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Linda and I2NSF WG:

 

I believe this drafts is ready for adoption.   I have followed this draft
since -00.txt.  This draft has sound implementation experience behind it.  

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares 

 

From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 6:22 PM
To: i2nsf@ietf.org
Subject: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-
04

 

 

The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG Data
Model

 
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model
-04>
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-
04

 

Have requested working group adoption of this draft.  

 

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn't mean that the draft current
content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
working group to work on.

 

While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you".

 

Thank you. 

 

Linda & Yoav

 


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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Cheerily, Susan Hares =
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I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Linda =
Dunbar<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 26, 2018 6:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
i2nsf@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-mod=
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of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG Data =
Model<span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
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requested working group adoption of this draft.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Please bear =
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Hi, all=20

I support the adoption of this draft.

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> 2018. 2. 6. 21:56, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1:
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> Linda and I2NSF WG:
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> I believe this drafts is ready for adoption.   I have followed this =
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behind it. =20
> =20
> Cheerily, Susan Hares=20
> =20
> From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org =
<mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 6:22 PM
> To: i2nsf@ietf.org <mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org>
> Subject: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-mode=
l-04 =
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el-04>
> =20
> =20
> The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG =
Data Model
> =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-mode=
l-04 =
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> Have requested working group adoption of this draft. =20
> =20
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basis for a working group to work on.
> =20
> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations =
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> Linda & Yoav
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for a working group to work on.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
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Yes, I support this draft, and thank the authors for their effort!
Cheers!Ed Lopez

On 1/26/2018 at 6:21 PM, "Linda Dunbar"  wrote:      
	The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG
Data Model 

	https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-04

	Have requested working group adoption of this draft.   
	Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn’t mean that the draft
current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good
basis for a working group to work on. 
	While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations
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<span style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">Yes, I support this dr=
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v><div>Ed Lopez<br><br>On 1/26/2018 at 6:21 PM, "Linda Dunbar" &lt;linda.du=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=
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Yes, I support this draft, and thank the authors for their effort!
Cheers!
Ed Lopez

On 1/26/2018 at 6:23 PM, "Linda Dunbar"  wrote:      
	The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model 

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	Have requested working group adoption of this draft.   
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<span style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">Yes, I support this dr=
aft, and thank the authors for their effort!<div><br></div><div>Cheers!<br>=
Ed Lopez<br><br>On 1/26/2018 at 6:23 PM, "Linda Dunbar" &lt;linda.dunbar@hu=
awei.com&gt; wrote:<blockquote style=3D"border-left:solid 1px #ccc;margin-l=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG =
Data Model<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;"><a target=3D"_blank" =
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face-dm-04" onclick=3D"window.open('https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=
&nbsp; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t=
 mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that =
it is a good basis for a working group to work on.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w=
ith explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank =
you".</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you. </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda &amp; Yoav</p>
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IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the draft
is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be
perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the document.
Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point.

I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point.
Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host
of problems, such as:

   - sec 4: it is unclear what is meant by "Objectives", see below
      - sec 4.1 does NOT define what an I2NSF SecurityPolicyRule is, or
what its objective is
      - secs 4.2 and 4.3 do provide definitions of events and conditions
(though their grammar needs improvement)
      - sec 4.4 provides a superficial definition of an action that needs
tightening up

The above are troublesome, as all definitions are clearly defined in the
terminology draft. For a long time now... :-( And I really don't understand
why this section is labeled "Objectives". Objectives of what? An event? of
the data model? something else?

   - sec 5.1:  I don't understand the design of the YANG module at all
     - the ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface module appears to describe a
policy rule, but is given the name of an interface. In addition, why
does generic-nsf
contain a policy (i2nsf-security-policy)? Put another way, the name of the
module is the name of an interface, but doesn't describe an interface, and
more importantly,
        NSFs do NOT contain policy rules - they are sent policy rules by
the policy engine
     - Worse, why are the event, condition, and action containers NOT
inside the policy rule?
   - Same problem for figures 5.2-5.4, plus other problems (e.g., why is
the resolution strategy NOT a part of the policy???)
   - the design of the condition clause is not scalable. In an OO design,
one does NOT simply list a hundred attributes in a class. We decided that
the YANG module would be designed in an OO style.
   - same problem for the action clause

Given the above, the rest of the YANG will be wrong.

Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT
accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.

regards,
John

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

>
>
> The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG Dat=
a
> Model
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-
> interface-data-model-04
>
>
>
> Have requested working group adoption of this draft.
>
>
>
> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft =
current
> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
> working group to work on.
>
>
>
> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
> much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you".
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Linda & Yoav
>
>
>
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ariant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-s=
pace:normal;direction:ltr;background-color:transparent">IMHO, the purpose o=
f a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting=
 point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I a=
m NOT objecting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objecting=
 on the technical correctness of the starting point.</div><div style=3D"mar=
gin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent=
:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;=
font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text=
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nd-color:transparent"><br style=3D"margin:0px;padding-bottom:0px;font-size:=
12.8px;direction:ltr">I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a=
 good starting point. Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., gramm=
ar), there are a host of problems, such as:</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;t=
ext-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;lett=
er-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size=
:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decorati=
on:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;direction:ltr;background-color:=
transparent"><br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(3=
4,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-=
bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;=
font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;w=
hite-space:normal;background-color:transparent">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: it is=
 unclear what is meant by &quot;Objectives&quot;, see below</div><div style=
=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text=
-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans=
-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:4=
00;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-colo=
r:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - sec 4.1 does NOT define what an I2NSF=
 SecurityPolicyRule is, or what its objective is</div><div style=3D"margin:=
0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px=
;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font=
-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-dec=
oration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transpare=
nt">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - secs 4.2 and 4.3 do provide definitions of event=
s and conditions (though their grammar needs improvement)</div><div style=
=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text=
-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans=
-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:4=
00;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-colo=
r:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - sec 4.4 provides a superficial defini=
tion of an action that needs tightening up</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;te=
xt-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;lette=
r-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:=
12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoratio=
n:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent"><b=
r></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-t=
ransform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font=
-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:no=
rmal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:norm=
al;background-color:transparent">The above are troublesome, as all definiti=
ons are clearly defined in the terminology draft. For a long time now... :-=
( And I really don&#39;t understand why this section is labeled &quot;Objec=
tives&quot;. Objectives of what? An event? of the data model? something els=
e?</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-t=
ransform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font=
-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:no=
rmal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:norm=
al;background-color:transparent"><br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-al=
ign:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spa=
cing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8p=
x;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:non=
e;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 - sec 5.1:=C2=A0 I don&#39;t understand the design of the YANG modul=
e at all</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);=
text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0p=
x;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-vari=
ant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-spac=
e:normal;background-color:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 - the=C2=A0<span=
 style=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:=
0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style=
:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spaci=
ng:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre;float:none;background-color:transpare=
nt">ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface <span style=3D"text-align:left;color:rg=
b(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-=
family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:nor=
mal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;wh=
ite-space:normal;float:none;background-color:transparent">module appears to=
 describe a policy rule, but is given the name of an interface. In addition=
, why does <span style=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:n=
one;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13=
.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration=
:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre;float:none;background=
-color:transparent">generic-nsf
    </span>contain a policy (<span style=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0=
);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Con=
solas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:4=
00;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre;flo=
at:none;background-color:transparent">i2nsf-security-policy</span>)? Put an=
other way, the name of the module is the name of an interface, but doesn&#3=
9;t describe an interface, and more importantly,<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 NSFs do NOT contain policy rules - they are sent policy rules by the=
 policy engine<br></span></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:l=
eft;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:=
normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;fon=
t-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;wor=
d-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent"><span style=
=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;le=
tter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:norma=
l;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px=
;display:inline;white-space:pre;float:none;background-color:transparent"><s=
pan style=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-i=
ndent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8=
px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:no=
ne;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:normal;float:none;background=
-color:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 - Worse, why are the event, conditi=
on, and action containers NOT inside the policy rule?</span><br></span></di=
v><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transfo=
rm:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-famil=
y:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;t=
ext-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:tr=
ansparent"><i></i><u></u><sub></sub><sup></sup><strike></strike>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 - Same problem for figures 5.2-5.4, plus other problems (e.g., why is t=
he resolution strategy NOT a part of the policy???)<br></div><div style=3D"=
margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-ind=
ent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-ser=
if;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;t=
ext-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:tr=
ansparent"><b></b>=C2=A0=C2=A0 - the design of the condition clause is not =
scalable. In an OO design, one does NOT simply list a hundred attributes in=
 a class. We decided that the YANG module would be designed in an OO style.=
</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-tra=
nsform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-f=
amily:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:norm=
al;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal=
;background-color:transparent">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - same problem for the action c=
lause<br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34)=
;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0=
px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-var=
iant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-spa=
ce:normal;direction:ltr;background-color:transparent"><br></div><div style=
=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text=
-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans=
-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:4=
00;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-colo=
r:transparent">Given the above, the rest of the YANG will be wrong.<br></di=
v><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transfo=
rm:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-famil=
y:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;dir=
ection:ltr;background-color:transparent"><br style=3D"margin:0px;padding-bo=
ttom:0px;font-size:12.8px;direction:ltr"></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;tex=
t-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter=
-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:1=
2.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration=
:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;direction:ltr;background-color:tr=
ansparent">Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will N=
OT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.</div><div style=3D"margin:0px=
;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;le=
tter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decora=
tion:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;direction:ltr;background-colo=
r:transparent"><br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb=
(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;paddin=
g-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:norma=
l;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px=
;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent">regards,</div><div style=
=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text=
-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans=
-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:4=
00;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-colo=
r:transparent">John</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Linda Dunbar <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.d=
unbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" vlink=3D"#954F72" link=3D"#0563C1">
<div class=3D"m_-539030844644799714WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Faci=
ng Interface YANG Data Model<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim=
-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-04" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D=
"color:blue">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-<w=
br>interface-data-model-04</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=
=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t=
 mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that =
it is a good basis for a working group to work on.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w=
ith explanations are much more helpful than just &quot;yes please&quot; or =
&quot;no thank you&quot;.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda &amp; Yoav<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>

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Hi John,
Thanks for your good suggestions on our draft. :-)
We authors will clarify your suggestions on the next revision except the OO
design for the YANG data model.
The OO design takes time, so we will try to address it later.

