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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 21:10:11 -0000 Dear Yaron Sheffer, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. secevent Session 1 (2:00 requested) Wednesday, 27 March 2019, Morning Session I 0900-1100 Room Name: Berlin/Brussels size: 100 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/sessions/secevent.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Security Events Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Yaron Sheffer Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: saag dispatch oauth tokbind tls acme secdispatch Second Priority: ipsecme sacm ace People who must be present: Yaron Sheffer Dick Hardt Benjamin Kaduk Resources Requested: Special Requests: Please avoid conflict with CFRG --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Mar 6 07:35:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DED91277DB for ; 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Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:35:14 -0500 Received: from prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com ([172.27.118.250]) by prod-mail-ppoint1.akamai.com with ESMTP id 2qyp20t6fu-1; Wed, 06 Mar 2019 10:35:14 -0500 Received: from bos-lpczi.kendall.corp.akamai.com (bos-lpczi.kendall.corp.akamai.com [172.19.17.86]) by prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C39C1FC71; Wed, 6 Mar 2019 15:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bkaduk by bos-lpczi.kendall.corp.akamai.com with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1h1YZd-00089C-HO; Wed, 06 Mar 2019 09:35:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 09:35:13 -0600 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: SecEvent Cc: Marius Scurtescu , Yaron Sheffer , Dick Hardt Message-ID: <20190306153513.GM10233@akamai.com> References: <7cfedb70-a999-ad63-efd0-56a178adde97@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-03-06_10:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1903060107 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-03-06_10:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1903060107 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2019 15:35:20 -0000 Hi everyone, I think that Dick and Yaron are correct to determine that this document doesn't have WG consensus (rough or otherwise) to advance at this time. That, of course, can change given additional inputs. I'll note that the WGLC period is not a formal requirement of the process, but rather more of a conventional tool that WG chairs use to determine WG consensus. In the KITTEN WG (that I chaired for a few years), which is a very low-energy group, we've largely distanced ourselves from WGLC in favor of a more rolling period where input comes in. Regardless of how they get it, the chairs still need reason to believe that there is a critical mass of support in the WG for the work, and that all known technical issues have been addressed in some way (whether technical changes in the document or through subsequent discussion to determine it is not an issue/out of scope/not the direction the WG wants to go/etc.) Historical interest and engagement of the kind that Annabelle points out can factor into this decision, but it's also the case that in order to advance, the current document needs WG consensus, and consensus that some previous version was "pointed in the right direction" isn't quite the same. I agree with Mike that I hope this inability to make a determination of consensus can be a wake-up call that we need greater participation in order to proceed. I think at this point there's a few possible paths including but not limited to: 1) get another couple positive reviews from people who are informed in the space (whether by following the work along the way or otherwise), and finish addressing the comments Phil raised during WGLC. I know that they are rooted in a longstanding philosophical disagreement, but Phil is correct to raise them one last time during WGLC, and the conclusion of WGLC^W^W^Wdetermination of WG rough consensus involves the chairs being confident on the technical resolution to those issues. [0] It's much easier for the chairs to do that when there's a contervailing writeup presented right next to the issues that were raised. 2) Not get more reviews, and have some discussion that concludes that the previous energy for push has evaporated, which would require the shared content with pull to be pulled [sic] back into the pull document before that could advance. (Yes, that would be unpleasant and duplicate work that's already been done. Nobody said this was a great option.) 3) Have some discussion that concludes that the WG just doesn't have enough energy to work on any of its remaining chartered items (i.e., event delivery), in which case it would be appropriate to close the WG. >From this list, there seems a clear "best outcome", but we'll need some help from the WG participants to make it happen. It might be worth getting some "survey results" about who is still interested in working on what, to help the chairs gauge the best path forward. -Ben [0] BTW, Phil would also be justified in raising the questions again during IETF LC, but it's generally considered best to only do that in the case when the broader IETF community would be unaware of the previous discussions and is believed to not be considering the topic without additional intervention. IMO, having the controversy properly discussed in the shepherd writeup would probably fill that need, but Phil and everyone else should use their own judgement. On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 02:58:01PM -0800, Dick Hardt wrote: > Hi Marius > > Per my other response, implementations are important, but do not represent > rough consensus. > > Yaron and I have reached out the the AD to get guidance on how to proceed. > > There is low energy in the WG, the implication is that the WG may be ready > to terminate. > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 2:42 PM Marius Scurtescu 40coinbase.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > Any chance for an answer from the chairs to the 3 questions below? > > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 4:52 PM Marius Scurtescu < > > marius.scurtescu@coinbase.com> wrote: > > > >> Regrettable indeed :-( > >> > >> Were the recent official launches by Adobe and Google taken into > >> consideration? > >> > >> Is it possible to consult the AD for options? > >> > >> Did we consider the implications for the whole working group? > >> > >> While the group is indeed at a low point of activity, a lot of work went > >> into this draft and it is central for real life implementations. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:43 AM Yaron Sheffer > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Dear working group, > >>> > >>> We issued a 2-week second last call for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 > >>> on Jan. 24, and extended it by a further week, which expired on Friday. We > >>> had to issue a second last call because of lack of response to the first > >>> last call which took place in November/December. > >>> > >>> The results were better in the second try (2 non-authors in support, and > >>> 1 not clearly supporting publication) but not enough in our mind to push > >>> the document forward. > >>> > >>> This means that we will not be publishing the Push protocol as a working > >>> group document. The authors are welcome to publish it through other > >>> channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE. > >>> > >>> We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly there is too > >>> little energy within the working group. We thank the authors for the > >>> significant effort that they put into this document, and thank the working > >>> group members who reviewed it. