From nobody Mon Feb 4 10:43:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35859130EE6 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:43:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=coinbase.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dcfjhgnuz_e3 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf1-x434.google.com (mail-pf1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::434]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 286C8130EE2 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf1-x434.google.com with SMTP id i12so318446pfo.7 for ; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 10:43:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=coinbase.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9MXFpg8PRZ0JG2kVd/pPwlobiK8Xbu0Bu9GZY2FKUxI=; b=QwC72QozVI27TI3HfKfoO/XI5wNABjdR5reR9OsEuvcJqQAixD9XzCwqJBwL2BcoY3 NI0Z+FmDZ3bNvS0XNZ4Ekx0Dlf9jRYNUysMm8HbicGy4jyjGE6UKoquD6FAlJEXaDzHR CUy+o1c8+aEY5U2ha2GRRhOz7Lwkq8ir/Ip2E= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9MXFpg8PRZ0JG2kVd/pPwlobiK8Xbu0Bu9GZY2FKUxI=; b=n4aYz4HGF5BAIrl0vkC5gt/Z0sGPXgxbUnaaltnL0eCE0nI7Z4GOcyvwdI3JLJFq6T sxfpzE/u+ZKANYj4l5Vyl0ij5OIKD0YwmSlwXzcvJtWKB9fELiV/Ka0fZToKFRTAB4+V 7YGrwWmV4GuBHvuvX2wXI/m39VsH38MBhQXdHvJMWpiBFpJLk5BjmWfe+f0GK5bLuu9B K+8o+AvPOz8NT6Z06nQiGCPkZF+OKHDWxgDRzKYRU4E6XyXLBNHIAe6hLmYCcv/R8E05 bIeswT+FWilR2pK4xN/5RZy5pi7/pK2mIQxfSG8nZP/81MOlZOPe1TTWCMLnrvPpRsH8 Gwhw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAubM2Ib0vW8Xzi/2Y4EqrkjJlXUF/zQVjrLD2h1fHQg5yS/+W3Eg uG/AePU7/+ZKrHvjoYyRsO3oQMJFMhszkuBozadYlA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IbSInoX33qi6e7GeY+jyKC2Y46Dr6I2f12588qKLG8DHnCgpWyxYBHwEZRit7feVFf7nSZBTv44PhKEhNpP+00= X-Received: by 2002:a63:8149:: with SMTP id t70mr751871pgd.172.1549305782368; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 10:43:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4C82F80F-74ED-4EA0-AE47-0A4D8DB40A43@amazon.com> <933153f4-e3a2-73ba-3165-6f1ebd28f4d7@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <933153f4-e3a2-73ba-3165-6f1ebd28f4d7@gmail.com> From: Marius Scurtescu Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:42:51 -0800 Message-ID: To: Yaron Sheffer Cc: "Richard Backman, Annabelle" , Dick Hardt , SecEvent , Anthony Nadalin , Mike Jones , Marius Scurtescu , "Morteza Ansari (moransar)" , Phil Hunt Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ceae62058115dc53" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push Delivery: working group last call X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 18:43:06 -0000 --000000000000ceae62058115dc53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support the publication of this document, with the changes suggested by Yaron Shefer and Annabelle Richard Backman. On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:04 PM Yaron Sheffer wrote= : > Thanks for the quick response! A few comments inline. > > On 25/01/2019 22:18, Richard Backman, Annabelle wrote: > > Thanks for the feedback! Responses inline. > > > > -- > > > > Annabelle Richard Backman > > > > AWS Identity > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 1/25/19, 9:59 AM, "Id-event on behalf of Yaron Sheffer" > > wrote: > > > > The document looks good. Here's a bunch o' comments. > > > > * Intro: receipt->recipient > > > > [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna] > > > > * "The transmitter and recipient are known to one another." But > > then we > > > > require the *issuer* to be authenticated by the Recipient. We need > to > > > > clarify the relationship between Issuer (defined in the base spec) > and > > > > Transmitter. BTW, Issuer should be capitalized. > > > > [richanna] > > > > The intent of that sentence is to indicate that the spec assumes the > > Transmitter already knows who it needs to transmit the SET to, and the > > Recipient knows who it expects to receive SETs from, and that discovery > > of either is out of scope. > > > > You=E2=80=99re absolutely right. Section 2 is missing a validation step= : =E2=80=9CThe > > SET Recipient is willing to accept the SET, when transmitted by the SET > > Transmitter.=E2=80=9D Also, we can add text to the definition of SET Tr= ansmitter > > to clarify that it need not be the Issuer of the SET. > > > > [/richanna] > > > > * "a decryption failure that may be due to misconfigured keys" - > > this is > > > > a strange reason for retransmission, because it would normally > > require a > > > > very slow manual operation, which could easily overwhelm the > > Transmitter. > > > > [richanna] > > > > I had in mind issues or delays with key propagation after a rotation, > > premature rejection of an outgoing key due to clock skew, intermittent > > failure when retrieving a Transmitter=E2=80=99s public key, etc. These = are > > issues that may (depending on root cause) work themselves out after a > > few minutes, though I suppose they are not properly =E2=80=9Cmisconfigu= red > > keys.=E2=80=9D This example is probably just muddying the waters withou= t > > contributing much to the text. > > > > [/richanna] > > > > * "Transmitting a SET": if the normal response has an empty body, > > why do > > > > we send "Accept: application/json"? The Accept header is not > > mandatory, > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-5.3.2 > > > > [richanna] > > > > Error responses will contain a JSON-formatted body, which the > > Transmitter MUST be prepared to accept. > > > > [/richanna] > > YS: I still think the Accept header is redundant (in particular because > if you cannot understand JSON, you cannot use this protocol at all), but > I can live with it. > > > > > * "Failure Response": why is responding with the right HTTP status > > code > > > > a MAY? What else do we expect them to do? > > > > [richanna] > > > > As I understand it, HTTP Servers have some discretion with regards to > > which status codes they respond with in certain situations. The =E2=80= =9Cright > > HTTP status code=E2=80=9D can be subjective, and may change over time a= s new > > status codes are defined for specific cases. SET Transmitters need to b= e > > prepared to receive standard HTTP status codes, but I don=E2=80=99t see= a reason > > to impose more requirements on the SET Recipient in this area than HTTP > > itself does. > > > > [/richanna] > > > > YS: I agree with everything you say, but still, this would be more > correct: "the SET Recipient SHOULD respond with an appropriate HTTP > Status Code", even if the "appropriate" code is very fuzzy. Or else, > let's remove the RFC 2119 word: "the Recipient responds". > > > * "the SET Transmitter is not permitted to transmit SETs issued by > the > > > > issuer specified in the SET" - I suggest to change the text to > > indicate > > > > this is from the point of view of the Recipient: "the Recipient is > not > > > > willing to accept SETs issued by the specified issuer from this > > > > particular SET Transmitter". > > > > [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna] > > > > * Error codes: what if the Recipient expects the SET to be protect= ed > > > > (e.g. signed) but it is not? Is this "authentication_failed"? > > > > [richanna] > > > > SET signatures authenticate the Issuer, not the Transmitter, so > > `authentication_failed` would be inappropriate. The Recipient should > > return `access_denied` as it is unwilling to accept this SET from this > > Transmitter. Now I=E2=80=99m actually wondering if there is a differenc= e between > > `invalid_request` and `access_denied` that is meaningful at runtime. > > I=E2=80=99ll start a thread on this. > > > > [/richanna] > > > > * "MUST support TLS 1.2" - we should allow for a future where TLS > > > > 1.3-only is acceptable. So, "MUST support TLS 1.2 or later". > > > > [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna] > > > > * IANA: the Expert Review policy requires a designated expert, > > > > obviously. Since this is the only SecEvent registry that needs it = so > > > > far, I'd rather go for the simpler FCFS policy. > > > > [richanna] > > > > =F0=9F=91=8D, though I think we should add text to the effect of =E2=80= =9CError Codes are > > intended to be interpreted by automated systems, and therefore SHOULD > > identify classes of errors in response to which an automated system > > could take some distinct action.=E2=80=9D > > > > [/richanna] > > YS: guidance is always good. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yaron > > > > On 24/01/2019 20:11, Dick Hardt wrote: > > > > > Dear SecEvent participants, > > > > > > > > > > This is to start a 2-week working group last call > > > > > on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 > > > > > > > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ > > > > > > > > > > until Feb 8, 2019. > > > > > > > > > > Please send any comments to the list. In addition, if you have n= o > > > > > comments but support publication of this document as-is, please > > > > > make your voice heard. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Dick and Yaron > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Id-event mailing list > > > > Id-event@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > > > > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > --000000000000ceae62058115dc53 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I support the publication of this documen= t, with the changes suggested by Yaron Shefer and Annabelle Richard Backman= .

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:04 PM Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the quick response! = A few comments inline.

On 25/01/2019 22:18, Richard Backman, Annabelle wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback! Responses inline.
>
> --
>
> Annabelle Richard Backman
>
> AWS Identity
>
> =EF=BB=BFOn 1/25/19, 9:59 AM, "Id-event on behalf of Yaron Sheffe= r"
> <id-= event-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The document looks good. Here's a bunch o= ' comments.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0* Intro: receipt->recipient
>
> [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna]
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * "The transmitter and recipient are kno= wn to one another." But
> then we
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0require the *issuer* to be authenticated= by the Recipient. We need to
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0clarify the relationship between Issuer = (defined in the base spec) and
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Transmitter. BTW, Issuer should be capit= alized.
>
> [richanna]
>
> The intent of that sentence is to indicate that the spec assumes the <= br> > Transmitter already knows who it needs to transmit the SET to, and the=
> Recipient knows who it expects to receive SETs from, and that discover= y
> of either is out of scope.
>
> You=E2=80=99re absolutely right. Section 2 is missing a validation ste= p: =E2=80=9CThe
> SET Recipient is willing to accept the SET, when transmitted by the SE= T
> Transmitter.=E2=80=9D Also, we can add text to the definition of SET T= ransmitter
> to clarify that it need not be the Issuer of the SET.
>
> [/richanna]
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * "a decryption failure that may be due = to misconfigured keys" -
> this is
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0a strange reason for retransmission, bec= ause it would normally
> require a
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0very slow manual operation, which could = easily overwhelm the
> Transmitter.
>
> [richanna]
>
> I had in mind issues or delays with key propagation after a rotation, =
> premature rejection of an outgoing key due to clock skew, intermittent=
> failure when retrieving a Transmitter=E2=80=99s public key, etc. These= are
> issues that may (depending on root cause) work themselves out after a =
> few minutes, though I suppose they are not properly =E2=80=9Cmisconfig= ured
> keys.=E2=80=9D This example is probably just muddying the waters witho= ut
> contributing much to the text.
>
> [/richanna]
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * "Transmitting a SET": if the norm= al response has an empty body,
> why do
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0we send "Accept: application/json&q= uot;? The Accept header is not
> mandatory,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/rfc7231#section-5.3.2
>
> [richanna]
>
> Error responses will contain a JSON-formatted body, which the
> Transmitter MUST be prepared to accept.
>
> [/richanna]

YS: I still think the Accept header is redundant (in particular because if you cannot understand JSON, you cannot use this protocol at all), but I can live with it.

