@telef=
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<div class=3D"">On 14 Oct 2016, at 15:24 , Phil Hunt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:p=
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Adrian,
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">So where this might fit together is that SET simply profiles=
 JWT so that an event can be expressed in secureable JSON format. We define o=
nly a set of attributes necessary to validate and secure events, but pretty m=
uch leave the data of the event
 up to =E2=80=9Cprofiling=E2=80=9D specifications that build on it.</div>
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</div>
<div class=3D"">A number of us ended up bringing this together because there=
 was a number of independent efforts to express very different events doing a=
lmost the same thing.</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">=46rom my quick scan, one of the options would be that these=
 events could be expressed as a profile of SET.</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">I plan to do the same for SCIM, as does RISC, etc. &nbsp;The=
 OpenID Logout specs already use SET.</div>
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Cheers,<br class=3D"">
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I think we should keep the gap analysis current with what ever gaps 
still are present.  Maybe move addressed gaps to a 'handled' section of 
the draft.  This way we have a history of what the gap analysis drove to 
completion.  Once all gaps are handled THEN we let it expire.


Bob


On 10/22/2016 07:16 AM, Diego R. Lopez wrote:
> Hi Adrian,
>
> I tend to agree with you on this. Just let me note that some material 
> of the gap analysis could be incorporated somewhere else, in the 
> documents that reference it and are going to follow the path to RFC. 
> I鈥檇 like the authors of those documents consider the possibility if we 
> finally agree to go as you suggest.
>
> Be goode,
>
>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 23:19 , Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk 
>> <mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi I2NSF,
>>
>> Our charter says...
>>
>>> The I2NSF working group's deliverables include:
>>>
>>> o A single document covering use cases, problem statement, and gap
>>>   analysis document. This document will initially be produced for 
>>> reference
>>>   as a living list to track and record discussions: the working 
>>> group may
>>>   decide to not publish this document as an RFC.
>>
>> We split this work into draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases  and
>> draft-ietf-i2nsf-gap-analysis.
>>
>> It looks to me that the Problem Statement and Use Cases document is 
>> something
>> that the WG wants to push to RFC (please correct me if I'm wrong), 
>> but I am less
>> certain about the Gap Analysis.
>>
>> While the Gap Analysis is good work and has definitely helped us 
>> understand our
>> direction, I don't see a lot of value in publishing it as an RFC. My 
>> proposal
>> is, therefore, to keep it alive as a WG draft while it is useful 
>> reference
>> material, and then to let it expire. Expired drafts still remain 
>> available in
>> the IETF Tools repository, so it would not be lost forever.
>>
>> What do you all think?
>> Does someone have a strong reason to publish it as an RFC?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Adrian (per pro Linda)
>>
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    <p>I think we should keep the gap analysis current with what ever
      gaps still are present.聽 Maybe move addressed gaps to a 'handled'
      section of the draft.聽 This way we have a history of what the gap
      analysis drove to completion.聽 Once all gaps are handled THEN we
      let it expire.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Bob<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/22/2016 07:16 AM, Diego R. Lopez
      wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:87F37726-42C4-43EC-8294-08003BC0B2F8@telefonica.com"
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      Hi Adrian,
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">I tend to agree with you on this. Just let me note
        that some material of the gap analysis could be incorporated
        somewhere else, in the documents that reference it and are going
        to follow the path to RFC. I鈥檇 like the authors of those
        documents consider the possibility if we finally agree to go as
        you suggest.</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">Be goode,</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
        <div>
          <blockquote type="cite" class="">
            <div class="">On 11 Oct 2016, at 23:19 , Adrian Farrel &lt;<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk"
                class="">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
            <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
            <div class="">Hi I2NSF,<br class="">
              <br class="">
              Our charter says...<br class="">
              <br class="">
              <blockquote type="cite" class="">The I2NSF working group's
                deliverables include:<br class="">
                <br class="">
                o A single document covering use cases, problem
                statement, and gap<br class="">
                聽聽analysis document. This document will initially be
                produced for reference<br class="">
                聽聽as a living list to track and record discussions: the
                working group may <br class="">
                聽聽decide to not publish this document as an RFC.<br
                  class="">
              </blockquote>
              <br class="">
              We split this work into
              draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases 聽and<br class="">
              draft-ietf-i2nsf-gap-analysis.<br class="">
              <br class="">
              It looks to me that the Problem Statement and Use Cases
              document is something<br class="">
              that the WG wants to push to RFC (please correct me if I'm
              wrong), but I am less<br class="">
              certain about the Gap Analysis.<br class="">
              <br class="">
              While the Gap Analysis is good work and has definitely
              helped us understand our<br class="">
              direction, I don't see a lot of value in publishing it as
              an RFC. My proposal<br class="">
              is, therefore, to keep it alive as a WG draft while it is
              useful reference<br class="">
              material, and then to let it expire. Expired drafts still
              remain available in<br class="">
              the IETF Tools repository, so it would not be lost
              forever.<br class="">
              <br class="">
              What do you all think?<br class="">
              Does someone have a strong reason to publish it as an RFC?<br
                class="">
              <br class="">
              Thanks,<br class="">
              Adrian (per pro Linda)<br class="">
              <br class="">
              _______________________________________________<br
                class="">
              I2nsf mailing list<br class="">
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:I2nsf@ietf.org"
                class="">I2nsf@ietf.org</a><br class="">
              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf</a><br class="">
            </div>
          </blockquote>
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            word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
            word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
            -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">
            --<br class="">
            "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"<br class="">
            <br class="">
            Dr Diego R. Lopez<br class="">
            Telefonica I+D<br class="">
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            <br class="">
            e-mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com">diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com</a><br class="">
            Tel: 聽 聽+34 913 129 041<br class="">
            Mobile: +34 682 051 091<br class="">
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I have completed my review and sent my comments to the authors.


I am struggling with the whole monitoring business.  What is the 
framework?  What is the responsiblilty of each workgroup ?  Note this 
draft completely missed RFC5424.


Bob


On 10/20/2016 10:35 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> Adrian and Linda,
>
>
> I have made a detailed review of this draft through sec 6.  I hope to 
> finish tomorrow.  I have sent my comments so far to the authors.  Most 
> are to clear up the text.
>
>
> As such:
>
> This is a valuable document that a YANG model alone document would not 
> provide.  It may be after I read the next few sections that I might 
> feel some of that part belongs in a YANG draft.  But the first few 
> sections are definitely needed in I2NSF.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 10/11/2016 05:21 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
>> Working Group,
>>
>> Linda and I would like to hear some more from you about
>> draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring.
>>
>> Is it something you think we should be working on?
>> Should we have a separate YANG module for it or fold it into other 
>> modules?
>> If we produce a YANG module, do we still need to publish the 
>> information model?
>>
>> And, most important, what do you think of the content of the draft?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Adrian
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Interface to Network Security Functions of the IETF.

        Title           : Interface to Network Security Functions (I2NSF) Terminology
        Authors         : Susan Hares
                          John Strassner
                          Diego R. Lopez
                          Liang Xia
                          Henk Birkholz
	Filename        : draft-ietf-i2nsf-terminology-02.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2016-10-23

Abstract:
   This document defines a set of terms that are used for the Interface
   to Network Security Functions (I2NSF) effort.


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As promised, a new version is now posted, specifically for helping to align
the framework draft.

Changelog:

Pages 3-4
   Rewrote Section 2
Page 4
   Removed Capability Interface
   Changed and expanded definition of Consumer
Page 6
  Added Flow
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div><br></div><div>Pages 3-4</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Rewrote Section 2</div>=
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Hi Diego,
Thanks for your comments.

Our draft can be aligned
with draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req-01 in that
ours deals with the interface between I2NSF Client and Security Controller.
However, draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req-01 does not clarify
the structure of
I2NSF Client in a detailed level, but our draft proposes such a detailed
structure for I2NSF Client.

In addition, our draft considers the policy update in I2NSF through the
report from an NSF
for a security attack (e.g., DDoS attack) or an event (e.g., the detection
of a new malware)
toward I2NSF Client. This updated policy is disseminated to the whole I2NSF
systems
for spontaneous reaction to the new security attack or event.

Like this, our draft is closely related to the the I2NSF framework.
Let us prepare for the text for the I2NSF framework draft, and then discuss
whether our text can fit the I2NSF framework.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul