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Dick and Yaron > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Id-event mailing list > >>> Id-event@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > > Id-event mailing list > > Id-event@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > > > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event From nobody Sat Mar 9 09:45:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95B8130EC3 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 09:45:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MW2PR00MB0316 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 17:47:48 -0000 I just send my (belated) review of the push draft. Sorry for the delay on = my part. I plan to solicit more reviews from additional working group memb= ers in the time leading up to and during Prague. -- Mike -----Original Message----- From: Id-event On Behalf Of Benjamin Kaduk Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2019 7:35 AM To: SecEvent Cc: Yaron Sheffer ; Marius Scurtescu ; Dick Hardt Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push draft: conclusion of WGLC Hi everyone, I think that Dick and Yaron are correct to determine that this document doe= sn't have WG consensus (rough or otherwise) to advance at this time. That, of course, can change given additional inputs. I'll note that the WGLC period is not a formal requirement of the process, = but rather more of a conventional tool that WG chairs use to determine WG c= onsensus. In the KITTEN WG (that I chaired for a few years), which is a ve= ry low-energy group, we've largely distanced ourselves from WGLC in favor o= f a more rolling period where input comes in. Regardless of how they get i= t, the chairs still need reason to believe that there is a critical mass of= support in the WG for the work, and that all known technical issues have b= een addressed in some way (whether technical changes in the document or thr= ough subsequent discussion to determine it is not an issue/out of scope/not= the direction the WG wants to go/etc.) Historical interest and engagement= of the kind that Annabelle points out can factor into this decision, but i= t's also the case that in order to advance, the current document needs WG c= onsensus, and consensus that some previous version was "pointed in the righ= t direction" isn't quite the same. I agree with Mike that I hope this inability to make a determination of con= sensus can be a wake-up call that we need greater participation in order to= proceed. I think at this point there's a few possible paths including but not limite= d to: 1) get another couple positive reviews from people who are informed in the = space (whether by following the work along the way or otherwise), and finis= h addressing the comments Phil raised during WGLC. I know that they are ro= oted in a longstanding philosophical disagreement, but Phil is correct to r= aise them one last time during WGLC, and the conclusion of WGLC^W^W^Wdeterm= ination of WG rough consensus involves the chairs being confident on the te= chnical resolution to those issues. [0] It's much easier for the chairs to= do that when there's a contervailing writeup presented right next to the i= ssues that were raised. 2) Not get more reviews, and have some discussion that concludes that the p= revious energy for push has evaporated, which would require the shared cont= ent with pull to be pulled [sic] back into the pull document before that co= uld advance. (Yes, that would be unpleasant and duplicate work that's alre= ady been done. Nobody said this was a great option.) 3) Have some discussion that concludes that the WG just doesn't have enough= energy to work on any of its remaining chartered items (i.e., event delive= ry), in which case it would be appropriate to close the WG. >From this list, there seems a clear "best outcome", but we'll need some=20 >help from the WG participants to make it happen. It might be worth getting some "sur= vey results" about who is still interested in working on what, to help the = chairs gauge the best path forward. -Ben [0] BTW, Phil would also be justified in raising the questions again during= IETF LC, but it's generally considered best to only do that in the case wh= en the broader IETF community would be unaware of the previous discussions = and is believed to not be considering the topic without additional interven= tion. IMO, having the controversy properly discussed in the shepherd write= up would probably fill that need, but Phil and everyone else should use the= ir own judgement. On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 02:58:01PM -0800, Dick Hardt wrote: > Hi Marius >=20 > Per my other response, implementations are important, but do not=20 > represent rough consensus. >=20 > Yaron and I have reached out the the AD to get guidance on how to proceed= . >=20 > There is low energy in the WG, the implication is that the WG may be=20 > ready to terminate. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 2:42 PM Marius Scurtescu 40coinbase.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >=20 > > Any chance for an answer from the chairs to the 3 questions below? > > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 4:52 PM Marius Scurtescu <=20 > > marius.scurtescu@coinbase.com> wrote: > > > >> Regrettable indeed :-( > >> > >> Were the recent official launches by Adobe and Google taken into=20 > >> consideration? > >> > >> Is it possible to consult the AD for options? > >> > >> Did we consider the implications for the whole working group? > >> > >> While the group is indeed at a low point of activity, a lot of work=20 > >> went into this draft and it is central for real life implementations. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:43 AM Yaron Sheffer=20 > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Dear working group, > >>> > >>> We issued a 2-week second last call for=20 > >>> draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 on Jan. 24, and extended it by a=20 > >>> further week, which expired on Friday. We had to issue a second=20 > >>> last call because of lack of response to the first last call which to= ok place in November/December. > >>> > >>> The results were better in the second try (2 non-authors in=20 > >>> support, and > >>> 1 not clearly supporting publication) but not enough in our mind=20 > >>> to push the document forward. > >>> > >>> This means that we will not be publishing the Push protocol as a=20 > >>> working group document. The authors are welcome to publish it=20 > >>> through other channels, as an AD-sposored RFC or through the ISE. > >>> > >>> We regret that we have reached this impasse, but clearly there is=20 > >>> too little energy within the working group. We thank the authors=20 > >>> for the significant effort that they put into this document, and=20 > >>> thank the working group members who reviewed it. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Dick and Yaron > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Id-event mailing list > >>> Id-event@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > > Id-event mailing list > > Id-event@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > > > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event _______________________________________________ Id-event mailing list Id-event@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event From nobody Sun Mar 10 19:39:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF31127918; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:39:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: id-event@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.93.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: id-event@ietf.org Message-ID: <155227197472.31119.5078293044048248937@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:39:34 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] I-D Action: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-02.txt X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 02:39:35 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Security Events WG of the IETF. Title : Poll-Based Security Event Token (SET) Delivery Using HTTP Authors : Annabelle Backman Michael B. Jones Marius Scurtescu Morteza Ansari Anthony Nadalin Filename : draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-02.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2019-03-10 Abstract: This specification defines how a series of Security Event Tokens (SETs) may be delivered to an intended recipient using HTTP POST over TLS initiated as a poll by the recipient. The specification also defines how delivery can be assured, subject to the SET Recipient's need for assurance. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 03:34:07 -0000 --_000_BL0PR00MB0292ABA358E174B74D4D37EFF5480BL0PR00MB0292namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd updated the SET poll delivery spec in preparation for our working group= meeting in Prague. Most of the changes were to address vestiges of text l= eftover from the common delivery spec that no longer made sense in the poll= spec. Details of the changes as recorded in the changelog are: * Removed vestigial language remaining from when the push and poll deli= very methods were defined in a common specification. * Replaced remaining uses of the terms Event Transmitter and Event Reci= pient with the correct terms SET Transmitter and SET Recipient. * Removed uses of the unnecessary term "Event Stream". * Removed dependencies between the semantics of maxEvents and returnImm= ediately. * Said that PII in SETs is to be encrypted with TLS, JWE, or both. * Corrected grammar and spelling errors. The specification is available at: * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-0= 2 An HTML-formatted version is also available at: * http://self-issued.info/docs/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-02.html -- Mike --_000_BL0PR00MB0292ABA358E174B74D4D37EFF5480BL0PR00MB0292namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’d updated the SET poll delivery spec in prep= aration for our working group meeting in Prague.  Most of the changes = were to address vestiges of text leftover from the common delivery spec tha= t no longer made sense in the poll spec.  Details of the changes as recorded in the changelog are:

  • Removed vestigial language remaining from when the push and poll deli= very methods were defined in a common specification.
  • Replaced remaining uses of the terms Event Transmitte= r and Event Recipient with the correct terms SET Transmitter and SET Recipi= ent.
  • Removed uses of the unnecessary term "Event Stre= am".
  • Removed dependencies between the semantics of maxEven= ts and returnImmediately.
  • Said that PII in SETs is to be encrypted with TLS, JW= E, or both.
  • Corrected grammar and spelling errors.

 

The specification is available at:

 

An HTML-formatted version is also available at:=

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;             =         -- Mike

 

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 18:41:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Security Events WG of the IETF. Title : Push-Based Security Event Token (SET) Delivery Using HTTP Authors : Annabelle Backman Michael B. Jones Marius Scurtescu Morteza Ansari Anthony Nadalin Filename : draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2019-03-11 Abstract: This specification defines how a Security Event Token (SET) may be delivered to an intended recipient using HTTP POST. The SET is transmitted in the body of an HTTP POST request to an endpoint operated by the recipient, and the recipient indicates successful or failed transmission via the HTTP response. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:57:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Security Events WG of the IETF. Title : Subject Identifiers for Security Event Tokens Authors : Annabelle Backman Marius Scurtescu Filename : draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers-03.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2019-03-11 Abstract: Security events communicated within Security Event Tokens may support a variety of identifiers to identify the subject and/or other principals related to the event. This specification formalizes the notion of subject identifiers as named sets of well-defined claims describing the subject, a mechanism for representing subject identifiers within a [JSON] object such as a JSON Web Token [JWT] or Security Event Token [SET], and a registry for defining and allocating names for these claim sets. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 22:18:53 -0000 --_000_BL0PR00MB02922856A31E0CBDF577BEBDF5490BL0PR00MB0292namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See http://self-issued.info/?p=3D1961 and @selfissued. The post describes both the spec updates and recent deployment= s for Risk and Incident Sharing and Coordination (RISC). -- Mike --_000_BL0PR00MB02922856A31E0CBDF577BEBDF5490BL0PR00MB0292namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

See ht= tp://self-issued.info/?p=3D1961 and @selfissued.  The post = describes both the spec updates and recent deployments for  Risk and Incident Sharing and Coordination (R= ISC).