>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0* "Failure Response": why is r= esponding with the right HTTP status
> code
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0a MAY? What else do we expect them to do= ?
>
> [richanna]
>
> As I understand it, HTTP Servers have some discretion with regards to =
> which status codes they respond with in certain situations. The =E2=80= =9Cright
> HTTP status code=E2=80=9D can be subjective, and may change over time = as new
> status codes are defined for specific cases. SET Transmitters need to = be
> prepared to receive standard HTTP status codes, but I don=E2=80=99t se= e a reason
> to impose more requirements on the SET Recipient in this area than HTT= P
> itself does.
>
> [/richanna]
>

YS: I agree with everything you say, but still, this would be more
correct: "the SET Recipient SHOULD respond with an appropriate HTTP Status Code", even if the "appropriate" code is very fuzzy. = Or else,
let's remove the RFC 2119 word: "the Recipient responds".

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * "the SET Transmitter is not permitted = to transmit SETs issued by the
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0issuer specified in the SET" - I su= ggest to change the text to
> indicate
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0this is from the point of view of the Re= cipient: "the Recipient is not
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0willing to accept SETs issued by the spe= cified issuer from this
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0particular SET Transmitter".
>
> [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna]
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * Error codes: what if the Recipient expects = the SET to be protected
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0(e.g. signed) but it is not? Is this &qu= ot;authentication_failed"?
>
> [richanna]
>
> SET signatures authenticate the Issuer, not the Transmitter, so
> `authentication_failed` would be inappropriate. The Recipient should <= br> > return `access_denied` as it is unwilling to accept this SET from this=
> Transmitter. Now I=E2=80=99m actually wondering if there is a differen= ce between
> `invalid_request` and `access_denied` that is meaningful at runtime. <= br> > I=E2=80=99ll start a thread on this.
>
> [/richanna]
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * "MUST support TLS 1.2" - we shoul= d allow for a future where TLS
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01.3-only is acceptable. So, "MUST s= upport TLS 1.2 or later".
>
> [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna]
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * IANA: the Expert Review policy requires a d= esignated expert,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0obviously. Since this is the only SecEve= nt registry that needs it so
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0far, I'd rather go for the simpler F= CFS policy.
>
> [richanna]
>
> =F0=9F=91=8D, though I think we should add text to the effect of =E2= =80=9CError Codes are
> intended to be interpreted by automated systems, and therefore SHOULD =
> identify classes of errors in response to which an automated system > could take some distinct action.=E2=80=9D
>
> [/richanna]

YS: guidance is always good.

>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Thanks,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yaron
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0On 24/01/2019 20:11, Dick Hardt wrote: >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > Dear SecEvent participants,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> This is to start a 2-week working g= roup last call
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04=
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> until Feb 8, 2019.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> Please send any comments to the lis= t. In addition, if you have no
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> comments but support publication of= this document as-is, please
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> make your voice heard.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> Thanks,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= Dick and Yaron
>
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>
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--000000000000ceae62058115dc53-- From nobody Mon Feb 4 12:01:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6532130F05 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 12:01:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.864 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.864 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=1.989, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=oracle.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6HdKYw3U82OY for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 12:01:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com (aserp2130.oracle.com [141.146.126.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5F0A130F17 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 12:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x14JsmsE146947; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 20:00:59 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=from : message-id : content-type : mime-version : subject : date : in-reply-to : cc : to : references; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=H4sNvwU3kHQ+VprZV7u/Kgl416Mm7RG3NeT/zJSQOo4=; b=e0op0jOluy1ehQBrG9IbIAyvSSHjxWLD27uIS//3fFn8oFKWfh5poCqSqmA9c4+ygCih N7CNn1OLb9XlDO2Hv2i0L4TVgRSXqpYEh5kcvmCA/lXJjtmW0jxwgOZkA6JMk+PBqV6y TpB4PWTdmx4i/fQUNfZ34vXlx7JebYCYFLBtKh4Hal9WFHphveTR17L+vF+jPCEDK6fd kfoA/6GXGU0TUWEHPNT79FlTcOYSCzwbhL6pXclAC4iZSRk/cSAirzOisTP1NL7uBJLG q0d58mGLYAqP6Qojc2RWYaHVs5m17ZWHkilJDfHgDqNLcY0rmWPvFuvJCsz6wiAqEDFU Vg== Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2qd97eqafk-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 04 Feb 2019 20:00:57 +0000 Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x14K0utg010106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Feb 2019 20:00:56 GMT Received: from abhmp0017.oracle.com (abhmp0017.oracle.com [141.146.116.23]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x14K0tpC013785; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 20:00:55 GMT Received: from [192.168.1.39] (/70.70.142.148) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 20:00:54 +0000 From: Phil Hunt Message-Id: <5F8B221F-176E-473E-BBA8-D57FC03CF7BA@oracle.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2738BA7D-AC68-4E8B-8D58-63E37944E7DB" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 12:00:43 -0800 In-Reply-To: Cc: Yaron Sheffer , "Richard Backman, Annabelle" , Dick Hardt , SecEvent , Tony Nadalin , Mike Jones , Marius Scurtescu , Morteza Ansari To: Marius Scurtescu References: <4C82F80F-74ED-4EA0-AE47-0A4D8DB40A43@amazon.com> <933153f4-e3a2-73ba-3165-6f1ebd28f4d7@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9157 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1902040152 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push Delivery: working group last call X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 20:01:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2738BA7D-AC68-4E8B-8D58-63E37944E7DB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Looking at the error codes, a couple of concerns: | authentication_failed | The SET Recipient could not authenticate | | | the SET Transmitter from the contents of | | | the request. | | access_denied | The SET Transmitter is not authorized to | | | transmit the provided SET to the SET | | | Recipient. =20 These are also HTTP Level errors. I would suggest putting in stronger = language indicating that these errors are based on authentication and = authorization semantics derived from processing the SET. You should also indicate that a receive may also issue similar error = messages at the HTTP level based on the authorization header. For invalid request, again, this can be at the HTTP level and within SET | invalid_request | The request body cannot be parsed as a | | | SET, or the event payload within the SET | | | does not conform to the event's | | | definition. | How does the receiver know whether something like an improper parameter = is the issue or whether it is a SET event rejection issue? I believe Section 4 does not strike the correct balance. Many scenarios = that have been discussed seem asymmetric and there is a strong = likelihood of a receiver being overwhelmed. * Identity Provider dominant: Major IDP issuing events to smaller = relying party web sites. * Web site dominant: Major web sites overwhelming small IDPs (e.g. = corporate based IDPs) with events. =20 Event streaming has been maturing. A more nuanced view from the Kafka = documentation may be useful for the WG to consider = (http://kafka.apache.org/documentation.html#design_pull ): > [=E2=80=A6]There are pros and cons to both [push and pull] approaches. = However, a push-based system has difficulty dealing with diverse = consumers as the broker controls the rate at which data is transferred. = The goal is generally for the consumer to be able to consume at the = maximum possible rate; unfortunately, in a push system this means the = consumer tends to be overwhelmed when its rate of consumption falls = below the rate of production (a denial of service attack, in essence). A = pull-based system has the nicer property that the consumer simply falls = behind and catches up when it can. This can be mitigated with some kind = of backoff protocol by which the consumer can indicate it is = overwhelmed, but getting the rate of transfer to fully utilize (but = never over-utilize) the consumer is trickier than it seems. Previous = attempts at building systems in this fashion led us to go with a more = traditional pull model. > Another advantage of a pull-based system is that it lends itself to = aggressive batching of data sent to the consumer. A push-based system = must choose to either send a request immediately or accumulate more data = and then send it later without knowledge of whether the downstream = consumer will be able to immediately process it. If tuned for low = latency, this will result in sending a single message at a time only for = the transfer to end up being buffered anyway, which is wasteful. A = pull-based design fixes this as the consumer always pulls all available = messages after its current position in the log (or up to some = configurable max size). So one gets optimal batching without introducing = unnecessary latency. > The deficiency of a naive pull-based system is that if the broker has = no data the consumer may end up polling in a tight loop, effectively = busy-waiting for data to arrive. To avoid this we have parameters in our = pull request that allow the consumer request to block in a "long poll" = waiting until data arrives (and optionally waiting until a given number = of bytes is available to ensure large transfer sizes). >=20 My concerns about pursuing HTTP-Push without pull remain unresolved. My long-term preference is a single protocol with the following = capabilities: * ability to deliver multiple events in a single message body * clear ability to do re-delivery at the transmitters discretion (e.g. = overwhelmed or unavailable partner). The current spec seems to waffle = here. * ability to support some amount of recovery where network/security = relationships warrant the cost * a bi-directional delivery that can be deployed as POST or GET = initiated. This in part because it reduces the number of security = credentials and complications needed to maintain multiple streams in = opposite directions over many different security and network = relationships. * ability to support a diverse number of client relationships = (asymmetric and symmetric in subject population or event frequency) * strong confirmation of message transfer via acknowledgment (e.g. to = enable publisher to drop events from its recovery buffers) Phil > On Feb 4, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Marius Scurtescu = wrote: >=20 > I support the publication of this document, with the changes suggested = by Yaron Shefer and Annabelle Richard Backman. >=20 > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:04 PM Yaron Sheffer > wrote: > Thanks for the quick response! A few comments inline. >=20 > On 25/01/2019 22:18, Richard Backman, Annabelle wrote: > > Thanks for the feedback! Responses inline. > >=20 > > --=20 > >=20 > > Annabelle Richard Backman > >=20 > > AWS Identity > >=20 > > =EF=BB=BFOn 1/25/19, 9:59 AM, "Id-event on behalf of Yaron Sheffer"=20= > > on = behalf of yaronf.ietf@gmail.com > wrote: > >=20 > > The document looks good. Here's a bunch o' comments. > >=20 > > * Intro: receipt->recipient > >=20 > > [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna] > >=20 > > * "The transmitter and recipient are known to one another." But=20= > > then we > >=20 > > require the *issuer* to be authenticated by the Recipient. We = need to > >=20 > > clarify the relationship between Issuer (defined in the base = spec) and > >=20 > > Transmitter. BTW, Issuer should be capitalized. > >=20 > > [richanna] > >=20 > > The intent of that sentence is to indicate that the spec assumes the=20= > > Transmitter already knows who it needs to transmit the SET to, and = the=20 > > Recipient knows who it expects to receive SETs from, and that = discovery=20 > > of either is out of scope. > >=20 > > You=E2=80=99re absolutely right. Section 2 is missing a validation = step: =E2=80=9CThe=20 > > SET Recipient is willing to accept the SET, when transmitted by the = SET=20 > > Transmitter.=E2=80=9D Also, we can add text to the definition of SET = Transmitter=20 > > to clarify that it need not be the Issuer of the SET. > >=20 > > [/richanna] > >=20 > > * "a decryption failure that may be due to misconfigured keys" = -=20 > > this is > >=20 > > a strange reason for retransmission, because it would normally=20= > > require a > >=20 > > very slow manual operation, which could easily overwhelm the=20 > > Transmitter. > >=20 > > [richanna] > >=20 > > I had in mind issues or delays with key propagation after a = rotation,=20 > > premature rejection of an outgoing key due to clock skew, = intermittent=20 > > failure when retrieving a Transmitter=E2=80=99s public key, etc. = These are=20 > > issues that may (depending on root cause) work themselves out after = a=20 > > few minutes, though I suppose they are not properly =E2=80=9Cmisconfig= ured=20 > > keys.=E2=80=9D This example is probably just muddying the waters = without=20 > > contributing much to the text. > >=20 > > [/richanna] > >=20 > > * "Transmitting a SET": if the normal response has an empty = body,=20 > > why do > >=20 > > we send "Accept: application/json"? The Accept header is not=20 > > mandatory, > >=20 > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-5.3.2 = > >=20 > > [richanna] > >=20 > > Error responses will contain a JSON-formatted body, which the=20 > > Transmitter MUST be prepared to accept. > >=20 > > [/richanna] >=20 > YS: I still think the Accept header is redundant (in particular = because=20 > if you cannot understand JSON, you cannot use this protocol at all), = but=20 > I can live with it. >=20 > >=20 > > * "Failure Response": why is responding with the right HTTP = status=20 > > code > >=20 > > a MAY? What else do we expect them to do? > >=20 > > [richanna] > >=20 > > As I understand it, HTTP Servers have some discretion with regards = to=20 > > which status codes they respond with in certain situations. The = =E2=80=9Cright=20 > > HTTP status code=E2=80=9D can be subjective, and may change over = time as new=20 > > status codes are defined for specific cases. SET Transmitters need = to be=20 > > prepared to receive standard HTTP status codes, but I don=E2=80=99t = see a reason=20 > > to impose more requirements on the SET Recipient in this area than = HTTP=20 > > itself does. > >=20 > > [/richanna] > >=20 >=20 > YS: I agree with everything you say, but still, this would be more=20 > correct: "the SET Recipient SHOULD respond with an appropriate HTTP=20 > Status Code", even if the "appropriate" code is very fuzzy. Or else,=20= > let's remove the RFC 2119 word: "the Recipient responds". >=20 > > * "the SET Transmitter is not permitted to transmit SETs issued = by the > >=20 > > issuer specified in the SET" - I suggest to change the text to=20= > > indicate > >=20 > > this is from the point of view of the Recipient: "the Recipient = is not > >=20 > > willing to accept SETs issued by the specified issuer from this > >=20 > > particular SET Transmitter". > >=20 > > [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna] > >=20 > > * Error codes: what if the Recipient expects the SET to be = protected > >=20 > > (e.g. signed) but it is not? Is this "authentication_failed"? > >=20 > > [richanna] > >=20 > > SET signatures authenticate the Issuer, not the Transmitter, so=20 > > `authentication_failed` would be inappropriate. The Recipient should=20= > > return `access_denied` as it is unwilling to accept this SET from = this=20 > > Transmitter. Now I=E2=80=99m actually wondering if there is a = difference between=20 > > `invalid_request` and `access_denied` that is meaningful at runtime.=20= > > I=E2=80=99ll start a thread on this. > >=20 > > [/richanna] > >=20 > > * "MUST support TLS 1.2" - we should allow for a future where = TLS > >=20 > > 1.3-only is acceptable. So, "MUST support TLS 1.2 or later". > >=20 > > [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna] > >=20 > > * IANA: the Expert Review policy requires a designated expert, > >=20 > > obviously. Since this is the only SecEvent registry that needs = it so > >=20 > > far, I'd rather go for the simpler FCFS policy. > >=20 > > [richanna] > >=20 > > =F0=9F=91=8D, though I think we should add text to the effect of = =E2=80=9CError Codes are=20 > > intended to be interpreted by automated systems, and therefore = SHOULD=20 > > identify classes of errors in response to which an automated system=20= > > could take some distinct action.=E2=80=9D > >=20 > > [/richanna] >=20 > YS: guidance is always good. >=20 > >=20 > > Thanks, > >=20 > > Yaron > >=20 > > On 24/01/2019 20:11, Dick Hardt wrote: > >=20 > > > Dear SecEvent participants, > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > This is to start a 2-week working group last call > >=20 > > > on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ = > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > until Feb 8, 2019. > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > Please send any comments to the list. 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Looking at the error codes, a couple of = concerns:

   | authentication_failed =
| The SET Recipient could not authenticate  |
   |                       | the SET Transmitter from the contents of  |
   |                       | the request.                              |
   | access_denied         | The SET Transmitter is not authorized to  |
   |                       | transmit the provided SET to the SET      |
   |                       | Recipient.

These are also HTTP = Level errors. I would suggest putting in stronger language indicating = that these errors are based on authentication and authorization = semantics derived from processing the SET.

You should also indicate that a receive = may also issue similar error messages at the HTTP level based on the = authorization header.

For invalid request, again, this can be at = the HTTP level and within SET
   | invalid_request       | =
The request body cannot be parsed as a    |
   |                       | SET, or the event payload within the SET  |
   |                       | does not conform to the event's           |
   |                       | definition.                               =
|

How = does the receiver know whether something like an improper parameter is = the issue or whether it is a SET event rejection issue?

I believe Section 4 does = not strike the correct balance. Many scenarios that have been discussed = seem asymmetric and there is a strong likelihood of a receiver being = overwhelmed.

* = Identity Provider dominant: Major IDP issuing events to smaller relying = party web sites.
* Web site dominant: Major web sites = overwhelming small IDPs (e.g. corporate based IDPs) with events.
  
Event streaming has been maturing. = A more nuanced view from the Kafka documentation may be useful for the = WG to consider (http://kafka.apache.org/documentation.html#design_pull = ;):
[=E2=80=A6]There = are pros and cons to both [push and pull] approaches. However, a = push-based system has difficulty dealing with diverse consumers as = the broker controls the rate at which data is transferred. The goal = is generally for the consumer to be able to consume at the maximum = possible rate; unfortunately, in a push system this means the = consumer tends to be overwhelmed when its rate of consumption falls = below the rate of production (a denial of service attack, in = essence). A pull-based system has the nicer property that the = consumer simply falls behind and catches up when it can. This can be = mitigated with some kind of backoff protocol by which the consumer = can indicate it is overwhelmed, but getting the rate of transfer = to fully utilize (but never over-utilize) the consumer is trickier = than it seems. Previous attempts at building systems in this = fashion led us to go with a more traditional pull model.
Another advantage of a pull-based system is that it lends = itself to aggressive batching of data sent to the consumer. A = push-based system must choose to either send a request immediately or = accumulate more data and then send it later without knowledge of = whether the downstream consumer will be able to immediately process = it. If tuned for low latency, this will result in sending a single = message at a time only for the transfer to end up being buffered = anyway, which is wasteful. A pull-based design fixes this as = the consumer always pulls all available messages after its current = position in the log (or up to some configurable max size). So one = gets optimal batching without introducing unnecessary latency.
The deficiency of a naive pull-based system is that if the = broker has no data the consumer may end up polling in a tight loop, = effectively busy-waiting for data to arrive. To avoid this we have = parameters in our pull request that allow the consumer request to = block in a "long poll" waiting until data arrives (and optionally = waiting until a given number of bytes is available to ensure large = transfer sizes).


My concerns about = pursuing HTTP-Push without pull remain unresolved.

My long-term preference is a single = protocol with the following capabilities:
* ability to = deliver multiple events in a single message body
* clear = ability to do re-delivery at the transmitters discretion (e.g. = overwhelmed or unavailable partner). The current spec seems to waffle = here.
* ability to support some amount of recovery where = network/security relationships warrant the cost
* a = bi-directional delivery that can be deployed as POST or GET initiated. = This in part because it reduces the number of security credentials = and complications needed to maintain multiple streams in opposite = directions over many different security and network relationships.
* ability to support a diverse number of client relationships = (asymmetric and symmetric in subject population or event frequency)
* strong confirmation of message transfer via acknowledgment = (e.g. to enable publisher to drop events from its = recovery buffers)

Phil

On Feb 4, 2019, at 10:42 AM, = Marius Scurtescu <marius.scurtescu@coinbase.com> wrote:

I support the publication of this = document, with the changes suggested by Yaron Shefer and Annabelle = Richard Backman.

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:04 PM Yaron = Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the quick response! A few = comments inline.

On 25/01/2019 22:18, Richard Backman, Annabelle wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback! Responses inline.
>
> --
>
> Annabelle Richard Backman
>
> AWS Identity
>
> =EF=BB=BFOn 1/25/19, 9:59 AM, "Id-event on behalf of Yaron Sheffer" =
> <id-event-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>      The document looks good. Here's a bunch o' = comments.
>
>      * Intro: receipt->recipient
>
> [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna]
>
>      * "The transmitter and recipient are known = to one another." But
> then we
>
>      require the *issuer* to be = authenticated by the Recipient. We need to
>
>      clarify the relationship between = Issuer (defined in the base spec) and
>
>      Transmitter. BTW, Issuer should be = capitalized.
>
> [richanna]
>
> The intent of that sentence is to indicate that the spec assumes = the
> Transmitter already knows who it needs to transmit the SET to, and = the
> Recipient knows who it expects to receive SETs from, and that = discovery
> of either is out of scope.
>
> You=E2=80=99re absolutely right. Section 2 is missing a validation = step: =E2=80=9CThe
> SET Recipient is willing to accept the SET, when transmitted by the = SET
> Transmitter.=E2=80=9D Also, we can add text to the definition of = SET Transmitter
> to clarify that it need not be the Issuer of the SET.
>
> [/richanna]
>
>      * "a decryption failure that may be due to = misconfigured keys" -
> this is
>
>      a strange reason for retransmission, = because it would normally
> require a
>
>      very slow manual operation, which = could easily overwhelm the
> Transmitter.
>
> [richanna]
>
> I had in mind issues or delays with key propagation after a = rotation,
> premature rejection of an outgoing key due to clock skew, = intermittent
> failure when retrieving a Transmitter=E2=80=99s public key, etc. = These are
> issues that may (depending on root cause) work themselves out after = a
> few minutes, though I suppose they are not properly = =E2=80=9Cmisconfigured
> keys.=E2=80=9D This example is probably just muddying the waters = without
> contributing much to the text.
>
> [/richanna]
>
>      * "Transmitting a SET": if the normal = response has an empty body,
> why do
>
>      we send "Accept: application/json"? = The Accept header is not
> mandatory,
>
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-5.3.2
>
> [richanna]
>
> Error responses will contain a JSON-formatted body, which the
> Transmitter MUST be prepared to accept.
>
> [/richanna]

YS: I still think the Accept header is redundant (in particular because =
if you cannot understand JSON, you cannot use this protocol at all), but =
I can live with it.