On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Diego R. Lopez <
diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> While I find agreeable that your draft could be merged with another one
> (or other ones) in order to consolidate the documents to be produced by
> I2NSF, I am not 100% sure it should be the framework draft. Looking at th=
e
> proposals you make in your draft I see it more aligned with what the draf=
ts
> dealing with the client-facing interface are considering than with the
> general framework. In particular, draft-kumar-i2nsf-
> client-facing-interface-req-01
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interfa=
ce-req/> has
> a section(3.3) that discusses management deployment models, and I am unde=
r
> the impression this architecture you propose could be seen as a refinemen=
t
> of those models.
>
> Be goode,
>
> On 21 Oct 2016, at 02:54 , Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com=
>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Linda,
> Are you agreeing at merging our draft (draft-kim-i2nsf-security-
> management-architecture-02)
> into draft-ietf-i2nsf-framework-03?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best Regards,
> Paul
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 5:32 AM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Linda,
>> As a coauthor of this draft, I will answer your questions inline below.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hyoungshick, et al,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How would you position your draft-kim-i2nsf-security-management-archite=
cture-01
>>> with regard to the I2NSF framework draft? I find there are  a lot of
>>> duplicated content to the I2nsf framework draft.
>>>
>>
>>  [Paul] We would like to merge our draft into the i2nsf framework draft
>>  because our draft has one depth more detailed architecture.
>>  This detailed architecture will be helpful to implement the i2nsf
>> framework.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> There are some differences,  such as the following: Are you trying to
>>> define how =E2=80=9Csecurity policy=E2=80=9D is structured?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <image002.png>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>  [Paul] Our architecture allows an NSF to update a low-level policy and
>> apply it to the related high-level policy
>>  via the control path of Security Controller and Policy Collector
>> (renamed Event Collector in version 02) in Figure 1
>>  of our version 02:
>>  https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-security-manage
>> ment-architecture-02
>>
>>  For example, if an NSF of firewall detects a new DoS-attack host, it
>> reports the updated blacklist having
>>  the IP address of such a host to Application Logic in I2NSF Client via
>> Security Controller and Event Collector.
>>  Application Logic asks Policy Updater to disseminate the updated
>> blacklist to the security controllers
>>  under the administration of the same I2NSF Client.
>>
>>
>>> Will the =E2=80=9CHigh Level security management=E2=80=9D eventually le=
ad to Client
>>> Facing Policy data models?
>>>
>>
>>  [Paul] Yes, as explained above, the High-level security management lead=
s
>> to update and handle Client facing policy
>>  data models.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you plan to define interfaces between all those components depicted
>>> in Figure 1?  The interfaces between some of those components are not
>>> really in the I2NSF WG current charter, such as =E2=80=9CSecurity Polic=
y Manager=E2=80=9D
>>> <-> =E2=80=9CNSF Capability Manager=E2=80=9D,  or the interface between=
 =E2=80=9CApplication Logic=E2=80=9D
>>> <-> =E2=80=9CPolicy Updater=E2=80=9D.
>>>
>>
>>  [Paul]  Yes, we have a plan to define such interfaces.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Are those components in your current implementation? Is it like an
>>> =E2=80=9Cexample of one implementation=E2=80=9D?
>>>
>>
>>  [Paul] Though those components are not fully implemented yet in our
>> implementation, my team at SKKU
>>  will make implement those components in a later version.
>>
>>  Thanks for your clarification questions.
>>
>>  Best Regards,
>>  Paul
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Linda
>>>
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>>>
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>> Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor
>> Department of Software
>> Sungkyunkwan University
>> Office: +82-31-299-4957
>> Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
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> Assistant Professor
> Department of Software
> Sungkyunkwan University
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Diego,<div>Thanks for your comments.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Our draft can be aligned with=C2=A0draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-i=
nterface-req-01 in that</div><div>ours deals with the interface between I2N=
SF Client and Security Controller.</div><div>However, draft-kumar-i2nsf-cli=
ent-facing-interface-req-01 does not clarify the structure of=C2=A0</div><d=
iv>I2NSF Client in a detailed level, but our draft proposes such a detailed=
 structure for I2NSF Client.</div><div><br></div><div>In addition, our draf=
t considers the policy update in I2NSF through the report from an NSF=C2=A0=
</div><div>for a security attack (e.g., DDoS attack) or an event (e.g., the=
 detection of a new malware)</div><div>toward I2NSF Client. This updated po=
licy is disseminated to the whole I2NSF systems</div><div>for spontaneous r=
eaction to the new security attack or event.</div><div><br></div><div>Like =
this, our draft is closely related to the the I2NSF framework.</div><div>Le=
t us prepare for the text for the I2NSF framework draft, and then discuss</=
div><div>whether our text can fit the I2NSF framework.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div>Paul</div><di=
v><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Diego R. Lo=
pez <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
Hi Paul,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>While I find agreeable that your draft could be merged with another on=
e (or other ones) in order to consolidate the documents to be produced by I=
2NSF, I am not 100% sure it should be the framework draft. Looking at the p=
roposals you make in your
 draft I see it more aligned with what the drafts dealing with the client-f=
acing interface are considering than with the general framework. In particu=
lar,=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-i2nsf-cli=
ent-facing-interface-req/" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;text-decoration:n=
one" target=3D"_blank"><font color=3D"#000000">draft-kumar-i2nsf-<wbr>clien=
t-facing-interface-req-01</font></a><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(249=
,249,249)"><wbr>=C2=A0has
 a section(3.3) that discusses management deployment models, and I am under=
 the impression this architecture you propose could be seen as a refinement=
 of those models.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(249,249,249)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(249,249,249)">Be goode,</span></di=
v>
<div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(249,249,249)"><br>
</span>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"">
<div>On 21 Oct 2016, at 02:54 , Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"m_-4337571540378825920Apple-interchange-newline">
</span><div><span class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Linda,
<div>Are you agreeing at merging our draft (draft-kim-i2nsf-security-<wbr>m=
anagement-architecture-02)=C2=A0</div>
<div>into=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">draft-ietf-i2nsf-<wbr>frame=
work-03?</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Thanks.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Best Regards,</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Paul</span></div>
</div>
</span><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 5:32 AM,=
 Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <span dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.pau=
l@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"">Hi Linda,
<div>As a coauthor of this draft, I will answer your questions inline below=
.</div>
</span><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D""><span>On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 1:=
34 PM, Linda Dunbar
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"=
_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"m_-4337571540378825920m_-4236017432478052542gmail-m_-80801145=
67644017204WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hyoungshick, et al, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How would you position your draft-kim-i2nsf-security=
-manag<wbr>ement-architecture-01 with regard to the I2NSF framework draft? =
I find there are=C2=A0 a lot of duplicated content to the I2nsf framework d=
raft.</p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</span>
<div>=C2=A0[Paul] We would like to merge our draft into the i2nsf framework=
 draft=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0because our draft has one depth more detailed architecture.</div=
>
<div>=C2=A0This detailed architecture will be helpful to implement the i2ns=
f framework.=C2=A0</div>
</span><span>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"m_-4337571540378825920m_-4236017432478052542gmail-m_-80801145=
67644017204WordSection1"><span class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are some differences, =C2=A0such as the follow=
ing: Are you trying to define how =E2=80=9Csecurity policy=E2=80=9D is stru=
ctured? =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</span><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span id=3D"m_-4337571540378825920cid:image00=
2.png@01D21F04.D52074D0">&lt;image002.png&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</span><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div>=C2=A0[Paul] Our architecture allows an NSF to update a low-level poli=
cy and apply it to the related high-level policy</div>
<div>=C2=A0via the control path of Security Controller and Policy Collector=
 (renamed Event Collector in version 02) in Figure 1</div>
<div>=C2=A0of our version 02:</div>
<div>=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-security-=
management-architecture-02" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/d=
<wbr>raft-kim-i2nsf-security-manage<wbr>ment-architecture-02</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0For example, if an NSF of firewall detects a new DoS-attack host=
, it reports the updated blacklist having</div>
<div>=C2=A0the IP address of such a host to Application Logic in I2NSF Clie=
nt via Security Controller and Event Collector.=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0Application Logic asks Policy Updater to disseminate the updated=
 blacklist to the security controllers=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0under the administration of the same I2NSF Client.=C2=A0</div>
<span>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"m_-4337571540378825920m_-4236017432478052542gmail-m_-80801145=
67644017204WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Will the =E2=80=9CHigh Level security management=E2=
=80=9D eventually lead to Client Facing Policy data models?</p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</span>
<div>=C2=A0[Paul] Yes, as explained above, the High-level security manageme=
nt leads to update and handle Client facing policy=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0data models.</div>
<span>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"m_-4337571540378825920m_-4236017432478052542gmail-m_-80801145=
67644017204WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></sp=
an></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do you plan to define interfaces between all those c=
omponents depicted in Figure 1?=C2=A0 The interfaces between some of those =
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Hi Bob, Diego, all,
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This sounds like a plan to me.
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As for other docs making references, so long as those references are =
Informative and not Normative, it's fine. If, on the other hand, you =
find yourself relying on something (i.e., Normative reference) you will =
probably want to lift the text into your own document.
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Thanks,
Adrian
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Sent: 23 October 2016 02:17
To: Diego R. Lopez; adrian@olddog.co.uk
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Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Thinking about what to do with =
draft-ietf-i2nsf-gap-analysis
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I think we should keep the gap analysis current with what ever gaps =
still are present.  Maybe move addressed gaps to a 'handled' section of =
the draft.  This way we have a history of what the gap analysis drove to =
completion.  Once all gaps are handled THEN we let it expire.
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Bob
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On 10/22/2016 07:16 AM, Diego R. Lopez wrote:
Hi Adrian,=20
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I tend to agree with you on this. Just let me note that some material of =
the gap analysis could be incorporated somewhere else, in the documents =
that reference it and are going to follow the path to RFC. I=E2=80=99d =
like the authors of those documents consider the possibility if we =
finally agree to go as you suggest.
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Be goode,
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On 11 Oct 2016, at 23:19 , Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
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Hi I2NSF,

Our charter says...



The I2NSF working group's deliverables include:

o A single document covering use cases, problem statement, and gap
  analysis document. This document will initially be produced for =
reference
  as a living list to track and record discussions: the working group =
may=20
  decide to not publish this document as an RFC.

We split this work into draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases  and
draft-ietf-i2nsf-gap-analysis.

It looks to me that the Problem Statement and Use Cases document is =
something
that the WG wants to push to RFC (please correct me if I'm wrong), but I =
am less
certain about the Gap Analysis.

While the Gap Analysis is good work and has definitely helped us =
understand our
direction, I don't see a lot of value in publishing it as an RFC. My =
proposal
is, therefore, to keep it alive as a WG draft while it is useful =
reference
material, and then to let it expire. Expired drafts still remain =
available in
the IETF Tools repository, so it would not be lost forever.

What do you all think?
Does someone have a strong reason to publish it as an RFC?

Thanks,
Adrian (per pro Linda)

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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>This sounds like a plan to =
me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>As for other docs making =
references, so long as those references are Informative and not =
Normative, it's fine. If, on the other hand, you find yourself relying =
on something (i.e., Normative reference) you will probably want to lift =
the text into your own document.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-f=
ont-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-f=
ont-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> =
Robert Moskowitz [mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 23 =
October 2016 02:17<br><b>To:</b> Diego R. Lopez; =
adrian@olddog.co.uk<br><b>Cc:</b> i2nsf@ietf.org; =
draft-ietf-i2nsf-gap-analysis@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] =
Thinking about what to do with =
draft-ietf-i2nsf-gap-analysis<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>I think we should keep the gap =
analysis current with what ever gaps still are present.&nbsp; Maybe move =
addressed gaps to a 'handled' section of the draft.&nbsp; This way we =
have a history of what the gap analysis drove to completion.&nbsp; Once =
all gaps are handled THEN we let it =
expire.<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>Bob<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>On 10/22/2016 07:16 =
AM, Diego R. Lopez wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>Hi Adrian, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>I tend to agree with you on this. Just let me note that some =
material of the gap analysis could be incorporated somewhere else, in =
the documents that reference it and are going to follow the path to RFC. =
I=E2=80=99d like the authors of those documents consider the possibility =
if we finally agree to go as you =
suggest.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>Be goode,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>On 11 Oct 2016, at 23:19 , Adrian Farrel &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Hi I2NSF,<br><br>Our =
charter says...<br><br style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'><![if =
!supportLineBreakNewLine]><br =
style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'><![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>The I2NSF working group's deliverables include:<br><br>o A =
single document covering use cases, problem statement, and =
gap<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;analysis document. This document will initially be =
produced for reference<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;as a living list to track and =
record discussions: the working group may <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;decide to not =
publish this document as an RFC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><br>We split this work into =
draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases =
&nbsp;and<br>draft-ietf-i2nsf-gap-analysis.<br><br>It looks to me that =
the Problem Statement and Use Cases document is something<br>that the WG =
wants to push to RFC (please correct me if I'm wrong), but I am =
less<br>certain about the Gap Analysis.<br><br>While the Gap Analysis is =
good work and has definitely helped us understand our<br>direction, I =
don't see a lot of value in publishing it as an RFC. My proposal<br>is, =
therefore, to keep it alive as a WG draft while it is useful =
reference<br>material, and then to let it expire. Expired drafts still =
remain available in<br>the IETF Tools repository, so it would not be =
lost forever.<br><br>What do you all think?<br>Does someone have a =
strong reason to publish it as an RFC?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Adrian (per pro =
Linda)<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>I2nsf =
mailing list<br><a =
href=3D"mailto:I2nsf@ietf.org">I2nsf@ietf.org</a><br><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf">https://www.ietf.org=
/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>--<br>&quot;Esta vez =
no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno&quot;<br><br>Dr Diego R. =
Lopez<br>Telefonica I+D<br><a =
href=3D"http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/">http://people.tid.es/diego.lop=
ez/</a><br><br>e-mail: <a =
href=3D"mailto:diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com">diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com=
</a><br>Tel: &nbsp; &nbsp;+34 913 129 041<br>Mobile: +34 682 051 =
091<br>----------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-- <br></span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman"'>Robert Moskowitz<br>Owner<br>HTT Consulting</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br></span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman"'>C:</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman"'>248-219-2059<br>F:</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman"'>248-968-2824<br>E:</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com">rgm@labs.htt-consult.com</a><br>=
<br>There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter =
who gets the credit</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
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Hi Diego,