You can suggest the good OO design based on our next revision.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:31 AM, John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com> wrote:

> IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the
> draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. =
To
> be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the documen=
t.
> Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point=
.
>
> I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point=
.
> Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a hos=
t
> of problems, such as:
>
>    - sec 4: it is unclear what is meant by "Objectives", see below
>       - sec 4.1 does NOT define what an I2NSF SecurityPolicyRule is, or
> what its objective is
>       - secs 4.2 and 4.3 do provide definitions of events and conditions
> (though their grammar needs improvement)
>       - sec 4.4 provides a superficial definition of an action that needs
> tightening up
>
> The above are troublesome, as all definitions are clearly defined in the
> terminology draft. For a long time now... :-( And I really don't understa=
nd
> why this section is labeled "Objectives". Objectives of what? An event? o=
f
> the data model? something else?
>
>    - sec 5.1:  I don't understand the design of the YANG module at all
>      - the ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface module appears to describe a
> policy rule, but is given the name of an interface. In addition, why does=
 generic-nsf
> contain a policy (i2nsf-security-policy)? Put another way, the name of
> the module is the name of an interface, but doesn't describe an interface=
,
> and more importantly,
>         NSFs do NOT contain policy rules - they are sent policy rules by
> the policy engine
>      - Worse, why are the event, condition, and action containers NOT
> inside the policy rule?
>    - Same problem for figures 5.2-5.4, plus other problems (e.g., why is
> the resolution strategy NOT a part of the policy???)
>    - the design of the condition clause is not scalable. In an OO design,
> one does NOT simply list a hundred attributes in a class. We decided that
> the YANG module would be designed in an OO style.
>    - same problem for the action clause
>
> Given the above, the rest of the YANG will be wrong.
>
> Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT
> accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.
>
> regards,
> John
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG
>> Data Model
>>
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-inter
>> face-data-model-04
>>
>>
>>
>> Have requested working group adoption of this draft.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft=
 current
>> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
>> working group to work on.
>>
>>
>>
>> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
>> much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you".
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Linda & Yoav
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> I2nsf mailing list
>> I2nsf@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> regards,
> John
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi John,<div>Thanks for your good suggestions on our draft=
. :-)</div><div>We authors will clarify your suggestions on the next revisi=
on except the OO design for the YANG data model.</div><div>The OO design ta=
kes time, so we will try to address it later.</div><div><br></div><div>You =
can suggest the good OO design based on our next revision.</div><div><br></=
div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div>Paul</div=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Fe=
b 7, 2018 at 8:31 AM, John Strassner <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"marg=
in:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:=
0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-=
decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;direction:ltr;backgroun=
d-color:transparent">IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to ackno=
wledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants t=
o accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness=
 of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of th=
e starting point.</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(3=
4,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-=
bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;=
font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;w=
hite-space:normal;direction:ltr;background-color:transparent"><br style=3D"=
margin:0px;padding-bottom:0px;font-size:12.8px;direction:ltr">I do NOT feel=
 that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. Ignoring thin=
gs that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host of problems, =
such as:</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);=
text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0p=
x;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-vari=
ant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-spac=
e:normal;direction:ltr;background-color:transparent"><br></div><div style=
=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text=
-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans=
-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:4=
00;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-colo=
r:transparent">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: it is unclear what is meant by &quot;O=
bjectives&quot;, see below</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;co=
lor:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal=
;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-styl=
e:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spac=
ing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 - sec 4.1 does NOT define what an I2NSF SecurityPolicyRule is, or what =
its objective is</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34=
,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-b=
ottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;f=
ont-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;wh=
ite-space:normal;background-color:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - secs =
4.2 and 4.3 do provide definitions of events and conditions (though their g=
rammar needs improvement)</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;col=
or:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;=
padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style=
:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spaci=
ng:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 - sec 4.4 provides a superficial definition of an action that needs tig=
htening up</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34=
);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:=
0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-va=
riant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-sp=
ace:normal;background-color:transparent"><br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px=
;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;le=
tter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decora=
tion:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent"=
>The above are troublesome, as all definitions are clearly defined in the t=
erminology draft. For a long time now... :-( And I really don&#39;t underst=
and why this section is labeled &quot;Objectives&quot;. Objectives of what?=
 An event? of the data model? something else?</div><div style=3D"margin:0px=
;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;le=
tter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decora=
tion:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent"=
><br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);tex=
t-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;f=
ont-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant=
:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:n=
ormal;background-color:transparent">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 5.1:=C2=A0 I don&#39=
;t understand the design of the YANG module at all</div><div style=3D"margi=
n:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0=
px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-d=
ecoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transpa=
rent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 - the=C2=A0<span style=3D"text-align:left;color:r=
gb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-fa=
mily:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-=
weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space=
:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-<w=
br>interface <span style=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transf=
orm:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:arial,sans-serif=
;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;tex=
t-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:normal;float:=
none;background-color:transparent">module appears to describe a policy rule=
, but is given the name of an interface. In addition, why does <span style=
=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;le=
tter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:norma=
l;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px=
;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparen=
t">generic-nsf
    </span>contain a policy (<span style=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0=
);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Con=
solas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:4=
00;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wra=
p;float:none;background-color:transparent">i2nsf-security-policy</span>)? P=
ut another way, the name of the module is the name of an interface, but doe=
sn&#39;t describe an interface, and more importantly,<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 NSFs do NOT contain policy rules - they are sent policy rules by=
 the policy engine<br></span></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-ali=
gn:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spac=
ing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px=
;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none=
;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent"><span st=
yle=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px=
;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:no=
rmal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:=
0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:transpa=
rent"><span style=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:non=
e;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decor=
ation:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:normal;float:none;ba=
ckground-color:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 - Worse, why are the event,=
 condition, and action containers NOT inside the policy rule?</span><br></s=
pan></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text=
-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;fo=
nt-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:=
normal;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-=
color:transparent"><i></i><u></u><sub></sub><sup></sup><strike></strike>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 - Same problem for figures 5.2-5.4, plus other problems (e.g., wh=
y is the resolution strategy NOT a part of the policy???)<br></div><div sty=
le=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;te=
xt-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight=
:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-co=
lor:transparent"><b></b>=C2=A0=C2=A0 - the design of the condition clause i=
s not scalable. In an OO design, one does NOT simply list a hundred attribu=
tes in a class. We decided that the YANG module would be designed in an OO =
style.</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);te=
xt-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;=
font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-varian=
t:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:=
normal;background-color:transparent">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - same problem for the ac=
tion clause<br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,=
34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bo=
ttom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;fo=
nt-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;whi=
te-space:normal;direction:ltr;background-color:transparent"><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none=
;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial=
,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-wei=
ght:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background=
-color:transparent">Given the above, the rest of the YANG will be wrong.<br=
></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-tr=
ansform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-=
family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:nor=
mal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:norma=
l;direction:ltr;background-color:transparent"><br style=3D"margin:0px;paddi=
ng-bottom:0px;font-size:12.8px;direction:ltr"></div><div style=3D"margin:0p=
x;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;l=
etter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decor=
ation:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;direction:ltr;background-col=
or:transparent">Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and w=
ill NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.</div><div style=3D"margi=
n:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0=
px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-d=
ecoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;direction:ltr;background=
-color:transparent"><br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;colo=
r:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;p=
adding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:=
normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacin=
g:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent">regards,</div><div s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;=
text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,=
sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weig=
ht:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-=
color:transparent">John</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, L=
inda Dunbar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com=
" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" vlink=3D"#954F72" link=3D"#0563C1">
<div class=3D"m_-4743325102583504129m_-539030844644799714WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Faci=
ng Interface YANG Data Model<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim=
-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-04" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D=
"color:blue">https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr<wbr>aft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-in=
ter<wbr>face-data-model-04</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=
=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t=
 mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that =
it is a good basis for a working group to work on.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w=
ith explanations are much more helpful than just &quot;yes please&quot; or =
&quot;no thank you&quot;.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda &amp; Yoav<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>

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IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the draft
is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be
perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the document.
Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point.

I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point.
Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host
of problems, such as:
   - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG
for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface.
     Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is
multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care
     about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization of
the YANG is incorrect.
   - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module
      - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN be
able to have multiple tenants?
      - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple
such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know
what an authentication method even is?
      - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child?
      - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a
reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant?
      - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they
here?

 I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will be
wrong.

Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT
accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.

regards,
John

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

>
>
>
>
> The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-
> facing-interface-dm-04
>
>
>
> Have requested working group adoption of this draft.
>
>
>
> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft =
current
> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
> working group to work on.
>
>
>
> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
> much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you".
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Linda & Yoav
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,3=
4);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom=
:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-v=
ariant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-s=
pace:normal;direction:ltr;background-color:transparent">IMHO, the purpose o=
f a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting=
 point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I a=
m NOT objecting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objecting=
 on the technical correctness of the starting point.</div><div style=3D"mar=
gin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent=
:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;=
font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text=
-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;direction:ltr;backgrou=
nd-color:transparent"><br style=3D"margin:0px;padding-bottom:0px;font-size:=
12.8px;direction:ltr">I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a=
 good starting point. Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., gramm=
ar), there are a host of problems, such as:<b></b></div><div style=3D"margi=
n:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0=
px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-d=
ecoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transpa=
rent"><b></b><i></i><u></u><sub></sub><sup></sup><strike></strike>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG=
 for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface.<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is mul=
ti-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care<br>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization=
 of the YANG is incorrect.<br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:lef=
t;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-=
style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-=
spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent"><i></i>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0<span style=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0)=
;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Cons=
olas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:40=
0;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre;floa=
t:none;background-color:transparent">ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface </span>module<=
/div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-tran=
sform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-fa=
mily:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:norma=
l;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;=
background-color:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is <span style=3D"=
text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter=
-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;fo=
nt-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;dis=
play:inline;white-space:pre;float:none;background-color:transparent">multi-=
tenancy </span>at the top of the tree? Shouldn&#39;t a DOMAIN be able to ha=
ve multiple tenants?</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rg=
b(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;paddi=
ng-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:norm=
al;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0p=
x;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - w=
hy does a domain have an <span style=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);te=
xt-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consola=
s;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;t=
ext-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre;float:n=
one;background-color:transparent">authentication-method</span>? First, mult=
iple such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain kno=
w what an authentication method even is?</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text=
-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-=
spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12=
.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:=
none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent">=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child?</di=
v><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transfo=
rm:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-famil=
y:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;bac=
kground-color:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a leaf with=
in policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn&#39;t domain ha=
ve a reference to policy-tenant?</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:l=
eft;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:=
normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;fon=
t-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;wor=
d-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are t=
hey here?</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34)=
;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0=
px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-var=
iant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-spa=
ce:normal;background-color:transparent"><br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;=
text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;let=
ter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decorat=
ion:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent">=
=C2=A0I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG wil=
l be wrong.<br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,=
34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bo=
ttom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;fo=
nt-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;whi=
te-space:normal;direction:ltr;background-color:transparent"><br style=3D"ma=
rgin:0px;padding-bottom:0px;font-size:12.8px;direction:ltr"></div><div styl=
e=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;tex=
t-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,san=
s-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:=
400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;direction:ltr;=
background-color:transparent">Therefore, the document is NOT a good startin=
g point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.</div><div =
style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none=
;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial=
,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-wei=
ght:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;direction:=
ltr;background-color:transparent"><br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-a=
lign:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-sp=
acing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8=
px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:no=
ne;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent">regard=
s,</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-t=
ransform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font=
-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:no=
rmal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:norm=
al;background-color:transparent">John</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunb=
ar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=
=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" vlink=3D"#954F72" link=3D"#0563C1">
<div class=3D"m_2178010473947846640WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG =
Data Model<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman=
&quot;,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"https://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=
=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-<wb=
r>facing-interface-dm-04</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=
=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t=
 mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that =
it is a good basis for a working group to work on.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w=
ith explanations are much more helpful than just &quot;yes please&quot; or =
&quot;no thank you&quot;.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda &amp; Yoav<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>

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 Hi John,
Thanks for your constructive suggestions on our draft. :-)
We authors will clarify your suggestions on the next revision.