 

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Hi,


We will be meeting next Wednesday in Prague. The agenda is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/agenda-104-secevent-00


Please let me know if you have any comments. Specifically, authors of the Push Delivery draft, please let me know if you'd like a slot to present changes since Bangkok. This is independent of the bigger discussion of "how do we get this draft published".


Thanks,

    Yaron

From nobody Mon Mar 25 05:59:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3539512047C for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:59:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=pingidentity.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PgPXfhiiTa2Z for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it1-x12b.google.com (mail-it1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3AE2120452 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id y63so2018933itb.5 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:59:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pingidentity.com; s=gmail; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=bWx6Dcw2fVs7NFgfvVRPNsO4CvCGrfzAy5T9NqHow9Q=; b=m2+rZZ8ra1xJW0fJHNFnsA8UsB2Pe7WGhpagR+JUl2SZ8f8WE/CXyWIIsCUPa0++bd XPQaj7b3sOCiHi3CbbRM/H9dCN8dxGfY7ryHFeTgyUYGiXKJs+pBWOnSgXoOekaDOI4l 90ryq8G6p0iItVq5PLfK1OVJ+UBlNmXIlgmMk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bWx6Dcw2fVs7NFgfvVRPNsO4CvCGrfzAy5T9NqHow9Q=; b=k0Cp+O8hT4E7zCUYMxHzT9cJbQvfYp9/k3QcblTh5WsvEtT8K+0sHU9TaBUHNQdZWQ sikqnOFZJWYKvFP8cZRXaA0P6n2axCfvLjb7B3XMvm/4Ir2dzvx2WoMVk2/wy1UVRzVE 4zFdouR3m0wfbxC7xyQrnDwwhuWtKGG9SsYKkdSyzkrnzd3fZtTXghNeKIg8fcrGtCtu uWUsaVD3PAwEZbJ/gmeVFoYmzSrtFaxY6NSclAs4HGr3JJaKQyxcOfuo5qN0rBnQ4BQW YMKzqWFuZyykJt4Fdc8CtPxdlDam7uKKA0IBWioPU1KDYeT7OSRhFuUTIfHF/q8WOE3o 4LHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVgI/3mb1SiH3kVM3Gxtep3Jb/p1X2uKvcCA53BnUM8pcU7d0Eb Ct7u1MieWqBf/C25w0FcdXPqL6HobqFEsCK5CYxulcqjoFu2iz4kFpVvl0d9GMp/GgDtbxaBgIE 0otZ4mfsr7G8FOfpWug== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw1g3naq1/8Z7hCg07a9eHN33+KJ9VNCER77tcXr2/IriDhzclP7ncUCZKZvmiaxbcS2RchPrf7ou44f8CqQy4= X-Received: by 2002:a24:c906:: with SMTP id h6mr7865060itg.45.1553518756841; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:59:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <155233425224.23102.17382771448465382026@ietfa.amsl.com> <7BE600FD-F838-45E2-A8C1-0BB13D96BB9C@amazon.com> In-Reply-To: <7BE600FD-F838-45E2-A8C1-0BB13D96BB9C@amazon.com> From: Brian Campbell Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 06:58:51 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Richard Backman, Annabelle" Cc: "id-event@ietf.org" , "i-d-announce@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a76e470584eac5fd" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] I-D Action: draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers-03.txt X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:59:23 -0000 --000000000000a76e470584eac5fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/id-event/Xipj4J3umYa2EnGBU2Q0dUM-Xy8 was a question about the JWT claim name or lack thereof in draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers -02 that didn't garner any response but I still think warrants some treatment in the document. On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 2:04 PM Richard Backman, Annabelle wrote: > Hello all, > > This update includes changes discussed at IETF 103, and on list since > then. The change log for -02 to -03 is: > > Draft 03 - AB: > > o Added "account" type for "acct" URIs. > > o Replaced "id-token-claims" type with "aliases" type. > > o Added email canonicalization guidance. > > o Updated semantics for "email", "phone", and "iss-sub" types. > > -- > Annabelle Richard Backman > AWS Identity > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 3/11/19, 12:58 PM, "Id-event on behalf of internet-drafts@iet= f.org" < > id-event-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Security Events WG of the IETF. > > Title : Subject Identifiers for Security Event Toke= ns > Authors : Annabelle Backman > Marius Scurtescu > Filename : draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers-03.txt > Pages : 11 > Date : 2019-03-11 > > Abstract: > Security events communicated within Security Event Tokens may > support > a variety of identifiers to identify the subject and/or other > principals related to the event. This specification formalizes th= e > notion of subject identifiers as named sets of well-defined claims > describing the subject, a mechanism for representing subject > identifiers within a [JSON] object such as a JSON Web Token [JWT] = or > Security Event Token [SET], and a registry for defining and > allocating names for these claim sets. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers-0= 3 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identif= iers-03 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifie= rs-03 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > > > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > --=20 _CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email may contain confidential and privileged= =20 material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use,=20 distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited.=C2=A0 If you h= ave=20 received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately= =20 by e-mail and delete the message and any file attachments from your=20 computer. Thank you._ --000000000000a76e470584eac5fd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/id-event/Xipj4J= 3umYa2EnGBU2Q0dUM-Xy8 was a question about the JWT claim name or lack t= hereof in draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers -02 that didn't garne= r any response but I still think warrants some treatment in the document. <= br>