El 22/10/2016 a las 13:05, Diego R. Lopez escribi=C3=B3:
> Hi Gabi,
>=20
> With the due apologies for the delay in replying (due to a period =
dedicated to project calls, you know how it is=E2=80=A6) let me try to =
address your comments inline below.
>=20
>> On 6 Oct 2016, at 12:52 , Gabriel Lopez <gabilm@um.es =
<mailto:gabilm@um.es>> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> - =E2=80=9CThis draft proposes that a capability interface to NSFs =
can be developed on a flow-based paradigm=E2=80=A6.=E2=80=9D
>> - What about the other three interfaces: registration, monitoring and =
notification?
>=20
> DRL> We have to align the text with the recent agreements on the =
different interfaces and their naming. At the moment of the writing of =
that paragraph =E2=80=9Ccapability=E2=80=9D was a synonym of =
=E2=80=9CNSF-facing=E2=80=9D.=20
>=20
[Gabi] ok
>> - Section 3.3 talks about the =E2=80=9CRegistration Interface=E2=80=9D =
communicating the Security Controller and the Developer=E2=80=99s Mngt =
systems, and Section 3.2.1 also talks about =E2=80=9CRegistration =
Interface=E2=80=9D but now referring to the communication between the =
Security Controller and the NSF.=20
>> - Interface=E2=80=99s name should be change here.
>=20
> DRL> Indeed. See above
>=20
>> - Section 4. The terms =E2=80=9Cclient=E2=80=9D should be clarified =
here to avoid ambiguity.
>=20
> DRL> Noted
>=20
>> - Section 7.1.=20
>> -In the last example, the text says:=20
>> - An Event can be "the client has passed AAA process"; =E2=86=92 the =
term client should also be clarified, do you mean =E2=80=9Cend user=E2=80=9D=
, =E2=80=9Cendpoint=E2=80=9D?
>> - I like the example based on IPsec, but I think the example could be =
something like (just suggesting):
>> =E2=80=A2 Event: =E2=80=9Ctraffic type X detected=E2=80=9D
>> =E2=80=A2 Condition: =E2=80=9Cfrom domain-A to domain-B=E2=80=9D
>> =E2=80=A2 Action: =E2=80=9CEstablish an IPsec tunnel=E2=80=9D
>=20
> DRL> Thanks for the suggestion. I=E2=80=99ll work on it
>=20
>> - In general, sometimes IPS/IDP examples are used, sometimes IPsec =
ones, sometimes Firewalls o DDoS, but they are not related from one =
section to another. I suggest to make use of one or two running examples =
across the whole document.
>=20
> DRL> Good point. I=E2=80=99d say the reason comes from the fact that =
the current document combines contributions from several others. I=E2=80=99=
ll go through it trying to align examples, or justifying the use of a =
different one in a particular section.
>=20
>> - Section 8
>> - This sentence =E2=80=9CIt is very possible that the underlay =
network (or provider network) does not have the capability or resource =
to enforce the flow security policies requested by the overlay network =
(or enterprise network)=E2=80=9D is quite confusing.=20
>> - The association between underlay/provider and overlay/enterprise is =
not described.
>=20
> DRL> I think the association is clear, as an implicit one backed by =
common practice, but if you can you suggest a better wording it would be =
welcome.


 [Gabi] I think removing the =E2=80=9Cprovider" and =E2=80=9Centerprise" =
references avoid confusion, just suggesting .... =E2=80=9CIt is very =
possible that the underlay network does not have the capability or =
resource to enforce the flow security policies requested by the overlay =
network=E2=80=9D

>=20
>> - Section 9.
>> - Section 9.1
>> -In this section Firewalls, IPS and IDS are described but it seems =
more a closed list rather than examples. I think it should be clarified. =
BTW, security gateways (IPsec) may be included in the list of =
=E2=80=9Ccommonly deployed NSF=E2=80=9D.
>=20
> DRL> Noted
>=20
>> - Section 9 is labelled =E2=80=9CRegistration consideration=E2=80=9D =
but talks about =E2=80=9Ctraffic characterization=E2=80=9D=20
>> - What =E2=80=9CRegistration=E2=80=9D means here? capability =
registration? security services? and why it is related with traffic =
characterization should be described.
>=20
> DRL> The section is intended to consider the aspects related to public =
registries, typically run by IANA. You are right this is not clear in =
the text. I will update the introduction to this section.
>=20
> I plan to update the draft during the coming days, trying to address =
your comments and suggestions, as well as others. Stay tuned.

[Gabi] Sure.=20

Regards, Gabi.

>=20
> Be goode,
>=20
> --
> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"
>=20
> Dr Diego R. Lopez
> Telefonica I+D
> http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ <http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/>
>=20
> e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com =
<mailto:diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>
> Tel:    +34 913 129 041
> Mobile: +34 682 051 091
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Spain
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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">El 22/10/2016 a las 13:05, Diego R.
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    </div>
    <blockquote =
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      Hi Gabi,
      <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
      </div>
      <div class=3D"">With the due apologies for the delay in replying
        (due to a period dedicated to project calls, you know how it
        is=E2=80=A6) let me try to address your comments inline =
below.</div>
      <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        <div class=3D"">
          <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
            <div class=3D"">On 6 Oct 2016, at 12:52 , Gabriel Lopez =
&lt;<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:gabilm@um.es" =
class=3D"">gabilm@um.es</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
            <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
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                      <div class=3D"">
                        <div class=3D"">- =E2=80=9CThis draft proposes =
that a
                          capability interface to NSFs can =
be&nbsp;developed
                          on a flow-based paradigm=E2=80=A6.=E2=80=9D</div=
>
                        <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>-&nbsp;What
                          about the other three interfaces:
                          registration, monitoring and =
notification?</div>
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          </blockquote>
          <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
          </div>
          <div class=3D"">DRL&gt; We have to align the text with the =
recent
            agreements on the different interfaces and their naming. At
            the moment of the writing of that paragraph =E2=80=9Ccapabilit=
y=E2=80=9D was
            a synonym of =E2=80=9CNSF-facing=E2=80=9D.&nbsp;</div>
          <br class=3D"">
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    [Gabi] ok<br class=3D"">
    <blockquote =
cite=3D"mid:B49DBE05-BFDA-4DE7-9C26-2D2C5E6DA83A@telefonica.com" =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
      <div class=3D"">
        <div class=3D"">
          <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
            <div class=3D"">
              <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:
                space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">=

                <div class=3D"">
                  <div class=3D"">
                    <div style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: normal;
                      font-variant-position: normal;
                      font-variant-numeric: normal;
                      font-variant-alternates: normal;
                      font-variant-east-asian: normal; orphans: auto;
                      text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto;
                      word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
                      -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">
                      <div class=3D"">
                        <div class=3D"">- Section 3.3 talks about the
                          =E2=80=9CRegistration Interface=E2=80=9D =
communicating the
                          Security Controller and the Developer=E2=80=99s =
Mngt
                          systems, and Section 3.2.1 also talks about
                          =E2=80=9CRegistration Interface=E2=80=9D but =
now referring to
                          the communication between the Security
                          Controller and the NSF.&nbsp;</div>
                        <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>-&nbsp;Interface=E2=80=99s
                          name should be change here.</div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
          </div>
          <div class=3D"">DRL&gt; Indeed. See above</div>
          <br class=3D"">
          <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
            <div class=3D"">
              <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:
                space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">=

                <div class=3D"">
                  <div class=3D"">
                    <div style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: normal;
                      font-variant-position: normal;
                      font-variant-numeric: normal;
                      font-variant-alternates: normal;
                      font-variant-east-asian: normal; orphans: auto;
                      text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto;
                      word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
                      -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">
                      <div class=3D"">
                        <div class=3D"">- Section 4. The terms =
=E2=80=9Cclient=E2=80=9D
                          should be clarified here to avoid =
ambiguity.</div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
          </div>
          <div class=3D"">DRL&gt; Noted</div>
          <br class=3D"">
          <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
            <div class=3D"">
              <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:
                space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">=

                <div class=3D"">
                  <div class=3D"">
                    <div style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: normal;
                      font-variant-position: normal;
                      font-variant-numeric: normal;
                      font-variant-alternates: normal;
                      font-variant-east-asian: normal; orphans: auto;
                      text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto;
                      word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
                      -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">
                      <div class=3D"">
                        <div class=3D"">- Section 7.1.&nbsp;</div>
                        <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>-In
                          the last example, the text says:&nbsp;</div>
                        <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>-&nbsp;An
                          Event can be "the client has passed AAA
                          process"; =E2=86=92 the term client should =
also be
                          clarified, do you mean =E2=80=9Cend user=E2=80=9D=
, =E2=80=9Cendpoint=E2=80=9D?<br class=3D"">
                        </div>
                        <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>-&nbsp;I
                          like the example based on IPsec, but I think
                          the example could be something like (just
                          suggesting):<br class=3D"">
                        </div>
                        <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>=E2=80=A2
                          Event: =E2=80=9Ctraffic type X detected=E2=80=9D=
<br class=3D"">
                        </div>
                        <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>=E2=80=A2
                          Condition: =E2=80=9Cfrom domain-A to =
domain-B=E2=80=9D<br class=3D"">
                        </div>
                        <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>=E2=80=A2
                          Action: =E2=80=9CEstablish an IPsec =
tunnel=E2=80=9D</div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
          </div>
          <div class=3D"">DRL&gt; Thanks for the suggestion. I=E2=80=99ll =
work on it</div>
          <br class=3D"">
          <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
            <div class=3D"">
              <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:
                space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">=

                <div class=3D"">
                  <div class=3D"">
                    <div style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: normal;
                      font-variant-position: normal;
                      font-variant-numeric: normal;
                      font-variant-alternates: normal;
                      font-variant-east-asian: normal; orphans: auto;
                      text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto;
                      word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
                      -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">
                      <div class=3D"">
                        <div class=3D"">- In general, sometimes IPS/IDP
                          examples are used, sometimes IPsec ones,
                          sometimes Firewalls o DDoS, but they are not
                          related from one section to another. I suggest
                          to make use of one or two running examples
                          across the whole document.</div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
          </div>
          <div class=3D"">DRL&gt; Good point. I=E2=80=99d say the reason =
comes from the
            fact that the current document combines contributions from
            several others. I=E2=80=99ll go through it trying to align =
examples,
            or justifying the use of a different one in a particular
            section.</div>
          <br class=3D"">
          <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
            <div class=3D"">
              <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:
                space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">=

                <div class=3D"">
                  <div class=3D"">
                    <div style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: normal;
                      font-variant-position: normal;
                      font-variant-numeric: normal;
                      font-variant-alternates: normal;
                      font-variant-east-asian: normal; orphans: auto;
                      text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto;
                      word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
                      -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">
                      <div class=3D"">
                        <div class=3D"">- Section 8</div>
                        <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>-&nbsp;This
                          sentence =E2=80=9CIt is very possible that the
                          underlay network (or provider network) does
                          not have the capability or resource to enforce
                          the flow security policies requested by the
                          overlay network (or enterprise network)=E2=80=9D=
 is
                          quite confusing.&nbsp;</div>
                        <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>-&nbsp;The
                          association between underlay/provider and
                          overlay/enterprise is not described.</div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
          </div>
          <div class=3D"">DRL&gt; I think the association is clear, as =
an implicit
            one backed by common practice, but if you can you suggest a
            better wording it would be =
welcome.</div></div></div></blockquote><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" =
text=3D"#000000" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" =
text=3D"#000000" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" =
text=3D"#000000" class=3D"">&nbsp;[Gabi] I think removing the =
=E2=80=9Cprovider" and =E2=80=9Centerprise" references avoid confusion, =
just suggesting .... =E2=80=9CIt is very possible that the underlay =
network does not have the capability or resource to enforce the flow =
security policies&nbsp;requested by the overlay network=E2=80=9D</div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote =
cite=3D"mid:B49DBE05-BFDA-4DE7-9C26-2D2C5E6DA83A@telefonica.com" =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">
          <br class=3D"">
          <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
            <div class=3D"">
              <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:
                space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">=

                <div class=3D"">
                  <div class=3D"">
                    <div style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: normal;
                      font-variant-position: normal;
                      font-variant-numeric: normal;
                      font-variant-alternates: normal;
                      font-variant-east-asian: normal; orphans: auto;
                      text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto;
                      word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
                      -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">
                      <div class=3D"">
                        <div class=3D"">- Section 9.</div>
                        <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>-&nbsp;Section
                          9.1</div>
                        <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>-In
                          this section Firewalls, IPS and IDS are
                          described but it seems more a closed list
                          rather than examples. I think it should be
                          clarified. BTW, security gateways (IPsec) may
                          be included in the list of =E2=80=9Ccommonly =
deployed
                          NSF=E2=80=9D.</div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
          </div>
          <div class=3D"">DRL&gt; Noted</div>
          <br class=3D"">
          <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
            <div class=3D"">
              <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:
                space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">=