You can give us your advice on our next revision.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul


On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com> wrote:

> IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the
> draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. =
To
> be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the documen=
t.
> Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point=
.
>
> I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point=
.
> Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a hos=
t
> of problems, such as:
>    - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YAN=
G
> for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface.
>      Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is
> multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care
>      about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization of
> the YANG is incorrect.
>    - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module
>       - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN
> be able to have multiple tenants?
>       - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple
> such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know
> what an authentication method even is?
>       - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child?
>       - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a
> reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant?
>       - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they
> here?
>
>  I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will b=
e
> wrong.
>
> Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT
> accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.
>
> regards,
> John
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model
>>
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facin
>> g-interface-dm-04
>>
>>
>>
>> Have requested working group adoption of this draft.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft=
 current
>> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
>> working group to work on.
>>
>>
>>
>> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
>> much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you".
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Linda & Yoav
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> I2nsf mailing list
>> I2nsf@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> regards,
> John
>
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Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Software
Sungkyunkwan University
Office: +82-31-299-4957
Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
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<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:1=
2.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:nor=
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text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rg=
b(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;=
float:none;display:inline">Hi John,</span><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)=
;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing=
:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:no=
rmal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-sty=
le:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Thanks for your constructive sugg=
estions on our draft. :-)</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-famil=
y:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligature=
s:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;tex=
t-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s=
pacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;=
text-decoration-color:initial">We authors will clarify your suggestions on =
the next revision.</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial=
,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:norma=
l;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align=
:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:=
0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-de=
coration-color:initial"><br></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-fa=
mily:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligat=
ures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;=
text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;wor=
d-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initi=
al;text-decoration-color:initial">You can give us your advice on our next r=
evision.</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-seri=
f;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-var=
iant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;tex=
t-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-c=
olor:initial"><br></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial=
,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:norma=
l;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align=
:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:=
0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-de=
coration-color:initial">Thanks.</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font=
-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-li=
gatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:norm=
al;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;=
word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:in=
itial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,3=
4,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-=
variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-sp=
acing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-spa=
ce:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoratio=
n-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Best Regards,</div><div styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font=
-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-trans=
form:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,=
255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Paul</div=
>

<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed,=
 Feb 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, John Strassner <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"m=
argin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-inde=
nt:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-seri=
f;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;te=
xt-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;direction:ltr;backgr=
ound-color:transparent">IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to ac=
knowledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work that WG want=
s to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completen=
ess of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of=
 the starting point.</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rg=
b(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;paddi=
ng-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:norm=
al;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0p=
x;white-space:normal;direction:ltr;background-color:transparent"><br style=
=3D"margin:0px;padding-bottom:0px;font-size:12.8px;direction:ltr">I do NOT =
feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. Ignoring =
things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host of proble=
ms, such as:<b></b></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb=
(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;paddin=
g-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:norma=
l;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px=
;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent"><b></b><i></i><u></u><sub=
></sub><sup></sup><strike></strike>=C2=A0=C2=A0 - what, exactly, is this dr=
aft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over the=
 Consumer-Facing Interface.<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name =
of the interface, whose first element is multi-tenancy, that also contains =
policies? Policies do not care<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. =
They do care about domains. The organization of the YANG is incorrect.<br><=
/div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-tran=
sform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-fa=
mily:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:norma=
l;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;=
background-color:transparent"><i></i>=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0<spa=
n style=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent=
:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-styl=
e:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spac=
ing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-color:tra=
nsparent">ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface </span>module</div><div style=3D"margin:0=
px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;=
letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-=
size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-deco=
ration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparen=
t">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is <span style=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(0=
,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family=
:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weig=
ht:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre=
-wrap;float:none;background-color:transparent">multi-tenancy </span>at the =
top of the tree? Shouldn&#39;t a DOMAIN be able to have multiple tenants?</=
div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-trans=
form:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-fam=
ily:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal=
;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;b=
ackground-color:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why does a domain have =
an <span style=3D"text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text=
-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Consolas;font-size:13.33px;fo=
nt-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;wo=
rd-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;float:none;background-co=
lor:transparent">authentication-method</span>? First, multiple such methods=
 should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know what an authent=
ication method even is?</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color=
:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;pa=
dding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing=
:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
- why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child?</div><div style=3D"ma=
rgin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-inden=
t:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif=
;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;tex=
t-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:tran=
sparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? =
This should be a reference, and why doesn&#39;t domain have a reference to =
policy-tenant?</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,3=
4,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bot=
tom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;fon=
t-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;whit=
e-space:normal;background-color:transparent">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - policy =
roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here?</div><div =
style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none=
;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial=
,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-wei=
ght:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background=
-color:transparent"><br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;colo=
r:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;p=
adding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:=
normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacin=
g:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:transparent">=C2=A0I could go on,=
 but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will be wrong.<br></div=
><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transfor=
m:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family=
:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;fo=
nt-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;dire=
ction:ltr;background-color:transparent"><br style=3D"margin:0px;padding-bot=
tom:0px;font-size:12.8px;direction:ltr"></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text=
-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-=
spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12=
.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:=
none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;direction:ltr;background-color:tra=
nsparent">Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NO=
T accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;=
text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;let=
ter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decorat=
ion:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;direction:ltr;background-color=
:transparent"><br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(=
34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding=
-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal=
;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;=
white-space:normal;background-color:transparent">regards,</div><div style=
=3D"margin:0px;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text=
-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:arial,sans=
-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:4=
00;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-colo=
r:transparent">John</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda=
 Dunbar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" vlink=3D"#954F72" link=3D"#0563C1">
<div class=3D"m_7805851198328709312m_2178010473947846640WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG =
Data Model<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman=
&quot;,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"https://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=
=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr<wbr>aft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-fac=
in<wbr>g-interface-dm-04</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=
=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t=
 mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that =
it is a good basis for a working group to work on.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w=
ith explanations are much more helpful than just &quot;yes please&quot; or =
&quot;no thank you&quot;.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda &amp; Yoav<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>

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<br></span></blockquote></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888=
"><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div class=3D"m_7805851198328709312gmail=
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<div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) J=
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n University<br>Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon=
.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>,=C2=A0<a href=
=3D"mailto:pauljeong@skku.edu" style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" targe=
t=3D"_blank">pauljeong@skku.edu</a><br>Personal Homepage: <a href=3D"http:/=
/cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php" target=3D"_blank">http://iotlab.=
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Thread-Topic: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-04
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Thread-Topic: what does the term "Policy Domain" commonly refer to?  (was RE: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04
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Subject: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" commonly refer to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04
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A "Policy Domain" is an administrative domain in which a set of Policies
are used to ensure that managed entities in that domain behave in a desired
manner. Policies can be used for configuration, monitoring, access control,
and other behavior.

Note that this is a standard term in the academic literature.


regards,
John

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

> John,
>
>
>
> Since you are the policy expert, what does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=
=9D commonly refer
> to?
>
> Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D be one policy applying to a set of te=
nants? Or one
> policy applying to a set of geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a
> set of policies?
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM
> *To:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/
> draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04
>
>
>
> IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the
> draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. =
To
> be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the documen=
t.
> Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point=
.
>
>
> I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point=
.
> Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a hos=
t
> of problems, such as:
>
>    - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YAN=
G
> for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface.
>      Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is
> multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care
>      about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization of
> the YANG is incorrect.
>
>    - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module
>
>       - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN
> be able to have multiple tenants?
>
>       - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple
> such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know
> what an authentication method even is?
>
>       - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child?
>
>       - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a
> reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant?
>
>       - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they
> here?
>
>
>
>  I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will b=
e
> wrong.
>
>
>
> Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT
> accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.
>
>
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-
> facing-interface-dm-04
>
>
>
> Have requested working group adoption of this draft.
>
>
>
> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft =
current
> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
> working group to work on.
>
>
>
> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
> much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you".
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Linda & Yoav
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> I2nsf mailing list
> I2nsf@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
> _______________________________________________
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John

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>A &quot;Policy Domain&quot; is an administrative doma=
in in which a set of Policies are used to ensure that managed entities in t=
hat domain behave in a desired manner. Policies can be used for configurati=
on, monitoring, access control, and other behavior.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Note that this is a standard term in the academic literature.</div><div><=
br></div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>John</div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59=
 PM, Linda Dunbar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huaw=
ei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue">
<div class=3D"m_-2827539092055078559WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">John,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Since you are the policy expert, what=
 does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D commonly refer to?
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D b=
e one policy applying to a set of tenants? Or one policy applying to a set =
of geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a set of policies?
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Linda<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_-2827539092055078559__MailEndCompose"><=
span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> John Strassner [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for <a href=3D"https://tools.i=
etf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=3D"_=
blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-<wbr>fac=
ing-interface-dm-04</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a dra=
ft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work t=
hat WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear,
 I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objec=
ting on the technical correctness of the starting point.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><br>
I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. =
Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host =
of problems, such as:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - what, exactly, is this dr=
aft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over the=
 Consumer-Facing Interface.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first e=
lement is multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The or=
ganization of the YANG is incorrect.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0</span=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">ieft-i2n=
sf-cf-interface
</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">module<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">mu=
lti-tenancy
</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">at the top of the tree? Shouldn&#39;t a DOMAIN be able t=
o have multiple tenants?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why does a domain=
 have an
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">au=
thentication-method</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;=
Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">? First, multiple such methods should=
 be able to be used. Second, how would a domain
 know what an authentication method even is?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is tenant a s=
ibling of domain, and not a child?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a l=
eaf within policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn&#39;t d=
omain have a reference to policy-tenant?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - policy roles have=
 nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here?<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0I could go on, but even the above =
means that the rest of the YANG will be wrong.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">Therefore, the document is NOT a good st=
arting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">John<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@hua=
wei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG =
Data Model<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"https://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=
=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-<wb=
r>facing-interface-dm-04</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=
=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t=
 mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that =
it is a good basis for a working group to work on.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w=
ith explanations are much more helpful than just &quot;yes please&quot; or =
&quot;no thank you&quot;.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda &amp; Yoav<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/i2nsf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<br>
-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

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I think the draft is at a good start, based on a running code, so I support
this draft for WG draft adoption.

 

Regards,

Seil Jeon

 

 

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The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-0
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Have requested working group adoption of this draft.  

 

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn't mean that the draft current
content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
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While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
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Hi Linda,
Here is my clarification on your question.

> Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch the attribute profile=
 for =E2=80=9Cone
> tenant=E2=80=9D? or list of multiple =E2=80=9Ctenants=E2=80=9D with the a=
ttributes listed for
> one tenant?

Yes, the "+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch represents a list of multiple
"tenants".
In the list, a policy-domain represents a single domain distinguished by
policy-domain-id,
which is an organization (e.g., enterprise).
Note that each domain can have multiple tenants that are actual customers
in the domain,
such as departments (e.g., Human Resources, Finance, and Legal Department).

According to Section 4 (Information Model for Multi-Tenancy) of
draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-im-04,
which is the information model of the I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface,
a tenant is an entity within an organization (e.g., enterprise and
university),
such as a customer or department (e.g., Human Resources, Finance, and Legal
Department).
It could have its own security policies within the organization.

For clarification in the data model tree,
I think that policy-tenant should be a child node of policy-domain as below=
.

       |  +--rw policy-domain* [policy-domain-id]
       |  |  +--rw policy-domain-id*        uint16
       |  |  +--rw name                     string
       |  |  +--rw address?                 string
       |  |  +--rw contact                  string
       |  |  +--rw date                     yang:date-and-time
       |  |  +--rw policy-tenant* [policy-tenant-id]
       |  |     +--rw policy-tenant-id*   uint16
       |  |     +--rw name                string
       |  |     +--rw date                yang:date-and-time
       |  |     +--rw domain              ->
/ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface/
       |  |
multi-tenancy/policy-domain/
       |  |                                            policy-domain-id

In the next revision, we will reflect this one.