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 2:04 PM Richard Backman,= Annabelle <richanna=3D40= amazon.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Hello all,

This update includes changes discussed at IETF 103, and on list since then.= =C2=A0 The change log for -02 to -03 is:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Draft 03 - AB:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 Added "account" type for "acct" UR= Is.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 Replaced "id-token-claims" type with "a= liases" type.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 Added email canonicalization guidance.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 Updated semantics for "email", "phone&q= uot;, and "iss-sub" types.

--
Annabelle Richard Backman
AWS Identity


=EF=BB=BFOn 3/11/19, 12:58 PM, "Id-event on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org&= quot; <id= -event-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-D= rafts directories.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This draft is a work item of the Security Events WG of the IE= TF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Subject Identifiers for Security Event Tokens
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0: Annabelle Backman
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Marius Scurtescu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-secevent-subject-identifiers-03.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 11
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2019-03-11

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Security events communicated within Security Eve= nt Tokens may support
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0a variety of identifiers to identify the subject= and/or other
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0principals related to the event.=C2=A0 This spec= ification formalizes the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0notion of subject identifiers as named sets of w= ell-defined claims
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0describing the subject, a mechanism for represen= ting subject
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0identifiers within a [JSON] object such as a JSO= N Web Token [JWT] or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Security Event Token [SET], and a registry for d= efining and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0allocating names for these claim sets.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers/

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are also htmlized versions available at:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers-03
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https:= //datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers-03<= /a>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 A diff from the previous version is available at:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://= www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers-03<= br>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the tim= e of submission
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.= org.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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Hi,


I have uploaded the minutes: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/minutes-104-secevent-00


Please let me know if you have any comments.


Thank you Peter for taking notes!


Everybody, please take some time to read the Push document and send a review. If you've read it a recent version and have not commented publicly, please send a quick note to the list with your approval.