                <div class=3D"">
                  <div class=3D"">
                    <div style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: normal;
                      font-variant-position: normal;
                      font-variant-numeric: normal;
                      font-variant-alternates: normal;
                      font-variant-east-asian: normal; orphans: auto;
                      text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto;
                      word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
                      -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">
                      <div class=3D"">
                        <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>-&nbsp;Section
                          9 is labelled =E2=80=9CRegistration =
consideration=E2=80=9D but
                          talks about =E2=80=9Ctraffic =
characterization=E2=80=9D&nbsp;</div>
                        <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>-&nbsp;What
                          =E2=80=9CRegistration=E2=80=9D means here? =
capability
                          registration? security services? and why it is
                          related with traffic characterization should
                          be described.</div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
          </div>
          <div class=3D"">DRL&gt; The section is intended to consider =
the aspects
            related to public registries, typically run by IANA. You are
            right this is not clear in the text. I will update the
            introduction to this section.</div>
          <br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <div class=3D"">I plan to update the draft during the coming =
days, trying
          to address your comments and suggestions, as well as others.
          Stay tuned.</div></div></blockquote><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" =
text=3D"#000000" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" =
text=3D"#000000" class=3D"">[Gabi] Sure.&nbsp;</div><div =
bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000" class=3D"">Regards, Gabi.</div><div =
bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote =
cite=3D"mid:B49DBE05-BFDA-4DE7-9C26-2D2C5E6DA83A@telefonica.com" =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <div class=3D"">Be goode,</div>
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <div apple-content-edited=3D"true" class=3D"">
          <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal;
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            word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
            -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">
            --<br class=3D"">
            "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"<br class=3D"">
            <br class=3D"">
            Dr Diego R. Lopez<br class=3D"">
            Telefonica I+D<br class=3D"">
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I agree as well.

regards,
John

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 4:13 AM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Bob, Diego, all,
>
>
>
> This sounds like a plan to me.
>
>
>
> As for other docs making references, so long as those references are
> Informative and not Normative, it's fine. If, on the other hand, you find
> yourself relying on something (i.e., Normative reference) you will probab=
ly
> want to lift the text into your own document.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adrian
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert Moskowitz [mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com]
> *Sent:* 23 October 2016 02:17
> *To:* Diego R. Lopez; adrian@olddog.co.uk
> *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-i2nsf-gap-analysis@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] Thinking about what to do with
> draft-ietf-i2nsf-gap-analysis
>
>
>
> I think we should keep the gap analysis current with what ever gaps still
> are present.  Maybe move addressed gaps to a 'handled' section of the
> draft.  This way we have a history of what the gap analysis drove to
> completion.  Once all gaps are handled THEN we let it expire.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> On 10/22/2016 07:16 AM, Diego R. Lopez wrote:
>
> Hi Adrian,
>
>
>
> I tend to agree with you on this. Just let me note that some material of
> the gap analysis could be incorporated somewhere else, in the documents
> that reference it and are going to follow the path to RFC. I=E2=80=99d li=
ke the
> authors of those documents consider the possibility if we finally agree t=
o
> go as you suggest.
>
>
>
> Be goode,
>
>
>
> On 11 Oct 2016, at 23:19 , Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi I2NSF,
>
> Our charter says...
>
>
> The I2NSF working group's deliverables include:
>
> o A single document covering use cases, problem statement, and gap
>   analysis document. This document will initially be produced for referen=
ce
>   as a living list to track and record discussions: the working group may
>   decide to not publish this document as an RFC.
>
>
> We split this work into draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-use-cases  and
> draft-ietf-i2nsf-gap-analysis.
>
> It looks to me that the Problem Statement and Use Cases document is
> something
> that the WG wants to push to RFC (please correct me if I'm wrong), but I
> am less
> certain about the Gap Analysis.
>
> While the Gap Analysis is good work and has definitely helped us
> understand our
> direction, I don't see a lot of value in publishing it as an RFC. My
> proposal
> is, therefore, to keep it alive as a WG draft while it is useful referenc=
e
> material, and then to let it expire. Expired drafts still remain availabl=
e
> in
> the IETF Tools repository, so it would not be lost forever.
>
> What do you all think?
> Does someone have a strong reason to publish it as an RFC?
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian (per pro Linda)
>
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>
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> http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/
>
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> Tel:    +34 913 129 041
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>
>
>
>
>
> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I agree as well.</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</d=
iv><div>John</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 4:13 AM, Adrian Farrel <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.=
uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-=
GB" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue" bgcolor=3D"white"><div class=3D"m_-10657=
35953371397794WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497=
d">Hi Bob, Diego, all,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">This sounds like a plan to me.<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">As for othe=
r docs making references, so long as those references are Informative and n=
ot Normative, it&#39;s fine. If, on the other hand, you find yourself relyi=
ng on something (i.e., Normative reference) you will probably want to lift =
the text into your own document.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Adrian<u></u><u></u></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></sp=
an></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0=
cm 0cm 4.0pt"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt=
;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:wind=
owtext"> Robert Moskowitz [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">rgm@labs.htt-consult.<wbr>com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 23=
 October 2016 02:17<br><b>To:</b> Diego R. Lopez; <a href=3D"mailto:adrian@=
olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.org</a>; <a href=
=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-i2nsf-gap-analysis@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-=
ietf-i2nsf-gap-analysis@<wbr>ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] Th=
inking about what to do with draft-ietf-i2nsf-gap-analysis<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p>I thi=
nk we should keep the gap analysis current with what ever gaps still are pr=
esent.=C2=A0 Maybe move addressed gaps to a &#39;handled&#39; section of th=
e draft.=C2=A0 This way we have a history of what the gap analysis drove to=
 completion.=C2=A0 Once all gaps are handled THEN we let it expire.<u></u><=
u></u></p><p><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p>Bob<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span>On 10/22/2016 07:16 AM, Diego R. Lopez wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>=
</div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi Adrian, <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span>I tend to agree with you on this. Just let me note that some ma=
terial of the gap analysis could be incorporated somewhere else, in the doc=
uments that reference it and are going to follow the path to RFC. I=E2=80=
=99d like the authors of those documents consider the possibility if we fin=
ally agree to go as you suggest.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span>Be goode,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><blockquote style=3D"m=
argin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>On 1=
1 Oct 2016, at 23:19 , Adrian Farrel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co=
.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi I2NSF,<br><br>Our charter says...<br><br=
><u></u><br><u></u><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Th=
e I2NSF working group&#39;s deliverables include:<br><br>o A single documen=
t covering use cases, problem statement, and gap<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0analysis do=
cument. This document will initially be produced for reference<br>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0as a living list to track and record discussions: the working group may =
<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0decide to not publish this document as an RFC.<u></u><u></u=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><br>We split this work into draft-=
ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-<wbr>use-cases =C2=A0and<br>draft-ietf-i2nsf-gap-ana=
lysis.<br><br>It looks to me that the Problem Statement and Use Cases docum=
ent is something<br>that the WG wants to push to RFC (please correct me if =
I&#39;m wrong), but I am less<br>certain about the Gap Analysis.<br><br>Whi=
le the Gap Analysis is good work and has definitely helped us understand ou=
r<br>direction, I don&#39;t see a lot of value in publishing it as an RFC. =
My proposal<br>is, therefore, to keep it alive as a WG draft while it is us=
eful reference<br>material, and then to let it expire. Expired drafts still=
 remain available in<br>the IETF Tools repository, so it would not be lost =
forever.<br><br>What do you all think?<br>Does someone have a strong reason=
 to publish it as an RFC?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Adrian (per pro Linda)<br><br>_=
_____________________________<wbr>_________________<br>I2nsf mailing list<b=
r><a href=3D"mailto:I2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">I2nsf@ietf.org</a><br=
><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf" target=3D"_blank">=
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/i2nsf</a><u></u><u></u></span></=
p></div></blockquote></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>--<br>&quot;Esta vez no =
fallaremos, Doctor Infierno&quot;<br><br>Dr Diego R. Lopez<br>Telefonica I+=
D<br><a href=3D"http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/people.tid.es/diego.<wbr>lopez/</a><br><br>e-mail: <a href=3D"mailto:diego=
.r.lopez@telefonica.com" target=3D"_blank">diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com</a>=
<br>Tel: =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"tel:%2B34%20913%20129%20041" target=3D"_bl=
ank" value=3D"+34913129041">+34 913 129 041</a><br>Mobile: <a href=3D"tel:%=
2B34%20682%20051%20091" target=3D"_blank" value=3D"+34682051091">+34 682 05=
1 091</a><br>------------------------------<wbr>----<u></u><u></u></span></=
p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<span class=3D"HOEn=
Zb"><font color=3D"#888888"><u></u></font></span></span></p></div></blockqu=
ote><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>-- <b=
r></span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;">Robert Moskowitz<br>Owner<br>HTT Consulting</span><span><br></span><span=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">C:</span><s=
pan>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><a href=3D"tel:248-219-2059" targe=
t=3D"_blank" value=3D"+12482192059">248-219-2059</a><br>F:</span><span>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><a href=3D"tel:248-968-2824" target=3D"_b=
lank" value=3D"+12489682824">248-968-2824</a><br>E:</span><span>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><a href=3D"mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">rgm@labs.htt-consult.<wbr>com</a><br><br>There&#39;s no limi=
t to what can be accomplished if it doesn&#39;t matter who gets the credit<=
/span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></font></span></div></div></div>=
<br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
I2nsf mailing list<br>
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el=3D"noreferrer">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/i2nsf</a><br>
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_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div>regards,</div><div>John=
</div></div>
</div>

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I2NSF Participants:=20

A few reminders as we approach the meeting in Seoul.

** The final agenda currently has us meeting on Monday, November 14th 15:50=
-17:50.  So we won't have the luxury of fine-tuned face to face discussion =
among key authors before the formal meeting. We may need to have some confe=
rence calls prior to the meeting if we need to flush out different opinions=
 on some drafts.=20

** If you'd like time on the agenda, please send a note to the chairs.

** The I-D draft cut off is Monday, October 31st.

Regards,
Linda & Adrian



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Hi all,

The main reason for publishing an information model is to support multiple
data models that are derived from it.

I realize that the IETF is worried mainly about YANG data models. That is
perfectly well and good. However, security controllers will need to
interface with compute, storage, and other systems that have poor (if any)
YANG coverage. As soon as I go into a data center or a cloud, YANG is
simply not used for compute and storage solutions.

This means that we can either ignore that, and build a silo, or take it
into account, or not.

   If we choose to ignore, there is no reason to publish the info model.
   If we choose not to ignore, and want to support other data models, then
we SHOULD publish the info model as well. Even if we only have 1 data model
now.