If you have further questions, please let me know.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

> Questions to the Authors:
>
>
>
> Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch the attribute profile=
 for =E2=80=9Cone
> tenant=E2=80=9D? or list of multiple =E2=80=9Ctenants=E2=80=9D with the a=
ttributes listed for one
> tenant?
>
>
>
> Thank you very much.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Jaehoon
> Paul Jeong
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2018 6:05 PM
> *To:* John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Rakesh Kumar <rakeshkumarcloud@gmail.com>; i2nsf@ietf.org;
> SecCurator_Team <skku_secu-brain_all@googlegroups.com>; Linda Dunbar <
> linda.dunbar@huawei.com>; Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>;
> Brian Kim <kimshallom12@gmail.com>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/d=
r
> aft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04
>
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Thanks for your constructive suggestions on our draft. :-)
>
> We authors will clarify your suggestions on the next revision.
>
>
>
> You can give us your advice on our next revision.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>
> IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the
> draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. =
To
> be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the documen=
t.
> Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point=
.
>
>
> I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point=
.
> Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a hos=
t
> of problems, such as:
>
>    - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YAN=
G
> for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface.
>      Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is
> multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care
>      about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization of
> the YANG is incorrect.
>
>    - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module
>
>       - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN
> be able to have multiple tenants?
>
>       - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple
> such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know
> what an authentication method even is?
>
>       - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child?
>
>       - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a
> reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant?
>
>       - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they
> here?
>
>
>
>  I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will b=
e
> wrong.
>
>
>
> Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT
> accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.
>
>
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facin
> g-interface-dm-04
>
>
>
> Have requested working group adoption of this draft.
>
>
>
> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft =
current
> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
> working group to work on.
>
>
>
> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
> much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you".
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Linda & Yoav
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> I2nsf@ietf.org
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>
>
>
> --
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
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> Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Software
> Sungkyunkwan University
> Office: +82-31-299-4957
> Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
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Department of Software
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Linda,</div><div>Here is my clarification on your =
question.</div><div><br></div><div>

<div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:sm=
all;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:norma=
l;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;te=
xt-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style=
:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">&gt; Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-te=
nancy=E2=80=9D branch the attribute profile for =E2=80=9Cone=C2=A0</div><di=
v style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small=
;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-=
transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:in=
itial;text-decoration-color:initial">&gt; tenant=E2=80=9D? or list of multi=
ple =E2=80=9Ctenants=E2=80=9D with the attributes listed for=C2=A0</div><di=
v style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small=
;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-=
transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:in=
itial;text-decoration-color:initial">&gt; one tenant?</div>

<br></div><div><div>Yes, the &quot;+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch repr=
esents a list of multiple &quot;tenants&quot;.</div><div>In the list, a pol=
icy-domain represents a single domain distinguished by policy-domain-id,</d=
iv><div>which is an organization (e.g., enterprise).=C2=A0</div><div>Note t=
hat each domain can have multiple tenants that are actual customers in the =
domain,=C2=A0</div><div>such as departments (e.g., Human Resources, Finance=
, and Legal Department).</div></div><div><br></div><div>According to Sectio=
n 4 (Information Model for Multi-Tenancy) of draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facin=
<wbr>g-interface-im-04,=C2=A0</div><div>which is the information model of t=
he I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface,</div><div>a tenant is an entity within =
an organization (e.g., enterprise and university),=C2=A0</div><div>such as =
a customer or department (e.g., Human Resources, Finance, and Legal Departm=
ent).=C2=A0</div><div>It could have its own security policies within the or=
ganization.</div><div><br></div><div>For clarification in the data model tr=
ee,=C2=A0</div><div>I think that policy-tenant should be a child node of po=
licy-domain as below.</div><div><br></div><div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0|=C2=A0 +--rw policy-domain* [policy-domain-id]</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw policy-domain-id*=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 uint16</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--r=
w name=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0string</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw ad=
dress?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0string<=
/div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw contact=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 string</div><div>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0yang:date-and-time</=
div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw policy-tenant* [p=
olicy-tenant-id]</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0+--rw policy-tenant-id*=C2=A0 =C2=A0uint16</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw name=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 string</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yang:date-and-time</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw domain=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -&gt; /ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface/</d=
iv><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 multi-tenancy/policy-domai=
n/</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 policy-domain-id</d=
iv></div><div><br></div><div>In the next revision, we will reflect this one=
.</div><div><br></div><div>If you have further questions, please let me kno=
w.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regar=
ds,</div><div>Paul</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM, Linda Dunbar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@hu=
awei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_8133280450708461812gmail-m_-598006735970633537gmail-m=
_966289239813225152m_-3507836157816117029WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Questions to the Authors:<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Courier">=
Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch the attribute profile f=
or =E2=80=9Cone tenant=E2=80=9D? or list of multiple =E2=80=9Ctenants=E2=80=
=9D with the attributes listed for one tenant?
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Courier">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank you very much.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Linda<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_8133280450708461812_m_-5980067359706335=
37_m_966289239813225152_m_-3507836157816117029__MailEndCompose"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Cali=
bri,sans-serif"> I2nsf [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org</a><wbr>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 06, 2018 6:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Strassner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Rakesh Kumar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rakeshkumarcloud@gmail.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">rakeshkumarcloud@gmail.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:i2ns=
f@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.org</a>; SecCurator_Team &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:skku_secu-brain_all@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">skku_s=
ecu-brain_all@googlegro<wbr>ups.com</a>&gt;; Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>=
&gt;; Xialiang (Frank) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:frank.xialiang@huawei.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">frank.xialiang@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Brian Kim &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:kimshallom12@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kimshallom12@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;; Susan Hares
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank">shares@ndzh.com</=
a>&gt;<span><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for <a href=3D"https://tools.i=
etf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=3D"_=
blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr<wbr>aft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facin<wb=
r>g-interface-dm-04</a><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);background:white">Hi John,</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p><div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8133280450708461812gmail-m_-5980067359706335=
37gmail-m_966289239813225152h5">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Thanks for your con=
structive suggestions on our draft. :-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">We authors will cla=
rify your suggestions on the next revision.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">You can give us you=
r advice on our next revision.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Thanks.<u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Best Regards,<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Paul<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div></div></div><div><div class=3D"gmail-m_8133280450708461812gmail-m_-59=
8006735970633537gmail-m_966289239813225152h5">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, John Strassner &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is =
to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work that WG=
 wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear,
 I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objec=
ting on the technical correctness of the starting point.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br>
I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. =
Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host =
of problems, such as:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - what, exactly, is this draft tr=
ying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over the Consu=
mer-Facing Interface.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first e=
lement is multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The or=
ganization of the YANG is incorrect.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0</span><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">ieft-i2nsf-cf-in=
terface
</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rg=
b(34,34,34)">module<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">mult=
i-tenancy
</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rg=
b(34,34,34)">at the top of the tree? Shouldn&#39;t a DOMAIN be able to have=
 multiple tenants?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why does a domain have =
an
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">auth=
entication-method</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">? First, multiple such methods should be able=
 to be used. Second, how would a domain
 know what an authentication method even is?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is tenant a sibling=
 of domain, and not a child?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a leaf wi=
thin policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn&#39;t domain =
have a reference to policy-tenant?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - policy roles have nothi=
ng to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">=C2=A0I could go on, but even the above means =
that the rest of the YANG will be wrong.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting=
 point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.<u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">John<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@hua=
wei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG =
Data Model<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href=3D"http=
s://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" =
target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr<wbr>aft-jeong-i2nsf-consum=
er-facin<wbr>g-interface-dm-04</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=
=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t=
 mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that =
it is a good basis for a working group to work on.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w=
ith explanations are much more helpful than just &quot;yes please&quot; or =
&quot;no thank you&quot;.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda &amp; Yoav<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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Hi Linda,
Here are my answers as below:

> - Is Section 4 more on the =E2=80=9CStructure of I2nsf Policy Rules=E2=80=
=9D? instead of
=E2=80=9CObjectives=E2=80=9D?

=3D>  Yes, you are right.
Actually, this section is intended to show the structure of a security
policy
(having security rules for a given security policy)  and to explain the
objectives of its components.
In the next revision, we will replace "Objectives" with "The Structure and
Objective
of I2NSF Security Policy" for the title of Section 4.

> - Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw generic-nsf=E2=80=9D branch more for the =E2=80=
=9Cproperty=E2=80=9D of the policy
(lack of better words)?
> More for describing the policy=E2=80=99s priority in relate to others and=
 the
resolution strategy if there is any conflict?

=3D> A "generic-nsf" branch represents a list of security policies
whose security rules are specified as "eca-policy-rules" branches.
Among multiple security rules for a security policy, rule-priority is used
to determines the priorities of the rules, and a resolution strategy of
the security rules is used to resolve the conflicts of the rules in the
same security policy.

Since generic-nsf may be misleading, we will use
"i2nsf-security-policy" branch directly without using the "generic-nsf"
branch.
That is, we will remove the "generic-nsf" branch and will put
the i2nsf-security-policy on the place of the "generic-nsf" branch.

If you have further questions, plesse let me know.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul


On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:44 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