Thanks,

    Yaron

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Mac OS X 10.11; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05 X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 10:54:16 -0000 Hi id-event, Read through draft 05, and here's some of my findings. With the disclaimer that I am not fully aware of the historical discussions that led to this draft. - Section 2.0 mentions: "Once a SET has been validated and persisted, the SET Recipient SHOULD immediately return a response ..."; there's a bit of a gap on what to do when the SET was validated but failed to persist. The errors don't (and probably shouldn't?) cover this, as this might be considered business logic on the recipient's part? Section 2.2 talks about "appropriate retention requirements", which is nicely formulated. This type of wording might be also snuck in to the language of section 2.0's paragraph ("Once the SET has been validated and persisted ..") - Is the `description` field in the error response REQUIRED? - Is there a reason why the `authentication_failed` failure response should not return a HTTP/401 Unauthorized HTTP status code? - Section 5.1 talks about the SET Issuer being authorized to deliver the SET; should this not be the SET Transmitter? - Section 5.4 on authenticating persisted SETs; Not sure if I understood this correctly, but if a SET Transmitter can send a SET that was issued by a different SET Issuer, how would the signature verification key be resolved to authenticate the SET? 5.4 talks about the SET *Transmitter* signing the SET, should this not be the SET *Issuer*? Or is this out of scope? Nitpicks: - The sentence above the examples (e.g. in section 2.2) should always end with a colon ':' ("The following is ... a SET:"), or end with a period '.'. Don't care which, but looks nicer if it's the same everywhere. I think only 2.2 falls out of line. - The text above Figure 5 says "SET Receiver", should be "SET Recipient" Hope this helps to wrap it up to publication :) -- Regards, Mark Dobrinic Software Engineer and Identity Specialist Curity AB mark.dobrinic@curity.io www.curity.io From nobody Wed Mar 27 08:38:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2C4120278 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 01:34:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=ve7jtb-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qkIkOpGS2v0u for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 01:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x344.google.com (mail-wm1-x344.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::344]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD46F120273 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 01:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x344.google.com with SMTP id q16so15225252wmj.3 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 01:34:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ve7jtb-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=KUs4PFHV4Z/zNTflrRxBkL8wr1hayZM/7hP4pySmww0=; b=nnxqhYIGNddiwbiIOziMkfi/FGhpgUpGr4gWLDEf8TJjlPXNPMtDKTBZyqBDb/fF1n WU601dcef0dFEgvuM+odqPDUSTqo5mRKTrR6t0wcRNkeSPwhYIXSJYxBbc7V1pVeuN8d N7dcrU30CTznK05ssBV+HuzRFR/QUpauFzpWVb8IBa2Z3SodHHN45ocgKl0SZ3wd3Nbt z0fe9043VnBp+wZ4X6BGCYrj+rg8l5abYSlEzwqYb3gxOaVAnarWe5Nut8pbysPiFC+W df9POovIJschvaSOxpKpEPqO9fe6KfKxbcZx7zy3UXthmEgtr12HBeI7im5cAn1+WIBO nO+Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KUs4PFHV4Z/zNTflrRxBkL8wr1hayZM/7hP4pySmww0=; b=Kx98c+EaBwvEESSAAMnrubqZj6KnbUFae3b1gQ6uuQVhNhh2kNtEtV5M4CaLMI9pZS X5g3uVR1Y3azWT9s207X1nU6sd2t8CatuGLmLaTJz4q0iTPAanGD9J7xkMrIn4xZMYPw rM921uTD7CEAeIcQ5yNpUOW43qqDtklOo16ST0aMNWDuYOisIO2U3ZQ0Bt0wDLzR+Ica GrfJcxUU+mIoNVg/5V/l3rzOl1APPk71e4AniRP2Y8TemCK7K1cdl8XAwyrNRxJ4f5sc wa0toHGX8U3fe4Em7gYQOGELIDVAjn2gZRT18FaoWjC6PqNOhHufrk7owFv7cb0IuMcH kazQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVLacR1SdMOPNr3fFTFUSOUohga9FJophwlz+PYh4ZiQptBdBgM mgFWjIGfs0jIApBSa77NBfdSiRmZZlYB+BA+ixGaNA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyvWbIQ3xy8fbxqRa5FEFHPkUYAUhrQ6AU65jvj4DtW+CmiKObFybTnQ6VbCIzM9sqAAqSYgrexYiRJd0uULFo= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:2d91:: with SMTP id t139mr18623517wmt.102.1553675691764; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 01:34:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4C82F80F-74ED-4EA0-AE47-0A4D8DB40A43@amazon.com> <933153f4-e3a2-73ba-3165-6f1ebd28f4d7@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: John Bradley Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 09:34:39 +0100 Message-ID: To: Marius Scurtescu Cc: Yaron Sheffer , Anthony Nadalin , "Richard Backman, Annabelle" , "Morteza Ansari (moransar)" , Mike Jones , Marius Scurtescu , Phil Hunt , SecEvent , Dick Hardt Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b443a405850f4fbe" Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 08:38:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Id-event] Push Delivery: working group last call X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 08:34:57 -0000 --000000000000b443a405850f4fbe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 7:43 PM Marius Scurtescu wrote: > I support the publication of this document, with the changes suggested by > Yaron Shefer and Annabelle Richard Backman.. > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:04 PM Yaron Sheffer > wrote: > >> Thanks for the quick response! A few comments inline. >> >> On 25/01/2019 22:18, Richard Backman, Annabelle wrote: >> > Thanks for the feedback! Responses inline. >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Annabelle Richard Backman >> > >> > AWS Identity >> > >> > =EF=BB=BFOn 1/25/19, 9:59 AM, "Id-event on behalf of Yaron Sheffer" >> > > > wrote: >> > >> > The document looks good. Here's a bunch o' comments. >> > >> > * Intro: receipt->recipient >> > >> > [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna] >> > >> > * "The transmitter and recipient are known to one another." But >> > then we >> > >> > require the *issuer* to be authenticated by the Recipient. We nee= d >> to >> > >> > clarify the relationship between Issuer (defined in the base spec= ) >> and >> > >> > Transmitter. BTW, Issuer should be capitalized. >> > >> > [richanna] >> > >> > The intent of that sentence is to indicate that the spec assumes the >> > Transmitter already knows who it needs to transmit the SET to, and the >> > Recipient knows who it expects to receive SETs from, and that discover= y >> > of either is out of scope. >> > >> > You=E2=80=99re absolutely right. Section 2 is missing a validation ste= p: =E2=80=9CThe >> > SET Recipient is willing to accept the SET, when transmitted by the SE= T >> > Transmitter.