Hence, I personally would prefer two publications - one for the info model,
and one for the YANG data model.


best,
John


On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Diego R. Lopez <
diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
>
> Agree: it is a useful tool but should not be a separate publication. The
> only reason for publishing the information model could be to do so in the
> same document as the data model, as rationale supporting it, and even
> giving the opportunity for alternate data models using other data
> representations (TOSCA, for example, very much in fashion in cloudspace).
>
> Be goode,
>
> On 14 Oct 2016, at 11:54 , Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Thanks, all, for the useful comments about this document.
>
> It seems clear that there is support for developing this work and
> producing a
> data model for monitoring.
>
> Two points:
>
> 1. As noted by Sue, there is a BoF/WG planned for IETF-98 on "Security
> Events".
> I suggest you go to that. I will also make sure the AD is aware of the
> potential
> overlap/interaction.
>
> 2. It seems reasonable to me that producing an information model (such as
> in
> draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring) is a useful step toward
> producing a
> data model. I have no objection to using a structured approach. However, my
> question about "publication" could be phrased as follows:
> - Suppose we decide we want a data model for monitoring
> - Suppose we use draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring to guide
>   our work on that data model
> - Suppose that we push ahead with the data model quite soon so
>   that it starts to catch up with the info model
> If all of those things apply, why would we need to publish an RFC that
> captures
> the information model given that we will be publishing a data model shortly
> afterwards?
> Presumably, once the data model is published, no one will ever read the
> information model.
> So the information model would be a valuable document working document in
> which
> the WG would capture its thoughts and consensus, but would be discarded
> once the
> work to make the data model was complete.
>
> Or am I wrong?
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com <shares@ndzh.com>]
> Sent: 13 October 2016 14:49
> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; i2nsf@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [I2nsf] Thoughts on draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring
>
> Adrian:
>
> Why: Monitoring is a key component to I2NSF for monitoring NSF devices.
> Monitoring is not the same as NSF devices sending notifications - which is
> a
> push from the NSF devices.  Monitoring may encompasses specific requests to
> the device.   Monitoring is different than the DOTS - "help me" cry from a
> device under attack.
> While I see the security ADs are proposing Security event, it is important
> that the I2NSF create monitoring concepts that work with all of the
> functions (e.g. querying capabilities, sending/receiving notification, and
> events).
>
> Data model versus Information model:  Since we do not seem to have a clear
> idea of what the data model should be, it is important to create the
> informational models.
>
> The content of the draft is a good first step.
>
> Sue Hares
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org <i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org>] On
> Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 5:22 PM
> To: i2nsf@ietf.org
> Subject: [I2nsf] Thoughts on draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring
>
> Working Group,
>
> Linda and I would like to hear some more from you about
> draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring.
>
> Is it something you think we should be working on?
> Should we have a separate YANG module for it or fold it into other modules?
> If we produce a YANG module, do we still need to publish the information
> model?
>
> And, most important, what do you think of the content of the draft?
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
>
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>
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>
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>
> e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>The main reason for =
publishing an information model is to support multiple data models that are=
 derived from it.</div><div><br></div><div>I realize that the IETF is worri=
ed mainly about YANG data models. That is perfectly well and good. However,=
 security controllers will need to interface with compute, storage, and oth=
er systems that have poor (if any) YANG coverage.=C2=A0As soon as I go into=
 a data center or a cloud, YANG is simply not used for compute and storage =
solutions.</div><div><br></div><div>This means that we can either ignore th=
at, and build a silo, or take it into account, or not.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 If we choose to ignore, there is no reason to publish the=
 info model.</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 If we choose not to ignore, and want to=
=C2=A0support other data models, then we SHOULD publish the info model as w=
ell. Even if we only have 1 data model now.</div><div><br></div><div>Hence,=
 I personally would prefer two publications - one for the info model, and o=
ne for the YANG data model.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>best,</=
div><div>John</div><div><div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"></blockquote></=
div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Diego R. Lopez <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com" target=3D"_blank">diego.r.lopez@t=
elefonica.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
Hi Adrian,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Agree: it is a useful tool but should not be a separate publication. T=
he only reason for publishing the information model could be to do so in th=
e same document as the data model, as rationale supporting it, and even giv=
ing the opportunity for
 alternate data models using other data representations (TOSCA, for example=
, very much in fashion in cloudspace).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Be goode,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On 14 Oct 2016, at 11:54 , Adrian Farrel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@=
olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"m_-1289285793688351187m_8599266674671808683Apple-interchange-n=
ewline">
<div>Thanks, all, for the useful comments about this document.<br>
<br>
It seems clear that there is support for developing this work and producing=
 a<br>
data model for monitoring.<br>
<br>
Two points:<br>
<br>
1. As noted by Sue, there is a BoF/WG planned for IETF-98 on &quot;Security=
 Events&quot;.<br>
I suggest you go to that. I will also make sure the AD is aware of the pote=
ntial<br>
overlap/interaction.<br>
<br>
2. It seems reasonable to me that producing an information model (such as i=
n<br>
draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-m<wbr>onitoring) is a useful step toward produ=
cing a<br>
data model. I have no objection to using a structured approach. However, my=
<br>
question about &quot;publication&quot; could be phrased as follows:<br>
- Suppose we decide we want a data model for monitoring<br>
- Suppose we use draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-m<wbr>onitoring to guide<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0our work on that data model<br>
- Suppose that we push ahead with the data model quite soon so<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0that it starts to catch up with the info model<br>
If all of those things apply, why would we need to publish an RFC that capt=
ures<br>
the information model given that we will be publishing a data model shortly=
<br>
afterwards?<br>
Presumably, once the data model is published, no one will ever read the<br>
information model.<br>
So the information model would be a valuable document working document in w=
hich<br>
the WG would capture its thoughts and consensus, but would be discarded onc=
e the<br>
work to make the data model was complete.<br>
<br>
Or am I wrong?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Adrian<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Susan Hares [<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank">mai=
lto:shares@ndzh.com</a>]<br>
Sent: 13 October 2016 14:49<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.=
co.uk</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">
i2nsf@ietf.org</a><br>
Subject: RE: [I2nsf] Thoughts on draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-m<wbr>onitori=
ng<br>
<br>
Adrian:<br>
<br>
Why: Monitoring is a key component to I2NSF for monitoring NSF devices.<br>
Monitoring is not the same as NSF devices sending notifications - which is =
a<br>
push from the NSF devices.=C2=A0 Monitoring may encompasses specific reques=
ts to<br>
the device. =C2=A0=C2=A0Monitoring is different than the DOTS - &quot;help =
me&quot; cry from a<br>
device under attack.<br>
While I see the security ADs are proposing Security event, it is important<=
br>
that the I2NSF create monitoring concepts that work with all of the<br>
functions (e.g. querying capabilities, sending/receiving notification, and<=
br>
events).<br>
<br>
Data model versus Information model: =C2=A0Since we do not seem to have a c=
lear<br>
idea of what the data model should be, it is important to create the<br>
informational models.<br>
<br>
The content of the draft is a good first step.<br>
<br>
Sue Hares<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: I2nsf [<a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ma=
ilto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org</a><wbr>] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel<br>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 5:22 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.org</a><=
br>
Subject: [I2nsf] Thoughts on draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-m<wbr>onitoring<b=
r>
<br>
Working Group,<br>
<br>
Linda and I would like to hear some more from you about<br>
draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-m<wbr>onitoring.<br>
<br>
Is it something you think we should be working on?<br>
Should we have a separate YANG module for it or fold it into other modules?=
<br>
If we produce a YANG module, do we still need to publish the information<br=
>
model?<br>
<br>
And, most important, what do you think of the content of the draft?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Adrian<br>
<br>
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/l<wbr>istinfo/i2nsf</a><br>
</blockquote>
<br>
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ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/l<wbr>istinfo/i2nsf</a><br>
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</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-=
indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wra=
p:break-word">
--<br>
&quot;Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno&quot;<br>
<br>
Dr Diego R. Lopez<br>
Telefonica I+D<br>
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le.tid.es/diego.lop<wbr>ez/</a><br>
<br>
e-mail: <a href=3D"mailto:diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com" target=3D"_blank">d=
iego.r.lopez@telefonica.com</a><br>
Tel: =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"tel:%2B34%20913%20129%20041" target=3D"_blank"=
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+34682051091">+34 682 051 091</a><br>
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89285793688351187gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div>r=
egards,</div><div>John</div></div>
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Hi Rakesh,
After I discuss with my coauthors which draft is fitting well with our
draft,
I will let you know.

Thanks for your kind suggestion.

Best Regards,
Paul


On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Rakesh Kumar <rkkumar@juniper.net> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
>
>
> Based on suggestion from Diego to see if we could merge
> draft-kim-i2nsf-security-management-architecture-01 with
> draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req-01.
>
> Our draft deals with interfaces client would use to interact with the
> security controller/management system. We are discussing only the client
> interfaces and not the client structure itself.
>
>
>
> We should have a discussion to see what can be merged. I look forward to
> working with you.
>
>
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Rakesh
>
> *From: *I2nsf <i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Mr. Jaehoon Paul
> Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Sunday, October 23, 2016 at 10:43 PM
> *To: *"Diego R. Lopez" <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>
> *Cc: *"i2nsf@ietf.org" <i2nsf@ietf.org>, "Prof. Hyoungshick Kim" <
> hyoung@skku.edu>, "Pauljeong@skku.edu" <Pauljeong@skku.edu>, "
> skku_secu-brain_all@googlegroups.com" <skku_secu-brain_all@
> googlegroups.com>, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [I2nsf] questions about draft-kim-i2nsf-security-
> management-architecture-01
>
>
>
> Hi Diego,
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
>
>
> Our draft can be aligned with draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-r=
eq-01
> in that
>
> ours deals with the interface between I2NSF Client and Security Controlle=
r.
>
> However, draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req-01 does not
> clarify the structure of
>
> I2NSF Client in a detailed level, but our draft proposes such a detailed
> structure for I2NSF Client.
>
>
>
> In addition, our draft considers the policy update in I2NSF through the
> report from an NSF
>
> for a security attack (e.g., DDoS attack) or an event (e.g., the detectio=
n
> of a new malware)
>
> toward I2NSF Client. This updated policy is disseminated to the whole
> I2NSF systems
>
> for spontaneous reaction to the new security attack or event.
>
>
>
> Like this, our draft is closely related to the the I2NSF framework.
>
> Let us prepare for the text for the I2NSF framework draft, and then discu=
ss
>
> whether our text can fit the I2NSF framework.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Diego R. Lopez <
> diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
>
>
> While I find agreeable that your draft could be merged with another one
> (or other ones) in order to consolidate the documents to be produced by
> I2NSF, I am not 100% sure it should be the framework draft. Looking at th=
e
> proposals you make in your draft I see it more aligned with what the draf=
ts
> dealing with the client-facing interface are considering than with the
> general framework. In particular, draft-kumar-i2nsf-
> client-facing-interface-req-01
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interfa=
ce-req/> has
> a section(3.3) that discusses management deployment models, and I am unde=
r
> the impression this architecture you propose could be seen as a refinemen=
t
> of those models.
>
>
>
> Be goode,
>
>
>
> On 21 Oct 2016, at 02:54 , Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com=
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Linda,
>
> Are you agreeing at merging our draft (draft-kim-i2nsf-security-
> management-architecture-02)
>
> into draft-ietf-i2nsf-framework-03?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 5:32 AM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Linda,
>
> As a coauthor of this draft, I will answer your questions inline below.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hyoungshick, et al,
>
>
>
> How would you position your draft-kim-i2nsf-security-management-architect=
ure-01
> with regard to the I2NSF framework draft? I find there are  a lot of
> duplicated content to the I2nsf framework draft.
>
>
>
>  [Paul] We would like to merge our draft into the i2nsf framework draft
>
>  because our draft has one depth more detailed architecture.
>
>  This detailed architecture will be helpful to implement the i2nsf
> framework.
>
>
>
>
>
> There are some differences,  such as the following: Are you trying to
> define how =E2=80=9Csecurity policy=E2=80=9D is structured?
>
>
>
> <image002.png>
>
>
>
>  [Paul] Our architecture allows an NSF to update a low-level policy and
> apply it to the related high-level policy
>
>  via the control path of Security Controller and Policy Collector (rename=
d
> Event Collector in version 02) in Figure 1
>
>  of our version 02:
>
>  https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-security-
> management-architecture-02
>
>
>
>  For example, if an NSF of firewall detects a new DoS-attack host, it
> reports the updated blacklist having
>
>  the IP address of such a host to Application Logic in I2NSF Client via
> Security Controller and Event Collector.
>
>  Application Logic asks Policy Updater to disseminate the updated
> blacklist to the security controllers
>
>  under the administration of the same I2NSF Client.
>
>
>
> Will the =E2=80=9CHigh Level security management=E2=80=9D eventually lead=
 to Client Facing
> Policy data models?
>
>
>
>  [Paul] Yes, as explained above, the High-level security management leads
> to update and handle Client facing policy
>
>  data models.
>
>
>
> Do you plan to define interfaces between all those components depicted in
> Figure 1?  The interfaces between some of those components are not really
> in the I2NSF WG current charter, such as =E2=80=9CSecurity Policy Manager=
=E2=80=9D <-> =E2=80=9CNSF
> Capability Manager=E2=80=9D,  or the interface between =E2=80=9CApplicati=
on Logic=E2=80=9D <->
> =E2=80=9CPolicy Updater=E2=80=9D.
>
>
>
>  [Paul]  Yes, we have a plan to define such interfaces.
>
>
>
>
>
> Are those components in your current implementation? Is it like an
> =E2=80=9Cexample of one implementation=E2=80=9D?
>
>
>
>  [Paul] Though those components are not fully implemented yet in our
> implementation, my team at SKKU
>
>  will make implement those components in a later version.
>
>
>
>  Thanks for your clarification questions.
>
>
>
>  Best Regards,
>
>  Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks, Linda
>
>
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> Department of Software
> Sungkyunkwan University
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Rakesh,<div>After I discuss with my coauthors which dra=
ft is fitting well with our draft,</div><div>I will let you know.</div><div=
><br></div><div>Thanks for your kind suggestion.</div><div><br></div><div>B=
est Regards,</div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_e=
xtra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Rakes=
h Kumar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rkkumar@juniper.net" target=
=3D"_blank">rkkumar@juniper.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">