> Authors of draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-data-model:
>
>
> Clarification questions:
>
> -        Is Section 4 more on the =E2=80=9CStructure of I2nsf Policy Rule=
s=E2=80=9D?
> instead of =E2=80=9CObjectives=E2=80=9D?
>
> -        Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw generic-nsf=E2=80=9D branch more for the =
=E2=80=9Cproperty=E2=80=9D of the
> policy (lack of better words)? More for describing the policy=E2=80=99s p=
riority in
> relate to others and the resolution strategy if there is any conflict?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks, Linda
>
>
>
> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong [mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:42 PM
> *To:* John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org; Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>; Jingyong
> (Tim) Kim <wlsdyd0930@nate.com>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>;
> SecCurator_Team <skku_secu-brain_all@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/
> draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-04
>
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Thanks for your good suggestions on our draft. :-)
>
> We authors will clarify your suggestions on the next revision except the
> OO design for the YANG data model.
>
> The OO design takes time, so we will try to address it later.
>
>
>
> You can suggest the good OO design based on our next revision.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:31 AM, John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>
> IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the
> draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. =
To
> be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the documen=
t.
> Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point=
.
>
>
> I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point=
.
> Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a hos=
t
> of problems, such as:
>
>
>
>    - sec 4: it is unclear what is meant by "Objectives", see below
>
>       - sec 4.1 does NOT define what an I2NSF SecurityPolicyRule is, or
> what its objective is
>
>       - secs 4.2 and 4.3 do provide definitions of events and conditions
> (though their grammar needs improvement)
>
>       - sec 4.4 provides a superficial definition of an action that needs
> tightening up
>
>
>
> The above are troublesome, as all definitions are clearly defined in the
> terminology draft. For a long time now... :-( And I really don't understa=
nd
> why this section is labeled "Objectives". Objectives of what? An event? o=
f
> the data model? something else?
>
>
>
>    - sec 5.1:  I don't understand the design of the YANG module at all
>
>      - the ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface module appears to describe a
> policy rule, but is given the name of an interface. In addition, why does=
 generic-nsf
> contain a policy (i2nsf-security-policy)? Put another way, the name of
> the module is the name of an interface, but doesn't describe an interface=
,
> and more importantly,
>         NSFs do NOT contain policy rules - they are sent policy rules by
> the policy engine
>
>      - Worse, why are the event, condition, and action containers NOT
> inside the policy rule?
>
>    - Same problem for figures 5.2-5.4, plus other problems (e.g., why is
> the resolution strategy NOT a part of the policy???)
>
>    - the design of the condition clause is not scalable. In an OO design,
> one does NOT simply list a hundred attributes in a class. We decided that
> the YANG module would be designed in an OO style.
>
>    - same problem for the action clause
>
>
>
> Given the above, the rest of the YANG will be wrong.
>
>
>
> Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT
> accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.
>
>
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG Dat=
a
> Model
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-
> interface-data-model-04
>
>
>
> Have requested working group adoption of this draft.
>
>
>
> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft =
current
> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
> working group to work on.
>
>
>
> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
> much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you".
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Linda & Yoav
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> --
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
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>
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=3D=3D=3D
> Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Software
> Sungkyunkwan University
> Office: +82-31-299-4957
> Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
> Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
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Department of Software
Sungkyunkwan University
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Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Linda,</div><div>Here are my answers as below:</di=
v><div><br></div><div>&gt; - Is Section 4 more on the =E2=80=9CStructure of=
 I2nsf Policy Rules=E2=80=9D? instead of =E2=80=9CObjectives=E2=80=9D?</div=
><div><br></div><div>=3D&gt;=C2=A0 Yes, you are right.</div><div>Actually, =
this section is intended to show the structure of a security policy=C2=A0</=
div><div>(having security rules for a given security policy)=C2=A0 and to e=
xplain the objectives of its components.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div>In the next =
revision, we will replace &quot;Objectives&quot; with &quot;The Structure a=
nd Objective=C2=A0</div><div>of I2NSF Security Policy&quot; for the title o=
f Section 4.</div><div><br></div><div>&gt; - Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw generic-=
nsf=E2=80=9D branch more for the =E2=80=9Cproperty=E2=80=9D of the policy (=
lack of better words)?=C2=A0</div><div>&gt; More for describing the policy=
=E2=80=99s priority in relate to others and the resolution strategy if ther=
e is any conflict?</div><div><br></div><div>=3D&gt; A &quot;generic-nsf&quo=
t; branch represents a list of security policies=C2=A0</div><div>whose secu=
rity rules are specified as &quot;eca-policy-rules&quot; branches.</div><di=
v>Among multiple security rules for a security policy, rule-priority is use=
d=C2=A0</div><div>to determines the priorities of the rules, and a resoluti=
on strategy of=C2=A0</div><div>the security rules is used to resolve the co=
nflicts of the rules in the same security policy.</div><div><br></div><div>=
Since generic-nsf may be misleading, we will use</div><div>&quot;i2nsf-secu=
rity-policy&quot; branch directly without using the &quot;generic-nsf&quot;=
 branch.=C2=A0</div><div>That is, we will remove the &quot;generic-nsf&quot=
; branch and will put=C2=A0</div><div>the i2nsf-security-policy on the plac=
e of the &quot;generic-nsf&quot; branch.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>If =
you have further questions, plesse let me know.</div><div><br></div><div>Th=
anks.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div>Paul</div><div><br><=
/div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri=
, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:44 AM, Linda Dunbar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_6293358342179766024WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Authors of draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing=
-<wbr>interface-data-data-model:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><br>
Clarification questions: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_6293358342179766024MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><s=
pan>-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Is Section 4 more on the =E2=80=
=9CStructure of I2nsf Policy Rules=E2=80=9D? instead of =E2=80=9CObjectives=
=E2=80=9D?
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_6293358342179766024MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><s=
pan>-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw generic-ns=
f=E2=80=9D branch more for the =E2=80=9Cproperty=E2=80=9D of the policy (la=
ck of better words)? More for describing the policy=E2=80=99s priority in r=
elate
 to others and the resolution strategy if there is any conflict? <u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks, Linda<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_6293358342179766024__MailEndCompose"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong [mailto=
:<a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@g=
mail.com</a><wbr>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Strassner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.o=
rg</a>; Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=
=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Jingyong (Tim) Kim &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:wlsdyd0930@nate.com" target=3D"_blank">wlsdyd0930@nate.com</a>&g=
t;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank">sh=
ares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;; SecCurator_Team &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:skku_secu-brai=
n_all@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">skku_secu-brain_all@<wbr>googlegr=
oups.com</a>&gt;<span class=3D""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for <a href=3D"https://tools.i=
etf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-04" target=3D"=
_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-<wbr>in=
terface-data-model-04</a><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi John,<u></u><u></u></p><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks for your good suggestions on our draft. :-)<u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We authors will clarify your suggestions on the next=
 revision except the OO design for the YANG data model.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The OO design takes time, so we will try to address =
it later.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You can suggest the good OO design based on our next=
 revision.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Paul<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div></div></div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:31 AM, John Strassner &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a dra=
ft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work t=
hat WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear,
 I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objec=
ting on the technical correctness of the starting point.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><br>
I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. =
Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host =
of problems, such as:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: it is unclear what=
 is meant by &quot;Objectives&quot;, see below<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - sec 4.1 does NOT =
define what an I2NSF SecurityPolicyRule is, or what its objective is<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - secs 4.2 and 4.3 =
do provide definitions of events and conditions (though their grammar needs=
 improvement)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - sec 4.4 provides =
a superficial definition of an action that needs tightening up<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">The above are troublesome, as all defini=
tions are clearly defined in the terminology draft. For a long time now... =
:-( And I really don&#39;t understand why this section
 is labeled &quot;Objectives&quot;. Objectives of what? An event? of the da=
ta model? something else?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 5.1:=C2=A0 I don&#39;=
t understand the design of the YANG module at all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 - the=C2=A0</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">ietf-i2nsf-=
nsf-facing-<wbr>interface
</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">module appears to describe a policy rule, but is given t=
he name of an interface. In addition, why does
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">ge=
neric-nsf
</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">contain a policy (</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:Consolas;color:black">i2nsf-security-policy</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"=
>)?
 Put another way, the name of the module is the name of an interface, but d=
oesn&#39;t describe an interface, and more importantly,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NSFs do NOT contain policy rules - they are sen=
t policy rules by the policy engine<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 - Worse, why are the=
 event, condition, and action containers NOT inside the policy rule?<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Same problem for figures =
5.2-5.4, plus other problems (e.g., why is the resolution strategy NOT a pa=
rt of the policy???)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - the design of the conditi=
on clause is not scalable. In an OO design, one does NOT simply list a hund=
red attributes in a class. We decided that the YANG module
 would be designed in an OO style.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - same problem for the acti=
on clause<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">Given the above, the rest of the YANG wi=
ll be wrong.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">Therefore, the document is NOT a good st=
arting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">John<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@hua=
wei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Faci=
ng Interface YANG Data Model<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2n=
sf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-04" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf=
.org/html/<wbr>draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-<wbr>interface-data-model-04</a><=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=
=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t=
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Department of Software<br>
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Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>
Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.=
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Linda,
Yes, you are right.
We will clarify this in the revision.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul


2018. 2. 13. =EC=98=A4=EC=A0=84 1:59=EC=97=90 "Linda Dunbar" <linda.dunbar@=
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Paul,



Thank you very much for the explanation.



So the =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D in your document is about a =E2=80=
=9CFamily (or group) of
Tenants=E2=80=9D, correct?





Linda



*From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong [mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 2:56 AM
*To:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
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Brian Kim <kimshallom12@gmail.com>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>;
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Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>

*Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/
draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04



Hi Linda,

Here is my clarification on your question.



> Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch the attribute profile=
 for =E2=80=9Cone

> tenant=E2=80=9D? or list of multiple =E2=80=9Ctenants=E2=80=9D with the a=
ttributes listed for

> one tenant?



Yes, the "+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch represents a list of multiple
"tenants".

In the list, a policy-domain represents a single domain distinguished by
policy-domain-id,

which is an organization (e.g., enterprise).

Note that each domain can have multiple tenants that are actual customers
in the domain,

such as departments (e.g., Human Resources, Finance, and Legal Department).



According to Section 4 (Information Model for Multi-Tenancy) of
draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-im-04,

which is the information model of the I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface,

a tenant is an entity within an organization (e.g., enterprise and
university),

such as a customer or department (e.g., Human Resources, Finance, and Legal
Department).

It could have its own security policies within the organization.



For clarification in the data model tree,

I think that policy-tenant should be a child node of policy-domain as below=
.



       |  +--rw policy-domain* [policy-domain-id]

       |  |  +--rw policy-domain-id*        uint16

       |  |  +--rw name                     string

       |  |  +--rw address?                 string

       |  |  +--rw contact                  string

       |  |  +--rw date                     yang:date-and-time

       |  |  +--rw policy-tenant* [policy-tenant-id]

       |  |     +--rw policy-tenant-id*   uint16

       |  |     +--rw name                string

       |  |     +--rw date                yang:date-and-time

       |  |     +--rw domain              -> /ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-
interface/

       |  |
multi-tenancy/policy-domain/

       |  |                                            policy-domain-id



In the next revision, we will reflect this one.



If you have further questions, please let me know.



Thanks.



Best Regards,

Paul



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

Questions to the Authors:



Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch the attribute profile f=
or =E2=80=9Cone tenant=E2=80=9D?
or list of multiple =E2=80=9Ctenants=E2=80=9D with the attributes listed fo=
r one tenant?



Thank you very much.



Linda





*From:* I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Jaehoon
Paul Jeong
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SecCurator_Team <skku_secu-brain_all@googlegroups.com>; Linda Dunbar <
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*Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/
draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04



Hi John,

Thanks for your constructive suggestions on our draft. :-)

We authors will clarify your suggestions on the next revision.



You can give us your advice on our next revision.



Thanks.



Best Regards,

Paul





On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com> wrote:

IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the draft
is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be
perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the document.
Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point.


I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point.
Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host
of problems, such as:

   - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG
for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface.
     Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is
multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care
     about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization of
the YANG is incorrect.

   - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module

      - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN be
able to have multiple tenants?

      - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple
such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know
what an authentication method even is?

      - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child?

      - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a
reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant?

      - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they
here?



 I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will be
wrong.



Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT
accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.



regards,

John



On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:





The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-
facing-interface-dm-04



Have requested working group adoption of this draft.



Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft cu=
rrent
content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
working group to work on.



While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you".



Thank you.



Linda & Yoav





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Paul,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you very much for the explanati=
on.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">So the =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=
=9D in your document is about a =E2=80=9CFamily (or group) of Tenants=E2=80=
=9D, correct?
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_-3951410760108680426__MailEndCompose"><=
span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:#1f497d">Linda<u></u><u></u></span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong [mailto=
:<a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@g=
mail.com</a><wbr>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 12, 2018 2:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.o=
rg</a>; John Strassner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>&gt;; Rakesh Kumar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rake=
shkumarcloud@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rakeshkumarcloud@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;; Xialiang (Frank) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:frank.xialiang@huawei.com" target=
=3D"_blank">frank.xialiang@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Brian Kim &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:kimshallom12@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kimshallom12@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank">sha=
res@ndzh.com</a>&gt;; SecCurator_Team &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:skku_secu-brain=
_all@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">skku_secu-brain_all@<wbr>googlegro=
ups.com</a>&gt;;
 Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span></p><div class=3D"elided-=
text"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for <a href=3D"https://tools.i=
etf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=3D"_=
blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-<wbr>fac=
ing-interface-dm-04</a><u></u><u></u></div><p></p><div class=3D"elided-text=
">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Linda,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here is my clarification on your question.<u></u><u>=
</u></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">&gt; Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch=
 the attribute profile for =E2=80=9Cone=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">&gt; tenant=E2=80=9D? or list of multiple =E2=80=9Ctenan=
ts=E2=80=9D with the attributes listed for=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">&gt; one tenant?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, the &quot;+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch r=
epresents a list of multiple &quot;tenants&quot;.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In the list, a policy-domain represents a single dom=
ain distinguished by policy-domain-id,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">which is an organization (e.g., enterprise).=C2=A0<u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Note that each domain can have multiple tenants that=
 are actual customers in the domain,=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">such as departments (e.g., Human Resources, Finance,=
 and Legal Department).<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">According to Section 4 (Information Model for Multi-=
Tenancy) of draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-<wbr>facing-interface-im-04,=C2=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">which is the information model of the I2NSF Consumer=
-Facing Interface,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">a tenant is an entity within an organization (e.g., =
enterprise and university),=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">such as a customer or department (e.g., Human Resour=
ces, Finance, and Legal Department).=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It could have its own security policies within the o=
rganization.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">For clarification in the data model tree,=C2=A0<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think that policy-tenant should be a child node of=
 policy-domain as below.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 +--rw policy-doma=
in* [policy-domain-id]<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw pol=
icy-domain-id*=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 uint16<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw nam=
e=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0string<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw add=
ress?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0string<u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw con=
tact=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 string<u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw dat=
e=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0yang:date-and-time<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw pol=
icy-tenant* [policy-tenant-id]<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0+--rw policy-tenant-id*=C2=A0 =C2=A0uint16<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0+--rw name=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 str=
ing<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0+--rw date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yan=
g:date-and-time<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0+--rw domain=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -&gt; /i=
etf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-<wbr>interface/<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 multi-te=
nancy/policy-domain/<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 policy-d=
omain-id<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In the next revision, we will reflect this one.<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you have further questions, please let me know.<u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Paul<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huaw=
ei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Questions to the Authors:</span><u></=
u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Courier">=
Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch the attribute profile f=
or =E2=80=9Cone tenant=E2=80=9D? or list of multiple =E2=80=9Ctenants=E2=80=
=9D with the attributes listed
 for one tenant? </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Courier">=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you very much.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Linda</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_-3951410760108680426_m_8133280450708461=
812_m_-598006735970633"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> I2nsf [mailto:<a href=3D"mailt=
o:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org</a><wbr>=
]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 06, 2018 6:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Strassner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Rakesh Kumar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rakeshkumarcloud@gmail.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">rakeshkumarcloud@gmail.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.org</a>; Sec=
Curator_Team &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:skku_secu-brain_all@googlegroups.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">skku_secu-brain_all@<wbr>googlegroups.com</a>&gt;; Linda Du=
nbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda=
.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;;
 Xialiang (Frank) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:frank.xialiang@huawei.com" target=
=3D"_blank">frank.xialiang@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Brian Kim &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:kimshallom12@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kimshallom12@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank">sha=
res@ndzh.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for <a href=3D"https://tools.i=
etf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=3D"_=
blank">
https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-<wbr>facing-int=
erface-dm-04</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Hi John,</span><u></u><=
u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#222222">Thanks for your constructive suggestions on our draft. :-)</spa=
n><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#222222">We authors will clarify your suggestions on the next revision.<=
/span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#222222">You can give us your advice on our next revision.</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#222222">Thanks.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#222222">Best Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#222222">Paul</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, John Strassner &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a dra=
ft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for
 the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT obje=
cting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the te=
chnical correctness of the starting point.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><br>
I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. =
Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host =
of problems, such as:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - what, exactly, is this dr=
aft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over
 the Consumer-Facing Interface.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first e=
lement is multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The or=
ganization of the YANG is incorrect.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0</span=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">ieft-i2n=
sf-cf-interface
</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">module</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">mu=
lti-tenancy
</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">at the top of the tree? Shouldn&#39;t a DOMAIN be able t=
o have multiple tenants?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why does a domain=
 have an
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">au=
thentication-method</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;=
Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">? First, multiple such methods should=
 be able to be used. Second, how would a domain
 know what an authentication method even is?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is tenant a s=
ibling of domain, and not a child?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a l=
eaf within policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn&#39;t d=
omain
 have a reference to policy-tenant?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - policy roles have=
 nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here?</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0I could go on, but even the above =
means that the rest of the YANG will be wrong.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">Therefore, the document is NOT a good st=
arting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good
 RFC.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">John</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@hua=
wei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG =
Data Model<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"https://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=
=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-<wb=
r>facing-interface-dm-04</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=
=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t=
 mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that =
it is a good basis for a working group to work on.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w=
ith explanations are much more helpful than just &quot;yes please&quot; or =
&quot;no thank you&quot;.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda &amp; Yoav<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#888888">John</span><u></u><u><=
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
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Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>
Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.=
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Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.<br>
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Department of Software<br>
Sungkyunkwan University<br>
Office: +82-31-299-4957<br>
Email: <a href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jaehoon.=
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lank"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt">paulje<wbr>ong@skku.edu</span></a><br=
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It is hard to tell due to lack of specificity, but likely it is NOT a
correct use of the term.
The relationship is backwards - a tenant does NOT control policies. Rather,
an
admin domain (i.e., a policy domain) control policies, and tenants exist in
an
admin domain.

