From nobody Tue Apr 12 16:18:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ibnemo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ibnemo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DF112D8C2 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:18:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PlQqp4LT_1vP for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EE4712DB1B for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fr712umx3.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.210.42]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 7D0F6BFB7F1D4 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:18:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.122]) by fr712umx3.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO-o) with ESMTP id u3CNIZm5022592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:18:35 GMT Received: from FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.111]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u3CNIYZq015612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:18:34 +0200 Received: from [135.224.195.23] (135.239.27.38) by FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.111) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:18:34 +0200 References: <570D7D51.5030800@alcatel-lucent.com> To: "ibnemo@ietf.org" From: Laurent Ciavaglia Organization: Bell Labs X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <570D7D51.5030800@alcatel-lucent.com> Message-ID: <570D8249.8030109@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:18:33 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <570D7D51.5030800@alcatel-lucent.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080506080601050703050906" X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.38] Archived-At: Subject: [Ibnemo] Fwd: Cross-RG activity coordination on Intent Based Networking (IBN) X-BeenThere: ibnemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of Nemo, an intent-based North Bound \(NB\) interface consisting of an application protocol running over HTTP \(RESTful interfaces\) to exchange intent-based primitives between applications and meta-controllers controlling virtual network resources \(networks, storage, CPU\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:18:41 -0000 --------------080506080601050703050906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, This initiative might be of interest to the IBNEMO participants. Thanks, best regards, Laurent. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Cross-RG activity coordination on Intent Based Networking (IBN) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:57:21 +0200 From: Laurent Ciavaglia Organization: Bell Labs To: nmrg@irtf.org CC: Kohei Shiomoto , King, Daniel , Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville , Laurent Ciavaglia Dear NMRG, Intent Based Networking aspires at rising network manageability to a higher level. As such, the various forms of IBN continue to be a compelling area of research and technology development. Yet, the IBN term may convey different meanings and refer to different concepts or approaches, e.g. as in ANIMA WG, SUPA (BoF), IBNEMO, or SDN RG... Thus, we believe some coordination among RG/WG can deliver additional value to the community. Jointly with the SDN RG, we would like to impulse an activity on IBN to discuss the objectives, scope and kick start this effort. The items listed below can help to get things started: -What are the definitions of Intent/IBN? e.g. in SUPA, ANIMA, SDN, NFV, IoT spaces... -What are the alignment/commonalities and differences among them, and the implications from technology, standard and business perspectives? -What are the functionality / components of an intent based system? -Is an end-to-end, comprehensive intent based system feasible? Does it make sense? -How can different techno-specific / heterogeneous sources of intent (definitions / blocks) inter-operate, in intra- and inter-domains? -What are the (key) areas of research? languages, semantics/ontologies, human factors/HNI, model-driven-development, policy refinement... -What are examples of application: e.g. technology specific or generic: e.g. in NFV, SDN, autonomics, IoT... -What relationships/consistency among those applications? i.e. towards a comprehensive view of a "Generalized IBN" -List of representative use cases of IBN. -Practical experiences, developments, tools on IBN. The network management community has extensive knowledge and expertise in the area (think policy based management) that can prove very useful in the foreseen investigations. Network management is also transverse to technologies (e.g. SDN, NFV, autonomics...), providing a different perspective to the problem at hand. --- The first outcome of this activity will be discussed in the joint meeting between SDN, NFV and NM research groups to be held at IETF96/Berlin (TBC). This topic is part of the NMRG meeting at NOMS 2016 (http://noms2016.ieee-noms.org, 25-29 April 2016, Istanbul). Other events are in the pipe, so stay tuned! Best regards, Lisandro and Laurent (NMRG chairs), together with Kohei and Dan (SDN RG chairs). --- -- Laurent Ciavaglia Senior Research Manager Bell Labs, Nokia +33 160 402 636 Route de Villejust | 91620 Nozay | France LinkedIn: laurentciavaglia --------------080506080601050703050906 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear all,

This initiative might be of interest to the IBNEMO participants.

Thanks, best regards, Laurent.


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Subject: Cross-RG activity coordination on Intent Based Networking (IBN)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:57:21 +0200
From: Laurent Ciavaglia <Laurent.Ciavaglia@alcatel-lucent.com>
Organization: Bell Labs
To: nmrg@irtf.org <nmrg@irtf.org>
CC: Kohei Shiomoto <shiomoto.kohei@lab.ntt.co.jp>, King, Daniel <d.king@lancaster.ac.uk>, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville <granville@inf.ufrgs.br>, Laurent Ciavaglia <Laurent.Ciavaglia@nokia.com>


Dear NMRG,

Intent Based Networking aspires at rising network manageability to a higher level.
As such, the various forms of IBN continue to be a compelling area of research and technology development.
Yet, the IBN term may convey different meanings and refer to different concepts or approaches, e.g. as in ANIMA WG, SUPA (BoF), IBNEMO, or SDN RG...
Thus, we believe some coordination among RG/WG can deliver additional value to the community.
Jointly with the SDN RG, we would like to impulse an activity on IBN to discuss the objectives, scope and kick start this effort.

The items listed below can help to get things started:
    -What are the definitions of Intent/IBN? e.g. in SUPA, ANIMA, SDN, NFV, IoT spaces...
    -What are the alignment/commonalities and differences among them, and the implications from technology, standard and business perspectives?
    -What are the functionality / components of an intent based system?
    -Is an end-to-end, comprehensive intent based system feasible? Does it make sense?
    -How can different techno-specific / heterogeneous sources of intent (definitions / blocks) inter-operate, in intra- and inter-domains?
    -What are the (key) areas of research? languages, semantics/ontologies, human factors/HNI, model-driven-development, policy refinement...
    -What are examples of application: e.g. technology specific or generic: e.g. in NFV, SDN, autonomics, IoT...
    -What relationships/consistency among those applications? i.e. towards a comprehensive view of a "Generalized IBN"
    -List of representative use cases of IBN.
    -Practical experiences, developments, tools on IBN.

The network management community has extensive knowledge and expertise in the area (think policy based management) that can prove very useful in the foreseen investigations.
Network management is also transverse to technologies (e.g. SDN, NFV, autonomics...), providing a different perspective to the problem at hand.

---
The first outcome of this activity will be discussed in the joint meeting between SDN, NFV and NM research groups to be held at IETF96/Berlin (TBC).

This topic is part of the NMRG meeting at NOMS 2016 (http://noms2016.ieee-noms.org, 25-29 April 2016, Istanbul).

Other events are in the pipe, so stay tuned!


Best regards,
Lisandro and Laurent (NMRG chairs), together with Kohei and Dan (SDN RG chairs).
---


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Laurent Ciavaglia

Senior Research Manager

Bell Labs, Nokia

 

+33 160 402 636

Route de Villejust | 91620 Nozay | France

LinkedIn: laurentciavaglia

 



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