=E2=80=9D Also, we can add text to the definition of SET >> Transmitter >> > to clarify that it need not be the Issuer of the SET. >> > >> > [/richanna] >> > >> > * "a decryption failure that may be due to misconfigured keys" - >> > this is >> > >> > a strange reason for retransmission, because it would normally >> > require a >> > >> > very slow manual operation, which could easily overwhelm the >> > Transmitter. >> > >> > [richanna] >> > >> > I had in mind issues or delays with key propagation after a rotation, >> > premature rejection of an outgoing key due to clock skew, intermittent >> > failure when retrieving a Transmitter=E2=80=99s public key, etc. These= are >> > issues that may (depending on root cause) work themselves out after a >> > few minutes, though I suppose they are not properly =E2=80=9Cmisconfig= ured >> > keys.=E2=80=9D This example is probably just muddying the waters witho= ut >> > contributing much to the text. >> > >> > [/richanna] >> > >> > * "Transmitting a SET": if the normal response has an empty body, >> > why do >> > >> > we send "Accept: application/json"? The Accept header is not >> > mandatory, >> > >> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-5.3.2 >> > >> > [richanna] >> > >> > Error responses will contain a JSON-formatted body, which the >> > Transmitter MUST be prepared to accept. >> > >> > [/richanna] >> >> YS: I still think the Accept header is redundant (in particular because >> if you cannot understand JSON, you cannot use this protocol at all), but >> I can live with it. >> >> > >> > * "Failure Response": why is responding with the right HTTP statu= s >> > code >> > >> > a MAY? What else do we expect them to do? >> > >> > [richanna] >> > >> > As I understand it, HTTP Servers have some discretion with regards to >> > which status codes they respond with in certain situations. The =E2=80= =9Cright >> > HTTP status code=E2=80=9D can be subjective, and may change over time = as new >> > status codes are defined for specific cases. SET Transmitters need to >> be >> > prepared to receive standard HTTP status codes, but I don=E2=80=99t se= e a >> reason >> > to impose more requirements on the SET Recipient in this area than HTT= P >> > itself does. >> > >> > [/richanna] >> > >> >> YS: I agree with everything you say, but still, this would be more >> correct: "the SET Recipient SHOULD respond with an appropriate HTTP >> Status Code", even if the "appropriate" code is very fuzzy. Or else, >> let's remove the RFC 2119 word: "the Recipient responds". >> >> > * "the SET Transmitter is not permitted to transmit SETs issued b= y >> the >> > >> > issuer specified in the SET" - I suggest to change the text to >> > indicate >> > >> > this is from the point of view of the Recipient: "the Recipient i= s >> not >> > >> > willing to accept SETs issued by the specified issuer from this >> > >> > particular SET Transmitter". >> > >> > [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna] >> > >> > * Error codes: what if the Recipient expects the SET to be >> protected >> > >> > (e.g. signed) but it is not? Is this "authentication_failed"? >> > >> > [richanna] >> > >> > SET signatures authenticate the Issuer, not the Transmitter, so >> > `authentication_failed` would be inappropriate. The Recipient should >> > return `access_denied` as it is unwilling to accept this SET from this >> > Transmitter. Now I=E2=80=99m actually wondering if there is a differen= ce >> between >> > `invalid_request` and `access_denied` that is meaningful at runtime. >> > I=E2=80=99ll start a thread on this. >> > >> > [/richanna] >> > >> > * "MUST support TLS 1.2" - we should allow for a future where TLS >> > >> > 1.3-only is acceptable. So, "MUST support TLS 1.2 or later". >> > >> > [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna] >> > >> > * IANA: the Expert Review policy requires a designated expert, >> > >> > obviously. Since this is the only SecEvent registry that needs it >> so >> > >> > far, I'd rather go for the simpler FCFS policy. >> > >> > [richanna] >> > >> > =F0=9F=91=8D, though I think we should add text to the effect of =E2= =80=9CError Codes are >> > intended to be interpreted by automated systems, and therefore SHOULD >> > identify classes of errors in response to which an automated system >> > could take some distinct action.=E2=80=9D >> > >> > [/richanna] >> >> YS: guidance is always good. >> >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Yaron >> > >> > On 24/01/2019 20:11, Dick Hardt wrote: >> > >> > > Dear SecEvent participants, >> > >> > > >> > >> > > This is to start a 2-week working group last call >> > >> > > on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04 >> > >> > > >> > >> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > until Feb 8, 2019. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Please send any comments to the list. In addition, if you have = no >> > >> > > comments but support publication of this document as-is, please >> > >> > > make your voice heard. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Thanks, >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Dick and Yaron >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Id-event mailing list >> > >> > Id-event@ietf.org >> > >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Id-event mailing list >> Id-event@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event >> > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > --000000000000b443a405850f4fbe Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 7:43 PM Marius Scurtescu <mariu= s.scurtescu=3D40coinbase.c= om@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
I support the publication of this document,= with the changes suggested by Yaron Shefer and Annabelle Richard Backman..=