This is what I meant in my brief comment.

regards,
John

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

> John,
>
>
>
> Thank you very much for the interpretation of =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=
=80=9D.
>
>
>
> Based on the reply from Paul, the term =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D in=
 their draft is
> about a =E2=80=9CFamily (or a group) of Tenants=E2=80=9D.
>
> Is it a proper to use =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D as a term referring=
 to the domain
> applying to a family or a group of tenants? Say a group of Departments
> (tenants) belonging under one organization?
>
>
>
> If not, can you suggest a better term?
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:08 PM
> *To:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" commonly refer
> to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/
> draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04
>
>
>
> A "Policy Domain" is an administrative domain in which a set of Policies
> are used to ensure that managed entities in that domain behave in a desir=
ed
> manner. Policies can be used for configuration, monitoring, access contro=
l,
> and other behavior.
>
>
>
> Note that this is a standard term in the academic literature.
>
>
>
>
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
> John,
>
>
>
> Since you are the policy expert, what does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=
=9D commonly refer
> to?
>
> Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D be one policy applying to a set of te=
nants? Or one
> policy applying to a set of geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a
> set of policies?
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM
> *To:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/
> draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04
>
>
>
> IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the
> draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. =
To
> be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the documen=
t.
> Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point=
.
>
>
> I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point=
.
> Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a hos=
t
> of problems, such as:
>
>    - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YAN=
G
> for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface.
>      Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is
> multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care
>      about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization of
> the YANG is incorrect.
>
>    - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module
>
>       - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN
> be able to have multiple tenants?
>
>       - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple
> such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know
> what an authentication method even is?
>
>       - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child?
>
>       - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a
> reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant?
>
>       - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they
> here?
>
>
>
>  I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will b=
e
> wrong.
>
>
>
> Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT
> accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.
>
>
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-
> facing-interface-dm-04
>
>
>
> Have requested working group adoption of this draft.
>
>
>
> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft =
current
> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
> working group to work on.
>
>
>
> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
> much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you".
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Linda & Yoav
>
>
>
>
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> I2nsf mailing list
> I2nsf@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> I2nsf mailing list
> I2nsf@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> regards,
>
> John
>



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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>It is hard to tell due to lack of specificity, but li=
kely it is NOT a correct use of the term.</div><div>The relationship is bac=
kwards - a tenant does NOT control policies. Rather, an</div><div>admin dom=
ain (i.e., a policy domain) control policies, and tenants exist in an</div>=
<div>admin domain.</div><div><br></div><div>This is what I meant in my brie=
f comment.</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>John</div></div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 =
at 9:05 AM, Linda Dunbar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunb=
ar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue">
<div class=3D"m_-7240495765275307456WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">John,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you very much for the interpret=
ation of =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Based on the reply from Paul, the ter=
m =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D in their draft is about a =E2=80=9CFamily=
 (or a group) of Tenants=E2=80=9D.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Is it a proper to use =E2=80=9CPolicy=
 domain=E2=80=9D as a term referring to the domain applying to a family or =
a group of tenants? Say a group of Departments (tenants) belonging
 under one organization? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">If not, can you suggest a better term=
?
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Linda<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_-7240495765275307456__MailEndCompose"><=
span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> John Strassner [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] what does the term &quot;Policy Domain&quot; co=
mmonly refer to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for <a href=3D"https://tools.iet=
f.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-<wbr>facin=
g-interface-dm-04</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A &quot;Policy Domain&quot; is an administrative dom=
ain in which a set of Policies are used to ensure that managed entities in =
that domain behave in a desired manner. Policies can be used for configurat=
ion, monitoring, access control, and other behavior.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Note that this is a standard term in the academic li=
terature.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huaw=
ei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">John,
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Since you are the policy expert, what=
 does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D commonly refer to?
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D b=
e one policy applying to a set of tenants? Or one policy applying to a set =
of
 geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a set of policies? </span><u></=
u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Linda</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_-7240495765275307456_m_-282753909205507=
8559__MailEndCompose"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> John Strassner [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for <a href=3D"https://tools.i=
etf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=3D"_=
blank">
https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-<wbr>facing-int=
erface-dm-04</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a dra=
ft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for
 the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT obje=
cting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the te=
chnical correctness of the starting point.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><br>
I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. =
Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host =
of problems, such as:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - what, exactly, is this dr=
aft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over
 the Consumer-Facing Interface.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first e=
lement is multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The or=
ganization of the YANG is incorrect.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0</span=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">ieft-i2n=
sf-cf-interface
</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">module</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">mu=
lti-tenancy
</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">at the top of the tree? Shouldn&#39;t a DOMAIN be able t=
o have multiple tenants?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why does a domain=
 have an
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">au=
thentication-method</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;=
Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">? First, multiple such methods should=
 be able to be used. Second, how would a domain
 know what an authentication method even is?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is tenant a s=
ibling of domain, and not a child?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a l=
eaf within policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn&#39;t d=
omain
 have a reference to policy-tenant?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - policy roles have=
 nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here?</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0I could go on, but even the above =
means that the rest of the YANG will be wrong.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">Therefore, the document is NOT a good st=
arting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good
 RFC.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">John</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@hua=
wei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG =
Data Model<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"https://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=
=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-<wb=
r>facing-interface-dm-04</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=
=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t=
 mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that =
it is a good basis for a working group to work on.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w=
ith explanations are much more helpful than just &quot;yes please&quot; or =
&quot;no thank you&quot;.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda &amp; Yoav<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/i2nsf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<br>
-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
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John,
Thanks for your clear explanation.
We authors will reflect your comments in our revision.

Best Regards,
Paul

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:22 AM, John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com> wrote:

> It is hard to tell due to lack of specificity, but likely it is NOT a
> correct use of the term.
> The relationship is backwards - a tenant does NOT control policies.
> Rather, an
> admin domain (i.e., a policy domain) control policies, and tenants exist
> in an
> admin domain.
>
> This is what I meant in my brief comment.
>
> regards,
> John
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much for the interpretation of =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=
=80=9D.
>>
>>
>>
>> Based on the reply from Paul, the term =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D i=
n their draft is
>> about a =E2=80=9CFamily (or a group) of Tenants=E2=80=9D.
>>
>> Is it a proper to use =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D as a term referrin=
g to the domain
>> applying to a family or a group of tenants? Say a group of Departments
>> (tenants) belonging under one organization?
>>
>>
>>
>> If not, can you suggest a better term?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:08 PM
>> *To:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
>> *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" commonly refer
>> to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr
>> aft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04
>>
>>
>>
>> A "Policy Domain" is an administrative domain in which a set of Policies
>> are used to ensure that managed entities in that domain behave in a desi=
red
>> manner. Policies can be used for configuration, monitoring, access contr=
ol,
>> and other behavior.
>>
>>
>>
>> Note that this is a standard term in the academic literature.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>>
>>
>> Since you are the policy expert, what does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=
=9D commonly refer
>> to?
>>
>> Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D be one policy applying to a set of t=
enants? Or one
>> policy applying to a set of geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a
>> set of policies?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM
>> *To:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
>> *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facin
>> g-interface-dm-04
>>
>>
>>
>> IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the
>> draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish.=
 To
>> be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the docume=
nt.
>> Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting poin=
t.
>>
>>
>> I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting
>> point. Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there a=
re
>> a host of problems, such as:
>>
>>    - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see
>> YANG for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface.
>>      Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is
>> multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care
>>      about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization o=
f
>> the YANG is incorrect.
>>
>>    - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module
>>
>>       - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN
>> be able to have multiple tenants?
>>
>>       - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple
>> such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know
>> what an authentication method even is?
>>
>>       - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child?
>>
>>       - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a
>> reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant?
>>
>>       - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are the=
y
>> here?
>>
>>
>>
>>  I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will
>> be wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>> Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT
>> accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.
>>
>>
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model
>>
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facin
>> g-interface-dm-04
>>
>>
>>
>> Have requested working group adoption of this draft.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft=
 current
>> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
>> working group to work on.
>>
>>
>>
>> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
>> much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you".
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Linda & Yoav
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>> regards,
>>
>> John
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> John
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<div dir=3D"ltr">John,<div>Thanks for your clear explanation.</div><div>We =
authors will reflect your comments in our revision.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Best Regards,</div><div>Paul</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:22 AM, John Strassner <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>strazpdj@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>It is hard to tell due to lack of specificity, but l=
ikely it is NOT a correct use of the term.</div><div>The relationship is ba=
ckwards - a tenant does NOT control policies. Rather, an</div><div>admin do=
main (i.e., a policy domain) control policies, and tenants exist in an</div=
><div>admin domain.</div><div><br></div><div>This is what I meant in my bri=
ef comment.</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>John</div></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><div><div class=3D"h5"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Linda Dunbar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawe=
i.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue">
<div class=3D"m_4636411215642580135m_-7240495765275307456WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">John,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you very much for the interpret=
ation of =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Based on the reply from Paul, the ter=
m =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D in their draft is about a =E2=80=9CFamily=
 (or a group) of Tenants=E2=80=9D.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Is it a proper to use =E2=80=9CPolicy=
 domain=E2=80=9D as a term referring to the domain applying to a family or =
a group of tenants? Say a group of Departments (tenants) belonging
 under one organization? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">If not, can you suggest a better term=
?
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Linda<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_4636411215642580135_m_-7240495765275307=
456__MailEndCompose"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cali=
bri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> John Strassner [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] what does the term &quot;Policy Domain&quot; co=
mmonly refer to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for <a href=3D"https://tools.iet=
f.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr<wbr>aft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facin<wbr>=
g-interface-dm-04</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A &quot;Policy Domain&quot; is an administrative dom=
ain in which a set of Policies are used to ensure that managed entities in =
that domain behave in a desired manner. Policies can be used for configurat=
ion, monitoring, access control, and other behavior.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Note that this is a standard term in the academic li=
terature.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huaw=
ei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">John,
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Since you are the policy expert, what=
 does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D commonly refer to?
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D b=
e one policy applying to a set of tenants? Or one policy applying to a set =
of
 geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a set of policies? </span><u></=
u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Linda</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_4636411215642580135_m_-7240495765275307=
456_m_-2827539092055078559__MailEndCompose"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></a=
><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> John Strassner [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for <a href=3D"https://tools.i=
etf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=3D"_=
blank">
https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr<wbr>aft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facin<wbr>g-int=
erface-dm-04</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a dra=
ft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for
 the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT obje=
cting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the te=
chnical correctness of the starting point.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><br>
I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. =
Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host =
of problems, such as:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - what, exactly, is this dr=
aft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over
 the Consumer-Facing Interface.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first e=
lement is multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The or=
ganization of the YANG is incorrect.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0</span=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">ieft-i2n=
sf-cf-interface
</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">module</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">mu=
lti-tenancy
</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">at the top of the tree? Shouldn&#39;t a DOMAIN be able t=
o have multiple tenants?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why does a domain=
 have an
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">au=
thentication-method</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;=
Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">? First, multiple such methods should=
 be able to be used. Second, how would a domain
 know what an authentication method even is?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is tenant a s=
ibling of domain, and not a child?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a l=
eaf within policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn&#39;t d=
omain
 have a reference to policy-tenant?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - policy roles have=
 nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here?</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0I could go on, but even the above =
means that the rest of the YANG will be wrong.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">Therefore, the document is NOT a good st=
arting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good
 RFC.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">John</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@hua=
wei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG =
Data Model<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"https://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=
=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr<wbr>aft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-fac=
in<wbr>g-interface-dm-04</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=
=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t=
 mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that =
it is a good basis for a working group to work on.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w=
ith explanations are much more helpful than just &quot;yes please&quot; or =
&quot;no thank you&quot;.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda &amp; Yoav<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
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</blockquote>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<br>
-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
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<br>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
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</div>
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Hi Linda and all,