<div bgcolor=3D"white" lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_649839359107020713WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Hi Paul,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Based on suggestion from Diego to see if we could merge draft-kim-i2nsf-se=
curity-<wbr>management-architecture-01 with
</span>draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-interface-req-01.<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Our draft deals with interfaces client would use to interact with the secu=
rity controller/management system. We are discussing only the client interf=
aces and not the client structure itself.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>We should have a discussion to see what can be merged. I look forward to w=
orking with you.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Thanks &amp; Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Rakesh<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">F=
rom: </span>
</b><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">I2nsf &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org</a>&g=
t; on behalf of &quot;Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ja=
ehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, October 23, 2016 at 10:43 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;Diego R. Lopez&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:diego.r.lopez@t=
elefonica.com" target=3D"_blank">diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@=
ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">=
i2nsf@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;Prof. Hyoungshick Kim&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:hyoung@skku.edu" target=3D"_blank">hyoung@skku.edu</a>&gt;, &quot;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:Pauljeong@skku.edu" target=3D"_blank">Pauljeong@skku.edu</a>&=
quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Pauljeong@skku.edu" target=3D"_blank">Pauljeong=
@skku.edu</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:skku_secu-brain_all@googlegroups=
.com" target=3D"_blank">skku_secu-brain_all@<wbr>googlegroups.com</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:skku_secu-brain_all@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">skku_secu-brain_all@<wbr>googlegroups.com</a>&gt;, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huaw=
ei.com</a>&gt;<span class=3D""><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [I2nsf] questions about draft-kim-i2nsf-security-<wbr>m=
anagement-architecture-01<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Diego, <u></u><u></u></p><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks for your comments.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Our draft can be aligned with=C2=A0draft-kumar-i2nsf=
-client-<wbr>facing-interface-req-01 in that<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ours deals with the interface between I2NSF Client a=
nd Security Controller.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">However, draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-interf=
ace-req-01 does not clarify the structure of=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I2NSF Client in a detailed level, but our draft prop=
oses such a detailed structure for I2NSF Client.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In addition, our draft considers the policy update i=
n I2NSF through the report from an NSF=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">for a security attack (e.g., DDoS attack) or an even=
t (e.g., the detection of a new malware)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">toward I2NSF Client. This updated policy is dissemin=
ated to the whole I2NSF systems<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">for spontaneous reaction to the new security attack =
or event.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Like this, our draft is closely related to the the I=
2NSF framework.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Let us prepare for the text for the I2NSF framework =
draft, and then discuss<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">whether our text can fit the I2NSF framework.<u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Paul<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div></div></div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Diego R. Lopez &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com" target=3D"_blank">diego.r.l=
opez@telefonica.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Paul, <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While I find agreeable that your draft could be merg=
ed with another one (or other ones) in order to consolidate the documents t=
o be produced by I2NSF, I am not 100% sure it should be the framework draft=
. Looking at the proposals you make
 in your draft I see it more aligned with what the drafts dealing with the =
client-facing interface are considering than with the general framework. In=
 particular,=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-i=
2nsf-client-facing-interface-req/" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack;text-decoration:none">draft-kumar-i2nsf-<wbr>client-facing-interface-r=
eq-01</span></a><span style=3D"background:#f9f9f9"><wbr>=C2=A0has
 a section(3.3) that discusses management deployment models, and I am under=
 the impression this architecture you propose could be seen as a refinement=
 of those models.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"background:#f9f9f9">Be goode,</span><=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 21 Oct 2016, at 02:54 , Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Linda, <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Are you agreeing at merging our draft (draft-kim-i2n=
sf-security-<wbr>management-architecture-02)=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">into=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt">draft-ietf=
-i2nsf-<wbr>framework-03?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt">Thanks.</span><u></u=
><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt">Best Regards,</span>=
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt">Paul</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 5:32 AM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeo=
ng &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.=
paul@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Linda, <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As a coauthor of this draft, I will answer your ques=
tions inline below.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huaw=
ei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hyoungshick, et al,
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How would you position your draft-kim-i2nsf-security=
-<wbr>management-architecture-01 with regard to the I2NSF framework draft? =
I find there are=C2=A0 a lot of duplicated content to the I2nsf
 framework draft.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0[Paul] We would like to merge our draft into t=
he i2nsf framework draft=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0because our draft has one depth more detailed =
architecture.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0This detailed architecture will be helpful to =
implement the i2nsf framework.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are some differences, =C2=A0such as the follow=
ing: Are you trying to define how =E2=80=9Csecurity policy=E2=80=9D is stru=
ctured? =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;image002.png&gt;<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0[Paul] Our architecture allows an NSF to updat=
e a low-level policy and apply it to the related high-level policy<u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0via the control path of Security Controller an=
d Policy Collector (renamed Event Collector in version 02) in Figure 1<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0of our version 02:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-k=
im-i2nsf-security-management-architecture-02" target=3D"_blank">https://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-kim-i2nsf-security-<wbr>management-architecture=
-02</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0For example, if an NSF of firewall detects a n=
ew DoS-attack host, it reports the updated blacklist having<u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0the IP address of such a host to Application L=
ogic in I2NSF Client via Security Controller and Event Collector.=C2=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0Application Logic asks Policy Updater to disse=
minate the updated blacklist to the security controllers=C2=A0<u></u><u></u=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0under the administration of the same I2NSF Cli=
ent.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Will the =E2=80=9CHigh Level security management=E2=
=80=9D eventually lead to Client Facing Policy data models?<u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0[Paul] Yes, as explained above, the High-level=
 security management leads to update and handle Client facing policy=C2=A0<=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0data models.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do you plan to define interfaces between all those c=
omponents depicted in Figure 1?=C2=A0 The interfaces between some of those =
components are not really in the I2NSF WG current charter,
 such as =E2=80=9CSecurity Policy Manager=E2=80=9D &lt;-&gt; =E2=80=9CNSF C=
apability Manager=E2=80=9D,=C2=A0 or the interface between =E2=80=9CApplica=
tion Logic=E2=80=9D &lt;-&gt; =E2=80=9CPolicy Updater=E2=80=9D.<u></u><u></=
u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0[Paul] =C2=A0Yes, we have a plan to define suc=
h interfaces.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Are those components in your current implementation?=
 Is it like an =E2=80=9Cexample of one implementation=E2=80=9D?<u></u><u></=
u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0[Paul] Though those components are not fully i=
mplemented yet in our implementation, my team at SKKU=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0will make implement those components in a late=
r version.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0Thanks for your clarification questions.<u></u=
><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0Best Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0Paul<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks, Linda
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
I2nsf mailing list<br>
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<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/i2nsf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#888888"><br>
<br clear=3D"all">
</span><span class=3D"m_649839359107020713m-4337571540378825920hoenzb"><spa=
n style=3D"color:#888888"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"m_649839359107020713m-433757154037882=
5920hoenzb"><span style=3D"color:#888888">--
</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#888888">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.<br>
Assistant Professor<br>
Department of Software<br>
Sungkyunkwan University<br>
Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>
Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.=
paul@gmail.com</a>,=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:pauljeong@skku.edu" target=3D"_b=
lank"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt">paulje<wbr>ong@skku.edu</span></a><br=
>
Personal Homepage: <a href=3D"http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.p=
hp" target=3D"_blank">
http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-<wbr>jaehoon-jeong.php</a></span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.<br>
Assistant Professor<br>
Department of Software<br>
Sungkyunkwan University<br>
Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>
Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.=
paul@gmail.com</a>,=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:pauljeong@skku.edu" target=3D"_b=
lank"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt">paulje<wbr>ong@skku.edu</span></a><br=
>
Personal Homepage: <a href=3D"http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.p=
hp" target=3D"_blank">
http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-<wbr>jaehoon-jeong.php</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">______________________________<wbr>_________________=
<br>
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ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/i2nsf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">--<br>
&quot;Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno&quot;<br>
<br>
Dr Diego R. Lopez<br>
Telefonica I+D<br>
<a href=3D"http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/" target=3D"_blank">http://peop=
le.tid.es/diego.<wbr>lopez/</a><br>
<br>
e-mail: <a href=3D"mailto:diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com" target=3D"_blank">d=
iego.r.lopez@telefonica.com</a><br>
Tel: =C2=A0 =C2=A0+34 913 129 041<br>
Mobile: +34 682 051 091<br>
------------------------------<wbr>----<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.<br>
Assistant Professor<br>
Department of Software<br>
Sungkyunkwan University<br>
Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>
Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.=
paul@gmail.com</a>,=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:pauljeong@skku.edu" target=3D"_b=
lank"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt">paulje<wbr>ong@skku.edu</span></a><br=
>
Personal Homepage: <a href=3D"http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.p=
hp" target=3D"_blank">
http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-<wbr>jaehoon-jeong.php</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div></div></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class=
=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeon=
g, Ph.D.<br>Assistant Professor<br>Department of Software<br>Sungkyunkwan U=
niversity<br>Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.pa=
ul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>,=C2=A0<a href=3D=
"mailto:pauljeong@skku.edu" style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" target=
=3D"_blank">pauljeong@skku.edu</a><br>Personal Homepage: <a href=3D"http://=
cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php" target=3D"_blank">http://iotlab.s=
kku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></div=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Interface to Network Security Functions of the IETF.

        Title           : Requirements for Client-Facing Interface to Security Controller
        Authors         : Rakesh Kumar
                          Anil Lohiya
                          Dave Qi
                          Nabil Bitar
                          Senad Palislamovic
                          Liang Xia
	Filename        : draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req-02.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2016-10-28

Abstract:
   This document captures the requirements for the client-facing
   interface to the security controller.  The interfaces are based on
   user constructs understood by a security admin instead of a vendor or
   a device specific mechanism requiring deep knowledge of individual
   products and features.  This document identifies the requirements
   needed to enforce the user-construct oriented policies onto network
   security functions (NSFs) irrespective of how those functions are
   realized.  The function may be physical or virtual in nature and may
   be implemented in networking or dedicated appliances.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Interface to Network Security Functions of the IETF.

        Title           : Requirements for Client-Facing Interface to Security Controller
        Authors         : Rakesh Kumar
                          Anil Lohiya
                          Dave Qi
                          Nabil Bitar
                          Senad Palislamovic
                          Liang Xia
	Filename        : draft-ietf-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req-00.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2016-10-28

Abstract:
   This document captures the requirements for the client-facing
   interface to the security controller.  The interfaces are based on
   user constructs understood by a security admin instead of a vendor or
   a device specific mechanism requiring deep knowledge of individual
   products and features.  This document identifies the requirements
   needed to enforce the user-construct oriented policies onto network
   security functions (NSFs) irrespective of how those functions are
   realized.  The function may be physical or virtual in nature and may
   be implemented in networking or dedicated appliances.


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Dear all:

We have revised our I-D trying to answer the questions we got from the =
previous meeting. We are working on the definition of the data model for =
IKE, SAD, SPD, and PAD. We will provide a first draft in the next =
versions of the I-D.=20

Basically we have included:

- A mapping between PFKEY_v2 and XFRM, due to the importance of XFRM in =
Linux systems.
- Adding some comments about IPsec SA rekeying and NAT traversal in case =
2.

Any feedback is welcome.

Best Regards.