>
>      * "Failure Response": why is = responding with the right HTTP status
> code
>
>      a MAY? What else do we expect them to = do?
>
> [richanna]
>
> As I understand it, HTTP Servers have some discretion with regards = to
> which status codes they respond with in certain situations. The = =E2=80=9Cright
> HTTP status code=E2=80=9D can be subjective, and may change over = time as new
> status codes are defined for specific cases. SET Transmitters need = to be
> prepared to receive standard HTTP status codes, but I don=E2=80=99t = see a reason
> to impose more requirements on the SET Recipient in this area than = HTTP
> itself does.
>
> [/richanna]
>

YS: I agree with everything you say, but still, this would be more
correct: "the SET Recipient SHOULD respond with an appropriate HTTP
Status Code", even if the "appropriate" code is very fuzzy. Or else,
let's remove the RFC 2119 word: "the Recipient responds".

>      * "the SET Transmitter is not permitted to = transmit SETs issued by the
>
>      issuer specified in the SET" - I = suggest to change the text to
> indicate
>
>      this is from the point of view of the = Recipient: "the Recipient is not
>
>      willing to accept SETs issued by the = specified issuer from this
>
>      particular SET Transmitter".
>
> [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna]
>
>      * Error codes: what if the Recipient = expects the SET to be protected
>
>      (e.g. signed) but it is not? Is this = "authentication_failed"?
>
> [richanna]
>
> SET signatures authenticate the Issuer, not the Transmitter, so
> `authentication_failed` would be inappropriate. The Recipient = should
> return `access_denied` as it is unwilling to accept this SET from = this
> Transmitter. Now I=E2=80=99m actually wondering if there is a = difference between
> `invalid_request` and `access_denied` that is meaningful at = runtime.
> I=E2=80=99ll start a thread on this.
>
> [/richanna]
>
>      * "MUST support TLS 1.2" - we should allow = for a future where TLS
>
>      1.3-only is acceptable. So, "MUST = support TLS 1.2 or later".
>
> [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna]
>
>      * IANA: the Expert Review policy requires = a designated expert,
>
>      obviously. Since this is the only = SecEvent registry that needs it so
>
>      far, I'd rather go for the simpler = FCFS policy.
>
> [richanna]
>
> =F0=9F=91=8D, though I think we should add text to the effect of = =E2=80=9CError Codes are
> intended to be interpreted by automated systems, and therefore = SHOULD
> identify classes of errors in response to which an automated system =
> could take some distinct action.=E2=80=9D
>
> [/richanna]

YS: guidance is always good.

>
>      Thanks,
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>      =             = Yaron
>
>      On 24/01/2019 20:11, Dick Hardt = wrote:
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>      > Dear SecEvent participants,
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>      >
>
>      > This is to start a 2-week = working group last call
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>      > on = draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04
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>      >
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>      > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/=
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>      >
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>      > until Feb 8, 2019.
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>      >
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>      > Please send any comments to the = list. In addition, if you have no
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>      > comments but support publication = of this document as-is, please
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>      > make your voice heard.
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>      >
>
>      > Thanks,
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>      >
>
>  =     >       Dick = and Yaron
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>  =     _______________________________________________ >
>      Id-event mailing list
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>      Id-event@ietf.org
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>      https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event
>

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 00:12:59 -0000 --0000000000003b100c058142b401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Tomorrow will be the end of the 2 week period. If you have not provided any comments yet, please post to the list your comments or concerns, or at least a +1 or -1. Thanks! Dick and Yaron On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:11 AM Dick Hardt wrote: > Dear SecEvent participants, > > This is to start a 2-week working group last call on draft-ietf-secevent > -http-push-04 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ > > until Feb 8, 2019. > > Please send any comments to the list. In addition, if you have no comments > but support publication of this document as-is, please make your voice > heard. > > Thanks, > > Dick and Yaron > --0000000000003b100c058142b401 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tomorrow will be the end of the 2 week period. If you have= not provided any comments yet, please post to the list your comments or co= ncerns, or at least a=C2=A0+1 or -1. Thanks!

Dick and Ya= ron

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:11 AM Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear=C2=A0SecEvent=C2=A0participants,

This is to start a 2-week working group last= call on=C2=A0draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04=C2=A0

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push= /

until Feb 8, 2019.

Pl= ease send any comments to the list. In addition, if you have=C2=A0no commen= ts but support publication of this document as-is, please make=C2=A0your vo= ice heard.

Thanks,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dick and Yaron
--0000000000003b100c058142b401-- From nobody Thu Feb 7 01:03:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1B11310FD for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 01:03:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.641 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.641 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.142, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FGtMnAqSNBO6 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 01:03:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-it1-x141.google.com (mail-it1-x141.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::141]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E65F1310F5 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 01:03:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-it1-x141.google.com with SMTP id q78so4837880itc.0 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 01:03:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=zmlRiuz4eDdyUYlzuo927gd6I9s+Rv4vNUy+boOimTk=; b=NiaabqhxjMnyXH1GGngxnZbPvavzFtwwKTBxaw2+FQWWw10LPEqUd0dbLRzvS6vn5v ICuKaIvE5OuAwjVmoQWggWcsQPATpxPXaWz3TAOWbeL5m7gPWlRIMYBPKnqdHLiP/DxB FY0l1sJIVCEIS7C0LVFOlOkanWqgEaeJyuwPV6THxIZdhroq+QH147NKLKJxR6/OCuKr KRlFR/wSnf3KgJFtISpIyzrk7NwRf9ua70vpH/pLuwU6QOdPNH8dKcFoAe0KTZmSWR9d IkQFxgq0LBoSuLA2gv/u7b5fz8qMNkVch2OaXDCAcw5TlZS17+Ak4rBfg1Xg9spN6wdn ei2w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zmlRiuz4eDdyUYlzuo927gd6I9s+Rv4vNUy+boOimTk=; b=Uai4JxVs1KeFS3wSWvQxN4DPiMWqwHpbr1S1o+s+rgQUI5DOvCYDhcmc0UzcYQeqyq 0bBTuj2JKF4ZS6Ng+3SnUu9h7cB+Zjt/GegXg1DXvzKG6pEyJlFyQOHork5/araNsb2F jMsVBRIYtUcp7qp4KKAlyB/HaP4cJHuqV/VoDWFpRViG9bKhUH7Kx04jeZjjjOxmIGwB 9j0USdoG10OIsojdGgZh9sQeQUCeGRbySvRpsMyXXCxauAwK+OmgjiOcAQsH21PzYvd+ WreJw9kmmvW6Ll05/r3U9M8LwY5AK6Ep8lNWB8zMP1fbalptu3Omca62ezgvswQAtT3G I4eQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuazA6Y1xv7R4bghPZNDm+El723rj/3vtUd/5Vkn/sv+ZBL/VZHZ c/3z6YukHWyAo2scPae+qJxGOwwdZANTgwP8QU/ZbQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3Ib4HmR4NMYPaDhzTrNyqpYY+aHxfaVoBK5TuSCyUaLMqSKQCeD+m/bCAK7Y0b0TkbikEM2/QST8MyWgEJQzWfQ= X-Received: by 2002:a24:1306:: with SMTP id 6mr1341818itz.69.1549530234364; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 01:03:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Luke Camery Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 14:33:23 +0530 Message-ID: To: Dick Hardt Cc: SecEvent , Anthony Nadalin , Annabelle Richard , Yaron Sheffer , Mike Jones , Marius Scurtescu , "Morteza Ansari (moransar)" , Phil Hunt Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000030aa1505814a1faf" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push Delivery: working group last call X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 09:03:57 -0000 --00000000000030aa1505814a1faf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 Let's get this thing published. Great work everyone! On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5:43 AM Dick Hardt wrote: > Tomorrow will be the end of the 2 week period. If you have not provided > any comments yet, please post to the list your comments or concerns, or a= t > least a +1 or -1. Thanks! > > Dick and Yaron > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:11 AM Dick Hardt wrote: > >> Dear SecEvent participants, >> >> This is to start a 2-week working group last call on draft-ietf-secevent >> -http-push-04 >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ >> >> until Feb 8, 2019. >> >> Please send any comments to the list. In addition, if you have no >> comments but support publication of this document as-is, please make you= r >> voice heard. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dick and Yaron >> > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > --=20 * =E2=80=A2 **Luke Camery* * =E2=80=A2 *Associate Product Manager * =E2=80=A2 *Docs Security & Trust --00000000000030aa1505814a1faf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+1

Let's get this thing p= ublished. Great work everyone!

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5:43 AM Dick Hardt <= ;dick.hardt@gmail.com> wrote= :
Tomorrow will be the end of the 2 week period. If you have not provided = any comments yet, please post to the list your comments or concerns, or at = least a=C2=A0+1 or -1. Thanks!

Dick and Yaron

On Th= u, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:11 AM Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear=C2=A0SecEvent=C2=A0participants,

This is to sta= rt a 2-week working group last call on=C2=A0draft-ietf-secevent-= http-push-04=C2=A0

https:= //datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/

<= /div>
until Feb 8, 2019.

Please send any comme= nts to the list. In addition, if you have=C2=A0no comments but support publ= ication of this document as-is, please make=C2=A0your voice heard.

T= hanks,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dick and Yaron
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 13:36:47 -0000 --000000000000d6706d05814dee8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 I support the changes. On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:04 AM Luke Camery wrote: > +1 > > Let's get this thing published. Great work everyone! > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5:43 AM Dick Hardt wrote: > >> Tomorrow will be the end of the 2 week period. If you have not provided >> any comments yet, please post to the list your comments or concerns, or = at >> least a +1 or -1. Thanks! >> >> Dick and Yaron >> >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:11 AM Dick Hardt wrote= : >> >>> Dear SecEvent participants, >>> >>> This is to start a 2-week working group last call on draft-ietf-seceven= t >>> -http-push-04 >>> >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ >>> >>> until Feb 8, 2019. >>> >>> Please send any comments to the list. In addition, if you have no >>> comments but support publication of this document as-is, please make yo= ur >>> voice heard. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Dick and Yaron >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Id-event mailing list >> Id-event@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event >> > > > -- > > * =E2=80=A2 **Luke Camery* > * =E2=80=A2 *Associate Product Manager > * =E2=80=A2 *Docs Security & Trust > > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > --=20 Adam Dawes | Sr. Product Manager | adawes@google.com | +1 650-214-2410 --000000000000d6706d05814dee8c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+1 I support the changes.

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:04 A= M Luke Camery <lcamery=3D= 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
+1

Let's get this thing published. Great work everyone!