 I am Hyoungshick Kim from Sungkyunkwan University.

I would like to support the WG adoption of this draft, =E2=80=9CI2NSF
Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model=E2=80=9D.
Many use cases will covered by this interface.

Best regards,

Hyoung

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 8:21 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wro=
te:
>
>
> The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG Dat=
a
> Model
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-mod=
el-04
>
>
>
> Have requested working group adoption of this draft.
>
>
>
> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft =
current
> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
> working group to work on.
>
>
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> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
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From: John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com>
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Yes,

I am objecting to a tenant owning a policy. That is backwards. Policies are
owned by Administrative Domains.

Yes, an organization could be an Administrative Domain. More likely, an
Organization has multiple groups (OUs in the X.500/LDAP world, departments
in English) that are each Administrative Domains. In this situation,
policies are hierarchical (higher controls lower, lower cannot conflict
with higher). So each Administrative Domain applies its set of policies (if
any) to a tent (typically a person or OU).

regards,
John

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
wrote:

> John,
>
>
>
> Do you mean the term =E2=80=9CAdmin-Domain=E2=80=9D can be used to repres=
ent a group of
> Tenants? For example: =E2=80=9CAdmin Domain=E2=80=9D can be a company, an=
d each Tenant can
> be a department within the company?  One =E2=80=9CAdmin Domain=E2=80=9D h=
as many =E2=80=9CTenants=E2=80=9D?
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 5:22 PM
> *To:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" commonly refer
> to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/
> draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04
>
>
>
> It is hard to tell due to lack of specificity, but likely it is NOT a
> correct use of the term.
>
> The relationship is backwards - a tenant does NOT control policies.
> Rather, an
>
> admin domain (i.e., a policy domain) control policies, and tenants exist
> in an
>
> admin domain.
>
>
>
> This is what I meant in my brief comment.
>
>
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
> John,
>
>
>
> Thank you very much for the interpretation of =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=
=80=9D.
>
>
>
> Based on the reply from Paul, the term =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D in=
 their draft is
> about a =E2=80=9CFamily (or a group) of Tenants=E2=80=9D.
>
> Is it a proper to use =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D as a term referring=
 to the domain
> applying to a family or a group of tenants? Say a group of Departments
> (tenants) belonging under one organization?
>
>
>
> If not, can you suggest a better term?
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:08 PM
> *To:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" commonly refer
> to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/
> draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04
>
>
>
> A "Policy Domain" is an administrative domain in which a set of Policies
> are used to ensure that managed entities in that domain behave in a desir=
ed
> manner. Policies can be used for configuration, monitoring, access contro=
l,
> and other behavior.
>
>
>
> Note that this is a standard term in the academic literature.
>
>
>
>
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
> John,
>
>
>
> Since you are the policy expert, what does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=
=9D commonly refer
> to?
>
> Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D be one policy applying to a set of te=
nants? Or one
> policy applying to a set of geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a
> set of policies?
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM
> *To:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/
> draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04
>
>
>
> IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the
> draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. =
To
> be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the documen=
t.
> Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point=
.
>
>
> I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point=
.
> Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a hos=
t
> of problems, such as:
>
>    - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YAN=
G
> for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface.
>      Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is
> multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care
>      about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization of
> the YANG is incorrect.
>
>    - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module
>
>       - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN
> be able to have multiple tenants?
>
>       - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple
> such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know
> what an authentication method even is?
>
>       - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child?
>
>       - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a
> reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant?
>
>       - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they
> here?
>
>
>
>  I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will b=
e
> wrong.
>
>
>
> Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT
> accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.
>
>
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-
> facing-interface-dm-04
>
>
>
> Have requested working group adoption of this draft.
>
>
>
> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft =
current
> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
> working group to work on.
>
>
>
> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
> much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you".
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Linda & Yoav
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> I2nsf mailing list
> I2nsf@ietf.org
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>
>
>
>
> --
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> regards,
>
> John
>



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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Yes,</div><div><br></div><div>I am objecting to a ten=
ant owning a policy. That is backwards. Policies are owned by Administrativ=
e Domains.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, an organization could be an Admini=
strative Domain. More likely, an Organization has multiple groups (OUs in t=
he X.500/LDAP world, departments in English) that are each=C2=A0<span style=
=3D"font:400 13.33px arial,sans-serif;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);t=
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ne;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:normal;font-size-adjust:none=
;font-stretch:normal;float:none;background-color:transparent">Administrativ=
e Domains. In this situation, policies are hierarchical (higher controls lo=
wer, lower cannot conflict with higher). So each=C2=A0<span style=3D"font:4=
00 13.33px arial,sans-serif;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transf=
orm:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;text-decoration:none;word-sp=
acing:0px;display:inline;white-space:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stre=
tch:normal;float:none;background-color:transparent">Administrative Domain a=
pplies its set of policies (if any) to a tent (typically a person or OU).</=
span></span></div><div><span style=3D"font:400 13.33px arial,sans-serif;tex=
t-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter=
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d-color:transparent"><span style=3D"font:400 13.33px arial,sans-serif;text-=
align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-s=
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ace:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;float:none;background-=
color:transparent"><br></span></span></div><div><span style=3D"font:400 13.=
33px arial,sans-serif;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:no=
ne;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:=
0px;display:inline;white-space:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:no=
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;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0p=
x;display:inline;white-space:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:norm=
al;float:none;background-color:transparent">regards,</span></span></div><di=
v><span style=3D"font:400 13.33px arial,sans-serif;text-align:left;color:rg=
b(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;text-=
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<span style=3D"font:400 13.33px arial,sans-serif;text-align:left;color:rgb(=
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coration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:normal;font-size-=
adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;float:none;background-color:transparent">Jo=
hn</span></span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Linda Dunbar <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunb=
ar@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">John,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Do you mean the term =E2=80=9CAdmin-D=
omain=E2=80=9D can be used to represent a group of Tenants? For example: =
=E2=80=9CAdmin Domain=E2=80=9D can be a company, and each Tenant can be a d=
epartment
 within the company?=C2=A0 One =E2=80=9CAdmin Domain=E2=80=9D has many =E2=
=80=9CTenants=E2=80=9D? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Linda<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_1063106905125655539__MailEndCompose"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> John Strassner [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 12, 2018 5:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] what does the term &quot;Policy Domain&quot; co=
mmonly refer to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for <a href=3D"https://tools.iet=
f.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-<wbr>facin=
g-interface-dm-04</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It is hard to tell due to lack of specificity, but l=
ikely it is NOT a correct use of the term.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The relationship is backwards - a tenant does NOT co=
ntrol policies. Rather, an<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">admin domain (i.e., a policy domain) control policie=
s, and tenants exist in an<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">admin domain.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is what I meant in my brief comment.<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@hua=
wei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">John,
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you very much for the interpret=
ation of =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Based on the reply from Paul, the ter=
m =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D in their draft is about a =E2=80=9CFamily=
 (or a group)
 of Tenants=E2=80=9D. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Is it a proper to use =E2=80=9CPolicy=
 domain=E2=80=9D as a term referring to the domain applying to a family or =
a group
 of tenants? Say a group of Departments (tenants) belonging under one organ=
ization?
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">If not, can you suggest a better term=
?
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Linda</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_1063106905125655539_m_-7240495765275307=
456__MailEndCompose"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cali=
bri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> John Strassner [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] what does the term &quot;Policy Domain&quot; co=
mmonly refer to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-in=
terface-dm-04" target=3D"_blank">
https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-<wbr>facing-int=
erface-dm-04</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A &quot;Policy Domain&quot; is an administrative dom=
ain in which a set of Policies are used to ensure that managed entities in =
that domain behave in a desired manner. Policies can be used
 for configuration, monitoring, access control, and other behavior.<u></u><=
u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Note that this is a standard term in the academic li=
terature.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huaw=
ei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">John,
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Since you are the policy expert, what=
 does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D commonly refer to?
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D b=
e one policy applying to a set of tenants? Or one policy applying to a set =
of
 geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a set of policies? </span><u></=
u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Linda</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_1063106905125655539_m_-7240495765275307=
456_m_-28275390920550"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> John Strassner [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i2nsf@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for <a href=3D"https://tools.i=
etf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=3D"_=
blank">
https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-<wbr>facing-int=
erface-dm-04</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a dra=
ft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for
 the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT obje=
cting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the te=
chnical correctness of the starting point.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><br>
I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. =
Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host =
of problems, such as:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - what, exactly, is this dr=
aft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over
 the Consumer-Facing Interface.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first e=
lement is multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The or=
ganization of the YANG is incorrect.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0</span=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">ieft-i2n=
sf-cf-interface
</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">module</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">mu=
lti-tenancy
</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:#222222">at the top of the tree? Shouldn&#39;t a DOMAIN be able t=
o have multiple tenants?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why does a domain=
 have an
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">au=
thentication-method</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;=
Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">? First, multiple such methods should=
 be able to be used. Second, how would a domain
 know what an authentication method even is?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is tenant a s=
ibling of domain, and not a child?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a l=
eaf within policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn&#39;t d=
omain
 have a reference to policy-tenant?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - policy roles have=
 nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here?</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0I could go on, but even the above =
means that the rest of the YANG will be wrong.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">Therefore, the document is NOT a good st=
arting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good
 RFC.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">John</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@hua=
wei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG =
Data Model<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"https://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04" target=
=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-<wb=
r>facing-interface-dm-04</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=
=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t=
 mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that =
it is a good basis for a working group to work on.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w=
ith explanations are much more helpful than just &quot;yes please&quot; or =
&quot;no thank you&quot;.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda &amp; Yoav<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
I2nsf mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:I2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">I2nsf@ietf.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/i2nsf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<br>
-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
I2nsf mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:I2nsf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">I2nsf@ietf.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/i2nsf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<br>
-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<br>
-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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Thanks to all who participated.