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> Fecha: 30 de octubre de 2016, 23:30:42 CET
> Para: "Gabriel Lopez-Millan" <gabilm@um.es>, "Rafa Marin-Lopez" =
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> Name:		draft-abad-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection
> Revision:	01
> Title:		Software-Defined Networking (SDN)-based IPsec =
Flow Protection
> Document date:	2016-10-30
> Group:		Individual Submission
> Pages:		23
> URL:            =
https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-abad-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-prote=
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>   This document describes the use case of providing IPsec-based flow
>   protection by means of a Software-Defined Network (SDN) controller
>   and raises the requirements to support this service.  It considers
>   two main scenarios: (i) gateway-to-gateway and (ii) host-to-gateway
>   (Road Warrior).  For the gateway-to-gateway scenario, this document
>   describes a mechanism to support the distribution of IPsec
>   information to flow-based Network Security Functions (NSFs) that
>   implements IPsec to protect data traffic.  between network resources
>   to protect data traffic with IPsec and IKE, in intra and inter-SDN
>   cases.  The host-to-gateway case defines a mechanism to distribute
>   IPsec information to the NSF to protect data with IPsec between an
>   end user's device (host) and a gateway.
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> The IETF Secretariat
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Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD
Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC)
Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia
30100 Murcia - Spain
Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Interface to Network Security Functions of the IETF.

        Title           : Framework for Interface to Network Security Functions
        Authors         : Diego R. Lopez
                          Edward Lopez
                          Linda Dunbar
                          John Strassner
                          Rakesh Kumar
	Filename        : draft-ietf-i2nsf-framework-04.txt
	Pages           : 23
	Date            : 2016-10-30

Abstract:
   This document describes the framework for the Interface to Network
   Security Functions (I2NSF), and defines a reference model (including
   major functional components) for I2NSF.  Network security functions
   (NSFs) are packet-processing engines that inspect and optionally
   modify packets traversing networks, either directly or in the context
   of sessions in which the packet is associated.


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Hi,

I have just uploaded this new version of the framework draft, essentially a=
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 the document with the recently updated terminology.

Be goode,


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From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>>
Subject: [I2nsf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-i2nsf-framework-04.txt
Date: 31 October 2016 at 02:03:41.000 GMT+1
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
This draft is a work item of the Interface to Network Security Functions of=
 the IETF.

       Title           : Framework for Interface to Network Security Functi=
ons
       Authors         : Diego R. Lopez
                         Edward Lopez
                         Linda Dunbar
                         John Strassner
                         Rakesh Kumar
Filename        : draft-ietf-i2nsf-framework-04.txt
Pages           : 23
Date            : 2016-10-30

Abstract:
  This document describes the framework for the Interface to Network
  Security Functions (I2NSF), and defines a reference model (including
  major functional components) for I2NSF.  Network security functions
  (NSFs) are packet-processing engines that inspect and optionally
  modify packets traversing networks, either directly or in the context
  of sessions in which the packet is associated.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-framework/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
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</div>
<div class=3D"">I have just uploaded this new version of the framework draf=
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<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Be goode,</div>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Title &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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<br class=3D"">
Abstract:<br class=3D"">
&nbsp;&nbsp;This document describes the framework for the Interface to Netw=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;Security Functions (I2NSF), and defines a reference model (incl=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;major functional components) for I2NSF. &nbsp;Network security =
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ontext<br class=3D"">
&nbsp;&nbsp;of sessions in which the packet is associated.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
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<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-framework/" cl=
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r class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
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<br class=3D"">
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ss=3D"">
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ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
_______________________________________________<br class=3D"">
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Telefonica I&#43;D<br class=3D"">
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Tel: &nbsp; &nbsp;&#43;34 913 129 041<br class=3D"">
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+1 on separate information model publication.

Kind Regards
Kepeng

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB:  I2nsf <i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Natale, Bob"
<RNATALE@mitre.org>
=C8=D5=C6=DA:  Thursday, 27 October 2016 at 6:11 AM
=D6=C1:  John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com>, "Diego R. Lopez"
<diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>
=B3=AD=CB=CD:  "i2nsf@ietf.org" <i2nsf@ietf.org>, "adrian@olddog.co.uk"
<adrian@olddog.co.uk>
=D6=F7=CC=E2:  Re: [I2nsf] Info models and draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring

I agree with John on both points: (1) I2nsf should not ignore non-YANG
domains and (2) therefore, a separate info model document makes very good
sense.
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Avanti,
BobN
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From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John Strassner
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 11:41 AM
To: Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>; John Strassner
<strazpdj@gmail.com>
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org; adrian@olddog.co.uk
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Info models and draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitorin=
g
=20

Hi all,

=20

The main reason for publishing an information model is to support multiple
data models that are derived from it.

=20

I realize that the IETF is worried mainly about YANG data models. That is
perfectly well and good. However, security controllers will need to
interface with compute, storage, and other systems that have poor (if any)
YANG coverage. As soon as I go into a data center or a cloud, YANG is simpl=
y
not used for compute and storage solutions.

=20

This means that we can either ignore that, and build a silo, or take it int=
o
account, or not.

=20

   If we choose to ignore, there is no reason to publish the info model.

   If we choose not to ignore, and want to support other data models, then
we SHOULD publish the info model as well. Even if we only have 1 data model
now.

=20

Hence, I personally would prefer two publications - one for the info model,
and one for the YANG data model.

=20

=20

best,

John

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On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Diego R. Lopez
<diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Adrian,=20
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Agree: it is a useful tool but should not be a separate publication. The =
only
> reason for publishing the information model could be to do so in the same
> document as the data model, as rationale supporting it, and even giving t=
he
> opportunity for alternate data models using other data representations (T=
OSCA,
> for example, very much in fashion in cloudspace).
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> =20
>=20
> Be goode,
>=20
> =20
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>> On 14 Oct 2016, at 11:54 , Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
>> =20
>>=20
>> Thanks, all, for the useful comments about this document.
>>=20
>> It seems clear that there is support for developing this work and produc=
ing a
>> data model for monitoring.
>>=20
>> Two points:
>>=20
>> 1. As noted by Sue, there is a BoF/WG planned for IETF-98 on "Security
>> Events".
>> I suggest you go to that. I will also make sure the AD is aware of the
>> potential
>> overlap/interaction.
>>=20
>> 2. It seems reasonable to me that producing an information model (such a=
s in
>> draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring) is a useful step toward produci=
ng a
>> data model. I have no objection to using a structured approach. However,=
 my
>> question about "publication" could be phrased as follows:
>> - Suppose we decide we want a data model for monitoring
>> - Suppose we use draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring to guide
>>   our work on that data model
>> - Suppose that we push ahead with the data model quite soon so
>>   that it starts to catch up with the info model
>> If all of those things apply, why would we need to publish an RFC that
>> captures
>> the information model given that we will be publishing a data model shor=
tly
>> afterwards?
>> Presumably, once the data model is published, no one will ever read the
>> information model.
>> So the information model would be a valuable document working document i=
n
>> which
>> the WG would capture its thoughts and consensus, but would be discarded =
once
>> the
>> work to make the data model was complete.
>>=20
>> Or am I wrong?
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Adrian
>>=20
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
>>> Sent: 13 October 2016 14:49
>>> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; i2nsf@ietf.org
>>> Subject: RE: [I2nsf] Thoughts on draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitorin=
g
>>>=20
>>> Adrian:
>>>=20
>>> Why: Monitoring is a key component to I2NSF for monitoring NSF devices.
>>> Monitoring is not the same as NSF devices sending notifications - which=
 is a
>>> push from the NSF devices.  Monitoring may encompasses specific request=
s to
>>> the device.   Monitoring is different than the DOTS - "help me" cry fro=
m a
>>> device under attack.
>>> While I see the security ADs are proposing Security event, it is import=
ant
>>> that the I2NSF create monitoring concepts that work with all of the
>>> functions (e.g. querying capabilities, sending/receiving notification, =
and
>>> events).
>>>=20
>>> Data model versus Information model:  Since we do not seem to have a cl=
ear
>>> idea of what the data model should be, it is important to create the
>>> informational models.
>>>=20
>>> The content of the draft is a good first step.
>>>=20
>>> Sue Hares
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 5:22 PM
>>> To: i2nsf@ietf.org
>>> Subject: [I2nsf] Thoughts on draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring
>>>=20
>>> Working Group,
>>>=20
>>> Linda and I would like to hear some more from you about
>>> draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring.
>>>=20
>>> Is it something you think we should be working on?
>>> Should we have a separate YANG module for it or fold it into other modu=
les?
>>> If we produce a YANG module, do we still need to publish the informatio=
n
>>> model?
>>>=20
>>> And, most important, what do you think of the content of the draft?
>>>=20
>>> Thanks,
>>> Adrian
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>>> I2nsf mailing list
>>> I2nsf@ietf.org
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le"><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#993300">I agree with John on both poin=
ts: (1) I2nsf should not ignore non-YANG domains and (2) therefore, a separa=
te info model document makes very good sense.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
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1.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> I2nsf [<a href=3D"mailto:i2=
nsf-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Strassner<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 26, 2=
016 11:41 AM<br><b>To:</b> Diego R. Lopez &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:diego.r.lopez@=
telefonica.com">diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com</a>&gt;; John Strassner &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a=
 href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org">i2nsf@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:adrian@old=
dog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] Info model=
s and draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">The main reason for publishing an information model is to=
 support multiple data models that are derived from it.<o:p></o:p></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">I realize that the IETF is worried mainly about YANG data models. That is=
 perfectly well and good. However, security controllers will need to interfa=
ce with compute, storage, and other systems that have poor (if any) YANG cov=
erage.&nbsp;As soon
 as I go into a data center or a cloud, YANG is simply not used for compute=
 and storage solutions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">This means that we can either=
 ignore that, and build a silo, or take it into account, or not.<o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; If we choose to ignore, there is no reason to publi=
sh the info model.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; If we choose not to ignore, and want to&nbsp;support other data models, th=
en we SHOULD publish the info model as well. Even if we only have 1 data mod=
el now.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hence, I personally would prefer two publicat=
ions - one for the info model, and one for the YANG data model.<o:p></o:p></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">best,<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sat, Oct 22=
, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Diego R. Lopez &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:diego.r.lopez@telefoni=
ca.com" target=3D"_blank">diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:=
p></p><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding=
:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">Hi Adrian, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Agree: it is a useful tool but should not =
be a separate publication. The only reason for publishing the information mo=
del could be to do so in the same document as the data model, as rationale s=
upporting it, and even giving the opportunity
 for alternate data models using other data representations (TOSCA, for exa=
mple, very much in fashion in cloudspace).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Be goode,<=
o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><di=
v><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">On 14 Oct 2016, at 11:54 , Adrian Farrel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a=
drian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">Thanks, all, for the useful comments about this document.<br><br>
It seems clear that there is support for developing this work and producing=
 a<br>
data model for monitoring.<br><br>
Two points:<br><br>
1. As noted by Sue, there is a BoF/WG planned for IETF-98 on "Security Even=
ts".<br>
I suggest you go to that. I will also make sure the AD is aware of the pote=
ntial<br>
overlap/interaction.<br><br>
2. It seems reasonable to me that producing an information model (such as i=
n<br>
draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring) is a useful step toward producing =
a<br>
data model. I have no objection to using a structured approach. However, my=
<br>
question about "publication" could be phrased as follows:<br>
- Suppose we decide we want a data model for monitoring<br>
- Suppose we use draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring to guide<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;our work on that data model<br>
- Suppose that we push ahead with the data model quite soon so<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;that it starts to catch up with the info model<br>
If all of those things apply, why would we need to publish an RFC that capt=
ures<br>
the information model given that we will be publishing a data model shortly=
<br>
afterwards?<br>
Presumably, once the data model is published, no one will ever read the<br>=

information model.<br>
So the information model would be a valuable document working document in w=
hich<br>
the WG would capture its thoughts and consensus, but would be discarded onc=
e the<br>
work to make the data model was complete.<br><br>
Or am I wrong?<br><br>
Thanks,<br>
Adrian<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin=
-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Susan Hares [<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank">mailto:=
shares@ndzh.com</a>]<br>
Sent: 13 October 2016 14:49<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.u=
k</a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.org</a><br>
Subject: RE: [I2nsf] Thoughts on draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring<br=
><br>
Adrian:<br><br>
Why: Monitoring is a key component to I2NSF for monitoring NSF devices.<br>=