On Thu, Feb 7, 201= 9 at 5:43 AM Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com> wrote:
Tomorrow will be the end = of the 2 week period. If you have not provided any comments yet, please pos= t to the list your comments or concerns, or at least a=C2=A0+1 or -1. Thank= s!

Dick and Yaron

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:11 AM = Dick Hardt <di= ck.hardt@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear=C2=A0SecEvent=C2=A0participants,

This is to st= art a 2-week working group last call on=C2=A0draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04=C2=A0

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-= http-push/

until Feb 8, 2019.

Please send any comments to the list. In addition, if you have=C2=A0= no comments but support publication of this document as-is, please make=C2= =A0your voice heard.

Thanks,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dick an= d Yaron
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2019 06:20:48 -0000 --00000000000078d65b05815bf56c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And I should also note that we have the push spec in production now with Adobe and others in our just launched implementation of RISC and SETs: https://developers.googleblog.com/2019/02/working-together-to-improve-user.= html https://developers.google.com/identity/risc/ https://blogs.adobe.com/security/2019/02/adobe-supports-openid-risc-integr= ation-with-google-social-authentication.html On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5:36 AM Adam Dawes wrote: > +1 I support the changes. > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:04 AM Luke Camery 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> Let's get this thing published. Great work everyone! >> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5:43 AM Dick Hardt wrote: >> >>> Tomorrow will be the end of the 2 week period. If you have not provided >>> any comments yet, please post to the list your comments or concerns, or= at >>> least a +1 or -1. Thanks! >>> >>> Dick and Yaron >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:11 AM Dick Hardt >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear SecEvent participants, >>>> >>>> This is to start a 2-week working group last call on draft-ietf- >>>> secevent-http-push-04 >>>> >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ >>>> >>>> until Feb 8, 2019. >>>> >>>> Please send any comments to the list. In addition, if you have no >>>> comments but support publication of this document as-is, please make y= our >>>> voice heard. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Dick and Yaron >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Id-event mailing list >>> Id-event@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> * =E2=80=A2 **Luke Camery* >> * =E2=80=A2 *Associate Product Manager >> * =E2=80=A2 *Docs Security & Trust >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Id-event mailing list >> Id-event@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event >> > > > -- > Adam Dawes | Sr. Product Manager | adawes@google.com | +1 650-214-2410 > > --=20 Adam Dawes | Sr. Product Manager | adawes@google.com | +1 650-214-2410 --00000000000078d65b05815bf56c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5= :36 AM Adam Dawes <adawes@google.com> wrote:
+1 I support the changes.

=
On Thu, Fe= b 7, 2019 at 1:04 AM Luke Camery <lcamery=3D40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wr= ote:
+1

Let's get this thing published. G= reat work everyone!

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5:43 AM Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
Tomorrow will be the end of the 2 week period. If you have not pr= ovided any comments yet, please post to the list your comments or concerns,= or at least a=C2=A0+1 or -1. Thanks!

Dick and Yaron

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:11 AM Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear=C2=A0SecEvent=C2=A0participants,

= This is to start a 2-week working group last call on=C2=A0draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04=C2=A0

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-pu= sh/

until Feb 8, 2019.

= Please send any comments to the list. In addition, if you have=C2=A0no comm= ents but support publication of this document as-is, please make=C2=A0your = voice heard.

Thanks,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dick and Yaron<= br>
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Yaron and I are extending the LC another week to give the = WG a chance to respond to the document and any of the comments. I'm int= erested to hear feedback on Phil's comments and views and if they are s= hared with the rest of the WG.

NOTE
<= div>Currently, Yaron and I don't think there is enough WG participation= outside of the authors, and if we don't get more participation in the = next week, we will have to drop the draft.


On Wed, Feb = 6, 2019 at 4:12 PM Dick Hardt <d= ick.hardt@gmail.com> wrote:
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Dick and Yaron

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2019 18:08:47 -0000 --000000000000568c04058165d9da Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Exciting to see this in production! Thanks for sharing Adam! On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:20 PM Adam Dawes wrote: > And I should also note that we have the push spec in production now with > Adobe and others in our just launched implementation of RISC and SETs: > > https://developers.googleblog.com/2019/02/working-together-to-improve-use= r.html > https://developers.google.com/identity/risc/ > > https://blogs.adobe.com/security/2019/02/adobe-supports-openid-risc-inte= gration-with-google-social-authentication.html > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5:36 AM Adam Dawes wrote: > >> +1 I support the changes. >> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:04 AM Luke Camery > 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> Let's get this thing published. Great work everyone! >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5:43 AM Dick Hardt wrote: >>> >>>> Tomorrow will be the end of the 2 week period. If you have not provide= d >>>> any comments yet, please post to the list your comments or concerns, o= r at >>>> least a +1 or -1. Thanks! >>>> >>>> Dick and Yaron >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:11 AM Dick Hardt >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear SecEvent participants, >>>>> >>>>> This is to start a 2-week working group last call on draft-ietf- >>>>> secevent-http-push-04 >>>>> >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ >>>>> >>>>> until Feb 8, 2019. >>>>> >>>>> Please send any comments to the list. In addition, if you have no >>>>> comments but support publication of this document as-is, please make = your >>>>> voice heard. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Dick and Yaron >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Id-event mailing list >>>> Id-event@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> * =E2=80=A2 **Luke Camery* >>> * =E2=80=A2 *Associate Product Manager >>> * =E2=80=A2 *Docs Security & Trust >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Id-event mailing list >>> Id-event@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event >>> >> >> >> -- >> Adam Dawes | Sr. Product Manager | adawes@google.com | +1 650-214-2410 >> >> > > -- > Adam Dawes | Sr. Product Manager | adawes@google.com | +1 650-214-2410 > > --000000000000568c04058165d9da Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Exciting to see this in production! Thanks=C2=A0for sharin= g Adam!

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:20 PM Adam Dawes <adawes@google.com> wrote:
And I should also note th= at we have the push spec in production now with Adobe and others in our jus= t launched implementation of RISC and SETs:
On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5:36 AM Adam Dawes <adawes@google.com> wrote:
+1 I s= upport the changes.

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:04 AM Luke Camery <lcame= ry=3D40goo= gle.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
+1

Let&= #39;s get this thing published. Great work everyone!

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at = 5:43 AM Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com> wrote:
Tomorrow will be the end of the = 2 week period. If you have not provided any comments yet, please post to th= e list your comments or concerns, or at least a=C2=A0+1 or -1. Thanks!
=
Dick and Yaron

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:11 AM Dick Ha= rdt <dick.hard= t@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear=C2=A0SecEvent=C2=A0participants,

This is to star= t a 2-week working group last call on=C2=A0draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04=C2=A0
<= br>
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sece= vent-http-push/

until Feb 8, 2019.
Please send any comments to the list. In addition, if you have= =C2=A0no comments but support publication of this document as-is, please ma= ke=C2=A0your voice heard.

Thanks,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Di= ck and Yaron
_______________________________________________
Id-event mailing list
Id-event@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event


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=C2= =A0 =E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Luke Camery
=C2=A0 =E2=80=A2= =C2=A0Associate Product Manager
=C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Docs Security &a= mp; Trust
_______________________________________________
Id-event mailing list
Id-event@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event


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Adam = Dawes=C2=A0|=C2=A0Sr. P= roduct Manager=C2=A0|=C2= =A0adawes@google.com= =C2=A0|=C2=A0+1 650= -214-2410



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[109.67.31.147]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o12sm39618623wre.0.2019.02.17.06.42.56 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 17 Feb 2019 06:42:56 -0800 (PST) To: SecEvent From: Yaron Sheffer Message-ID: <7cfedb70-a999-ad63-efd0-56a178adde97@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 16:42:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:43:01 -0000 Dear working group,

We issued a 2-week second last call for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 on Jan. 24, and extended it by a further week, which expired on Friday. We had to issue a second last call because of lack of response to the first last call which took place in November/December.

The results were better in the second try (2 non-authors in support, and 1 not clearly supporting publication) but not enough in our mind to push the document forward.

This means that we will not be publishing the Push protocol as a working group document. The authors are welcome to publish it through other channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE.

We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly there is too little energy within the working group. We thank the authors for the significant effort that they put into this document, and thank the working group members who reviewed it.

Regards,

    Dick and Yaron From nobody Sun Feb 24 16:52:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8138130E7F for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 16:52:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=coinbase.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BRkHQWPiI_bg for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 16:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg1-x52f.google.com (mail-pg1-x52f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3183B12DD85 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 16:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg1-x52f.google.com with SMTP id h11so3665286pgl.0 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 16:52:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=coinbase.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=zEcQkCmU0YRvpFYSz7v5sApbp6NIbqiKu/ihkwkySkU=; b=XyBRQjdLoUmFm762OC/OajjLKtPBjXMPtRfxTnPoY9RzRWeOqPRM+WqNburyIAYoSZ GFZfeeL3gdUcXa2lPJsvV5J541F1yrcP0pro+w6INkAVXTYeF4/gigBsMCAoHthzMyxk BHfVPtKb49nKNncnkQ8K2UhMLxn3iMr/mIMDE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zEcQkCmU0YRvpFYSz7v5sApbp6NIbqiKu/ihkwkySkU=; b=qphcrJZcNWQZ5Yj0gD+9MSTXkMtWGqtLdcwnzv6FzTqsoAKAXL3e2ZQIKkDMJK/Dsc OQj2Gz+PwofmE7WsmPO5kAI4dDU9yxwuwIuid/VpkfUO1uw8UCR1dH2ieMLXUPjGpID5 JdcQfrBxXz7DMBiu5Umv/bKC4gCzywWUiCe3HO3pgf58u7+FXMeYYq3OMWJdksvpUJyW BOT8fhlFdatpG6fqgbtMwWqhIVVu6FfTulWt65DEvigfgZ53QF6a44U8TIhYrhA4V7v2 kqM2ZmKfe3oQqfMPuoxwWaS3Pw64P2TODWeAmQPvOXEYpxg+/lGve3c9ZU2c0mlGcH4P jWEA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAubuDSGINhtrqSZePNtCazPheyCwpmRfntWLrmGicoL+JugGE2GE GaTou5lOxc6PsMT9btZ9Tgg5oBUYXUZBO25xqc168w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IbgriFRIzaEhJzmdDS/qUOI1U8ppWlApBadSU8esO9Txy2Ifva8imMKX2LCmW8WNGbkXr+5HNYQNMn4XkNliak= X-Received: by 2002:a63:541:: with SMTP id 62mr16313756pgf.172.1551055938378; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 16:52:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7cfedb70-a999-ad63-efd0-56a178adde97@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7cfedb70-a999-ad63-efd0-56a178adde97@gmail.com> From: Marius Scurtescu Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 16:52:07 -0800 Message-ID: To: Yaron Sheffer Cc: SecEvent Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003c08c70582ad5a52" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 00:52:22 -0000 --0000000000003c08c70582ad5a52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Regrettable indeed :-( Were the recent official launches by Adobe and Google taken into consideration? Is it possible to consult the AD for options? Did we consider the implications for the whole working group? While the group is indeed at a low point of activity, a lot of work went into this draft and it is central for real life implementations. On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:43 AM Yaron Sheffer wrote: > Dear working group, > > We issued a 2-week second last call for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 > on Jan. 24, and extended it by a further week, which expired on Friday. We > had to issue a second last call because of lack of response to the first > last call which took place in November/December. > > The results were better in the second try (2 non-authors in support, and 1 > not clearly supporting publication) but not enough in our mind to push the > document forward. > > This means that we will not be publishing the Push protocol as a working > group document. The authors are welcome to publish it through other > channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE. > > We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly there is too > little energy within the working group. We thank the authors for the > significant effort that they put into this document, and thank the working > group members who reviewed it. > > Regards, > > Dick and Yaron > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > --0000000000003c08c70582ad5a52 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Regrettable indeed :-(

Were the recent = official launches by Adobe and Google taken into consideration?
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Is it possible to consult the AD for options?