We believe that there is rough consensus to adopt this document as a =
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> On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:23, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:
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> On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:21, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:
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> =20
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> Thank you.=20
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Linda,

I read the draft.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req/

We will provide some comments from the point of view of our network security automation use case.
# Our team especially studies about security operation automation between controller and NSF, not between user and controller. So we want to provide only general comments.

- About Basic rules for Client-Facing Interface definition
Vendor-independence is very important thing for carrier NW's operation.
We think independence of NSF's version is important too.
We think it's problem that client-facing interface depends on NSF's version.

If client-facing interface depends on NSF's version, it means I2NSF RESTful API depends on NSF's version.
So it means automation program which uses the API has to be changed at every version up.

- About attack traffic transport
We consider that network security operators want to analyze attack traffic by using appropriate NSFs, so network should transport attack traffic to the NSFs easily.
We think it's important thing that client-facing interface enables network security operator to do so easily.

Yuhei

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Hi Yoav,
We authors will address the comments on the new WG document
on Consumer-Facing Interface Data Model and submit it before the I-D due.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul

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> Thanks to all who participated.
>
> We believe that there is rough consensus to adopt this document as a
> starting point for the group to work on.
>
> Authors, please resubmit this document as a working group document with
> the name draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-00.
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> Yoav
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> On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:23, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:
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> The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-
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br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Yoav Nir <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ynir.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>ynir.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Thanks t=
o all who participated.<div><br></div><div>We believe that there is rough c=
onsensus to adopt this document as a starting point for the group to work o=
n.</div><div><br></div><div>Authors, please resubmit this document as a wor=
king group document with the name draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-<wbr>facing-int=
erface-dm-00.</div><div><br></div><div>Yoav</div><div>(on behalf of the WG =
chairs)</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=3D=
"h5"><div>On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:23, Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda=
.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt; wrote=
:</div><br class=3D"m_1141659203906227496Apple-interchange-newline"></div><=
/div><div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"m_1141659203906227496WordSec=
tion1" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font=
-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:st=
art;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px=
"><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt=
;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><=
div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,san=
s-serif">The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model<spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><u=
></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11=
pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-inter=
face-dm-04" style=3D"color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" targe=
t=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-<w=
br>facing-interface-dm-04</a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margi=
n:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></div><div style=3D"=
margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Have=
 requested working group adoption of this draft.=C2=A0<span class=3D"m_1141=
659203906227496Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></div><div=
 style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-s=
erif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-=
size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Please bear in mind that WG Adopt=
ion doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adopti=
on only means that it is a good basis for a working group to work on.<u></u=
><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in =
0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">While all feedb=
ack is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are much more helpful=
 than just &quot;yes please&quot; or &quot;no thank you&quot;.<u></u><u></u=
></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Cal=
ibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0=
001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Thank you.<span class=
=3D"m_1141659203906227496Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u>=
</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Cali=
bri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.00=
01pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Linda &amp; Yoav<u></u>=
<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-fami=
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 Hi Yoav,
We authors will address the comments on the new WG document
on NSF-Facing Interface Data Model and submit it before the I-D due.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul


On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks to all who participated.
>
> We believe that there is rough consensus to adopt this document as a
> starting point for the group to work on.
>
> Authors, please resubmit this document as a working group document with
> the name draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm-00.
>
> Yoav
> (on behalf of the WG chairs)
>
>
> On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:21, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:
>
>
> The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG Dat=
a
> Model
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-
> interface-data-model-04
>
> Have requested working group adoption of this draft.
>
> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft =
current
> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a
> working group to work on.
>
> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are
> much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you".
>
> Thank you.
>
> Linda & Yoav
>
> _______________________________________________
> I2nsf mailing list
> I2nsf@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf
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<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:s=
mall;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:norm=
al;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;t=
ext-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb=
(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;f=
loat:none;display:inline">Hi Yoav,</span><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);=
font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant=
-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norm=
al;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:ini=
tial">We authors will address the comments on the new WG document</div><div=
 style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;=
font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;fo=
nt-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-t=
ransform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:ini=
tial;text-decoration-color:initial">on NSF-Facing Interface Data Model and =
submit it before the I-D due.</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-f=
amily:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligat=
ures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;=
text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;wor=
d-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">=
<br></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-=
caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-ind=
ent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decora=
tion-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Thanks.</div><div style=
=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-s=
tyle:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-wei=
ght:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transfo=
rm:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;t=
ext-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);f=
ont-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-=
ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:init=
ial">Best Regards,</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial=
,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal=
;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:=
start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0=
px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Paul</div>

<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri,=
 Feb 16, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Yoav Nir <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
ynir.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ynir.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;=
line-break:after-white-space">Thanks to all who participated.<div><br></div=
><div>We believe that there is rough consensus to adopt this document as a =
starting point for the group to work on.</div><div><br></div><div>Authors, =
please resubmit this document as a working group document with the name dra=
ft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-<wbr>interface-dm-00.</div><div><br></div><div>Yoa=
v</div><div>(on behalf of the WG chairs)</div><div><br></div><div><br><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div>On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:21, L=
inda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank=
">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_-7420835425122=
130317Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div><div><div class=3D"h5"><d=
iv class=3D"m_-7420835425122130317WordSection1" style=3D"font-family:Helvet=
ica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:n=
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001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibr=
i,sans-serif">The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interf=
ace YANG Data Model<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times Ne=
w Roman&quot;,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0i=
n 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><a href=3D"http=
s://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-04"=
 style=3D"color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank=
"><span style=3D"color:blue">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-kim-i2n=
sf-nsf-facing-<wbr>interface-data-model-04</span></a><u></u><u></u></span><=
/div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calib=
ri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.000=
1pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Have requested working g=
roup adoption of this draft.=C2=A0<span class=3D"m_-7420835425122130317Appl=
e-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0i=
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ly:Calibri,sans-serif">Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t=
 mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that =
it is a good basis for a working group to work on.<u></u><u></u></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-se=
rif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-s=
ize:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">While all feedback is helpful, com=
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s please&quot; or &quot;no thank you&quot;.<u></u><u></u></div><div style=
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Thanks.

Yoav

(and this goes for the other thread too)

> On 20 Feb 2018, at 3:42, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong =
<jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Yoav,
> We authors will address the comments on the new WG document
> on NSF-Facing Interface Data Model and submit it before the I-D due.
>=20
> Thanks.
>=20
> Best Regards,
> Paul
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com =
<mailto:ynir.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Thanks to all who participated.
>=20
> We believe that there is rough consensus to adopt this document as a =
starting point for the group to work on.
>=20
> Authors, please resubmit this document as a working group document =
with the name draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm-00.
>=20
> Yoav
> (on behalf of the WG chairs)
>=20
>=20
>> On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:21, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com =
<mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com>> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG =
Data Model
>> =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-mode=
l-04 =
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-mod=
el-04>
>>=20
>> Have requested working group adoption of this draft.
>>=20
>> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the =
draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good =
basis for a working group to work on.
>>=20
>> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations =
are much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you".
>>=20
>> Thank you.
>>=20
>> Linda & Yoav
>>=20
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> Assistant Professor
> Department of Software
> Sungkyunkwan University
> Office: +82-31-299-4957
> Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com <mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>, =
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class=3D"">Thanks.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Yoav</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">(and this goes for the other thread too)<br class=3D""><div><br=
 class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 20 =
Feb 2018, at 3:42, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">jaehoon.paul@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">

<span =
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;=
font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text=
-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;fl=
oat:none;display:inline" class=3D"">Hi Yoav,</span><div =
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;=
font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text=
-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:=
initial;text-decoration-color:initial" class=3D"">We authors will =
address the comments on the new WG document</div><div =
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;=
font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text=
-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:=
initial;text-decoration-color:initial" class=3D"">on NSF-Facing =
Interface Data Model and submit it before the I-D due.</div><div =
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;=
font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text=
-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:=
initial;text-decoration-color:initial" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;=
font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text=
-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:=
initial;text-decoration-color:initial" class=3D"">Thanks.</div><div =
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;=
font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text=
-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:=
initial;text-decoration-color:initial" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;=
font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text=
-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:=
initial;text-decoration-color:initial" class=3D"">Best =
Regards,</div><div =
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;=
font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text=
-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:=
initial;text-decoration-color:initial" class=3D"">Paul</div>

<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Yoav Nir <span =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ynir.ietf@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">ynir.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" =
class=3D"">Thanks to all who participated.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We believe that there is rough =
consensus to adopt this document as a starting point for the group to =
work on.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Authors, please resubmit this document as a working group =
document with the name draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-<wbr =
class=3D"">interface-dm-00.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
 class=3D"">Yoav</div><div class=3D"">(on behalf of the WG =
chairs)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"">On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:21, Linda Dunbar =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_-7420835425122130317Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div=
 class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5"><div =
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style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;t=
ext-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><d=
iv style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in =
0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=3D"">The=
 authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG Data =
Model<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif" =
class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-d=
ata-model-04" style=3D"color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D""><span style=3D"color:blue" =
class=3D"">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr =
class=3D"">draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-<wbr =
class=3D"">interface-data-model-04</span></a><u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
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0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
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draft.&nbsp;<span =
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class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
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0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D"">Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean =
that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it =
is a good basis for a working group to work on.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in =
0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D"">While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with =
explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank =
you".<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in =
0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
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class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 8329

        Title:      Framework for Interface to Network 
                    Security Functions 
        Author:     D. Lopez,
                    E. Lopez,
                    L. Dunbar,
                    J. Strassner,
                    R. Kumar
        Status:     Informational
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       February 2018
        Mailbox:    diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com, 
                    ed@curveballnetworks.com, 
                    Linda.dunbar@huawei.com, 
                    john.sc.strassner@huawei.com, 
                    rakeshkumarcloud@gmail.com
        Pages:      25
        Characters: 56930
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-i2nsf-framework-10.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8329

        DOI:        10.17487/RFC8329

This document describes the framework for Interface to Network
Security Functions (I2NSF) and defines a reference model (including
major functional components) for I2NSF.  Network Security Functions
(NSFs) are packet-processing engines that inspect and optionally
modify packets traversing networks, either directly or in the context
of sessions to which the packet is associated.

This document is a product of the Interface to Network Security Functions Working Group of the IETF.


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Dear Linda Dunbar,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
Below is the scheduled session information followed by
the original request. 

i2nsf Session 1 (2:00:00)
    Wednesday, Morning Session I 0930-1200
    Room Name: Palace C size: 50
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Request Information:


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Working Group Name: Interface to Network Security Functions
Area Name: Security Area
Session Requester: Linda Dunbar

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  2 Hours
Number of Attendees: 60
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 First Priority: i2rs idr trill rtgarea l2sm netconf ipsecme dots sacm saag nfvrg
 Second Priority: sfc rtgwg mile netmod nvo3



People who must be present:
  Kathleen Moriarty
  Yoav Nir
  Linda Dunbar

Resources Requested:

Special Requests:
  
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