Monitoring is not the same as NSF devices sending notifications - which is =
a<br>
push from the NSF devices.&nbsp; Monitoring may encompasses specific reques=
ts to<br>
the device. &nbsp;&nbsp;Monitoring is different than the DOTS - "help me" c=
ry from a<br>
device under attack.<br>
While I see the security ADs are proposing Security event, it is important<=
br>
that the I2NSF create monitoring concepts that work with all of the<br>
functions (e.g. querying capabilities, sending/receiving notification, and<=
br>
events).<br><br>
Data model versus Information model: &nbsp;Since we do not seem to have a c=
lear<br>
idea of what the data model should be, it is important to create the<br>
informational models.<br><br>
The content of the draft is a good first step.<br><br>
Sue Hares<br><br><br><br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: I2nsf [<a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mailto=
:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel<br>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 5:22 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.org</a><br>
Subject: [I2nsf] Thoughts on draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring<br><br=
>
Working Group,<br><br>
Linda and I would like to hear some more from you about<br>
draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring.<br><br>
Is it something you think we should be working on?<br>
Should we have a separate YANG module for it or fold it into other modules?=
<br>
If we produce a YANG module, do we still need to publish the information<br=
>
model?<br><br>
And, most important, what do you think of the content of the draft?<br><br>=

Thanks,<br>
Adrian<br><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
I2nsf mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:I2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">I2nsf=
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t=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf</a><o:p></o:p></p></b=
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Hi all,
The update of draft-xia-i2nsf-capability-interface-IM-06 has been submit ju=
st now. According to previous discussion, we rename the draft to draft-xiba=
ssnez-i2nsf-capability-00.

This draft is a combination of draft-xia-i2nsf-capability-interface-IM-06 a=
nd draft-baspez-i2nsf-capabilities-00 with a consistent way.
Please review it and give your comments, thanks!

B.R.
Frank

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        Title           : Information Model of NSFs Capabilities
        Authors         : Liang Xia
                          John Strassner
                          DaCheng Zhang
                          Kepeng Li
                          Cataldo Basile
                          Antonio Lioy
                          Diego R. Lopez
                          Edward Lopez
                          Nicolas BOUTHORS
                          Luyuan Fang
	Filename        : draft-xibassnez-i2nsf-capability-00.txt
	Pages           : 62
	Date            : 2016-10-31

Abstract:
   This draft aims at defining the concept of capability. Capabilities
   are data that unambiguously characterize NSFs (Network Security
   Functions). Their correct definition will ease all the management
   and automation that can be. Moreover, it allows the definition of
   Interfaces to manage NSFs.

   This draft is the first trial to merge two previous existing drafts
   on NSFs capabilities [I-D.draft-baspez-i2nsf-capabilities-00] and on
   the capability interface [I-D.draft-xia-i2nsf-capability-interface-
   im-06]. Further work will be needed to homogenize all the concepts
   and incorporate the feedback that will result after its publication.


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Hi Linda and Adrian,
I would like to request time slots for the following drafts in I2NSF WG
session, IETF-97.
The drafts are sorted in priority order.

- draft-hares-i2nsf-capability-data-model-00:
  . https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hares-i2nsf-capability-data-model-00
  . Capability YANG Data Model
  . Focus on Data Model for Capabilities through merging of two drafts:
    * draft-hares-i2nsf-capability-yang-01
    * draft-jeong-i2nsf-capability-interface-yang-03
  . Requested Time Slot: 10 minutes

- draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-00
  . https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-
interface-data-model-00
  . NSF-Facing Interface YANG Data Model
  . Focus on Data Model for NSF-Facing Interface through merging of two
drafts:
    * draft-hares-i2nsf-capability-yang-01
    * draft-jeong-i2nsf-capability-interface-yang-03
  . Requested Time Slot: 10 minutes

- draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-services-05:
  . https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-security-services-05
  . This draft will be merged into draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-
use-cases-02.
  . We will present the text for the merging as another use case for
    I2NSF Framework having SDN networks.
  . Requested Time Slot: 5 minutes

- draft-kim-i2nsf-security-management-architecture-03:
  . https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-security-
management-architecture-03
  . This draft may be merged into draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-
facing-interface-req-01.
  . We will present the text for the merging as the requirements for
    security management with NSF feedback control loop.
  . Requested Time Slot: 5 minutes

- draft-kim-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-00
  . https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-consumer-
facing-interface-dm-00
  . Consumer-Facing Inteface Data Model
  . A data model for VoIP-VoLTE security service for I2NSF User
  . This draft will be a companion draft of Client-Facing Interface IM:
    * draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-im-01
  . Requested Time Slot: 5 minutes

- draft-hyun-i2nsf-nsf-triggered-steering-00
  . https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hyun-i2nsf-nsf-triggered-steering-00
  . NSF-Triggered Traffic Steering Framework for NSF Execution
    according to Capability Information Model
  . According to the inspection result for a packet in an NSF,
    the packet is steered to another NSF.
  . Requested Time Slot: 5 minutes

- draft-hyun-i2nsf-registration-interface-00
  . https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hyun-i2nsf-registration-
interface-im-00
  . Registration Interface Information Model between
    Security Controller and Developer's Management System
  . Registration Interface needs to be developed in order to execute
    actual security services in I2NSF Framework.
  . Requested Time Slot: 5 minutes

Thanks for your coordination.

Best Regards,
Paul


On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

>
> I2NSF Participants:
>
> A few reminders as we approach the meeting in Seoul.
>
> ** The final agenda currently has us meeting on Monday, November 14th
> 15:50-17:50.  So we won't have the luxury of fine-tuned face to face
> discussion among key authors before the formal meeting. We may need to have
> some conference calls prior to the meeting if we need to flush out
> different opinions on some drafts.
>
> ** If you'd like time on the agenda, please send a note to the chairs.
>
> ** The I-D draft cut off is Monday, October 31st.
>
> Regards,
> Linda & Adrian
>
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Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Software
Sungkyunkwan University
Office: +82-31-299-4957
Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
<http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Linda and Adrian,<div>I would like to request time slot=
s for the following drafts in I2NSF WG session, IETF-97.</div><div>The draf=
ts are sorted in priority order.</div><div><br></div><div><div>- draft-hare=
s-i2nsf-capability-<wbr>data-model-00:</div><div>=C2=A0 . <a href=3D"https:=
//tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hares-i2nsf-capability-data-model-00" target=3D=
"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-hares-i2nsf-capability-<wbr=
>data-model-00</a></div><div>=C2=A0 . Capability YANG Data Model</div><div>=
=C2=A0 . Focus on Data Model for Capabilities through merging of two drafts=
:</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * draft-hares-i2nsf-capability-<wbr>yang-01</div>=
<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * draft-jeong-i2nsf-capability-<wbr>interface-yang-03 =
=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 . Requested Time Slot: 10 minutes</div><div>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0</div><div>- draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-<wbr>interface-data-model-00 =
=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 . <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-=
i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-00" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.i=
etf.org/html/<wbr>draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-<wbr>interface-data-model-00</=
a></div><div>=C2=A0 . NSF-Facing Interface YANG Data Model</div><div>=C2=A0=
 . Focus on Data Model for NSF-Facing Interface through merging of two draf=
ts:</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * draft-hares-i2nsf-capability-<wbr>yang-01</di=
v><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * draft-jeong-i2nsf-capability-<wbr>interface-yang-03 =
=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 . Requested Time Slot: 10 minutes</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>- draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-<wbr>security-services-05:=C2=A0</div><div>=
=C2=A0 . <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-sdn-secur=
ity-services-05" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-j=
eong-i2nsf-sdn-<wbr>security-services-05</a></div><div>=C2=A0 . This draft =
will be merged into draft-ietf-i2nsf-problem-and-<wbr>use-cases-02.</div><d=
iv>=C2=A0 . We will present the text for the merging as another use case fo=
r=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I2NSF Framework having SDN networks.</div><=
div>=C2=A0 . Requested Time Slot: 5 minutes</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>- dr=
aft-kim-i2nsf-security-<wbr>management-architecture-03:</div><div>=C2=A0 . =
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-security-management-=
architecture-03" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-k=
im-i2nsf-security-<wbr>management-architecture-03</a></div><div>=C2=A0 . Th=
is draft may be merged into draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-interface-=
req-01.</div><div>=C2=A0 . We will present the text for the merging as the =
requirements for=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 security management with NSF=
 feedback control loop.</div><div>=C2=A0 . Requested Time Slot: 5 minutes</=
div><div><br></div><div>- draft-kim-i2nsf-consumer-<wbr>facing-interface-dm=
-00</div><div>=C2=A0 . <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2n=
sf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-00" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.or=
g/html/<wbr>draft-kim-i2nsf-consumer-<wbr>facing-interface-dm-00</a></div><=
div>=C2=A0 . Consumer-Facing Inteface Data Model</div><div>=C2=A0 . A data =
model for VoIP-VoLTE security service for I2NSF User</div><div>=C2=A0 . Thi=
s draft will be a companion draft of Client-Facing Interface IM:</div><div>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-interface-im-01</div><=
div>=C2=A0 . Requested Time Slot: 5 minutes</div><div><br></div><div>- draf=
t-hyun-i2nsf-nsf-<wbr>triggered-steering-00</div><div>=C2=A0 . <a href=3D"h=
ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hyun-i2nsf-nsf-triggered-steering-00" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-hyun-i2nsf-nsf-<wbr>tr=
iggered-steering-00</a></div><div>=C2=A0 . NSF-Triggered Traffic Steering F=
ramework for NSF Execution</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 according to Capability =
Information Model</div><div>=C2=A0 . According to the inspection result for=
 a packet in an NSF,</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the packet is steered to anoth=
er NSF.</div><div>=C2=A0 . Requested Time Slot: 5 minutes</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>- draft-hyun-i2nsf-registration-<wbr>interface-00</div><div>=C2=A0 =
. <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hyun-i2nsf-registration-inte=
rface-im-00" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-hyun-=
i2nsf-registration-<wbr>interface-im-00</a></div><div>=C2=A0 . Registration=
 Interface Information Model between</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Security Contr=
oller and Developer&#39;s Management System</div><div>=C2=A0 . Registration=
 Interface needs to be developed in order to execute=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 actual security services in I2NSF Framework.</div><div>=C2=A0 . Req=
uested Time Slot: 5 minutes</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><div>Thanks f=
or your coordination.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div>Paul=
</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Linda Dunbar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huaw=
ei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><br>
I2NSF Participants:<br>
<br>
A few reminders as we approach the meeting in Seoul.<br>
<br>
** The final agenda currently has us meeting on Monday, November 14th 15:50=
-17:50.=C2=A0 So we won&#39;t have the luxury of fine-tuned face to face di=
scussion among key authors before the formal meeting. We may need to have s=
ome conference calls prior to the meeting if we need to flush out different=
 opinions on some drafts.<br>
<br>
** If you&#39;d like time on the agenda, please send a note to the chairs.<=
br>
<br>
** The I-D draft cut off is Monday, October 31st.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Linda &amp; Adrian<br>
<br>
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=3D"m_-5486325734032533209gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.<=
br>Assistant Professor<br>Department of Software<br>Sungkyunkwan University=
<br>Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>,=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:p=
auljeong@skku.edu" style=3D"font-size:12.8px" target=3D"_blank">paulje<wbr>=
ong@skku.edu</a><br>Personal Homepage: <a href=3D"http://cpslab.skku.edu/pe=
ople-jaehoon-jeong.php" target=3D"_blank">http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-<wb=
r>jaehoon-jeong.php</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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