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Did we consider the implications for the whole working group?
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While the group is indeed at a low point of activ= ity, a lot of work went into this draft and it is central for real life imp= lementations.=C2=A0




On Su= n, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:43 AM Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
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Dear working group,

We issued a 2-week second last call for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 on Jan. 24, and extended it by a further week, which expired on Friday. We had to issue a second last call because of lack of response to the first last call which took place in November/December.

The results were better in the second try (2 non-authors in support, and 1 not clearly supporting publication) but not enough in our mind to push the document forward.

This means that we will not be publishing the Push protocol as a working group document. The authors are welcome to publish it through other channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE.

We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly there is too little energy within the working group. We thank the authors for the significant effort that they put into this document, and thank the working group members who reviewed it.

Regards,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dick and Yaron
_______________________________________________
Id-event mailing list
Id-event@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 20:24:37 -0000 The latter: the working group is dropping HTTP Push as a topic. Thanks, Yaron On 25/02/2019 21:08, Richard Backman, Annabelle wrote: > Yaron, > > Forgive my unfamiliarity with IETF process, but could you explain what > this decision by the chairs means? Does this mean the document will not > be advanced along the standards track, but will remain as a WG draft? Or > does this mean the secevent WG is effectively dropping HTTP push > delivery as a topic that it is working on? > > -- > > Annabelle Richard Backman > > AWS Identity > > *From: *Id-event on behalf of Yaron Sheffer > > *Date: *Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 6:43 AM > *To: *SecEvent > *Subject: *[Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC > > Dear working group, > > We issued a 2-week second last call for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 > on Jan. 24, and extended it by a further week, which expired on Friday. > We had to issue a second last call because of lack of response to the > first last call which took place in November/December. > > The results were better in the second try (2 non-authors in support, and > 1 not clearly supporting publication) but not enough in our mind to push > the document forward. > > This means that we will not be publishing the Push protocol as a working > group document. The authors are welcome to publish it through other > channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE. > > We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly there is too > little energy within the working group. We thank the authors for the > significant effort that they put into this document, and thank the > working group members who reviewed it. > > Regards, > >     Dick and Yaron > From nobody Mon Feb 25 13:30:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448E9131090 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:30:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=oracle.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sXBXUjijhRHQ for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com (aserp2130.oracle.com [141.146.126.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82CB41279E6 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x1PLOTAe118616; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 21:30:16 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=from : message-id : content-type : mime-version : subject : date : in-reply-to : cc : to : references; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=P/49t6E5fPy9dw3RDTTBowFY4saM5JCwIebmpEFG2k0=; b=GDwQXx6ShP81PpLLKQt9fVOAvKuwXa9it1ipZ3TKfsM1itXC44Kf/p3BCoioDiy9lSyu Fhe9ZG815z/LTAyxP1I1SxAfZvbxnkuDrCzCt6QoYKKPGkVF6FQEQ6uUEmR5bnV+M/Ms T1kltcRTZmNdBi5jEFy9N1zQfJ1YFCh2AsgWgQThOZQiG1VWDL6Wr84C+Yvxr3bldc7b FPzpZ1C+C86ar+H2GaBQ3++e1IVbtNeDaDst8WT/6li7waOH1g6EPLF9ivJ50PpY+8H0 WDbFKou9ZjwcABB6k2DofFgPsEVOMUR8Do2XAUdBe7Scefh1qngs2V/kXhdkfF84ENn4 cw== Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2qtupe0yyq-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Feb 2019 21:30:15 +0000 Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x1PLUEfw008661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Feb 2019 21:30:14 GMT Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x1PLUCi9011717; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 21:30:12 GMT Received: from dhcp-10-65-173-200.vpn.oracle.com (/10.65.173.200) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:30:11 -0800 From: Phil Hunt Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D2021FC4-E5ED-4454-992E-470EE1AB1D1F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:30:04 -0800 In-Reply-To: <41cdc155-6637-170b-e9f5-b31e624f7783@gmail.com> Cc: "Richard Backman, Annabelle" , SecEvent To: Yaron Sheffer References: <7cfedb70-a999-ad63-efd0-56a178adde97@gmail.com> <05D942B6-1F1C-4205-B0E9-5AF6B37D551B@amazon.com> <41cdc155-6637-170b-e9f5-b31e624f7783@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9178 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1902250152 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 21:30:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D2021FC4-E5ED-4454-992E-470EE1AB1D1F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It might be time to look at current popular streaming systems such as = Kafka. If the group wants to write a new spec, then identify what = problem is to be solved that hasn=E2=80=99t already been addressed in = the market. Phil Hunt | Cloud Security and Identity Architect Oracle Corporation, Oracle Cloud Infrastructure @independentid www.independentid.com phil.hunt@oracle.com > On Feb 25, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Yaron Sheffer = wrote: >=20 > The latter: the working group is dropping HTTP Push as a topic. >=20 > Thanks, > Yaron >=20 > On 25/02/2019 21:08, Richard Backman, Annabelle wrote: >> Yaron, >> Forgive my unfamiliarity with IETF process, but could you explain = what this decision by the chairs means? Does this mean the document will = not be advanced along the standards track, but will remain as a WG = draft? Or does this mean the secevent WG is effectively dropping HTTP = push delivery as a topic that it is working on? >> --=20 >> Annabelle Richard Backman >> AWS Identity >> *From: *Id-event on behalf of Yaron = Sheffer >> *Date: *Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 6:43 AM >> *To: *SecEvent >> *Subject: *[Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC >> Dear working group, >> We issued a 2-week second last call for = draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 on Jan. 24, and extended it by a = further week, which expired on Friday. We had to issue a second last = call because of lack of response to the first last call which took place = in November/December. >> The results were better in the second try (2 non-authors in support, = and 1 not clearly supporting publication) but not enough in our mind to = push the document forward. >> This means that we will not be publishing the Push protocol as a = working group document. The authors are welcome to publish it through = other channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE. >> We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly there is too = little energy within the working group. We thank the authors for the = significant effort that they put into this document, and thank the = working group members who reviewed it. >> Regards, >> Dick and Yaron >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailma= n_listinfo_id-2Devent&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65ea= pI_JnE&r=3Dna5FVzBTWmanqWNy4DpctyXPpuYqPkAI1aLcLN4KZNA&m=3DIhopAP-6tWoTdeV= j-i6_kC7N053G_eaQJ7OEZGpoNmc&s=3DNu5StUuDomBOpZIwbF7bpUS3djwgeBfySnVPbWZdN= dE&e=3D = --Apple-Mail=_D2021FC4-E5ED-4454-992E-470EE1AB1D1F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

It might = be time to look at current popular streaming systems such as Kafka. If = the group wants to write a new spec, then identify what problem is to be = solved that hasn=E2=80=99t already been addressed in the = market.

Phil Hunt | Cloud Security and Identity Architect
Oracle Corporation, Oracle Cloud Infrastructure
@independentid






On Feb 25, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

The latter: the working group is = dropping HTTP Push as a topic.

Thanks,
= Yaron
On 25/02/2019 21:08, Richard = Backman, Annabelle wrote:
Yaron,
Forgive my = unfamiliarity with IETF process, but could you explain what this = decision by the chairs means? Does this mean the document will not be = advanced along the standards track, but will remain as a WG draft? Or = does this mean the secevent WG is effectively dropping HTTP push = delivery as a topic that it is working on?
-- 
Annabelle = Richard Backman
AWS Identity
*From: = *Id-event <id-event-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Yaron Sheffer = <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>
*Date: *Sunday, = February 17, 2019 at 6:43 AM
*To: *SecEvent <id-event@ietf.org>
*Subject: *[Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC
Dear working group,
We issued a 2-week second = last call for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 on Jan. 24, and extended = it by a further week, which expired on Friday. We had to issue a second = last call because of lack of response to the first last call which took = place in November/December.
The results were better in the = second try (2 non-authors in support, and 1 not clearly supporting = publication) but not enough in our mind to push the document forward.
This means that we will not be publishing the Push protocol = as a working group document. The authors are welcome to publish it = through other channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE.
We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly = there is too little energy within the working group. We thank the = authors for the significant effort that they put into this document, and = thank the working group members who reviewed it.
Regards,    Dick and Yaron