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:04 PM Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Thanks for the quick response! A few comments inline.

On 25/01/2019 22:18, Richard Backman, Annabelle wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback! Responses inline.
>
> --
>
> Annabelle Richard Backman
>
> AWS Identity
>
> =EF=BB=BFOn 1/25/19, 9:59 AM, "Id-event on behalf of Yaron Sheffe= r"
> <id-event-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of yaronf.ietf@= gmail.com> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The document looks good. Here's a bunch o= ' comments.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0* Intro: receipt->recipient
>
> [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna]
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * "The transmitter and recipient are kno= wn to one another." But
> then we
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0require the *issuer* to be authenticated= by the Recipient. We need to
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0clarify the relationship between Issuer = (defined in the base spec) and
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Transmitter. BTW, Issuer should be capit= alized.
>
> [richanna]
>
> The intent of that sentence is to indicate that the spec assumes the <= br> > Transmitter already knows who it needs to transmit the SET to, and the=
> Recipient knows who it expects to receive SETs from, and that discover= y
> of either is out of scope.
>
> You=E2=80=99re absolutely right. Section 2 is missing a validation ste= p: =E2=80=9CThe
> SET Recipient is willing to accept the SET, when transmitted by the SE= T
> Transmitter.=E2=80=9D Also, we can add text to the definition of SET T= ransmitter
> to clarify that it need not be the Issuer of the SET.
>
> [/richanna]
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * "a decryption failure that may be due = to misconfigured keys" -
> this is
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0a strange reason for retransmission, bec= ause it would normally
> require a
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0very slow manual operation, which could = easily overwhelm the
> Transmitter.
>
> [richanna]
>
> I had in mind issues or delays with key propagation after a rotation, =
> premature rejection of an outgoing key due to clock skew, intermittent=
> failure when retrieving a Transmitter=E2=80=99s public key, etc. These= are
> issues that may (depending on root cause) work themselves out after a =
> few minutes, though I suppose they are not properly =E2=80=9Cmisconfig= ured
> keys.=E2=80=9D This example is probably just muddying the waters witho= ut
> contributing much to the text.
>
> [/richanna]
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * "Transmitting a SET": if the norm= al response has an empty body,
> why do
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0we send "Accept: application/json&q= uot;? The Accept header is not
> mandatory,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0https= ://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-5.3.2
>
> [richanna]
>
> Error responses will contain a JSON-formatted body, which the
> Transmitter MUST be prepared to accept.
>
> [/richanna]

YS: I still think the Accept header is redundant (in particular because if you cannot understand JSON, you cannot use this protocol at all), but I can live with it.

>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0* "Failure Response": why is r= esponding with the right HTTP status
> code
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0a MAY? What else do we expect them to do= ?
>
> [richanna]
>
> As I understand it, HTTP Servers have some discretion with regards to =
> which status codes they respond with in certain situations. The =E2=80= =9Cright
> HTTP status code=E2=80=9D can be subjective, and may change over time = as new
> status codes are defined for specific cases. SET Transmitters need to = be
> prepared to receive standard HTTP status codes, but I don=E2=80=99t se= e a reason
> to impose more requirements on the SET Recipient in this area than HTT= P
> itself does.
>
> [/richanna]
>

YS: I agree with everything you say, but still, this would be more
correct: "the SET Recipient SHOULD respond with an appropriate HTTP Status Code", even if the "appropriate" code is very fuzzy. = Or else,
let's remove the RFC 2119 word: "the Recipient responds".

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * "the SET Transmitter is not permitted = to transmit SETs issued by the
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0issuer specified in the SET" - I su= ggest to change the text to
> indicate
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0this is from the point of view of the Re= cipient: "the Recipient is not
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0willing to accept SETs issued by the spe= cified issuer from this
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0particular SET Transmitter".
>
> [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna]
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * Error codes: what if the Recipient expects = the SET to be protected
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0(e.g. signed) but it is not? Is this &qu= ot;authentication_failed"?
>
> [richanna]
>
> SET signatures authenticate the Issuer, not the Transmitter, so
> `authentication_failed` would be inappropriate. The Recipient should <= br> > return `access_denied` as it is unwilling to accept this SET from this=
> Transmitter. Now I=E2=80=99m actually wondering if there is a differen= ce between
> `invalid_request` and `access_denied` that is meaningful at runtime. <= br> > I=E2=80=99ll start a thread on this.
>
> [/richanna]
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * "MUST support TLS 1.2" - we shoul= d allow for a future where TLS
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01.3-only is acceptable. So, "MUST s= upport TLS 1.2 or later".
>
> [richanna]=F0=9F=91=8D[/richanna]
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * IANA: the Expert Review policy requires a d= esignated expert,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0obviously. Since this is the only SecEve= nt registry that needs it so
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0far, I'd rather go for the simpler F= CFS policy.
>
> [richanna]
>
> =F0=9F=91=8D, though I think we should add text to the effect of =E2= =80=9CError Codes are
> intended to be interpreted by automated systems, and therefore SHOULD =
> identify classes of errors in response to which an automated system > could take some distinct action.=E2=80=9D
>
> [/richanna]

YS: guidance is always good.

>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Thanks,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yaron
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0On 24/01/2019 20:11, Dick Hardt wrote: >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > Dear SecEvent participants,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> This is to start a 2-week working g= roup last call
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-04=
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-pu= sh/
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> until Feb 8, 2019.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> Please send any comments to the lis= t. In addition, if you have no
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> comments but support publication of= this document as-is, please
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> make your voice heard.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> Thanks,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= Dick and Yaron
>
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>
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