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AHQUAuYHpup8hmVrjugUyzQjJkrEwycnOrBI42GeiecGQ3gOWd8ERyBL tlto7CLxbpKzKGly2tz0cKYupkpk51epaj40UO8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IbLNAB9mApeFPdX32CPI2PLEMcVcfneeAIG+MTGkFGbkvv1uoyreKuzvH8VXyPdD3CEbZXbsGh8DNwMtZ7gDfc= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:514d:: with SMTP id q13mr1958467lfd.30.1551299347909; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 12:29:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7cfedb70-a999-ad63-efd0-56a178adde97@gmail.com> <05D942B6-1F1C-4205-B0E9-5AF6B37D551B@amazon.com> <41cdc155-6637-170b-e9f5-b31e624f7783@gmail.com> <4CBE4AC9-D20F-4DB6-BC0C-5254DCA73BA4@amazon.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dick Hardt Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 12:28:56 -0800 Message-ID: To: Mike Jones Cc: "Richard Backman, Annabelle" , Yaron Sheffer , SecEvent Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000092904f0582e60606" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 20:29:13 -0000 --00000000000092904f0582e60606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Annabelle and Mike I appreciate that you are disappointed with the results of the WG LC -- we are as well. Per RFC 2418 Sec 7.4, the Chairs requested WG Last Call input multiple times over several months, and received precious few responses on the mailing list. "At least rough consensus" is needed for WG documents to be advanced to the IESG (RFC 2418, Sec. 7.5), and with two non-author voices in favor, and one against, it is quite clear to the Chairs that such consensus has not been demonstrated. Note that the Chairs are not determining that the Push Delivery document should not be worked on, only that it has not met the requirements for moving forward in the IETF process. Related is the lack of energy in the WG. The 2018-10-03 interim meeting was cancelled due to lack of progress. Updates on the Poll and Subject Identifier documents are still outstanding. Only 3 of the 5 authors of the Push Delivery document responded to the WG LC. Forward progress of the WG is the responsibility of the Chairs (RFC 2418, Sec. 6.1). With the SET document process now complete as RFC 8417, and the Push Delivery document not achieving WG consensus, the choice to terminate the WG per RFC 2418, Sec 4 is open for discussion by the WG. wrt. deployments using the Push Delivery document, implementation of the proposed protocol is an important factor in progressing the document, but it is not sufficient in the absence of WG consensus. Additionally, those deployments are specified in the OpenID Foundation RISC Profile https://openid.net/specs/openid-risc-profile-1_0-ID1.html Dick and Yaron On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 3:25 PM Mike Jones wrote: > I support Annabelle's inquiry. In my past IETF experiences, working grou= p > decisions have been made to not progress a draft, but such a decision has > never been made by the chairs without working group discussion on the > question. > > -- Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Id-event On Behalf Of Richard Backman, > Annabelle > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 1:17 PM > To: Yaron Sheffer ; SecEvent > Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC > > I'd like the chairs to explain the rationale behind this decision. > Specifically, I would like to know: > > 1. How does this square with the persistent level of interest and > engagement demonstrated during the presentations on this draft and its > predecessor over the past several (4? 5?) IETF meetings? > 2. What benefit is there to the IETF, the working group, or the community > at-large in dropping this work, when there is a demonstrated need for the > protocol, and multiple parties are already implementing it? > 3. Why is this decision being made by the chairs, rather than the WG at > large? > 4. Is it standard practice to use engagement on a WGLC thread as a > referendum on continuing the work within the WG? > 5. What threshold of engagement needs to be met in order for the chairs t= o > deem the document worthy of continued work within the WG? > > -- > Annabelle Richard Backman > AWS Identity > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 2/25/19, 12:25 PM, "Id-event on behalf of Yaron Sheffer" < > id-event-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > The latter: the working group is dropping HTTP Push as a topic. > > Thanks, > Yaron > > On 25/02/2019 21:08, Richard Backman, Annabelle wrote: > > Yaron, > > > > Forgive my unfamiliarity with IETF process, but could you explain > what > > this decision by the chairs means? Does this mean the document will > not > > be advanced along the standards track, but will remain as a WG > draft? Or > > does this mean the secevent WG is effectively dropping HTTP push > > delivery as a topic that it is working on? > > > > -- > > > > Annabelle Richard Backman > > > > AWS Identity > > > > *From: *Id-event on behalf of Yaron > Sheffer > > > > *Date: *Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 6:43 AM > > *To: *SecEvent > > *Subject: *[Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC > > > > Dear working group, > > > > We issued a 2-week second last call for > draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 > > on Jan. 24, and extended it by a further week, which expired on > Friday. > > We had to issue a second last call because of lack of response to > the > > first last call which took place in November/December. > > > > The results were better in the second try (2 non-authors in support= , > and > > 1 not clearly supporting publication) but not enough in our mind to > push > > the document forward. > > > > This means that we will not be publishing the Push protocol as a > working > > group document. The authors are welcome to publish it through other > > channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE. > > > > We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly there is > too > > little energy within the working group. We thank the authors for th= e > > significant effort that they put into this document, and thank the > > working group members who reviewed it. > > > > Regards, > > > > Dick and Yaron > > > > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > > > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > --00000000000092904f0582e60606 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Annabelle and Mike

I appreciate that you are disappointed with the results of the WG L= C -- we are as well.

Per RFC 2418 Sec 7.4,=C2=A0th= e=C2=A0Chairs requested WG Last Call input multiple times over several mont= hs, and=C2=A0received precious few responses on the mailing list. "At = least rough=C2=A0consensus" is needed for WG documents to be advanced = to the IESG (RFC=C2=A02418, Sec. 7.5), and with two non-author voices in fa= vor, and one=C2=A0against, it is quite clear to the Chairs that such consen= sus has not been demonstrated.

Note that the C= hairs are not determining that the Push Delivery document should not be wor= ked on, only that it has not met the requirements for moving forward in the= IETF process.

Related is the lack of energy in th= e WG. The 2018-10-03 interim meeting was cancelled due to lack of progress.= Updates on the Poll and Subject Identifier documents are still outstanding= . Only 3 of the 5 authors of the Push Delivery document responded to the WG= LC.=C2=A0=C2=A0Forward progress of the WG is the responsibility of the Cha= irs (RFC 2418, Sec. 6.1). With the SET document process now complete as RFC= 8417, and the Push Delivery document not achieving WG consensus, the choic= e to terminate the WG per RFC 2418, Sec 4 is open for discussion by the WG.=

wrt. deployments using the Push Delivery document= , implementation of the proposed protocol is an important factor in progres= sing the document, but it is not sufficient in the absence of WG=C2=A0
consensus. Additionally, those deployments are specified in the OpenI= D Foundation RISC Profile=C2=A0https://openid.net/specs/openid= -risc-profile-1_0-ID1.html

Dick and Yaron

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 3:25 PM Mike Jones <Michael.Jones=3D40microsoft.com@d= marc.ietf.org> wrote:
I support Annabelle's inquiry.=C2=A0 In my past IETF exper= iences, working group decisions have been made to not progress a draft, but= such a decision has never been made by the chairs without working group di= scussion on the question.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -- Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Id-event <id-event-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Richard Backman, Anna= belle
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 1:17 PM
To: Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>; SecEvent <id-event@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC

I'd like the chairs to explain the rationale behind this decision. Spec= ifically, I would like to know:

1. How does this square with the persistent level of interest and engagemen= t demonstrated during the presentations on this draft and its predecessor o= ver the past several (4? 5?) IETF meetings?
2. What benefit is there to the IETF, the working group, or the community a= t-large in dropping this work, when there is a demonstrated need for the pr= otocol, and multiple parties are already implementing it?
3. Why is this decision being made by the chairs, rather than the WG at lar= ge?
4. Is it standard practice to use engagement on a WGLC thread as a referend= um on continuing the work within the WG?
5. What threshold of engagement needs to be met in order for the chairs to = deem the document worthy of continued work within the WG?

--
Annabelle Richard Backman
AWS Identity


=EF=BB=BFOn 2/25/19, 12:25 PM, "Id-event on behalf of Yaron Sheffer&qu= ot; <id-e= vent-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The latter: the working group is dropping HTTP Push as a topi= c.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yaron

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 25/02/2019 21:08, Richard Backman, Annabelle wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Yaron,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Forgive my unfamiliarity with IETF process, but could yo= u explain what
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > this decision by the chairs means? Does this mean the do= cument will not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > be advanced along the standards track, but will remain a= s a WG draft? Or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > does this mean the secevent WG is effectively dropping H= TTP push
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > delivery as a topic that it is working on?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > --
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Annabelle Richard Backman
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > AWS Identity
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > *From: *Id-event <id-event-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of = Yaron Sheffer
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > *Date: *Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 6:43 AM
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > *To: *SecEvent <id-event@ietf.org>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > *Subject: *[Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Dear working group,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > We issued a 2-week second last call for draft-ietf-secev= ent-http-push-04
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > on Jan. 24, and extended it by a further week, which exp= ired on Friday.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > We had to issue a second last call because of lack of re= sponse to the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > first last call which took place in November/December. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > The results were better in the second try (2 non-authors= in support, and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > 1 not clearly supporting publication) but not enough in = our mind to push
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > the document forward.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > This means that we will not be publishing the Push proto= col as a working
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > group document. The authors are welcome to publish it th= rough other
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly= there is too
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > little energy within the working group. We thank the aut= hors for the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > significant effort that they put into this document, and= thank the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > working group members who reviewed it.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Regards,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dick and Yaron
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >

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[109.65.41.191]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t69sm5967895wmt.16.2019.02.27.14.33.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Feb 2019 14:33:19 -0800 (PST) To: "Richard Backman, Annabelle" , Dick Hardt , Mike Jones Cc: SecEvent , "Richard Backman, Annabelle" References: <7cfedb70-a999-ad63-efd0-56a178adde97@gmail.com> <05D942B6-1F1C-4205-B0E9-5AF6B37D551B@amazon.com> <41cdc155-6637-170b-e9f5-b31e624f7783@gmail.com> <4CBE4AC9-D20F-4DB6-BC0C-5254DCA73BA4@amazon.com> <6B500974-568C-4470-AF38-3CD5A4C9447F@amazon.com> From: Yaron Sheffer Message-ID: <71673299-e9ae-3223-f8ff-2ee7dfd202ea@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 00:33:17 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6B500974-568C-4470-AF38-3CD5A4C9447F@amazon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 22:33:30 -0000 Hi Annabelle, You are correct that the two contradict, and I would like to take back the sentence about dropping the topic. Thanks, Yaron On 28/02/2019 0:01, Richard Backman, Annabelle wrote: > Dick, > > Could you clarify? Yaron said “the working group is dropping HTTP Push > as a topic” but you said “the Chairs are not determining that the Push > Delivery document should not be worked on.” These seem to contradict one > another. > > -- > > Annabelle Richard Backman > > AWS Identity > > *From: *Id-event on behalf of Dick Hardt > > *Date: *Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 12:29 PM > *To: *Mike Jones > *Cc: *Yaron Sheffer , SecEvent > , "Richard Backman, Annabelle" > > *Subject: *Re: [Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC > > Annabelle and Mike > > I appreciate that you are disappointed with the results of the WG LC -- > we are as well. > > Per RFC 2418 Sec 7.4, the Chairs requested WG Last Call input multiple > times over several months, and received precious few responses on the > mailing list. "At least rough consensus" is needed for WG documents to > be advanced to the IESG (RFC 2418, Sec. 7.5), and with two non-author > voices in favor, and one against, it is quite clear to the Chairs that > such consensus has not been demonstrated. > > Note that the Chairs are not determining that the Push Delivery document > should not be worked on, only that it has not met the requirements for > moving forward in the IETF process. > > Related is the lack of energy in the WG. The 2018-10-03 interim meeting > was cancelled due to lack of progress. Updates on the Poll and Subject > Identifier documents are still outstanding.. Only 3 of the 5 authors of > the Push Delivery document responded to the WG LC.  Forward progress of > the WG is the responsibility of the Chairs (RFC 2418, Sec. 6.1). With > the SET document process now complete as RFC 8417, and the Push Delivery > document not achieving WG consensus, the choice to terminate the WG per > RFC 2418, Sec 4 is open for discussion by the WG. > > wrt. deployments using the Push Delivery document, implementation of the > proposed protocol is an important factor in progressing the document, > but it is not sufficient in the absence of WG > > consensus. Additionally, those deployments are specified in the OpenID > Foundation RISC Profile > https://openid.net/specs/openid-risc-profile-1_0-ID1.html > > Dick and Yaron > > https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 3:25 PM Mike Jones > > wrote: > > I support Annabelle's inquiry.  In my past IETF experiences, working > group decisions have been made to not progress a draft, but such a > decision has never been made by the chairs without working group > discussion on the question. > >                                 -- Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Id-event > On Behalf Of Richard Backman, > Annabelle > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 1:17 PM > To: Yaron Sheffer >; SecEvent > > Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC > > I'd like the chairs to explain the rationale behind this decision. > Specifically, I would like to know: > > 1. How does this square with the persistent level of interest and > engagement demonstrated during the presentations on this draft and > its predecessor over the past several (4? 5?) IETF meetings? > 2. What benefit is there to the IETF, the working group, or the > community at-large in dropping this work, when there is a > demonstrated need for the protocol, and multiple parties are already > implementing it? > 3. Why is this decision being made by the chairs, rather than the WG > at large? > 4. Is it standard practice to use engagement on a WGLC thread as a > referendum on continuing the work within the WG? > 5. What threshold of engagement needs to be met in order for the > chairs to deem the document worthy of continued work within the WG? > > -- > Annabelle Richard Backman > AWS Identity > > > On 2/25/19, 12:25 PM, "Id-event on behalf of Yaron Sheffer" > on > behalf of yaronf.ietf@gmail.com > wrote: > >     The latter: the working group is dropping HTTP Push as a topic. > >     Thanks, >         Yaron > >     On 25/02/2019 21:08, Richard Backman, Annabelle wrote: >     > Yaron, >     > >     > Forgive my unfamiliarity with IETF process, but could you > explain what >     > this decision by the chairs means? Does this mean the > document will not >     > be advanced along the standards track, but will remain as a > WG draft? Or >     > does this mean the secevent WG is effectively dropping HTTP push >     > delivery as a topic that it is working on? >     > >     > -- >     > >     > Annabelle Richard Backman >     > >     > AWS Identity >     > >     > *From: *Id-event > on behalf of Yaron Sheffer >     > > >     > *Date: *Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 6:43 AM >     > *To: *SecEvent > >     > *Subject: *[Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC >     > >     > Dear working group, >     > >     > We issued a 2-week second last call for > draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 >     > on Jan. 24, and extended it by a further week, which expired > on Friday. >     > We had to issue a second last call because of lack of > response to the >     > first last call which took place in November/December. >     > >     > The results were better in the second try (2 non-authors in > support, and >     > 1 not clearly supporting publication) but not enough in our > mind to push >     > the document forward. >     > >     > This means that we will not be publishing the Push protocol > as a working >     > group document. The authors are welcome to publish it through > other >     > channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE. >     > >     > We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly > there is too >     > little energy within the working group. We thank the authors > for the >     > significant effort that they put into this document, and > thank the >     > working group members who reviewed it. >     > >     > Regards, >     > >     >      Dick and Yaron >     > > >     _______________________________________________ >     Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > > > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > From nobody Wed Feb 27 14:42:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E3F1311AE for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 14:42:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=coinbase.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nVKzv6519VB5 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 14:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg1-x52d.google.com (mail-pg1-x52d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15EE21311AF for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 14:42:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg1-x52d.google.com with SMTP id i130so8675044pgd.1 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 14:42:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=coinbase.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=t6DMgBa+IQ+p59SKzN+rTklHoK+UZVfX3X5eQ5mjgSU=; b=fBWlitvYBTLGsFOWqjt3uL7MpmhYL1Yqemy1ppCKjY3MuDWQAwTC9u+81goDuw8Ruh AR4oX/4GL341TyDCWa1rvKAss6G41cP3WR20D+DfbK9VZKO6f+Pz8KorrNu6j4lETwdA h7tQvf6DjWXfZrUsgX2VhLRMBPfjj7eV7tMnM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=t6DMgBa+IQ+p59SKzN+rTklHoK+UZVfX3X5eQ5mjgSU=; b=YPSE7h0NgUM/34DHmOnr+SnCM54yiJShHX4a69pfyK8RpPZSi/J2HqNmJ4wzWgTmLD 5R4HIFzRNoen9X6xCjpXNvf/5ZjARK8L7iWGFmLcUGAC41bmDFU4LRvNCMVAgdR4sirB vqRpfluKdUlFCTRAdkC6DfiIpOjnU3bPMFzFSR3t62ZzHrqllFrz9lzbK8ThSwvIyaFC oBLig05t93oIxzex+upnKk87AmTwJafoLOcskND18/4YSL48n1hFDnOkCFWAep28/Qs1 2IsFSS+PSRW8+hYXDphjZ9u0OJAiRMmK1BRd35DQqEX1QC2ad3H5MpvPWCat2yemh/AE TEGA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAubfaSB44/9mTw1ysOKsH9ReB3he0SVbUoHav9hko9cHU+CLT6x6 ZL2FmZUaIcmSnrsQ7ac2fEltaL1E9Nh9m+0M+9Y5SQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IanZm5rqjN65J1uGxpzVvbmbyWz4oZtsMwtg4iMIiwnJwCGmyLUwdYgCPoroQ2tlqqHFr57Ot/B95N5RG543vs= X-Received: by 2002:a65:51ca:: with SMTP id i10mr5172796pgq.371.1551307363294; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 14:42:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7cfedb70-a999-ad63-efd0-56a178adde97@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Marius Scurtescu Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 14:42:32 -0800 Message-ID: To: Yaron Sheffer Cc: SecEvent Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000053d2510582e7e419" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 22:42:50 -0000 --00000000000053d2510582e7e419 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Any chance for an answer from the chairs to the 3 questions below? On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 4:52 PM Marius Scurtescu < marius.scurtescu@coinbase.com> wrote: > Regrettable indeed :-( > > Were the recent official launches by Adobe and Google taken into > consideration? > > Is it possible to consult the AD for options? > > Did we consider the implications for the whole working group? > > While the group is indeed at a low point of activity, a lot of work went > into this draft and it is central for real life implementations. > > > > > On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:43 AM Yaron Sheffer > wrote: > >> Dear working group, >> >> We issued a 2-week second last call for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 >> on Jan. 24, and extended it by a further week, which expired on Friday. We >> had to issue a second last call because of lack of response to the first >> last call which took place in November/December. >> >> The results were better in the second try (2 non-authors in support, and >> 1 not clearly supporting publication) but not enough in our mind to push >> the document forward. >> >> This means that we will not be publishing the Push protocol as a working >> group document. The authors are welcome to publish it through other >> channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE. >> >> We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly there is too >> little energy within the working group. We thank the authors for the >> significant effort that they put into this document, and thank the working >> group members who reviewed it. >> >> Regards, >> >> Dick and Yaron >> _______________________________________________ >> Id-event mailing list >> Id-event@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event >> > --00000000000053d2510582e7e419 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any chance for an answer from the chairs to the 3 question= s below?

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 4:52 PM Marius Scurtescu <marius.scurtescu@coinbase.com> wr= ote:
Regrettable indeed :-(

Were the recent official la= unches by Adobe and Google taken into consideration?

Is it possible to consult the AD for options?

D= id we consider the implications for the whole working group?
=
While the group is indeed at a low point of activity, a lot = of work went into this draft and it is central for real life implementation= s.=C2=A0




On Sun, Feb 17, = 2019 at 6:43 AM Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20 =20
Dear working group,

We issued a 2-week second last call for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 on Jan. 24, and extended it by a further week, which expired on Friday. We had to issue a second last call because of lack of response to the first last call which took place in November/December.

The results were better in the second try (2 non-authors in support, and 1 not clearly supporting publication) but not enough in our mind to push the document forward.

This means that we will not be publishing the Push protocol as a working group document. The authors are welcome to publish it through other channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE.

We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly there is too little energy within the working group. We thank the authors for the significant effort that they put into this document, and thank the working group members who reviewed it.

Regards,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dick and Yaron
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 22:58:20 -0000 --000000000000d1129a0582e81ba2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Marius Per my other response, implementations are important, but do not represent rough consensus. Yaron and I have reached out the the AD to get guidance on how to proceed. There is low energy in the WG, the implication is that the WG may be ready to terminate. On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 2:42 PM Marius Scurtescu wrote: > Any chance for an answer from the chairs to the 3 questions below? > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 4:52 PM Marius Scurtescu < > marius.scurtescu@coinbase.com> wrote: > >> Regrettable indeed :-( >> >> Were the recent official launches by Adobe and Google taken into >> consideration? >> >> Is it possible to consult the AD for options? >> >> Did we consider the implications for the whole working group? >> >> While the group is indeed at a low point of activity, a lot of work went >> into this draft and it is central for real life implementations. >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:43 AM Yaron Sheffer >> wrote: >> >>> Dear working group, >>> >>> We issued a 2-week second last call for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 >>> on Jan. 24, and extended it by a further week, which expired on Friday. We >>> had to issue a second last call because of lack of response to the first >>> last call which took place in November/December. >>> >>> The results were better in the second try (2 non-authors in support, and >>> 1 not clearly supporting publication) but not enough in our mind to push >>> the document forward. >>> >>> This means that we will not be publishing the Push protocol as a working >>> group document. The authors are welcome to publish it through other >>> channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE. >>> >>> We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly there is too >>> little energy within the working group. We thank the authors for the >>> significant effort that they put into this document, and thank the working >>> group members who reviewed it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Dick and Yaron >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Id-event mailing list >>> Id-event@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event >>> >> _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > --000000000000d1129a0582e81ba2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Marius

Per my other response, implem= entations are important, but do not represent rough consensus.
Yaron and I have reached out the the AD to get guidance on how= to proceed.

There is low energy in the WG, the im= plication is that the WG may be ready to terminate.=C2=A0



On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 2:42 PM Marius Scurtescu <mari= us.scurtescu=3D40coinbase.= com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Any chance for an answer from the chairs= to the 3 questions below?

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 4:52 PM Marius Scurtescu = <mari= us.scurtescu@coinbase.com> wrote:
Regrettable indeed :-(

Were the recent official launches by Adobe and Google taken into c= onsideration?

Is it possible to consult the AD for= options?

Did we consider the implications for the= whole working group?

While the group is indee= d at a low point of activity, a lot of work went into this draft and it is = central for real life implementations.=C2=A0


<= div>

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:43 AM Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com= > wrote:
=20 =20 =20 =20
Dear working group,

We issued a 2-week second last call for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 on Jan. 24, and extended it by a further week, which expired on Friday. We had to issue a second last call because of lack of response to the first last call which took place in November/December.

The results were better in the second try (2 non-authors in support, and 1 not clearly supporting publication) but not enough in our mind to push the document forward.

This means that we will not be publishing the Push protocol as a working group document. The authors are welcome to publish it through other channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE.

We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly there is too little energy within the working group. We thank the authors for the significant effort that they put into this document, and thank the working group members who reviewed it.

Regards,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dick and Yaron
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